Ford Escape: Rear Wiper Motor Repair

In this video we replace a rear wiper motor on the back of a Ford Escape. The vehicle also has a bad rear latch release and the tail gate does not open. -Enjoy!
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[@SouthMainAuto]

My favorite wiper arm puller hands down: *Universal Adjustable Windscreen Wiper Arm Puller* amzn.to/2uyJIXt

[@adamtrombino106]

I'm gonna have to try that 1. I modded an old valve spring compressor that has a hand crank wheel to depress the forcing screw, but it doesn't grab every arm just so. For $38.00, it's worth a shot!

[@chrisjavorski1530]

Just order one, need to replace my Mom's wiper arms next week.

[@klwthe3rd]

I'm always so particular about cleaning all the parts I'm working on that I had to smile when I saw Eric O diligently cleaning the rear glass and each reusable part in this wiper assembly. Also, the professionalism that he utilized by calling the customer to ASK if they wanted to have the actual wiper arm replaced due to the broken lock cover was super awesome. Nobody likes to show up to pick up their car and see parts missing from a job. He takes time to let the customer decide so there's no misunderstanding. I wish my mechanic did that. :-(

[@Micko350]

Kenneth White everything except the wiper arm!

[@ReginaJannie]

Never forget to wipe the 3rd brake light lens & two rear brake lights completed salted over in white as safety bonus. The customer will notice and tip better.

[@AceDublB]

My rear wiper motor seized as well and was drawing over 10 amps and quickly killed battery overnight. Rear wiper motor now disconnected and I can’t start a repair or replacement right now. I read elsewhere that this results in windshield washer pump to cease operation and I confirmed that today but fortunately the front wipers still operate. I can’t have that as winter is here in Ontario. Located a new one now just need a puller to get wiper arm off the motor spindle. WD-40 every day in the interim. This is an excellent video in every respect by a true professional willing to share his considerable skills. I had to do LH rear window hinge as well due to corrosion and the rear latch mechanism. The Ford engineers should be ashamed of their rear hatch mechanical designs.

[@oldcode422]

I unhooked my power supply to the rear wiper on my 2012 Escape and the battery did not continue to drain. Replaced the wiper motor, re-connected the power to it and the next day the battery wouldn’t start the car. Any ideas why would help me out!

[@birderwitch]

Thank you for sharing this video. My Escape back wiper arm seized up a week ago and for some reason was drawing power off the battery - broken switch maybe? All I needed was to find out how to disconnect the power source before getting to my mechanic for replacement. Because of your instructions I was able to take care of it in less than two minutes!

[@redeux]

looks like you got it fixed but for future reference anyone reading this if the wiper motor fails during a cycle then it will not be in a "parked" position. If it is not in a parked position then the motor will continually try to go back to park, but it can't get there so the end result is that it will just continue to drain the battery and the wiper motor itself will run hot. This happens even when the car is off. You can disconnect fuse 19 to temporarily prevent this while waiting to get it fixed though fuse 19 also controls your front windshield spray.

[@bobdeezar6870]

Wondering if it was a switch problem or the motor?

[@bobdeezar6870]

Wondering if you had a switch or motor problem?

[@douglasraymond2718]

The presentation was entertaining and very helpful, thanks! Additional suggestions: -to split the plastic motor clamshell inside the door, a penny is a good tool. Insert and twist. -before popping the plastic cover off the outside I poured hot water on it to soften, then carefully pried the sides apart with two hands before pulling outward. No damage. -The wiper arm can be popped off by squeezing with visegrips if you don’t have a puller. Put a screwdriver blade under the back of the arm, replace the small retaining nut on the threaded shaft end , and squeeze between these two. Alternately squeeze top and bottom of blade arm, many times The blade arm is jammed onto a tapered spline shaft, once cracked loose it slides right off. Do not waste time prying with a screwdriver between the arm and the delicate cosmetic cone beneath it. -the 22mm hex nut can be removed with a 7/8” box wrench (otherwise a deep 22mm socket) -the hex nut, once broken loose, may strip the plastic fine threads on the shaft, so it won’t unscrew, just spins in place. To get it off, I pushed a wooden hammer handle hard against the shaft end, into the glass, while turning the 7/8” box wrench, and it finally unscrewed -You need to get a NEW 22mm hex nut, Ford part #8L8Z-17481A, about $6.00, because the cruddy threads of the old nut will probably cross-thread the fine plastic threads on the new motor, ruining it. (Unless your hex nut came off clean as a whistle, not likely)

[@GOODZ7777]

thank you!!

[@WRDN_Ursine]

Just bought this exact model, thank you for helping me fix her up myself!

[@JLange642]

Just replaced the rear arm/blade on my 2009 Escape. Ordered online- $21.08 shipped. Looks every bit as good as the OEM and should last the few years I'll still have the car. Good video Eric!

[@myZcarlife]

Thank you, Eric. I am preparing to do this on my wife's 2010 (That fortunately only spent around 5 years up North.). I now have my parts list together.

[@62ejo]

This like the Saturday matinee I would go to double feature, well done thxs Eric...

[@sheilafollis9056]

Your video just assisted me in changing the motor in my vehicle! Thanks a bunch!

[@TheCowgirlNiamh]

I love that you clean stuff! The odd time that I do send my cars to the mechanic, they come back dirtier! I'm such a freak about that stuff lol

[@billjenkins687]

Great video. I just took the assembly apart on my 07 expedition and was able to free up and lubricate the shaft. Works great now. Sort of unrelated...

[@baxrok2.]

One, two, barbecue! All done. Thanks Dr. O!

[@michaelransdell]

Your videos are the best Eric my man! I just purchased a sweet 2010 limited and this was perfect for me, rear wiper was rusted so bad!

[@AceDublB]

Absolutely excellent video, professional in every respect. Just managed to pull wiper arm but having difficulty getting the outer nut off after 10 years of rust. The large outer nut Part 8L8Z 17481 A doesn’t come with replacement wiper motor and mine was rusted so badly it came off in pieces. Ford dealer had one in stock for $6.75 Cdn. He said that was second nut he sold today. I bought replacement wiper motor from R--Auto.com. Price and delivery to Canada was simply amazing, had it in 48 hours via FedEx, really unbelievable and half price of local parts store

[@AceDublB]

Answered my own question, sort of! After trying various size sockets and wrenches, both SAE and Metric I discovered that my outer nut was almost disintegrated and nothing much left of it after wire brushing and picking at it with some HF picks. $9.23 is cost of replacement nut from Ford on eBay! Yikes. Bye the way the big plastic dome shaped washer was split on mine too just like one shown. They must be designed that way. Just waiting for replacement motor to finish repair.

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

Right before the Ratchet broke the Nut I thought the glass was going to shatter good work Eric O @SouthMainAutoRepairLLC

[@jamesmahoney8678]

Very good video. Preparing for my own replacement and i feel you covered everything i might need. Tremendous, thanks

[@mikeecho33]

boom first 90 secs. I figured out what I forgot in my haste the wiper itself.....lol thanks for posting 4 yrs later on

[@siriusjones6719]

Vinegar and water solution wiped off with newspaper, best window cleaner ever.

[@squirrelkilla7371]

AND he cleans windows. What a mechanic!

[@ZX14er]

You know you've made the big time when Poo-Pourri is advertising on your channel!!

[@klwthe3rd]

ZX14er This is one of the few channels I watch all the commercials with glee. I want Eric O to get all the advertising dollars he can for his superior work.

[@ZX14er]

Same here, start to finish!

[@robertm2232]

It was what I needed to get the job done,thank you.

[@VistaBlueGT]

I realize this video is 5 years old, but I just happened to notice the rear wiper motor pivot nut was so badly corroded on my son's 2010 Ford Escape that the nut was literally disintegrating. So, while attempting to wrench the nut off, it did the same exact thing that this one did in your video and the plastic motor shaft threads came right off with the nut (thanks a bunch FoMoCo). So now, I'm forced to have to replace the entire motor with a new Motorcraft one, that's an additional $189 at today's price folks. I had already purchased a new pivot nut ($9.00), wiper arm cap ($6.40), wiper arm nut ($11.00), and wiper arm ($44.50). With the new motor, I'm now out-of-pocket a total of $260.00 for all new Motorcraft parts all because a damn nut rusted out. Anyway, I hope all these new parts will last the remaining life of this vehicle. This 2010 3.0L Limited Flex Fuel FWD vehicle was purchased used 5 years ago and has provided excellent service for those years and for a 13 year old vehicle with only 115,000 miles on it. I'm a subscriber of yours and thank you very much for your video.

[@bighurk30able]

If that was me doing that all you would see was little square pieces of tinted glass falling good job buddy

[@I_Am_Michael]

the more videos of your I watch, the more I am glad I live in a salt free area. even though we get lots of snow, the state just lets it melt on its own (no salting or removal here). so a ten year old car still is mostly rust free.

[@aldonco]

Eric on that broken cover I would have used a little clear silicone on the inside of that cover .that might have done the trick it's better than nothing.

[@garrywells7745]

Living in the Salt belt yall do best to leave the little cover off and put a little wd40 on it ever so often after a car wash and looks like they need to do that mare often too.. bought my 2010 in 2015 used have only used my rear wiper 2 times and didn't need to then just checking to see if it worked, just now having to replace the blade it just fell apart on it, thought I'd check out a little to do it right. Love your videos take care and live that wifey of your.

[@JD-iu3vi]

Eric gets his chicken dinner because he is a winner.

[@johnrine7171]

Video was helpful thanks for posting I’m gonna give it a shot

[@jasonwulff8341]

Excellent video. Thank you for the information and instructions.

[@jackpatteeuw9244]

Eric O. using a CRAFTSMAN 1/2" ratchet ! GASP !! That 1/4" "spinner" look a lot like MY Craftsman 1/4" spinner, which is one of my favorite tools. Who needs nut drivers ! 1/4" spinner and a hand full of sockets. Plus that spinner has a 1/4" square female drive in the end for your 1/4" "breaker bar when you need just a wee bit more torque !

[@simonrawle7885]

have a good Easter from my family to the o family

[@MrJobforacowboy00]

Enjoy your Easter weekend O family!

[@juansolis4301]

Thank you for your help, your friend Juan Solis Virginia

[@mikeholt3545]

Great video as always even a simple job can bite you

[@zx8401ztv]

Smashing, that was a nice simple repair, no struggling :-D I used some old "Sprocket pullers" i bought when i was 16 to remove the arm off my mates rear wiper motor, it was corroded on real solid, im glad i bought the old pullers 30+ years ago. Hotglue is your frend for sticking covers back on lol :-D

[@1337penguinman]

Thankfully I live in California so I usually don't need to resort to pullers for wiper arms. In the few cases I have I actually just end up using one I have that's designed for battery terminals. Worked on everything so far. Just put a couple strips of painters tape down if you're worried about scratching up the glass.

[@normangallant9879]

Good wiper motor replacement

[@willielittle6021]

Have a great Easter weekend Eric

[@yurbeeinwatched]

When working on glass I recommend Big Nasty.

[@wyattoneable]

I love an excuse to buy a new tool. See you soon.

[@marcodm]

Torque to spec 👍. Happy Easter 🐇

[@lorithomas6612]

Excellent video thanks!

[@bobmc4687]

Didn't Mrs O already cover the rear wiper motor repair video? I'm awaiting her "Timing Belt Replacement" video. lol

[@edwardmartinez199]

Bob Mc She can do it.

[@krtwood]

And Mrs O started with a diagnosis, unlike this parts swapper.

[@brianburns7211]

Mrs. O., or Hannah ought to do a video about changing a timing belt in a Hondoo too.

[@borndiy5490]

Sister owns a 2010 Escape with bad rear wiper motor. Like your video and only scary part is taking off the nut holding wiper. Just for curiosity, I checked EBay for that plastic cover. You can buy the cover for like $7 or the complete wiper & arm for $10. Forget Ford Motor Parts. The motor sells on EBay from $65 to $70. I do a lot of EBay shopping but also some from Amazon. I do find for some same products Amazon priced higher.

[@willmcgo8288]

The same thing happened to me when loosening the large nut; the motor cracked so the nut just spun and didn't come off. Difference was that I couldn't pull the nut and broken part off the end of the shaft because the stub on the end of the shaft was as big as the threaded part the large nut was seized onto. After looking at the new motor's shaft end and seeing how it was smaller, I realized that when I pulled the wiper arm off, the metal insert in the plastic arm didn't come off with the arm. When the arm is manufactured the metal insert may be ultrasonically pressed on or molded in place. The wiper arm was seized so well that its metal insert stayed with the motor shaft instead of remaining as part of the wiper arm. I ended up using some torch heat (after shielding the glass and other bits) then quenching it to free the insert from the shaft. Then I was able to pull the nut assembly off the end of the motor shaft and complete the motor replacement. Of course I need a new wiper arm now. Funny thing, when the rear wiper motor is unplugged the front washer pump doesn't work. I had unplugged the rear wiper motor after it killed the battery while the vehicle was parked. I could hear the motor trying to move, then it seemed like a circuit breaker would trip. Then it would reset and the process repeats. Until the battery was dead. Clever design Ford. Thanks for posting your video, it was very helpful to see how it should go before tackling the repair.

[@chcebs8662]

Awesome thx for the video

[@jkunderwood3291]

First. Like a boss. Have a great weekend and happy Easter Obrochta family!

[@Mike-gt1cs]

"Be Ginger". It's all fun and games 'til somebody wrecks a boat on a deserted isle.

[@hippiegypsygirl]

Thanks!

[@SouthMainAuto]

You bet!

[@jackburner8107]

Dont forget your rubber......sound advice.....thanks for the vid

[@mandotob5152]

I usually use a black rubber vacuum cap on the wiper arm bolt in that case

[@SouthMainAuto]

Great tip!

[@DefaultAccount100]

+1 style points for the flat panel Craftsman ratchet.

[@rhoptry]

+1 here too. I've got one of those Craftsman ratchets. Story: Box of tools got stolen while on a trip. Went to the nearest pawn shop looking for it. Didn't find it, but bought someone else's box for a song. Had a broken ratchet inside, which I took to Sears to exchange for a nice new one like Eric uses here.

[@johnmills186]

Amazing high quality Rust. The cost of ownership for a car there must be astronomical.

[@SuperLaugh20]

If Mrs. O can do it, so can we

[@reginajackson8828]

I have a pouch full of tool bits. I probably have to find out which one works to remove the part. It came with a long small drill. I hope it does.

[@spaceinvadertoo]

The whole time you were putting that nut on I was thinking "washerwasherwasher".

[@LifeWulf]

I literally only needed this video to show me how to remove that cap. Wasn’t sure if just ripping it off was the correct move. My rear wiper motor works fine, but it is loose and just hangs down below the window if it snows too much. If all I’m doing it tightening the arm nut, do I need the WD-40? I have no other need for it.

[@mid-thumbautomotive7643]

OTC is making that puller now, #4680. Looks exactly the same except for blue wing nuts and a higher price.

[@rrmech11]

Nice

[@charlesmiller5078]

Took a Lady over to pickup her car at a newer repair shop that had just opened. After reading their sign , I found out they charge 98.00 per hour for labor. They must of had 250,000 in lifts ( all brand new ). But I noticed no customers. Nice place tho.

[@SouthMainAuto]

Maybe you can snag one up at their auction!?

[@charlesmiller5078]

And the Owner didnt seem to be in a real good mood either, I just dont see where we have enough people in this area to support a nice of a place as that. But its a new place who knows, not my money. I have to catch myself griping about labor rate, I used to charge 125.00 pr hour, 16 years ago. I guess its whatever the traffic will bear. Your around 70/75 aren't you. Maybe they charge more cause they dont have that Rust Bonus :)

[@SouthMainAuto]

Yeah I am high in my area at 70. None of the local shops will increase and have all been stuck in this rut for years... sucks.

[@charlesmiller5078]

Yea but you get that small town living, and thats hard to beat. I find it funny when your talking about Maple Sugar Candy, having been born in VT, we used to go back every summer for 3 weeks, and they would try to tell me how good the stuff was, I hated it, way to sweet. Now that cotton candy looked pretty good :)

[@klwthe3rd]

Charles Miller I think 125 is high personally, but ill pay it if it's quality work. Most places aren't up to SMA level so I'll sadly stick with my local mechanic at 65 per hour. Not even half the mechanic that Eric O is.

[@mikechiodetti6737]

Lucky with that glass!

[@StoneLegion]

One the worst things I want to add about the Rear Wiper (Same Year/Model). Is that if it can close? I guess is the term the circuit. It will keep trying killing your battery. So if your watching this video and don't want to risk breaking the glass and waiting on a mechanic. You might want to pull the fuse. I forget what fuse it was now but they were well labeled. Or else you will her a fine clicking sound of it trying to close the circuit even when the car is off / electronics is off.

[@marksteven3534]

Some RTV Black to glue on the plastic arm cover worth a try ? Clean window for customer goes a long way nice repair!

[@ouarkie]

Eric, glad you didn't drop the nut on your foot like Mrs O did when she replaced her wiper motor. Lol.

[@antoniodelacruziii3285]

Great video. I shattered my back glass on 2002 ford explorer sport. I bought replacement glass. The wiper motor has a pad that is glued to glass. What glass glue is recommended to glue glass to pass? The pad goes through the plastic motor housing

[@jerryblood9554]

Pretty fancy ceiling fan for a shop.

[@LunkerFishing]

I would have offered to the customer to glue the broken cover back on with the stipulation it may fall off in the future at their risk. A little dab of epoxy in spots that would not hinder the operation of the blade would have been good customer relations.

[@Micko350]

Lunker012 When you find something (other than salt & road grime) that sticks to fluid film, you mean?!

[@ellobo8593]

Was having SMA withdraws.....

[@bobmcelver1484]

Hahahaha......laughed my ass off......"Smells like an old man". I always hated the smell of that Castle glass cleaner.....reeks. When you said that, I cracked up laughing. When I worked for the county, they used that stuff exclusively and it has a distinct "stank" to it......puke....

[@stickmunch]

Is that the same Escape that had the same issue a few years ago? When they sent you the wrong sized wiper and you went with a Tri-Color or something? If so, I think I need to go outside more..

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

Good Repair Eric O @SouthMainAutoRepairLLC

[@randytheapplianceguy8838]

I felt bad, I was yelling at the tv, "you forgot the washer"

[@Papi4l2]

So the windshild washer fluid doesnt come out up front if u unhook the power to this back motor...ask me how i know lol. Wish u put this video out last year. My sisters arm was so corroded, it woukdnt home. Instead, the motor woukd keep trying and kill the battery. She took it to a shop(wth right?) They tell her she needs a new motor. Quote $350. She says leave it, she doesnt want it. They said they "cant". She said shes coming to ger it right now. They said they'll see what they can do. They charged her $100 to unplug the power to the back motor😒. So anyway. I finally get a call when she finds out her fluid isnt coming out up front anymore. Why didnt i check what they did first eric? Why? I coulda been done all zippy zap. No, instead i wanna go in after the damn windshild washer fluid motor smdh. Fastforward. I end up in the tail end, where i normally do. See that all they did was unhook one damn wire(WELL THERES UR PROBLEM LADY) and that was the only thing preventing fluid coming out?! U gotta be shitting me Coulda def. Used that wiper arm puller too lol. My repair? Well, do u wanna spend the money on a new motor? Its jjst the back window...who needs to see what u just left? She doesnt wanna pay for it. So i take it apart, break up corrosion, lube up the shaft, put it back together and ship. Tell her not to use the back wiper lol DONE

[@canuckted1]

Same thing happened to me with front washers not working 'cause they pulled the plug on back wiper, which they did because it was grounding out"" I think it's called, and DRAINING MY BATTERY!!! Found out AFTER got a new battery of course. Uggggh!

[@mikedayitt]

I pull them with a screwdriver and teeth.Love the salt residue lol (just kiiding ...I dont use a screwdriver) 4 minutes in so thats where you keep all your spray cans looks like a autoparts candy store to me.

[@robertrichardson1133]

Jerry Blood I noticed that also, wish I could afford that in my house. Lol

[@Micko350]

You went berserk cleaning everything eXcept (special 'X' for you) the wiper arm?!

[@blassmich2]

Literally dealing with this now and inners broke so won't come off lol

[@JD-iu3vi]

If you get tired of mechanic'in you have a future as a window washer.

[@AlisterCountel]

Question! My motor isn't broken, but has a terrible whine, loud enough you can hear it even when the car is driving on highway. Do you know any way of tearing it down and lubricating at appropriate places, or am I better off just replacing it/dealing with it? The video was easy enough to follow on removal, but without any idea of how to tear it down or what I should and should not mess with, I thought it best to leave it alone.

[@accountnumber3276]

My back wiper is sized as well. I heard people saying they replaced the motor only to get this issue again. Is there a way to bypass so I can get wiper spray at the front windshield

[@eggbert191]

Can't get that large nut off on mine. It just spins. Any suggestions?

[@douglasraymond2718]

see my other comment 10/17/2018. Briefly, push hard on motor shaft end with a hammer handle, into the glass, while turning the nut with a 7/8" box wrench

[@handmedownclown]

There is a hook on the inside of the glass (to the left of the plastic container the wiper motor sits in) which connects to the wiper motor where the first 10mm nut is. Is that hook and metal plate part of the glass replacement? This broke off on my 2008 escape where it connects to the wiper motor so the window doesn't latch closed and can't find the thing anywhere. The glass assembly is over $300 so trying to make sure it has the piece I need. Thanks!

[@SergioPena20]

Hello Eric. How’s the weather in your neck of the woods?

[@heavydiesel]

Was like n' 997, which is the cc of the original Mini Cooper engine!

[@dikkins123]

What are the electrical connections? I th8nk there is six? Thank you

[@opl500]

Line up the arrows on the rubber.

[@j.cooper2246]

I spy with my little eye @ 4:05 a absolute dozen cans of fluid film.however Dr.O breaks out the fancy new wd-40 can for his peeps.lol ..does the ford motocraft box smell like the gonja,( cv shaft box). Was that torque spec a calabrated ugga dugga...lol..nice detail job on that window.( house keeping, u need me to fluff pillow?) MOVIE?...Dr.O lets see some food plot ,hunting videos,..i am going shed hunting this weekend, wanna go?. Hmmmmmm i say yes...family time...thanks for the video...Dr. O..🍻

[@TheTurbomopar]

Justin Cooper what's up with the CV shaft boxes smelling, noticed that also

[@joe2mercs]

I hate it when a small cover or component breaks and to replace it you have to buy the entire assembly or when you buy the entire assembly you find an essential nut or washer is not actually included with it.

[@lillpit09]

Why didn’t you use a half the size star bit to take that out???

[@Zib187]

I was using that same Crapsman ratchet last week on my son's '06 Escape while changing the rear shocks & the damn teeth on the ratchet gave out & my pinkie ended up losing some skin & the ratchet went flying across the garage.

[@klwthe3rd]

Zib187 guess those non American Craftsmans aren't what they used to be.....arent what they used to go. Lol

[@Zib187]

All of the Crapsman tools that I own were made in the USA. All of them are 25+ years old. Even my long Husky wrenches were made in the US.

[@dizzlethewizard]

Any chance you know the part number for the replacement nut from ford?

[@johnthuman1001]

When ordering parts for this job, got the warning not for my vehicle a 2003 Ford Escape. Seemed odd to me.

[@Pantherman1979]

Is it just me, or do the newer vehicle's parts not last as long? I have an 2006 Focus and I've noticed (maybe just coincidence) most of the repairs that you do, are on 2010 and newer.

[@pugzleyamazing]

Anyone have the battery drain because of this motor going. Cause I think I am having that issue.

[@stevie3275]

Does Mrs O know you are a good glass cleaner?

[@frankwaters8177]

where can i buy the motor, and what does it cost for a ford 2017 escape? thanks

[@jmx10]

Are we ever gonna see a tool tour...?

[@chevyphil3969]

aw streek proof from castle the best glass cleaner in my opinion. also great for putting in windshields in big rigs went through many cases in 20 years of rig working DO NOT BUT WELWORTH not worth it. short time our area was without a castle dealer and welworth moved in it was all junk

[@doubletgarage5556]

Yeah boy