New Springfield Echelon: Croatia's Chassis System Pistol

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The Springfield Echelon pistol was released today, and it's a significant step forward for Croatian manufacturer HS Produkt. In an effort to appeal to new military and police tenders as well as introduce a forward-looking new design, the company has brought out a pistol based on a serialized chassis like that of the SIG P365 and P320. HS Produkt recognized that their previous design (the XD and XD-M in the US and the HS2000 and HS9 in Europe) was falling behind. Its grip safety was getting it rejected from a lot of major tenders, but rather than just made a new versions without that element, they chose to move to a whole new platform. Work began about 2 years ago, and it is now ready for market.
For now, the Echelon is available only in this basic configuration, although that does include a lot of premium features - light rail, ambi controls, tritium front sight, and an optics mounting plate. A threaded barrel is also available separately. In the future, I have no doubt we will see a wide variety of other configurations from subcompact to oversize competition models - that is one of the core strengths of the chassis system, after all.
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[@hangnwithdosei3266]

The metal pin on the interchangeable backstraps is also intended to be the "armorer's tool" (pin punch) for the gun.

[@reidmortensen2629]

Ironic how “armorer’s tool” could also be a good pinch pun.

[@CalzaTheFox]

Smart. Doesn't have to be toolless, just integrate the tool with the gun.

[@dcwillis87]

Seen an Umarex Colt SAA “Peacemaker” CO2 pellet pistol the other day, they integrated the Allen wrench for tightening the co2 into the grip you pop off to install it, thought it was freaking genius. Actually the whole little thing was genius but I’m not getting into that here. I like good engineering. 😋

[@coryhartshorn5941]

I've watched five reviews for this gun in the last hour. Not because of the gun itself but the style of review between each reviewer's two cents. By far gun Jesus is the most in-depth and unbiased just by presiding facts and history.

[@Jeff.78]

This is the first review of this pistol I've watched simply for Ian's take on it being free of bias. Now, I'll watch the rest and see if my view changes.

[@Sir_Los]

​@@Jeff.78I watched tfb review for the glock fan hate.

[@Jeff.78]

@@Sir_Los That was my 2nd

[@michaelblacktree]

Press embargoes being what they are, my sub feed was full of Echelon reviews. I knew the Forgotten Weapons review would be the most detailed, so I clicked.

[@driftitlikeyouownit]

​@@Sir_Lossoooo much hate from the glock and sig guys. They are salty 😂

[@jouniquecroat5466]

HS PRODUKT made this gun, Croatian factory, they made XDM, HELLCAT, HELLCAT PRO, HELLION and ECHELON I'm so proud 🤗🤭

[@Dstev98141]

A single stack 45, or a double stack 9mm on the same platform is a really interesting concept, I am in for one of those!

[@esrvdb88]

It’s a shame Steyr never actually did many chassis things with their original patent, US6260301B1. Their M9 series used it and are great pistols, but they never leveraged the modularity on the consumer side.

[@randylahey2242]

its because its a dumb design. The receiver is almost always one of the cheapest parts of the gun so you might as well just buy a whole other gun if your buying every other part. Its a solution for a problem that doesn't exist

[@Aperson156]

​@@randylahey2242have you not seen the popularity of the 320 and 365, and how massive their aftermarket has become after a relatively short time? You can completely transform your handgun with a cheap grip module, with no worries about serial numbers, etc.

[@KeterMalkuth]

@@randylahey2242 You're wrong. The fire control group is *not* cheap. With a traditional design, you'd need to either permanently modify your grip, if you want to do something else with it, like have a shorter grip, or buy a whole new "Firearm" by getting a new lower. With a chassis, whether you want a 19 or a 17 length grip, you're only a 50, 80 dollar grip module away, which is significantly better than 250 dollars, plus FFL transfer. You can just get a grip module shipped to your door. As well, improved triggers can be extremely expensive. With a chassis, you only have to upgrade your one chassis, and then you can have an improved, expensive trigger on all your grip modules and setups. Plus, some lengths of slides aren't compatible with all lengths of lowers. That inherently necessitates buying even *more* parts if you want more breadth to your options. Plus the cost of upgrading the FCU components if you desire to on each of them. A chassis can easily save you hundreds of dollars, and will invariably save you some annoyance with FFL transfers.

[@randylahey2242]

@@Aperson156 if you want a short grip then you will want a short barrel to. If your changing the slide grip and barrel you might as well buy a new gun. If you want a long grip then you might as well have a long barrel to. It makes 0 sense to have a modular pistol. Its not like there is a huge hassle with registering and limits to how many guns you can have. If i want a compact pistol i pick up my 43x, if i want a big pistol i grab a 17. There is no universe where i want to get my hand greasy every time i want to switch guns to save $20 on a transfer fee and have less guns.

[@Aperson156]

@@randylahey2242 Nope. I like shorter grips and longer barrels. Keeps the gun pinned closer to my hip while carrying. Modularity lets you see what works best for you more easily, and allows more upgrades in the future.

[@Jimtheneals]

I have always chosen one carry gun and just use it for everything, self defense and target shooting but I really love the modular system. You can setup whatever configuration you want and change it very quickly. My hat's off to both sig and HS for this innovation.

[@ferrisbueller9991]

The Military, US, agrees with you. It is pretty cool. Perfect for someone who wants to do target shooting with their ccw. And goo on you for target shooting with what you carry opposed to just those olympic 22s. I mean those are great and have a place but if you are going to be proficient with anything what you use for self defense is most practical.

[@thelastjohnwayne]

One Gun to rule them all

[@russianvideovlogguy]

I know what you mean, one time I had this crazy mexican try to attack me -- I drew my firearm -- but he was begging me to shoot him -- I quickly realized it was one of those suicide attempts by "cop" as they say -- in this case armed civilian -- I just got the hell out of there, and I feel I somehow saved his life -- idk it was fucking weird -- luckily he did not have a gun -- he was just extremely violent

[@jeromethiel4323]

@@thelastjohnwayne One gun to rule them all, One gun to find them, One gun to bring them all and in the range to shoot them. ^-^

[@aaronfarnsworth7653]

@@jeromethiel4323 Duck! The eye of Springfield is looking this way. sootch00 is the one reviewer that most looks like Gollum so keep an eye on him. He didn't in his reveal vid, but if he starts calling it "Precious" we'll know you're right.

[@Osprey1994]

Honestly, HS Produkt and Springfield sat back taking notes, and they have put out a product that I'm honestly very interested in. Besides the VHS-2 I've never really been interested in anything they put out, and now I'm sitting here thinking that I'll probably have to give this a look.

[@igorsvacic217]

trust me, smooth as butter. I cant even remember when another gun sat so nicely in my hand while shooting, And on top its pretty precise, very minimal recoil, its just a good good pistol

[@pastordoogie8438]

Ian, I really love the way you show the disassembly of firearms!! It really brings out what makes each gun unique.

[@alenpancirov7806]

Greatings from Croatia

[@LaputanMachad]

I figured I should let you know that new production XDM pistols (like mine) also have the joint Springfield and HS Produkt crest on the top of the slide. I was also very happy to see this as someone who really enjoys HS Produkt guns.

[@petesheppard1709]

Actually, the chassis concept was pioneered by Kel-Tec in the '90s with the P11, then refined by Sig and now HS/Springfield. EDIT: It has been pointed out in the comments that the chassis concept originally came out of S. Africa. Thanks to everyone who politely and thoughtfully pointed this out.

[@tedgerahedron]

yup keltec really never gets their due though

[@pandaking6247]

All that cocaine really did pay off for the Kel-Tec folks

[@SoccerVJ2011]

Kel Tec is very creative

[@Battle_rifles]

No in the 80s republic arms in South Africa was the first and they had a patent for it the inventor was Stuart Beachum

[@petesheppard1709]

Thank you! There’s always something new to learn!

[@hoilst265]

The Springfield EcHELLon was right there, Springfield. Who's running your branding department?

[@alanniederlitz8630]

I WENT AND BOUGHT ONE after yours and a few other videos about it. IT is a very accurate pistol... HS PRODUKT is making some great firearms. I also have the VHS which ALSO is very very accurate...

[@Apocalyptico100]

Breakfast with Forgotten Weapons always tastes better ❤

[@bobhill3941]

Great to relax with and learn with before work❤

[@roberttrester4030]

Right!😂

[@nicholaspatton5590]

It’s good to see they made the slide catch buttons smaller. Occasionally I depress the catch by mistake with my grip and the slide goes forward on an empty chamber, which is hard to tell when shooting. It is also good to see they improved the way you swap grips. Those damn metal roll pins took forever to beat out through a polymer grip. I am a fan of the larger “grip zone” pattern like on the XDM over this stippling but the stippling is effective. It’s just a texture thing for me. I hope my grip safety never fails :)

[@WranglerJKLS]

Thanks Ian, I can watch five other reviewers on the same pistol then watch your video and always learn something new. While they may not be forgotten, I enjoy your videos on more recent and current production firearms and would like to see more.

[@lelandgaunt9985]

Dang! Was ALL of KZbin given this pistol!

[@JordanFlayer]

no, we bought this one :P

[@Spine1337]

It's so funny to see my subscription box fill with videos of the same gun at the same time. You can clearly see the time when the release embargo lifted.

[@harrycallahan9733]

5:25 I think the implementation of the red dot cut is actually the real innovation of this gun, not the modular fire control unit (TT-33 had it). Most other guns like Glock have proprietary cut, then you install a plate for a certain brand of red dot. So the red dot will sit a bit higher. The pocket guns usually have their slide cut for direct mounting of red dot, but only for a specific foot print like Shield. To put other brands on you still need a plate to convert. Echelon's cut has so many different screw holes drilled already, and pegs are moveable/configurable, so many red dot models can direct mount on it, and sits lower than other guns. This is where the money is, I think :)

[@balkicroatia]

​@@communistsaregross3165 ...words without any experience behind. You're probably "influencer";-)))

[@jedidiahpavlik6260]

​@@communistsaregross3165 Hmmm sounds like an uneducated, biased personal opinion based on, probably, what would amount to nothing. Thanks for letting me know. Don't know where I would be without that comment. 😂

[@toddcolston1501]

Springfield's reps and the podcasts that made a topic of the gun talked up this point a lot too. I hope other companies can follow suit or at least talk to some optics manufacturers and tell them to unify their hole placements.

[@user-yl4iq4cd1j]

Damn near the only "review" or break down of this firearm that didn't ignore the fact that it's an imported pistol and not a "springfield" piece lol

[@coreyschmidt734]

I’m a big fan of the HS Produkt made firearms. Yours is the only video I’ve seen that actually mentions HS Produces the firearm. They deserve the recognition in my opinion. I’ve often wondered how much say Springfield Armory has in these forearms. Are they a collaboration or does Springfield simply import firearms that HS creates and produces? Of course the HS9!was solely an HS creation as was the VHS2 with some minor tweaks for the American market.

[@AugustusM-sj3rv]

Damn, we have pretty short memories to already have this on forgotten weapons

[@NINE93THREE]

More like these WILL be forgotten cuz why are we letting euros make Springfields?! Do the mexicans make COLT now?

[@erasmojtorres]

🤣

[@DaveTex2375]

"Today on FORGOTTEN (and Interesting) Weapons.

[@alexsmith-gn4tp]

😅❤

[@TheLegoJoker]

😂😂

[@justinalias7969]

Love the XD in .45 and 9mm. Kinda of like the grip safety though; I’ve never had an issue with it interfering in any way. The Double safeties add good redundancy without including a side one

[@jonathang6920]

I sometimes feel like I’m the only one that actually likes the grip safety. It is completely passive, and therefore doesn’t require any thought or action to disable, but still makes me feel so much safer reholstering because I can put pressure only on the slide/lower grip ensuring that even if my shirt or something caught the trigger, nothing is going bang. I really wish they would make a newer version of the XDS using the magazines from the Hellcat.

[@CyborgZeta]

​@@jonathang6920Exactly. You explain the things I like about the grip safety better than I could.

[@ComradeCole]

I really think HS Produkt is well on it's way to be a major player in firearm development. I think they could very well rival HK, SIG, and FN.

[@TheGlockno1]

They cant low price is their main adventage

[@dave_riots]

The last thing you'd want is for them to be in direct competition with H&K. As soon as their products start directly competing with H&K, their prices will too.

[@rvieira8057]

@@dave_riots Good point!

[@HircineDaWolf]

they are mainly developing for their home country military use

[@yupyup4209]

This is a super generic pistol. The only unique thing they have is the VHS which quite frankly sucks. They don't compare to the other companies

[@TheWarmotor]

I have a couple of XDs, great pistols. I'll probably get this one, too. Thanks Ian! Changing the registered part seems like a great way to have a convertible carbine?

[@ClickClack_Bam]

I think the Springfield XD-40 (or 9 or 45) full service model is the best firearm ever. Similar to a Glock with a top notch trigger. I can't miss with the thing.

[@ClickClack_Bam]

@@MagicalTrout It's a passive safety. The greatest kind of safety.

[@TheWarmotor]

@@MagicalTrout I have big hands, I've never noticed the grip safety, never been an issue. That said; they could remove it, I'd be fine with that! I DO prefer at least having the split trigger over the manual safety on my deagle, I couldn't tell you off the top of my head if up or down was safe and they couldn't be bothered to add a drop of red paint. I have a single stage, drop-in FCU for an AR15, it's so nice that it sits in the box looking super pretty :) ironically the one part that I've kept stock on all 3 of my ARs is the $5 mil-spec triggers. They break clean enough and I'm just used to them...

[@user-xj3ve7wt8k]

Croatia really likes modularity 😄

[@unlearningcommunism4742]

Not when Milosevic wanted to make them modular X)

[@joshstanton267]

It's a good concept for a smaller population nation

[@user-xj3ve7wt8k]

@@joshstanton267 True.

[@Mixu.]

I *really* like the look of this. Seems like it would be very comfortable and easy to handle. Not super sold on the whizzbang features, but they likely don't hurt either. Maybe they'll even be nice.

[@evosteff]

Looks like a fake Canik

[@texasranger24]

An Echelon variant with the Pro SD treatment would be cool. Give it a factory upgraded trigger, 5" threaded barrel (in both 1/2x28 with the Hellcat dimple for the RDP compensator system and the objectively superior M13.5x1LH for suppressor connaisseurs. And not 5.1" or 5.2" as it should stay legal with most competitive rulebooks that ask for 5" flat) and maybe a factory magwell. And ship it with 4 large magazines that have bombproof floorplates. Plus an enlarged slide stop lever, but just on the left side where most right handed people want. Red dot cowitnessing height irons (so lower than full suppressor height) with a fiber optic front, a tungsten guide rod and steel chassis would also be cool, at least as upgrade parts.

[@griffinjones6378]

FWIW, it's actually a +3 baseplate, making it a 20-round magazine. Can confirm, I have an Echelon.

[@Andrew85or]

Can also confirm the mag will hold 21 if you really want it to.

[@---tx9xx]

Finally someone who actually names this for what it is, HS Produkt from coratia, a fine manufactrr, NOT SA which is just the US importer nothing more

[@itsapittie]

The Sig P250 was available in 9mm, .40, and .45 using the same chassis so it's not impossible that HS could do it as well.

[@Starless85]

I don’t know why i thought for half a second this was an actual Springfield product. Should have know it was Croatian.

[@michaelblacktree]

Sorry to nitpick, but Sig didn't pioneer the chassis system. For example, Steyr already had a US patent on a pistol chassis system (and they sued Sig over it). And other mfgrs (Kel-Tec for example) experimented with chassis systems in the past. Come to think of it, delving into the history of handgun chassis systems might be a good topic for a video.

[@ЕвгенийМакаров-в6л]

Chinese have it on QSZ-92 pistol, designed in early 1990s

[@ggrandcz]

Sig definetly pioneered chassis system. Other just use it before but they did not use it in their favor. You cannot buy different sizes (or colors) of grips for Steyr...

[@RepentorPerish77]

Glock didn’t pioneer the polymer pistol either but look who gets credit for doing so…why b/c they are the company that actually got it going in mass usage

[@claywurzlow8487]

Just drinking coffee, found the New release video I was looking for. 👌 Super Fine review/table top. Appreciate it

[@Lumadous]

The hellcat is already a competitive alternative to the 365

[@SubBubz]

Maybe P365XL vs hellcat pro, but other than that not really. P365 line expands much more and has much better models, it's not really a contest.

[@Lumadous]

@@SubBubz it would not be that hard to make the hellcat smaller. A shorter barrel and grip are an easily feasible option that they have

[@Taylorc52]

@@SubBubz”better models” that have worse grips, a proprietary rail, and hold less ammo in the same size? Suuuuureeee

[@danwolfe7665]

When I went and shot both of them I preferred the Hellcat Pro. I bought one that day and it has been my daily carry gun since then.

[@kenibnanak5554]

I am seeing no less than 4 videos pop up today about this pistol. There are probably more. Great advertising.

[@voltagedrop]

I have to admit I always held a slight grudge against Springfield Armory for using that name, and if HS sold guns under their own name in the US I would have a much more positive attitude towards the guns.

[@andersjjensen]

Welp. Now their name is on the gun at least.

[@MarioAPN]

Money is power.

[@TheSultan1470]

Ok

[@StevenRogers-hw9dj]

@@andersjjensen Ian's a bit behind the times on that item. I own XDMs in 10mm and .45 and a .45 XD-e, all of which have the Springfield Armory/HS Produkt marking.

[@poip202]

Yeah Springfield supporting gun control keeps me from ever giving them any of my jars earned money thats for sure

[@theodoreheintz7891]

Sig 320 now available with less accidental discharge!

[@pjm204]

The Kel-Tec P-11 had a chassis system in the 90's. Sig didn't pioneer it, they just made it more popular like the 365.

[@MrWyzzerd]

Ah I wish you'd shown more on the optics mounting system! It seems like that may be the most revolutionary new design of the pistol.

[@MoMo-zo1jw]

Another really excellent discussion on a specific firearm. I’ve watched a number of this channel’s videos and have always found them to be both highly informative and a bit calmer than most other videos that focus on a particular firearm. Please continue with the great work!

[@Roozhy]

I have had a HS2000 for 4 years and never had a grip safety failure or issue.

[@johnqpublic2718]

Springfield marketing department went HAM on this one.

[@robertf6523]

never apologize for "rambling on"... your detailed deep dives and factual presentations are precisely why 2.58 million of us have subscribed and watch your videos

[@BeingFireRetardant]

For the most part, other channels do the new guns, but when Ian does them, you learn the whys and hows of the design, thus his opinion carries significantly more weight.

[@robertf6523]

@@BeingFireRetardant indubitably

[@funkla65]

I think I'd prefer to have beefier frame rails on the chassis like the APX, but it appears to check all the other boxes (and then some).

[@andersjjensen]

WOW! Get me this in .30 Super Carry! I like EVERY aspect of this gun. Trigger-only safety and striker fired. And I especially that it's not going to come with the Sig "brand tax". Good job technical side HS, and nice of Springfield Armoury to recognise the value of their partner.

[@Shepard0509]

The Beretta APX also has a chassis that can be removed from the grip frame. They offer frames in different colors as aftermarket parts.

[@geebeaux]

Dang, pistol just introduced today, and already Forgotten.

[@jakobdavid2102]

springfields idea to have everybody release their videos about the gun at the same day is brilliant. I see it all over my fyp and nothing else. That´s good marketing

[@HarryPrimate]

The wave of the future. Modular Tactical Tubberware.

[@LosRiji]

You can store skittles in the back strap if u r into that

[@joshuabaker5712]

Holy crap HS actually cares about the left of us. They basicly mirror the left and right side of the gun. Not just a funky swap the mag release around and thats all we get. I seriously hope this has a better and not mushy trigger like the Sog does. If it has a good trigger ill be wanting one for sure.

[@frankopanklaric]

So this is a hs produkt thing? James gave me the impression it was actually springfield pumping these out.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

These are made in Croatia. I don't know what manufacturing facilities Springfield Armory has are in the US, but I can guarantee they are nothing like the HS complex in Karlovac.

[@normanmccollum6082]

Yeah! You go, Croatia! Wicked stuff, arm up and stay strong! Sounds like you might just someday give the Czechs a run for their money, and that's bloody high praise from this Canuck. Czechnology is best nology... for now. I'm digging the competition!

[@buckjohnson]

Loved the insight on why we’re seeing all the modular FCUs from Europe and the 1968 gun regulation. Subscribership earned.

[@RSpracticalshooting]

I knew that the modular chassis idea was gonna be the next big thing. It just makes so much sense for everyone to pivot towards that.

[@MrHav1k]

I LOVE it!!! I think HS/Springfield have a big winner on their hands here.

[@allthingsconsidered3211]

Its big for cali with the current rulling, the rooster only req a mag disconnect and loaded chamber ind. sig just added their m18/p320

[@chato555]

Thanks for the good review as always! Very informative.

[@FunkyPertwee]

"No grip zone... finally!" Grip zone was removed from the Mod. 2 frame years ago, then they simply discontinued the entire Mod. 2 series.

[@luvmechanix]

I have never heard anyone complain about a grip safety before

[@mtnbound2764]

love how ian whispering in HS's ear "you shall build a single stack .45"

[@tomross2666]

The ergonomics remind me of the Beretta APX. I think HS/Springfield probably has a winner on their hands.

[@johnrigdon7682]

Single stack 10mm compact would be sick

[@azcompetitiveshooter]

one of the best channels out there, not just for firearms, but as a whole! and ian is a hottie! see you at uspsa at pima🎉

[@peterbaan9671]

Yeah, they get mad, because it wasn't a civil war, it was an independence war. You would be mad too if they were to call the US independence war a British civil war...

[@somedayzo6]

Ian, Another well spoken and very enjoyable production!

[@unlearningcommunism4742]

Point of failure? On XD-M it's activated on the very first millimeter of travel.

[@anthonyarcher7268]

Might want to cite when the grip safety has led to decreased reliability, since it hasn't.

[@michaelathens953]

I don't really understand the hate out there for the XD series. I really liked my XD compact; it was hella cheap, good accuracy/handling and it went bang every time I wanted it to. Can't really ask much more from a firearm I bought at a pawn shop on an extremely tight budget to deal with the super rough neighborhood I found myself living and working in...

[@acidtreat101]

Looks cool. An XD was my first pistol due to price and availability at the time. While it is not my favorite now, I would definitely consider getting one of these! I just need the petty and unsafe handgun "safety" law to be overruled in California, and I will pick one up when available! Very curious how the trigger is!

[@ClickClack_Bam]

What do you think is better? I haven't found one yet.

[@joshpainter4877]

I guess it's not Springfield armory anymore but Croatia Amory now!

[@TemperedMedia]

Next thing you know, they'll be building T-1000 units that automatically deploy when they're finished!

[@jacobkeltz3584]

It looks like a solid little pistol

[@FuzedBox]

"You'll notice there is no *GRIP ZONE* anywhere on it. Thank you, finally!" I actually have a late production example of the meme gun itself: The infamous XD Mod.2, and mine lacks the *GRIP ZONE* markings. They really got a lot of shit over that, understandably, but funnily enough- it really was an excellent, truly good grip. I kind of wish mine sported the markings just for the meme factor.

[@elsydeon666]

I hope they make a 15-round magazine version so they can legally sell it in Illinois, where Springfield Armory is located.

[@loupiscanis9449]

Thank you , Ian . 🐺 Loupis Canis .

[@andyd2960]

I will definitely be watching out for this. Especially if they have a more competitive price point.

[@Rose.Of.Hizaki]

Definitely would like to see more compact/sub-compact 45s for EDC!!!

[@PoorMan972]

Kahr CW45 is a solid choice, except to those folks who think they need to carry a 14+ round magazine.

[@carsismeZ06]

Ian, I need more Croatian guns highlighted!

[@JordanFlayer]

stay tuned!

[@_blento_2637]

Love how you say Karlovac properly.

[@judelarkin2883]

If I were a gun manufacturer I would watch Ian’s video about my gun with a pencil and paper, ✏️“single stack 45 auto”

[@Hwikek]

Wasn’t Steyr in Austria the first company to create a chassis based handgun not Sig Sauer?

[@solomonmarcus5496]

This is a new pistol that went into production in 2023. Whi the heck is it a forgotten weapon??

[@dumbsyndrome-1396]

I’m thinking Jesus is getting ripped. Like damn, he’s gaining more than just firearm history

[@ilovedetails]

Looks really nice. Never purchased one of the Sig Chassis firearms but I may give this HS chassis a spin.

[@VGYugo]

TT33 and all his clones had removable trigger group.

[@dariussilber1128]

Karlovacko makes great beer too 😅

[@user-xj3ve7wt8k]

It's too sweet. Beer for girls. Ožujsko is better. 😉

[@hartsickdisciple]

I don't see why Springfield would want a subcompact version of the Echelon. They don't need that to compete with the P365. The Hellcat already fills that role well.

[@einarhornraiser9019]

Calling the firearms the same thing in the US market they're called in Croatia is a terrific idea. That said, can we all agree that they should quietly just retire the cringe-inducing name "Hellion", and just start calling it the VHS-2 here, as well?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Yes, we can definitely agree on that.

[@user-xj3ve7wt8k]

Maybe there are some rules / laws of license and import / sale in the USA, where it might not have been possible for the civilian version of the rifle to bear the same name as the military version, or maybe the company itself in Croatia does not allow the same name for the civilian version. You never know...

[@jameshealy4594]

@@user-xj3ve7wt8k That seems highly unlikely but even if you are 100% correct, there's certainly no law saying the rifle has to be named by a coked up 14 year-old boy with rage issues.

[@Razor-gx2dq]

@@jameshealy4594 sounds like a Xbox gamer tag

[@TheSultan1470]

@@Razor-gx2dq No

[@ETBOOST-sf3yl]

All variants of Beretta APX have removable chassis system...also IWI Masada..

[@tiarcus]

And overall very similar to the A1

[@pious.techpriest]

Sig was a pioneer with the pistol chassis (except they stole it from Steyr who actually did it first).

[@Simon_Hawkshaw]

Thanks so much for sharing this with us all.

[@johndaniels1197]

The more FCU chassis guns we see on the market, the better. The next obvious question should be, "How easy is it to make the little stamped metal part with the only serial number that matters, at home?" I'm less interested in how the company will support this product concept, than how it'll be supported by the decentralized global network of individuals with Fusion 360 and 3D printers.

[@Mr.Z1989]

Thats a really neat looking gun!

[@lanesworld4000]

Great pistol. They have a little CZ flavor in the grip. Great ergonomics ❤

[@TheBetterManInBlack]

Damn! Full court press on this thing. ERREBODY doing videos on it!

[@McMannis85]

Wouldn’t it be more likely that instead of designing an entirely new subcompact chassis that HS Produkt would just redesign the Hellcat to be modular? I’d think the US aftermarket would be more apt to make subcompact chassis’ for it rather than HS and Springfield competing against themselves in that market since Springfield/HS already have a direct competitor to the P365 right?

[@37thgungrunts]

8:09 I bet it has nothing to do with HS Produkt. I bet its springfield getting in trouble with the ATF for not clearly marking the make.

[@shaiq-nbaiq1826]

My old XD9 that I bought in like 2010 has the HS Produkt Karlovac stamp included with Springfield Armory like you pointed out. Was that something that was changed later on?

[@backpackryan6228]

I'm waiting for the inevitable pictures of one of these with a custom GRIP ZONE worked in with a soldering iron for the lulz.