Forgotten History: Violent Jewish Resistance to the Holocaust

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I wrote this paper back in 2003 or 2004 for a college class I was taking (HIST 595 - The Holocaust And Genocide). Today, it sounds a bit amateurish - but I suppose that is to be expected of something written by someone barely out of their teens. I think it could be much better written today, and its subject matter deserves much greater depth, but I believe its conclusions are sound. In particular, I would not be so casual in identifying the perpetrators simply as "the Germans", as this is an unfair simplification of the guilt for the crimes of the Holocaust.
Some people will interpret this paper though narrow political viewpoints today, which is unfortunate. I shouldn't have to say it, but obviously such interpretations are certainly not reflective of my own beliefs.
Bibliography:
Ainsztein, Reuben. Jewish Resistance in Nazi-Occupied Europe. Paul Elek Ldt, London: 1974.
Arad, Yitzhak. Ghetto in Flames. Holocaust Library, New York: 1982.
Berenbaum, Michael. The World Must Know.New York: Little, Brown, and Co, 1993.
Donat, Alexander. The Death Camp Treblinka. New York: Holocaust Library, 1979.
Gutman, Yisrael. The Jews of Warsaw, 1939-1943. Indiana University Press, Bloomington:1982.
Mark, Ber. Uprising in the Warsaw Ghetto. Schocken Books, New York: 1975.
Novitch, Miriam. Sobibor: Martydom and Revolt. Holocaust Library, New York: 1980.
Rotem, Simha. Memoirs of a Warsaw Ghetto Fighter. New Haven: Yale University Press, 1994.
Zuckerman, Yitzhak. A Surplus of Memory. University of California Press, Berkeley: 1993.
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@user-oh2kt8lf6g
@user-oh2kt8lf6g 4 жыл бұрын
"The fact that violence can save lives is often ignored or forgotten." A phrase worth a history textbook.
@Alte.Kameraden
@Alte.Kameraden 4 жыл бұрын
Counts on your perspective. Most nations during WWII didn't take very kindly to 'armed' civilians causing problems for their occupation forces. I know the USSR raised an entire German town. The US Army shelled a town post war because of one shooter. The Germans had a orders to kill ten civilians for every German killed by a civilian unless those involved were captured or surrendered. Then tragically a lot of Partisans, "Jewish" included conducted their own crimes during the war. I know a former Israeli General who was a communist partisan during WWII was (he passed away since) wanted for war crimes in Lithuania for his group killing thousands of civilians.
@mortarriding3913
@mortarriding3913 4 жыл бұрын
@@Alte.Kameraden the thrust of what you're saying is a bit peculiar. You put heavy weight on the actions of the Allies, who committed far less offences by any reasonable metric, then even target a Jewish partisan in a country where Jews were enthusiastically rounded up by collaborators. Something the current government seems keen to overlook. Is this incidental, or are you trying to shift the balance of blame here? Do you not accept that the totality of the blame for this catastrophe lies with those who not only initiated it but engaged in it so wantonly they were directly responsible for the vast majority of deaths?
@daetslovactmandcarry6999
@daetslovactmandcarry6999 4 жыл бұрын
This comment deserves a heart, Ian.
@Alte.Kameraden
@Alte.Kameraden 4 жыл бұрын
@@mortarriding3913 Wasn't the point of the comment entirely. The point of the argument was "The fact that violence can save lives is often ignored or forgotten." in which the original comment quoted. I made an argument against it. It utterly has nothing to do with who shot first, or who was the most dastardly. In fact how the Allies handled the occupation of Germany and Japan are prime examples on how a lack of 'violence' saved lives, not the other way around, while the German occupation of Poland, Ukraine and Belarus in which were very violent only caused violence in response, that violence didn't save lives, but only encouraged further bloodshed. It was a vicious cycle on the Eastern Front. I guess i can put it bluntly. How many towns, villages were raised to the ground in response to Partisan warfare on the Eastern Front? How many thousands were rounded up and shot in attempts to deny Partisans' access to intelligence, food, and shelter? How many died as a result of these "Violent" agitators? They had reason to fight, but in the end it's easily argued they did nothing but add considerably more fuel to the fire, and more often than not, it wasn't the Partisans or the Germans they fought that paid the price and were burned. That being said. It's also often not told that there were Communist Partisans, Pro German Partisans, Pro Democratic Partisans as well, and they often didn't work together, nor care for eachother. In Ukraine, Belarus, Russia and much of the Balkans these groups warred with each other about as much they did with the Germans. That same Israeli General I mentioned, whom i wish I could remember his name ended up leaving the Partisan group he was in a Communist one primarily because they didn't care a lick about Poland's Independence. Also I do recall one of the concentration camps was also attacked by Partisans, not to save the inmates but they didn't want the Jews released late in the war, ie an antisemitic band of partisans. Similar to the Frei Korps of Germany post WWI, partisans were little better than armed thugs, who cared about their own personal political beliefs and agendas often more than the nations they claimed to be fighting for.
@1Dougloid
@1Dougloid 4 жыл бұрын
@@Alte.Kameraden Good insights but do not fall into the trap of suggesting a false equivalence. Do read Mazower's "Hitler's Empire" if you haven't already.
@reddevilparatrooper
@reddevilparatrooper 4 жыл бұрын
My family members were subject to the same harsh conditions when the Imperial Japanese Forces occupied the Philippines from 1941-45. Many in went on to fight after the fall of Bataan. Two of my Great Uncles who were members of the Philippine Scout Infantry of the US Army did not surrender because they had witnessed the massacre of US and Filipino soldiers in Barangay where the Japanese Army had occupied. Their units had been defeated at the battle of Mount Mariveles and tried to escape through the Japanese lines back to Macabebe. Gen. Wainwright ordered all US and Filipino forces to surrender after Corregidor fell. They were still armed with their beloved M1903s, some soldiers still had their BARs, Thompsons, and 1911s. They knew that surrender was not a good option. As good Scout Infantrymen as NCOs they managed to take command and gather weapons and ammunition left behind from the fighting either American or Japanese weapons and ammunition. They both held out until 1944 when MacArthur returned to the Philippines and survived the war.
@roninsct7017
@roninsct7017 4 жыл бұрын
Same background as you..my grandfather was an officer in the Scouts..he escaped after the surrender..he disguised as an enlisted man...fought on till liberation as a guerrilla, led a guerilla band in Southern Luzon that was involved in the Los Banos Raid and later battles later rejoined the US Army fought later on in Korea and Vietnam..retired as Colonel...points of clarification.. 1. Their beloved rifle was the Enfield M1917...a better rifle than the M1903.he still had a lot of his WW2 weapons, grew up familiar and trained with the M1 Garand. M1 Carbine,M1917 Enfield, M1903 Springfield, M1928 Thompson, M3 Grease gun, M1917 .45acp revolver, M1911 pistol. 2.Liberation in Luzon did not occur till 1945
@noah_hill
@noah_hill 4 жыл бұрын
MacArthurs son lives in Bicol to this day.
@paytonmckenzie8233
@paytonmckenzie8233 4 жыл бұрын
God bless all those who fight to their last breath against those who would deny them their right to speak freely, freely practice the religion of their choice, maintain the ability to protect themselves and their families, enslave, torture and kill them or the members of their family.
@roninsct7017
@roninsct7017 4 жыл бұрын
...my grandfather was my hero...at age 3 I knew my destiny...warrior at heart..first, last and always...soldier for 24 years...not a job...way of life...way of the warrior..
@coconut6468
@coconut6468 4 жыл бұрын
You guys are some badass fighters. Had a friend who was a Filipino ranger.
@PavarottiAardvark
@PavarottiAardvark 4 жыл бұрын
One vital thing to note: Armed resistance is actually very rare, in almost all conflicts. The WW2 French Resistance was fierce, but the majority of French people weren't in it. The American revolution saw tens of thousands of militia take up arms, but it was still only a small portion of the 2.5 million colonists. During the Civil War, free black soldiers made up some of the best regiments in the Union, but they were still only a limited portion of the slave population. The Jews are not an outlier. The simple fact is that many oppressed people lack the ability or opportunity to fight.
@onemaninaboat
@onemaninaboat 4 жыл бұрын
Tell it to 400000 members of the Polish Home Army. What Ian fails to mentiom is the way in which the ghettos operated. I would suggest some wikipedia research into the inner workings of ghettos in Warsaw and Lodz. Or just search for "judenrat".
@PavarottiAardvark
@PavarottiAardvark 4 жыл бұрын
@@onemaninaboat 400,000... ...out of a population of 35 million. That's about 1-2% of the entire population. This is not to say that the PHA were not fierce, noble and extraordinary fighters. This is to take nothing away from their struggle. But the simple fact is that the vast *vast* majority of Polish people did not take part in armed struggle. Because, as I said, armed struggle is very rare.
@PavarottiAardvark
@PavarottiAardvark 4 жыл бұрын
@worthless Aussie sinner saved by grace alone I don't see how this supports your (frankly abhorrent) scepticism. Mass shooters *are* rare -yes, they seem to occur frequently, but the american population runs into the hundreds of millions. Mass shooters make up a fraction of a percent of the population (what steps could or should be taken to reduce the number of casualties these rare people inflict is *not* the subject of this discussion, or indeed this channel)
@onemaninaboat
@onemaninaboat 4 жыл бұрын
@@PavarottiAardvark Towards the end of the war the total number of resistance fighters across AK, AL, BCh, NSZ is estimated to be 650000 with the remaining population of 26 million. If we were to go by today's age distribution, ca 15% of the population were males between ages of 20-40. This means that out of the 4 million men capable of fighting, one is six did. For added perspective, today's UK's armed forces are 190 000 strong.
@PavarottiAardvark
@PavarottiAardvark 4 жыл бұрын
​@@onemaninaboat I'm not sure why it's representative to only count men of fighting age. The fact remains that few people fight . Yes, many don't fight because they are too young or old, but that doesn't mean they "don't count". It's simply one of the reasons that armed resistance is so (comparatively) rare, both in Poland and everywhere else. Edit: to do the maths, even if we use your 'one in six' figure without contestation, that still leaves 83% who didn't fight. A huge majority.
@mixererunio1757
@mixererunio1757 4 жыл бұрын
You should make a video about Warsaw Uprising. Some people often mistake Ghetto Uprising with Warsaw one and I think you might help a great deal with it.
@101stsurvivor
@101stsurvivor 4 жыл бұрын
I believe he did on inrange some time ago, they had a shirt comemerating it at least
@travispulley8899
@travispulley8899 4 жыл бұрын
This one is very good! -> kzbin.info/www/bejne/b3PNeoyBppl2jM0
@mommachupacabra
@mommachupacabra 4 жыл бұрын
Mom felt that Leon Uris' "Mila 18" was a pretty good fictionalized account; she was there (lived off Mila 6? I don't remember her exact address when they lived in the Ghetto during good times.)
@gregszy8575
@gregszy8575 4 жыл бұрын
To make it clear: Warsaw Ghetto Uprising took place in 1943 (April 19- May 16) see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising and Warsaw Uprising in 1944 (August 1-Octobe 2) see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Uprising
@gregszy8575
@gregszy8575 4 жыл бұрын
​@@crashtestdolphin5884 Unfortunately people in occupied Poland back in 1944, didn't have the knowledge that they have been already sold by their own allies British and Americans to the Soviets. If the Soviets did anything against Germans the Warsaw Uprising would have some chances. There were similar actions against Germans undertaken by Home Army in Lwow and Wilno which were successful. Cities were free but soon Soviets entered and arrested all the Polish combatants. Paris had its uprising too. They would loose too if not helped by allies.
@farmerbrown84
@farmerbrown84 4 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't be so hard on your writing. The paper is very well laid out, extremely clearly written and draws conclusions well. It might not sound overly academic in style, but that makes it very accessable for people to read and comprehend it.
@noscopesallowed8128
@noscopesallowed8128 4 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, "overly-academic" just means written by a stuck up asshole. There's no need for it, ever. My chemistry teacher tries to write like this, and the result of that is that half the students come to class with the wrong homework because no one could understand what she was trying to say. It seems to me that the best paper is the one that gets the point across as efficiently as possible, with the exception of novels I suppose.
@eddyguizonde401
@eddyguizonde401 4 жыл бұрын
@@noscopesallowed8128 i was taught to write academic papers as concisely and as simply written as possible so as to be understood even by a layman, unless the paper was meant to be read by someone with functional knowledge of the subject, in which case i'd just write it as clearly as possible to avoid misunderstandings. overly academic usually got you poor marks.
@noscopesallowed8128
@noscopesallowed8128 4 жыл бұрын
@@eddyguizonde401 Yeah, and now they tell you to do the opposite by imposing "word count limits." That alone destroys all hope of a decent paper.
@neilwilson5785
@neilwilson5785 4 жыл бұрын
I agree. too many academics avoid clear language. Personally, I love it. This was a very clear, and easily understood, primer for this difficult subject. I wish that I had seen it at school ( a long, long, time ago). I'm British, so saw the World at war TV series, and was allowed to see the Belsen episode as a boy in the 1970's, so was not under any illusions about the horrors of Nazi occupation.
@nathanstautzenberger8381
@nathanstautzenberger8381 4 жыл бұрын
I can't help but see the holy hand grenade of Antioch on that Chartreuse box on the shelf
@lancekilkenny721
@lancekilkenny721 4 жыл бұрын
Monty Python.
@christianhoffmann8607
@christianhoffmann8607 4 жыл бұрын
🤣 I wonder when Chartreuse will notice this, or if they already have.
@dudleyblokerave
@dudleyblokerave 4 жыл бұрын
NI.
@Felix-ve9hs
@Felix-ve9hs 4 жыл бұрын
just think of the sauces ...
@seanseanston
@seanseanston 4 жыл бұрын
I guess it's meant to be one of those Globus Cruciger thingies. But then I guess that's what inspired the HHG anyways.
@doraran2138
@doraran2138 4 жыл бұрын
The very first AR-15 I had ever seen was when I was 12 years old, at the home of a friend who was Jewish. The rifle belonged to his grandfather, who purchased it in the 1960's. This was at the height of the first 'assault rifle' hysteria, in early 1990's. A kid in our group asked the old man 'why anybody needed a gun like that?' To which the old man ripped his sleeve up to expose the numbers the National Socialists tattooed on his wrist, with old man stating: "No one's ever doing this to me again."
@timothydornan6517
@timothydornan6517 4 жыл бұрын
Damn straight brother.
@williamprince1114
@williamprince1114 4 жыл бұрын
You have to respect that sentiment.
@alexthehun24gaming58
@alexthehun24gaming58 4 жыл бұрын
Hats off to that man. I don't know if people know this but there a few Jewish pro-gun groups in this country. The old saying fits what I'm trying to say, "Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it".
@doraran2138
@doraran2138 4 жыл бұрын
Ever hear of JPFO (Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership)? Still around, but when founder Aaron Zelman was alive, this was a very aggressive and successful pro-gun civil rights organization. Still around, check out their website. There's an Orthodox Synagogue I pass every Saturday morning, with most worshipers walking to service. By posture and gait, I suspect many of 'packing', easier to notice in warmer weather. (Watch the YT video about how Secret Service, Cops, FAA, etc. are taught to spot people who are armed. ) We had a Synagogue shooting few years ago, where, ironically perp only killed non-Jews, we live in CCW permit region, so I'm glad the worshipers are armed.
@alexthehun24gaming58
@alexthehun24gaming58 4 жыл бұрын
@@doraran2138 I've heard of JFPO. I join but I'm not a Jew.
@BerndFelsche
@BerndFelsche 4 жыл бұрын
Think of the essay as a launchpad. There aren't just forgotten weapons. There are forgotten struggles. Indeed forgotten victories such as the shutting down of Treblinka and Sobidor extermination centres as a result of an uprising of human spirit, backed by determination and weapons. I would not have known of these had I not watched.
@WolfePaws
@WolfePaws 4 жыл бұрын
Did you know that those sites existed before the video?
@jamesfisher9594
@jamesfisher9594 4 жыл бұрын
Forgotten Struggles would be an excellent title.
@wingatebarraclough3553
@wingatebarraclough3553 4 жыл бұрын
Treb 2 and sobibor were just shut down after the transfers were finished
@neilwilson5785
@neilwilson5785 4 жыл бұрын
True. There are a million battles that were fought by people who could not win, but should be written into history. The 1943 Warsaw Jewish uprising was small, relative to the entire war, but important. We should not forget.
@dscrappygolani7981
@dscrappygolani7981 3 жыл бұрын
Well put.
@gabe1ist
@gabe1ist 3 жыл бұрын
Another thing to remember: most Jews did not know the extent of "the camps". Knowing the true, horrific extent of the Holocaust in hindsight can mar what it was like to be a confused member of a population that was being covertly (at first) removed.
@RAZ0RGAM1NG
@RAZ0RGAM1NG 4 жыл бұрын
I got to meet a man who was a young teenager at the time and he remembers smuggling an mg34 through the sewer among many other things, great man to listen to, incredible experience meeting someone who was a part of resisting.
@Tightmanhole
@Tightmanhole 4 жыл бұрын
ah so he murdered Germans
@ifyoudontfailyouarenoteven6210
@ifyoudontfailyouarenoteven6210 4 жыл бұрын
Seems like a story from the Warsaw Uprising, 1944.
@agenericbot
@agenericbot 4 жыл бұрын
@@Tightmanhole they say every time a nazi dies an angel gets its wings
@futuresonex
@futuresonex 4 жыл бұрын
One group of Jews who did quite well were the Bielski partisans from Nowogródek in Belarus. The Bielskis were one of the most successful partisan groups of the war. They essentially created an entire community in the dense forests surrounding Nowogródek, and, unlike most other partisan groups, they took on and sheltered all the Jews who came to them whether they could fight or not. After the war Tuvia Bielski, the overall leader of the group, was offered a high rank in the IDF, but, tired of war, he turned it down, immigrated to the U.S. and became a cab driver in New York. Upon his death in 1987 he was buried in a hero's cemetery in Jerusalem.
@SportbikerNZ
@SportbikerNZ 4 жыл бұрын
Looks like you brought some worms out the woodwork with szary and electronicgrinsch. Szary linked to the wider "Soviet Partisans" because he hoped that readers would be too stupid to differentiate them from "Bielski partisans" which were not part of the Naliboki massacre.
@politykzzamiedzy
@politykzzamiedzy 4 жыл бұрын
@@SportbikerNZ sir, I think that you should read between the paragraphs and from time to time trust other sources than the Wikipedia. For example: justice4poland.com/2016/05/11/the-untold-story-of-naboliki/ www.minelinks.com/war/bandits_1.html Best regards!
@SportbikerNZ
@SportbikerNZ 4 жыл бұрын
@@politykzzamiedzy I suggest you employ at least a scrap of sensibility and look beyond revisionist garbage to actual historians. But that wouldn't suite your agenda would it?
@kayt9627
@kayt9627 4 жыл бұрын
szary_obywatel RP ah yes the reliable history websites.... justice4poland and minelinks.......
@Archangelm127
@Archangelm127 4 жыл бұрын
For an undergrad paper, that's pretty damn good.
@philllax1719
@philllax1719 4 жыл бұрын
Isnt 595 graduat level?
@benhooper1956
@benhooper1956 4 жыл бұрын
A fascinating paper, I had not realised that Treblinka was actually destroyed by an armed uprising, it is not covered when watching the documentaries. I won't say I am glad, because no one deserves to be there in the first place, but it does put a new perspective on things, now that I have heard the stories of some who said No, in the face of evil.
@wingatebarraclough3553
@wingatebarraclough3553 4 жыл бұрын
It wasn't, actually
@hochimane6535
@hochimane6535 4 жыл бұрын
Sobibor too
@seanerichsen7473
@seanerichsen7473 4 жыл бұрын
it was destroyed after it happened. the germans were retreating from the russians so they had to close the camp
@pompadour_gagarin1723
@pompadour_gagarin1723 4 жыл бұрын
As said, it wasn't directly destroyed by the uprising, but the camp wardens decided to destroy it entirely, by fear that it would be discovered. It was mostly wiped out by fire, but some parts remain deep into the ground nonetheless. If you're interested by this, journalist Vassili Grossman discussed it into his war notes. He was part of the unit that discovered first the site of Treblinka after having been briefed by survivors and locals. He talks about finding glimpses of the massacre such as bags of hairs. It's a pretty frightening read though, be advise. See the book translated and organised by Beevor and Vinogradova, 2013
@Justanotherconsumer
@Justanotherconsumer 4 жыл бұрын
Sobibor is a clearer example.
@faeembrugh
@faeembrugh 4 жыл бұрын
Primo Levi's comments on lack of revolt in camps basically came down to the fact that escape was very difficult once in German custody due to: 1. debilitation due to lack of food 2. unfamiliarity with surrounding areas 3. clothing and appearance 4. lack of money and 5. the threat of reprisals.
@italianboys82
@italianboys82 4 жыл бұрын
Look at Italy for Jewish Resistance. Large percentage of Partisan Groups had Jewish Augments and large amounts of Jewish Italians participated in resistance efforts.
@thomasbernecky2078
@thomasbernecky2078 4 жыл бұрын
in my teens, I worked in a library that had an excellent collection of WW2 material, including that about the camps, and the uprisings in the death factories of Treblinka and Sobibor. I asked the same questions and indeed, have found value in your work here. Thanks Ian.
@johnnyappleseed6415
@johnnyappleseed6415 4 жыл бұрын
Remember, any government, such as it is, only has the power that the people grant it. Their power is derived neither from divinity nor superiority (as most would seem to believe, albeit wrongly) and should always be viewed with a cautious eye. The most important lesson from this video is not only that German leadership was evil, it was that tyranny will always happen when allowed...
@toast2610
@toast2610 4 жыл бұрын
Throughout time tyranny have been dominant and the norm.. not the exception. Just one look at the world and you know the devil is in charge.
@SuqMadiq
@SuqMadiq 4 жыл бұрын
@@jackoates6418 What is it about youtube that attracts neo-nazis such as yourself?
@kairndreamer2885
@kairndreamer2885 4 жыл бұрын
@@jackoates6418 STFU Tyrant-apologist, don't you know that tyranny starts with anticommunism?
@ParabolicBox
@ParabolicBox 4 жыл бұрын
@@fpscanada3862 The threat of Jewish Bolshevism was literally Nazi propaganda of that time period.
@timothydornan6517
@timothydornan6517 4 жыл бұрын
Banastre Tarleton yes, one must admit that Hitler didn’t kill that may people, when compared to Stalin. WHEN COMPARED TO STALIN. Or Mao. Mao made them both look like genocidal noobs. But I’d rather not delve too far into moral equivalency. One murder is too many. Socialism is bad, m’kay?
@caro573
@caro573 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and a very concise summary of the answer to a question many have but are afraid to ask out loud. From my own experiences in far less horrific conditions, I believe that it is human nature to deny what is really happening until our senses are overwhelmed with the reality. My own experience was filled with a sense that no matter how bad this is, when I finally get out of this they will make it impossible to return to my life before, eg., as you mentioned about loved ones, but also about not being able to get one's job back, about a being discredited, about reputations ruined, etc. I doubt not many really thought they would be dead and have no loved ones left until it had really happened, nor that the repressive regime would not still be there waiting for them if they survived. Again, Bravo, and I hope that someone does take up your challenge to further deepen the study of a question which always seems to be shoved under the covers.
@desthecoyote
@desthecoyote Жыл бұрын
I know I'm late, but thank you for sharing. It's a frightening, tragic topic, but it will always be worth discussion. I think you brought a lot of humanity to your research and you've given us all much to think about.
@dougler500
@dougler500 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. I really loved your early point about them not starting their tasks with weapons yet managing to obtain and then use them effectively.
@mattburnett4185
@mattburnett4185 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, one of the basic tenets of guerrilla warfare is that the weapons are generally supplied by the enemy; for example the enemy's rear supply lines are disrupted and raided as much as possible. Of course you guys in America don't have to worry about such things as trying to obtain semi-automatic rifles and ammunition.
@mattburnett4185
@mattburnett4185 4 жыл бұрын
One of the tenets of guerrilla warfare is that the weapons are supplied by the enemy, for example we raid the enemy's rear supply lines for supplies and disrupt (harass, kill and destroy) them (the supply lines, (rear echelon troops and supply vehicles etc. )) as much as possible. Of course in America you guys don't worry about things like that because you can just pull a gun out of your ass
@kevinprice2141
@kevinprice2141 4 жыл бұрын
You sell yourself short. This was powerful, well researched, effective in its underlying message. The premise should be taught. To paraphrase, violent resistance against evil is effective, and preserves the essence of humanity: individual and group dignity, the power of the human spirit under tremendous adversity, and the value of natural rights. Well done.
@rotwang2000
@rotwang2000 4 жыл бұрын
The Jewish people knew the drill, a pogrom, move to another place and then life simply continued. Armed resistance or any other form of action would only give arguments for more persecution and close the doors to the next safe haven. Persecution had almost always been a case of political expediency for some ruler. "Things were bad, we kicked out the Jews, now the future looks bright." Their carefully rehearsed system of least resistance made them vulnerable when people decided that genocide was the next step. Jews were suddenly persecuted everywhere all at once and traditional move to another place in the next country was no longer an option as most could not afford to journey very far. Most Jewish people were already at the bottom of the social ladder, guns were not an option, socially or financially. For a long time the idea that they were not even resisting was enough for most, the nazis went haywire on the idea. Two changes happened, but both failed, one was integration, simply becoming all but invisible to society and Zionism, which was focused on a return to Israel, their homeland, the only place worth fighting for, they would not fight for Prague or Warsaw, except to a few when their backs were against the wall.
@MKultra81
@MKultra81 4 жыл бұрын
This comment section is going to be an absolute shitshow.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, I know.
@zxggwrt
@zxggwrt 4 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately yes 😔
@AR-dq6be
@AR-dq6be 4 жыл бұрын
I sure hope the comments stay. Its kinda fun in it's own way.
@MKultra81
@MKultra81 4 жыл бұрын
@@ForgottenWeapons Great moderation though. I also really enjoyed the video and agree that it would be an incredibly interesting subject for further studies and maybe a documentary.
@irishdragon2311
@irishdragon2311 4 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I think you are right Sir.
@schtevemc7875
@schtevemc7875 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Ian, thanks for the videos! As a Scotsman interested in military history and firearms history I'm well chuffed I found your channel. Unfortunately my neutered country makes firearm ownership for the 'little man' pretty much unobtainable so I'm jealous of the cool stuff you bring to us. Anyway, I enjoy vids and thanks again, keep up the good work my man!
@matthewspencer5086
@matthewspencer5086 4 жыл бұрын
The factor the student Ian missed is skill. For example, in Belarus, Jews and others were deported to the camps from small towns in a vast forest. The obvious thing would have been to escape to the forest, but only some individuals had the skills to survive in the forest, and many people, even from towns in the forest, could only survive (especially in winter) if they met up with and were mentored by individuals with the skills. Somewhat famously, there were three brothers who managed to teach a large number of people to survive in the forest, which was a vital precursor to their fighting back from the forest. Ray Mears did do a good but shortish documentary on (I think the BBC) about this. Fighting, too, requires skill as well as arms, but the foremost skill is SURVIVING in an environment in which the oppressor is uncomfortable or preferably helpless. Decision-taking is a skill, too. Many of our present-day political leaders are astonishingly bad at this, and it is frightening to imagine how they might cope with anything approaching genocide. In the Channel Islands, the problem for escaping slave-labour was finding somewhere to escape to. Slave labour was itself a means of execution (Himmler called it "death through exhaustion) , which means that in the long term even the French population would have been exterminated, because many able-bodied French males were drafted into the slave labour force by mid 1944. Most of the slaves worked to death on Alderney were Russians, but some were Spanish. It is worth noting that Spain was neutral in WW2.
4 жыл бұрын
@@fpscanada3862 Probably smoked too much pot too, huh?
@laylagardner8728
@laylagardner8728 4 жыл бұрын
Spain may have been "neutral" but Franco was a fascist and received German support throughout the Spanish civil war, they were if nothing else a political ally.
@TheArklyte
@TheArklyte 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting take on moderating comments to say the least:D
@batwing-plays
@batwing-plays 3 жыл бұрын
I guess you were referring to the Bielski brothers. They created quite a big band and they were doing the best they could to avoid Germans, but they did some fighting. That was against poor peasants they were stealing food from. Please mind that those villages were near starvation anyway. Bielskis are pretty infamous for their killings of civilians and collaborating with soviet army (please remember, that soviets were considered occupants as much as Germans, for red army was actively involved in WW2 on German side as early as September 1939).
@matthewspencer5086
@matthewspencer5086 3 жыл бұрын
@@batwing-plays Firstly, nothing in your comment actually invalidates the point I was making: regionally-appropriate survival skills are what allow you to last long enough to do some good. Having a gun without those skills will get you (and others) killed pretty swiftly, with those skills you stand a reasonable chance of acquiring a weapon if you do not have one. So you are not going to intimidate me into apologising for making a valid point, let alone delete my comment. Your point, that the Bielski brothers might have _deserved_ to be killed is another issue, about which I am not really qualified to judge. Largely because my source material was obviously filmed and researched with the consent of the current authorities in Belarus, who might well have been disposed to bias things towards condemnation of the NAZIs and a thorough whitewashing of the Soviets. However, the Ray Mears Documentary was also made with the cooperation and participation of people living in the area concerned, who did not mention atrocities by the Bielskis brothers against their parents and grand-parents. Maybe they were all threatened, but that's not something I can assume to be true. It is not my normal practice to respond to comments from readers who hide behind silly and sometimes offensive aliases.
@alexgman1988
@alexgman1988 4 жыл бұрын
I’m not going to say I enjoyed it, because I feel like that would send the wrong message. What I will say is that I believe more historians need to shine light in the dark places, lest we all end up in the dark.
@Namesi
@Namesi 4 жыл бұрын
Well said.
@neilwilson5785
@neilwilson5785 4 жыл бұрын
This is a very clear and concise essay. I did not 'enjoy' it either, but I appreciate it. I can now at least get an idea of the thought process that the people had when trying to fight against an enemy of overwhelming evil, force, and capability.
@mortarriding3913
@mortarriding3913 4 жыл бұрын
I should also mention; my neighbour is a survivor of the camps. We have such a short window left to gather the remaining academic material that can be gathered from the survivors. I should ask her if she's in touch with anyone about it. She's still very lucid.
@warplease
@warplease 4 жыл бұрын
hearing you speak of this brings a lot of emotions. its sobering beyond belief , on one hand I’m trying to think crucially about the information as just a matter of fact history lesson but on the other it definitely pulls on your heart thinking about the horror. very informative Ian !! You just gave me something to think over and do research into for the little while. Keep up with the amazing content gun Jesus
@williamthompson9262
@williamthompson9262 3 жыл бұрын
That was absolutely fascinating, I think we all too often avoid uncomfortable topics like the holocaust. And I agree I would love to see someone expand on your paper
@charles_wipman
@charles_wipman 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting topic; i think that the lack of information was the main reason for the lack of armed opposition to the nazis. Here in Spain we call 'violent resistance' to resistance opposed with the bear hands, knifes, sticks, rocks, pieces of street furniture and Molotov cocktails; we call 'armed resistance' to any resistance opposed with firearms. Back to the topic and what i think was the main reason of the lack of armed resistance by all the groups targeted by the nazis; in our civil war, the faszists came to our town and called all the men between 18 to 55yo to the bullring for be enlisted into "reeducation", once there were enough men in the bullring they'd closed the gates and retired the canvas that covered several MGs on the bullring roof, they'd killed 3500 in several days until everyone knew what will happen if you go peacefully to be "reeducated", so te men stopped going to the bullring for be "reeducated"; then the faszists began to go home by home looking for the men.
@Beretta249
@Beretta249 4 жыл бұрын
Plus you'd get killed on the spot for resisting. And this was after several waves of terror and repression. The idea of meaningfully opposing a mobilized industrial army in your own home is pure fantasy.
@r.ladaria135
@r.ladaria135 3 жыл бұрын
I did not have notice of this barbaric action till today . What was the city and when that horrific facts? That history you tell is very simmilar to the Oradour slaugther... in France 1944... Even in the number of victims. I visited the ruins...
@yeungmankiu5539
@yeungmankiu5539 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Ian, I like having history lesson from you. Especially the one about 1917 French Mutiny during your last trip to France. Please make more video like this bro!
@steelcannibal
@steelcannibal 4 жыл бұрын
Really appreciated this a lot! Its something that truly should never be forgotten. Thank you Ian!
@Pprokop87
@Pprokop87 4 жыл бұрын
there also was the "Bielski Otriad", the militarized group organized and led by polish jews, the Bielski Brothers. They operated and hid themselwes in Nabolicki Forrest near Nowogrod.
@k9vendettathewolfofmordor529
@k9vendettathewolfofmordor529 4 жыл бұрын
definitely an interesting listen. just found your channel this morning and im absolutely loving it
@RichardCranium321
@RichardCranium321 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, what did you do before you found the light that is gun Jesus? Also- welcome to the group & I apologize ahead of time for the few assholes that occasionally dwell in the comments. Ian does amazing, in depth, detailed work & uploads daily. Occasionally he covers political history (like this) or why certain things were done militarily, but usually he does something specific, like prototype weaponry & military trials guns along with the reports taken at the trials. I hope you enjoy it as much as I have & if you get the chance, check out inrangetv. It's another channel (by Carl & Ian) where things you'd likely see here are actually put to the test in the field, just as they would've been in battle, but they also get into newer firearms still in production as well over there where here it's mainly the ones nearly lost to history & time.
@RichardCranium321
@RichardCranium321 4 жыл бұрын
@m g ok, few things. 1) if comments are being deleted, I highly doubt they're relevant to the topic of the video 2) it is mostly always someone else who reports your comment to KZbin to be reviewed 3) IF it's deleted, it's most likely KZbin that did it 4) IF he admits to deleting something, there's probably a good reason 5) KZbin holds him responsible for the actions of ppl in his comments & ultimately it IS HIS channel to do with as he sees best suits the interest of continuation & furthering his "free digital catalog" passion through capitalist means, not his fault KZbin sets the market rules.... guess it was well over a few things, you missed a lot by using a blanket statement.
@RichardCranium321
@RichardCranium321 4 жыл бұрын
@m g what is the comment, I seen your reply hours ago & was waiting for it. Highly doubt Ian waits on such trivial things as comments he may or may not agree with. I've personally communicated with him in the past & really, truly doubt he goes within an internal comment thread just to look for something to delete. He has far too much to do but occasionally he does have the time to reach out to people that support the channel. Also, it's not "misleading censorship" if he can be removed for your actions when it's actually KZbin forcing the executioners axe. THEY claim to be an open platform that enjoys the protection of section 230 laws but they're running it as a publishing company. Meaning they evade punishment from laws that they then twist & use against those they disagree with for their own corporate gain. THAT is censorship in its most blatant form.
@zaintiraris
@zaintiraris 4 жыл бұрын
I'm impressed that you seem to have very consistent delivery of material over a significant period of time.
@cesargonzalez4146
@cesargonzalez4146 4 жыл бұрын
I'm trying to figure young Ian reading his paper in front of class, while carrying a concealed Glock on the waist.
@RadioMartyT1B
@RadioMartyT1B 4 жыл бұрын
You are profoundly ignorant and tone-deaf to the recent wave of school shootings.
@universal1014
@universal1014 4 жыл бұрын
@@RadioMartyT1B and you are profoundly ignorant to comedy
@416loren
@416loren 4 жыл бұрын
@@RadioMartyT1B Hopefully, you're being sarcastic as well.
@cesargonzalez4146
@cesargonzalez4146 4 жыл бұрын
@@RadioMartyT1B What about legitimate personal defense concealed carrying?
@TotalRookie_LV
@TotalRookie_LV 4 жыл бұрын
More or less the same everywhere - GULAG system in USSR, Khmer Rouge regime, and numerous others. It is really, really hard to believe someone would do something *that* insane and evil, so people don't resist, sometimes they try to prove their loyalty to regime and even refuse to believe they got imprisoned intentionally, not by a mistake.
@rabulisten
@rabulisten 4 жыл бұрын
Kudos..it takes guts to read old texts one has written long time ago. Specially when subject matter is difficult. A lot of gun rights people tend to look at these events simplistically. However its really hard to say how one may react when ones loved ones are held hostage in a camp.
@ronaldjohnson1474
@ronaldjohnson1474 11 ай бұрын
Not difficult at all, if you have courage!
@d0nutwaffle
@d0nutwaffle 4 жыл бұрын
Ian, a couple of times you mention that leadership in resistance was in no short supply, but I wonder, what made you think so? What was the source for the particular bit of info? Also curious about your usage of the word "gypsy", I could swear in english it is supposed to have a demeaning connotation.
@davidwortham6547
@davidwortham6547 4 жыл бұрын
As a fellow firearms enthusiast and historian, I found this video very interesting and would enjoy seeing more of this type of content in addition to firearms specific content we are used to enjoying on this channel. And dont worry, every historian looks back on old papers and cringes just a bit as far as how one could do better today. I thought it was a very well written piece. Thank you for sharing.
@irishdragon2311
@irishdragon2311 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent paper Sir very well narrated many thanks. I am a huge history buff and just recently found your channel and am absolutely loving mass watching your uploads. Thank you Ian Greetings from Dublin Ireland👋👋👋
@MinimumSpeedOperator
@MinimumSpeedOperator 4 жыл бұрын
I think it was a great paper that was concise and focused with enough context to be relevant even to the layperson.
@Nordy941
@Nordy941 4 жыл бұрын
Big fan More history videos like this one. My favorite part of your content is when you give the historical context and back story of the firearms you review. A video like this from time to time would be awesome.
@JReed305
@JReed305 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! I spend a lot of time in Poland for work and the events discussed are always remembered there.
@bas6601
@bas6601 4 жыл бұрын
I would recommend watching the movie Uprising. I think it was shown in two parts on NBC in 2001. I thought it was an excellent film about the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, and it was very surprising to see something like it shown on a major network. Sadly,. I doubt they would air it today.
@pjmeis5226
@pjmeis5226 4 жыл бұрын
Not without legal challenge from the Polish govmt anyway
@charlesmiller6826
@charlesmiller6826 4 жыл бұрын
To paraphrase the old saying "Those who do not understand history, they are damned to repeat it"
@sethy5136
@sethy5136 4 жыл бұрын
Wow what a great paper Ian! I thought it was quite detailed. Very impressive to be written in your school years. A+
@eliane2743
@eliane2743 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis and conclusion. Thanks a lot for sharing.
@RichardCranium321
@RichardCranium321 4 жыл бұрын
Wait, you mean pistols are barely viable options for defense & rifles are absolutely necessary? 🤔
@werewally3156
@werewally3156 4 жыл бұрын
Against trained soldiers with rifles yeah.
@ewathoughts8476
@ewathoughts8476 4 жыл бұрын
A handgun is only a marginal means of obtaining a rifle.
@Felix-ve9hs
@Felix-ve9hs 4 жыл бұрын
@@ewathoughts8476 this sound like Far Cry 😂👌
@RichardCranium321
@RichardCranium321 4 жыл бұрын
@@werewally3156 pistol against anyone trained with anything other than a folding pocket knife is insufficient in my book, I don't care if it's a soldier, a criminal, or a corrupt power hungry dictator, pistols are barely viable means of defense. Though compact & better than nothing, pistols are not nearly as efficient or effective as rifles & (due to laws of physics) never will be without drastic unknown advancements in technology, if even then...
@RichardCranium321
@RichardCranium321 4 жыл бұрын
@@ewathoughts8476 agreed, mine is just to get me to my truck or safe. I'm not one for marginal means, I prefer to be prepared ahead of time.
@frederic5335
@frederic5335 4 жыл бұрын
I just watched this video after finishing the citations on a paper with almost the same topic, motivations for and factors preventing resistance in thr vilna ghetto; very fascinating subject and great video!
@philconti1945
@philconti1945 3 жыл бұрын
great video, very interesting information, i would love to see more videos like that
@simpleman9208
@simpleman9208 4 жыл бұрын
Should be your next book. Got several copies of the Kickstarter book I'm ready to read when they arrive.
@kodiakkeith
@kodiakkeith 4 жыл бұрын
One overlooks the ingrained cultural lessons of surviving for fifty generations in an often hostile Europe. That lesson was 'keep your head down until it passes.' It took a while for the realization to dawn that this wasn't just another political upheaval or pogrom. This time it wasn't going to pass. It was the end.
@everettchris1
@everettchris1 4 жыл бұрын
This is a huge factor.
@garywheeler7039
@garywheeler7039 4 жыл бұрын
Himmler was a chicken farmer. Poultry farmers understand industrialized killing. It has become a science, once you get the animal upside down with their feet in the stainless steel rungs, its almost all automatic.
@AhuizotlXiuh
@AhuizotlXiuh 4 жыл бұрын
@@fpscanada3862 Care to enlighten us then?
@donkeydonk96
@donkeydonk96 4 жыл бұрын
Strong in group preference and actual xenophobia. I think Jews don't lend money to other Jews, wonder why?
@PobortzaPl
@PobortzaPl 4 жыл бұрын
@@donkeydonk96 Because lending money to non-Jews might led to being expelled from neighbourhood or even death? Sometimes even dukes and kings acted in that manner towards Jews that lent them money.
@petha6060
@petha6060 4 жыл бұрын
A most inspiring piece coming from a school student and your progress now is a tribute to early sentiments. When I was at school, with similar sentiments, I read a book about the Treblinka revolt. I don't recall the title or author but the title may have been 'Treblinka'. The organizational strategy was carefully described and revealed a highly committed and disciplined group of people which began when a man who was despairing at the sight of his companions killing themselves to escape an existential hell decided to approach a person preparing to hang himself and convinced him that to throw his life away is a waste when he could perhaps use the act to take at least one of the guards with him. After gaining his trust he was told to do the same to any prisoners about to do the same. The only members who a person could betray were two; the one who approached him and the person he recruited and slowly the group grew and organized the breakout you described. I recall this from the late 70's and is no doubt somewhat inaccurate. I also recall that after the breakout a handful of the escapees got back to the Warsaw ghetto to tell the people what went on in the camps and to theirs and my dismay the general opinion of the ghetto was disbelief. Perhaps you could shed some light on this.
@gustavlicht9620
@gustavlicht9620 4 жыл бұрын
Speaking of cooperation with the Germans as a survival strategy and leadership, you need to look into Chaim Rumkowski from Lodz. The diary of Dawid Sierakowiak gives a first person account of life under Rumkowski's rule.
@Saskmopar
@Saskmopar 4 жыл бұрын
Gustav Licht , ever hear or read anything about George Soros' cooperation with the Nazis?
@PobortzaPl
@PobortzaPl 4 жыл бұрын
Escape from Sobibor, 1987, with Rutger Hauer as one of conspiracy leaders.
@dobeekind
@dobeekind 4 жыл бұрын
yes sir! excellent video!
@wingatebarraclough3553
@wingatebarraclough3553 4 жыл бұрын
.. keeping in mind it, like the James bond series, was not a documentary...
@aftershock2222
@aftershock2222 4 жыл бұрын
I believe Alan Arlin was also in it.
@IEatPooPooForFun
@IEatPooPooForFun 4 жыл бұрын
There’s a great song by, Daniel Kahn and the Painted Birds, titled ‘Six Million Germans’ that describes the Nakam group lead by Abba Kovner that wanted to take action against the Germans for the holocaust Post-WWII
@IEatPooPooForFun
@IEatPooPooForFun 4 жыл бұрын
Also the thumbnail is of the partisan Nakam group with Abba Kovner being second from the right at the back
@kyloren3693
@kyloren3693 4 жыл бұрын
Really informative essay on a subject I frankly always wondered about. Super interesting backstory to a topic not often discussed.
@DuaneThomas1963
@DuaneThomas1963 2 жыл бұрын
I believe another factor was the role of many Jewish religious i.e. moral leaders. One of my Facebook Friends is of Russian Jewish extraction, and we wound up in a discussion of the question, "How can so many Jews in America support gun control, disarming themselves even after seeing the results of the Holocaust, while by contrast so many Jews in Israel are quite comfortable taking up arms for their own and other's defense?" I am paraphrasing from memory, but his reply went something along the lines of this: "Under the Cossacks, Jews were helpless victims. Women were routinely raped, any male who resisted was summarily murdered. Literally any sort of resistance was an automatic death sentence, with no hope of victory. In that sort of environment, this presented a profound ethical dilemma: how to justify, on a moral level, a willingness to stand by and do nothing while your wife or daughter is raped, your children and friends and relatives are murdered? "The solution, on the part of Jewish religious leaders, was to come to the conclusion, 'Violence is wrong. Period. It is never morally justifiable under any circumstances. So, you see, it's not that we're cowards who will stand by and not lift a hand to protect those we love, to protect our own from rape, terrorization, murder, for fear of our own death. It's because we're too morally admirable to lower ourselves to the level of our oppressors. Because we're BETTER than them.' "This attitude was, and is, common among Jewish religious leaders, not limited to Russia. Among Jews who fled the Nazis and wound up in America, ironically it's their very existence in a society where they are not, by and large, at risk of death, that has allowed their religious leadership to continue on with that attitude, that belief in the moral superiority of non-violence, non-resistance. By contrast, the Jews who stayed in the Old World, who survived the death camps, many of whom eventually wound up in Israel, a small country surrounded by larger countries intent on wiping them off the face of the earth, learned a very different lesson."
@shoemender972
@shoemender972 4 жыл бұрын
Kinda makes you think...about what's going on right now. Na it won't get worse, right? (It most certainly will if left unchallenged)
@TheGreenKnight500
@TheGreenKnight500 4 жыл бұрын
This is a topic I've always wondered about. Thanks for making this video.
@Spitsz01
@Spitsz01 4 жыл бұрын
"Defiance;The Bielski Partisans" was a good example of Jewish resistance, although in partisan form. Interesting subject and indeed not enough researched. Who doesn't like a good story about resistance, survival and revenge. Still waiting patiently for your book Ian:)
@alexthehun24gaming58
@alexthehun24gaming58 4 жыл бұрын
That was a good movie.
@andrewwaterman9240
@andrewwaterman9240 4 жыл бұрын
Nicely researched and written paper. Maybe expand for your next book?
@GianmarioScotti
@GianmarioScotti 4 жыл бұрын
That was really good, Ian. Thank you for reading us your essay.
@FoxMacLeod2501
@FoxMacLeod2501 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for reading this to us. Education and knowledge, valuable as they were in the process of motivating those who thought survival could have been obtained through obedience, are also crucial tools for helping keep people from unwittingly going along with future genocidal rhetoric and actions. I know you know that, but it apparently needs to be said as much as possible. Thanks for getting through it and reading to us. It can't have been the easiest or most pleasant thing to do.
@alandavis9974
@alandavis9974 4 жыл бұрын
It answerd a few questions for me. Well done and thank you.
@stevecastro1325
@stevecastro1325 3 жыл бұрын
Very informative and enlightening; thanks so much!
@kylelewis3412
@kylelewis3412 4 жыл бұрын
A very interesting subject. If you ever decided to explore this more in-depth and write and entire book on it I would defiantly read it
@terencegamble4548
@terencegamble4548 4 жыл бұрын
Ian, I always enjoy your videos - great quality, informative, interesting and usually a great story. This episode is strong meat and probably historically the most important yet and undoubtedly relevant in today's world. Very best wishes from South West Scotland.
@wallaroo1295
@wallaroo1295 4 жыл бұрын
Read the book, "Ordinary Men" about how German Reserve "Police" Battalion 101 went from what we would effectively call our "National Guard" to executioners. It is an excellent book, which delves into the psychology behind the descent into evil.
@frittsm6417
@frittsm6417 4 жыл бұрын
I have and I have met the author. The author is an honest writer and should be believed. Also he is a good hockey player.
@wallaroo1295
@wallaroo1295 4 жыл бұрын
@@frittsm6417 A hockey player?! No shit? That's pretty cool! The descent into madness, is a complicated thing - which we are all capable of.
@stuartmenziesfarrant
@stuartmenziesfarrant 2 жыл бұрын
Love this content, this is the one question that sticks in my mind whenever I think about the Holocaust. I agree with your conclusion. Surely it is better to a least have a dignified end and not give up that last freedom to fight.
@menachembenyakov
@menachembenyakov 3 жыл бұрын
Would like to know why my personal observations post was removed. Was it done by the server or someone else?
@rinflame44
@rinflame44 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Ian for sharing this fascinating topic with us. I was one of the people that asked for it under your Q&A and never would have envisioned there might be so much negative response. In that sense I would also like to add my gratitude for your courage and determination towards education. While it is a simplified view of a complex topic (not sure why people expect anything else from a few-page long undergrad essay) I think not many people (in general public) know there even was any armed resistance among the Jews during WWII (I certainly didn't) so this is very beneficial. If nothing else it provides a good foundation for further discussion and one can only hope those who disagree will take the opportunity to contribute to the conversation and enhance our overall understanding of the topic. Which most certainly won't happen because this is the internet after all but you seem to have a fairly academically minded audience so you never know.
@ChristofHarper
@ChristofHarper 4 жыл бұрын
Deniers gonna deny. Nothing you can do about it, really, except keep providing the information and the history in a calm and matter-of-fact manner
@toast2610
@toast2610 4 жыл бұрын
@@ChristofHarper compliments on the proper use of the denier trademark.. if you are not on the right side when using it you are infringing.
@danielkonig3137
@danielkonig3137 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you... While, as you said, not as in depth as truly needed... I thank you and I think it is well done...
@330FoeSho
@330FoeSho 4 жыл бұрын
So those who did turn to fighting had nothing left to lose. I find it interesting that the others didn't choose to fight for their lives in hopes of saving something later on. I think this is a more common outcome in human history than we like to admit.
@wingnutx
@wingnutx 2 жыл бұрын
'Escape From Sobibor' is a great movie.
@samhansen9771
@samhansen9771 4 жыл бұрын
"Don't worry Finnigan, the Russians will be unarmed." "But Hans, aren't Russian soldiers known for their prowess in melee combat?" "You worry too much!"
@user-xq5og9lt8p
@user-xq5og9lt8p 4 жыл бұрын
It reminds me of Sobibor survivor's tale. It went something like this: "Our foreman managed to acquire some axes and knives, but then we had to decide who was still strong enough to quickly dispatch a guard. He came to me and asked "Can you kill a person with an axe?". I honestly replied: "No. I can kill a fascist with ease though"...
@samhansen9771
@samhansen9771 4 жыл бұрын
@@user-xq5og9lt8p lol badass
@overlorddante
@overlorddante 4 жыл бұрын
Great example of why civilians need sufficient arms. You don't need a gun until you need one.
@remcodenouden5019
@remcodenouden5019 4 жыл бұрын
How can you say "ahh, they'll only kill 60,000 out of 300,000, we're not going to do anything about that"?? If your chances of being killed are already 1:5, I'd say go for it.
@Kharmazov
@Kharmazov 4 жыл бұрын
Until they will bring on tanks, artillery and bombers like they did in the Warsaw uprising.
@iicekingak47
@iicekingak47 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your paper!
@peterkeane7767
@peterkeane7767 4 жыл бұрын
It is generally a threshold event to enter into significant Violence for most people even now,and Social Conditioning was stronger then.The World had not experienced many of the Genocidal events that subsequently occurred and general belief in the likely safety inherent in compliance would still have prevaled.Certainly current Jewish and especially Israeli attitudes (and in many cases Military training) would now mean attitudes were different,as the desire to ensure such events never befall them again is very active.
@winkleried
@winkleried 4 жыл бұрын
PETER KEANE Most of the Jews I know have forgotten and are little better than the ones that willingly lived in the ghettos. They are very vocal about how they are to be protected by the current authorities.
@peterkeane7767
@peterkeane7767 4 жыл бұрын
@@SilverShamrockNovelties I think in Europe the general conditioning was stronger mostly due to Judeo Christian Morality still being the 'Norm' and people still identifying with their percieved 'Community' While we are indeed subjected to more controlling influences now they are more individualised and in many ways more targetted and 'bespoke'.Also 'Forgotten Trends' could have a role here,as the popularity and Support for Fascism in Europe and the United States pre and up to late WW2 affected many peoples attitudes and acceptance of many crimes against Minorities.
@peterkeane7767
@peterkeane7767 4 жыл бұрын
@@winkleried Its hard to respond without more specifics,but certainly in Israel attitudes and abilities would now make for far greater and probably armed resistance to any direct attempts to threaten especially Jewish interests.The 'Never again' concept is part and parcel of formal education and has been demonstrated by events such the response to 'Entebbe' and the active role Mossad take in ensuring Israeli security is seen as being actively defended.
@winkleried
@winkleried 4 жыл бұрын
PETER KEANE I am talking about the attitude inside the United States. Israel is a whole ‘nother ball of wax entirely.
@lostsaxon7478
@lostsaxon7478 4 жыл бұрын
The world has experienced far more genocides before then. Ever hear of Rome or Genghis Khan? That and there was genocide going on in the Soviet Union before the war even started, but they’re the “good guys” so 10+ million people dying is no big deal. Nor the millions of Germans who were killed following the end of the 2nd World War. Humanity is not a new comer to genocide nor does it truly even care about it.
@chrisspencer6502
@chrisspencer6502 4 жыл бұрын
I think this issue easy to over simplify because as one guy pointed out about the French resistance, for one night they made a difference. This made up for the fact in general it was easier for them to fight eachother.
@wingatebarraclough3553
@wingatebarraclough3553 4 жыл бұрын
Pretty much, the french "resistance " were gangsters who murdered far more innocent french than they did germans.
@alexthehun24gaming58
@alexthehun24gaming58 4 жыл бұрын
@@wingatebarraclough3553 Can you cite some sources.
@blob22201
@blob22201 4 жыл бұрын
Lindybeige I assume?
@dobypilgrim6160
@dobypilgrim6160 4 жыл бұрын
Ian...I am a LONGTIME subscriber (since the VERY beginning) and yet this video is not in my feed. What the hell is KZbin doing now? Goddammit!
@gracej79
@gracej79 4 жыл бұрын
Need to click the bell to be notified of all videos from a channel or KZbin will limit the number of videos per channel.
@timcanterbury9738
@timcanterbury9738 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. "Mila 18" by Leon Uris. Never forget.
@YCCCm7
@YCCCm7 4 жыл бұрын
I personally think "The Night of Broken Glass" served as a strong deterrent to future violent actions. If your resistance skirmish causes a fast forward in the destruction of local jewish communities, you might be worried that you'll do more harm with the action in question than good. Thus, the process of building up momentum is incredibly difficult to get started, without getting cold feet. Fear tactics and retaliation would be a strong contributing factor when faced against the already, seemingly unstoppable onslaught of the german army.
@MrJonsonville5
@MrJonsonville5 4 жыл бұрын
Plus in Germany their rights were removed ahead of time, and they didn't have access to weapons. They were also vastly outnumbered. A lot of Jews in unoccupied areas fought though.
@lamolambda8349
@lamolambda8349 4 жыл бұрын
The best thing to do is just to try and get out violent resistance was pretty pointless, well maybe if your in a occupied area you could join the local resistance, but other than that.
@wingatebarraclough3553
@wingatebarraclough3553 4 жыл бұрын
..... what was the name of that foreign minister that got assasinated by the communist terrorist Greenspan...?
@christianhoffmann8607
@christianhoffmann8607 4 жыл бұрын
@@wingatebarraclough3553 got a scholarly source for Greenspan being a communist mate? :3
@clasdauskas
@clasdauskas 4 жыл бұрын
@@christianhoffmann8607 Of course not :)
@conorobrien2411
@conorobrien2411 4 жыл бұрын
That was a good listen. Love the forgotten history side of your channel. It is so important to remember what has happened not even 100 years ago.
@afretz1a4
@afretz1a4 4 жыл бұрын
This is the content I love to see from you, though I feel that this would be more at home on the InRange channel, where you and Karl already have historical event focused videos like the Underground Railroad series.
@speckledjim5402
@speckledjim5402 4 жыл бұрын
Amateurish or not, it was well written, concise and quite interesting. Cheers Ian.
@hotforrobot
@hotforrobot 4 жыл бұрын
Useless or not, the above comment exists in the comment section of a Forgotten Weapons video. Cheers Jim.
@speckledjim5402
@speckledjim5402 4 жыл бұрын
@@hotforrobot no worries.
@marcinepicki1719
@marcinepicki1719 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Ian, for this video. For anyone interested - the second biggest ghetto uprising during WWII took place in Bialystok, where I happen to live. Sadly, it was not very different from Vilnius and Warsaw you have described in your paper - uprising was defeated, ghetto got liquidated, and just a few of the fighters managed to escape. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bia%C5%82ystok_Ghetto_uprising
@Trump1488
@Trump1488 4 жыл бұрын
Wikipedia? Don't suppose you have any legitimate sources?
@SuqMadiq
@SuqMadiq 4 жыл бұрын
@@Trump1488 wikipedia is full of legitimate sources.... Click the page, and scroll down to references. It's pretty simple to do.
@Trump1488
@Trump1488 4 жыл бұрын
@@SuqMadiq Secondary sources aren't legitimate. wikipedia only allows secondary sources, unless something has changed.
@SuqMadiq
@SuqMadiq 4 жыл бұрын
@@Trump1488 They've always allowed primary sources, and secondary sources can absolutely be "legitimate".
@Trump1488
@Trump1488 4 жыл бұрын
@@SuqMadiq Founder Jimmy Wales admitted years ago that they manipulate the pages to fit his radical politics. Some random dude's blog is a secondary source, I wouldn't call that legitimate, but you can. If they allowed primary sources you'd be able to edit a page that slanders you, but you can't if it's disputed by a source.
@wspencerwatkins
@wspencerwatkins 4 жыл бұрын
I’m glad to see a thoughtful inquiry into this, thanks for all the content
@markmcgrath6812
@markmcgrath6812 4 жыл бұрын
Loved the knowledge.
@martinh2783
@martinh2783 4 жыл бұрын
Great video Ian! Not that I find you work on weapons and their history boring but I really like when you do other related history videos.
@bob-wo3ir
@bob-wo3ir 4 жыл бұрын
There were Jewish Germans veterans from WW1 who fought for Germany and were very patriotic and never in a million years thought that the Germans will go after them.
@noff5471
@noff5471 4 жыл бұрын
And there were thousands of Jewish in the wehrmacht fighting for Germany in WWII also
@MangasColoradas941
@MangasColoradas941 4 жыл бұрын
@@noff5471 almost every single one of them was a mischlinge or only debatably Jewish, this is of course based of of Nazi racial law as opposed to jewish law in which case none of them were Jews just zera yisroel
@mf--
@mf-- 4 жыл бұрын
One topic I do not believe was mentioned was the legal disarming of the unapproved population. 1928 & 1938 laws
@dr.johnpaladinshow9747
@dr.johnpaladinshow9747 4 жыл бұрын
Next week... what I did on my summer vacation. Thanks Ian... nice work.
@quinnc.2710
@quinnc.2710 4 жыл бұрын
Good read on the Warsaw ghetto uprising is Isaac's army.
@quinnc.2710
@quinnc.2710 4 жыл бұрын
@m g why am I watching a video response to Ben Shapiro by some kraut? I mean I will but some background would be good
@sir0herrbatka
@sir0herrbatka 4 жыл бұрын
Didn't see video yet, but It is nice to see historical content from you Ian. Historical videos on the inrange tv is probabbly cherry on top there!
@katamarankatamaranovich9986
@katamarankatamaranovich9986 Жыл бұрын
That's some pretty good writing right there. Especially the ending.
@ShiceSquad
@ShiceSquad 2 жыл бұрын
Nevermind if it was a trifle on the simplistic side - that conclusion was EPIC!
@neutralobserver3423
@neutralobserver3423 4 жыл бұрын
"...the fact that violence can save lives is often ignored or forgotten." ( 21:06 ) Ian "The certainty of a violent response is the best deterrent to evil." Neutral Observer
@noah_hill
@noah_hill 4 жыл бұрын
that sounds like we should be targeting the alphabet bois now or its to late.
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