Forgotten Destitute Laborers Of Early America

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[@grasslakeron3897]

Carol is a true gift. I hope you pass this along to her.

[@ParsonJohnMaggie]

I’ll be sure she know. Thanks!

[@Ikantspell4]

Poverty has never been kindly addressed in our nation. It's amazing that the most difficult /dangerous/ scary work has been relegated to the person who society regards the least. I really enjoy when people focus on the common or disadvantaged person. Jefferson and Washington were interesting people but to understand history we really need to understand what a " normal" person was doing and what life was like for people not fortunate enough to live famous lives. Good work because the poorhouses and transit work is something I always wondered about. Washing women, ragmen, alll the intricate parts of society we don't always get accounts of are really where history was made but not written.

[@NeoPhoneix]

Amazing! My country isn't even offically 200 years old yet but my ancestors were "working poor" in England before coming over. They had their boat tickets paid for by the parish so they could essentially "get them off the books". Whats really nice is that they came over and were able to make a life for themselves and became important parts of their community.

[@Arthurian.]

The poor that are unable/unwilling/incapable of providing for themselves are a REAL drag on limited finances. I don't blame them for providing a 1 way ticket to make them someone elses problem.

[@catlover-fp5ig]

Are you a Kiwi too?

[@slomo1562]

Regarding the work of body snatchers: My brother-in-law's father was a British surgeon in WWII. He had acquired a half skeleton from an elderly retired country doctor. It was the real remains of a woman who had died in 1850's England. The original purchaser was a new physician and had little money so he could only afford a half skeleton. So our young lady was sold in half and passed along through the years for a century.

[@rulu1828]

Morbid, but fascinating... I wonder what happened to her other half? I think it could make a plot for a ghost story, as the lower go around searching for her upper (or vice versa).

[@mcanultymichelle]

The story of Maggie was outstanding

[@brianadixon8995]

Love this, my family also came over as indentured servants. My ancestor lost her husband to the Spanish War had 5 kids all under tha ge of 8. She stole some food to feed them. Her choice, transportation or hanging and her kids go to the work house. Transportation she got to keep her kids with her.

[@DevonExplorer]

That was really fabulous. A few years ago I read a book (here in Britain) about the history of rubbish and things people throw away. It was exactly the same here during those days; the desperately poor, especially in London, did the most horrendous scavenging jobs to survive. It's amazing how every single piece of rubbish could be utilised in practically all trades. Here too, the workhouse was dreaded and avoided as much as possible. I love the work that Carol is doing to show the history of those who are usually ignored. Great museum idea and very interesting talk. :)

[@dustinleslie7564]

We had a poor house in the county where I live. The county was formed in 1810 in Kentucky. And I think they only found out about it in the last few years when they discovered the cemetery

[@sandyfreyman3501]

Does not surprise me at all.

[@wfldfire]

Such an outstanding way to teach history. So many subjects and people that most people have no idea about.

[@ajurado800]

Absolutely incredible work, thank you so much for doing this. In school everyone reads about the "Great Men" and the "Major Moments" of history -- but really it's exactly *this* kind of ground-level social history that connects the average person to their historical context, and makes the study of History meaningful. I think we learn more the past when we understand what it took to cook a meal in the 18th century; or heat a home; or find a job; or stay out of the poor house. These are the things that connect people across time, because they're the same things that we still do today, and will presumably always need to do. It's certainly important to know what Napoleon or Jefferson did or said. But 99.9999% of the population will not be a Napoleon or a Jefferson. They will just be normal working people trying to get by. And it's important to see that broad segment of the population represented in the historical picture.

[@rainydaylady6596]

I think this would be a great way to get people to understand why we have the homeless in this day. They don't even have a poor house option and the change in attitude from the church helping the poor versus the attitude afterwards really hit home. Our attitude to those people who are on the fringes of society now seems to have begun back in the 18th century.

[@ajurado800]

@@rainydaylady6596 Very true. Although I would say that we *do* have similar "homeless shelter" options today which are probably less draconian than those of 18th century England, but they have different requirements and conditions. For example, most shelters today require no drug use -- but drug addiction is one of the primary reasons that people end up homeless in the first place, and people who are deeply addicted will choose their drug over anything else. So in that way we fail to address the root of the problem. We similarly fail when it comes to mental illness -- but then again it was probably even worse in the 18th century, when most mental illness was viewed through a religious viewpoint, and sufferers were considered "possessed" or "demoniacs".

[@peggedyourdad9560]

@Lex Bright Raven I mean, what else do you do when you're homeless? Still, I'm sure drug addiction doesn't help things at all. I remember reading somewhere that a significant number of homeless people are actually people who aged out of the foster care system. Another large portion seems to be the very mentally ill, veterans, lgbt+ youths who were kicked out, young people who wanted to start a new life somewhere way too expensive, and just people who got that poor. Some people were actually abusive spouses and were kicked out for that reason, but you could argue that could tie into reason 1 because sometimes mental illness can make someone behave in an abusive way to other people (not that I said sometimes, not all the time or even most of the time. Just, sometimes).

[@benjaminscribner7737]

Once again, you guys have a fantastic video. I learned more about history from you than I ever did in school. I enjoy Ryan and Maggie's interviews, let's see more.

[@Se7nDust]

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[@PlayaSinNombre]

I have been watching Maggie’s story, and enjoying it. I am too old to expect a happy end for her, but not cynical enough, yet, to stop rooting for her to find a place of peace and security. This is great work!

[@ArianaBauer]

I have experienced the exhibition and it was wonderful! My two boys (teens) really thought a lot after walking through and reading. The display really helped to spark some good conversations and was very poignant. Thanks so much for bringing your passion to the world and help us learn about our past.

[@ProfessorTimbo]

Carol is fantastic; such a great storyteller, telling tales that need to be told. Also, this line - from such a wonderfully sweet lady - had me cracking up: 4:30: "I've actually slid into the criminal area a little bit" 🤣😋

[@damienvalentine5043]

Don't call it grave-robbing! ;)

[@nilo70]

Thank you for making this happen ! ❤

[@slomo1562]

Maggie reminds me of the women in "A Christmas Carol" who robbed Scrooge's corpse and chambers.

[@FruitMuff1n]

Love these reenactors you are interviewing. May I suggest you link to her KZbin channel in the description as well? They only have like 400 subscribers!

[@Readera]

Link is there now

[@youngimperialistmkii]

This is truly history that deserves to be remembered.

[@foborising4417]

In my opinion it's up to families to remember their ancestors. Not the govt. I think people sit around waiting for failing schools to tell us about our own selves. It's unfortunate for sure.

[@ladyjusticesusan]

I love her so much. Please keep bringing her on. So much knowledge to share.

[@ElixirSpice]

Taking someone's body seems way worse than taking a dead person's belongings.

[@goodluckgoofy3354]

Seems the same to me. It's all stuff they're not using anymore.

[@Cornerstanding]

13:20 wasn't just done in the past it's still the way it is today.

[@kentuckianaboy]

Hence the founding in 1788 at Botany Bay; the first British Colony in Australia less than 5 years after the Revolutionary War. Have to have someplace to shove off the “waste people.”

[@Allibabo]

Whooo another video!

[@marksgirl8295]

I bet Carol was an AMAZING teacher!

[@TheKa89]

I was thinking the same thing when she expressed wanting to learn more about and share the history of people we never hear about. I had a similar professor in my first year of university and I still remember him for this same reason. Instead of focusing on the history of the land holders, he went directly for Nathaniel Bacon and explaining the impact of indentured service, rebellion, and how this formed a lot of the early laws in the colonies (and after).

[@rulu1828]

I found the political aspect really interesting - from the responsiblity moving from the church to state, and how they tried to hide it to make it more appealing for immigration.

[@kimlewis8357]

My son and me are that, forgotten Laborers, we work farm. We are very poor, no income, we are share cropper's

[@heavenboundhomestead126]

People Like Us Will Survive with what's coming. We are used to doing without and we are use to Growing food. Also we have common sense. That is something that not many have anymore. I pray God blesses you and surprises you in the days to come

[@ShellyS2060]

Hang on and ang in there. My grand parents were share croppers my Granny always said There ain't much sharing but a hell of alot of crops.

[@rolux4853]

This is still allowed? I thought it was there to replace slavery to keep their former slaves on the farms. How unethical is the person that takes your crop, that’s really messed up nowadays.. I hope you guys otherwise have an amazing life! Money isn’t everything and it doesn’t make you happy, it just takes some edges of and makes some consequences less harsh.

[@Se7nDust]

@@heavenboundhomestead126 Our elections are secure; sorry to burst your trubble

[@vonbaconstien760]

What are u doing to change that?

[@bryandoyle765]

I’d really love to see a virtual tour or online gallery of their exhibit.

[@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721]

Yeah, it would be nice to be able to read the descriptions of the jobs.

[@smeastwest]

This video was so packed with fascinating information, I had to watch it twice in a row. One of the best conversations about history of everyday people I've watched on KZbin!

[@nordicson2835]

I love you guys in this format.

[@BethVonstaats]

Outstanding video!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you for sharing your unique and intriguing expertise Carol!!!!!

[@goodluckgoofy3354]

This is like a Dickensian existence 2.0. Thank you for this information. Subbed to The Scoundrels Alley. 👏💙

[@J.A.Smith2397]

Very valuable information n being spread in the best way with most impact!

[@Hobbyrepubliken]

Unionize y'all

[@dwaynewladyka577]

This was very awesome. I do like these videos by the fireplace in the cabin. Cheers!

[@isatq2133]

What would an adventurer carry to find a new place to live? How would they cook on the trail? What would they eat?

[@violetopal6264]

Squirrel on a stick if they could catch it, assuming could get a fire going

[@gtbkts]

Don't they have a video(or more) on traveling on foot. And in their cabin building series, they covered the starting equipment and spot to look for to build a log cabin. Although, a video expanding on that would be great!

[@VernonWallace]

EXCELLENT. Thank you for this and all you do.

[@AaronGrosch29]

This was very helpful and insightful. Thank you! Your channel consistently helps breed contentment, capability and curiosity!

[@countcoupblessings979]

Thank you for a great talk you two 😊

[@BigboiiTone]

We have always been delighted when your unique guest hosts are able to present their stories. Always great to see the regular guys but I've greatly enjoyed seeing these guests. Thank you Carol

[@cryptokirbydeletesnegative5345]

More please!!!

[@matthewreedy4731]

Thank you for that absolutely amazing peek into history from a point of view not often seen

[@earlshaner4441]

Good afternoon from Syracuse NY everyone thank you for sharing this information video

[@Se7nDust]

have you sharpened your snow shovel or do u let it self-tolerance?

[@Se7nDust]

I sharpen mine 🤗

[@earlshaner4441]

Ok

[@Se7nDust]

@@earlshaner4441 exactly, you are a fake account from bangladesh 🐑❤🏳️‍🌈🇷🇺🤡

[@earlshaner4441]

Very funny my friend

[@daradoe9415]

I wish we had reenactments of this era where I live. The ones in my area only go back to the civil war and western expansion. Thank you for sharing!

[@mrsnezbit2219]

Come to Europe and you will find every era you like haha

[@SarahM-lw2gd]

Are you in California? It is the same there for me, but I did find one called Riley's Farm that does a yearly Colonial Faire and other events throughout the year.

[@daradoe9415]

@@mrsnezbit2219 Is that an invitation? I'll back my bags!👍

[@daradoe9415]

@@SarahM-lw2gd Actually I'm in the Midwest/Midsouth. We get lots of confederate battle reenactments and a lot of pioneer trail stuff. It's wonderful, but I'd love more 18th Century history.

[@daradoe9415]

@@SarahM-lw2gd But if I ever make my way to California, I'll be sure to check it out. Thanks for the tip!

[@gtbkts]

Thanks for the awesome content and great video!!💕

[@pinetree9343]

Wonderful interview

[@Kriss_L]

I like how sitting in a cabin with a fire going it's still cold enough to see their breath.

[@perfectperson214]

I cant believe i just found this channel. But im glad, theres like a thousand videos ready to watch.

[@J.A.Smith2397]

Knew her from your videos n seen her at 1812, best character I know

[@paulbourdon1236]

So interesting! When I was in Mass in an early 18th century house, I did quite a bit of research. The mid 18th c town records contain many references to "ordering out" someone who was not connected with the town. It was the job of the sheriff to do this and I wonder if that's why many people who were appointed to be sheriff seemed to accept paying a fine to not be it?

[@rain420war]

Thank you for mentioning her KZbin channel I have always been interested in that period struggles and I have just subbed to her Channel thank you again

[@Arthurian.]

Great episode. I listened as I was doing house chores.

[@gregbillman42]

There was a poor house on SR25 just south of Rochester. You can still see the iron fence that surrounded it.

[@vada7259]

Excellent video, and thanks to you both. So interesting about the mid-1700's change in attitudes toward the poor, and both attitudes seem to have remained with us. Carol Jarboe is always interesting, but it's the fact that she humanizes our most-common American ancestors, that I most respect her for. It's good to see that equal treatment for all citizens, still survives as a noble American trait - kudos and thanks, again.

[@faithmorehouse5940]

I could listen to Ryan and Maggie all day long and never get bored! Thank You for such interesting content. 🌞

[@manuelamaie9252]

Very very interesting! Looking foward seeing more about Carol on your chanel ! Greatings from a medievial reenactor from Germany

[@slomo1562]

The grease collectors must have been in serious danger of catching fire. No joke! Greasy clothes would be highly flammable.

[@stevecook6505]

I can't wait for the next " Maggie" chapter.

[@thomasbarrett8861]

I like Townsends any way yall show up. But the fire side chats are some kinda cool... keep up the great work!! And Carol is truly an expert.

[@catritz]

Very interesting and informative... Most likely, the people who chose 'crime' are NOT criminals, but victim-survivors. Speaking of crime, why would a cliquish group want to keep this *truth* under wraps. I will never understand why a selected few would refuse to help the unfortunate

[@zuzuspetals38]

She is a lovely teacher still teaching, thank goodness⭐️

[@ljb8157]

It would be great if she puts the next chapter here on Townsends. I love listening to her story so far. If she makes more story line... please produce another video!

[@KairuHakubi]

Of all the harsh parts of history that we sometimes like to file the hard edges off of a bit for more pleasant fiction, I'm surprised we don't get more scavengers. It's perfect for jaunty little peasant adventures, finding stuff in the piles of refuse..

[@88Shinto]

I learned a lot from this video. Cheers

[@gaelan2393]

This is very interesting. Thanks :)

[@Dollarkat]

She really explained that well.

[@mmthomas3729]

I've seen her museum and it is very well done. I think she also has one about child labor and the jobs children did.

[@eberbacher007]

if you have guest you should put their channels in the shownotes

[@KelleyWilliams]

I love this channel

[@kathleendaugherty4218]

WOW, this gives you a new perspective.

[@jeremyhicks6367]

Amen 🙏 Always remember to count your blessings!

[@southernwanderer7912]

How in the world did I miss this video? This is a topic I'm definitely interested in, how those that were really down and out survived. Because I believe the down and out were a lot of the people.

[@tinamathews3379]

I'd love to see that museum sometime.

[@leafiddick2976]

This is such an interesting channel.

[@Anne--Marie]

Went from the video where you laid the bricks straight to this video where the fire is still burning.

[@msoda8516]

This explains modern American view about the poor. Sadly in 2022 the mindset of the poor being unworthy of help is alive and well.

[@In20xx]

This a good research for my sci fi stories!

[@robzinawarriorprincess1318]

Ryan is a great interviewer. Thanks again for the fascinating information, Carol!!

[@als3022]

I met her at the Battle of Camden, I didn't know she was on here. Awesome.

[@marleneplatcek6364]

Very interesting

[@theoldgrowler3489]

Mortality is an interesting perspective. Thank you!

[@YAUUN]

I love it when you go into the social history of things.

[@heatherbottoms5813]

Well said.

[@judithwake2757]

Thank YOU for your work ! I can hardly wait to read your book ! What is it's name ! When will it come out ! I'm sure it would sell ! PLEASE WRITE IT !

[@Bostonclassics1]

Great video, she's amazing

[@TruthAndLight4995]

Amazing that frost is coming from your mouths as you speak, yet there is a blazing fire behind you.😊

[@hooraayy]

Very interesting! Would love for you to link the youtube, i didnt catch the name and had to scroll down to find how to write the channel name

[@kimfleury]

What struck me most in listening to this was the transition from charity -- which means "love" - to a completely opposite attitude of regarding the struggling people as weights that dragged the taxed citizens under. I'll even offer the suggestion that it was the lowest income taxed people who felt the weight the most, just as it is today. There were and are no doubt some stingy taxpayers who only want to keep all of their money to themselves without consideration of what they use as far as infrastructure and such. Yet it's the lowest income taxpayers who suffer the greatest risk of losing everything to unbearable taxes. I'm thinking of a centenarian farm in the Thumb of Michigan that was handed down through generations, producing a modest living to the farmers, until the property taxes became exorbitant. The family lost the farm to government foreclosure. It's property taxes that fund schools for children of all incomes, so in essence this family lost their land because the cost of universal education has risen so much. Tax funds aren't limitless, yet many treat it that way, mistakenly believing that it's the government giving away freebies. I think it was much more sensible to allow the churches to run charities, hospitals, and schools without government funding or interference. That's just my opinion.

[@RavenBlaze]

Thought provoking

[@7Drummy]

It was said there was no social safety net. We don't even have a poor house now.

[@geraldwhite6029]

Do you ever do the ollustee civil war reenactment in lake city Fl. With your museum?

[@amihodges4899]

I have a profound love for my country, but this really opened my eyes to a darker side of its history that I never knew about. It also greatly explains the modern view towards the homeless and why we need Christ so badly.

[@Btn1136]

I’m not poor, I’m broke!

[@ShellyS2060]

But not broken!

[@Se7nDust]

@@ShellyS2060 quite presumptuous of you

[@ShellyS2060]

@@Se7nDust do you really think so? Didn't mean to be. I KNOW what I've been through, Didn't have a pot much less something to piss in. So at best, I was projecting but never presumed to understand

[@Se7nDust]

@@ShellyS2060 if someone is broke, 85% chance they are broken.

[@Se7nDust]

I support you, jus bein real

[@SargeOfTheGuard]

Being a "Resurrectionist" has always been a Time-honored Profession; it's because of Resurrectionists that George Washington has such fine Dentures! 😁

[@SABosma-oi1iu]

Could you dedicate an episode or more to the founding of New York? The lives of the early settlers… background read tip Russel Shorto’s the island at the centre of the world…

[@SqueakyChase]

Good god man, your girth is powerful on the eyes.

[@anthonyferreira9059]

Here is her KZbin channel: kzbin.info/door/vluO7mLta43I_KX3xmmQRg

[@williamwinder3466]

Nearly at that 2 million mark.

[@annasahlstrom6109]

Maggie the highway woman! I love Maggie.

[@samharrison5791]

God I love that woman

[@MrsAngloOrtho]

Scoundrels Alley: kzbin.info/door/vluO7mLta43I_KX3xmmQRg