Gear-Ratio-Accelerated? Yep, It's a Thing: French MAT 1955 Prototype

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7 ай бұрын

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EDIT: Shoot, I managed to get the gear ratio backwards. Sorry! The recoil action provides the necessary delay, and then the gear ratio provides acceleration to ensure the bolt can open reliably, akin to the accelerator in a Browning M1917 or 1919 machine gun, or a Lahti L35 pistol. Please excuse the error...
In the search for an improvement to the MAS 1949 rifle for the French military, all the French arsenals proposed new designs. MAS supplied an updated version that was ultimately adopted as the MAS 49/56, but the Tulle Arsenal (MAT) had a wacky idea of its own. In 1955, they presented a short-recoil, tilting bolt, gear-ratio-delayed system. It was an open bolt firing rifle chambered for the 7.5x54mm cartridge, using detachable 20-round magazines. Today we have one of the first models to look at, and there was a second iteration in 1956, which lightened the rifle by replacing some steel parts with aluminum. Neither was successful, much the the relief of the French Army...
Many thanks to the IRCGN (Institut de Recherche Criminelle de la Gendarmerie Nationale) for allowing me access to film this unique rifle for you!
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@wh8787
@wh8787 7 ай бұрын
This is the most French case ever of "the French copy nobody, and nobody copies the French".
@rogerjohnson8707
@rogerjohnson8707 7 ай бұрын
Very interesting firearm.
@lairdcummings9092
@lairdcummings9092 7 ай бұрын
When your auto mechanic doubles as your gunsmith...
@JanTuts
@JanTuts 7 ай бұрын
​@@lairdcummings9092 Sounds like they are a _full auto_ mechanic.
@vladcrow4225
@vladcrow4225 7 ай бұрын
"Different" doesnt's mean "useful".
@lairdcummings9092
@lairdcummings9092 7 ай бұрын
@@JanTuts 😁
@mrblack5145
@mrblack5145 7 ай бұрын
The Fallout 4 assault rifle we deserved, but not the one we got.
@marcum209
@marcum209 7 ай бұрын
Facts
@GA-br8wj
@GA-br8wj 7 ай бұрын
Yes and yes this one is also fugly
@ez-bakeoven6797
@ez-bakeoven6797 7 ай бұрын
Nah, this the AK-112 from the Original.
@DustyGamma
@DustyGamma 7 ай бұрын
We need this and a replacer mod!
@wonderflounium
@wonderflounium 7 ай бұрын
​@ez-bakeoven6797 why not both?
@ImperiousBaron
@ImperiousBaron 7 ай бұрын
The fact that Ian keeps finding examples of guns like this to show us after I don't even know how many years he's been doing Forgotten Weapons just show's how insanely deep the weapons design rabbit hole goes. I don't think I'll ever tire of watching him.
@Gameprojordan
@Gameprojordan 7 ай бұрын
He's been doing forgotten weapons for at least a decade now
@philhawley1219
@philhawley1219 7 ай бұрын
I must say that Ian finds some very unusual items for our perusal. Sorry to say that this is a very long winded description of a completely stupid rifle . Yawn.
@Laundry_Hamper
@Laundry_Hamper 7 ай бұрын
@philhawley1219 Are you suggesting it is a forgettable weapon
@SounakDas-zb3xc
@SounakDas-zb3xc 7 ай бұрын
Funky small arms design iceberg when?
@d-rot
@d-rot 7 ай бұрын
@@philhawley1219 lol. Whoosh.
@wowomatic
@wowomatic 7 ай бұрын
This. This is peak Forgotten Weapons. I’m so glad Ian has managed to weasel his way into the good graces of the French Gendarmerie because this is the kind of content I bookmarked the blog for back in like 2010.
@TacgnolSimulacrum
@TacgnolSimulacrum 7 ай бұрын
I remember years and years ago he had made an offhand comment about not being able to get into French records/official armories/etc. Now he's not only getting access, he's getting the level of "What wierd prototype do you want to play with today" access that we all love.
@PokemonHaloFan
@PokemonHaloFan 7 ай бұрын
What surprises me is that the same arsenal that created the simple and effective MAT49 also came up with this overly complex rifle.
@khaelamensha3624
@khaelamensha3624 7 ай бұрын
Being French I must apologize that we made once something that is simple. Our most sincere apologies, we learn from our mistakes, it will not happen again! 😂
7 ай бұрын
Sometimes it is worth exploring some idea only to prove that it was not the best idea :D
@Cyan_Nightingale
@Cyan_Nightingale 7 ай бұрын
Not surprising. Considering the Chauchat, Hotchkiss, etc these Fremch engineering were often unnecessarily overcomplicated
@tombogan03884
@tombogan03884 7 ай бұрын
@@khaelamensha3624 You've been spending too much time with the Swiss. 😁
@me67galaxylife
@me67galaxylife 7 ай бұрын
@khaelamensha3624 Cringe malaise
@lairdcummings9092
@lairdcummings9092 7 ай бұрын
We really owe France a debt of gratitude. They try so many odd "what if" ideas, such that no one else has to bother. Mad respect to their creativity, and their willingness to dive down strange rabbit holes.
@lairdcummings9092
@lairdcummings9092 7 ай бұрын
Also: "When your auto mechanic doubles as a gunsmith."
@Raspredval1337
@Raspredval1337 7 ай бұрын
weren't pretty much all american automobile/tractor companies involved in gun making one way or another during WW2? @@lairdcummings9092
@SolvietSoundtrack115
@SolvietSoundtrack115 7 ай бұрын
Well put.
@toomanyhobbies2011
@toomanyhobbies2011 7 ай бұрын
Absolutely correct! The French were creative and incredibly honest to their culture and the world's benefit.
@patriotenfield3276
@patriotenfield3276 7 ай бұрын
You certainly haven't heard of Soviet prototype monstrosities .
@johnnyappleseed6415
@johnnyappleseed6415 7 ай бұрын
French Ordinance Dept: Develop a functioning rifle. Also French Ordinance Dept: Make it absolutely different from every other successful rifle on the planet. ----------------------- Ian: Guns and gears don't mix well. Lewis Gun: Hold my beer...
@williampratt1066
@williampratt1066 7 ай бұрын
Diana/Original model 66 air rifle hold this stein you ain’t seen nothing yet😮
@chemistryofquestionablequa6252
@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 7 ай бұрын
The G11 operating system is basically all gears and cams, it looks like a clock…
@jalpat2272
@jalpat2272 7 ай бұрын
dont forget most burst fire mechanism involved a "gear"
@somuchnope2
@somuchnope2 7 ай бұрын
Ian is notably not a fan of the G11 or burst mechanisms in general
@TammoKorsai
@TammoKorsai 7 ай бұрын
@@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 I'm amazed it wasn't a Swiss invention... but if it was, there would've been a toggle-lock.
@Immopimmo
@Immopimmo 7 ай бұрын
Looks like someone tried to make a BAR from memory.
@mrblack5145
@mrblack5145 7 ай бұрын
"Mom, can we stop somewhere and get a BAR?" 'No, we have a BAR at home.' *the BAR at home:*
@ethantaillefer-meyn6535
@ethantaillefer-meyn6535 7 ай бұрын
To me it looks like the chatellerault but with the mag on the bottom
@SolvietSoundtrack115
@SolvietSoundtrack115 7 ай бұрын
glad i wasnt the only one who saw the bar design elements
@paleoph6168
@paleoph6168 7 ай бұрын
Ian is gaining more power showing us these unusual French prototypes...his blood is now onion soup.
@lairdcummings9092
@lairdcummings9092 7 ай бұрын
I thought his circulatory system pumps pure Boudreaux wine..?
@mikehipperson
@mikehipperson 7 ай бұрын
What? No croutons?
@AshleyPomeroy
@AshleyPomeroy 7 ай бұрын
One day he will marry a short, dark-haired lady called Yvette, and open a restaurant in Boulogne-sur-Mer called Le Clarion Mechanique. It will only serve soup made with gun oil, and the walls will be covered in surrealistic drawings involving gears and pullies.
@jeanmemmler5865
@jeanmemmler5865 7 ай бұрын
​@@AshleyPomeroyAs a French, if it ever happens, I 100 percent go try that beautiful idea as logical and obvious as our weapon manufacturing
@reeyuh526
@reeyuh526 7 ай бұрын
​@@lairdcummings9092unfortunately that is only true for actual French people. Best he can do is Burgundy
@gilmour6754
@gilmour6754 7 ай бұрын
Extremely strange machinery? Check. French? Check. Looks like it was made by a couple of chain-smokers in someone's basement? Check. Ian was probably so excited to film this rifle. Great video.
@Blu0tuth0ninja
@Blu0tuth0ninja 7 ай бұрын
I'm not sure if anyone has said this, but I think you misunderstood the gearing here. That small gear riding on the pinion is going to rotate X number of times. The larger part of the gear is going to rotate the same number of times, but with a larger circumference. This means the relative speed is going to be faster. This faster speed is going to accelerate the bolt back faster than the barrel moves. This isn't a delayed system. This is a way to achieve a short recoil system without just unlocking the bolt and letting it yeet backwards into the buffer.
@clone4211
@clone4211 7 ай бұрын
Thank you, someone else that didn’t misunderstand its gear-delayed nonsense.
@manasjena949
@manasjena949 7 ай бұрын
Accelerators are generally called some kind of delayed system like lever delayed used in famas or in browning 50 cal. machine gun
@chiriematthieu
@chiriematthieu 7 ай бұрын
This is also why the spring is so strong. Because it s work on a shorter lenght.
@wyattrowe8396
@wyattrowe8396 7 ай бұрын
Exactly. It’s just a gear reduction that makes the bolt fully cycle with a short travel of the barrel.
@lucianene7741
@lucianene7741 7 ай бұрын
Totally right. This isn't a delaying system but a plain and simple bolt accelerator. The mystery is why they chose this fragile geared system when bolt accelerators were widely known and understood at the time, and far simpler and sturdier systems were available, such as the ones in the Browning M1919 or in the M2 heavy machine gun.
@phileas007
@phileas007 7 ай бұрын
I can tell why the bolt is missing: it got shattered during testing, cause that gear ratio slams it with quite some force while the system is closing.
@cyruspalmer98
@cyruspalmer98 7 ай бұрын
Seems legit
@SteamGeezerUK
@SteamGeezerUK 7 ай бұрын
As someone who has carried SLRs and GPMGs, I can assure you that thing is making my back ache just looking at it. That's a chonky boi... Also, as an engineer, I appreciate the design but I also want some of what the designer was smoking that day 😂
@mrmors1344
@mrmors1344 7 ай бұрын
the Keltec R&D dept would also like some of that.
@keithcarpenter5254
@keithcarpenter5254 7 ай бұрын
Puff puff pass! 😮😅😊
@TheOz91
@TheOz91 7 ай бұрын
I'm actually delighted that a gear-delayed system made it as a prototype because I had thought about what if gears are used as a delay mechanism. We may see a gear-delayed blowback yet
@Ren505nm
@Ren505nm 7 ай бұрын
Steam punk rifle.😂
@Raspredval1337
@Raspredval1337 7 ай бұрын
gear-delayed blowback system in a larger caliber sub machine gun, like 10mm would actually make sense somehow 🤔
@lairdcummings9092
@lairdcummings9092 7 ай бұрын
@@Raspredval1337Naaah. Gears increase complexity, and introduce fragility.
@tombogan03884
@tombogan03884 7 ай бұрын
Wouldn't that be the Lewis gun ?
@matrix3509
@matrix3509 7 ай бұрын
Unfortunately I don't think its ever going to be an idea that gets any legs. Gears, by their nature of operation, are a significant wear item. The entire inside of the gun will have to be covered in oil or grease (or whatever) at all times to reduce wear on the gear teeth, so will be a nightmare to maintain, and even then, the gears look to be pressure bearing parts, which will significantly accelerate their wear. Even if you could make the system cheaply, the rate at which you'd have to replace the gears as they wear out makes it not worth it, IMO.
@ml.2770
@ml.2770 7 ай бұрын
These MAT designs always grind my gears.
@adrien5834
@adrien5834 7 ай бұрын
Oh, excellent!
@jazzmaster909
@jazzmaster909 7 ай бұрын
Its French so you know there's gonna be some weird locking mechanism you've never seen before or since.
@smackarel7
@smackarel7 7 ай бұрын
Just trying to imagine a regular soldier try to clean and assemble this thing.
@jameljay2183
@jameljay2183 7 ай бұрын
Well in many aspect , that rifle was a prototype and wasn't adopted . Tje most important is maybe his légacy toward the MAT 49 and previous french machine gun . That machine gun , despite her complexity and cost wasn't that bad , not the way your thinking .
@onkelmicke9670
@onkelmicke9670 7 ай бұрын
Very cool. But it actually looks like the bolt carrier is gear accellerated rather than reduced.
@Crow2a
@Crow2a 7 ай бұрын
True! I have noticed the same. So it is blow back delay system.
@PetrHosek
@PetrHosek 7 ай бұрын
@@Crow2a Well, not really... First, it has a locked breech. And second, for a delayed system, one would anticipate a small movement of the bolt to be translated in a big movement of the rest of the mechanism in order to provide a lot of resistance to opening. Here it's the opposite. Actually, if the breech wasn't locked, it would be difficult to assess whether the pressure in the chamber would drive the recoil (thus providing a delay) or the other way around.
@Crow2a
@Crow2a 7 ай бұрын
@@PetrHosek Let's call it delayed short recoil because a small movement of the barrel assembly is translated in a big movement of the bolt carrier in order to provide an effective increase of inertia to delay breech opening
@PetrHosek
@PetrHosek 7 ай бұрын
@@Crow2a Sorry, but I see no sense in what you're saying.
@Crow2a
@Crow2a 7 ай бұрын
@@PetrHosek when you say "resistance", do you mean friction?
@helldad4689
@helldad4689 7 ай бұрын
This was a DECADE after World War 2. Was there no infantryman they could just... ask... about the concept of... an infantry rifle... with gears in it? I'm honestly speechless that it got off the drawing board lmao. Unrelatedly, your closed captioning is flawless, and I appreciate that very much. Thank you!
@ronaldjohnson1474
@ronaldjohnson1474 7 ай бұрын
In the 1700's, the US adopted the French model for military officers. That system was later perverted to include political appointments.
@nathanstein589
@nathanstein589 7 ай бұрын
Being a car guy first, I’ve always thought about this as a possibility in using very heavy springs for a straight blow back design but utilizing gear ratios to allow for the bolt to be easily operated nonetheless.
@krissteel4074
@krissteel4074 7 ай бұрын
Yeah there's a Peugeot steering column somewhere in the guts of it! Personally, I do find the fact there's gears in there somewhat comforting in the sense that someone with engineering experience had a big think about it. Unlike say, the AN-94 which gives me nightmares
@sir0herrbatka
@sir0herrbatka 7 ай бұрын
Gears are, in the end, a just spining lever.
@romanpetrov6069
@romanpetrov6069 7 ай бұрын
Пистолет макарова aka PM has very strong spring and simple blowback construction
@RyTrapp0
@RyTrapp0 7 ай бұрын
Yup, lifelong gearhead who's been into hot rods & motorsports as much as guns - I've always thought gears were woefully underutilized in the world of firearms(I mean, can we at least get more crackpot eccentrics using them?!). Just think of how they enable you to redirect forces in a very smooth system, you could really change the shape of a reciever and create some uniquely packaged designs. Legitimately useful? Dubious. Cool as hell? Absolutely!
@DMSparky
@DMSparky 7 ай бұрын
@@RyTrapp0the majority of autocannons and all rotary cannons use them in some form.
@TKirbyK
@TKirbyK 7 ай бұрын
Hey Ian small correction; the larger diameter gear is actually the one that turns faster than the smaller diameter gears so the bolt is really being accelerated rearward faster than the upper receiver. If you think about it, it has to work this way or else the receiver would not be able to move rearward without being stopped by the bolt. Love the channel keep up the good work.
@onkelmicke9670
@onkelmicke9670 7 ай бұрын
Just what I was about to say.
@ericmitchell985
@ericmitchell985 7 ай бұрын
My thoughts exactly - it's like a lever delayed system, except it spins.
@lairdcummings9092
@lairdcummings9092 7 ай бұрын
@@ericmitchell985 Well, a gear is a wheel, and a wheel is a rotating lever, so...
@ericmitchell985
@ericmitchell985 7 ай бұрын
@@lairdcummings9092 I mean, a lever can't be a lever without rotating about a fulcrum, so all levers have to 'spin' in that sense. I just meant that it's operating on the same principle of using an accelerator to delay opening, except cooler and unnecessarily more complicated.
@onkelmicke9670
@onkelmicke9670 7 ай бұрын
More like a lever action rifle.
@user-kr7yh8vw9m
@user-kr7yh8vw9m 7 ай бұрын
One of the most complex French firearms i've ever seen in my whole existence and i'm glad to see your love for French guns monsieur Ian. Fun fact: it somewhat resemble the M1918 BAR.
@SonicsniperV7
@SonicsniperV7 7 ай бұрын
The BAR's weird French cousin from a side of the family nobody acknowledges
@geodkyt
@geodkyt 7 ай бұрын
I thought much the same, but with a twist. "You see, young Pierre, when a BAR and a Madsen love each other *very much* ..." 😂
@chemistryofquestionablequa6252
@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 7 ай бұрын
One of the Belgian BARs went on vacation in France and this was the result.
@donwyoming1936
@donwyoming1936 7 ай бұрын
I literally thought it was a French BAR by the thumbnail pic. 🤠
@stevepalpatine2828
@stevepalpatine2828 7 ай бұрын
It looks like a BAR somebody made in their workshop from blueprints that had had coffee spilled on them so he had to fill in the smudged parts.
@rchouser123
@rchouser123 7 ай бұрын
Serbu needs to make a geared gun now, just because he can. Watch it be awesome!
@craww1990
@craww1990 7 ай бұрын
That gun looks fantastic
@napatora
@napatora 7 ай бұрын
"grenade spigot" invokes an image of turning the valve on a hose and a stream of grenades flying out
@mosteutonicus8323
@mosteutonicus8323 7 ай бұрын
I dont think the gear is really for delaying the mechanic. I believe its more for reducing the lenght of the way which the barrel has to move. The function of the gear is to transfer the back movement of the barrel to the bolt carrier, like a lever in many other recoil operated weapon. When the gear ratio is 1 to 1 that means that when the bolt carries has to move 10cm to fully cycle, the barrel has also to move same way. By changing the ratio you can reduce for example the barrel way to 5 cm and the bolt carrier would still move the same 10cm of way. In some way its similar to the madsen lmg, where the barrel moves only few cm but the loading lever moves a long distance to load a round into the chamber.
@mrturtlebobington
@mrturtlebobington 7 ай бұрын
It's a long recoil system that behaves like a short recoil system. It would be a clever way to obtain the benefits of both were it not so complex.
@michaelblacktree
@michaelblacktree 7 ай бұрын
The gear ratio will have a delaying effect, because it reduces the mechanical advantage of the barrel vs the rest of the operating system.
@mosteutonicus8323
@mosteutonicus8323 7 ай бұрын
Nobody claims that this mechanic wouldnt have a influence in delaying the movement of the barrel. I said, that the gear ratio system was not designed to be a delaying mechanism but a mechanism to reduce the required movement of the barrel and with this also the size of the receiver.
@jessebell1930
@jessebell1930 7 ай бұрын
Certainly a very unique weapon. One of many things I love about you mate is you are very quick to admit when having made a mistake. A vital characteristic for a gentleman and good teacher. Merry Christmas mate👌👍👊
@TylerSnyder305
@TylerSnyder305 7 ай бұрын
I never would have guessed that this was supposed to be an infantry rifle. When I saw it my 1st thought was France wanted a BAR.
@Marc_Wolfe
@Marc_Wolfe 7 ай бұрын
It's not gear reduction. Push barrel a little, bolt moves a lot, that's an increase, like a car's overdrive gear. So no, the gear ratio doesn't delay a damn thing. Instead of relying solely on momentum of bolt carrier to keep the bolt going to the rear after unlock, it's mechanically coupled to barrel movement. Effectively long stroke recoil operated. Bet the spring up front is just a return for the charge lever and plays no other significant role.
@eisenkrieg553
@eisenkrieg553 7 ай бұрын
I've been subscribed to Ian since his awkward autistic days back in 2010. I vaguely recall that he actually has like an Associate's or Bachelor's degree in mechanical engineering. Or maybe he was trying to earn one? Anyways the misunderstanding of gearing by him is something to think about.
@isaac6705
@isaac6705 7 ай бұрын
I was going to say, you can even see from the tracks! The track on the lower is much shorter than on the upper, all this is doing is timing.
@Marc_Wolfe
@Marc_Wolfe 7 ай бұрын
He misunderstood the Benelli B76 too. I made a video about that one. That ledge is just a ramp, not a lock. The angles of links cause a speed increase; slight and brief, but it's there and adds resistance to opening.
@danielcurtis8746
@danielcurtis8746 7 ай бұрын
That’s an interesting but incredible rifle
@The_PotionSeller
@The_PotionSeller 7 ай бұрын
I've been following a creator in the 3d printed gun space for awhile, he's been using a similar system of gear delayed blowback to create a semi auto, mag fed 45-70
@rebel6301
@rebel6301 7 ай бұрын
45-70? 3d printed? im not sure if that's a good idea but hey maybe the guy will prove me wrong
@rebel6301
@rebel6301 7 ай бұрын
45-70? 3d printed? im not sure if that's a good idea but hey maybe the guy will prove me wrong
@chemistryofquestionablequa6252
@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 7 ай бұрын
That’s exactly what I was thinking of. Haven’t gotten any notifications from his KZbin channel recently, do you remember the channel name?
@chemistryofquestionablequa6252
@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 7 ай бұрын
@@rebel6301last I saw about two years ago he had it cycling for a few rounds but then parts would start to break.
@georgelstuart
@georgelstuart 7 ай бұрын
I came down here to make the same comment.
@runem5429
@runem5429 7 ай бұрын
I just love the crazy sht that is out there that Ian digs up for us, tnx Ian :)
@QweRty-kd8dd
@QweRty-kd8dd 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for your work ❤
@sealove79able
@sealove79able 7 ай бұрын
a great very cool and interesting video and firearm Mr.GJ.this firearm seems quite hefty.have a good one & Merry Christmas.
@davitdavid7165
@davitdavid7165 7 ай бұрын
Honeatly i want more gears in firearms. This and the lewis are the only 2 so far
@tomaspabon2484
@tomaspabon2484 7 ай бұрын
The rate reducer on the BAR also uses a ratchet and gear system that looks like it was pulled off a pendulum clock
@wingracer1614
@wingracer1614 7 ай бұрын
He did a video on some weird prototype years ago that had a rack and pinion type arrangement in it. It was a real Rube Goldberg contraption.
@Zigfried207
@Zigfried207 6 ай бұрын
Welcome to artillery, we have a lot of gears
@adamcichon6957
@adamcichon6957 7 ай бұрын
Not so long ago, there was a new hunting rifle, where the same exact idea, but exactly the opposite way, was used to reduce charging handle throw of its straight pull action. Instead of delaying, bolt was in fact accelerated. The ideas aren't lost forever.
@TheDarksideFNothing
@TheDarksideFNothing 7 ай бұрын
Do you remember what gun this was?
@adamcichon6957
@adamcichon6957 7 ай бұрын
@@TheDarksideFNothing I didn't remember what was it, i had to find it... Merkel Helix.
@Ethnarches
@Ethnarches 7 ай бұрын
Definitely one of the more fascinating firearms I've ever seen! What a system, sad it didn’t go anywhere even if it's fairly obvious why it didn’t. I would have never seen this if it wasn't for Ian uncovering obscure stuff in a French government collection! Thank you Ian, that's quite a feat to get access and permission to publish these videos.
@Frenchcrop
@Frenchcrop 7 ай бұрын
Ian, I’m super pleased to hear that you have finally nailed the pronunciation of ‘Tulle’!
@alexglanowski695
@alexglanowski695 7 ай бұрын
Germany: We have some of the most complicated weapons designs France: Hold my croissant 😂
@khaelamensha3624
@khaelamensha3624 7 ай бұрын
​@@NCrdwlfThis is the real reason of the French German wars, we compete to be the absolute winner of the most complicated weapons 😂
@ethantaillefer-meyn6535
@ethantaillefer-meyn6535 7 ай бұрын
AN94, the matryoshka gun
@alexglanowski695
@alexglanowski695 7 ай бұрын
@ethantaillefer-meyn6535 That's the one with the double shot, right? (Or 2 round burst?) If so, definitely a contender 🤣
@jameljay2183
@jameljay2183 7 ай бұрын
Project SPEW dart-gun of the US army 🤔
@alexglanowski695
@alexglanowski695 7 ай бұрын
@@jameljay2183 Yeah, that whole program had some really weird stuff
@cytokindness
@cytokindness 7 ай бұрын
Evan Jones over at the Pilotgeek channel has been attempting to develop a gear/flywheel delayed system for a 3D printed rifle! Interesting to see this old metal take on a related concept.
@RodrigoFernandez-td9uk
@RodrigoFernandez-td9uk 7 ай бұрын
I love this channel precisely for this kind of weird stuff.
@brimstonefootsteps4332
@brimstonefootsteps4332 7 ай бұрын
Along with all of his amazing knowledge, I love Ian's honesty. While looking at a collection piece from this armory and seeing the gears he says "What a nightmare"! You know you can trust a man when he speaks the truth regardless of the situation. I love this channel!
@stevefriswell5422
@stevefriswell5422 7 ай бұрын
Great video sir, thanks.
@lorenzorighi99
@lorenzorighi99 7 ай бұрын
I think that this mechanism actually gives the bolt carrier a higher velocity than the barrel assembly, functioning in the same way as a more typical accelerator found in other recoil operated guns. I made a quick velocity analysis so I can be wrong. Some feedback?
@tonedeaftachankagaming457
@tonedeaftachankagaming457 7 ай бұрын
Saw another comment agreeing
@lorenzorighi99
@lorenzorighi99 7 ай бұрын
@@tonedeaftachankagaming457 yeah, he also changed the video title and put a correction in the description
@zmike9831
@zmike9831 7 ай бұрын
absolutely amazing design!
@bluebird0222
@bluebird0222 7 ай бұрын
Beautiful! What a kraftwork. I really like this design.
@mattelder1971
@mattelder1971 7 ай бұрын
I think the coolest thing about this rifle is that it almost seems like it was designed to perfectly balance on an ammo can for display.
@boriskotaras8511
@boriskotaras8511 7 ай бұрын
God, I wish to see that bolt. Ian, thank you so much.
@matthewspencer972
@matthewspencer972 7 ай бұрын
It is customary for Ian's weirder finds to be described in the comments as: firearm Y crossed with firearm X. This would appear to be a BAR crossed with the steam railway which carries tourists up to the summit of Mount Snowdon.
@actionjksn
@actionjksn 7 ай бұрын
I have to say that even though this was a terrible idea, this person had to be pretty brilliant to be able to come with this and make it work at all. There is a lot going on inside that thing, which is probably why they had so much trouble with it. I think it is possible to make something with this design work reliably. It obviously would not be worth it
@propdoctor21564
@propdoctor21564 7 ай бұрын
Another interesting and informative video as always... Such a bizarre design which makes me wonder how someone even dreams up something like this?
@thejayman1886
@thejayman1886 7 ай бұрын
Glad I got up early. Just started taking my first sip of coffee. Oh boy, this should be an interesting video!
@kiltedcossack
@kiltedcossack 7 ай бұрын
I'm too lazy to look up how you say "mad lads" in French. What a fabulous video, and this is one that I know Ian was super enthusiastic about. ("That's his bag, baby!") I have always enjoyed Ian's presentation of French content. Until today, I thought the MGD PM9 clockwork subgun was the Frenchiest of all Frenchy content on this channel. The MGD PM9 is now, I believe, in second place.
@JvS1711
@JvS1711 7 ай бұрын
I'd say "les mecs fous", because the mec bit would work well with mechanical related things, but French is my 4th language and there might be better translations.
@drdoom-skull2244
@drdoom-skull2244 7 ай бұрын
You'd say "les barjos" or les "oufs".
@A_potato9772
@A_potato9772 7 ай бұрын
"now lets get back to this nightmare" This might be my favorite line from a forgotten weapons.
@Logovanni
@Logovanni 7 ай бұрын
So, the bolt carrier actually moves faster than the barrel assembly. The increased length on the lever arm of the center gear moves a lot faster than the smaller gears, causing the bolt carrier to accelerate. You can see this happening early on in the video through the ejection port. I’m guessing it does this to get more length of travel in a shorter package.
@francoisnoufnouf8347
@francoisnoufnouf8347 5 ай бұрын
You are really the best !!
@paulketchupwitheverything767
@paulketchupwitheverything767 7 ай бұрын
This reminds me of the Johnny 7 OMA (One Man Army) plastic, toy gun from the '60s or '70s.
@joet.s.6283
@joet.s.6283 7 ай бұрын
Truly fascinating
@Swindle1984
@Swindle1984 7 ай бұрын
"Gears in guns is a terrible idea." *Kraut Space Magic has entered the chat*
@reginaldjamesmeyer7185
@reginaldjamesmeyer7185 7 ай бұрын
This is really really awesome and I have learned so much since I started watching you're channel ...... As a south african could I request a video on the Armsel Striker 12 gauge shotgun please sir
@callhoonrepublican
@callhoonrepublican 7 ай бұрын
rack and pinion guns are soo cool. this video made me happy.
@andrewallason4530
@andrewallason4530 7 ай бұрын
When I look at designs like this, Compared with a design of the same era (Stoner’s AR-10), and similarly with Browning’s 1911 compared with pistol design of even 50 years later, there are just some geniuses out there, who can totally change and radicalise an industry.
@some_Russian_dude
@some_Russian_dude 7 ай бұрын
This is awesome.
@Narses_the_aremnian
@Narses_the_aremnian 7 ай бұрын
Thats looks unrealible
@nathanswensen1183
@nathanswensen1183 7 ай бұрын
The perfect example of design engineers making hell for production engineers and machinists.
@pixelrat18k95
@pixelrat18k95 7 ай бұрын
You know, this looks suspiciously like the infantry autoguns in Darktide...
@oakmars8062
@oakmars8062 7 ай бұрын
Very cool
@Revener666
@Revener666 7 ай бұрын
Interesting, would be more useful as a base for stationary guns though, too clunky for an infantry rifle
@fenrirlokisson8270
@fenrirlokisson8270 7 ай бұрын
"What really sticks out on this rifle is the charging handle",i lost it there XD
@andersjjensen
@andersjjensen 7 ай бұрын
I think you got the gear ratio "up side down". The smaller diameter moves across the stationary part which makes the larger diameter "have a greater surface speed". Which makes sense, as otherwise the whole assembly would have to move LONGER than the bolt need to travel to extract and reload. And you can verify this simply by counting the teeth on both racks: 32 vs 15. This means the bolt travels twice as fast (and thus twice the distance) as the barrel assembly does against the lower.
@prdubi
@prdubi 7 ай бұрын
I'm still hoping and waiting for the day when Ian will do a complete episode in Français. That would be even more interesting.
@andredulac4456
@andredulac4456 7 ай бұрын
Damn, that rifle looks like an autogun from warhammer 40k Darktide... definitely my new favourite gun 😅
@Azukaae
@Azukaae 7 ай бұрын
Gears are basically continuous lever, so in a way this is a recoil operated lever delayed action
@ericgranata6664
@ericgranata6664 7 ай бұрын
One of the strangest firearms I've seen in a while!
@discerningscoundrel3055
@discerningscoundrel3055 7 ай бұрын
This is the most French rifle I have ever seen
@Jason-fm4my
@Jason-fm4my 7 ай бұрын
This was ahead of it's time.
@aloysiuscleetus5534
@aloysiuscleetus5534 7 ай бұрын
This very much reminds me of something I saw in one of veritasiums videos. Its a system of three gears just like that between two racks just like that and the result is very counterintuitive where if you push one rack foward it actually accelerates the gear foward faster than the rack. I remember thinking when I saw it that it would make a great delaying mechanism
@christhesmith
@christhesmith 7 ай бұрын
Ian: "Gears in guns are a terribly bad idea" H&K G11: "Halte mein stein"
@Frurin
@Frurin 7 ай бұрын
Each time Ian says lever, I mutter to myself "wrong lever!".
@Lankythepyro
@Lankythepyro 7 ай бұрын
On the website you wrote an article about the .280 bullpup FAL made for British and NATO trials. Do you think there are any surviving specimens? The Royal Armouries don't have one, but according to Jonathan Ferguson one of the guns was sent to the US. Love your work, Ian
@Part.No.1xbil.Prod.Tp.MXMVIII
@Part.No.1xbil.Prod.Tp.MXMVIII 7 ай бұрын
Every single inch of this gun behind the grenade projection system on the barrel made me audibly say "what??" the second Ian interfaced with it. Those "pins" made me actually rewind the video just to confirm I wasn't having an acid flashback. I'm convinced this thing was designed by a Bethesda dev.
@garyneilson1833
@garyneilson1833 7 ай бұрын
Just when you thought you'd seen every gun operating mechanism Ian finds another for us
@dieuitspan6632
@dieuitspan6632 7 ай бұрын
The rack and pinion was also trailed on the Barnitzke machine gun in germany. However, the Barnitzke was a flywheel delayed gun. How cool would it be if Ian could lay his hand on one!!
@Willy_Tepes
@Willy_Tepes 7 ай бұрын
LOL, this is actually the exact idea I was toying with when I was 17. Never knew it already existed.
@Del_S
@Del_S 7 ай бұрын
"Mother, can we have overly complicated gun that kind of looks like a BAR?" "I mean that's oddly specific but, oui."
@traktorsajt
@traktorsajt 7 ай бұрын
This gun has meme potential. "Maman, can we get a Colt Moniteur?" "Non mon cheri, we 'ave Colt Moniteur at 'ome!" Colt Monitor at home.
@SayakMajumder
@SayakMajumder 7 ай бұрын
after two glasses of wine .... " lets make a BAR-lookalike but with "GEARS" " " hon hon hon ... oui oui "
@xrysoryba
@xrysoryba 7 ай бұрын
Ian, I know you do mostly military arms, but I would like to see you do the Sako Finnwolf. A mostly forgotten weapon, a lever action that uses a rack and pinion system of operation.
@DETHMOKIL
@DETHMOKIL 7 ай бұрын
I hope ian never runs out of gendarmerie videos.
@1boortzfan
@1boortzfan 7 ай бұрын
Great video Ian. That must have needed a great deal of research. I hope the French didn't get all but hurt at you for making fun of their rifle.
@ayyyyph2797
@ayyyyph2797 7 ай бұрын
5:05 The alt solution to non captive assembly pins: Extremely sized pin handle so it's less harder to lose
@BluntEversmoke
@BluntEversmoke 7 ай бұрын
Just me thought!
@itsconnorstime
@itsconnorstime 7 ай бұрын
I didn’t have my glasses on when I saw the thumbnail and thought it was another BAR video.
@thatevlcanadian
@thatevlcanadian 7 ай бұрын
Odd? Absolutely. Clever? Heck yeah!
@none3763
@none3763 7 ай бұрын
Very interesting to see. I had this idea for a long time. Put this on a standard closed rotating bolt platform to reduce recoil? As the bolt recoils, the lower toothed part is not fixed, instead it's a "counter-bolt" which is driven forward. Wouldn't this reduce recoil?
@davidblair9877
@davidblair9877 7 ай бұрын
Somewhere, somehow, a Swiss engineer is crying because he didn’t think of this.
@Sapoman2211
@Sapoman2211 7 ай бұрын
I think you may have described the gear mechanism working in the wrong direction on accident. As described, the gear reduction is working backwards. You can visibly see it working in the correct manner by looking at the length of the tracks - the track for the large gear is much longer, for the same rotation. The large gear will move it's track faster and further than the small gear.
@Celebmacil
@Celebmacil 7 ай бұрын
It blows my mind that this rifle and the AR-10 came out at the same time.
@Serenity_Dee
@Serenity_Dee 7 ай бұрын
From the country that brought you the Renault Dauphine!
@steveharrison9901
@steveharrison9901 7 ай бұрын
That is wild. I swear that when Ian racked the charging handle it sounded like an old fashioned mechanical adding machine! ETA: or actually, come to think of it, my Mattel greenie cap firing tommy-gun. 😆
@gatisskipars9474
@gatisskipars9474 7 ай бұрын
Love it❤
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