Poland's Problematic First SMG: The wz.39 Mors

[@crawdadandtheboilers]

"It automatically releases the magazine when empty..." "We don't have any surviving magazines..." These two statements are probably linked in some way.

[@JACKSONLEWISOFCANADA]

Well the mag does not fall all the way out, probably has more to do with numbers and how wartime worked….. 38 guns issued or manufactured with say even 4 mags each. Thats 152 mags in a war with millions of guns and men…… chances are most of these guns and any hardware for them were captured by the soviets and germans…… by the end of the war with no continuity of production they become pointless unless being held simply for reference and even for that the magazine is not that important tons of magazines can be used as reference points, and the steel they are made from is better used as scrap for the war effort. As were many of the guns in most likelihood…. That or found and destroyed i. The hands or resistance groups or thrown in backlines somewhere eventually captured

[@Vekhh]

No they're not. Its about history.

[@daltongarrett7117]

​@@JACKSONLEWISOFCANADAhere's hoping some farmer somewhere has one with a mag stashed in his walls or yard somewhere I guess.

[@flashlightbeam3487]

All of them being stolen by russian soldiers. There is still many Polish belongings in russian hands. From art to weapon (like Polish tanks in Kubinka Museum for example).

[@CurtHowland]

The various arms museums are doing themselves and the world a great service by allowing Ian access to their collections, to document the niche and unique arms that otherwise would be lost to obscurity.

[@nathanboerner2256]

Aye

[@vooyas.mp4]

He truly is Gun Jesus

[@maxkronader5225]

Hear, hear!

[@femstora]

Pretty sure Ian Just India Joneses himself in there and films these in secret.

[@GreatPolishWingedHussars]

Yes wonderful but the topic is actually the Polish submachine gun! Although there is this strange statement "problematic" Polish SMG! But the only problem with the Polish wz. 39 Mors submachine gun was that the Polish army did not have these good guns available during the German raid on Poland in 1939, because it was a newly developed weapon that was not yet in mass production. That there were problems at the beginning is not uncommon with new weapons, the first prototype versions of which usually have to be improved. Incidentally, this gun is definitely not a copy of the German Erma EMP submachine gun. This is always wrongly claimed, even on Wikipedia. But the guns are very different. The Polish wz. 39 Mors has a different length than the German EMP, the magazine is mounted in a different direction and has a different cartridge count. The weight is also different. The barrel length is also different. The effective firing range of the Polish wz. 39 is three times as far the German EMP. The maximum firing range of the Polish submachine gun is also nearly three times as far the German gun. Just because both guns have a wooden butt and a forward pistol grip, as Wikipedia claims, certainly doesn't mean the wz. 39 Mors is a copy of the EMP. Because the EMP is definitely not the only gun with a wooden butt and a forward pistol grip and that's definitely not an unusual one characteristic. Unfortunately, this submachine gun is not the only by Polish engineers developed Polish weapon that was very good but was not available to the Polish army during the German raid on Poland in 1939. Another example is the rifle wz. 38M. This superb Polish 7.92mm semi-automatic rifle wz. 38M with a modern 10-round internal box magazine was one of the best rifles in World War 2. The design of this pioneering self-loading rifle is strikingly advanced in its simplicity and functionality. For example, it's composed of several sub-sections interlocked by a single removable steel pin, and thus can be disassembled in moments. The Polish Army Command planned to equip the Polish army with this wz. 38M rifles, but the mass production was prevented by the German raid. Therefore, the Polish army had very few of these rifles at its disposal. By the way, the German rifle 43 is believed to be based on the Polish wz. 38M, because the functionally, the weapon is very similar to the rifle 43 with identical rate of fire, bullet velocity, magazine capacity and reserve ammunition capacity. The only major differences between the two is recoil, reload speed and the wz. 38M offers a sizeable reduction in vertical recoil over the rifle 43. As for the Polish tankettes mentioned in the video, the lack of a submachine gun did not apply to most Polish tankettes, because the most Polish tankettes were equipped with machine guns to fight infantry, so submachine guns were not necessary for this kinde of tankettes. Submachine guns for combating infantry were only necessary for the TKS tankettes, which had 20 mm anti-tank guns in place of the machine guns. By the way, ridicule at these Polish tankettes is actually nonsensical, because both the machine gun tankettes and the 20 mm anti-tank gun tankettes were very useful for the Polish army. The machine gun tankettes were very effective in supporting infantry in combat against enemy infantry. This Polish 2 men machine gun tankettes were just as useful for infantry support against infantry as were the German Panzer I and II. The disadvantages compared to the Panzer I and II were outweighed by the advantages compared to the Panzer I and II. But the machine gun tankette served also as a sort of bodyguard for the 20 mm anti-tank gun tankettes against infantry attacks. So this tankettes were also good with their machine guns for the backing of the 20mm anti-tank gun tankettes. In combat against tanks they served as a decoy and also and also drew fire upon themselves, giving the 20mm anti-tank gun tankettes an opportunity to shoo enemy tanks. The TKS tankettes were converted to anti-tank units with Polish wz.38 high velocity 20 mm antitank guns. . The tankettes with 20 mm guns were useful against all German tanks in 1939. . Like the Panzer II, these Polish tankettes were equipped with a 20 mm gun, but the Polish Nkm wz.38 FK 20 mm autocannon was much more powerful than the German 20 mm KwK 30 autocannon of the Panzer II. Therefore, the tankettes with the Polish 20 mm autocannon could destroy all German tanks and this Polish gun has proven to be very effective against the German tanks during the 1939 German raid on Poland. So this kind of polish tankettes were able to shoot all German tanks in 1939 also Panzer III und Panzer IV. This tankettes were only armored against machine gun fire and shrapnel but compared to the big tanks they were much more manoeuvrable and had a small silhouette thereby they were they were quick and small so hard to hit. So the Polish tankettes were not only difficult to hit by the enemy tanks but also by the German anti-tank defense and Air Force. The tankettes also had the advantage that the Polish Commander in contrast to the German tank Commander had a much better view outside the vehicle. Because he had the revolutionary G wz. 34 periscope to disposal. The Periscope was a revolutionary because it was the first device to allow the tank commander to have a 360-degree view from his turret. This was a decisive advantage due to a much better overview of the battlefield. Because if I see the enemy tank before the enemy sees me, I can destroy the enemy tank first. The German soldiers in the German tanks, on the other hand, mainly used five viewing slits to observe the battlefield. Americans and British have taken over the Polish tank Periscope then for their own tanks too! Unfortunately, the Germans also took over the Periscope from the captured Polish tanks after 1939. The Sowejtes did the same! By the way, the commanders of the Polish 7TPjw tanks also had this G wz. 34 periscope at their disposal. How dangerous these special Polish tankettes were one can see by the example of tankette's commander Roman Orlik and his "wingman". During the raid on Poland by Germany in September 1939 Roman Orlik and his "wingman"destroyed in one day 10 German tanks, including Panzers IV with TKS tankette armed with a 20mm autocannon. This KZbin video describes the action of these Polish tank commander Edmund Roman Orlik and his "wingman": THE VERY 1ST TANK ACE OF WW2 - NOT A GERMAN OR RUSSIAN -SURPRISE Edmund Roman, Orlik World War II tank commander. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qau2mpSgn75lZrM Unfortunately, it was like with the 92mm semi-automatic rifle wz. 38M and the wz. 39 Mors submachine gun that these tankettes were just being developed and the Polish army had only 24 available during the German raid in 1939. Poland just has not rearmed as extremely as the Germans, because Poland trusted in the French and British allies. Unfortunately, that was a big mistake, because these "allies" cowardly betrayed Poland in 1939. By the way, while we're already talking about amazing Polish submachine guns! The Polish Błyskawica submachine gun produced by the Polish Resistance Army "Armia Krajowa" in occupied Poland was a very amazing Polish submachine gun. Błyskawica means lightning in Polish, which is also an appropriate name for a submachine gun. Its main feature was its simplicity, so that the weapon could be made even in small workshops with the simplest means. To allow for easier production, all parts of the weapon were joined together with screws and threads rather than bolts and welding, which were commonly used in firearm production ever. Blowback, with an open bolt, it offered good performance and high reliability. The inner structure of the mechanics was based on the British Sten Gun. Unlike the Sten it employed a free-floating firing pin and two springs behind the bolt - one served as the return spring and the other as the buffer spring (similar to the later Sterling submachine gun). The weapon was designed in this way so that resistance army members could use any captured stocks of German MP40 ammunition cartridges. In contrast to the Sten Gun the Polish weapon showed good performance and high reliability. It is claimed that it was in all the only weapon developed and mass-produced in occupied Europe. But that's not true, because the Polish resistance also developed and produced other weapons.

[@evh1734]

A gun with an automatic mechanism to release the magazine so it falls out and an automatic mechanism to catch the same magazine so it doesn't fall out is the most polish thing I've ever heard of.

[@JohnSmith-yv6eq]

This feature waa also requested by the Elbonians.....

[@zbigniewgurak8261]

Did you think about interesting features of such design?

[@sir0herrbatka]

My guess that the army considered automatic mag-drop feature stupid the very second it was demonstrated. Imagine automatically dropping mag inside a tank! Deleting the feature was difficult in the existing guns, so they modified them for trials. Production models would be more conventional.

[@zbigniewgurak8261]

@@sir0herrbatka Twoja dumać, że to gupie... A moja dumać, że ciekawa koncepcja...

[@sir0herrbatka]

@@zbigniewgurak8261 Ktoś decyzyjny pewnie lubił ten pomysł, dostarczył broń w takiej formie do testów, i pewnie z marszu dostał info, że w takie formie to nie przejdzie. A przynajmniej taka jest moja teoria.

[@MKultra81]

Kudos to Ian for using a WWII era microphone when talking about WWII era guns. Really sets the mood.

[@boromirhimself7528]

Yes

[@EnOrangeSoffa]

the sennheiser mark III reich sound good wdym bro

[@parkyt13]

Yeah I noticed that the audio was a little rough in this video lol.

[@elite9553]

@@parkyt13 he’s in Poland so he’s just giving us the full Eastern European experience

[@dipacalypsee]

@@elite9553 fun fact: Poland is NOT eastern Europe, its CENTRAL! CENTRAL! CENTRAL!

[@matthaft2048]

Polish Army: We want SMG! Matka: We have SMG at home…

[@daggh1]

SMG at home…

[@mareksicinski3726]

Mama more so

[@taboret3280]

Mama

[@szymonnowak4628]

Finally, a most heartfelt welcome to you Ian, hope you have (had) a most enjoyable stay! Time permitting, pop in at the Warsaw Uprising Museum to see what an assortment of weapons they managed to scrounge to supply the insurgents (for curious are the paths of weapons).

[@GreatPolishWingedHussars]

The Polish resistance not only captured weapons from the Germans, but also produced weapons themselves. For example the Błyskawica submachine gun produced by the Polish Resistance Army "Armia Krajowa" in occupied Poland. Błyskawica means lightning in Polish, which is also an appropriate name for a submachine gun. Its main feature was its simplicity, so that the weapon could be made even in small workshops with the simplest means. To allow for easier production, all parts of the weapon were joined together with screws and threads rather than bolts and welding, which were commonly used in firearm production ever. Blowback, with an open bolt, it offered good performance and high reliability. The inner structure of the mechanics was based on the British Sten Gun. Unlike the Sten it employed a free-floating firing pin and two springs behind the bolt - one served as the return spring and the other as the buffer spring (similar to the later Sterling submachine gun). The weapon was designed in this way so that resistance army members could use any captured stocks of German MP40 ammunition cartridges. In contrast to the Sten Gun the Polish weapon showed good performance and high reliability. It is claimed that it was in all the only weapon developed and mass-produced in occupied Europe. But that's not true, because the Polish resistance also developed and produced other weapons. By the way, the claim about the "problematic" Polish SMG is strange. So the only problem with the Polish wz. 39 Mors submachine gun was that the Polish army did not have these good guns available during the German raid on Poland in 1939, because it was a newly developed weapon that was not yet in mass production. That there were problems at the beginning is not uncommon with new weapons, the first prototype versions of which usually have to be improved. Incidentally, this gun is definitely not a copy of the German Erma EMP submachine gun.This is always wrongly claimed, even on Wikipedia. But the guns are very different. The Polish wz. 39 Mors has a different length than the German EMP, the magazine is mounted in a different direction and has a different cartridge count. The weight is also different. The barrel length is also different. The effective firing range of the Polish wz. 39 is three times as far the German EMP. The maximum firing range of the Polish submachine gun is also nearly three times as far the German gun. Just because both guns have a wooden butt and a forward pistol grip, as Wikipedia claims, certainly doesn't mean the wz. 39 Mors is a copy of the EMP. Because the EMP is definitely not the only gun with a wooden butt and a forward pistol grip and that's definitely not an unusual one characteristic. Unfortunately, this submachine gun is not the only by Polish engineers developed Polish weapon that was very good but was not available to the Polish army during the German raid on Poland in 1939. Another example is the rifle wz. 38M. This superb Polish 7.92mm semi-automatic rifle wz. 38M with a modern 10-round internal box magazine was one of the best rifles in World War 2. The design of this pioneering self-loading rifle is strikingly advanced in its simplicity and functionality. For example, it's composed of several sub-sections interlocked by a single removable steel pin, and thus can be disassembled in moments. The Polish Army Command planned to equip the Polish army with this wz. 38M rifles, but the mass production was prevented by the German raid. Therefore, the Polish army had very few of these rifles at its disposal. By the way, the German rifle 43 is believed to be based on the Polish wz. 38M, because the functionally, the weapon is very similar to the rifle 43 with identical rate of fire, bullet velocity, magazine capacity and reserve ammunition capacity. The only major differences between the two is recoil, reload speed and the wz. 38M offers a sizeable reduction in vertical recoil over the rifle 43. As for the Polish tankettes mentioned in the video, the lack of a submachine gun did not apply to most Polish tankettes, because the most Polish tankettes were equipped with machine guns to fight infantry, so submachine guns were not necessary for this kinde of tankettes. Submachine guns for combating infantry were only necessary for the TKS tankettes, which had 20 mm anti-tank guns in place of the machine guns. By the way, ridicule at these Polish tankettes is actually nonsensical, because both the machine gun tankettes and the 20 mm anti-tank gun tankettes were very useful for the Polish army. The machine gun tankettes were very effective in supporting infantry in combat against enemy infantry. This Polish 2 men machine gun tankettes were just as useful for infantry support against infantry as were the German Panzer I and II. The disadvantages compared to the Panzer I and II were outweighed by the advantages compared to the Panzer I and II. But the machine gun tankette served also as a sort of bodyguard for the 20 mm anti-tank gun tankettes against infantry attacks. So this tankettes were also good with their machine guns for the backing of the 20mm anti-tank gun tankettes. In combat against tanks they served as a decoy and also and also drew fire upon themselves, giving the 20mm anti-tank gun tankettes an opportunity to shoo enemy tanks. The TKS tankettes were converted to anti-tank units with Polish wz.38 high velocity 20 mm antitank guns. . The tankettes with 20 mm guns were useful against all German tanks in 1939. . Like the Panzer II, these Polish tankettes were equipped with a 20 mm gun, but the Polish Nkm wz.38 FK 20 mm autocannon was much more powerful than the German 20 mm KwK 30 autocannon of the Panzer II. Therefore, the tankettes with the Polish 20 mm autocannon could destroy all German tanks and this Polish gun has proven to be very effective against the German tanks during the 1939 German raid on Poland. So this kind of polish tankettes were able to shoot all German tanks in 1939 also Panzer III und Panzer IV. This tankettes were only armored against machine gun fire and shrapnel but compared to the big tanks they were much more manoeuvrable and had a small silhouette thereby they were they were quick and small so hard to hit. So the Polish tankettes were not only difficult to hit by the enemy tanks but also by the German anti-tank defense and Air Force. The tankettes also had the advantage that the Polish Commander in contrast to the German tank Commander had a much better view outside the vehicle. Because he had the revolutionary G wz. 34 periscope to disposal. The Periscope was a revolutionary because it was the first device to allow the tank commander to have a 360-degree view from his turret. This was a decisive advantage due to a much better overview of the battlefield. Because if I see the enemy tank before the enemy sees me, I can destroy the enemy tank first. The German soldiers in the German tanks, on the other hand, mainly used five viewing slits to observe the battlefield. Americans and British have taken over the Polish tank Periscope then for their own tanks too! Unfortunately, the Germans also took over the Periscope from the captured Polish tanks after 1939. The Sowejtes did the same! By the way, the commanders of the Polish 7TPjw tanks also had this G wz. 34 periscope at their disposal. How dangerous these special Polish tankettes were one can see by the example of tankette's commander Roman Orlik and his "wingman". During the raid on Poland by Germany in September 1939 Roman Orlik and his "wingman"destroyed in one day 10 German tanks, including Panzers IV with TKS tankette armed with a 20mm autocannon. This KZbin video describes the action of these Polish tank commander Edmund Roman Orlik and his "wingman": THE VERY 1ST TANK ACE OF WW2 - NOT A GERMAN OR RUSSIAN -SURPRISE Edmund Roman, Orlik World War II tank commander. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qau2mpSgn75lZrM Unfortunately, it was like with the 92mm semi-automatic rifle wz. 38M and the wz. 39 Mors submachine gun that these tankettes were just being developed and the Polish army had only 24 available during the German raid in 1939. Poland just has not rearmed as extremely as the Germans, because Poland trusted in the French and British allies. Unfortunately, that was a big mistake, because these "allies" cowardly betrayed Poland in 1939.

[@PURPLECATDUDE7734]

Oh man, if he gets his hands on a Blyscawika that would be fantastic

[@jamesgrabowski7822]

It's a fantastic museum, I've been there twice. It's a very emotional experience.

[@GreatPolishWingedHussars]

@@jamesgrabowski7822 Yes, that's right! It's a fantastic museum!

[@GreatPolishWingedHussars]

@@PURPLECATDUDE7734 Yes, the Polish Błyskawica submachine gun would be a great subject for a video!

[@MrKronikDeception]

Another great example of good ideas not panning out the way you'd think. The automatic mag release is super convenient... until you need to keep the mags. The quick swap barrel are great, unless you somehow manage to get it hot enough to need to be swapped out and now you're fumbling with a nub of a hot barrel and trying to line up tiny cuts to get back into the fight.

[@MrKronikDeception]

It would have been interesting to see what changes the trials force onto the design.

[@k3D4rsi554maq]

Also, you have to carry a spare barrel around.

[@TheArchaos]

Changing the mag might have been a tiny-tiny bit quicker by pulling the mag out (its hanging free under tension) and then replacing it without having to fumble with the mag release button.

[@lieutenantcoloneltanyavond8273]

You are not getting SMG barrel anywhere near hot enough to have to swap it. Those easily removable barrels in SMGs (Zastava M49 is another example, one i own might i add) are great for maintenance, you can take barrel out and clean nicely from all the corrosive shit WW2 ammo you bought for cheap generates. Cleaning the receiver when barrel is out is also tad easier. Dunno what was the logic designers had for that feature, but maintenance is pretty much the only way it's actually useful.

[@crazysilly2914]

There is an automatic mag release and automatic bolt-go-home-when-new-mag-inserted modification for AR-15’s that I saw and it was intended to get around California’s ‘assault weapon features’ ban, but the ironic thing was that inventing a way to get around the law, they actually created something that is even MORE efficient than a regular AR-15, and is still LEGAL in California!! Shows you the stupidity of politicians keep trying to ban new features, and creative people finding ways around those features… Anyway I thought of that modification when I saw that this smg did the same thing, and 90 years ago at that… And I thought it was a new thing that was just invented a few years ago...

[@marcinswiderski8960]

I lived to see the times when the American correctly explained to native Poles the nomenclature according to which they used to call their weapons. The name refers to the pre-war tradition in which Polish firearms were called in Latin (for example, Vis-strength)

[@miloszruczynski1230]

but there is also a more modern Rak (crayfish ) SMG :)

[@marcinswiderski8960]

@@miloszruczynski1230 In fact, after the war, we had another tradition of naming firearms after minerals / elements. After developing weapons named Glauberyt, Beryl, Wanad , Tantal, Onyks etc, finally we named our newest carbine Grot (Arrowhead).

[@larrythorn4715]

@@marcinswiderski8960 Hope to see the Beryl on the US market some day. I'm not an AK fan but I like how countries like Poland, Finland, etc, frequently take the AK and make it better.

[@marcinswiderski8960]

@@larrythorn4715 I have good memories with Beryl, I used it when I was serving in the Polish army. I'm pretty sure that Beryl is available on the US market under the name "Polish Archer". It is true that in the older version, not the newer wz 96C (telescopic stock, Picatinny rails) but always something.

[@larrythorn4715]

@@marcinswiderski8960 honestly I would be VERY happy to have a Beryl with a regular wooden stock.

[@lordDenis16]

I've waited years for Ian to be in Poland and finally record them Polish guns! Great stuff

[@codymusial1706]

Same polish military history is my favorite

[@numbsliwa]

Me too :)

[@AshleyPomeroy]

The Polish army has five different main battle tanks and a peculiar hodge-podge of NATO, former Warsaw Pact, and Korean firearms, so I wonder if he's secretly advising the Polish armed forces how to streamline their logistics by auctioning off surplus equipment.

[@komiks42]

@@AshleyPomeroy Yea, thats shit isn't happening anytime soon Our military is so poorly founded thats its a miracle that we have amo

[@horatio8213]

@@AshleyPomeroy Is a transitional period. Ex-Soviet models basicly will go as help to Ukraine, Leopards also have no real future, looks like they probably will land in 2nd line units or reserve. Also Poland do not have any Korean firearms, most firearms are produced in Poland, like Grot or Beryl.

[@tomaszdzieciatowski2572]

I had the opportunity to hold this particular MORS in my hands. I haven't seen a similar uncomfortable SMG ever 😕

[@GazalAlShaqab]

Evidently the design is not very…how to put it: not very accomplished :) But the machining inside looks really NICE, it 'shines' the pre-war Polish quality.

[@jalpat2272]

Then people would abandon those fancy wooden stock to more even unergonomic design like sten, cut myself holding unactivated example can't imagine to hold it when it shoot.

[@mr.ballstone1914]

@@jalpat2272 well the sten was a bit different because it was purpose built to be as cheap and as simple as possible. It also needed to be rugged because the simple metal stocks will hold up much better than unstained wood. It also cut weight down because they had to airdrop tens of thousands of them behind enemy lines.

[@jalpat2272]

@@mr.ballstone1914 at least they should made it with pistol grip the MK 2 sten "stock " Was that awkward, I thought it was thumb hole stock but you need to held it like rifle stock.

[@Stevarooni]

Engineering leads, ergonomics follows.

[@magoid]

That auto magazine release would either be adopted by everybody in the competition world, or be immediately banned as unfair.

[@anzaca1]

Competitions generally limit total capacity anyway. For example, automatic pistols are limited to 5-rounds per mag.

[@billm2078]

@@anzaca1 ?

[@Joe69766]

I'm pretty sure I have seen vids of auto mag ejecting competition ar 15s before

[@docthorr]

@@anzaca1 depends a lot on the country law, match rules...

[@SlavicUnionGaming]

most of the weapons banned by geneva convention were never enforced people who made that convention after ww1 ended up breaking there own rules in future. Mussolini used gas bombs on invasion of ethiopia.

[@LazykidsWorld]

I moved to the US a year ago and never went to see these cool firearms darn. Glad you brought this up Ian thanks!

[@M8Military]

Why would you abandon the country your family has lived in for centuries? No pride?

[@bartdebski5767]

@@M8Military maybe he didn't like the country

[@franciszeklatinik889]

Thank you making this, I was looking to videos like this on Polish Arms from you Ian. As a Polish-American, I have an interest in Polish Small Arms.

[@GreatPolishWingedHussars]

Since you are interested in Polish Small Arms here is some additional information. So the only problem with the Polish wz. 39 Mors submachine gun was that the Polish army did not have these good guns available during the German raid on Poland in 1939, because it was a newly developed weapon that was not yet in mass production. That there were problems at the beginning is not uncommon with new weapons, the first prototype versions of which usually have to be improved. Incidentally, this gun is definitely not a copy of the German Erma EMP submachine gun what is incorrectly indicated in the video. This is always wrongly claimed, even on Wikipedia. But the guns are very different. The Polish wz. 39 Mors has a different length than the German EMP, the magazine is mounted in a different direction and has a different cartridge count. The weight is also different. The barrel length is also different. The effective firing range of the Polish wz. 39 is three times as far the German EMP. The maximum firing range of the Polish submachine gun is also nearly three times as far the German gun. Just because both guns have a wooden butt and a forward pistol grip, as Wikipedia claims, certainly doesn't mean the wz. 39 Mors is a copy of the EMP. Because the EMP is definitely not the only gun with a wooden butt and a forward pistol grip and that's definitely not an unusual one characteristic. Unfortunately, this submachine gun is not the only by Polish engineers developed Polish weapon that was very good but was not available to the Polish army during the German raid on Poland in 1939. Another example is the rifle wz. 38M. This superb Polish 7.92mm semi-automatic rifle wz. 38M with a modern 10-round internal box magazine was one of the best rifles in World War 2. The design of this pioneering self-loading rifle is strikingly advanced in its simplicity and functionality. For example, it's composed of several sub-sections interlocked by a single removable steel pin, and thus can be disassembled in moments. The Polish Army Command planned to equip the Polish army with this wz. 38M rifles, but the mass production was prevented by the German raid. Therefore, the Polish army had very few of these rifles at its disposal. By the way, the German rifle 43 is believed to be based on the Polish wz. 38M, because the functionally, the weapon is very similar to the rifle 43 with identical rate of fire, bullet velocity, magazine capacity and reserve ammunition capacity. The only major differences between the two is recoil, reload speed and the wz. 38M offers a sizeable reduction in vertical recoil over the rifle 43. As for the Polish tankettes ridiculed in the video, the lack of a submachine gun did not apply to most Polish tankettes, because the most Polish tankettes were equipped with machine guns to fight infantry, so submachine guns were not necessary for this kinde of tankettes. Submachine guns for combating infantry were only necessary for the TKS tankettes, which had 20 mm anti-tank guns in place of the machine guns. By the way, ridicule at these Polish tankettes is actually nonsensical, because both the machine gun tankettes and the 20 mm anti-tank gun tankettes were very useful for the Polish army. The machine gun tankettes were very effective in supporting infantry in combat against enemy infantry. This Polish 2 men machine gun tankettes were just as useful for infantry support against infantry as were the German Panzer I and II. The disadvantages compared to the Panzer I and II were outweighed by the advantages compared to the Panzer I and II. But the machine gun tankette served also as a sort of bodyguard for the 20 mm anti-tank gun tankettes against infantry attacks. So this tankettes were also good with their machine guns for the backing of the 20mm anti-tank gun tankettes. In combat against tanks they served as a decoy and also and also drew fire upon themselves, giving the 20mm anti-tank gun tankettes an opportunity to shoo enemy tanks. The TKS tankettes were converted to anti-tank units with Polish wz.38 high velocity 20 mm antitank guns. . The tankettes with 20 mm guns were useful against all German tanks in 1939. . Like the Panzer II, these Polish tankettes were equipped with a 20 mm gun, but the Polish Nkm wz.38 FK 20 mm autocannon was much more powerful than the German 20 mm KwK 30 autocannon of the Panzer II. Therefore, the tankettes with the Polish 20 mm autocannon could destroy all German tanks and this Polish gun has proven to be very effective against the German tanks during the 1939 German raid on Poland. So this kind of polish tankettes were able to shoot all German tanks in 1939 also Panzer III und Panzer IV. This tankettes were only armored against machine gun fire and shrapnel but compared to the big tanks they were much more manoeuvrable and had a small silhouette thereby they were they were quick and small so hard to hit. So the Polish tankettes were not only difficult to hit by the enemy tanks but also by the German anti-tank defense and Air Force. The tankettes also had the advantage that the Polish Commander in contrast to the German tank Commander had a much better view outside the vehicle. Because he had the revolutionary G wz. 34 periscope to disposal. The Periscope was a revolutionary because it was the first device to allow the tank commander to have a 360-degree view from his turret. This was a decisive advantage due to a much better overview of the battlefield. Because if I see the enemy tank before the enemy sees me, I can destroy the enemy tank first. The German soldiers in the German tanks, on the other hand, mainly used five viewing slits to observe the battlefield. Americans and British have taken over the Polish tank Periscope then for their own tanks too! Unfortunately, the Germans also took over the Periscope from the captured Polish tanks after 1939. The Sowejtes did the same! By the way, the commanders of the Polish 7TPjw tanks also had this G wz. 34 periscope at their disposal. How dangerous these special Polish tankettes were one can see by the example of tankette's commander Roman Orlik and his "wingman". During the raid on Poland by Germany in September 1939 Roman Orlik and his "wingman"destroyed in one day 10 German tanks, including Panzers IV with TKS tankette armed with a 20mm autocannon. This KZbin video describes the action of these Polish tank commander Edmund Roman Orlik and his "wingman": THE VERY 1ST TANK ACE OF WW2 - NOT A GERMAN OR RUSSIAN -SURPRISE Edmund Roman, Orlik World War II tank commander. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qau2mpSgn75lZrM Unfortunately, it was like with the 92mm semi-automatic rifle wz. 38M and the wz. 39 Mors submachine gun that these tankettes were just being developed and the Polish army had only 24 available during the German raid in 1939. Poland just has not rearmed as extremely as the Germans, because Poland trusted in the French and British allies. Unfortunately, that was a big mistake, because these "allies" cowardly betrayed Poland in 1939. By the way, while we're already talking about amazing Polish submachine guns! The Polish Błyskawica submachine gun produced by the Polish Resistance Army "Armia Krajowa" in occupied Poland was a very amazing Polish submachine gun. Błyskawica means lightning in Polish, which is also an appropriate name for a submachine gun. Its main feature was its simplicity, so that the weapon could be made even in small workshops with the simplest means. To allow for easier production, all parts of the weapon were joined together with screws and threads rather than bolts and welding, which were commonly used in firearm production ever. Blowback, with an open bolt, it offered good performance and high reliability. The inner structure of the mechanics was based on the British Sten Gun. Unlike the Sten it employed a free-floating firing pin and two springs behind the bolt - one served as the return spring and the other as the buffer spring (similar to the later Sterling submachine gun). The weapon was designed in this way so that resistance army members could use any captured stocks of German MP40 ammunition cartridges. In contrast to the Sten Gun the Polish weapon showed good performance and high reliability. It is claimed that it was in all the only weapon developed and mass-produced in occupied Europe. But that's not true, because the Polish resistance also developed and produced other weapons.

[@GreatPolishWingedHussars]

By the way, did you know that the Polish Semi-automatic pistol wz. 35 Vis 9×19mm caliber was one of the best pistols of WW2! Its characteristic feature was a triangular grip shape, wider at the bottom, offering good ergonomics and firm grip. The tests proved that the Polish handgun was very accurate and stable. Due to its size and mass, most stresses are absorbed and not passed on the shooter, while at the same time remaining reliable after firing more than 6,000 rounds. The Vis was generally regarded as one of the best military pistols of that period. The Germans used the armaments factories in the occupied countries to produce weapons and also produced the wz. 35 Vis. The Germans had the lists of workers. Those who refused to work were killed. So for the German army, the wz. 35 Vis was produced in Poland under the new name of 9 mm pistol 645(p). Fearing that Polish technicians working in the armory might supply the Home Army with the weapons, the Germans moved production of barrels and final assembly to Steyr-Daimler-Puch Austria. However, underground production of Vis barrels was started in Warsaw and Kielce-based Huta Ludwików, and several hundred Vis pistols were assembled of parts smuggled from the factory, delivered to the Home Army and used extensively during the Warsaw Uprising, among others. In late 1944, all production was moved to the Steyr works in Austria, where the last simplified model of the fourth series was produced. However, the pistol 645(p) produced for the German army never had the quality of the wz. 35 Vis produced for the Polish army before the war. Because obviously the Polish workers were not as motivated during production for the Germans. The transfer of production to Austria did not increase the quality either. Today the wz. 35 Vis is highly prized among collectors of firearms

[@GreatPolishWingedHussars]

This also fits the topic of the Polish Small Arms. The Polish Browning wz. 1928 was an improved version of the Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR). So better than the original! The modifications included changing the round from 30-06 Springfield to standard Polish 7.92×57mm, the construction of a bipod and mounting, and the iron sights (peephole changed to v-notch type). The barrel was lengthened for greater accuracy and a pistol grip was added for easier aiming. The weapon was subsequently used by the Wehrmacht as a captured weapon and continued to be produced. There it bore the designation lMG 28 (p).

[@GreatPolishWingedHussars]

There was also another interesting Polish small arms! The Polish wz.35 anti-tank rifle! It was a bolt-action rifle supported by a bipod at the front of the wooden stock, fed from a 4-round box magazine. The barrel had a muzzle brake to limit recoil. It absorbed about 65% of the shot energy, and the recoil was comparable to a standard rifle, even though the cartridge carried more than twice the amount of propellant. It had iron sights fixed for a 300-meter range. The ammunition was originated from the standard 7.92×57mm cartridge as used by Standard rifle of the Polish Army wz.29 which made production cheaper and easier. The round's armor-defeating properties were not through penetration, i.e. by punching the core through the armor like a typical penetrator, but through the impact of the bullet flattening against the plate, transferring kinetic energy to the metal. The full metal jacket of the wz.35 gun due to a high muzzle velocity, was effective even under shallow angles, as instead of ricocheting, the bullet would "stick" to the armour and punch a roughly 20 mm diameter hole. The high kinetic energy was due to the relatively long barrel. The effective range was 300 m and the weapon was effective against any German tank of the period, including Panzer III and Panzer IV. It could penetrate all lightly armored vehicles in any range. The Germans used this anti-tank rifle captured in Poland later in the war and also supplied such Polish guns to the Finnish and Italian allies. By the way, only after experiences of the raid on Poland also because of encounters with Polish wz.35 anti-tank rifles the Germans started to reinforce the armor of their main battle tanks with additional applique plates in preparation for the attack on France. The Polish resistance Home Army also used wz.35 anti-tank in the fight against the Germans from stocks of the regular Polish army stored in hiding places.

[@Viper2132]

"Submachine gun" bro that's full sized rifle

[@recklssabndon]

That forward monopod is a bold move. It needs some of those dangling metal balls that truckers attach to their tow hitch

[@nettles89]

Point of order: a guy with a pickup truck is not a trucker, regardless of how many pretend to be. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a semi tractor with such…appendages.

[@recklssabndon]

@@nettles89 lol… sorry! Point taken. I should have said “pickup truck enthusiasts” I still stand by my point

[@nettles89]

@@recklssabndon And on that point, we agree.

[@recklssabndon]

@@nettles89 Ian *did* say it was Pole-ish 😆

[@Ding_Bat]

It kind of looks like it came from an era where the layout of cars’ pedals, steering wheel and control locations hadn’t been standardised yet either…

[@antjeeismann4684]

I will use this phrase in the Future, You described it spot on!

[@miloszruczynski1230]

Holy Smoke, The Man Himself is here! Hope you like Poland and that we'll get to see some more historical Polish guns dissected (Urugwaj AT rifle perhaps?)

[@zbigniewgurak8261]

AT Rifle wz.35 ("Uruguay"). While you're typing for foreigners, keep proper english typing..

[@Flurb_Xray]

I am looking forward to the video about the underground-SMGs Błyskawica and Bechowiec.

[@Sergio_Hattifnatt]

Dear Ian, i like your respect and attention to foreign names and brands. Its so heartwarming to hear your pronounsination of poland, finnish, russian, spanish names))).

[@ComissarYarrick]

Thank you Ian. Poland side of WW2 is criminaly underrated in west, be it stories, movies, or (especialy) games. Now at lest our firearm design will have a little bit of a spotlight :)

[@GazalAlShaqab]

Underrated, silenced or even worse: straight LIES are told and repeated about it :/ PS. I state a fact, I do not whine, we Poles are a lot of things but not a Nation of cry-babies and whiners like some are, we have other flaws but there is one thing nobody can deny us: we FIGHT.

[@Paciat]

Since Panzer General 1 (1994) I saw Polish units in games.

[@andersjjensen]

@@GazalAlShaqab You guys have, unfortunately, become the victims of a political balance game between Russia and Europe. But given the recent developments I think everyone on the west side of The Wall are ready to admit that you guys are: A) The the furthest thing from cry-babies in the world. B) In every good right to cross your arms across your chest and do the dad-is-tired-of-your-misbehavings face while you say "We... told... you... so..." C) Showing the kind of resolve the rest of us should aspire to. Poland and the Baltics have time and time again spoken out, but been ignored because that was the easiest thing to do. The truth was uncomfortable and could disturb the pleasant status quo of cheap oil and gas. So nobody listened... and now we're sorry.

[@histhoryk2648]

Even in Poland it still is underrated. Most comments about our weaponry from "us" are "It's just garbage, don't bother" It's a shame that foreigners have more interest in our WWII weaponry than us

[@Nether64]

@@histhoryk2648 It's not really good either. Most of our WWII weaponry was still forming when the war started. When it comes to discussions about our military engineering they usually revolve around what could've been rather than what it was. We had some gems, sure, like our famous wz. 35 Vis, and many gems were planned to reach the production lines such as Marioszek, but unfortunately we had very little time and resources.

[@taboret3280]

Im Polish and im happy to see you review these weapons

[@jmcr71795]

One of the things on my "bucket list", is to go to Poland with my Polish buddy. I mentioned to him yesterday, about your virtual tour yesterday, and he tells me he's been to that museum many, many times, as they use to have school outings to it.

[@Artur_M.]

It's great to see this video and I'm certainly looking forward to the videos about the SMGs made by the resistance: "Bechowiec" and "Błyskawica", you already teased in your Virtual Tour of the Polish Army Museum video yesterday. But I would really love to see you go further back in time and make a video about the _sztucer kozienicki_ (the Polish Army Museum has the only preserved one). It was a riffle model produced in the years 1790-1794 in the royal Factory in Kozienice, used in the Polish-Russian War of 1792 and the Kościuszko Uprising (1794) by the elite light infantry units in part modeled on the American rangers (Gen. Tadeusz Kościuszko had personal experience of the American Revolutionary War). It would be interesting to see how this rifle compares to the Pattern 1776 Infantry Rifle or the Baker Rifle.

[@niepowaznyczlowiek]

agreed

[@damonthomas8955]

Wow, the channel really earned it's name on this one. I found the automatic mag release backed up by a retention spring particularly amusing.

[@GazalAlShaqab]

I have been waiting for this for SO longtime, BIG thanks FW, thanks Ian!!

[@flashlightbeam3487]

This gun was designed for Polish pre-war era commando squad, who later build first parachute tower in United Kingdom (after Poland collapse due to German - russian invasion in 1939, many Polish soldiers moved to UK) and trained British special forces. Gun was specially created for sabotage groups to fight behind the enemy lines.

[@taitonaito]

Polish: want something small for the tank people The gun they adopted: literally almost rifle-size

[@komiks42]

Well, it wasn't adopted. The "mors" history as a weapon was cut short during the early field tests

[@taitonaito]

@@komiks42 fair point, thanks for correction

[@breslaubelmondo]

Excellent pronunciation Ian. Thank you for this video, looking forward for the rest of the batch.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

I had lots of coaching :)

[@GazalAlShaqab]

​@@ForgottenWeapons Practice makes the master, as they say :) Maybe one day You will try the famous "In the town of Szczebrzeszyn a beetle buzzes in the reed" (W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie) 😅

[@Simon_Nonymous]

Hmmm... you can tell Poland wasn't short of wood. If you got stuck in the winter that stock could be burnt to keep you warm and cook your rations for 24 hours.

[@tomaszsebastian2970]

Burning fire from gun stocks were common in time of napoleonic wars. F.e.evenings after Iena or Austerlitz.

[@dallasgrant]

Tankette is probably the least intimidating description for a tank I've ever heard, "oh look the tankettes are coming over here"

[@andrwblood9162]

This is like looking at real early firearms that used stocks that copied crossbows of the time. The lack of operational history influencing the design in ways that really requires hindsight to criticize. The mother of innovation is shit not working.

[@BigBadBalrog]

I really hate the early smg trend of putting *absolutely as much as possible* forward of the trigger. Like, if you just placed the mag well right in front of the trigger and slid the whole tube back to accommodate it would be so much shorter and handier. Maybe the trigger mechanism would be slightly more complicated, but got dayum dude. If they could figure out a way to put the stock in front of the trigger I bet they would have 😑

[@rogerwennstrom6677]

Hehe I know what you mean - agreed :) I wonder if the reason is that they still used a mostly regular rifle stock/grip? With that kind of grip that high, there isn't really room to run the tube above the grip without it getting in the way of the thumb I think? But if they'd run a lower pistol grip, or a telescoping bolt, or perhaps a heavier bolt with shorter travel, they could reduced the amount of stuff hanging off the barrel.

[@nickysimi9866]

Folding stocks technically did that lol

[@taitonaito]

This thing is literally a Polish Chauchat, prove me wrong

[@somuchnope2]

@@taitonaito it uses a non-ridiculous cartridge and didn't get years of development to benefit from tho

[@rogerwennstrom6677]

@@taitonaito Well, the Chauchat was a LMG and this is a SMG, so the "literally" falls apart there already... And the Chauchat was made in the millions and the Mors never got into mass production. (also, the Chauchat was long recoil and this is blowback, etc etc etc)

[@marcinterlecki6021]

Mors means Death in Latin and it was indeed designated name, However in Polish mors means walrus ;)

[@flashlightbeam3487]

Yes, but according to inventors, name refers to Latin "death". "Walrus" is repeated by people, who had no idea about history. Unfortunately many of them in the comments..

[@danielmilewski7659]

Polish PM-84 Glauberyt is another interesting Polish submachine gun.

[@tomektomaszewski401]

Very impresiv Ian!

[@Mrgunsngear]

Thanks

[@jamesgravel7755]

This is AWESOME!!!!!! One of the coolest sub gun stories so far.

[@Puckisher]

Amazing! Hope you had great time in Poland! Can't wait to see more interesting stuff from your visit here.

[@grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewic4061]

If i knew you were in Poland i would love to meet you

[@xXxKAMIKAZExXx]

I've been waiting for you to do a video on this gun. Glad to finally see it!

[@kurtb2522]

A rare opportunity to see a truly rare and almost forgotten weapon. Way to go, Ian! Thanks!!

[@mikewysko2268]

A forgotten weapon indeed. Thank you Ian.

[@alexwilliams9546]

Can we just get an fps with every gun from forgotten weapons?

[@jamietus1012]

H3vr is as close as you'll get

[@snepping1885]

including the matchlocks and wheellocks from the previous video xD

[@davitdavid7165]

It is going to be a balancing nightmare

[@BrorAppelsin]

Modern warfare: Elbonia

[@singami465]

You don't even know how many weapon artists use Ian's videos for 3D modelling. Extreme close-ups in high quality are a godsend.

[@nathanreese8440]

I find it fitting that the gun with an automatic magazine ejection feature has no magazines remaining with it.

[@gabrielsantosbastos5257]

Fun fact about this gun: this is the first Sub Machine Gun developed by an Elbonian

[@AMFZ2k]

You could say that the design needed more "Polishing"

[@nicholasmoore423]

Pretty sure there was a resistance gun developed too with the name of "lightning", would be cool to see a video on it

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Błyskawica. It's coming. :)

[@GazalAlShaqab]

@@ForgottenWeapons Really? So impatient to see!!!! It is our Polish pride too, really! With those lightnings on the paddle of the shoulder stock… 🤩

[@NoirBadGuy]

I salute you Ian sir for attempt at pronouncing designers names. It must have felt like riding bike down the very long steep stairs, no helmet nor breaks.

[@Ginrummy33]

I'm guessing he got some friendly local to say the names and he tried to copy it as best he could. A cold attempt without that would probably not work out for someone not at all familiar with the language.

[@kornel225]

few years ago i read notes from summer '39 where polish army tested paratroopers units (they suppose to be diversions groups) and they had few mors smg, if I good remember idea was to give 2 smg on every squad

[@smellypee8761]

Can't wait for a far future version of forgotten weapons where early coil and rail guns are demonstrated, taken apart. Specially the "polish" style of arms making or even the future street sweeper coil gun

[@Robaken]

Oh, the YT actually recommended me your vid (change in algorithm?) 😃 It's been a while since I visited the channel (shame on me), but seeing the material from my home-Country made my heart melt 🥰 Very good vid, shame that they did not manufactured the mag to make the gun 'whole'. ...I'm off to check another of your material from Poland, as I see that you have few more 🤩

[@agenturawubekistanie]

Thank you, mr Ian

[@comrade_grigory2133]

I can't wait for Ian to review bechowiec since he's in Warsaw

[@alimanski7941]

It's got... character, that's for sure

[@dallaswood4117]

The stock looks like it was carved from a tree with a pocket knife by someone sitting by a campfire haha

[@ukaszwalczak1154]

Pole here, 'Mors' doesn't mean Death, in Latin maybe(source: dzejrid), but in Polish, 'Mors' means walrus- Edit: So, uh, the name being 'death' IS right actually, as Piotr Wilniewczyc named the guns he worked on after Latin words , like the more famous 'VIS'.

[@seanbaker9796]

Excellent!! Thank you Ian!

[@JETWTF]

The magazine partial-eject system is a pretty good idea. Lock the bolt open and start to eject the magazine saves time I can imagine, No fumbling with an eject lever to eject the magazine and inserting a fresh full one makes it ready to fire. Could be very useful if you are contorting yourself behind small cover and you only have off hand access to the very bottom of the magazine all the way to saving half a millisecond in a training course and not need the muscle memory to release a magazine. Small concept idea that I think should be the norm. Emptied magazines should pre-eject and should not be allowed to fully insert unless there's 1 or more rounds.

[@Surepeacooler]

Keep up the great gun content Ian

[@WetDoggo]

Guys while designing this gun: "it needs a schlong" "wow that's what I thought 🤔" "it will be remembered as the schlong gun" [Romanian Ak] Entered the chat

[@adamczajkowski2665]

We were not sure what it should fit for - dynamic close quarter combat or static defense of entrenched positions. Therefore we decided it will not suit anywhere.

[@wilhelmusMax]

Fantastic! Thank you. Dziękuję 😊

[@ninus17]

I hope he Got the chance to also film some of the modern weapons from Poland like the MSBS Grot, which I find particularly fascinating as they are made both as regular rifles and as bulpup rifles.

[@loupiscanis9449]

Thank you , Ian . 🐺

[@dongochoangkhang]

3:36 the TKS tankette with 20mm cannon in the picture belong to tank ace Edmund Orlik

[@wreload23]

We heave also " Bechowiec".... Very Very smal arms..... "garage production" 🤗

[@saneavenue356]

Wow, finally, Ian is making videos in MWP, and I ever wondered if that would happen.

[@Matt_The_Hugenot]

Army: we want an SMG, our rifles are too big. Designer: here's an SMG. A: nice try, now make it more like a rifle. D: like this? A: no, longer. D: this? A: that's it. Now for field trials. Tanker: Sir. These new rifles are too big sir.

[@dinoslavski]

truthfully the doctrine was to arm the frontline troops with semi autos, rest with bolt actions, and scouts as well as other specialised units with SMGs

[@PanProper]

Wilniewczyc eksperymentował z pistoletem VIS przerobionym na możliwość strzelania seriami. Taki pistotet miał magazynek o większej pojemności i kolbę-futerał. Niestety problem z szybkostrzelnością (>1000 strzałów na minutę) nie został rozwiązany i taki pistolet nie wszedł do użycia. (Ale mocowanie do kolby ma każdy przedwojenny VIS). Projekt małego pistoletu maszynowego odżył po wojnie w postaci PM-63. Mors był przeznaczony dla piechoty. Stąd jego długość i podobieństwo do polskiego Mausera wz. 29.

[@latinojackson9694]

That's some Mad Max stuff right there.

[@Xathos]

I dunno what is more "forgotten" here: the firearm or the audio quality.

[@krishnalennon3137]

You made this machine interesting, you truly make the world a little better place, thank you!/

[@mrsmartypants4541]

The name Mors - "Walrus" is a reference to how the magazine looks when loaded, since it's so far out it looks like a walrus' tusk.

[@NinjaAnonim]

Mors - Walrus, Death - Śmierć. It is so nice to see more of the polish guns for the world to see :D

[@brumm3653]

@@NinjaAnonim mors does mean death in Latin.

[@aidenhall8593]

I was like “what’s so problematic about it” and then I saw the grip and my brain made the tim allen noise

[@TheBrohomie]

The design is very human The auto drop sounds really cool actually

[@crazysilly2914]

There is a mod for AR-15’s that does this. There is also another mod that automatically drops the bolt to go forward as soon as you insert a magazine, so you don’t have to push the bolt release button (it was made to get around California’s 'assault weapon features’ rules regarding bolt-go-forward buttons vs. 'non-assault weapon' manual racking, which ironically made an even faster more efficient gun…)

[@golem5809]

Love your content, as always - but pleeeease, check your mic gain more thoroughly prerecording. Big thanks from my audiophile ears :-)

[@Kumimono]

I do wonder about the "too high" rate of fire. That's undoubtedly a hindrance to a ground pounder, who has to lug extra ammo around for a sustained fight. But for a tanker, this would most likely get use if your tank has been incapacitated, and you need to skedadle, now, and get a new tank. A large volume of fire for the relatively short time you fight on foot would seem to be beneficial, to keep enemy infantry suppressed. And then you get a new tank and replenished ammo. Not a military man, just musing.

[@PanProper]

Dlatego w Morsie zastosowano podciśnieniowy opóźniacz zmniejszający szybkostrzelność do akceptowalnych 420-450 strzałów na minutę. Dodatkowo ta szybkostrzelność jest tak dobrana aby pistolet maszynowy był jak najbardziej celny przy strzelaniu serią...

[@doctordoggo8604]

The problem is that the faster your fire rate is the less time you can suppress your enemy. In machine guns this isn't as much of an issue as mgs can penetrate lots of barriers and thus 'blind firing' through walls needs a somewhat shotgun like effect

[@Gameprojordan]

The thing was probably firing at over 1000 rpm. It's pretty impractical to have that high of a rate of fire for 24 round magazine, regardless if you're a tanker or infantry. Especially for a tanker. Imagine your tank gets hit and you scramble out of your tank, see some germans down the road and you freak out and squeeze down on the trigger of your gun and it spits out your entire magazine in about a 1.5 seconds. Now you're screwed and I can imagine tankers didn't have alot of room to carry tons of spare mags on them, probably 2 or 3 mags max. For a gun firing over 1000 rpm that's about 4 seconds of sustained fire in total before you're completely depleted.

[@jeromethiel4323]

The magazine auto-release and auto "whatever" when you replace the empty magazine with a full one is just cool! I have always wondered why pistols that lock open when empty don't close automatically when the empty magazine is replaced. I personally do not want the magazine to automatically eject, but it would be nice that once to slapped a full magazine in, the slide would chamber the round and be ready to fire, without having to drop the slide manually. Sure, dropping the slide manually isn't that big a deal, i just thought it would be a desirable feature. At least to me.

[@jten1116]

Heard that some Smith&Wesson M&P series pistols at least do that "autoload" when you insert the mag. However, it is not consistent, you need to have the mag in a right angle etc. So not sure if it actually is a designed feature or just something that"might happen if all the stars align". I've had it happen maybe once or twice on a pistol I shot, but I can't remember what brand it was. Pretty sure it wasn't S&W though. What I do remember is that when I tried to do it on purpose, I couldn't do it.... I wouldn't be too mad about that "autoload" feature, if I insert a full mag on my gun that means I want it to be ready to fire. I guess having a light operating slide release might help to create that feature(so that when you insert a mag the "punching in" drops the slide release and slide goes home)but might be a fine line how light you want it to be...I'm sure also that "autoload" feature is something not everyone wants, for safety reasons.

[@paulszymanski3091]

The museum also have another very very rear sub machine gun called BCHowiec. Here is the link to it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bechowiec-1 The story of this gun is a legend by itself.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

I filmed that one as well :)

[@paulszymanski3091]

@@ForgottenWeapons Thank you! It deserves recognition!

[@cbsboyer]

So it has an unnecessary quick change barrel that could be finnicky to align, an empty magazine auto-eject feature that doesn't actually eject the empty magazine, a monopod that would actually make the gun less accurate if you used it, and most importantly, a vented barrel shroud, all in an SMG the size of a carbine. Are you certain they weren't designing this to export to the Elbonians? I don't mean to be "that guy", but it really does check all the boxes.

[@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing]

Still less depressing than a Polish gun named "Cancer" If my named ended in "ski", I feel like it wouldn't be out of character to name my guns taxes, premature balding, and erectile dysfunction

[@rockid7970]

Funny thing considering the fact that most, if not every surname in Polish that ends in -ski means that it belonged to someone from the noblemen

[@antjeeismann4684]

😂

[@josephgudobba8125]

When Ian said "at any rate" it made me think of a video idea of a progression of rpms of weapons Ian has fired like from low to high

[@triumphstagdriver]

I assume we will not be seeing this on the range tomorrow...

[@theproceedings4050]

Naming a firearm death is one of the most metal things I've ever heard.

[@snepping1885]

@@zwariowanywiktor8784 walrus is also a very metal name xD

[@another3945]

Well actually Mors might be refering to the animal. As while it may mean death in latin, in polish it means "Walrus"

[@ang3lek]

Fun fact - I'm Polish and I was sure it's named after walrus, as mors is its name in Polish...

[@Galvars]

@@ang3lek Fun fact - I'm Polish too, and I'm sure it was NOT named after walrus but as all historical sources say, after latin word for "death".

[@ang3lek]

@@Galvars I'm not claiming it was, just never realized it was in Latin.

[@shibasurfing]

Great video! Just FYI the mic quality seems really bad, so your voice is distorted. Just to let you know!

[@giiiiiban]

In polish, "mors" means "walrus". "Death" is "śmierć". I hope I helped :D All hail to gun Jesus :D

[@Occurredcord]

Will be going to see family shortly. Hope you also got to look at the Uprising museum not far away.

[@marc_2690]

I am a fan of AceOfSpadeZ (roblox game) and long time fan of forgotten weapons, i always wanted a video on this.

[@OrangeAmped]

It's like if you asked an 8 year old to draw a subgun and then used that as the blueprint.

[@johnfisk811]

With Mors meaning walrus I imagine that it was a reference to the monopod grip looking like walrus tusks. Thank you Ian.

[@collinadams8165]

My first thought seeing the strange middle grip/monopod was, "Why wouldn't you just hold it by the magazine well?"

[@PanProper]

Chwyt jest umieszczony w miejscu w którym pistolet jest najbardziej celny przy strzelaniu ogniem ciągłym lub seriami.

[@svenjonsson9]

That is a gun that was most definitely cursed with "Good Idea Fairy" syndrome....

[@-YELDAH]

Personally I wouldn't adopt a gun that has a monopod without knowing what a monopod does lol

[@oldesertguy9616]

I was just thinking, with Czechoslovakia already manufacturing a semi-auto rifle, along with other developments in the Slavic countries, it would have been interesting if the war had started just one year later.

[@jalpat2272]

Presumably a lot worse maybe Stalin would catch Hitler funk to backstabbing him or Soviet would invaded Poland first.

[@oldesertguy9616]

@Jan Krynicky I am aware of the timeline. I was thinking if everything was shoved forward a year, to include the Sudetenland takeover. I also realize it wouldn't be as simple as just waiting another year, I was just wondering what could have been accomplished without the Nazi invasion, although the threat of invasion no doubt influenced the speed at which these things were developed.

[@TomDingleby]

It's not "death", it's walrus. Which makes it an even more interesting name.

[@Galvars]

It is "Death", gun receive latin name.

[@bart413]

@@Galvars not nowadays but you might be right!

[@Galvars]

@@bart413 It's still it's name. Back then and today, nothing change. Because word is the same as the polish one for walrus create confusion.

[@PobortzaPl]

Ur is Latin name?

[@Galvars]

@@PobortzaPl What Ur have to do with that?

[@DarkestVampire92]

When the good idea strikes not just once, but several times and ruins the gun entirely.

[@rafabankowski7737]

Wow... I suggested that about 2 years ago on Fb. Propobly coincidence but nice to think Ian reads comments...

[@F4Wildcat]

Problematic First SMG or First problematic SMG. The switching of these 2 first words can mean so much. Because we all know later polish SMG's were awesome.

[@szymonolszewski9840]

Were they? Which ones?

[@F4Wildcat]

@@szymonolszewski9840 ....okay Maybe i was a bit to enthousiastic because i just remembered the PM-63. The Glauberyt is pretty awesome tough

[@PobortzaPl]

Why not both?

[@breadoffender2738]

@@PobortzaPl because, let's be honest PM63 kinda sucked

[@breadoffender2738]

or at least I don't really like it

[@KamikazeMedias]

Ian is basically the free advertisement for musems at this point

[@kevlarandchrome]

Holy crap, I've never seen a picture of a TKS before. That is the most adorable armored vehicle I've ever encountered.

[@kamilszadkowski8864]

Chieftan has a video about TKS on his channel. Highly recommended.

[@kevlarandchrome]

@@kamilszadkowski8864 Cool, I'll look that up. Thanks.

[@crazysilly2914]

It doesn’t seen THAT small, I’ve seen vehicles smaller than that, that were considered full-on tanks...

[@kamilszadkowski8864]

@@crazysilly2914 No way! Can you name them?

[@GazalAlShaqab]

@@crazysilly2914 Were they Matchbox or Majorette? :D

[@andyd2449]

that's truly a forgotten weapen

[@TerryDowne]

Very interesting, I had no idea the Poles bought the whole stock of EMP 35s from Erma. When the British set up a Polish section of SOE the agents were trained to use two SMGs, the EMP 35 and the Suomi. Now I know why.