Czech vz. 52/57: The SKS We Have At Home

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We don't need the SKS, we have gun designers at home! In the early days of the Cold War, the Czechoslovak communist party was on very good terms with Josef Stalin, and were able to design and use their own small arms. A whole new slate of small arms were developed in the early 1950s, with a rifle, pistol, and light machine gun all adopted in 1952 as vz. (model) 52. The rifle used a short-stroke annular type gas piston that was located around the barrel. It was chambered for a proprietary Czech 7.62x45mm cartridge, as was the vz.52 light machine gun.
When Stalin died in 1953, the new leaders of the USSR were much less tolerant of Czech small arms independence. They allowed the country to continue to use non-standard arms, but required them to convert to the 7.62x39mm cartridge. This led to the vz.52/57 rifle, which went into production in 1957 and ceased production in September 1959, replaced by the vz.58. The only substantial change to the 52/57 was the chamber, and a slightly adapted magazine with a spacer in the front to better fit the shorter 39mm cartridge. The 52/57 magazines are recognizable by their flat floor plate, where the vz.52 magazine has an upward bend at the front of the floor plate.
A total of 99,475 vz.52/57 rifles were made, all at the CZ Uhersky Brod factory. Original vz.52 rifles were not converted to the 7.62x39mm pattern; they were all left intact. Both vz.52 and 52/57 rifles were distributed widely as military aid after the adoption of the vz.58. Many of them went to Cuba, and thence to many other places in central and south America.
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@ericmoney4572
@ericmoney4572 10 ай бұрын
*Launches recoil spring and top cover* "Should we retake?" Ian "No, they need to know. They need to see."
@beargillium2369
@beargillium2369 10 ай бұрын
🤓
@AshleyPomeroy
@AshleyPomeroy 10 ай бұрын
Imagine if it had happened during the early days of the channel, on Ian's first visit to a proper government armoury - the cringe factor would have been excruciating.
@ericmoney4572
@ericmoney4572 10 ай бұрын
@AshleyPomeroy whole face tense up kinda cringe, lol. 😆 I'm glad the channel took off as well as it did. I hate that I'm not able to afford to keep up with it now that KZbin has put a thumb on their necks. Being cut off because I can't afford it really sucks.
@williamsullivan9401
@williamsullivan9401 10 ай бұрын
With all of the stuff Ian takes apart, I would love to see a blooper reel. The top cover flying off is typical of real life.
@Operator8282
@Operator8282 10 ай бұрын
I had a friend that had a tooth chipped taking apart my M-31 Suomi, but damned if it wasn't one of the most hilarious things I've ever witnessed.
@williamsullivan9401
@williamsullivan9401 10 ай бұрын
@@Operator8282 And then there is all the time spent crawling around on a floor looking for a spring or detent ball.
@carolwilson5348
@carolwilson5348 10 ай бұрын
I was sitting in my Mazda pickup one day at a make shift range attempting to field strip my newly aquired Astra 400 pistol before I knew how. I got a big crack in my windshield, but found the part. Drove that truck for over 20 years that way. One day a cop stopped me for expired plates and asked me if the crack interfered with my vision, I said no. Got a ticket for the expired tag, but sent me on my way.
@Kevin-mx1vi
@Kevin-mx1vi 10 ай бұрын
Needed a distant "Aaaaarrgh !" for comic effect. 😊
@williamsullivan9401
@williamsullivan9401 10 ай бұрын
@@Kevin-mx1vi I think it was edited out.
@jazzmaster909
@jazzmaster909 10 ай бұрын
ahh yes the VZ-52. not to be confused with the VZ-52 and ...the VZ-52
@kolomaznik333
@kolomaznik333 10 ай бұрын
Yes, but there are long oficial names that takes away most of the confusion and joke-ability.
@greycatturtle7132
@greycatturtle7132 10 ай бұрын
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
@hoppinggnomethe4154
@hoppinggnomethe4154 10 ай бұрын
Just like the Type 56 that must not be confused with the Type 56, the Type 56, and the Type 56 😂😂😂
@StormDragon771
@StormDragon771 10 ай бұрын
Don't forget the VZ-52 😂
@robamarcia
@robamarcia 10 ай бұрын
exactly like the m1, the other m1, the big m1 and the m1
@enricopaolocoronado2511
@enricopaolocoronado2511 10 ай бұрын
I like the groove in the fore-end that allows the bayonet to fold into. No specific reason, I just like how the bayonet just fits into the fore-end like that.
@stanislavczebinski994
@stanislavczebinski994 10 ай бұрын
It's a very elegant solution. It folds away nicely and it sits right in the middle of the rifle when unfolded. The mechanism seems to be simple and reliable, too.
@anaxis
@anaxis 10 ай бұрын
It tickles my autism just right lol.
@malkomalkavian
@malkomalkavian 10 ай бұрын
It's a nice looking system
@stormsedgeV
@stormsedgeV 10 ай бұрын
Its super neat (=
@davefellhoelter1343
@davefellhoelter1343 10 ай бұрын
I dig the Gray Finish with the bead blast look! and just rough Enough Finish to be a GREAT TOOL!
@hungryburger1170
@hungryburger1170 10 ай бұрын
unlike the things mom says we have at home, this is actually good
@vladimirkonrad6026
@vladimirkonrad6026 10 ай бұрын
Fun fact, this gun is still in use by Presidental guard units for ceremonial occasions.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 10 ай бұрын
Sort of - the guards actually have a slightly different model specifically for ceremonial duties. I need to do a video on it...
@Duwurf
@Duwurf 10 ай бұрын
@ForgottenWeapons A shop here in town refurbishes them for the guards. I snapped some pictures when I was there having a front sight replaced.
@mrkeogh
@mrkeogh 10 ай бұрын
I think I have pictures of the guards at Prague Castle with these rifles with a polished (or nickel-plated?) finish. I'm pretty sure the Police Museum and the excellent new Army Museum Zizkov have examples of them, too. P.S. the collection at Zizkov is very impressive, with lots of CZ prototypes 👍🏻
@ES1976-3
@ES1976-3 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for saying something… I remember seeing the guards about 10 years ago and very confused as to what they were carrying.
@PavelNygryn
@PavelNygryn 10 ай бұрын
These guns are actually non-functional, because ceremonial handling requires movements, hits and positions that are not safe for most weapons. Or for crowds around. But there are always some guys with Brens nearby...
@flektra175
@flektra175 10 ай бұрын
That's quite a nifty out-of-battery safety mechanism, shifting the cartridge out of alignment with the firing pin while the action is unlocked.
@MrPanzerDragoon
@MrPanzerDragoon 10 ай бұрын
I have to say, that bayonet placement is pretty slick! The Czechs sure know to how to compartmentalize things!
@parrotraiser6541
@parrotraiser6541 10 ай бұрын
To be strictly pedantic, the spring that launched the top cover across the room was under compression, not tension. Still, an understandable confusion if it's just hurled a piece of metal at one.
@HumanityisEmbarrassing
@HumanityisEmbarrassing 10 ай бұрын
Ah, strictly pedantic. That's the best kind of pedantry...
@JD-tn5lz
@JD-tn5lz 10 ай бұрын
Yes, if you're going to be pedantic, you Better Be Strict about it.
@zell9058
@zell9058 10 ай бұрын
Unintentional Czech puns, Nose booping, Spring sproinging disassembly. Good stuff
@oldesertguy9616
@oldesertguy9616 10 ай бұрын
That has to be the nicest folding bayonet I've ever seen.
@alexsweet8585
@alexsweet8585 10 ай бұрын
In watching your videos over the years, I think that's the biggest "Whoops" I've seen. That's a great track record!
@rednecktek2873
@rednecktek2873 10 ай бұрын
VZ-52: "Man, what a short service life. I feel miserable." EM-2: "I feel ya man... "
@Mirage5892
@Mirage5892 10 ай бұрын
Hit the early gang for a change. Love learning about czech firearms
@sleepingbee8997
@sleepingbee8997 10 ай бұрын
Did not think you could make an SKS look more appealing, but I’m sold! Wishing I had one now.
@someguy5444
@someguy5444 10 ай бұрын
The ammo for these doesn't exist in bulk anywhere near America 😅
@jb8086
@jb8086 10 ай бұрын
For this model it’s everywhere, 52/57.
@kutter_ttl6786
@kutter_ttl6786 10 ай бұрын
​​@@someguy5444This uses the 7.62x39mm Soviet round, Cabela's always seems to have crates of it for sale.
@almaadams3631
@almaadams3631 10 ай бұрын
Expect 2 to 3 grand. The 52 is fairly easy to find. There is a chamber adapter, don't bother, it sucks ( 762×45 to 762x39)
@almaadams3631
@almaadams3631 10 ай бұрын
Nice to see the evolution to the vz58. ( better than an AK........come on haters!)
@vchalmel
@vchalmel 10 ай бұрын
To be fair the VZ. 58 also might be the "SKS We have at Home"... An SKS that didn't skip leg days and could go toe to toe with the AK, but pretty much an SKS action nonetheless.
@RedXlV
@RedXlV 10 ай бұрын
Kind of like "what if those SKS conversions to 30 round box mags were actually good?"
@bruceinoz8002
@bruceinoz8002 10 ай бұрын
The VZ 52 and 52/57 have features "borrowed" from other weapons. The trigger mech is like an over-built, but slightly shrunken, M1 rifle trigger mech, the gas system closely resembles the MKb 42(W), the magazine is a scaled-down G-43 box. The VZ 58 lock-up is more like an up-scaled Walther P-38 with a separate "locking piece". Supposedly, these locking pieces were made in a few different sizes, not unlike the "head-space adjusting" bolt-heads for the Brit. No4 rifle. Then, there is the "linear striker"; just because.... Aluminum, mags that are designed to work with a proper "hold-open" catch. And finished in a grey "epoxy" paint that was a nice change from "basic black". See also: the nifty furniture made from basically "log chips in a phenolic resin at the same time Eugene stoner was designing stuff with glass-fibre and polyester resins. The Czech stuff is well made and all interesting.
@michaelblacktree
@michaelblacktree 10 ай бұрын
The gas system is interesting. Reminds me of a semi-auto shotgun.
@jalpat2272
@jalpat2272 10 ай бұрын
Benelli ?
@Darren_Xero
@Darren_Xero 10 ай бұрын
I miss the time I saw the Prague Castle Guards carried those ceremonial rifles in their patrol duty 13 years ago
@ZombieWilfred
@ZombieWilfred 10 ай бұрын
Gotta love czechnology... I love my VZ 58, one of my favorite rifles.
@geraldmaybebaby1585
@geraldmaybebaby1585 10 ай бұрын
The gas recoil layout is marvellous.
@TheGrendelbane
@TheGrendelbane 10 ай бұрын
While the two cartridges are similar, my unscientific test of firing both into a muddy bank shows quite a bit more mud splashed by the 7.62x45. Might not make for a lot higher performance, but it is definitely more powerful.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 10 ай бұрын
Stick around for tomorrow's video :)
@kbjerke
@kbjerke 10 ай бұрын
I have one of these, in unfired, pristine condition. Beautiful workmanship! Thanks for the video, Ian!
@DH-xw6jp
@DH-xw6jp 10 ай бұрын
I'll give you a dollar for it.
@kbjerke
@kbjerke 10 ай бұрын
@@DH-xw6jp LOL A *LOT* of people would!
@Tony-om5kr
@Tony-om5kr 10 ай бұрын
I got one of these too, but in VG condition, purchased from my nephew. He also managed to snag two magazines w/pouches at a gun show for me; a lucky find! It's somewhat of an oddball rifle, but I found it to be innovative.
@kbjerke
@kbjerke 10 ай бұрын
@@Tony-om5kr Good for you! It's a very interesting firearm, and I probably *will* take mine to the range someday. Stay well!
@ablysmal
@ablysmal 10 ай бұрын
what is a good price for a functioning but non-numbers matching example for one of these?
@oxi8403
@oxi8403 10 ай бұрын
it even has a garand ping
@Hombremaniac
@Hombremaniac 10 ай бұрын
Glad you guys are liking our Czech weapons, both old and new. Sometimes it feels like our weapons are more appreciated in the west than at home, which is kinda crazy.
@hanisk2
@hanisk2 10 ай бұрын
Many great inventions aren’t thought of so highly once a nation “becomes good” at designing arms. After awhile it’s like we’ll of course it’s good, it’s Czech
@thewhiskerwhacker7510
@thewhiskerwhacker7510 10 ай бұрын
Huge fan of the vz. 58. Far superior to the AK platform in weight, reliability, and accuracy while still looking very much like an AK.
@sappypngn
@sappypngn 9 ай бұрын
Czechs make some of the raddest stuff. I love my VZ58.
@bigbadjohnpesek9894
@bigbadjohnpesek9894 11 күн бұрын
I got my vz58 and i would put it up against my saiga Ak any day.
@Slingshotgixxer
@Slingshotgixxer 10 ай бұрын
Just recently acquired one of these for my collection, absolutely love it , its heavy compared to the sks but its beautifully made and a fun shooter
@VegasCyclingFreak
@VegasCyclingFreak 10 ай бұрын
7:57 ha ha I got a good laugh out of that top cover going flying. A soldier in the field probably wouldn't be amused by that. That bayonet arrangement is very interesting... haven't seen that before.
@Chlorate299
@Chlorate299 10 ай бұрын
Annular gas pistons are neat but I can see why they're not that popular. Smells like one of those "making it complicated for the sake of making it simple" ideas.
@thenathanr4243
@thenathanr4243 10 ай бұрын
Weight savings?
@davidcolter
@davidcolter 10 ай бұрын
It means the forces are in line with the barrel, unlike on other conventional piston guns like the AK where the forces are above the barrel, and so the barrel is bent downwards by firing the gun (see Larry Vickers slo-mo of AKs firing). The AR-15 gas system is another way to do this, with the gas expansion happening behind the bolt.
@Chlorate299
@Chlorate299 10 ай бұрын
@@thenathanr4243 With my engineering hat on it means that the manufacturing of the barrel is simpler - you don't need to attach the gas piston assembly to the side of the gun, so no welding/brazing/whatever, and the timing of the gas port is entirely arbitrary so you can cut the gas port before it's breached up to the receiver without worrying where the port is with respect to the barrel threads. And since you're using the barrel as a bearing surface for the gas piston to ride on, there's no need to worry about the alignment of the gas system, since the tolerance stack has been effectively eliminated. However it makes the individual components of the gas system much more complex, physically larger and harder to package, and as you rightly guessed heavier. There might even be inherent reliability issues too with debris fouling in the larger piston being difficult to clean. To my eyes it's a neater solution but unless there's added benefits of having more reciprocating mass in the system (and I don't expect there is), then you're simply trading complexty for _different_ complexity - and given that the industry seems to prefer the parallel-axis gas system, the issues the annular system is trying to avoid are evidently not issues anymore.
@At_the_Bottom
@At_the_Bottom 10 ай бұрын
Had a chance to buy a vz52 last year but passed on it cuz the x45 ammo is exceedingly difficult to find=-[ Had it been one of these 52/57's I woulda been all over it! A wonderful presentation of a wonderful weapon, one of my grail guns. Thanks , Ian!
@michaelmacek9433
@michaelmacek9433 10 ай бұрын
There was a time when the vz52 rifles were coming on the market where someone was offering a steel sleeve that could be glued into the 7.62x45 chamber using loctite and with that adapter in place, the 7.62x39 m43 round could be fired in the vz52. It was essentially their version of our navy sleeve that was used to convert M1 Garand rifles to 7.62 NATO.
@Natedawgontheright
@Natedawgontheright 10 ай бұрын
i like the bayonet deployment, and storage. pretty unique .
@MishacoOBA
@MishacoOBA 10 ай бұрын
Awh yes, the Vz.52/57 return spring during disassembly...how do you think I ended up blind?
@themeatpopsicle
@themeatpopsicle 10 ай бұрын
As far as I understand it, from those I know with Czech heritage: Czechoslovakian (when they were one nation) Czech (current Czechia) Slovak (current Slovakia)
@the_senate8050
@the_senate8050 10 ай бұрын
I've always used Czechoslovak, so that it matches with the modern Slovak.
@kolomaznik333
@kolomaznik333 10 ай бұрын
This anglophone custom to say that country = nation and nation = country is quite weird. But there are different. Czechoslovakia = country Czechs = nation (Czech is adjective for people or things connected with country, languague or culture. It is not name of country) Slovaks = other nation. (Slovak is also adjective...) Because both were nations before 1992/1993 split.
@stephenbond1990
@stephenbond1990 10 ай бұрын
I've been waiting for this video for a couple of years now and I'm not disappointed, thanks again for great content.
@rafalganowicz1939
@rafalganowicz1939 10 ай бұрын
I have too.
@Operator8282
@Operator8282 10 ай бұрын
I hope you don't take offense, but I laughed hard enough to wake my wife up when that rear cover flew across the room. I must also state that I am in a different part of the house.
@buddytesla
@buddytesla 10 ай бұрын
I was hoping that Ian would mention that there are chamber inserts for VZ 52’s that allow them to fire 7.62x39 rounds. However this (along with changing the markings) has enabled unscrupulous people to pass these rifles off as the more valuable VZ 52/57’s. Look closely before you buy one.
@hoilst265
@hoilst265 10 ай бұрын
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I SAW SOMETHING GO SPROINGING OFF ON IAN! This made my day.
@sharonrigs7999
@sharonrigs7999 10 ай бұрын
I love my 52/57! It beats the hell out of the SKS IMHO. I found the anular gas system very interesting. It was a good stop gap until the excellent Vz58 came out
@Razgriz85
@Razgriz85 10 ай бұрын
I remember the vz. 52 in the Red Oktober 2 gun match on the InRangtv channel, and how it broke during the match.
@GarGhuul
@GarGhuul 10 ай бұрын
Of all the times we are warned by Ian that a spring will go flying across the room, and doesn’t… we aren’t warned and it does.
@hades1788
@hades1788 10 ай бұрын
SPROOOIIIING!!!!!! (Top cover flies across the room)
@simonwinnik6655
@simonwinnik6655 10 ай бұрын
14:00 The Warsaw bloc countries did not pay any royalties or license fees to the USSR.
@JollyRollyOnBeer
@JollyRollyOnBeer 10 ай бұрын
...and then you ca.... *metallic sounds of bouncing across the room* XDD That just about made my evening.... Thank you Ian for leaving that in the original release
@ripvanwinkle2002
@ripvanwinkle2002 10 ай бұрын
always wanted one always kicked myself for ignoring them on the surplus market when i had the chance..
@someguy325es
@someguy325es 10 ай бұрын
Pretty sure the SKS is the VZ 52 we have at home
@davidcoleman4941
@davidcoleman4941 10 ай бұрын
The CZ600 series of rifles uses the same ejection bolt design, CZ makes superior rifles still to this day
@DustyGamma
@DustyGamma 10 ай бұрын
7:59 Ah yes, the 52/57 ping. Not as common as the Garand ping.
@dembro27
@dembro27 10 ай бұрын
Great timing! I just saw the Elbonian paratrooper vid with a gun based on the VZ-52.
@E-JCARDS
@E-JCARDS 10 ай бұрын
There is also a vz 52 85mm artillery gun
@ShootAUT
@ShootAUT 10 ай бұрын
... and a pistol, and a machine gun. 😁
@stephens2241
@stephens2241 10 ай бұрын
Anyone else remember when Karl ran one of these in a match and it was... eventful
@JD-tn5lz
@JD-tn5lz 10 ай бұрын
Karl has gone so far off the Rez.
@Mrgunsngear
@Mrgunsngear 10 ай бұрын
🍿
@FRIEND_711
@FRIEND_711 10 ай бұрын
I honestly think this rifle looks better then the SKS. The SKS just looks like an AK trying to be a ww2 era semiautomatic rifle, while this one looks more unique.
@Radbot776
@Radbot776 10 ай бұрын
The sks is a ww2 rifle They were designing it in 1943 The bigger version the ptrs was built in 1941
@zdenekprisovsky2783
@zdenekprisovsky2783 10 ай бұрын
Except, the SKS is far more robust and more practical. I own both so I can compare them. See my remark above.
@DokDo1995
@DokDo1995 10 ай бұрын
That flying top cover made my day...😂
@loupiscanis9449
@loupiscanis9449 10 ай бұрын
Thank you , Ian . 🐺 Loupis Canis .
@schiltronmunitions3820
@schiltronmunitions3820 10 ай бұрын
Lmao...I legit spit out my water when the top cover went flying 😂
@JerryEricsson
@JerryEricsson 10 ай бұрын
I have always had a thing for used military surplus guns. Dad had a No1 #3 that he used for deer hunting, it have never been touched by a sportorizer, and looked to me like a lot of gun to carry into the field compared to todays sporters. Dad also had a bayonet from a German Mauser that he used to "stick" hogs when butchering, it lay on a shelf in the entry of our house. I used to take the blade down and look at it, then wonder if it was ever used to kill a soldier, the same thoughts also came to me when dad had me learn to shoot with the old .303. Over the years I have owned a lot of surplus military guns, the same thoughts came to me when I used them. Now days all I have are just copies, like my M1911A1 that has never seen a days service and dad's old Remington Target-master .22LR rifle that he used to take deer out of season when we were hungry and didn't have the funds for grocery.
@georgeking3218
@georgeking3218 10 ай бұрын
Not all of the VZ 52's were made by the "she' factory. Years ago I had one made by a different factory. It was years ago, so I don't remember the specific 3 letter code. But it definitely wasn't "she". Found out after I got rid of it. That it was considered quite rare, and sought after by collectors. Because it's considered somewhat of a low production prototype. To the much more common ones made by the "she" factory.
@ukaszwalczak1154
@ukaszwalczak1154 10 ай бұрын
Fun fact: There's a Vz.52/58 on polarms.
@TotalRookie_LV
@TotalRookie_LV 10 ай бұрын
7% mass and 5% speed increase, but energy is a function of square of velocity, thus it 18% (17,9675%) more total energy.
@michaelnault5905
@michaelnault5905 10 ай бұрын
Seeing those impresses on me how simple and robust the SKS is in comparison.
@JohnSmith-yv6eq
@JohnSmith-yv6eq 10 ай бұрын
I wonder if that example had just been to the range...Ian's hands looked a might dirty....😁
@jacknelson8601
@jacknelson8601 10 ай бұрын
It's nice to know that I'm not the only guy who has had to get down on his belly to 'hopefully' find spring launched parts.......
@lancerevell5979
@lancerevell5979 10 ай бұрын
My "Carpet Monster" has eaten a few parts. 😂
@MiggisOaktree
@MiggisOaktree 10 ай бұрын
Nice to see, that you included the cover "whoopsie", although considered "biblical being". All those times you mentioned to be careful with some parts.
@454FatJack
@454FatJack 10 ай бұрын
My favoite semi auto rifle ❤
@tigerman3
@tigerman3 10 ай бұрын
I was waiting for the "D'OH!" after the spring-loaded top cover crash...
@phileas007
@phileas007 10 ай бұрын
I think you're supposed to disconnect the recoil spring from the cover before taking it off, kinda like on the SVT
@davefellhoelter1343
@davefellhoelter1343 10 ай бұрын
"I Noticed" for an Eastern Martial Arm of these years? It LOOKS VERY Well Put Togather! Well stamped,, machined Well where it needs it, Nice finish, Decent Wood! Good Design. FYI Your "FEARLESS!" Abilities to Diss or Re Asemble ANY Martial, Civil, Odd, Un Know Mechanical System of ANY SIZE! Duly NOTED and RESPECTED! The sound of spring tension and mechanics Flying ARE BADGES of HONER! and "Why I" Respect this Fearlessness!
@djscrews
@djscrews 10 ай бұрын
Very cool. I have a 52 rifle and a 52 pistol. Love them both! I've had to collect the dust cover and recoil spring from across the room a few times.
@ixiairisborne1695
@ixiairisborne1695 6 ай бұрын
Back when I was in my "wood guns are better guns" phase, I very seriously considered getting a vz.52 rifle. But, I'd had enough "oddball" cartridges, by that point, that I could see myself having to get really intensive about managing my fired brass, especially since I frequented an unmanned range that had a brass poacher living nearby. I wish I'd known about the vz.52/57 back then.
@andrewstickley6681
@andrewstickley6681 10 ай бұрын
The “Soviets forced all the Warsaw pact countries to adopt the AK/SKS” is fuddlore. They did indeed force the ammunition standardization, but all of the Warsaw pact countries could and did develop their own small arms, artillery, armored vehicles, and other equipment. Most of them went with the AK because not only was it ready off-the-shelf, but the Soviets readily supplied assistance setting up production. East Germany trialed it’s own NDR against the Vz.58 and AK, but the AK won out. Poland adopted the PM-63, P-64 and P-83. Hungarian had it’s PA-63s, etc. Czechoslovakia already had experienced gun designers and factories. The other Warsaw Pact countries (except the DDR) found it more economical to simply adopt soviet designs for principle small arms (Rifles, MGs)
@Enraged-Gecko
@Enraged-Gecko 9 ай бұрын
A 7.62x45mm RPD or something of a similar nature would have been a fantastic companion LMG to the AKM and Vz. 58. Unfortunately, the 7.62x45mm is too powerful to be suitable for use as an select-fire infantry rifle and isn’t powerful enough for use in a designated marksman rifle. A light machinegun would most likely have sufficient mass to tame the increased recoil, but it’s not a very versatile cartridge.
@kevinvaughan5671
@kevinvaughan5671 2 ай бұрын
Have a 52 in 7.62x45. Are they worth more than the 52/57?? Do you know if there is a good appraiser for these around the st Louis area?? Most people don't know what they are.
@oddball_the_blue
@oddball_the_blue 10 ай бұрын
8:00 - been a while since I laughed so hard at a forgotten weapons vid.
@monta247
@monta247 10 ай бұрын
Laugh at what, this is a solid, smooth shooting, and more powerful than a SKS or a 223
@MarvinCZ
@MarvinCZ 10 ай бұрын
@@monta247 If you look at that timestamp, they're laughing at the top cover launching across the room. Don't be so touchy.
@viru52000
@viru52000 10 ай бұрын
Think that might be the largest extractor I've ever seen. Don't think that gun would have problems with extraction.
@exuberance3973
@exuberance3973 10 ай бұрын
Not to be confused with the VZ52 9mm Pistol, or the VZ52/57 ZB26 Copy or the other VZ52 Battle Rifle….
@ondrejzeman3899
@ondrejzeman3899 10 ай бұрын
Actually the reason for own designes and proprietary catridges was not any friendliness of Stalin. Czechoslovak komunists were always soviet a-hs and wanted everything russian. But soviets seemed not to be yet determined if they should really pass their jewels to newly captured countries. And also czechoslovak arms industry turned out to be a golden egg allowing to get western currencies. It wasnt till 1955, when an order was placed for SKS,AK and DRP license, but than it was cancelled soon after. Oficially a full standardisation on soviet equipment was postponed till 1961 (just six years). But it didn't started even than. All decisions of czechoslovak comunist government were strongly influenced by soviet advisors. So it rather seems that Moscow was not sure what to do, Czechoslovakia was one of the most western-like countries full of suspicious intelectuals... Even it seems crazy, but there was no examples of AK nor amo easily available to anyone in Czechoslovakia at that time. It was not even easy to get necessary information about 7.62/39 after at least amo unification was oficially decided. This situation rpeated with 5.45 amo - development of czech rifle had to start without any information, some examples of cartridge were obtained in very crazy ways.
@subzerogrizzly6446
@subzerogrizzly6446 10 ай бұрын
Found one of these in my grandpas safe while doing an inventory after he passed. Had to do my own research since there isnt many videos on it. Appreciate the content Ian!
@capt.bart.roberts4975
@capt.bart.roberts4975 10 ай бұрын
Being a Brit, we have an urge to stick nasty pointy things on sidearms. However, forever wedding your bayonet to your gun, stops it's use as an ad hoc tin opener.
@3of11
@3of11 10 ай бұрын
You've heard M1 ping, now we have vz52/57 ping!
@Jay22222
@Jay22222 10 ай бұрын
7:59 “And then you can... Send it springin’ sproingin’ straight across the room and into your overly observant buddies eye” “Man I told you I don’t like people watching while I work”
@nunyabidniz2868
@nunyabidniz2868 10 ай бұрын
Sorry, but I see "VZ52 rifle" and I immediately flash-back to the IRtv dumpster fire... 🤣
@acme_tnt8741
@acme_tnt8741 9 ай бұрын
The clicks and clanks of disassembly and reassembly sound Czech, more of of a close tolerant ting from hardened and tempered parts as opposed to an SKS which although machined are sloppy AF.
@CondavourTalksGuns
@CondavourTalksGuns 10 ай бұрын
The best way I've found to avoid the "dust cover explosion" is to push the cover all the way forward, lift slightly up then ease it back so the spring guide doesn't fall into its hole, but next to it. Since the dust cover has that little cutout, you can then lift it off, grab the spring/retaining rod and control its removal. Great video Ian!
@hardinhp
@hardinhp 10 ай бұрын
im a huge gun geek but ive never ever heard of the caliber 7.62x45mm like why did they do that when they where in the commie block and could get cheap 7.62x39mm or 54r
@JozefLucifugeKorzeniowski
@JozefLucifugeKorzeniowski 4 ай бұрын
i like how many of the westernmost soviet sattelites either devised better weapons than the russians and/or the quality of manufacture was leagues above what russia was even capable of. specifically i know this is a similar story for romania, poland, and the czech republic. it really illustrates the kind of power russia has historically had. they werent powerful because of any brilliance, strong ethos, or professional rigor. they were strong only because of numbers of pliant gormless citizenry inside their borders.
@ianjardine7324
@ianjardine7324 10 ай бұрын
For such an old weapon the fit and finish on the parts seem incredible no wonder the Czechs didn't want some of the dodgy early 50s Soviet garbage. Frankly if the Russians had been a little less paranoid and controlling the entire red army would have been better equipped with Czech and Ukrainian made equipment.
@VickyHong1879
@VickyHong1879 8 ай бұрын
TIL 7.62x39 fits in the 7.62x45 magazine, this is great information for that one Fallout 4 VZ52 mod where I can create an addon that rechambers it to 7.62x39 DLC ammo for extra immersion
@TheWalterKurtz
@TheWalterKurtz 10 ай бұрын
The elegance of design and quality of construction tell me the Czechs weren't "really communist".
@monta247
@monta247 3 ай бұрын
0:40 This is supposed to a site for guns and men. this guy who has more gun experience and expertise than 80% of this audience .go Make one small jesture and you respond like little girls at a tea party. We need the draft reinstalled.
@sarath431
@sarath431 10 ай бұрын
So the gas piston is kinda wrapped around the barrel? That's really interesting
@HypocriticYT
@HypocriticYT 10 ай бұрын
Vz52/75 sells for about three times more than the Vz52 most likely due to ammunition availability.
@not-fishing4730
@not-fishing4730 10 ай бұрын
OK so is there a Desert Brutality in the future or even a shooting review? Does it shoot better with the bayonet out or folded?
@robertdeen8741
@robertdeen8741 10 ай бұрын
To me, it looks nicely made. Compared to almost anything ivan built so crudely, it's a Dussy.
@hanisk2
@hanisk2 10 ай бұрын
Launches recoil spring, casually continues like any of us would lol, it’s not a sign of inexperience some of these springs and bolts genuinely know how to evade capture
@dcraft1234
@dcraft1234 10 ай бұрын
Wow I've been waiting for this one! My dad bought one in the 90s.
@nicfraipont4184
@nicfraipont4184 10 ай бұрын
Nice piece of kit but I don't like the finish on the stock. It looks like a garden shed rebuild on a cheap old air rifle. It's a bloody lovely thing though.
@poormiserablesinner4600
@poormiserablesinner4600 10 ай бұрын
I would bid aggressive on this. But, unfortunately I live in Illinois. We have a state government that gives the middle finger to the constitution.
@kevinsmith9726
@kevinsmith9726 10 ай бұрын
What a nice looking rifle.
@bitronic1
@bitronic1 10 ай бұрын
M1 Garand: Ping! VZ. 52/57: Hold my pilsner! ( 7:57 )
@monta247
@monta247 3 ай бұрын
Neither the sks nor the ak has any thing on the vz52 as far as accuracy and power....it shoots a lot smoother than both.
@ryanSLF
@ryanSLF 10 ай бұрын
The SKS we have at home 😂
@Hothenrik
@Hothenrik 10 ай бұрын
That Vz52 magazine doesn't look right.....🤨
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