Forget Oleksandr Usyk, This "Weak Era" Dubois is Levels Above Ali and Foreman ... Fight Film Study

[@FightFilms]

All whining, insults and non-argument will be taken as a concession. If you believe I am wrong, provide the argument that convinced you Ali's era fighters were the best. If you can't, all you got is blind faith, and you're part of a cult.

[@FightFilms]

You should try watching that video. Man, some of you guys suck.

[@reverselee3218]

@@FightFilms He obviously didn't watch that video🤣🤣

[@kriswoodward7623]

Yes fighters were smaller back in the days of Ali. But let’s look at Ali, foreman, Norton, Holmes, Frazier and shavers etc, like these guys were killers on their day, yes Frazier was small for a heavyweight but his style would be comparable to Tyson’s and he would have a field day with an AJ or Dubois. But in saying that fighters clearly evolve, take Ali v Usyk, Usyk would give any fighter in any HW era nitemares but I also reckon someone like Frazier in his prime would be a problem for Usyk, it swings in roundabouts, I think every era has its great moments and fighters, and we should just appreciate them instead of putting much purchase on comparing them!!

[@kungfubrandon6886]

​@@kriswoodward7623😂

[@kriswoodward7623]

@@kungfubrandon6886 cmon then you idiot, give me some constructive criticism instead of saying nothing with a wee smiley face, something a child would do!!

[@happy1945-x8k]

Back then, none of them faced southpaws they was very rare. So them facing Usyk with his skill and stance he'd be devastating in all era's.

[@mathematics557]

Lol Michael Moore was a southpaw and got slept by David Tua in a couple seconds relax.

[@livingbeing1113]

Yep, that's why Wlad's resume is at the top, he faced a lot of southpaws and destroyed them too.

[@Severloh1944]

Absolutely brilliant topic. I grew up watching Tyson, Bowe, Lewis and Holyfield. I remember constantly hearing that those guys couldn't compete with previous era's. Now history is repeating and the same old narrative's are being used. The fact is boxer's have evolved and gotten bigger. Add to that people forget the poor opposition they faced back in the day.

[@yhg519]

yup

[@sothis1448]

It's true, 90's heavyweights were greater boxers than modern heavyweights.

[@robertbaker1893]

Crazy to think that Usyk, the "blown up middleweight" was 4 lbs heavier in this fight than "Big George Foreman" was against Ali.

[@kungfubrandon6886]

😂

[@modernguitarist1992]

No one actually calls Usyk a blown up middleweight except Fury.

[@importantvideos4529]

​@@modernguitarist1992They do... Firys fanboys do as well.

[@robertdavis100]

is it modern ped's?

[@kungfubrandon6886]

@@robertdavis100 he's the same height as them 4lbs isn't crazy

[@sr2340]

Bro truly you’re the most honest voice in KZbin boxing. And no one does it rationally like you. This video is spot on

[@FightFilms]

Thank you for the kind words!

[@reverselee3218]

Most of Ali's opponents wouldn't have fought further than Cruiserweight today. Many of them were literally light heavyweights.

[@modernguitarist1992]

Foreman 6'3 220, Norton 6'3 215-220 lbs, Bugner 6'4, 220 lbs, Liston about 215 lbs

[@reverselee3218]

@modernguitarist1992 Usyk in his first 2 fights after leaving Cruiserweight: 215 and 217

[@livingbeing1113]

@@modernguitarist1992 Yeah, and those would all be cruisers today. Guys like Huck, Briedis, Gassiev, Cunningham, Lebedev, Dorticos, Opetaia and such are as big as those guys, and they would destroy them too.

[@modernguitarist1992]

@@livingbeing1113 Um No. Foreman was 6'3 and 220 lbs. Bigger than Breidis, Huck, Cunningham, Opetaia etc. And he hit way harder than any of them. Remember that Foreman was named by Evander Holyfield as the man who hit him the hardest. On what planet is Breidis or Gassiev bigger than Foreman? Or Liston who had an 84 inch reach and was 215 lbs?

[@NickyMetropolis1313]

Back then even heavyweights didn't try to come in as big as possible. Different standard. But even if, was George Foreman a bigger human being than David Haye? Yes he was. And David Haye a natural CW with a smaller frame than most heavyweights still carried massive power at 210lbs. We've seen Middleweights, light heavyweights and cruisers all come up to heavyweight and compete if not win titles. Marciano nowadays would simply be a 2 weight division champion legend rather than just a heavyweight. Let alone Foreman who one punch KOd 26 yr old world champions until age 45.

[@waynetowers5046]

I was at the Usyk Vs. Dubois fight in Poland and its worth noting that the ring canvas was soaking wet because of the rain. I was about 80-100 yards away from ringside. Sure, it was sunny, over 30°C during the day, it started to rain about two fights before the main event, the roof over the ring didn't hang over the ring by much & it sure as hell wasn't sealed in a way to prevent rain fall from getting through. This affected both fighter's footwork on the night.

[@BernhardBernard]

Nobody mentions this. The fight sounded like a basketball game

[@FightFilms]

But they'll tell you all day how the African heat impacted the two Africans.

[@irm613]

Finally someone says it. For me this "old era" superiority makes no sense. Just based on raw numbers of competing athletes worldwide, we have way more then ever. And defence has gotten better, so fights look more boring, but somehow thats considered weak.

[@livingbeing1113]

It never made any sense, just americans and the western world gatekeeping their overrated, overhyped domestic eras. Supposedly boxing is the only sport that not only didn't progress, but got even worse! Bunch of nonsense, modern boxers would destroy the old timers.

[@tonywebb2827]

Yeh some evolution to Wilder Ruiz Whyte Joshua Zhang Joyce 😅

[@irm613]

@tonywebb2827 Joshua would be a decent contender at any era.

[@QuisQuis855]

​@@irm613The Same men who went a streak of Getting Knocked The Fuck Out For 4 Years now bouta 5

[@deyvidpetromusic]

I said that I thought the only people Usyk would struggle against would have been Vitali and Lewis the rest he beats quite candidly. I got a load of abuse for it lol.

[@TheRadivoje]

Oliver McCall in his prime would be problem.

[@freedom4life123]

I actually believe usyk would have beat lewis quite comfortably. Styles make fights and usyks style is completely wrong for lewis.

[@livingbeing1113]

Wladimir and Vitali would be the toughest. Then possibly Lewis, although he avoided southpaws like the plague, and a primed Mike Tyson.

[@waynetowers5046]

Growing up as a young kid in 1980s England, I got into watching Boxing and Formula 1, mostly F1, but Boxing was still a must watch. Watched a lot of the older fights & I got drawn into the "fact" that George Foreman was a monster in size who towered above all of his opponents. Funny how when you look back & notice that Foreman was the same weight & more or less had the same reach as Usyk, 79" & 78" respectively. Yet, somehow Usyk is a little Middleweight. Still, let's also acknowledge that Fury was 50lbs heavier, to put into perspective, that's like a Flyweight fighting a Super Middleweight. Which is impressive in its own right.

[@anul6801]

Exactly and Ali was the same size as Foreman but they made it sound like he was the master matador fighting the big bull. In reality it was a fast guy winning over a slow guy.

[@FightFilms]

There was a lot of hype and excitement in the HW division back then. Hopefully we keep getting these great fights now.

[@phantomfantom]

Brilliant and eye-opening analysis by Fight Film! I grew up listening to Cassius Clay fight on the radio late at night, past my bedtime. Amazing how we were all bamboozled into thinking this brash kid with a motormouth was the Second Coming in boxing. Yes, he had fast hands, and compared to the other behemoths, he appeared to dance around them... but watching him lumbering his way against Foreman was revealing! And along came Ken Norton, who had savvy and defensive skills as well - so, he broke Ali's jaw...

[@waynetowers5046]

Ali would take so much punishment to tire his opponents, Usyk tires his opponents by making them work, throw and miss & make them follow him (or chase) around the ring. Even in the rounds he doesn't win, he makes the opponents work immensely hard for them. Very, very different styles.

[@JAYFD2929]

You clearly have not seen Ali pre-1970. He was and still is the fastest heavyweight I have ever seen, fast hands and fast feet, and other fighters could hardly land a punch on him. He was way faster and more elusive than Usyk.

[@FightFilms]

Henry Cooper knocked him out in 1966.

[@waynetowers5046]

@@JAYFD2929 I didn't say he wasn't fast & elusive pre-1970, I said he relied too on taking punishment to tire out his opponents, Usyk doesn't. He was 32 when he fought Foreman, taking that punishment, Usyk is almost 38 and he moves way better than a 32 year old Ali. Not saying who is better than who, I'm saying Usyk has been consistently impressive, fast and elusive his entire career, even against Fury 2.

[@10MM-MAGAMAN-420]

Literally what the dope a rope style is 😂😂😂, take a beating and hope for the best !

[@minispy9770]

​@@FightFilms No he knocked him down lmao

[@chrisa8044]

It’s the same in most combat sports. These old heads can’t accept the fact that the newer generation of fighters are levels above the older ones.

[@QuisQuis855]

Parry Slips Fancy doesn't mean better I can tell you all never boxed in your Worthless lifes

[@GNBcorporal]

Fury is a great fighter who could measure up to all the greats. Usik beating him twice now makes him an all time great

[@kungfubrandon6886]

He was one before or do you mean at hw?

[@DanteSlappedyouwithfacts]

Fury got dropped by cunningham hes not even a power puncher ,dempsey would desteoy this era ,let alone ali,james j jeffries beat 7 hall of famers ,ali would run this era ,its only aj usyk ,fury is no threat to anyone, valuev went 12 with holyfield and valuev has a better career then fury

[@freedom4life123]

Fury is far from great and doesnt have the resume to prove it, he is average at best with a size and reach advantage and if it were not for this nobody would know who he was.

[@GNBcorporal]

@@freedom4life123 ok then usik is a nobody who beat a bunch of overrated bums it can’t be both. Fury is not just a tall guy he is an excellent boxer with great speed and reflexes. And regarding his resume. What names is he missing AJ? He has fought most of the best in his time

[@livingbeing1113]

@@freedom4life123 Fury's resume smokes guys like Frazier's, Norton's, Liston's and many many others, not to mention Fury fought actual heavyweights, not blown up light-heavyweights and middleweights.

[@mikestock1848]

And this ladies and gentlemen is why you just let the past stay in the past and don't compare eras I know you think boxing is the only sport that hasn't evolved, but it has and in a big way, but if we really analyse the past eras there were many holes in their game that could be exploited Lets just say, in each era we had greats for their time, with what we understood about boxing and sports science and ahem.....scientific enhancement

[@FakuaBlock]

I like this approach, a lot of glazing for the past years. People need to stop talking about stuff that they haven't watched much of. Plenty of questionable decisions for the guys people big up from Frazier, Ali, Holmes etc...

[@NickyMetropolis1313]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Usyk get a questionable decision over Dubois? Aren't people going to debate if that was a low blow or not for the next 20 years? Of course they're going to. All great fighters who stick around eventually are victimized by bad decisions and also get the benefit of the doubt of bad decisions. Many people thought John McDermott beat Fury in the first fight. Many people thought Castillo beat Mayweather in the first fight if I'm not mistaken. So what are you saying exactly?

[@QuisQuis855]

​@@NickyMetropolis1313Exactly Trying to find any reason to belittle the Older Gen Which Were tougher more Skilled Faster and Stronger (Arguably more Healthy to.)

[@QuisQuis855]

AJ held his chin high got Knocked out Furry is a embarrassment Usyk is basic by Old time Standards and Dubois Isn't even a all time Great He got Knocked out Cold Twice.

[@ianmcdougall4930]

How have I never seen someone break it down so simply like this? You're absolutely right. The rose tint is Heavy.

[@thycircle79]

I freaked myself out, I realised I was spending far too much time watching videos of men, comparing other men, I went outside in the howling wind and rain and dug a huge hole, I've come back inside, and I'm at it again, arghhh!! Great analysis Precise!! Grace and peace ( oh, all the best in 25 pal)

[@FightFilms]

Have a blessed 2025!

[@ghostsales]

3:15 You probably refering to Ziggy Pietrzykowski from Poland who won 2 out of 3 rounds with Ali on the Olympics.

[@FightFilms]

Well, that small guy arguably drew Ali, but Igor Vysotsky toyed with him in a exhibition. A past prime Ali, but still.

[@QuisQuis855]

​@@FightFilmsBro finding any excuse to belittle Ali Your arguably his biggest hater.

[@Divinemakyr]

Foreman went 31-3 after 10 years of retirement, got 26 knockouts, and won 4 title fights, enough said.

[@irm613]

Dude was tough and had good punch, but his defence was terrible.

[@Divinemakyr]

@@irm613 Yet went 31-3 with 26 knockouts as an old man and won 4 title fights

[@irm613]

@@Divinemakyr that is impressive i admit, but he didn't clean out the division or beat any big names, like holyfeild, tyson, lewis

[@Divinemakyr]

@@irm613 No but he beat Moorer who beat Holyfield.

[@FightFilms]

Do you think it's wise to mention modern Foreman when judging the Golden Era Foreman? you act as if time didn't exist.

[@alanwgp2813]

Those days, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Norton, Holmes are all from America. Today, it is more global, so we are getting better fighters from a larger pool.

[@QuisQuis855]

George Foreman beat 3 Russian Soviet Styles boxer One of them caught on Footage Even tho it was the Olympics You still can't say it wasn't Global I know either of you Ever boxed Ever.

[@Nsgs_]

Keep in mind this was during the night in Zaire Africa where it was reported that the temperature was 100 degrees fahrenheit

[@FightFilms]

Lmao. It was in the mid 80's. the myths just keep growing.

[@Nsgs_]

@ ok but that’s still hot, 80 degrees and humid. Anyone would be exhausted in those conditions

[@sportstalkonly1442]

@@FightFilms how would you know what the temperature was?

[@livingbeing1113]

Both Ali and Foreman didn't jump from North America to Zaire overnight, they stayed there for weeks if not more than a month before the fight, getting used to the climate. Then of course there's the treatment Foreman received compared to Ali, but that's another story.

[@jakusthekingpakus1]

Few things. One is that being great isn't about being the best, it's about achievements and legacy in and even out of the ring. Like Jared Anderson could beat Rocky Marciano blindfolded but he's not greater than him because he hasn't achieved 1% of what Rocky achieved. So I think even if you think the fighters were terrible back then you still have to respect them as greats. Second thing is that Ali was past his prime in the Rumble, his legs were never the same after his comeback. If you watch his fights before 67 you'll see he is much more illusive and his fights aren't just rock'em sock'em robots style. Third thing is that people go way overboard when talking about past fighters. I saw a poll (I think from the modern martial artist) a few months back and the vast majority of people thought that Ali - the guy who would regularly go the distance vs 190lb fighters - would KO Usyk in 6 rounds. I think there is a point to be made that because the fighters were so active back then they were more crafty and experienced than most modern fighters but on the whole I definitely think the sport is improving (I'd back a lot of the 90's fighters to do well in the modern era mind you). With Usyk it's especially egregious because most the guys back then had barely fought any southpaws let alone one who's 6"3, 221lbs, with incredible footwork, unmatched ring IQ, a relentless engine, great technique, a varied offence, an iron chin, and nigh impregnable defence. I love Ali and he's my goat but I don't even think him vs Usyk would be particularly competitive.

[@livingbeing1113]

The Ali from 1974 in the RITJ was just as fast as the 60s one, he prepared for months like he never did before or after. It was Ali at his very best, bigger, stronger, more experienced and just as fast as his 60s version. The footage doesn't lie, he's just as quick as before, both hands and feet, but Foreman was too good at cutting him off and closing in rapidly. Ali in the 60s is all hype. He faced literally no one, all his opponents were smaller outside of can crusher, super slow Liston. The reason he struggled in the 70s is because the competition was much tougher, and his new opponents could match him physically. Ali himself said the same after his loss to Frazier. He said his 60s version would've gotten knocked out, he was not strong and experienced enough back then.

[@QuisQuis855]

​@@livingbeing1113First off Sony liston Arguably hit Harder Than George Foreman said by Forman in 4 different Interviews 2 your a delusional Hater 3 Ali best was between the night he beat liston or 1967 simple now close it Hater.

[@QuisQuis855]

​@@livingbeing1113Also your calling The likes of Floyd Patterson Henry Cooper a bum Let alone Liston Then he faced Terrel who was a 5 streak wins please 😂

[@bnutz9050]

Great video. Keep it up. I used to listen to old heads talk about Rocky Marciano and Joe Louis being a unstoppable force that cant be beat. Nothing has changed.

[@plamendimitrov4068]

That's what i tell people and they look at me like i am crazy or stupid...Boxing has evolved and developed as anything should...

[@yungbane6625]

Norton had close fights with Ali, Holmes beat Norton... you know I'm wondering if you think Dubois stands a chance with Foreman, Ali, Holmes, Norton, etc? or even moving forward with Lennox Lewis, Tyson, and Holyfield? Remember Dubois tends to take a knee when things get tough, got dropped 3 times by Lerena in opening round. Wondering how you think he fairs in the 70's and 90's

[@FightFilms]

This improved Dubois beats them all IMO. They would not stand up to a 245lb puncher with that leaky defense, and the kid moves better than most of them.

[@СашаІванов-л5ц]

Dubois would have finished Foreman in two rounds. A couple of big punches to the head and little George would have been out of the ring. Foreman has never fought a 110+ modern heavyweight. His fights with Moorer and Holyfield, a light heavyweight and cruiser, say nothing about his punching power.

[@KirillKornilich]

​@@FightFilmsthey did not use legs, more like a street fight)

[@yungbane6625]

@@FightFilms 70s era sure but you think Dubois beats all of the 90s era too? This is one of the most unique boxing takes I’ve seen before haha, I’m not sure how Dubois beats Holyfield and Lewis, and based on Dubois mindset of giving up, I’m not sure how he wethers the storm of a Tyson either… Usyk would do amazingly in any era but I think Dubois biggest hindrance is his mindset

[@QuisQuis855]

​@FightFilm Dumbass never boxes

[@VDViktor]

Woah dude, you’re speaking common sense and we dont like it in boxing community 😂

[@arthurarsekey6634]

People look back through rose tinted glasses. The reason Wilder Fury 3 was such an entertaining fight was that they were both equally shit but trying to take each others heads off, which is kind of like the past "greats". The Lewis era was far better than the preceding ones, but he was constantly criticised throughout his career. There are few sports that performance hasnt improved in and boxing is absolutely no exception. Usyk most likely beats them all.

[@terrelldawkins8561]

You should definitely do more videos like this. That so called “Strong Era” needs to be called out.

[@anul6801]

I would pay him for it. If he do a Hughie Fury vs Ali comparison video i would give him 100 dollars

[@FightFilms]

Are you trolling?

[@kungfubrandon6886]

​@@FightFilms nah he wants mire vids like this😂

[@anul6801]

@@FightFilms no. Lets make it happen! And Dont forget Hughie Fury is called "shades of Ali"

[@observationsofayogi]

Brooo, I thought I was watching Ali v foreman on slow mo there! It’s so poor it looks fake. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was actually, lol

[@velagod4347]

I think this era is strong I think Usyk is just such a massive talent that Tim Bradley and that are jealous and almost sick on how easy he beats fighters so much bigger than himself, wlad’s era was pretty awful though, In this era ironically the most overrated and overhyped was the American heavyweight who was massively protected and fought left overs from the wlad era and got exposed when ever he stepped up apart from when he fought an ancient luis Ortiz.

[@10MM-MAGAMAN-420]

Tim has CTE

[@mateuszliese1059]

Usyk is a beast. I may be wrong but I think he is in highly competitive fights with the 90s up to 2010 heavyweight era. But who knows maybe Usyk blows them all away. I was thinking Usyk ploughs through fury with a ko. PS the 2000 era I mostly mean the Kitchkos. Usyk vs Ibeabuchi would have been a fun fight.

[@johnny_truth]

Foreman’s technique got much better down the road. I think he used something called cross arm defense with success. He looked sloppy in this fight

[@FightFilms]

He did improve and I think he should be ranked above Ali atg.

[@stevenskliros9608]

It's not like Fury, Joshua, Dubois etc are weak opponents, Usyk is just better technically and he has the smarts, mentally, confidence. He reads his opponent like a book. Great chin too. He's just so far ahead it's not funny.

[@mathematics557]

Interesting take. While I do agree that the fundamentals of boxing has significantly evolved overtime. You must take into account that the Muhammad Ali that fought George Foreman wasn't him at his prime. That was a Ali that wasn't as sharp due to his 3 1/2 year lay off. Look at Ali's fights with Zora Folley and Cleveland Williams amongst other fights before the 1970s. You'll see him doing faints, level changes, utilizing angles, working his jab, counter punching etc. He did have quite a few technical flaws, however one thing that can't be overlooked is Ali's IQ. Ali was known to have great IQ to the point that he was able to overcome boxers that stylistically should of been his Kryptonite, such as Joe Frazier and Ken Norton. Yet was able to pull off victories over them, despite not being at his best like he was in the 1960s. As far as George Foreman goes he's considered one of the greatest heavyweights of all time for a reason. While predominantly known for his immense strength and durability, he to has fundamentals that's overlooked and underrated. Foreman was very good at taking a person's best asset, whether that would be a left hook or if you're known as a fighter that comes forward, he would keep you on the heels of your feet to prevent you from generating a certain amount of power as well as keeping an opponent off balance. He's shown this technique in his fights with frazier and Evander Holyfield. What's even more interesting that he manage to pull this off with Holyfield, is that Foreman at this time is 2 decades removed from his prime yet was still fighting at a championship level. Able to contend with some of the best heavyweights of the 1990s an era that's highly regarded to some as the best era of boxing. So I wouldn't go as far as to say they had no technique base off of one fight, cause one could use the same merit with Tyson Fury. Who I believe has good technique but if you were to judge him based on his third fight with Wilder you could say the same thing that he had zero technique as a fighter, which of course would be nonsense. Styles makes fights as we know, and sometimes the adjustments a fighter has to make may not necessarily look as fundamentally refined at times. But great video and I'm actually a new subscriber to the channel 💯💯.

[@FightFilms]

Thank you! I have a vid coming on the Williams fight.

[@TA-kz1jc]

True. Chess vs checkers. This always the problem when comparing across eras in any sport. Newer players are more scientific in approach, eat better, in better shape, and have all of the past data to evolve from. This is why GOAT discussions need to have objective metrics/merits as you said.

[@BernhardBernard]

I love how everyones reason for Usyk not being able to deal with 60s-90s fighters is Usyk's seconds fight at heavyweight against a 260 lb pressure fighter... If that same Chisora fought the Usyk of right now, Usyk would smoke him.

[@FightFilms]

This is no knock on the old guys, as the art of boxing evolved a lot, but they would be journeymen, today. Ali would not be taking these punches from 250lb sharp shooters. Fat Andy would eat him up inside late.

[@FakuaBlock]

@@BernhardBernard triangular theories don't work in boxing. What is an easy fight for one guy might not be for the next guy even if these two guys are of a similar skill level. Chisora is just a tricky unorthodox guy, its not even me saying he's an elite or our era. If little Spinks was tricky for Ali I would imagine Delboy would cause issues for Ali too.

[@Chriscueva]

Usyk was injured for the Chisora bout

[@DanteSlappedyouwithfacts]

Frazier would do double what chisora did

[@artemboyko5913]

Usyk was injured, and he had covid before the fight, and he never said this right after the fight as an excuse. This info appeared much later, after 1st joshua fight.

[@Irish_qatari1982]

Great comparison and breakdown plus sight

[@Nova-mz9if]

Thank you bro people are so delusional when it comes to looking into the past eras. The amount of people deluding themselves that Usyk was just average in a weak era of HW is bullshit. He is THE greatest Cruiserweight of all time not Holyfield. That version of the CW division was the most talent stacked we have seen imo and Usyk dominated it going into everyones backyard.

[@dochvtech22]

Mike Tyson said we don’t want to admit it, but fighterS get better as time goes on.

[@yhg519]

Q

[@Confucius202]

That's funny, because I don't see one guy at heavyweight better than Mike Tyson.

[@skiddzjust1389]

all those guys from Ali's era would have been a problem for me, not for Usyk or Dubois, but hey, I'm just a warehouse operative

[@FightFilms]

I'd give ya a small chance.

[@importantvideos4529]

Wow. Some excellent points about the GOATS once the rose colored glasses are removed. Puts things into perspective

[@eltucanmistico6778]

It is like ali itself said when they asked him who would win between Marciano and him, he said that in marciano's era boxers did not move so much, they just traded punches while in his era boxing had evolved and the fighters had better technique, same thing in this era, boxer have an even a better technique, smarter and they are way bigger with an evolved science based workout to the point Usyk, who is the same height as Ali was, is really small compared with the rest of the heavyweight division. Thats why Dubois alone would be enough to stop those legends, we have to stop with that myth that things in the past were always better because it is not, we call it evolution, in 50 years we will have a better generation of boxers than the one we have right now.

[@MichaelCorleoneLFC]

Fantastic analysis bro . My hero the original Vegan slayer Carneval

[@3XXKeturah]

Friends, remember that hitting power comes from technique, timing and athleticism. The long history of the heavyweight division demonstrates that those of sheer size, extreme height and huge dimensions do not necessarily have the punching power of those of more modest size. What’s more, Carnera, Valuev, Fury et al., show how they tend to be significantly slower and make easy targets for boxers of talent and more modest dimensions; viz. for example, champions Oleksandr Usyk and the great Gene Tunney, the latter also being unbeaten at heavyweight. These facts show that making a “super-heavyweight” division at above 240-250 pounds and excluding those of less weight along the lines of the WBC’s Mauricio Sulaimán would deny the public many exciting contests. It seems Sulaimán is simply trying to make more dough through the commission received by the WBC, and would rob the sport and the fans of some of the best fights.

[@FightFilms]

You put Fury in with the likes of Carnera and Valuev. Nice psyop.

[@JohnnyB43]

Nice analysis & a lot of valid points made with examples given. Yeah, it is hard to say if it is a weak era at HW or not. . One huge problem of this era has been the matchmaking (and the constant recycling of opponents). So, the 3 champions (especially Wilder & Fury), really did not get tested at all. Not very good contenders (Dillian Shyte, Bumaine Stiverne, Breazeale, Eric Molina, Helenius) all got shots again and again, whilst actually dangerous contenders were left frozen out, with no fights, no experience and no money. . Often to get better & stronger, you need to come through adversity. But as the top 3 were not fighting each other, and as they also were not fighting dangerous contenders, they were not really improving that much - hence staying weak. In the case of Fury, he was strong, but being allowed to dodge good opponents allowed him to skimp on training and regularly turn up overweight & unconditioned. . Joshua at least did have some dangerous opponents - but his losses unfortunately made him weaker, not stronger [he never really did get over that KO loss to Ruiz, despite winning the rematch]. . Fury and Wilder were both enabled by the WBC, the media and their fans to just duck and duck and duck anyone who even had a pulse. Which not only stunted their growth, but stunted that of the division too. . And I am not against champions having fights against lower ranked opponents - not every fight has to be against an absolute killer. But that is if the fighter is fighting regularly - at least 2 or 3 times per year - not when they are fighting only 2 or 3 times per 2 years. . At least recently with the Saudi promoted fights we got to see a lot of good match ups and we got to see a lot of good HW contenders finally getting fights on the big stage. And we really got to see the results! Zhang and Parker easily beat Wilder. Dubois destroyed Joshua, Kabayel surprised, and Fury showed that he had no answers for Usyk [after finally being pretty much cornered into having to fight him]. . cheers! JB

[@anul6801]

Its like brawling vs fencing

[@nordicwarrior5014]

Dave Allen would be top 5 in Ali's era.

[@NickyMetropolis1313]

Now you're just being silly

[@nordicwarrior5014]

@@NickyMetropolis1313 no it's true.

[@NickyMetropolis1313]

@@nordicwarrior5014 imagine Dave Allen attempting to go 15 rounds lol I think we have some amazing fighters in this era including the fantastic Usyk. But this is also the era that had Lucas Browne win a world title. Deontay Wilder being a world champion for a decade with essentially one punch. We have Anthony Joshua being knocked out by a 300 lb fat man who was 5 in shorter. There are many great fighters in this division but just like every other division in every other era there's a lot of b*******. Dave Allen is what we would call a journeyman.

[@nordicwarrior5014]

@@NickyMetropolis1313 I can go 15 rounds. Pretty sure a modern pro can.

[@HitBattousai]

Usyk and Dubios might be a better technical fight than Ali vs Foreman, but I would not like either of their odds against either fighter and keep in mind this was not prime Ali. Foreman's power was overwhelming, he had a great chin, and despite the Ali fight his engine was good overall. Ali did not have the overwhelming foot speed he had at his best, but he had great stamina, toughness, and still was fast and sharp with his punches. Usyk might be the most technical HW in history but I don't believe that will matter when Foreman is all over him from the jump. He has the brute force to overwhelm that technique and Usyk doesn't hit hard enough to keep Foreman off of him. That Ali vs Usyk would be more interesting(prime Ali would just run circles around Usyk) but Ali's handspeed is not something that Usyk has had to deal with before so I see that being a competitive but clear Ali win by decision.

[@iqqyplaysgames]

No version of Usyk beats the version of Ali against Cleveland Williams. Ali at his absolute best beats Usyk at his absolute best, but Usyk has been more consistent. Usyk actually struggled and got dropped by smaller guys Breidis and Beterbiev.

[@FightFilms]

So the best version of Ali vs a bum vs amateur Usyk vs another great? Great evidence.

[@iqqyplaysgames]

@ Cleveland Williams was a top 4 contender at the time. You’re whole premise is watch the video, Usyk is way slower than prime Ali.

[@FightFilms]

Lmao!!!! you gave me a reason to make a video I had planned a long time ago. No offense, but YDKSAB. Stay tuned. it will be a great one!

[@СашаІванов-л5ц]

Stylistically, Ali is a typical Usyk "client" and will be beaten 9 out of 10 fights. It is harder for Usyk to fight people like Foreman. I mean style, not boxing level :D Usyk is a worse version of Lomachenko (weight and size make their own adjustments) in heavyweight. Watch the Lomachenko-Russell fight. The same would have happened with Ali. Approximately.

[@henrynwosu1]

Thank you so much. People spew nonsense and I still don’t see how that era was better. Fans like brawls with poor defence. Look at Fury v Wilder 3. Just brawling like they were fighting like a dog fight. I call BS to all the era claim. What we as fans want is more fights and less ducks

[@antonfedorchenko2313]

Congrats on views and engagement going up. Is this holidays, or Google improved their algorithms to bubble up quality content?

[@FightFilms]

No clue. Probably holidays. thanks!

[@modernguitarist1992]

Ali did not fight "mostly" older guys, lets actually look at his opponents, shall we? 1. Liston - 10 years older but had just won the championship and went unbeaten after Ali for another 4 years. 2. Patterson - 7 years older but still only 30 when they fought. Not an old man by any means. 3. Quarry - 3 years younger. 4. Bonavena - 2 years younger. 5. Frazier - 2 years younger 6. Bugner - 8 years younger 7. Norton - 1 year younger 8. Foreman - 7 years younger 9. Shavers - 2 years younger 10. Lyle - 1 year older Where is the mostly fought older guys again?

[@FightFilms]

i worded that poorly. the average age difference favored Ali, not Usyk. Weird you include Bugner but not Cooper.

[@antiliess]

Good video. Boxing advances like other sports, better training better peds more tapes to watch athletes are bigger etc…boxing is so filled up with people who view past eras with Rosy retrospection lol… almost nobody in mma are saying past eras were better.

[@BrainDamageComedy]

God bless you and yours - hope the homestead is thriving. we'll catch up on the other side brother, God willing. hope yer wee yins are bonny, ad infinitum. blessings to all.

[@FightFilms]

I really appreciate that! All good here, thank you. My best to you and yours.

[@BrainDamageComedy]

@@FightFilms 👍👍❤❤

[@bornlucky9564]

Oleksandr Usyk once of the BEST. I am wrong. I learn a lot on this video about boxing.

[@Wally-pu2hh]

My strategy is to just let him pound on me until he gets tired ? I thought a miss takes as much energy? You're right , rhis is really sloppy and not skillful compared to today

[@fsrsaa]

Boxers have devolved. Not evolved. Klitschko era was horrible. Klitschko was b level. He was KO’d by scrubs like Ross purity. Sanders. Brewster, in his prime. Fury been on his ass 10 times his defense sucks. Joshua KO’d by fat guys. Dubois Stopped repeatedly. Ali was old here. Fury looked real impressive on his back by feathefisted Cunningham. 🤣

[@FightFilms]

Because words and reasons

[@apologyman376]

Only in boxing, past eras are held to a high regard and are seen as unstoppable. In mma for example fans don't say chuck liddel will be a champion in today's era. Not even top 10. I myself have been saying this is the "Klitschko's leftovers" era for a while, but this doesn't mean Usyk isn't a ATG for being the man of today.

[@thefightscout]

those two brothers were WAY overrated. Vitaly's best opponent was Tomaz Adamek and Wlad's best opponents that he beat was a One Footed David Haye. (possibly one armed too)

[@apologyman376]

@thefightscout Still doesn't look good for this era, seeing as an "overrated old Klitschko" nearly knocked out Joshua and had Fury running in the fight.

[@iqqyplaysgames]

You picked a fight which took place in Africa with no Air conditioning when Ali was past his prime.

[@FightFilms]

that wasn't real socialism

[@HellenicCinema]

Excellent commentary my friend. Really enjoying these videos of “UH8N on Ali” (aka refuting the claim Usyk is not an ATG) The Emotionalism from fanboys in the comments is just a bonus

[@СашаІванов-л5ц]

14-08 - best moment of the fight - Foreman trying to throw jabs 😁

[@Proletariat-u8o]

Great video, well done.

[@FightFilms]

Thank you very much!

[@mikepeak8972]

The fighters today are just better. They just are.

[@ezequielstepanenko3229]

Just like in any other sport People love to romanticize past eras, as if the people of that time weren't human too.And with a little analysis anyone can realize that sports evolve, like all science, because the generations that come after them already have the knowledge of the previous ones to start with. It's simple logic, Apart from the fact that the quality of food, training, knowledge of the human body and medicine are also improved. And all of this helps to create better athletes.

[@FightFilms]

Yep. pretty logical

[@tonywebb2827]

@@FightFilmsso you obviously must think Brian Norman and boots are better than sugar Ray Leonard and Hearns 😂😂 Kambosas and Haney are better lightweights than Duran and Mosley, Jack Catterall is better than Oscar De La Hoya 😂 come on man you can just tell which fighters could beat anyone I think from like the 70s onwards but mainly the 80s onwards anyone could beat anyone from any era

[@TheRadivoje]

People get all dumb on HW and spec.of Don King era.Fixed fights,power pellets,dodgy judges from Ali to Holyfield vs Tyson.I like Joe Lewis and Walcott.Less show and more fighting.Ali was great fighter but to much fixed things and hype.

[@LeGioNnd]

I'm not a purist. Can Joshua or Usyk destroy the '70s greats? Absolutely. But they have a huge advantage in boxing knowledge, training methods and (the most important) sport nutrition over the old fighters. It's natural for a sport to evolve, to get better. A fighter should be compared to his competition, not to different eras.

[@СашаІванов-л5ц]

Fans of boxers of past eras always categorically declare that boxer X will defeat all today's boxers without problems, in one evening, with one left hand :) Because the old boxers were very skilled and their opposition was SUPER duper (as they said on one channel "Ali's opponents were only a killer killer and behind him another killer" about Ali's opposition :D)

[@FightFilms]

A) Yes of course. B) All of that went out the window when Ali was deemed GOAT, sorry. You HAVE TO compare them.

[@NickyMetropolis1313]

​@@FightFilmsYou have to look at what he did in context. Many people think Ali is the greatest of all time because he has several wins over Hall of Fame fighters and is the only three time lineal heavyweight champion. In 50 years there's going to be a different fighter and people will say he could beat Usyk. There really is no all time. A fighter is only in his own time. When you are judging a fighter, are you judging what he did in his own era and his own context or are you equalizing the playing field and imagining a fighter from the past is given the same advantages of current fighters? How are you judging era versus era?

[@vovakrivbass]

It's like comparing Bob Cousy and Kyrie Irvine. Saying that Kyrie Irvine is not even close to Bob Cousy because of "recency bias". 😂

[@kungfubrandon6886]

😂

[@mmpetrovich]

The argument about "limited talent pool" doesn't hold up. You regularly had boxers from Europe and South America competing at the highest levels in the '60s and '70s. The eras are different and skill levels change over time. But you really can't take boxers out of their eras and compare them; you should rather compare them with the competition they faced within their eras. Each era had incredible boxing talents, but I think you have to look at the level of competition and overall quality of fighters in that era. If you look at the year by year list of the top 20 contenders from the '60s, '70s and '80s, the overall level of the competition is much higher than what you see in the current era. There's a reason those periods are referred to as boxing's golden age. I believe this is what much of that conversation-- at least the honest conversation-- stems from. The current level of competition is just not as good, with a lack of quality heavyweights. This is why, like Evander Holyfield and Roy Jones, Jr. before him, a cruiserweight with good boxing skills like Usyk could move up and defeat the existing cadre of heavyweights. Fury, Joshua and Dubois were exposed by Usyk as overrated and their subsequent fights have only served to confirmed that verdict. If their careers ended today, Usyk would likely be the only fighter of this era that anyone will be talking about in decades to come. Fury, Joshua and Dubois will be nothing more than footnotes, except in the UK, of course, whose promoters are largely responsible for over-hyping them in the first place.

[@FightFilms]

Sure, but now you have Europe, South America, Asia, Cuba, Australia and the very dominant fighters from behind the iron curtain. Ali got a gift in a very close fight vs small Ziggy and Foreman robbed tiny Trela in the Olympics. Vysotsky toyed with Ali in an exhibition. The Cubans beat them all in the AMS. Saying "not true" to facts and evidence is not only dishonest, bit disrespectful. There is so much wrong in your opening statement, ICBF with anything else you say. Flawed my ass. try being honest and reasonable.

[@СашаІванов-л5ц]

"Strong" European boxers in Ali's record - Brian London - 91.4 kg 35-13 :D

[@DARKTIGGERinc]

These the same people who argue about the bulls vs the warriors. Honestly every era has their haters. Its like rap vs old head rap

[@alexduran1967]

If you're downplaying the 70s, what era would you put over it? The 2000s were dominated by the Klitschko brothers and was considered weak, the 40s were dominated by one person; Joe Louis, the 50s was Rocky Marciano wrecking everyone, the 60s was Ali, the 90s was a giant slugfest of non-technical brawlers, the 80s belonged to two people only; Larry Holmes and Iron Mike, and the current era has ducked each other too much to gauge it properly. Usyk has already exposed this era, so I don't know which heavyweight era you would consider better for pure boxing.

[@FightFilms]

Joe Louis' and this era were probably the best, technically, today's being better.. Ali's era was probably most exciting.

[@lautreamont.-1754]

you say for example that guys like devin haney or Gervonta are better than Duran or Leonard? or this analysis just apply to HWs

[@FightFilms]

Haney and Tank are bums

[@h-k7804]

You talking nonesense. The only difference is that fighters are more tactical and defense is priority nowadays. Nothing indicates this era are more powerful or faster. A prime lennox lewis beats vitali, a prime vitali could beat any fighter today. Therefore, 90s lewis could also beat everyone today.

[@zvezdanjasovic3185]

The irony 😂 You say he’s talking nonsense and followed it up with pure nonsense. Vitaly beats everyone today? How daduq you came up to that conclusion? Usyk earned his spot among the greatest of the sport, and he will be remembered as such, the numbers don’t lie

[@h-k7804]

​@@zvezdanjasovic3185where is your evidence about usyk being able to beat vitali? Usyk only had a handful of fights in heavyweight, vitali has a way more impressive CV, so the stats argument is in vitali favour

[@zvezdanjasovic3185]

@@h-k7804 what are you rumbling about? Where’s your evidence that Vitali could beat Fury for example? Way more impressive CV? Are you kidding me dude? Usyk unified all of the titles, and had 7 matches 5 of them were against world champions. Your argument is because he came from other division he can’t be the greatest, despite beating everyone literally everyone. That’s so laughable mate that I won’t even bother to explain why

[@FightFilms]

Evidence?

[@СашаІванов-л5ц]

Lol, so the era of Lewis and Klitschko is already a new era of great modern boxers. And the film takes the period of the 60-70s, perhaps it refers to the beginning of the 80s

[@constantinevu48]

I believe Mike Tyson's style was unique and entertaining, when I think of past. I liked Roy a bit. Now, 4 belt era is way more complicated in all aspects than before for sure, you have to fight more contenders, defend more contenders, so I think it's a lot more complicated and boxing evolved a lot also, more technique is used e.t.c. People living in the past will someday cry over the moments they missed today and it doesn't matter if boxing is great now or not. If you can't appreciate the present, you will regret tomorrow!

[@paoloalcantara2465]

IMO, if Usyk fights Dubois next, he’s gonna win again.

[@FightSportTalk]

I’ve always found it difficult to compare modern fighters to those of decades ago when standards and norms were so different. But if people can’t see how Fury could have competed with the likes of an old Holmes, Foreman and the Riddick Bowe who beat Gonzalez they are not being realistic. Also Joshua is very clearly a better fight and more accomplished than anyone Holmes and Mike Tyson beat (except Michael Spinks).

[@FightFilms]

I think it's unfair to the older guys. I am just responding to the nonsense.

[@rabblelevin6923]

Foreman really did seem tired in the fight. The heat definitely bothered him. Foremen has said he thought he may have been drugged that day to make him lethargic. I doubt that, but he was definitely off. I still think a prime Foreman fighting in an inside arena with regulated temperature is a solid favorite against prime Ali.

[@FightFilms]

Ali fought in the same heat.

[@alllaw3ao7]

Cmon Mayn .. the Forman Ali was long time in Kinshasa they fought middle of the night and both were exhausted by fight night.

[@FightFilms]

All main events are in the middle of the night today. Fights are judged by the action in the ring, not what could have been, if...

[@meks1478]

The fact that there are people actually agreeing with your commentary on this fight is truly fascinating to see.

[@FightFilms]

How so?

[@meks1478]

@FightFilms Thinking you can tell the level of a fighter by simply looking at the individual technical things they do in the ring is a mistake. Someone can have what we would call "flawed" technique but continually beat people who seemingly have better technique based on our "eye test". The only time we can see someone's true level is when we see how they do against a certain level of opponent.

[@chrisreidy439]

@@meks1478 Usyk is very good, the best heavyweight in the world right now, but who has he beat? An overrated Joshua? A washed up Fury? Time will tell where Usyk stands in heavyweight history. It's a little early to say he's the greatest ever.

[@meks1478]

@chrisreidy439 I think usyk is an all time great because he's clearly the greatest of this era, but that doesn't mean he's better than the greats of other eras. Especially since the level of heavyweight boxers was incredibly higher during the other eras.

[@Charles70k]

I will never get over the feeling Ali vs Foreman was fixed . It's so bad almost hard to believe that's a real fight.

[@СашаІванов-л5ц]

The fights with Liston were rigged. The first fight was a total misunderstanding. Liston simply gave up the fight.

[@FightFilms]

They fought like this. Two top guys with no defense will break each other down quickly.

[@yhg519]

P

[@whatilearnttoday5295]

> Dubois is Levels Above Ali and Foreman Yeah okay, they sucked, but so does Dubois. It's almost like things evolve and progress over generations. > Thinking, intelligence is preeminent. Dubois does not strike me as an intelligent man.

[@FightFilms]

So make an argument.

[@thefightscout]

Ali was on the spectrum and that's why he claimed he shouldn't have been in the War Draft and was gifted a High School Diploma.

[@kungfubrandon6886]

Dubois doesnt suck

[@futvnyc]

I thought joe frazier vs ali 1 was a way better fight than ali vs Foreman. The media and fans have made it taboo to say dudes pf today could beat past hw champions

[@Proletariat-u8o]

If you pull your opponents head down you tire them tremendousles, hense why it's illegal, but not for A sides in America, it tires your neck muscles and back badly.

[@Proletariat-u8o]

George is garbage, that shit wouldn't work with a guy like Usyk, it would be emberassing for him, low level slugger.

[@QuisQuis855]

Delusional he weared Foreman Down because George was A Ko Artist

[@aldovergara9035]

Excellent video. People just love their sacred cows. If you really want to see people, get their panties in a bunch, analyze the padded-up record of the insanely overrated Julio Cesar Chavez. Alot of people lose their minds if you don't stop to genuflect at the throne of J.C.C.

[@comicsmaster7809]

Nah man, this isn't even a film study bro. That's what a guy that started boxing 2 years ago sounds like. I have seen film studies on instagram that have more indepth. You don't understand that strategy is waaaaay more important technique or jabbing at random moments.

[@comicsmaster7809]

Damn, you just went criticizing the ali foreman fight with no effort in actually analyzing the fight and then switched to usyk talking about his great feints and movement ignoring how two fights have 2 different scenarios

[@FightFilms]

Great. you should be able to make an argument, then.

[@FightFilms]

how am i ignoring two different scenarios while describing them in detail?

[@FightFilms]

how am i ignoring two different scenarios while describing them in detail?

[@freedom4life123]

You cant compare dubois skills with usyks. usyk schooled dubois easily.

[@bumbaclartboxing]

Derek chisora beats Ali any day of the week

[@FightFilms]

Too big IMO. Ali too open.

[@terrykrow7820]

Good video. People look back and romantacise. I think Usyk may actually beat Ali. Usyk has a better chin too...

[@kungfubrandon6886]

Chin us the one thing id give ali over usyk

[@terrykrow7820]

@kungfubrandon6886 Usyk has been hit square on the chin by guys much bigger than him and has never gone down.

[@somerandomguy2447]

It’s very very funny how the second the iron curtain fell a random polish guy cane out and dog walked bowe outclassed him and destroyed him twice oh and btw he was a street fighter yeah but before that it was the “golden age”

[@Boxing-d2t]

Yeh and Golota got whooped by everyone else though

[@somerandomguy2447]

@ that doesn’t change how Eastern Europeans and people form post Soviet contrives have shown to be a very dominant force in every combat sport after 1991 but yeah sure when the division was only Americans in the 70s that’s the “golden age”

[@Boxing-d2t]

@@somerandomguy2447 I personally think the 90s was the best era the top 15 was stacked. This current era is a good exiting era also

[@somerandomguy2447]

@ I understand styles make fights but you cannot tell me the 90s was the best era when one of the best champions of the 90s got fraud checked by a polish journeyman and yeah 90s heavyweight is slightly better but that’s only because the good heavyweights decided to cut 15-30 pounds and fight at cruiserweight

[@Boxing-d2t]

@ man Bowe was done he barely trained he was so undisciplined he said he only trained for the Holyfield fights to make his money. Fighters like Tua Mercer ibeabuchi would beat the breaks off Joshua and Dubois. Usyk is an atg great fighter but apart from him there isn’t another great heavyweight in this era

[@Bartholomew_Hunt]

The craziness of how some folks out there think. Modern "Weak Era" where nearly every professional boxer is decently trained and could definitely crush the average person. When in Ali's era they literally pulled average untrained folks off of the street and called them professional. What's a little bit fascinating about that, there was some technique going on before Ali and the lot showed up. kind of got put on the wayside for a while. it's like you say. back then and still a lot today. USA has it's own little world going. the one thing i will give them in the ALi era is they inspired a lot of the new and modern fighters to take up the sport.

[@FightFilms]

Ali did not live the life, was a womanizer, got addicted to benzedrine, and did not improve his game much. But, it's impossible to be better than he.

[@Bartholomew_Hunt]

@@FightFilms No doubt, sounds like the current blue print or model they still build their fighters off of.

[@Proletariat-u8o]

Well done, just a few minutes watching each fight consecutive you would think any boxing fan could tell the difference. Ali's era = garbage.

[@Flamethrower1942]

Foreman was so bad he won world title at 45😂 . Get outta here the Ali era and the 1990s era are the best by far , they came to fight not fanny around amd faff like most fighters today.

[@FightFilms]

Do I really need to explain all the fallacies in that comment?

[@yalexander9432]

​@FightFilms Foreman took a 10 year layoff, was it his 40s, fatter and could still compete in the 90s. Foreman didn't become more skilled, he paced himself better. If someone took that as evidence that different eras can be competitive you would have no way to debunk them lol

[@toyfischer]

this man literally said ali had no defense. by this time in alis career he was already diminished. remember these guys didnt have the drs the fighters today have. ali was literally untouchable in his prime. what are you talking about. you mention defense and then mention alis quick feet, well your footwork is part of your offense and defense. you are falling into the fallacy that todays athletes are just superior. they arent. whats superior is the technology and medical advancements.

[@FightFilms]

Evidence?

[@Proletariat-u8o]

Some idiot was shitting on me for saying Usyk's footwork is far superior to the amateur Ali's, funny.

[@FightFilms]

he gots mo' footworks!

[@Confucius202]

I mean all of that analysis might be true, but I still believe that young George Foreman beats Usyk. It's a matter of styles, and George was just too efficient on his front foot for Usyk... All of his feinting and distance control wouldn't matter much against George.

[@FightFilms]

George too small

[@Confucius202]

@FightFilms 6'4 George is too small to defeat 6'2 Usyk ? Okay 👍🏽

[@Igbon5]

You picked one particular fight where the case you most want to make is most apparent. Let's see any of the new guy's if they got stuck in Africa for two months and fought in the middle of the night in hot humid conditions. There are any number of other fights showing Ali's speed and stamina. Foreman was not at his best there either. I recently looked at the AJ Dubois fight and he was so slow and had such terrible defense it was hard to see. Ali would beat him on points easily and maybe knock him out pretty easy. So, I'll pick that fight against and Ali any time between his come back and 34. He would run rings around these two.

[@FightFilms]

This was addressed in the video. try watching.

[@Igbon5]

@@FightFilms Yeah, I watched 'again' to see if you did address my points. You did not. You picked one fight to make your point. Usyk as fast as Ali. Yeah sure, ok. Processing faster than Ali, yeah, ok. Those two were just "rock and sock 'em dudes" yeah ok. You are biased.

[@BrainDamageComedy]

the og's will batter tf out of the new boys. i'd lay everything i own on my grandfather battering me ( and 3 others like me). how bout you lads?

[@RedAmoeba]

I agree. It's not just the old-timers that are delusional but also many of the fighters themselves from previous heavyweight eras. Recently Frank Bruno stated that the heavies of his era were naturally big men and that Usyk wouldn't have done as well against them. 😂 Does he not realize that the typical heavyweight today is around 6'5 and 250 lbs? That's a hell of a lot larger than the heavyweight average in Bruno's era. Like Usyk hasn't already dealt with several top heavies that are much bigger than those guys were back then → kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqTEk5KnebGBf7M

[@FightFilms]

some of these guys will say anything, no matter how dumb