Forgotten Dimensions of the Carolina Bays

[@MacMcNurgle]

I have recently come to the conclusion that trying to argue facts when the mind listening to your argument is drowning in emotion, is a waste of time. I salute your years of effort. It is obvious to anyone that lets logic rule, that you are correct in your theory.

[@michiganmeoutdoors4362]

Great presentation Tony! I always watch your videos on this subject, your aspect of geology. Gives me a big picture to listen to several people with different perspectives in multiple fields of hands-on experience and knowledge. Rock on Tony!

[@siskiyoustar3300]

Thank you for your research! Also, for sharing through these videos. Greatly appreciated. I hope it encourages others to further work.

[@danoneill2846]

Many Thanks

[@direbearcoat7551]

One more difference between the Carolina Bays and the thermalkarst lakes is that Carolina Bays have overlapping raised rims, while thermalkarst lakes do not.

[@aaronfranklin324]

I suppose it is plausible that erosion and lake border vegetation and other wildlife could smooth out thermokarst formations and build the raised rims. But this will not account for the high energy particle tracks and U238 transmuted into PU 239 in granite overlayed by black mat mud layers at the 12700, 26000 and 39000 BP geologic horizons. Continental Ice sheets blowing up and producing dirty snowball suborbital volcanic Cannonballs does. The electrostatic charge picked up by being lobbed into the lower Radiation belts and re-entry would produce mega lightning discharges capable of producing the neutrons to transmute the Uranium. The periodicity matches the periodic explosive volcanic destruction of icesheets, caused by solvated ionic water pumped by these ice sheets into the magma bodies below them. Releasing 57 megajoules per kilogram of energy as the pressure drop causes them to crash through the phase change boundary and recombine to H2Og/p. And 25000 Kelvin rock vapor gas/plasma too.

[@littlefish9305]

smaller bays show less ellipticity, this implies that these are impact related as air resistance would slow smaller projectiles more than larger ones resulting in smaller projectiles making more circular depressions. i didn't hear you make this point.

[@Antonio_Zamora]

Thanks for reminding me. The 1933 paper by Melton and Schriever says "As the meteors approached the surface, small bodies would be retarded by the earth's atmosphere more than would the large ones. The former would thus spend more time in the atmosphere than the latter and would be given a greater vertical-component velocity by gravitational attraction. The small bodies would therefore, strike more nearly vertically than the large ones and their impact scars would have the observed relationship of smaller ellipticity."

[@littlefish9305]

@@Antonio_Zamora your evidence for impact is compelling, just need more work on the dating.

[@Antonio_Zamora]

@@littlefish9305 The process for dating the Carolina Bays has been very haphazard. I think that investigation of the rims of the bays may finally provide a reliable method for dating. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXSmnWOcmseAasU

[@stevenarrasmith]

@@Antonio_Zamora Hence analysis of the largest bays would have the most "accurate" impact/launch angles and orientations, pointing back to the original meteor impact site.

[@AustinKoleCarlisle]

@@Antonio_Zamora finding consistent inverted stratigraphy would be a reliable method for dating, assuming penetration funnels were formed and the overturned flaps were all centered around 12,800 years ago. but what if Prouty's hypothesis were true, that the rims were formed by air-shock waves blowing the top few layers of soil outward from the center of the basins which collected in rims? if that were indeed the case, then we wouldn't expect to consistently find inverted stratigraphy in rims due to the lack of overturned flaps. in fact, the dating would be rather chaotic and random. in other words, we still couldn't rule out an impact hypothesis if core sampling of rims fail to indicate consistent inverted stratigraphy.

[@AustinKoleCarlisle]

If we assume the bays were created from one cataclysmic event, the presence of partial basins on the edges of cliffs combined with the presence of elliptical basins located where the Laurentide Ice Sheet once covered implies that giant conical cavities did not form the bays at all, and these features have an origin

[@AustinKoleCarlisle]

Curious to know what you have to say about this evidence that seems to invalidate the GIIH.

[@markpaonessa2778]

Also, I showed that impacting objects which are not solid leave shallower craters. Did the ice chunks melt after the impact?

[@Antonio_Zamora]

When the ice boulders melted there was widespread flooding. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jJyti5d5oNqthpo

[@markpaonessa2778]

@Antonio_Zamora before or during the ballistic trajectory?

[@cromemako83]

Great work ♥ - I have no idea how this evidence is dismissed - we have matter (ice/water or a mix) impacting the earth from a defined point of origin the proof is there. The establishment seems dogged to gradualism narrative - even though this is not based in geological evidence, mass extinctions or past climate change evidenced in ice cores.

[@AustinKoleCarlisle]

There will be surficial soil differences between areas that were submerged by the higher paleo-sea levels for many 1000s of years versus areas that were never covered. Among other differences, areas that were never submerged would have deeper eolian deposits and would be most likely to form basins. I think it's safe to conclude that the ocean did not erode the basins and the (apparent) erosion of the basins along these terrace margins cannot be used to date their formation. Prouty was 100% on the money and would have solved this mystery if he were alive today.

[@rodmac5633]

Maybe mid air collision of ice projectiles changed the arc

[@Antonio_Zamora]

Yes, and they created heart-shaped bays. kzbin.info/www/bejne/faa7k3SmnM-hqJo

[@sidviscous5959]

perhaps the smaller, lighter ice projectiles were thrown higher into the atmosphere, thus had a higher arc and steeper angle of impact.

[@brandonautosales]

@@Antonio_Zamora thanks for the link to a video i havent seen yet

[@stevenarrasmith]

Have you reanalyzed bays in the Micheal's Cintos database with the least-squared method to see if the L/W or orientations are different that with his method?

[@Antonio_Zamora]

Most of the orientations in the Cintos database are close to what is calculated by fitting ellipses to the Carolina Bays. There are no big discrepancies.

[@jollyroger7624]

We need a geologist to do a little digging in regard the water table and the country geology that may have supplied the water table; it would be good if someone could do a full study and publish. Also, exactly how much effect isostatic depression and rebound has had on the water table. Also rainfall data for the time of the bombardment or data on the water table levels. Also depth of and comprehensive geology of a reasonable number of bays at various altitudes and locations. Apart from that, all's good. ps. also an analysis of organism remains in the bays from the time range of the bombardment.

[@Antonio_Zamora]

The depth to the water table has been well documented by the USGS. pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/0487/icons/dtw.jpg But we don't know what it was like at the time of the emplacement of the Carolina Bays.

[@bewitched3912]

It's your use of mathematics that's impressive 👏

[@aaronfranklin324]

❤ It may be is plausible that erosion and lake border vegetation and other wildlife could smooth out thermokarst formations and build the raised rims. But this will not account for the high energy particle tracks and U238 transmuted into PU 239 in granite overlayed by black mat mud layers at the 12700, 26000 and 39000 BP geologic horizons. Continental Ice sheets blowing up and producing dirty snowball suborbital volcanic Cannonballs does. The electrostatic charge picked up by being lobbed into the lower Radiation belts and re-entry would produce mega lightning discharges capable of producing the neutrons to transmute the Uranium. The periodicity matches the periodic explosive volcanic destruction of icesheets, caused by solvated ionic water pumped by these ice sheets into the magma bodies below them. Releasing 57 megajoules per kilogram of energy as the pressure drop causes them to crash through the phase change boundary and recombine to H2Og/p. And 25000 Kelvin rock vapor gas/plasma too.

[@Xsiondu]

Evening. I can't help but notice the " keystone" / trapezoid skewing in the Alaskan oriented lakes image. The 70° latitude may be an indication of a polar orbit and less than the ideal sensor to subject orientation and reduced acquisition time. All that to say while I don't think it changes anything to your presentation's argument; it might alter the image enough to hide an ellipse by stretching the side farthest from the sensor away and wider. If the lidar image was taken by a plane flying over the area then this above info is irrelevant and the lakes are just funked up ( but perfect in their own special way)

[@jollyroger7624]

You need also to see the underlying geological strata alignment beneath the thermokarst lakes.

[@Antonio_Zamora]

@jollyroger7624 A study of the varves in the Great Lakes determined the time when the St. Lawrence River opened toward the Atlantic. Unfortunately, the occurrence of platinum was not determined to try to link this event to an ET impact. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZLao3WsiZaAfq8

[@jollyroger7624]

@@Antonio_Zamora Thank you for that, I missed it somehow, possibly a geriatric anomaly. It's a huge subject, quite big enough for a university course. One other possible piece of evidence that doesn't get enough airtime I think, is the smashed up (disarticulated) "ice age" megafauna bone deposits on the east coast. Whilst those in Alaska show micro spherule impacts etc., what of those on the east coast? And what is their age?

[@Antonio_Zamora]

@jollyroger7624 Take a look at the video of the mastodon in Ohio: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a2HEf4eVpMyne5Y

[@jollyroger7624]

@@Antonio_Zamora Thank you again. I'm going to go through all your videos again, I don't know how I missed that one, but I did. This is exactly what I meant, an animal just going about earning a living and instantly smashed to pieces. And possibly most of the unglaciated area of N. America would have experienced the same. So why is there so little interest, why do not American universities wake up and realize the importance of the YD event. Science today has the tools, it just needs people with the interest and nous to get on with it. Thanks again Antonio I hope you are recognized for all the work you put into this subject.

[@RobertMStahl]

R. Carlson is too much IN2 R. C., so as, to accept all the lose change that floats like serpents his way, N, not floating your way. That said, still, I hate the TWINNING that describes the nature of the global networking AI that includes advertising 4 learning, bottom line, if you get my drift?

[@tgriz100]

No, I don't get your drift. Maybe try plain English? N? TWINNING? using numbers for words? Sorry, I don't know what you were saying but I'm sure you have something to contribute.

[@Chrishelmuth1978]

You're clear as mud, friend. I'd love to understand what you're saying, so just say it.

[@RobertMStahl]

@tgriz100 @tgriz100 I believe R.C. was deeply involved with the thermokarst comparison, and, the profit motive instead of the ignorance on a GRAND scale is involved. Nevertheless, if there is any hope, history, history, history, right? The N, the depth of the delusion is depicted, other than 4 the overall size of the matter we dismiss both literally and imaginatively, for the mismanagement that is AI entirely based on copying and on networking [you], the nanotechnology context making humanity the core of the structure [sic], as told by Sabrina Wallace along with Juxtaposition1 on his Substack channel since the beginning of this year. This is very big. A leap is likely is what I am getting at, and, a much bigger system. For example, hydrogen as hydrino is the phoenix particle of this much larger realization, and, JWST proves spacetime is oscillatory. The electron is a pure subatomic particle, period. KISS That said, I appreciate so much Zamora's discipline,, and, wish him the best. The thing is, the price tag keeps rising.

[@AustinKoleCarlisle]

@@RobertMStahl your ideas intrigue me and i wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

[@RobertMStahl]

@@Chrishelmuth1978 my reply just gets deleted.