Forever and Ever: The WORST Gordon Episode

#thomasthetankengine #thomasandfriends #gordonthebigengine
Gordon is one of the BEST characters in Thomas and Friends. But unfortunately, despite him being one of the most consistent characters he has some really terrible episodes. One episode that did him the WORST (in my opinion) was Forever and Ever from season 22. But why is that? Let’s find out!
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[@DonaldTheScottishTwin57646]

My brain can't comprehend how Nia being the one to tell Gordon to suck it up even got into the script, like, how!? It's explicitly, straight up in your face so close that it's uncomfortable, that its one of the most morally misguided things one can do in a kids show!

[@nicholetheotter1957]

It’s awful. It’s like Nia is just blatantly telling the audience “Hey, I’m the new woke female token diversity engine, so suck it up and accept me as a main character” and that shows exactly what Nia and Rebecca exist for, being political statements and not a proper compelling character. Mattel only wanted to use their gender (and race for Nia) as their main selling point without even bothering to transition them into the main cast properly, getting blatantly shoehorned.

[@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967]

The Miller era did have Gordon's goodhearted side in his episodes.

[@giulianodervelociraptorder734]

And S17 & S21.

[@Avery_Productions]

Yeah I honestly think Nitrogen era Gordon is better than Brennar era Gordon

[@ItsCarlos563]

@@Avery_Productions And I prefer Gordon in the HiT Era over the Classic Era.

[@Tugsboi47]

@@ItsCarlos563same

[@tonybusch8771]

Yeah, I like Gordon much better when he’s goodhearted and well-spirited.

[@giulianodervelociraptorder734]

Gordon actually had a heart in the Miller era. In KOTR, S17 & TOTB, Gordon still had a heart. In S18-S20 (minus TAB) he became more grumpy. TGR and S21 fixed his character but BWBA then gave the middle finger.

[@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967]

According to Ian McCue, Henry was originally going to remain at Tidmouth Sheds alongside Rebecca.

[@DonaldTheScottishTwin57646]

Dunno why they couldn't add an extra berth other than to keep the main cast at 7 characters.

[@LazyOldFusspot_3428]

​@@DonaldTheScottishTwin57646 Budget, I guess? Then you have the Christopher Awdry-esque indoor turntable sheds. Why didn't they stick to that?

[@Tugsboi47]

@@LazyOldFusspot_3428the rws roundhouse would have been better

[@NitroIndigo]

Source?

[@giulianodervelociraptorder734]

@@NitroIndigo Ian said it in an email. The email was shown in Unlucky Tug's Henry video.

[@ItsCarlos563]

At least Edward and Henry didn't suffer getting even more bad episodes in the BWBA Era. This and Gordon Gets the Giggles are the worst Gordon episodes in the show.

[@Avery_Productions]

Fr

[@joshuav875]

I thought that the giggles episode was considered the worst as it was squeak rattle and roll done wrong

[@dslade6559]

I actually like Gordon Gets the Giggles 👍 🤭 💙

[@joshuaW5621]

I’m glad BWBA was able to keep Edward and Henry in character, even if they didn’t appear as much as they used to.

[@CTTE06]

That is so true

[@TheEerieMaster]

I'd always like to joke about this episode, and say Gordon is a metaphor for the fandom when we were told Henry was being written off and replaced by a uninteresting character I enjoy laughing at this episode🤣

[@erikthetrainmaster6112]

Gordon is one of my favorite characters in Thomas. He has tons of great episodes but this one is without a doubt his worst episode. This is one I would set on fire for ruining Gordon’s character up!

[@Fgeographytopics579]

Gordon: never trust domeless engines,they aren't respectable Emily: hey!

[@tonybusch8771]

Gordon: Oops. 😳

[@Fgeographytopics579]

​@@tonybusch8771 I can imagine Emily teaming up with donald and douglas to beat him up😂

[@tonybusch8771]

@@Fgeographytopics579, Hm, that would be something now, would it. 😏

[@Fgeographytopics579]

@@tonybusch8771 yeah I guess

[@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho]

Make this episode about Percy being upset about Nia filling in for Thomas’s jobs while Thomas is away on his big world adventure and have Gordon, who’s come to accept Rebecca’s presence as co-express engine, show him the good side of change, and it becomes golden. In fact, that’s exactly what my rewrite, “For Always and Always”, is all about.

[@terencewilliammckenna6121]

Gordon could’ve blamed James for starting all this by crashing into the shed in the first place

[@RWSfan2024]

That honestly makes more sense

[@Avery_Productions]

Fr and why should Gordon be listening to nia who he knows chose to leave her friends to live on Sodor

[@RyanHo242]

Yes.

[@jeremiahsisaias8677]

​@@RWSfan2024Someone should make a video about that one day.

[@tonybusch8771]

@@RWSfan2024, Yeah.

[@alolaamii]

I guess I never viewed this episode as Gordon having a "tantrum", more so, he was afraid of change. That's a reasonable fear for most, and he was doing what he could to ensure everything went back to the way it was. And his outburst, I more felt was a mental breakdown. All these changes to deal with, stressed him out, and he had had enough, so he went a bit haywire.

[@jeremiahsisaias8677]

My thoughts exactly. Edward and Henry were Gordon's first 2 friends and to see Henry leaving Tidmouth without being informed was his breaking point to speak the truth of how the audience feels about the writing for this episode. The other thing I don't see nobody talk about and make stories about Edward and Henry's departure was that Gordon couldve also been upset about James starting this after he destroyed the wall of Tidmouth Sheds in "The fastest red engine on Sodor" and Edward left after he was repaired.

[@alolaamii]

Oooo! Having Gordon be mad at James due to his crash, and ruining their ways of life would have been so interesting to see! Wish that would have happened!

[@mr.jackproductions27]

I agree with you that This is by far The WORST Gordon episode of all time!🤬Gordon Acts like a Whining Baby in this just Because Edward moved out also i hate how henry JUST SAID IN 1 LINE That he is moving out of Tidmouth Sheds for NO REASON AT ALL Just to Let Rebecca into the Steam team They could just let Edward go to Wellsworth with Boco and Rebecca go to Tidmouth Sheds its not that Hard! At Least some Sharon Miller and hit era Episodes got Gordon right like Snow Tracks O the Indignity its Good to be Gordon Etc But this is so Bad and the worst episode of Season 22 next to Apology Impossible and This is why The Steam team Does not WORK! also Nice video and i cant wait for Emily i think its gonna Be Emily's Adventure: The Worst Emily Episode i hope im Right!

[@killdozer7792]

You know how I would have written this episode? Gordon is deeply missing Edward after he moves out and has some resentment towards Nia. However, it is also established that Henry has been making long trips to and from the mainland with heavy freight, so it's often late when he gets back... thus, he doesn't get much chance to sleep. He speaks to Edward one day, who suggests he could sleep at Vicarstown, since it'll be closer. Henry asks The Fat Controller about this, and agrees. Gordon overhears and is so cross, he ends up running into a freight train, causing himself some damage. To Gordon's annoyance, Nia is the one who has to take him to the works, but as the two talk, Gordon realises that they have a lot in common, especially since Nia can never see her old friends again. At the Steamworks, Edward and Henry visit Gordon and kindly reassure him they'll remain The Three Railway Engines.

[@stuartbarclay7940]

Me: Oh, boy, oh, boy, oh, boy... I don't want your GARBGE, Mattel! Mattel: Oh, please! Oh, please. Oh, please, oh, please... Me: I don't think you grasp... the severity of the situation. In all seriousness, this would definitely be the worst Gordon episode ever! I would rather watch the Tracks to Big Adventures episode Changes to the Railway over it anyday. Link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIvJnZ6AnbiErsUsi=JlL4jpXUjo2k07Le

[@tonybusch8771]

Hit Entertainment: *(Growls Angrily)* Murderer. Mattel: Hit… Hit, Please? Please, have mercy, I beg you. Hit Entertainment: You don’t deserve to live.

[@thusgordonplot4721]

Also, Gordon notes how he’d want his own shed in “the frozen turntable” for sake of peace and quiet as he often demands the others to be quiet and they seemed to have forgotten about that

[@comicfan1324]

What sucks is the episode could’ve worked if instead of making fun of the audience and implying that they’re feelings are invalid. They could’ve tried to cushion the blow a little bit. Obviously, Thomas & Friends is a fictional show so what happens it doesn’t ultimately matter, but the show still means a lot to a lot of people and making such a major change so quickly is going to have a strong response so they really could’ve use this episode to say “we get it a lot is changing, but everything is going to be OK”. Instead of the message is “deal with it, you baby.”

[@joshuaW5621]

My thoughts exactly. BWBA had so much wasted potential that kinda frustrates me sometimes.

[@amyrodgers4252]

I honestly just felt bad for Gordon in this episode. He was just upset about Edward and Henry - the two engines he's been with since the start of the NWR - leaving, and in his eyes, replaced by two new engines he hardly knows. I also hate how NO ONE regards his feelings about this. He's just treated like he's the crazy one. I also can't really blame him for lashing out in Knapford, I'd be pretty upset myself if a close friend just randomly decided to move without telling me. Personally, i think Nia DID see that he was upset, so comforting him is alright, but the way she goes about comforting Gordon in a "suck it up" kinda way is awful.

[@joshuaW5621]

It’s not like Edward and Henry left the railway. Gordon is still gonna see them most of the time.

[@jeremiahsisaias8677]

This episode is relatable bad to me. Gordon was speaking straight up FACTS about how the audience feels about Henry's departure with no explanation. The title of this episode should've been called "Gordon goes rogue". He and Edward weren't fully gone yet as they had some cameos, mentions and speaking roles in the next 2 seasons of the BWBA Era.

[@joshuaW5621]

At least someone isn’t claiming that they weren’t part of the show anymore. Nice to see someone is acknowledging that they didn’t disappear like BoCo, Arthur, Murdoch and Molly.

[@bubblingboiler195]

I do understand why he got mad. Edward and Henry where his first friends

[@tonybusch8771]

I mean, yes, sure, Gordon can be somewhat quite an annoying bully to others from time to time, but that isn’t what we wanted of him, really, he’s really the other engines’ friend, no matter how angry he gets with them, or how angry they get with him.

[@joshuaW5621]

Still doesn’t justify acting like a child tbf.

[@tonybusch8771]

Good/​​⁠Fair Point.

[@LeshaunDinglenutfan7095]

Finally someone says that Nia and Rebecca should've coexist with Edward and Henry. I'm tired of all those Thomas purists saying that they should be scrapped because it's so lazy. Thank you for speaking the truth at 7:03

[@jacobjcb8883]

It's ironic how fans tell you to stop bashing on AEG when they keep bashing on these two even after BWBA concluded

[@joshuaW5621]

@@jacobjcb8883my thoughts exactly. And as for the whole scrapping them and BWBA thing, this literally goes against the point of trying to fix it. As the Unlucky Tug put it best “A bad writer gets rid of stuff that doesn’t work. A good writer makes that stuff work.” If Awdry had the same sort of mentality as these anti-BWBA people, I bet he would have killed off Henry instead of having him rebuilt.

[@jacobjcb8883]

@@joshuaW5621 Yeah I can't believe nobody's noticed how ironic it is If there's one thing that pisses me off, it's hypocrisy If these people want fans to stop directing hate to AEG non stop then they should at least set an example

[@nicholetheotter1957]

It’s so infuriating that after Nia and Rebecca got introduced, Edward and Henry basically got erased from existence. Even the characters themselves act like the two “retired” engines don’t exist. But of course Mattel wanted to cave to demand from the woke feminist brigade…

[@joshuaW5621]

@@nicholetheotter1957 no they didn’t. They show didn’t completely abandon them.

[@TobyOliverHenryFan]

4:03 I didn't know Gordon had a mental breakdown. I still don't understand how you have one of those. And frankly, I don't want to know.

[@thusgordonplot4721]

It must be that Henry moves to vicarstown as he often delivers cargo trains to the mainland as told in tale of the brave and journey beyond Sodor

[@nicholetheotter1957]

This is most likely the theory behind it, as Vicarstown is on the eastern side of Sodor and the last stop before the Mainland. He was likely having to travel to the Mainland a lot more than he used to, meaning he hasn’t been able to spend as much time on Sodor and thus had to live closer to the Mainland to fulfil the demand. Henry never even interacted with Rosie, so pairing them up was such a weird move on Mattel’s part.

[@megariderfire1994]

Yeah...this really was a lowest Gordon has ever been. Imagine Sodor's top link prestigious express engine of the famous A1 class of the great Sir Nigel Gresley...acting like one hell of an immature thoughtless manchild. Sure, the Brenner Era flanderized him to a grumpy selfish cynical jerk but never to THIS point. That and Gordon was seriously the only one that even cared when two of the engines that have been with him since like the beginning and not even the two engines (Edward and Henry of course) that chose to leave were the ones trying to comfort them and explain their decisions. Anyways, I'm curious to see more installments of the worst episodes for certain Thomas characters. Looking forward to Thomas, Emily, and the Scottish Twins someday!

[@tonybusch8771]

There are no worst episodes about Thomas, but, I can think of a couple for Emily and Donald & Douglas.

[@aegontan686]

I think they used Gordon to represent and make fun of Thomas fans in this episode

[@callum110597]

I actually like "Forever and Ever", even though it sucks that Henry just randomly left Tidmouth Sheds just for Vicarstown! Just why? And yeah, the whole Steam Team concept is a big joke, when there are loads of other engines we wanna see, not just Thomas and seven other well-known characters. 😒 But still, I favour this over "Gordon Gets the Giggles", "The Frozen Turntable" and especially "Gordon and Ferdinand".

[@joshuaW5621]

IRYO, but I do wish we had the better version of BWBA that Brenner and McQue likely had in mind before the executives at Mattel demanded to cut season 21 short and rush production of BWBA.

[@callum110597]

@@joshuaW5621 Me too; it made better sense with Rebecca introduced much earlier and Henry staying at Tidmouth Sheds.

[@D.S_Productions]

4:49 Bro was on Welsh Coal 😭

[@terencewilliammckenna6121]

Obviously similar to fans’ complaints on the BWBA era

[@joshuaW5621]

Yep.

[@terencewilliammckenna6121]

They should’ve given Toby a berth at Tidmouth sheds

[@supermariof0521]

How would I fix it? Simple. Instead of having Gordon act like a spoiled little child, you could instead just simply have him be glum about Edward leaving Tidmouth sheds cause he knew Edward for many years and had learned a lot from elderly K2. Like maybe he would try not to show his glum side and try to get on with his work, but the more he tries to focus on his express duties, the more unhappy he becomes. Eventually he finally opens up to Edward about how he felt he was being sent away and replaced. Turns out Nia had also been unsure about her new life on Sodor as it is obviously very different from the African railway she used to work on. She tells Gordon that she knows how he feels and how she had friends she used to know on her old railway and how she sometimes feels sad that she's very far away from them. Edward also understands where Gordon is coming from, but is proud of him for trying to remain mature about Edward leaving Tidmouth, but explains that he's not leaving Sodor and is simply moving to Wellsworth which is part of his branchline, but sees just how much Gordon has grown personality wise and how Gordon learned so much and gained a lot of respect for Edward. However Gordon feels guilty for not giving Nia a chance and apologizes to her, but Nia tells him that she understood where he was coming from, cause she's having a difficult time trying to get used to her new life on Sodor, and Gordon tries to make it up to Nia by offering to show her around Sodor to help her get more aquainted with the North Western Railway. And the episode ends with Gordon being happy he had made a new friend and that Edward was remaining on Sodor, but just living in a new shed closer to his branchline.

[@joshuaW5621]

I’m so disappointed that this wasn’t the version we got.

[@CakeKingYT]

5:13 Marion with The Express 😂💀💀

[@mee_is_sus]

4:14 My reaction to all of mattel's business decisions:

[@cadenthethomasexpert1379]

Accurate

[@karenfan010]

4:09 lost treasure but the roles are reversed.

[@tonybusch8771]

Oh-No, not that again, please don’t remind me.

[@joshuaW5621]

lol

[@thesudriana016]

Alongside Frozen Turntable - Forever & Ever or any other Brenner/BWBA Gordon appearance didn't do my favorite Thomas character justice (the only exceptions I make in his main roles where he is genuine in my opinion are Gordon Runs Dry, Confused Coaches and Gordon & Rebecca Coming Through!). However, the early CGI seasons (when Sharon Miller was headwriter formally) handled Gordon well cause it was under HiT Entertainment's ownership until Mattel swallowed the company up and it became no more. I used to like this episode prior, but now I absolutely hated it! Gordon's tantrum is unacceptable and I see the potential in what the concept was meant to be about, but how it was handled is so turbulent. I will say it wasn't meant to be written in the first place - cause Rebecca was meant to be in Edward's place at Tidmouth and Henry never leaves for Vicarstown permanently, but then production issues occurs in Arc's bankruptcy, TAB fast-tracked into their schedule, etc. Series 21 where she was meant to be a part of was cut short and was pushed forward to this era (Confusion w/o Delay and Chucklesome Trucks). And I agree that the Steam Team concept doesn't work - they portray Tidmouth as a superhero lead corporation group when it and the main cast and other characters can use it at different times like a real locomotive shed. They just wrote themselves into a pickle, didn't they?

[@user-wt6gh9np4c]

This is where people have to give the Miller era credit. Say what you want about most of the characters, but you can’t deny that they nailed Gordon’s pompous and kindhearted sides perfectly. Not like the Brenner era and THIS abomination of any episode.

[@PCMan8922]

I knew Gordon has terrible episodes! I knew it! Can't wait for Emily.

[@KTWhatsup]

My money's on one of the HIT Era episodes.

[@blackraptorex2469]

As someone who considers Gordon to be my favorite character in all of TTTE and Gordon literally having the strongest and best episodes of the show, this episode was just painful to watch, the fact Gordon would throw a tantrum is so out of character for him, sure he is grumpy and can be arrogant and pompous but by all means he would not act childish about it, the only characters of the main cast that I could consider throwing tantrums are Thomas and James, that’s it. The overall concept of Gordon having to accept change is such a good idea but MAN was it executed atrociously, plus having Nia to tell Gordon oh suck it and accept it just pisses me off because like huh??? Dude this is just wrong in so many levels man, Edward should’ve been the one to tell him that he needs to accept the change not having the new comer tell him!

[@CTTE06]

And *ANDREW BRENNER* wrote it! Me thinking Mattel were in his way to force Nia in there instead of Edward or Henry for the night shed scene, Henry’s single line of dialogue, Gordon’s Tantrum, AND THE FUCKING (idk what they’re called but basically what you called it “the brain rot sequence). It’s by far the worst BWBA episode outta the entire 3 seasons Also you’re gonna regret getting Twitter. It’s the worst social media platform, and everyone is toxic over a train with a face.

[@kevin-2.1]

I was surprise too that Andrew wrote this!

[@dslade6559]

What else did you expect from him? Brenner hates Gordon for some reason and all episodes he writes with Gordon has him suffering from indignity and disgrace.

[@kevin-2.1]

@@dslade6559 whoa, I didn’t know until now that Brenner hates Gordon 🤯.

[@NitroIndigo]

Sometimes writers will be credited for a script that was heavily altered.

[@thegoattrain]

"it's toxic they're exhiling pedophiles and racists but they're racists that make videos I like!"

[@keanes8608]

Gordon felt the most relatable during that episode. Who wouldn’t react like that!

[@seanagulan9481]

Gordon is basically the T&F fandom reacting to this…

[@eliseorossiproductions6348]

The fantasy sequence is a perfect representation for the current state of the franchise.

[@KTWhatsup]

It's, possible Henry moved to Vicarstown to have a closer place to sleep after taking The Flying Kipper.

[@nicholetheotter1957]

Not just the Flying Kipper, but probably other heavy goods work too that requires him to frequently go to the Mainland, so he figured that to accommodate the demand, it was best he lives on the eastern side of Sodor in order to be as close to the Mainland, where his work often takes him to. That’s my theory.

[@KTWhatsup]

@@nicholetheotter1957 A Railway Theory!

[@masterJ2004]

I can confirm Henry had NO ACTUAL REASON to move to Vicarstown...🤦‍♂️

[@Enterprisingexpress02]

Gordon is us in this episode, and Mattel is saying that we all are just a bunch of babies throwing tantrums… I hate Bwba so much…

[@joshuaW5621]

Mattel ruined any chance of BWBA being good.

[@Jeisr4207-bc5ui]

@@joshuaW5621 BWBA never had a chance to be good

[@joshuaW5621]

@@Jeisr4207-bc5ui it kinda did. The idea of Thomas travelling around the world and adding more girls to the main cast are both interesting concepts that seemed to have good intentions at first, but I think they could have been done a lot better.

[@jameskennedy075]

Are you having trouble deciding which on one the WORST Thomas episode? Because there are loads of disgraceful ones?

[@Avery_Productions]

I think it’s Too Loud Thomas or Wonky Whistle

[@margogoralski6294]

Nice video, dude. I always found this video to be a very bitter and condescending call out to upset fans, along with regressing Gordon's personality. Writing off Henry was super rushed and unnecessary and just further sours this era and makes it rather spiteful. Also, I love your usage of the FNAF SB daycare theme in your outro.

[@GrumpyArthur]

If Edward talk about changes throughout his life it would had work

[@JustDougi]

I just found Gordon’s tantrum funny

[@jonathanadair6847]

You know how the Unlucky Tug was bewildered at how David Mitton wrote Edward the Very Useful Engine? Well, I’m completely bewildered as to how Andrew Brenner was credited for this absolute disrespectful junk. Me: WHAT DO YOU MEAN ANDREW BRENNER WROTE THIS ONE!?

[@joshuaW5621]

Well he also wrote Three Steam Engines Gruff.

[@jonathanadair6847]

@@joshuaW5621 True, but that one’s not as egregious as this one.

[@Nic_2751]

This episode is honestly less of a problem with Gordon and more so a problem with the fact this episode was made out of spite but that it obvious wasn’t much Brenner but Mattel’s lashing out

[@joshuaW5621]

Clearly. It’s not Brenner’s fault this episode sucks. I’m sure he and the other writers had good intentions with BWBA. It’s all Mattel’s fault.

[@thusgordonplot4721]

Thomas: Don’t go back, saved you, wonky whistle, or too loud Thomas. Emily: As good as Gordon, Emily knows best, Emily and the special coaches, or any others. Skarloey: Skarloey the brave, wharf and peace, or push me pull you.

[@aquaatem1]

I think the BWBA team just had something against Gordon, whether it be poor characterization or writing. Looking at it from a lesson angle, this isn't a good episode covering how to handle friends moving away or handling a child who is moving away from friends. Gordon can be pompous and prideful, but he is kindhearted and helpful and we have seen it in the past. The Awdry's knew what they wanted to do with Gordon and in the books showed his progression from a young boastful express engine into a mature engine that could finally accept change. However, it seems like that progression got lost over time do to the show running for so long which caused Gordon to get down graded to a big blue grumpy engine.

[@tomytrainguy7975]

Great video! I think the reason why Henry moved to Vicarstown sheds is because he delivers goods trains to the mainland along with the flying kipper. But the real reason why Edward and Henry were replaced by Nia and Rebecca was because Mattel wanted to fix the gender balance in the steam team even though it was the dumbest decision ever made.

[@cadenthethomasexpert1379]

You Think! I Will NEVER Forgive You Mattel! 🖕🤬🖕

[@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967]

Though Ian McCue wanted Henry to stay at Tidmouth Sheds alongside Rebecca originally.

[@joshuaW5621]

@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967curse you Mattel!

[@TheLocomotiveGuy45]

Nia Literally told Gordon to suck it up and accept that his friends left But. Gordon isn’t great himself in this episode ether.

[@spongytitles2704]

Can we see the next Emily-centric ep next? (My guess would be Emily’s Adventure)

[@magicrailstudios]

I think that the worst thing about this episode was that I'm pretty sure it was written with the intent to mock the fandom, who were not in favour of BWBA.

[@Bobsburgers123]

not to make twelve comments, i do think the detail of gordon caring about how edward left and nia replaced him, i mean the only good way i could see this is that gordons irrational fear is being replaced by the next big thing, he depicts nia as the bad guy, the next big thing that took out one of sodors oldest with gordon knowing hes next, and at the end, he sees henry being replaced (again showings hes grown a kinship with both engines) again, now knowing he would be next. as in the cgi canon, gordon was the third engine, henry (2nd) was faulty, making mr fat controller purchase gordon. thats the only way i could see this making sense, but everyone knows a 4 year old wont understand this XD

[@Avery_Productions]

That would be a perfect rewrite for the episode

[@HaruDaRabbit]

i remember making a post on tumblr about it, how basically everyone just called gordon a crybaby over practically losing his friends

[@joshuaW5621]

Tbh they’re right. Gordon is a crybaby in this episode.

[@HaruDaRabbit]

​@joshuaW5621 he has every right to be upset, like imagine your two best friends leave and you only see them for 30 seconds a day, and being made fun of because your depressed

[@joshuaW5621]

@@HaruDaRabbit wow. Imagine getting upset because your two best friends moved to other nearby towns and throwing a fit because everything is changing.

[@anthonycreationsofficial]

Yo fellas, let’s agreed my man has been cooking well in these days?!

[@CakeKingYT]

I wonder who’s next! Thomas? Emily? Donald & Douglas?

[@BlueTankEngineAndFriends1984]

At first I didn't like Gordon when I first watched Thomas the tank engine because I thought he was just an asshole who is always rude but over time I got use to him being like this

[@sashathetankengine1970]

It’s odd that the era during CGI Thomas’ tenure that got Gordon the most correct was the Nitrogen Era… Here are a few examples: In Hero of the Rails, he was more than happy to help with Hiro by bringing him spare parts. When Thomas was a bit goofy and took the express that one time and couldn’t handle it, Gordon was happy to retake the train. In Snow Tracks, after somehow creating a giant snowball and causing Thomas to derail, Gordon feels sorry and helps Thomas by getting Rocky and helping him deliver the firewood. It’s only a few examples, and there are plenty that show Gordon to be rude, but he was treated relatively good.

[@Avery_Productions]

Nitrogen era Gordon is peak CGI Gordon

[@jeremiahsisaias8677]

​@@Avery_ProductionsLets not forget in "Up, up and away!" Gordon had braincells to Thomas and Percy when they lose their first 2 balloons.

[@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967]

Even with bad writing involved. If only it continues in the Brenner era with good writing.

[@thusgordonplot4721]

At least Rebecca helps Gordon got over his problem with this change

[@jeremiahsisaias8677]

By roasting Flying Scotsman. 🔥😂

[@Bobsburgers123]

i find it really interesting on andrew brenner wrote this ep. he either just gave up know how the show was going down hill or it was overhalled by a new team making it bwba - fied

[@D10Studios235]

@@Bobsburgers123 huh, I just noticed that!

[@kristiancutler6299]

Maybe Skarloey’s worst episode will be next but we all know what his worst episode is.

[@cadenthethomasexpert1379]

Push Me, Pull You. That Episode Is Bull💩

[@NitroIndigo]

I like to imagine that Skarloey and Rheneas have dementia in the HiT model era.

[@joshuaW5621]

Gordon is acting exactly like people who hate BWBA in this episode.

[@jeremiahsisaias8677]

He's speaking FACTS.

[@arthurengine]

At the end in the LEGO scene, I heard Chuck from Budgie the Little Helicopter. But as awful as Forever and Ever was, I wouldn't call it Gordon's worst episode. That dishonour would go to Bust My Buffers.

[@Avery_Productions]

Bust my buffers has a good scene with Thomas and Gordon though

[@arthurengine]

@@Avery_Productions But Salty said "An engine isn't an engine without buffers".

[@KTWhatsup]

@@arthurengine And...? That's it?

[@arthurengine]

@@KTWhatsup Duke? Bertram?

[@KTWhatsup]

@@arthurengine Ah, I see.

[@FormerlyJackLikesTrains]

The Worst Thomas Episode is Definitely “Don’t go Back” I think that’s what the episode is called.

[@Zombiehunter2_0]

If you're talking about the one where Thomas and Diesel race backwards and crash into Mavis, Arry, and Bert, then you're remembering correctly.

[@ryanfuller912]

Wonky Whistle is

[@cadenthethomasexpert1379]

Both Are

[@Tugsboi47]

Don’t go back wasn’t that bad compared to wonky whistle and up up and away

[@KTWhatsup]

@@Zombiehunter2_0 So, isn't that technically a Thomas AND Diesel episode? What about the worst Thomas solo episode?

[@TakealongEdward]

Ok the scene where Gordon throws a tantrum was a bit funny but why Gordon just why one of my most favourite characters just why. Oh I know why Mattel thinks the franchise is for babies when it's not!.

[@joshuaW5621]

It is technically predominantly aimed at a preschool audience, no offence to fellow Thomas fans, I’m just trying to state facts here.

[@TakealongEdward]

@@joshuaW5621 Actually... It was created for all ages as the creator made it so everyone could enjoy it then when Hit took over then Mattel brought the franchise they were good from 2013-2017 with movies and episodes until 2018 when it went back down that hill then one day a god f**king awful day in 2020 it... Yeah you know what happened. (What I meant all by this is Mattel didn't understand the franchise)

[@joshuaW5621]

@@TakealongEdward I know Thomas is for everyone, but it’s still mainly aimed at preschoolers. There’s a reason it aired on Nick Jr as early as season 5.

[@terencewilliammckenna6121]

They should also fix the 7-berth shed to 6 berths in the adventure begins

[@Avery_Productions]

I think the only 2 bad Gordon episodes are this episode and Gordon gets the giggles which I think is the least amount of bad episodes of any main cast member or at least tied with James. Gordon has some mid episodes such as in S5 or S6 but there not bad compared to these episodes

[@angryrailfan4501]

There is another worse Gordon episode. Gordon Gets The Giggles

[@mee_is_sus]

4:50 Bro predicted all engines go 💀

[@CakeKingYT]

YEEEEES! My FAVOURITE series on this channel! I hate Forever & Ever merely for the fact that Nia just tells Gordon to suck up the changes, and that Henry was written out in the span of, like, what? *1 MINUTE?!* And the *MOST* baffling fact is that this was *SOMEHOW* written by non-other than Andrew Brenner!!!

[@joshuaW5621]

It’s likely Mattel’s fault that the episode sucks so much.

[@CakeKingYT]

@@joshuaW5621 Yeah true

[@nicholetheotter1957]

More like Brenner being hit with the anvil that is called “Executive Meddling”.

[@CakeKingYT]

@@nicholetheotter1957 Yeah, he probably had it way different but then Mattel made him change it in the 11th hour

[@mintychustarclan7381]

I Saw the tantrum scene and I actually found it hilarious. along with Gordon's reactions I've had yet to watch the whole episode

[@iaskenti1656]

I really do hate the last scene of the episode. Gordon was too stubborn and not actual elegant character in the RWS. However, considering what coming after Brenner's resistance leave, this episode can be the one of the best episodes from Brenner's heart. The captalism and business exploting from the RWS contents started obviously since 2018, but in the behind the scenes, this trend may have started before, maybe in 2014. Brenner shows his anger and his genuine respect to the RWS, he warned what Matel policy team was trying to do.

[@thusgordonplot4721]

They don’t even make references to how James crashed into the shed

[@karenfan010]

hot take that’s probably going to make some people angry but: I think nitrogen gordon is better then brenner gordon.

[@joshuaW5621]

If we start calling the Miller era Nitrogen, I feel it also makes sense to call the Brenner era the Arc era (if you want).

[@thusgordonplot4721]

The “confusion and delay” phrase is stupid

[@Remnant09]

At least the Nitrogen era had respect for its’s characters. Here, Nia is telling Gordon to suck it up and move on. It would have made more sense if Edward or Henry came to do this but nope.

[@joshuaW5621]

Well at least BWBA kept Edward and Henry in character.

[@tonybusch8771]

Guess what really does matter is that, unless we take this whole Mattel company down and out somehow, they’re gonna keep treating Gordon like this until he eventually blows his stack on everything and everyone.

[@gilbertmartinez57]

You should also do Flatbeds of Fear and Saving Time!

[@duckrails3790]

We’re not questioning why Gordon has red coaches when you had to guess him?

[@EwanFanstudios]

I Love Gordon The Big Engine

[@tonybusch8771]

Me Too, but only when he acts like a kind and caring friend towards the other engines.

[@sammyclark4992]

I honestly don't have a problem with Edward and Henry moving out, but what I do have a problem with, at least with Henry moving out, is that they never brought up the reason why. Like I know that Henry was never supposed to leave Tidmouth and it was said why Henry wanted to move to Vicarstown in the Still the Best of Friends short, but not actually the reason why he wanted to move there. Of course now it's assumed/implied because he takes freight trains to the Mainland but they could've addressed that in the episode. I don't really dislike the BWBA era, but the extra minute and a half that was cut off from the episodes during this time really affected a lot of episodes that needed that extra time for more dialogue. Even a little exchange from Gordon asking Henry why he's moving that goes something like this: Gordon: why are you leaving? Henry: to be closer to my work. Gordon: oh word? Okay I take that personally. Time to make a fool out of myself. Could've made the episode maybe not good but at least slightly better than how it turned out. Either way, this episode doesn't really make me mad. In fact a lot of the worst episodes you've covered I actually really like for some stupid reason. Apart from Panicky Percy, that episode sucks and so does this one. But I kind of just find enjoyment out of questioning the crap that goes on in episodes like that as opposed to dunking on them. Not that there's anything wrong with dunking on them, I'm just that one guy that doesn't get mad at even the worst episodes in my eyes.

[@Trickshotter]

This is might be the worst episode of the entire show, this episode is just a big middle finger to the fans about big changes happening and that they can do nothing to stop it

[@terencewilliammckenna6121]

Mystery on how STH met Nia

[@joshuaW5621]

When he came back offscreen.

[@supermaily4930]

Bro and they got rid of Rebecca for all engines go like WHAT WAS THE POINT OF HAVING HER I mean I like Rebecca they could have done something but like come on that's was just a waste of a good cgi model

[@CTTE06]

4:49 god this scene is so brainrotting i cant

[@NitroIndigo]

What's up with the audio in this episode? There's so much noise. Are all BWBA episodes like this?

[@sebastianjosephthethomasfa7702]

I thought it was going to be Gordon gets the Giggles but still this one is pretty bad

[@D10Studios235]

@@sebastianjosephthethomasfa7702 I had to watch both of these to see which one was worse, Gordon Gets The Giggles is just annoying and listening to Gordon’s VA laugh is kinda funny tbh. But I can see when you come from that episode sucks.

[@sebastianjosephthethomasfa7702]

@@D10Studios235 I know but The giggles episode is kinda funny in the US Version also also the reason why I said that was because I heard some people saying that the episode was just Gordon going insane I was on the same level as them but after watching this Video I think I prefer Gordon gets the Giggles then this....

[@jeremiahsisaias8677]

​@@D10Studios235Lets agree that Kerry Shale had a fun time voicing Gordon in "Gordon gets the giggles". 😂💙

[@Wik94]

Suggesstion for donald and douglas' worst episode: Emily in the middle In this episode, twins are constantly arguing during hauling pipes with emily and blaming eachother for causing crash.

[@kinyongallashaw7514]

I feel like Gordon in this episode represent us as fans and our reactions. Edward and Henry being written out. Not only that I feel like Mattel also represents nia In this because they just lazily preach out the moral and nia basically tells Gordon to suck it up. And it’s such a terrible choice and I forgot to mention nia is like Mattel because as they were the ones and they made their own decision to make Edward and Henry written out of the show, but I know the reason why and I want to make one thing clear I Don’t have any prejudice against female characters taking over the male characters nor diversity But if Mattel wants to do that that’s fine, but they need to do it in a respectful way. And make the diversity respectful, and don’t make blatant stereotypes that are borderline racist, and They don’t have to throw away our loved characters and then Lie of fans saying Saying that there are part of the show, but in actuality, they’re not and just like that Thomas is gone no way they make themselves marketable. Thomas has already done the water because Mattel’s hubris Let all engines go rose from it, and it was an atrocity.

[@cadenthethomasexpert1379]

I Never Thought Of That.

[@joshuaW5621]

How was it Nia’s fault that Edward moved out? Also he and Henry still appeared in the show.

[@kinyongallashaw7514]

Mattel just wanted those good boy brownie points that way they could get nice of headlines in sales, but of course that didn’t go to plan so when they’re always rumours about Thomas, it’s not having enough girl characters that’s why they got rid of Edward and Henry and all of it nia in the movie was alright here, however, in the show she feels so out of place Because the only thing that she says, and then just makes her stand out is that she is from Africa, that’s it nothing else she was only made to be Diversity tick on a checklist quoted by unlucky Tug but I don’t dislike nia for replacing Edward Mattel want you to think they still do appear, but from like season 23 to season 24, they only just have cameos or non-speaking roles and that’s really it and the only problem with nia Is that she’s just a Mary Sue, no character development and that’s it and there was some good development in an episode where she struggles to read English letters and then has an accident because of that sound like a good concept. But It turns into Immediate sludge That only teaches babies how To count to 10 every time with a had a chance to give nia a good character, development and squander it And Henry appears in panicky Percy with one scene where he has no line of dialogue, and that’s it, but for Edward, he appears in some quick panning shot when you cannot even see him properly, so that shot was the only appearance for Edward in the entirety of the season, but how can bulgy get a whole episode to himself on season 23 and Henry and Edward can’t even get dialogue just how?! I’ll never understand the thought process of this. I personally think that Mattel told all the writers not to use them. What’s the deal? What is the deal if they were going to push background characters in lead roles were they intentionally trying to forget them because that is what it felt like

[@joshuaW5621]

@@kinyongallashaw7514 at least they still appeared at all, unlike BoCo, Murdoch or Molly.

[@nicholetheotter1957]

@@joshuaW5621Because Mattel wanted those “woke brownie points” from the SJWs by shoehorning in new female main characters, to the point Nia and Rebecca lack personality and most of the writing with them is centered around them being female.

[@thusgordonplot4721]

I actually like Nia

[@KTWhatsup]

Same, but I can definitely see why people hate her and Rebecca. I don't hate on Mary Sue characters, I'm just either okay or, eh about them.

[@nicholetheotter1957]

The problem is that because they were written as Mary Sues introduced for the purpose of being shoehorned for gender balance and pushing a political statement, Nia and Rebecca are without a doubt the most controversial characters in the whole series. If Mattel wanting to cater to the SJWs didn’t influence their introduction, they likely would have had better reception by the fandom.

[@terencewilliammckenna6121]

Should’ve fixed the error of edward at Tidmouth sheds in JBS and BWBA

[@Driftking0311]

I didn’t expect that Gordon had the worse than Henry, and yea I get why he was upset but like he didn’t have to be a big baby and do other dumb stuff. I think Gordon in the model era did great. Cgi also did good, but not as good as BWBA era.

[@andrewstahle81]

What about the worst Thomas spot light episode ever.

[@marlocroft4779]

Can you make a rant on all engines go because it ruins the original thomas.

[@user-js5zw8tl8n]

I like how your living in a apartment at the sodor trading co. I hope bill and ben don't cause you issues.

[@thusgordonplot4721]

I prefer the 6-berthed Tidmouth sheds

[@flyingkipperproductions3]

gumball and darwin at the beginning though