Guns for the Pope's Police: Mazzocchi Pinfire Revolver

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The revolver we are looking at today is a 9mm pinfire revolver adopted for the Papal Gendarmerie in 1868. At that time, the Papal States controlled roughly the same amount of territory as Switzerland today, and had its own armed forced for internal security - the Papal Gendarmerie. The Papal States had previously adopted a 12mm Lefaucheux revolver for its army, but this was deemed too bulky for the Gendarmes. So in 1867, they went looking for a smaller new pistol. The Mazzocchi brothers in Rome had been official armorers to the Vatican for three generations (their shop was actually located in Castel St Angelo until 1850!), and they won the contract for the Gendarmerie with this revolver model. A total of 2500 were made in 1868 and 1869, at 50 Papal Lira each.
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@_Art.Vandelay
@_Art.Vandelay 8 ай бұрын
Bastards got a hold of my technical sketches from when I was 4
@handlethisshitainttwitternigga
@handlethisshitainttwitternigga 8 ай бұрын
​@@UncleSam-7.62other Italians mostly.
@gilmour6754
@gilmour6754 8 ай бұрын
Hah, I was wondering why this looked familiar and yeah, it looks like a revolver a kid would draw.
@sikeresenangolul
@sikeresenangolul 8 ай бұрын
Officially referred to as the Pope's Police, but everybody just calls it the Po-Po
@MrEnollx
@MrEnollx 8 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@greycatturtle7132
@greycatturtle7132 8 ай бұрын
XD
@michaelmoorrees3585
@michaelmoorrees3585 8 ай бұрын
You get the Blue Ribbon ! Never let truth interfere with a good story.
@amendable5401
@amendable5401 8 ай бұрын
Well done. Well done.
@mistergrosbig4085
@mistergrosbig4085 8 ай бұрын
⁠@karldarl4388Hein ? De quoi tu jases ?
@curlyfreis
@curlyfreis 8 ай бұрын
The holy Handgun is clearly a better choice against a Rabbit.
@KoKoS87
@KoKoS87 8 ай бұрын
Or snake iykyk
@Handsy_McGee
@Handsy_McGee 8 ай бұрын
You're free to count all the way to six! Technology is wild
@greycatturtle7132
@greycatturtle7132 8 ай бұрын
XD
@timinwsac
@timinwsac 8 ай бұрын
A better choice would be the holy hand grenade.
@jdee3421
@jdee3421 8 ай бұрын
But could you hit a coconut being carried by an African swallow?
@oddball_the_blue
@oddball_the_blue 8 ай бұрын
Just when you thought Ian had plugged the depths of forgotten weapons... He comes back with this little gem.
@JohnSmith-yv6eq
@JohnSmith-yv6eq 8 ай бұрын
He is a real plunger...to the depths and beyond!
@garrysekelli6776
@garrysekelli6776 8 ай бұрын
Hopefully he doesn't get plugged.
@kenibnanak5554
@kenibnanak5554 8 ай бұрын
And it isn't even French. :)
@concinnus
@concinnus 8 ай бұрын
Plumbed.
@iaial0
@iaial0 8 ай бұрын
Putting once again the Forgotten in Forgotten Weapons
@rain8767
@rain8767 8 ай бұрын
This is exactly what I envision a holy weapon would look like. Upon looking at it you know it's gonna deal some holy damage.
@dwightdhansen
@dwightdhansen 8 ай бұрын
+10 holy damage
@ThomasVvV
@ThomasVvV 8 ай бұрын
Prevents skeletons from gettin revived
@RebinRed21
@RebinRed21 8 ай бұрын
@@dwightdhansenyou beat me to it 😂👍🏼
@garrysekelli6776
@garrysekelli6776 8 ай бұрын
Sends to heaven quickly.
@philhawley1219
@philhawley1219 8 ай бұрын
And next week Ian will be reviewing the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.
@rotwang2000
@rotwang2000 8 ай бұрын
Seeing the hammer I suddenly wondered if there ever was a revolver that had a hammer built into the frame to strike from below.
@TheKickassK
@TheKickassK 8 ай бұрын
There are underhammer guns but I think most of them are single shot
@LevinQGame
@LevinQGame 8 ай бұрын
Not quite the same idea you're contemplating but turret revolvers like the Cochran and Daniel's hammer from the bottom.
@johnsanko4136
@johnsanko4136 8 ай бұрын
It's a weird one, but the Mateba Unica 6 has a hammer like what you're asking. It's also a semi-auto revolver. Ian did a video on it before.
@rotwang2000
@rotwang2000 8 ай бұрын
@@johnsanko4136 Yeah the Mateba came to mind shortly after I posted my comment, but I was considering older revolvers who were often far more diverse than what we may have today.
@HanSolo__
@HanSolo__ 8 ай бұрын
@@LevinQGame Looked at the H&C Daniels breech-loading .40 under hammer gun. What a sleek looking rifle.
@stefanmolnapor910
@stefanmolnapor910 8 ай бұрын
I'm proud to be a Okie from Mazzocchi! A place where even squares can have a ball That is Beautiful!
@phileas007
@phileas007 8 ай бұрын
first choice when fighting the vampires.
@travisreed1730
@travisreed1730 4 күн бұрын
Imagine how BADASS an armory nicknamed "The Tomb" would be. Sounds like something straight outta "John Wick."
@Matt-xc6sp
@Matt-xc6sp 8 ай бұрын
Clearly the ejector rod is threaded to screw into some other parallel bit for a handy crucifix in the field.
@kobewatson8758
@kobewatson8758 8 ай бұрын
I often wonder does Ian ever have any ‘ oh shit I don’t know how to put this back together’ moments
@BiboyHernandez
@BiboyHernandez 8 ай бұрын
Is the pistol still being rendered?
@АняШакал
@АняШакал 8 ай бұрын
Does look like someone’s first time designing a gun in Blender.
@strahinjamilosevic1024
@strahinjamilosevic1024 8 ай бұрын
Ejector rod probably doubles as a cleaning rod, hence the thread on the end, for the cleaning accessories.
@sponklip
@sponklip 8 ай бұрын
I will say I do wish you would have short test fire portions of these videos
@daviddrake2151
@daviddrake2151 8 ай бұрын
The rod is threaded to screw into lead shot/bullet that hasnt been fired. The threads bite into the soft lead shot to remove unspent round from the barrel.
@Stevarooni
@Stevarooni 8 ай бұрын
Pinfire cartridges are so neat-looking and different from our radially-smooth modern ammunition! The evolution makes sense, and you understand why they did what they did...with limited chemical supplies and technology, and different material strengths. It really shows why keeping old relics helps understand technological progression, which keeps us from unnecessarily repeating mistakes from the past.
@estherstreet4582
@estherstreet4582 8 ай бұрын
I often forget that pinfire cartridges come in "normal" calibers, the first thing that comes to mind when I hear pinfire is those teeny tiny replica guns that shoot 2mm ammunition.
@kennethstaszak9990
@kennethstaszak9990 8 ай бұрын
Anyone else notice the broken frame at the bottom right corner of the recoil shield?
@DisstonDave
@DisstonDave 8 ай бұрын
I think the threading on the end of that extraction rod may be for a cleaning head attachment to clean the barrel and cylinders. The extraction rod/lanyard loop can then also function as your cleaning rod.
@SoldierO7
@SoldierO7 8 ай бұрын
My obscure Italian family name has finally achieved significance!
@guillermoalpini2718
@guillermoalpini2718 8 ай бұрын
Mi mamá tenía el mismo apellido🇦🇷
@thecoolestdaniel4554
@thecoolestdaniel4554 8 ай бұрын
Looks like Really smooth clay
@lordMartiya
@lordMartiya 8 ай бұрын
Historical correction on the fall of the Papal States. Their end was slated from the start of the unification process, as only Rome could be accepted as capital of Italy - hence why the patriots first and the Kingdom of Sardinia (the state that was leading the unification effort and would eventually become the Kingdom of Italy) tried multiple times to establish a confederation, with the Pope as president - except the Pope was Pius IX, whose personality was such that Bismarck tried to offer him asylum in Germany with the expectation he'd drive the German Catholics into Protestantism. Thus no dice. Napoleon III, to keep the support of the French Catholics, made a treaty with Italy to keep Rome to the Pope, with Italy accepting to wait Pius' death and negotiate Rome becoming Italian with his successor and the French garrison being there to keep the uncontrollable Garibaldi out. Pius of course took it as license to provoke Italy at any chance... Then the Second French Empire fell, invalidating the treaty just at the same time Pius was trying to have the First Vatican Council proclaim him infallible in both spiritual and temporal matters, and Italy finally invaded. Thus on September 20 1870 Rome was taken... And just to be extra petty, almost all cities and towns in Italy have a street dedicated to that day leading to the local main church (the only exception is Rome, where the street starts at the breach in the walls the Italian troops entered the city).
@brittakriep2938
@brittakriep2938 8 ай бұрын
The italian troops had been commanded by a General Cardona, the father of italian Main commander from wwl. Vatican troops had been commanded by a german man ,von Kanzler '.
@wraithcadmus
@wraithcadmus 8 ай бұрын
It's said that the Pope threatened to excommunicate whoever gave the order to attack, so they temporarily promoted a Jewish officer, I can only imagine that conversation "You're Jewish, we need you for a special task" "No way, I don't like where this is going" "We need you to exploit a religious loophole" "You son of a bitch, I'm in"
@RedXlV
@RedXlV 8 ай бұрын
That's pretty hilarious that Bismarck figured exposure to the Pope would drive German Catholics to Protestantism.
@michaelman957
@michaelman957 8 ай бұрын
Ian is very relaxing to listen to.
@tadeuszdolkowski
@tadeuszdolkowski 8 ай бұрын
Finally a worthy material for gunJesus.
@jameswoodard4304
@jameswoodard4304 8 ай бұрын
"Just the facts, ma'am... We're on a mission from God."
@MrDeathassassin
@MrDeathassassin 8 ай бұрын
I'm surprised nothing was mentioned about the two cracks in the frame showing weakness to the design.
@johngaltman
@johngaltman 8 ай бұрын
Your video has dots appearing to the left and right of your shoulder. They flash and then go away. What are those? Almost like Morris code.
@burlatsdemontaigne6147
@burlatsdemontaigne6147 8 ай бұрын
Chamelot Delvigne sounds like a character from Blazing Saddles. A femme fatale of ill repute, probably.
@RussellBond-dk6dj
@RussellBond-dk6dj 8 ай бұрын
Just a thought Ian but maybe the ejector rod was one part of a bore cleaning rod and you just don't have the other piece and the brush or swab eye ?
@Dominic1962
@Dominic1962 8 ай бұрын
Maybe this was the gun that St. Gabriel Possenti (the unofficial patron Saint of hand gunners) used to blast that lizard and ward off the bandits. Fascinating little piece. Odd, certainly, but still looks like it would be more user friendly than a Reichsrevolver.
@simone.Lmo.639-2
@simone.Lmo.639-2 7 ай бұрын
Maybe the extra thread on the rod could be to join it with another rod for cleaning?
@darkling54
@darkling54 8 ай бұрын
Pinfire weapons are so neat
@kriseckhardt5148
@kriseckhardt5148 8 ай бұрын
Excellent job Ian!
@Dani-pe2lt
@Dani-pe2lt 8 ай бұрын
Grazie Ian, è un piacere conoscere una parte della storia del regno di Italia e dello stato pontificio non molto nota!
@jehoiakimelidoronila5450
@jehoiakimelidoronila5450 8 ай бұрын
I'm a sucker for revolvers, and that's gotta be the cutest revolver I've ever seen
@capt.bart.roberts4975
@capt.bart.roberts4975 8 ай бұрын
Ooo! A weird European pinfire revolver! I'm a happy bunny!
@kiplingslastcat
@kiplingslastcat 8 ай бұрын
Strange... for all of the design features this pistol has that I kinda "disagree" with... it's strikingly beautiful!
@chrisgleason1196
@chrisgleason1196 8 ай бұрын
The ATF's position is jumping to a conclusion. They're arguing interference with collection of a tax when the issue is whether the firearms in question are subject to said tax. Their attorneys should give back their paychecks.
@klavdy
@klavdy 8 ай бұрын
Gun Jesus delivers a sermon!
@JaredBallou
@JaredBallou 8 ай бұрын
looking forward to seeing this in the next BUG match.
@MM-zg4wu
@MM-zg4wu 8 ай бұрын
Number 666 should be personal Pope sidearm:)
@BinJar
@BinJar 8 ай бұрын
Holy gat
@BinJar
@BinJar 8 ай бұрын
@@UncleSam-7.62 holy Moses holy ghost who ever eats the fastest eats the most amen
@gavinkempsell5211
@gavinkempsell5211 8 ай бұрын
Could the extra threaded end be used as a cleaning rod, maybe there is a brush that screws onto the end to clean the barrel?
@Mr.Z1989
@Mr.Z1989 8 ай бұрын
Looks like my neighbor designed and crafted it on a weekend in the 70s.
@Forrestminds
@Forrestminds 8 ай бұрын
Does he have a video about the Swiss Guard or any of their other weapons of choice?
@joshuac2991
@joshuac2991 8 ай бұрын
damn.. add some greebles and goof on the barrel and you could have a really sweet looking Star Wars blaster.
@robertpeeler8151
@robertpeeler8151 8 ай бұрын
anyone notice the crack in the frame on the right side by the bottom of the cylinder???? It is right across from what might be sear for the trigger
@EarthenDam
@EarthenDam 8 ай бұрын
What craftsmanship 😮
@KriegZombie
@KriegZombie 8 ай бұрын
This reminds me of the Lego pistol for some reason.
@joeljoseph4150
@joeljoseph4150 8 ай бұрын
This is the patron saint of handguns😅
@jeromethiel4323
@jeromethiel4323 8 ай бұрын
I so want a pinfire pistol to actually fire pins. ^-^
@bagelman10
@bagelman10 8 ай бұрын
God I love this channel
@TheOzarkWizard
@TheOzarkWizard 8 ай бұрын
Is this why luigi is an Italian that always gives finger guns?
@johnmeyer4789
@johnmeyer4789 8 ай бұрын
Pope This gun was quite unexpected, it's Chief benefits are fear, ruthless efficiency, and fanatical devotion to the
@johnmeyer4789
@johnmeyer4789 8 ай бұрын
Botched it
@beaker126
@beaker126 8 ай бұрын
As for the threaded end of the clearing rod, I wonder if you had the complete box as it came from the factory if there wasn't another section of rod that was meant to thread onto that with a jag on the end.
@Bismuth83X
@Bismuth83X 8 ай бұрын
I just saw this on Twitter.
@Bismuth83X
@Bismuth83X 8 ай бұрын
I said "this is a pinfire, right?" And it was.
@KevinBYee
@KevinBYee 7 ай бұрын
Sorry if I am missing some comment, but I'm surprised somebody on here hasn't confirmed what the thing at 6:10 or so screws into. Although I guess if anybody would know what that is for, it would be Ian.
@leohale3464
@leohale3464 8 ай бұрын
Just a shot in the dark here, could the threading be for attaching a worm? Being black powder and pinfire I would imagine that squibs weren't exactly unheard of.
@carlosmartinez-gd5nt
@carlosmartinez-gd5nt 8 ай бұрын
Seems to me the thread on the ejector rod is to attach a brush to clean the barrel.
@andersmaidment
@andersmaidment 8 ай бұрын
As to cost, The Papal States were part of the Latin Monetary Union, so 1 Lira was the same as 1 Franc. In equivalent gold, 1 Franc is the same as $10.88 today. In equivalent silver, 1 Franc is the same as $2.29 today. So pick your metal and do your math. The Franc and Lira were silver based currencies, however. Actually, the calculator I found only goes to 2015, so it's probably a good 20% more.
@mushroomcannibal3683
@mushroomcannibal3683 7 ай бұрын
"Get ready to receive some holy spirit"
@jasonz7788
@jasonz7788 8 ай бұрын
Awesome thanks
@ReptonBoxing09
@ReptonBoxing09 8 ай бұрын
A a Swiss, it feels strange to hear an American compare the size of a state to Switzerland, in order to emphasize its „not insignificant“ size. 😅
@Mute_Nostril_Agony
@Mute_Nostril_Agony 8 ай бұрын
Pope Francis looks more of a Glock 19 guy. I’m sure Pope Benedict XVI still had his Walther PPK from his time in the SS as his personal carry
@bruhbruh-us6gl
@bruhbruh-us6gl 8 ай бұрын
He was never in the SS. He was inducted into the Hitler Youth once it became mandatory to join
@CAP198462
@CAP198462 8 ай бұрын
It looks like a low resolution model of a revolver from a 1990’s video game. 🤔
8 ай бұрын
Mazzocchi - the cch isn't a hard "k" in Italian but rather like the ch in "chi" (as the Chinese "life force" thingy). And then the emphasis on the "o" and a short "i",
@XDieKillDieX
@XDieKillDieX 8 ай бұрын
Pairs well with holy hand grenades.
@goncalo33
@goncalo33 8 ай бұрын
Are they good against rabbits, though? Asking for a friend.
@gasmaskwilliam3352
@gasmaskwilliam3352 8 ай бұрын
​@@goncalo33 yes, just pull the pin, and count to 5, no it was 3.
@goncalo33
@goncalo33 8 ай бұрын
@@gasmaskwilliam3352 I mean the revolver. :)
@gasmaskwilliam3352
@gasmaskwilliam3352 8 ай бұрын
@@goncalo33 oh 😂 my bad
@carlosmartinez-gd5nt
@carlosmartinez-gd5nt 8 ай бұрын
I guess this is as close to the Vatican armory as we gonna get.
@laurievanhoorn1914
@laurievanhoorn1914 8 ай бұрын
Anyone else notice the crack in the frame?
@tdab3883
@tdab3883 7 ай бұрын
Disco Elysium ahhh pistol
@blackstone777
@blackstone777 8 ай бұрын
Papal police taking down perps: "i kick ass for the Lord!" If you know the reference...😂
@Mike-sh3yt
@Mike-sh3yt 8 ай бұрын
Imagine the invoices for these things back in the 1860's lol
@ryanpenrod1859
@ryanpenrod1859 8 ай бұрын
Pietro, Giuseppe and Luigi has to be the most Italian trio of names possible.
@danielbehrendt9683
@danielbehrendt9683 8 ай бұрын
pete, joe, and lou
@TheCatBilbo
@TheCatBilbo 8 ай бұрын
​@@danielbehrendt9683Hey! You disrespecting us by not capitalising our names?! Why, I oughta'...
@QuellicheilMarza
@QuellicheilMarza 8 ай бұрын
It's Piero
@SteamCrane
@SteamCrane 8 ай бұрын
Ninja turtlesish.
@timorueegg9746
@timorueegg9746 8 ай бұрын
Looks like a lego revolver
@cooperharrell6984
@cooperharrell6984 8 ай бұрын
Ngl that’s a pretty accurate sum of it
@mcperson8455
@mcperson8455 8 ай бұрын
dude thats fucking hilarious. Like the Indiana Jones ones? I see it!
@ethanspaziani1070
@ethanspaziani1070 8 ай бұрын
Dam you are right
@TheKastus17
@TheKastus17 8 ай бұрын
Lego revolver piece confirmed catholic
@PewKittens
@PewKittens 8 ай бұрын
Does the Lego Pope have inflexible elbows?
@Swindle1984
@Swindle1984 8 ай бұрын
The cylinder rotating counter-clockwise makes sense. Most loading gate revolvers open on the right, to be loaded with the dominant hand while held in the off hand; this one opens on the left, to be loaded with the off hand like modern swing cylinder revolvers. Rotating counter-clockwise means you won't have a live round under the hammer until you load your sixth shot, and in a pinfire gun that's extremely important because the firing pin on each cartridge is exposed and prone to going off when struck. It's an incredibly simple, but effective, safety mechanism to prevent some dork from accidentally firing his gun while reloading.
@Swindle1984
@Swindle1984 8 ай бұрын
This is also an extremely smooth, almost melted/rounded off, revolver. Combine that with the small sights, spur trigger instead of a trigger guard, and unfluted cylinder, and it makes me think it was designed to get in and out of a holster smoothly without snagging, both useful for a Gendarmerie who needs to draw his gun quickly and a useful safety feature to prevent some idiot from accidentally firing his gun while holstering it, which continues to be a concern for police officers to this day. Honestly, with the little quality of life features like the V-spring having a notch to hold it in place, the lanyard ring doubling as an ejector rod and cleaning rod, the ease of disassembly, etc. this is a very well thought out little revolver and probably an excellent choice for an 1800's police force.
@-Master_Of_Disaster
@-Master_Of_Disaster 8 ай бұрын
I'm amazed after all these years of Ian showing and explaining guns I've never seen before, that he still finds more forgotten guns. How many are remaining Ian? Thanks for everything so far. You truly are a blessing for the gun world.
@mattmorrisson9607
@mattmorrisson9607 8 ай бұрын
I'm convinced that Ian has one of those memory erasing flashing things from Men In Black hidden in each video so we always think there's new guns, but in actuality, there's only like 10
@edwalmsley1401
@edwalmsley1401 8 ай бұрын
He's never going to run out of oddities,Pakistan is still making new wierd one offs everyday
@cherrygirlw
@cherrygirlw 8 ай бұрын
I think he forgot
@williestyle35
@williestyle35 8 ай бұрын
How many remaining? Goodness, there has to be at least a few hundred weapons left that would fit "Forgotten Weapons" . It all depends what Ian can ; actually find, get access to, research, and film, that determines how long he can keep going.
@edwalmsley1401
@edwalmsley1401 8 ай бұрын
@@mattmorrisson9607 he doest because bergman month is permanently etched in my memory 🤣😂🤣
@ZGryphon
@ZGryphon 8 ай бұрын
"The Pope? Bah. How many divisions has he got?" "Less than one, Comrade Stalin, but they do all have these sweet pinfire revolvers."
@PurdueFansAnon
@PurdueFansAnon 8 ай бұрын
Not gonna lie, I always love when Ian breaks out something from the Papal States or Swiss Guard.
@MrPanzerDragoon
@MrPanzerDragoon 8 ай бұрын
Mario is going to be pissed when he finds out his brother Luigi is running a side hustle business in the arms industry. lol
@TemperedMedia
@TemperedMedia 8 ай бұрын
Nah, Mazzochi Bros is their codename. Mario was footing the coin for seed money. Perks of being in with the royal family.
@MrPanzerDragoon
@MrPanzerDragoon 8 ай бұрын
@@TemperedMedia HAHAHA!
@jimschofield8734
@jimschofield8734 8 ай бұрын
Imagine how pimped out they would be if the Pope was armed and always carried personal, Pope-ified pair of revolvers.
@zc8211
@zc8211 8 ай бұрын
I feel like Ivory gripped, nickel plated SAA's with gold engravings featuring bible verses like "Blessed are the peacemakers" would be suitably popeified and be absolutely baller.
@brittakriep2938
@brittakriep2938 8 ай бұрын
Arround 1500, pope Julius ll went into Battle in full plate Armour, armed with a short mace as sidesrm and a twohanded mace as main weapon. No sword, because in bible is written: Those one, who draws a sword, will die from a sword.
@wraithcadmus
@wraithcadmus 8 ай бұрын
All I can think of is having Latin put on with damascene, but I play too much 40K. Hey 40K's aesthetic owes a lot to High Anglican which is Catholicism with the serials filed off.
@michaeltempsch5282
@michaeltempsch5282 8 ай бұрын
​@@brittakriep2938So just like it doesnt say anything about knee caps (according to Shepherd Book), it also fails to mention maces... 🤔
@cloudkitt
@cloudkitt 8 ай бұрын
@@brittakriep2938 lol, there's some rules lawyering for you
@shibasaurus322
@shibasaurus322 8 ай бұрын
Catholic fact: If a saint has owned a firearm, that gun is considered a class 2 relic. Class 1 relics are actual body parts of the saints so class 2 is as high as a gun can go.
@TiocfaidhArLa34
@TiocfaidhArLa34 8 ай бұрын
so if a saint shoots you, it makes you holier?
@bruhbruh-us6gl
@bruhbruh-us6gl 8 ай бұрын
@@TiocfaidhArLa34 No, but it does make you hole-ier
@markhensel1843
@markhensel1843 8 ай бұрын
@@TiocfaidhArLa34 'holier' is he hits your more than once.
@treywright1238
@treywright1238 8 ай бұрын
For when the exorcism needs a lil bit more oomf than holy water
@Ravishrex1
@Ravishrex1 8 ай бұрын
I could see John Constantine using this. +6 holy damage .
@markasimmons
@markasimmons 8 ай бұрын
11:20 Between 1866 and 1870 the Papal Lira, the Italian Lira, and the French Franc were all fixed at the same value. Exchange rate in 1868 was 2 Francs to the Dollar: so each gun cost $28.
@dfpguitar
@dfpguitar 8 ай бұрын
If that is adjusted for inflation already it's a bargain. Even at wholesale cost. $28 would about pay for one hour of skilled labour today.
@markasimmons
@markasimmons 8 ай бұрын
@@dfpguitar That's the cost in 1868, which makes it comparable then with the prices of higher end Colts and various rifles. Not cheap at the time. (Equivalent value of $28 today would be $595 adjusted for inflation. But this doesn't always reflect affordability for someone living then on a average wage. Labour value in 1868 nearer to $5k. Not a cheap option, but I suppose Pope's not short of cash).
@Swindle1984
@Swindle1984 8 ай бұрын
@@markasimmons Correct. At the time, a good saddle horse cost between $75 and $100, and was the equivalent of a car today. Colt got in trouble for price gouging during the Civil War when they were charging $60 per revolver for the Union army; after the war, the revolvers were roughly half as expensive, and their cheaper models like the 1849 Pocket were less expensive than that.
@thelaughinghyenas8465
@thelaughinghyenas8465 8 ай бұрын
Per the official definition, there were 4.65 grams of silver per 1868 Papal lira (post-devaluation). Therefore, 56 papal lire came to 260.4 grams of pure silver. For a value, a US silver dollar produced at the time weighed 26.73 grams and was 90% pure silver so it had about 24 grams of pure silver. The bullion value was more like $10.50 to $11 in silver, nowhere close to $28. You can cross check that with Wikipedia's explanation of the Papal lira, complete with devalued bullion amount. At today's spot value (2024-01-22) a gram of silver is worth about $0.71. That puts the value of the whole gun at roughly $186. I guess that roughly translates the Papal state police issuing their officers Hi-point .380s or Ruger LCP's.
@Dominic1962
@Dominic1962 8 ай бұрын
@@thelaughinghyenas8465 But silver bullion valuation doesn’t tell the whole story either. There are tons of things to factor in. Basically, they weren’t cheap but they also weren’t high end, which isn’t really saying much either.
@johnsanko4136
@johnsanko4136 8 ай бұрын
I always enjoy seeing the late 1800s designs, as so much needed to be done without small, fine springs. This revolver has a delightfully elegant design.
@The_Kentuckian
@The_Kentuckian 7 ай бұрын
"Papacy went looking for a Pistol" is definitely the title of a underground rock song.
@davidbrennan660
@davidbrennan660 8 ай бұрын
Next video.... The Holy Hand grenade of Antioch .... . Ian must be visiting family.
@scottmccrea1873
@scottmccrea1873 8 ай бұрын
Castel Sant'Angelo was originally Hadrian's tomb.
@armorer94
@armorer94 8 ай бұрын
After the fall of Rome, ol' Hadrian didn't need it no more, so....
@scottmccrea1873
@scottmccrea1873 8 ай бұрын
@@armorer94 true!
@TigrisAmora
@TigrisAmora 8 ай бұрын
After furious internet searching, I have an answer. At the time, the USD was worth 5.18 Lira. An 1868 USD is worth approximately 21.60 2024 USD. So the Pope's Gendarmerie Gat cost a current day $233.51. With the total contract being worth $583,775 in 2024 dollars or $27,026.62 in 1868 dollars.
@zacharyrollick6169
@zacharyrollick6169 8 ай бұрын
If you calculated that correctly, that was a steal. Maybe they cut the Vatican a deal.
@AaBb-jt1fg
@AaBb-jt1fg 8 ай бұрын
I love when forgotten weapons makes videos about these smaller german and italian pre unification states. Tnks for the simple yet awesome presentation.
@lorenzmaut3708
@lorenzmaut3708 8 ай бұрын
Interesting to know that the papal states had a long history of existing and controlling a territory on their own, even if that territory was usually divided in vassals or subjects. The Catholic church was an administrative organization, and they had a lot more power that people imagine, much more than the religious aspect.
@causewaykayak
@causewaykayak 8 ай бұрын
The papacy launched the Crusades. Scarcely peacemakers when it didn't suit them. Wasn't it the Fascist dictator Mussolini that gave the Vatican City nation state status which they use today to qualify for a seat at the International table. ?
@IamOutOfNames
@IamOutOfNames 8 ай бұрын
And also adds important context to the near constant opposition to the power catholic clergy had in other countries, historically catholic church was major land holder all over europe.
@causewaykayak
@causewaykayak 8 ай бұрын
@@IamOutOfNames Ian stated that the Priests running it all had need for armed police for internal security. That sounds about right. Disarm the people and arm the security detachments. They are still very much into guns ... Swiss Guard para militaries. Not just ornaments.
@Dominic1962
@Dominic1962 8 ай бұрын
@@causewaykayak Back then the people could own arms in the Papal States and all of Europe. Many didn’t because guns were expensive but it was way easier for them then than now.
@Theduckwebcomics
@Theduckwebcomics 8 ай бұрын
​@@causewaykayaknothing to do with disarming people, it's just that their police force needed weapons.
@vertigo4236
@vertigo4236 8 ай бұрын
+5 against the undead Double damage against demons and devils
@thefattertheratter45
@thefattertheratter45 8 ай бұрын
An actual literal holy weapon
@myfaceismyshield5963
@myfaceismyshield5963 8 ай бұрын
Well, literally not... you use the word literal too liberally xD
@CharlesYuditsky
@CharlesYuditsky 8 ай бұрын
Next up, the Holy hand grenade of Antioch
@nobodynoone2500
@nobodynoone2500 8 ай бұрын
Nothing holy about the vatician or pope.
@Dominic1962
@Dominic1962 8 ай бұрын
@@nobodynoone2500 Lol, found the Babylon Mystery Religion believer…
@TheCatBilbo
@TheCatBilbo 8 ай бұрын
"Our Father, BLAM! BLAM! Who art in Heaven, RELOADING!"...
@yksisolttu
@yksisolttu 8 ай бұрын
"And He shall smite those f*****s!"
@weswolever7477
@weswolever7477 8 ай бұрын
Hollow be thy points
@TheCatBilbo
@TheCatBilbo 8 ай бұрын
​@@weswolever7477Brilliant! 😊
@akinma
@akinma 8 ай бұрын
That is very intriguing little gun. I wish someone made a replica of it so we could see it fired. I doubt any few owner's of such guns were willing to lend an original for firing...
@philhawley1219
@philhawley1219 8 ай бұрын
Where can you find pin fire cartridges these days?
@akinma
@akinma 8 ай бұрын
@@philhawley1219 I dunno, but I'm sure someone makes them. Not necessarily for sale though. They are not rocket science after all and even rockets are made...
@jailbird1133
@jailbird1133 8 ай бұрын
​@@philhawley1219there are a few individuals in the US that make them to order, but they are extremely expensive.
@greendoodily
@greendoodily 8 ай бұрын
This one has a wicked crack in the frame, so I wouldn't recommend it!
@chrigikok1268
@chrigikok1268 8 ай бұрын
Fun fact from a Swiss. The serial number 1291 is also the founding year of the earliest Swiss confederation/ state. Coincidence?
@ragingjaguarknight86
@ragingjaguarknight86 4 ай бұрын
It's a conspiracy!!! 😳😱🤪
@carlosvillarroel4168
@carlosvillarroel4168 8 ай бұрын
The value of 50 Papal Lira: One dollar was approximately five liras, in silver value, so 50 were about 10 dollars. A Colt navy cost 13 dollars in 1872.
@JayAnon-wf8vb
@JayAnon-wf8vb 8 ай бұрын
The Papal State of Gun Jesus is issuing a RFP in support of adoption of a new sidearm.
@Mrgunsngear
@Mrgunsngear 8 ай бұрын
🇺🇸
@Anonymous-ks8el
@Anonymous-ks8el 8 ай бұрын
You'd think they'd get water pistols that squirt holy water
@cedhome7945
@cedhome7945 8 ай бұрын
Only for vampires 😜
@Hwje1111
@Hwje1111 8 ай бұрын
@@cedhome7945i bet that they fire silver bullets
@AndrewAMartin
@AndrewAMartin 8 ай бұрын
@@Hwje1111 Silver bullets are for werewolves...
@benetton3283
@benetton3283 8 ай бұрын
Hi Ian, more than Napoleon taking the garrison out of the Vatican, it was after sedan that that Italy took the chance of taking Rome. If France didn’t lost the war, there would still be Napoleon to protect the Pope, and Italy wouldn’t take the risk. Nice video as always.
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