Forgotten Super Villains: Lifeform

[@bubbabibleman5970]

This guy is actually genuinely interesting. A sentient virus made of flesh that keeps growing with each appearance plus a tragic backstory. I'm surprised no writer has brought back Lifeform as of yet.

[@paxhumana2015]

I wonder if Lifeform would ever make contact with the Phalanx virus? If that happened, imagine how much worse things would get.

[@Coffeemug67]

It would of been epic if lifeforms apper in immortal hulk

[@Kingcj2001]

His final form reminds me of a Shoggoth of Lovecraftien lore. The Lifeform is truly a tragic bastard, but that makes him compelling. There are any number of scenarios that could easily bring him back. Hell, Thanos could bring him up when talking about the cruelty of mercy and how his devotion to death ends suffering, but I'm rambling now. Good character, not nearly enough love.

[@rulebook6836]

Wow. I really loved this one. Sad that they don't use him anymore.

[@harryjuniper3530]

Rule Book same

[@Spicystachegamer]

The best hope of bringing these forgotten characters to the light of youtube is that maybe just maybe we'll get to see them again in other media I for one liked this character for being so unique and would like to ask why he was forgotten?

[@rulebook6836]

Spicystachegamer328 420 My best guess as to why is because his story is a very depressing one and it would be tough for him to appear in other media, but I do hope he does.

[@patrickwebb7311]

Rule Book I agree, they should use him more.

[@raiseanothermanskidsforlov4920]

@@patrickwebb7311 DC brought back dr death after like 40 years so Marvel can definitely bring back lifeform

[@dublinpaper]

What a tragic, yet horror-filled story arc. Poor George never did anything to deserve the ghastly curse he be given. Just to know that under all that husk of a creature, there is a living soul who has been trapped inside, begging to die. If only Silver Surfer could understand that leaving George stuck on a lifeless planet was a fate worst than death. Surfer would be doing a service to him, not stealing away his life. But freeing it. I truly hope they can bring back Lifeform and put an end to George's suffering, once and for all.

[@j.j.hatter8444]

(whistles) Wow, wow, and WOW again. Okay, so...I read the first of the Lifeform's stories, but none of the others. Now that I know his full story...my God, I don't know what to SAY. I NEED to look up all four of these annuals and actually read them. Because, truth be told, at least based on your description alone...this may be one of my favorite stories I've heard about, and could easily be one of my favorites I've read, in ALL of comics. It kind of sounds like Marvel meets Resident Evil. I mean...giant mutant blob-beast created by a freaky virus? That's a lot of great Resident Evil baddies in a nutshell. I love superhero stories that really do question what it means to be a hero. Especially when it comes to the "no killing" rule. Not to say death is necessarily justifiable, but in a case like this, where it seems to be the only way to HELP someone? Then you really do have a conundrum. What makes a hero, in my opinion, different from an anti-hero or a villain is the way they value life. If Batman killed the Joker or Ra's Al Ghul, for example, he would be saving countless lives...but he values life for life's sake, and he recognizes that if he crossed that line, it could only get worse from there. A lot of heroes feel the same way: they either don't want to go into that dark place, or they don't want to RETURN to that dark place (which is kind of the situation with the Surfer, by the way), so they resist the temptation. But then you have stories like this where, honestly, death seems like it really is the only way out. Cynical and horrifying as it is, it seems to be the only way for Prufock to be set free and for Lifeform to be destroyed. So the fact the Surfer chooses not to kill the beast really questions what he values, and why. You actually don't get that kind of stuff with these stories as I think many people like to say, and that really does make this a fascinating idea. Honestly, I think it would be VERY easy to bring Lifeform back, and bring a satisfactory end to his story. What if Prufock, abandoned and left to his own private Hell, basically snaps and actually becomes so filled with rage he ends up overtaking the ghastly creation around him. Now HE drives the truck, so to speak. And he decides he's going to go and get revenge on the guy who damned him to this eternal Hell in the first place. In the end, either the Surfer or somebody else FINALLY annhilates the Lifeform...and right before he disappears forever, George speaks only two words to them: "Thank you."

[@animation1234111]

John Robledo Hell, it’s even worst here. The Surfer was ready to blast a hole in the monster until he saw George was in it. He' shown a willingness to kill on many occasions.

[@llewelynshingler2173]

For optimal effect, have the Surfer say "I am truly sorry." Either as he kills the monster or as George is thanking him.

[@mr.rogues4145]

John Robledo Wow, so you read the worst part only? Haha. Early 90s Punisher by Mike Baron never was that great.. I also feel the first part doesn't jive that well with the other three, in terms of George's characterization. It would be easy to bring him back yeah, and your idea sounds like a good way to go. It is strange they never did anything like that. My only guesses are, they either forgot the character, or like I said, felt he was too gruesome and bleak. Anyway, hope you do hunt down the other three annuals! ;)

[@j.j.hatter8444]

I think that's why I didn't bother looking up the last three parts. I actually forgot the story till you did this video ont he character. XD

[@cherrycandygina]

If I was hired as a writer for Marvel, my first act would to make a comic where Galactus consumes the planet Lifeform is on, so he can FINALLY get put to rest.

[@ElazarY]

Porcupine Productions yeah, exactly. Galactus is the most uninterestingly OP character.

[@syweb2]

Galactus already went there and did that. That's why the planet is so dead.

[@toonbat]

Yipes. What if the lifeform is so powerful, it actually infects Galactus, though, sending him on a mad feeding frenzy?

[@brunfranc]

You just know that if Alan Moore was writing this, Lifeform whould have turned into a living planet like Ego or evolved into some sort of god-like being that seeds uninhabited worlds with life.

[@gilbertotabares8196]

tragic. I never understood why, even if it's in the name of mercy, some of these heroes just refuse to kill.if this happened in D.C., if it was Superman he'd probably refuse to kill him, but he'd still contain him and try to find a cure.

[@blackmercury2796]

Damn, that's one thing I find truly saddening. It all starts with just someone trying to impress someone else in their life and it's immediately taken away from them. As a previous commenter stated, I would love Marvel to bring back the character only to give him the conclusion he needs. His death. I think it would be great if they got Surfer to end him this time around. Like maybe they could incorporate all the guilt the Surfer had built up from basically condemning a man to his own eternal Hell, make it really haunt him over the years. I can understand not bringing back the character for so long, as you stated how grotesque and dark the character is, plus I believe it would be annoying just to illustrate the character panel to panel. I do find it interesting that The Lifeform kinda rose up to hero to hero in each issue he's appeared. The transition from Punisher to Silver Surfer really boggles my mind.

[@paxhumana2015]

The solution is simple for an ending for Lifeform...scientists make a cure for the virus that affected Lifeform and boom, no more Lifeform.

[@one_man_community]

@@paxhumana2015 You can't just make a cure. Gotta have some solid writing and story arcs to back up that boring premise.

[@springssprangyard8278]

...What a horrifying trainwreck. It truly does not get any worse than that ending... geez.

[@sharkfinbite]

So sad. It needs to be settled and provide that guy closure.

[@mr.rogues4145]

Yeah, pretty strange they NEVER did.. it's been 28 years now, and is probably too late.

[@juliagoodwin9510]

And this is why the "thou shall not kill" trope is more trouble than it's worth sonetimes.

[@Cj-xt6tv]

Man I love the low key creepy vibes you have with ur videos, definitely works better with Gotham rogues but i love all ur vids.

[@jackknightstarman9547]

Great video as always man. For your next video you should do a spotlight on the flash villain the Suit. That character is so underrated and yet another display of Grant Morrison’s genius and creativity.

[@mr.rogues4145]

Not next time, but it's very possible I'll do it later down the line.

[@WeasleyDodds]

Such a cool concept for a series of annuals. I love the final stage of life from, very lovecraftian. Keep the great work mr. Rogues

[@scottfree2248]

I love the Silver Surfer but I agree that this is a poor portrait of him. It doesn't even make sense. He enabled Galactus to devour countless worlds to protect his home! I know the writer wanted to show the Surfer holds life Sacred but what of Mercy? He could have dropped Life Form into a star and instantly incinerated it and given it a quick ending! Instead of allowing the Man trapped within it to face an eternity of prolonged suffering!

[@therealsupersam6800]

Scott Free, Silver Surfer there, sucked.

[@scottfree2248]

The Real Super Sam I agree. This portrait of the Silver Surfer doesn't show an individual who is guided by a sense of compassion. The Surfer in this story is more concerned about his own needs!

[@tayojones9460]

Scott Free Later in the annual, surfer is confronted with the billions of lives he sacrificed when he was still the Herald of Galactus and calling him out on his hypocrisy.

[@scottfree2248]

Tao Jones T.jones I am glad you shared this. It makes sense that this self righteous act would not alleviate his guilt.

[@admech590]

Maybe he thought the lifeform itself is a living sentient creature just like proofrock

[@cherrypepsi8651]

Well I’m not going to sleep now

[@therealsupersam6800]

What a crazy story. I never heard of him before. I loved it, his story was so interesting. I hope he returns, and can do more, someday.

[@mr.rogues4145]

We'll see, Sam. Personally though, I doubt he'll ever show up again.

[@hatbros4463]

He reminds me of G aka William Perkins from Resident Evil

[@susanaalmeida593]

Wow yeah, Silver Surfer was an idiot in that story. I think even Batman would've mercy killed poor George. The whole story of the Lifeform is so freaking horrific, it's like The Thing times a thousand!

[@xylopiano3]

This is really sad. They NEED to bring this character back and right all the wrongs that happened in this story.

[@JoeEnglandShow]

And to think... the Surfer might have actually done it if he'd just kept his mouth shut. What I find interesting here is the nature of the crossover. It's an escalating conflict which sort of covers the various "tiers" of superheroes kicking around Marvel. It starts with the Punisher, a ground-level vigilante willing and even eager to kill his enemies, confronting a rogue agent of a criminal organization. Then a more powerful Prufrock meets Daredevil, a more colorful character with actual superpowers. And after that he mutates into a hulking behemoth and battles the Hulk, a similar and arguably inhuman figure more fantastical than either Frank Castle or Matt Murdock. And finally he's confronted by the Silver Surfer, an alien with awesome cosmic powers who refuses to kill him. The progression is intriguing, a grim ascension as George helplessly sinks further and further into his living Hell. I can only hope that Thanos stops by his rock one day and sees a perfect opportunity to demonstrate the virtue of death overcoming life.

[@milesarmstrong2990]

I have only read the Hulk version, and it was a defining moment for the Hulk explaining why Banner never killed himself. it had been explored a bit through the character Savage, but this was much more in your face about suicide and apparently assisted suicide in the surfer comic. Thanks for rounding out this character for me.

[@MobiusMundUr]

You never know, he might make a return in the Immortal Hulk comics due to how it's pretty much an OG Horror comic at this point

[@urutta]

Great video! Lifeform is a villain with great potential.

[@sharkfinbite]

Some say he still lives today in that place they sent him.

[@spencermalley10]

Hooray, another forgotten rogues video on a Marvel villain. I actually did know of this character by name and his really gruesome physical appearance but now that I know his backstory all I can say is Damn. Truly this man got one of the worst hands in all of comicdom dealt to him. Shame on Norrin Radd for condemning this man to a lifetime of pain and suffering. You're probably right about him being too grotesque and depressing for him to ever show up in another Marvel comic but great video nonetheless.

[@Blofeld001]

Great video! I used to have these way back when. Thanks for the memories.

[@LordProteus]

They should either have The Silver Surfer come to terms with his terrible decision and go back to end the Creatures existence(if it's still alive) or have the Life-form and it's host come to some kind of harmony after years of turmoil, finally assuming a consistent form and being able to exist without agony. One thing that could have happened is that the Virus could have convinced its host of the benefits of it's existence, for the price of the virus working with the host to stabilize its form with concentration and co-operation. They could have a Eddie/Symbiote-like dynamic.

[@pqcowboychanel]

Maybe lifeform could comeback as a silver surfer/venom villain. Maybe even nova.

[@dannybuckle3763]

I heard the name, but never read the stories so...yikes, that is indeed horrifying and tragic. I've always advocated for sparing as many lives as possible, but in this case I'm genuinely unsure of what's the right choice; leaving him on the planet and wait for Reed or someone else to find a cure for his condition, which could potentially take years considering Reed's massive schedule, or just end his miserable life and move on, which is what he wants anyway. This is the part where I end up giving some rambly pitch as to how to bring him back (I can't help it - I always think of something whenever I watch these FSVs), but honestly I think there's one really obvious method to bring him back in a big way; He becomes a Herald of Galactus. It's the perfect set-up; Galactus goes to eat the world, finds the Lifeform, sees its usefulness, turns it into his Herald and sicks it on Earth, where Reed could finally use some pseudo-science to either cure or stabilise his condition so that he can control it, and in the end Lifeform and Silver Surfer get Galactus to leave the planet alone once again. After the battle, the Surfer could offer George a chance to explore the universe, and the reformed villain could become a supporting cast member of his. I personally think that's the best way to go with a dangling plot thread like this; his power-set is not designed for a long-term villain, nor would he have any reason to stay as a villain after being cured, even if he was a bit mad with the Surfer for leaving him alive. Give him his big return, cure him and move on. At most you could stretch out his Herald status for a few big cosmic battles battles before curing him, but that's the most I'd recommend doing.

[@mr.rogues4145]

Then there's also the fact that Reed might NEVER find a cure. The story strongly implies that there never will be a cure. Yeah, that could work, although I'm saying that as somebody who knows very little about Galactus. It's interesting actually; did the creators ever intend for Lifeform to return? Or, did they give him this ambiguous ending on purpose? It is a pretty powerful ending after all. Maybe that was their plan all along. I guess we'll never know...

[@dannybuckle3763]

If I had to guess, I'd say that they intended for him to be picked up by a later writer, but never was, so he's now just a weird, obscure clip-note in the Marvel Universe's long, convoluted history.

[@josephinehinderman3749]

I kind of hope and wish they bring this guy back. It would be intriguing to see how modern day comics could reimagine this tragic monstrosity! Or even starting off where this poor creature was abandoned on the dark planet. Like you said, he truly is a forgotten gem.

[@tayojones9460]

What a tragic and terrifying tale. It is a shame it hasn't been collected in a trade, but considering the dark themes of the story, I can see why marvel would be hesitant to collect it. Still, it would be great if they did, as this is a truly fantastic story.

[@mr.rogues4145]

I also think it might be too obscure for them to want to collect.

[@tayojones9460]

Actually, they did collect this story, but in a Daredevil trade. It is titled Daredevil epic collection: hearts of darkness. It was released in 2016, so you should be able to find a copy somewhere.

[@chaseosborn6503]

Lifeform kind of reminds of the ending of the movie Akira.

[@jamesmullins3346]

Here's a idea for a story deadpool visited the planet only to find it completely infected by the lifeforms

[@Josue_Cristobal]

I am happy someone has summarized this story for KZbin. For many years I figured I was the only one who remembered this story. Over the years, I’ve checked to see if George/Lifeform has ever been brought back. And yeah, I agree the Silver Surfer was a fool here. His moral code doesn’t allow for killing but this was a special case where it was cruel to not kill. There was no hope for a cure, George wasn’t suffering from some disability he could learn to live with. His life wasn’t worth saving. Instead of doing the only humane thing, Surfer doomed him to eternal suffering so he could feel good about himself for sticking to his no kill policy.

[@XX-sp3tt]

Silver Surfer served Galactus, a being who killed billions to sat his own endless hunger... That likely left Surfer with a stronger adherence against killing than most heroes, here we see Silver Surfer making the wrong call because he can't bring himself to add more to the tally even in an act of mercy.

[@mr.rogues4145]

Yeah, I suppose that could be it.

[@arcadepunk2628]

So, does this remind anybody else of William Birkin when they see this? Y'know with all the freaky nightmarish mutations while the actual person slowly fades out of control? . . . . .just me?...m'kay.

[@BeefySyndrome]

2:59 reed richards and nick fury look the same haha its like staring into a mirror

[@A_real_Ha_So]

Just subscribed after finding this today and viewing a couple other videos. Look forward to watching your work and hope you don't go the way of others who i admired until they started trying to get themselves over instead of what made them great. Not going to name them to give them word of mouth exposure.

[@mr.rogues4145]

Thanks, Tuco - glad to have you aboard!

[@ishanjaiswal8132]

Lifeform will make a great resident evil villain.

[@comiccastle532]

Poor George

[@wdcain1]

He reminds me of Sludge, created by Howard the Duck's creator Steve Gerber. He was a man-shaped sludge monster who went after the mobsters who made him into a monster but quickly learns how futile vengeance is. Great maxi-series from the sadly now defunct Malibu Comics.

[@mr.rogues4145]

Never heard of it, it sounds awesome!

[@wdcain1]

Malibu Comics was amazing. It was like IMAGE but instead of approaching great artists, they went after great writers and so much of their stuff were really neat takes of the super-hero genre. The company was actually doing really well in the market with Marvel actually talking about a potential merging with them to create their own distribution network to break up the Diamond Monopoly here in the US. Then the speculators' bubble pop and sales plummeted and poor Malibu couldn't stay afloat. Marvel then bought Malibu at a low price and quietly retired all their licenses but they at least got a good sendoff.

[@austinroundsgallery83]

When I was little I remember owning that exact same Silver Surfer issue, but I didn't own the previous ones with the Lifeform, and was probably my earliest exposure to body horror.

[@rorylumley4727]

A forgotten villan i really like is turner d century maybe we could get a viedo on him.

[@MacNava]

Why do I feel like this guy inspired the creation of William Birkin?

[@ignitionfrn2223]

1:00 - Lifeform's stories 4:10 - Rogue's opinion

[@TheSuperQuail]

This has got to be the main inspiration for Alex Mercer.

[@Melvinwacko]

If Lifeform needs to feed on humans to sustain himself, then shouldn't getting exiled on a lifeless planet make him slowly starve to death? If so, he's a dead man in either case and Surfer could've just shot him or whatever instead of condemning him to an even more painful death.

[@mr.rogues4145]

I think that was covered somehow, but can't remember in what way. Or, it's a plothole haha.. I dunno...

[@cjhudson393]

For me I would put him out of his misery if I was the surfer even tho in some cases I don't agree with some superheroes killing (Spiderman Daredevil Batman or Superman for examples) but if it's a mercy killing I'm fine with it (even tho with some heroes I'll let it go like punisher Deadpool or the crow )

[@MoonStar-ux9yx]

Life form needs to comeback in the comics

[@animation1234111]

This does seem a bit out of character for the Silver Surfer. I mean sure, a guy with the deaths of thousands of worlds on his conscious doesn’t want to add one more. However if someone actively wants to die to be freed from torment, Norrin, being the thoughtful type, would likely have obliged (even if that means killing the virus personality, which he was full prepared to do).

[@srstriker6420]

Oh mr rouges can you do some Hulk villains like Half life, madman, ravage, devil Hulk and riot squad

[@mr.rogues4145]

Maybe.

[@srstriker6420]

Mr. Rogues good

[@srstriker6420]

Mr. Rogues you know which madman I'm talking about?

[@XX-sp3tt]

..... Silver Surfer's was supposed to be the RIGHT choice!?

[@stehpenquinn1682]

I like him he's kind off like clay face 3 and he should come back

[@Xehanort10]

The Surfer should have put him out of his misery.

[@TheChuckers123]

I was terrified of lifeform as a kid!! Thanks. I forgot his name. THANKS!

[@duketheLEGEND651]

Super heroes are scared that if they kill someone they will become evil

[@andrewj.browncomics7348]

Holy shit. How have I not heard of this character before?! I want this character to come back, actually I think he could fit in relatively well with the new origin of the Symbiotes

[@briancorvello3620]

Well, before the Surfer became a hero, he was a Herald of Galactus. He realizes that he is, as such, an accomplice to multiple crimes of genocide, as billions died as a result of his actions. While the Surfer eventually turned on his master, his guilt weighs on him, and it is very difficult for him to actually regress to the point where he'd kill another being. To give another example of this, in one Spider-Man story, Carnage was separated from his symbiote, which would, in effect, doom Cletus Cassidy to an agonizing death from stomach cancer, which the symbiote was protecting him from. Spidey's reaction: He's an unrepentant serial killer, and he deserves it. Not gonna lose sleep over it. And most fans would agree here. (This is SPIDER-MAN here, someone who would not execute Carnage even after the mass-murder committed during the Maximum Carnage storyline.) The Surfer, however, was unwilling to pass this judgement, and let the two reunite. Sure, he left Cassidy in a rather... unpleasant state, sealed in an unbreakable shell of "astral energy" which he thought would hold him forever (it did not, of course) but the Surfer was more willing to spare a heartless villain than even Spider-Man was. That says a lot. Was it the right choice? Probably not. But it rarely is.

[@RudyHarlanPhantomBoom]

Hey Mr. Rogues, is this the same villain that came out in the X-Men: Liberators storyline? I remember Wolverine, Colossus & Nightcrawler fighting against a mutant like Lifeform.

[@mr.rogues4145]

I don't think so.

[@TheBlindFighter]

@MrRogues Can You Do A Video On Hulk Villains

[@MsWaltes]

Can you do Prankster from DC?

[@raven3067]

Damn Silver Surfer is cold.

[@slaanavelickovic5787]

Is Underrated rogues ever going to return?

[@mr.rogues4145]

Haven't decided yet.

[@Ali-ii8il]

hey can you talk about another forgotten flash villain clive yorkin a sliver age flash villain who is very forgettable and he also appeared in the season 3 flash TV show episode Untouchable

[@Slayerthecrow]

Considering how Marvel is now, they really need something good to bring back, I'll say that they could use this "villain"

[@treydodson4726]

How do you feel about these last four forgotten villain videos? I hope you have recaptured the spark you were looking for. I cannot figure out a pattern with these forgotten villains outside of Gotham. The only difference is I am fully aware of every single Bat Villain but never heard of these four.

[@mr.rogues4145]

Personally I'm enjoying making videos more than I have for months. I've got several more characters lined up that I'm eager to get to. Haven't really been very EAGER to make videos in a while. I'm kinda worried what my fans think about this change though. I can imagine there are some pissed Batman fans; not that I've stopped making Batman videos though. How do you feel about the change? And I'm glad you didn't know these four villains; that's part of the fun; introducing new characters to people. My mission is to dig up some really obscure, awesome and weird villains for you guys!

[@treydodson4726]

Mr. Rogues The most important thing to me is your enjoyment of the product. I admit I prefer the Gotham focus, but after two years I can understand the shrinking ground to cover. That means you have done well. As for new material outside Gotham it is a mixed bag. Instead of measuring my knowledge vs yours I get completely new information. Of them, I learned my favorite nobody villain with potential, The Spook has a Marvel counterpart. I am also a DC guy( and Spider-Man too) so if its outside of that its "meh", but I learn and who knows another Death-Stalker could be in there. I have to continue checking your channel to see who could be next. With such a wide playing field I dont know where you will go. Thing is its best not to so I keep checking to find out.

[@meltedcopper9247]

I loved this hulk annual

[@yourpybro9336]

Man i kinda feel bad for lifeform

[@hsatin20]

I read a lot of Surfer at the time this story came out. The Silver Surfer was on a journey of self discovery and atonement for his time with Galactus. It's not surprising he made an iffy decision like this. It would be cool to have an ending to this as a stand alone graphic novel or something. Maybe an epic team up between the Silver Surfer and some cosmic heroes (FF/ Adam Warlock/ high evolutionary), with some real resolution and perhaps showing the consequences of the silver Surfer's decision. Like have the Life Form escape the planet and cause a massive catastrophe, forcing the Silver Surfer to re-evaluate his decision, forcing him into a similar ethical dilemma?

[@hsatin20]

@Joe Dirt That could be really interesting. Like, his brain has evolved an intelligence which has helped him survive like that, yet it still has human thought processes in there too. It could turn into a story of self actualization or it could go the other way, where his human resentment starts to take over. He could have some good interaction with heroes like the Surfer who has also struggled with concepts like surviving in the vacume of space.

[@johnathan2684]

Wow! You’re doing Marvel now!? Fantastic!

[@mr.rogues4145]

Absolutely! Did a Daredevil villain too, couple of weeks ago.

[@11epicguy22]

That was haunting. Daang.

[@raiseanothermanskidsforlov4920]

Lol I don't think Disney got the balls to bring this character back

[@reaperproductions7058]

Do Headmaster next. He's a forgotten Martain Manhunter Villain Or what about All-American Boy, a forgotten Superman Villain who is actually pretty tragic.

[@seansadrai9001]

Man that is tragic also weird how this guy was intruced in punisher first since stuff like this is not his thing and even tho i like surfer hey should have either killed him to put him out of his misery or just went to reed richards one the smartest men in marvel to make a cure i mean seriouls when a dog is in pain u put it down to end its pain maybe one day someone will remeber this weird marvel character an try to fix this plot point.

[@TheVetoSkreeemer]

The Surfer killed millions while he served Galactus. He has to deal with the guilt this produces him, so it s not insane that he is reluctant to kill.

[@mr.rogues4145]

Millions, huh? Then one more wont hurt ;)

[@TheVetoSkreeemer]

Mr. Rogues When the Surfer did that, Galactus stripped him of his conscience, which he started to regain when he got to earth ,with the help of Alicia Masters.

[@A1ml33y]

I remember this story i seriously wish this Lovecraftian horror was adapted into the mcu into a episode of What If . I like Marvel's Horror themed characters and monsters .

[@lateefcarrere1649]

The Surfer failed to save George Prufrock....leaving his essence inside of Lifeform is something expected of a villain of Doom's status, the Surfer. Believe it or not, I think Doom would kill Prufrock - one of the few times he's shown anyone mercy. How crazy is that?

[@christophernugent8492]

This would make a great story for a Marvel movie. They could even put it in the MCU as a side story outside of what’s going on with the Avengers.

[@miguelflores9409]

Lifeform is a amazing rogue

[@toonbat]

It looks like George traded being the puppet of his father to being the puppet of a flesh-eating virus. Not much of an improvement. If they ever do bring him back, I hope the focus will be on George finally learning to break free from outside influence and taking control of his actions. Who knows? If he can succeed in this, maybe he can take command of his new body and reshape it back into human form. Or at least be able to destroy himself, rather than put the burden on others.

[@johndavison9569]

your awsome

[@leadingfaction6728]

I'm with you on this, what sense does it make to let a man suffering endless pain just to not break some ethical code? I mean I know that killing, no matter which way you look at it, is wrong. But if the other option means a slower and more agonizing death, then quite frankly, that's not being heroic. Same situation applies with Batman, how is it that he can't live with killing the Joker, who has murdered good knows how many people? Are you telling me that it's more heroic to let an unpredictable genocidal maniac that looks like a clown and is beyond rehabilitation live at the cost of nearly an entire city? I think Batman cares more about his principles than common sense! Anyway, great video.

[@pugglespug5636]

In many ways the joker wants Batman to kill him, which would mean he has won. It would prove to him that they are one in the same, both just lunatics. Batman does not kill because he knows if he does, he will be similar to the villains he fights, which is too much for him, and goes against his promise to his parents. It is much more than just an ethical code, it is also his mental problem. Any normal person would be willing to kill the joker, but Batman is messed up from his parents' death, which causes him to develop a different kind of mental illness. This is my take away from what I have learned from the Batman universe. I do find the joker and Batman's relationship to be the most interesting I have ever seen. Now the first part of your comment I agree with fully. I would be okay with this with other heroes, such as Batman or Spiderman who have had these traumatic events, but Silver Surfer has never struck me as that kind of hero. I feel this was an attempt at making the story even more depressing, but I really feel like the writer messed up, because if Silver Surfer was to kill Lifeform it would cause this happiness and sadness in the reader's mind. They would be happy he is finally free and feel depressed for such a well written character, almost human like, to die in such a way. It really would have made the story that much better.

[@animation1234111]

Leading Faction Leading Faction The same doesn’t apply with Batman. Silver Surfer’s dilemma asks if it’s ever right to kill someone even when they themselves desire it. With Batman, he has no obligation to kill the Joker if he can apprehend him through nonlethal means. Killing him is the people’s decision. Otherwise, batman would undermine the very system he seeks to protect.

[@tayojones9460]

lord freezer I really doubt anyone in gotham (apart from Gordon perhaps) would condemn Bruce's action if he did kill Joker.

[@animation1234111]

Tao Jones T.jones Maybe not. One dangerous costumed madman kills another. Gotham of all places is probably used to that happening.

[@leadingfaction6728]

I know that. I was actually referring to the "no kill" rule most heroes have, and how when you really think about it, this actually leads to repeated pain and devastation. I mean I know Silver Surfer is a pacifist that despises taking lives, but abandoning them to suffer in isolation and misery is way worse. As for Batman, I wouldn't want him to murder all of his enemies, most of them aren't even that violent or deranged, but keeping Joker alive is definitely more amoral than killing him. However I understand your complaint and I probably should have been more clear on what I was saying.

[@johnalbert6900]

While Silver Surfer made the wrong call with Lifeform, at least Box made the right call with Omega. Made SS should talk to Alpha Flight next time…

[@sarafontanini7051]

to be fair, the surfer likely feels great guilt for leading numerous planets and entire civiliations to destuction and extinction at the hands of his former master, the planet eater Glactus, so he liekly can't bring himself to take any life no matter the reason. at the very least even the surfer acknowledges what he did here wasn't the best, form what I can tell at least

[@matthewbennett1972]

Hold on does this predate resident evil

[@landonr5120]

Reminds me of William Burk from resident evil

[@cmcynic_]

Lifeform Ultimate Lifeform Kars was an Ultimate Lifeform Is this a jojo reference?

[@kimberlycollier143]

CMCynic no

[@trash44gzgigasmashkaza50]

Its a shame they dont use him anymore

[@fishmorton4979]

Anyone else got a G-Virus/William Birkin kinda vibe from this

[@duketheLEGEND651]

Sounds like the movie slivever

[@dontemorgan1517]

Life form should have been in the dc universe.

[@danielfontoura3084]

[Insert Shadow The Hedgehog meme here]

[@adamaksoy4169]

Looks like a bloodborne boss

[@Apocalypse_Later]

KANEDAAAAAA, HELP MEEE

[@Spicystachegamer]

Honestly they need to make a darker tv series of marvel or dc and include the lifeform or clayface 3 theey made deadpool so this one should be put away

[@mr.rogues4145]

The Punisher Netflix show is dark enough, but sadly, Lifeform wouldn't fit in - being a sci-fi monster and all... Kinda ironic, since Lifeform first appeared in a Punisher issue, but the show is going for a far more realistic, grounded style.

[@Spicystachegamer]

Mr. Rogues I don't know maybe as atleast a movie villian or secondary antagonist he would be really good for a role I mean they didn't kill him off so my guess is they were probably planning to do something with him at one point

[@awesomeiam5943]

Notification squad

[@jaydendelia9831]

the real villain in here is lifeforms dad. he wanted to impress his dad and became the lifeform and now he's on an unkown planet living like this and dosent evan get to impress his dad so his dad is the real villain like if you agree.

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