These guns simultaneously look like they are from the trenches and from space.
@vladcrow422511 ай бұрын
...In other words - from france.
@Juan_Dominguez11 ай бұрын
Right?
@TheLittlemonster33311 ай бұрын
Imperial guard level
@gohunt001-511 ай бұрын
A perfect Star Wars prop gun!
@adriaanvanwyk66211 ай бұрын
@@TheLittlemonster333 Krieg Guardsman: Happy Gasmask noises
@xboxhomie411 ай бұрын
French Prototype SMG? Ian’s heart is fluttering in his chest
@alphapapapapa634111 ай бұрын
No wonder he's sitting down....
@godemperorofmemes99211 ай бұрын
His hands are clearly sweating. When the camera cuts off and the curators leave the room, he whispers sweet nothings to the gun in French and delicately strokes the magazine-well.
@_marlene11 ай бұрын
so is mine! these guns are SO cool, they should appear more in media!
@kriegguardsman911711 ай бұрын
Imagine his joy when he disassembled it and saw it wasn’t put together right.
@garrysekelli677611 ай бұрын
He is a Frenchie at heart.
@awmperry11 ай бұрын
I'm unreasonably pleased to hear Ian say "full dakka". 🤣
@wbravenboer11 ай бұрын
Red ones go faster!
@TheCoyote80811 ай бұрын
CAN NEVA BE FULL DAKKA! DERE'S NEVA ENUFF!
@awmperry11 ай бұрын
@@justforever96 Nope. But always enjoyable.
@timblack288511 ай бұрын
Ian is an Ork in disguise. This confirms it
@Kahzmat11 ай бұрын
Ian casually fixing a prototype reassembly. Au calme !
@bastienrannou634611 ай бұрын
J’ai pas très bien compris ce qu’il a réparé, vous pouvez me donnez le codetime ou me dire ce qu’il’a fait?
@johnmurcott127311 ай бұрын
@@bastienrannou6346around 6:20
@johnmurcott127311 ай бұрын
6:00 sorry
@bastienrannou634611 ай бұрын
@@johnmurcott1273 thank you.
@kriegguardsman911711 ай бұрын
Probably made his week
@gilgamecha11 ай бұрын
Ian wandering into museums and fixing stuff he finds there. 😂
@ForgottenWeapons11 ай бұрын
Not the first time or place it's happened! :)
@amendable540111 ай бұрын
@@ForgottenWeapons I’ve been wondering if there’s a video or known lore available about how Ian came to be? My guess is a love of guns, history, and a degree in mechanical engineering? Mixed with a great teacher’s love of the subject, as well as a humble genuine likability. Whatever it is it’s a spectacular combination. Thank you for all you do Ian and Forgotten Weapons staff.
@SoupieGuitar11 ай бұрын
@@amendable5401the final form of Ian we see now is the result of many failed prototypes
@oldscratch353511 ай бұрын
@@amendable5401 I vaguely remember a video long ago where he talked about how he got into doing this. Couldn't tell you what video or when though. And I may just be imagining the whole thing. I realize that's about as helpful as a screen door on a submarine. Sorry.
@amendable540111 ай бұрын
@@oldscratch3535 Haha. Very much appreciate the efforts though. Thank you.
@jazzmaster90911 ай бұрын
its a Prototype firearm AND ITS FRENCH! this is gonna be a good video
@-Jester11 ай бұрын
It's basically a guarantee it's gonna be some weird shit
@Rhynome11 ай бұрын
"Pierre, where's all the absinthe gone?"
@clothar2311 ай бұрын
@@Rhynome Into the C4 model obviously.
@TheApocalypseShovel11 ай бұрын
When he starts with "...with their gracious permission", I immediately thought of Ian secretly breaking in to the armory to give us the breakdown of interesting firearms
@SuperFunkmachine11 ай бұрын
Thats the lock picking lawyer crossover.
@clothar2311 ай бұрын
@@SuperFunkmachine" Click on one , two's binding, three's set , back to one...and we're in...Ian will now take over.."
@Ian-ot7up11 ай бұрын
@@clothar23 "Welcome to Forgotten Weapons - My name is Ian McCullum and we need to be *really quiet today*.
@cherenkov_blue11 ай бұрын
Really aesthetically pleasing gun honestly. A cross between an HK roller delay gun and a MAS38.
@ericmitchell98511 ай бұрын
I love delayed blowback smgs. The designs just scale so much better for pistol cartridges.
@drdoom-skull224411 ай бұрын
The road to the MAT 49 saw many interesting prototypes. Also, it is interesting how the different state arsenals developed different takes on the same set of specifications. Pity we lost the small firearms industry (except for PGM and Chapuis).
@kennyroberson572611 ай бұрын
Honestly I always thought the MAT 49 looked like *it* would have been a prototype that never saw field use but here we are lol
@AllAboutSurvival11 ай бұрын
The complexity of the action system is a reminder of the trade-offs in firearm design, but it's a testament to the innovation in post-WWII France.
@andersjjensen11 ай бұрын
And let's not forget that the SMG to rule all SMGs, the MP5, is not a simple blowback gun. The guys who worked on this one clearly knew what they were doing. I imagine the recoil impulse on these wouldn't be too far off the sensation the roller delayed system provides. And even as an undying MP5 and G3 fan I must admit that this system looks more gunk resistent.
@TeletubbiesRcute11 ай бұрын
It's really not that complicated
@andersjjensen11 ай бұрын
@@TeletubbiesRcute Obviously not. But it is still more complicated than a one-piece bolt and a spring, as is what is needed for simple blowback.
@lukaszpokoju11 ай бұрын
Looks strangely similar to the Walther MPL which was developed only few years later. Despite the MPL using a much simpler simple blowback system, there are many odd similarities between the two, like the overall shape, grip angle, bolt architecture, charging handle location, the MPL even has a notch on its front sight protector, just like on the front sight post of many French guns of this era. Probably just coincidental. I believe the Walther MPL is in a way, what the MAS 48 could have become, in the event it would have gone through longer development ( removing the complex delayed-blowback system, replacing grip safety/ double trigger selector, by a selector switch, improving the stock design, using stamped steel for the upper and lower receiver).
@ianray882311 ай бұрын
So proud of our man Ian "I've got 4 MAS submachine guns under the table" McCollum
@beter2113711 ай бұрын
Frenchies the moment they get liberated: Alright guys time to get funky *Proceeds to make the weirdest SMGs, planes, tanks.
@baaltaco187611 ай бұрын
On t'aime Ian ! J'espère que t'as bien mangé en France !
@AYellowPepper11 ай бұрын
I really like the look of these guns! They have that perfect 40s-60s "diesel-punk" Scify look!
@tomaspabon248411 ай бұрын
How to ID a french prototype SMG: Step 1: check if it folds Step 2: check the markings
@jsquinlan11 ай бұрын
I’m loving the Red Ryder inspired fitment of the wood buttstock to the receiver.
@mtnbound276411 ай бұрын
that little lever mechanism is pretty genius, its soo cool to see all the different soluitions people have come up with.
@Dunkopf11 ай бұрын
Bless you for releasing this while I can't sleep.
@nannonana11 ай бұрын
It's so cool how Ian knows so much about rare prototype firearms that never really saw any duty.
@jameshall130011 ай бұрын
It's French, so it's understandable. That's kind of his obsession 😂
@scottdoran311211 ай бұрын
...Ian correcting the museum's wrong assembly of their own machine gun; priceless....
@alasdairmackintosh11 ай бұрын
My Grandpa was Canadian born by Breton parents. His family went back to Brittany, France in response to the great depression of the 1930s. In the time before he was old enough to enlist as a soldier for WW2, he and his brothers spied on roads for the French Resistance. He enlisted at 17 for the French Army and served until 1950, deciding to move back to Canada in 1955 and start a family. He would end up having a family of 6 kids. I always wondered what types of fire-arms he might have handled/relied upon and your videos have really helped give me a better idea of that, thank you!
@diogoduarte409711 ай бұрын
These are some long barrels for an SMG. They are pretty interesting, but indeed look rather expensive compared to other SMGs, I'm glad the concept was recycled for assault rifles.
@ozcan_ncy11 ай бұрын
The overall silhouette of the gun somewhat resembles an early mp5 a2 with slim handguards when you squint, I wonder if the bolt extension forward goes all the way in the longer version or ends somewhere around that sling loop.
@flo__6011 ай бұрын
as a french it feels good to know that we have some well advised peoples in the gendarmerie who got in touch with Ian to make these video possible.
@shatterquartz11 ай бұрын
Now that they've let Ian in, I don't think they'll ever manage to get him out.
@cellphone301011 ай бұрын
He's made a nest somewhere in the walls. Just leave him some gun cleaning equipment and occasionally some ammo for the rarer guns and you've now got a free gun fairy.
@Xaevryn11 ай бұрын
I think most museums have learned to keep a little spray bottle full of water handy for when they want Ian to leave
@I_Automate10 ай бұрын
@@Xaevryn They just rattle a box of .32 French outside of the doors and he comes scuttling out
@ordinosaurs11 ай бұрын
14:18 № in French means "numéro", which basically translates to "number". It serves the same purpose as your ubiquitous use of the hash mark "#" in the US.
@romain.lacroix11 ай бұрын
Ian's made me discover my own national treasures. What gorgeous pieces
@psychopathmedia11 ай бұрын
2:13 Looks like an MP5, STG44 and FAL smushed together
@joaoie11 ай бұрын
Me: That doesn't look right for a lever delay is this something really unique? Ian: This is actually assembled wrong. Hard to describe the sheer joy in having called it right.
@JamesLaserpimpWalsh11 ай бұрын
Noyce ! Every now and again you show me something I had never seen or heard of. Thanks Ian. Fine work sir.
@QruisS11 ай бұрын
Reading "Lever Delayed" and instantly being confused as to how that would even work.
@LOVEMUFFIN_official11 ай бұрын
He actually has a series of videos explaining how several of the primary operating systems work, including lever-delayed. It was very helpful, for me at least.
@ankaynavravens11 ай бұрын
Here you go. It is an other over depayed gun brake down by Ian kzbin.info/www/bejne/gIi0d6eIfslra7c&pp=ygUYRm9yZ290dGVuIHdlYXBvbnMga2lyYWx5
@ulvschmidt717411 ай бұрын
Same principle but insted of rolers accelerating the bolt backwards with angled surfaces there is a lever throwing it back
@MsJoao10111 ай бұрын
I don't think there will ever be anyone else with the kind of access to these things like Ian. I'm sure it didn't come over night and that there is a lot of work behind it, thank you...
@some_Russian_dude11 ай бұрын
I love how cool french firearms are.
@mathewweathers278811 ай бұрын
I love that Ian goes to a museum and fixes their stuff.
@cellphone301011 ай бұрын
some archive technician will soon be learning they screwed up and feeling incredibly embarrassed.
@Mr_Dopey11 ай бұрын
The locking surface for the wedge looks like the perfect home for debris.
@raifsevrence11 ай бұрын
These are such cool looking guns. The way the mag well folds up with a mag in place is a very interesting feature. Couple that with the folding stock and you have a fantastically compact package for transportation. Love the operating system too. Shame these never got adopted. Looks like a much better platform than the MAT 49. The MAT 49 seems to have taken the grease gun school of cheap as possible, but still functional design and won out by appealing to the government's wallet. That and I'm betting it weighs several pounds less than these MAS 48's.
@adamkaneshiro9 ай бұрын
i think some manufacturer used a similar concept with a glock pistol where the grip/magwell hinged and made the pistol more compact
@arielgarcia506511 ай бұрын
By looking at the thumbnail of the video I thought it was an underbarrel granade launcher for CETME of G3 rifles
@fratercontenduntocculta816111 ай бұрын
Ever since seeing Ian shoot the MAT-49, I too have fallen for French SMG's. For a country not very well known for guns, France has some incredible small arms!
@clothar2311 ай бұрын
You do realise you're talking about the first country to ever develop and adopt a smokeless powder rifle. Than issue it en masse to their troops. Sure the Lebel was a crap rifle but the French have never been in the background of weapons development .
@User_Un_Friendly11 ай бұрын
Best part of the video is Ian saying "Full Dakka". 19:50 😂
@stumpythedwarf871211 ай бұрын
Thank you Ian, as always. Hopefully they're happy you fixed the gun for them.
@someoneelse449211 ай бұрын
A whole room full of prototype french sub machine guns .. you're practically glowing :)
@parttimememedealer707111 ай бұрын
A gun so niche,obscure and French only Ian could love it
@ChimpOnComputer11 ай бұрын
That thumbnail looked like as if they made it into a pistol or machine pistol like some sorta Mauser rival lol, one can dream.
@gilmour675411 ай бұрын
Very cool video. These are such interesting little guns. I can see how useful it would be to have a loaded smg that can fold up so much
@smalltownrifleman11 ай бұрын
Thank you Ian. I do enjoy your timeline/prototype examinations. Please continue the great work.
@TheFanatical111 ай бұрын
So the lever works both as a safety and as a delaying mechanism? How ingenious.
@STRAKAZulu11 ай бұрын
The MAS-48 reminds me of the weapon that was included with Dusty V.2 from GIJoe.
@bercerus11 ай бұрын
Those would be great as Star wars blaster.
@mustafaabdelwahab147811 ай бұрын
These are so cool, I could see these in Marauders
@psychopathmedia11 ай бұрын
3:06 One of the strangest features of French submachine guns is the collapsible magwell
@clothar2311 ай бұрын
I mean I guess it's one way to transport a loaded weapon...Never approved of adding complexity to a weapon though.
@thomaswashburn351311 ай бұрын
All I could think of during this video was C3PO and C-4 (explosives) 🤷♂️
@johnnyappleseed641511 ай бұрын
Ian says he has more MAS SMG's under the table... Would that be "Blade Runner" style??? If so, where is the Voight-Kampff instrumentation??
@c1ph3rpunk11 ай бұрын
Ian’s in his happy place. But does it come with a lightly browned butter sauce.
@christinepearson578811 ай бұрын
This bolt and spring arrangement reminds me of an MP5 if we used a lever instead of rollers.
@me.ne.frego.11 ай бұрын
The long barrel version would be awesome in .30 Carbine.
@notadorf11 ай бұрын
a somewhat similar prototype in .30 carbine did exist except it's roller delayed, it's called the ceam modele 1950, notice how this gun has a similar look to an hk g3 because it was "co-developped" by captured german engineers after the second world war. it was a whole branch of research on delayed blow-back mecanism.
@notadorf11 ай бұрын
if you want a video on the ceam 1950 ian made one here kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6OleqCnZapspc0si=W096QrabavQrSiUS
@me.ne.frego.11 ай бұрын
@@notadorf From small arms to long range missiles, almost everything from everyone is based on german tech!
@quentinburns829811 ай бұрын
these level delayed blowback guns never cease to amaze me that they work at all.
@jamesdalton201411 ай бұрын
Well, it only works once Ian has foiled the Gendarmes clever attempt to render the gun inoperable by reversing the lever. I wonder if he told them what he'd done or if he just put it back the way it was.
@spellxthief11 ай бұрын
the c4 model or the standard pre-production models with a magazine in the folded position would make a great starwars gun
@fbisurveillancevan693911 ай бұрын
Hello Ian! Hope you are doing fine! I'm a big fan of your videos. I'd like to know more about the FAMAS and it's development. I think it's an interesting and futuristic design. To me it looks like the French went from super dated to space age, within a few years with the FAMAS and it doesn't even looks old 50 years after the deveolpment. Would be great if you could give us some insights of that topic. Keep up!
@jamesberry323011 ай бұрын
Ian has a book on that subject
@bikesfrench85249 ай бұрын
New VCD10 Lebel VCD 15 lebel Verney Carron New model french gun
@kmech3rd11 ай бұрын
The Firefly aesthetic is strong with this one.
@CyborgBirdie11 ай бұрын
the stuff most people have nightmares about, Ian has dreams about
@stefanosiclari11 ай бұрын
I quite like how these guns look
@Getpojke11 ай бұрын
Really interesting. Was there a specific designer or Government/Military, order/edict that sent the French down this route of having ultra compact folding sub-machine guns? I can see the purpose of wanting them small for stowage/transport, especially for paratroopers on in battle taxis. But I sometimes wonder if it was any quicker to engage a folding magazine & well compared to slamming a magazine in place & start firing/having a safety catch in place for a loaded mag? A folding magazine well also seems a natural weak point that could cause feeding failures to me. It does however make them very cool & Heath Robinson (Rube Goldberg if you're American). It just seems that they were designing heavily towards a predominance of paratrooper or sneaky covert use, when for much of their service life most sub-machine guns would be carried ready to use. (Maybe just the old case of "the French copy no one and no-one copies the French!?) Then again I suppose the French Gendarmerie/Gendarme regularly carry sub-guns & it makes them easier to carry without appearing overtly offensive in public!? Thanks for the video, I found it fascinating to see this amazing collection of splendid guns.
@johanmetreus126811 ай бұрын
Ease of carry also transfer into ease of storage. Short racks and compact crates that makes logistic transportation more economical. Folding magazine well means you don't have to start the process retrieving a magazine from your webbing, which was a far cry from the speed access oriented webbings of today. Their main purposes was to 1) make sure the magazine wasn't lost when crawling and jumping around, 2) prevent dirt to ingress) and 3) prevent damage to them. If that meant secured protected flaps delaying the shooter half a minute, so be it.
@Getpojke11 ай бұрын
@@johanmetreus1268 Yeah, I can see those points being very much part of the design ethos. Maybe just an evolutionary blind alley in gun design, as they're features we rarely see today apart from some very specialised instances. So maybe they weren't worth the drawbacks in the long run!? So saying things like folding/sliding stocks have become common & mag placement in things like to pistol grip/bullpup/longitudinally (eg P90) all can help make things more compact or shorter on Submachine guns & PDWs. But finding that perfect layout while keeping things compact still seems to be a white whale.
@johanmetreus126811 ай бұрын
@@Getpojke Goatboy, I'm not sure that the design meeting a dead end as much as simple mass-produced submachine-guns not having much value in a world where you can get a five and half mm (5.45 and 5.56) carbine relatively cheaply and in about the same size. As to why we don't see folding magazines on carbines, I think it is because the form factor of magazines today. The SMG-magazine were very long and thin, so you save a lot of space that way. Now most use carbine length of intermediate cartridges, and the more square shaped rectangle doesn't make that much of a difference. So yes, that White Whale is still out there.
@misterbacon493310 ай бұрын
Nice that Ian is in France enjoying their guns! 👍🇫🇷
@kwazar22110 ай бұрын
Ian as a french guy and french shooter I would thank you for the effort you make to pronouce our towns in French. 🙏🏻
@enricopaolocoronado251111 ай бұрын
They look so goofy. Like some kid in elementary if you asked him to draw a gun from scratch.
@Tallus_ap_Mordren11 ай бұрын
I love it. Looks like a Walther MPL and a Thompson had a baby. Honestly, except for the stocks, I like them better than the MAT-49
@revolverDOOMGUY11 ай бұрын
Reminds me a lot of the armaguerra og-44
@yo.mama10011 ай бұрын
😂😂 the stock on that machine gun looks like the Daisy BB gun
@Zilch61611 ай бұрын
France's ability to make truly the most bizarre and cool looking guns, even to this very day, is fascinating
@DavidThomas-sv1tk11 ай бұрын
The French copy no one and no one copies the French.
@VegasCyclingFreak11 ай бұрын
Interesting to see the design development process
@CypherC30011 ай бұрын
I initially read the title as 'Laser-delayed' and was super excited to watch this video.
@oneproudbrowncoat11 ай бұрын
That final iteration is beautiful.
@sealove79able11 ай бұрын
A great very interesting video and French experimental smg.Have a good one Mr.GJ.
@MrCornpop11 ай бұрын
that takedown of the first one was yummy
@kekolo5611 ай бұрын
Thank you so much to shed light on French weaponry!!!!
@smashallpots142811 ай бұрын
im really digging this one
@veleriphon11 ай бұрын
That FCM also looks like a precursor to the AR design.
@Stevarooni11 ай бұрын
"Convergent technology". If it's a good idea, it will happen. Maybe even multiple times, independently.
@RealCadde11 ай бұрын
BUT WHAT HAPPENS if that "lever" is installed backwards? Will it then fire and also not be lever delayed?
@Cartoondude13511 ай бұрын
Nuts! I thought this was the prototype micro Uzi that uses what looks like Glock magazines. But NVM. Keep searching, I know it's out there somewhere. And a friendly reminder: I need at least 6 faces of that weapon so I can turn it into a 3D model in Blender like how a 2D square becomes a 3D 6-sided cube.
@jasonhall749111 ай бұрын
I love the lever delay action.
@b-conn662411 ай бұрын
Just love how strange these guns look.
@possumpatrol4511 ай бұрын
La magie spatiale française
@shinobi-no-bueno11 ай бұрын
Omelette du fromage
@gilgamecha11 ай бұрын
"French space magic"
@g54b9511 ай бұрын
Ian is such a gangster. At 6:00 "And this in fact assembled wrong, so let me fix it really quick."
@avp596411 ай бұрын
Thank you Ian thank you Gendarmerie. Amazing these prototypes getting to see the light of day!
@TimPimentel300611 ай бұрын
Anyone else getting Daisy Red Rider from those wooden stocks? Particularly where they attach to the hinge assembly.
@Sir_Baddington11 ай бұрын
Pretty neat little gun.
@duanequam770911 ай бұрын
I did enjoy the video. You have yet to make one that I haven't. My wife also watches and told me your voice is your signature and makes your videos pleasant to listen to.
@FunkBastid10 ай бұрын
Ian fighting every urge to keep both hands above the table
@cedhome794511 ай бұрын
It's amazing how many countries had a go at making new new new patterns when there where lots of well built and relatively reliable patterns already in use .
@ricardomiles295711 ай бұрын
A mixture of pride, nationalism and politics. If we are going to use a weapon it must be MADE by US, we can't de depend on other nations like that also if we OUR new gun turn out good other nations might buy from us making THEM depedent on US
@jeandelacroix672611 ай бұрын
@@ricardomiles2957 it sounds stupid until you get embargoed. And even of you license, don't forget royalties. Small arms are made by the thousands. That's a huge reason why it's sometimes better to develop your own thing. And in this specific case, the US printed fake french money and then tried to force it as real money in 1945, this made the french government a bit cautious about being fully dependent on the US
@DivingHawker11 ай бұрын
This looks so much like a French MP5 from the outside.
@snaildad19311 ай бұрын
Ahhh, perfect upload for my breakfast tea and croissant, thanks Ian!
@jerkfudgewater14711 ай бұрын
I love these weird guns from a different timeline… looking at this thing i would have guessed 1960s not 40s and as if that wasn’t great enough gunjesus then breaks down what went wrong… chef’s kiss it’s perfect
@xum-2611 ай бұрын
i'm a simple french man, i see a french gun on FW, I press the like button !
@yves-mariesellin602611 ай бұрын
tiens, c'est marrant, je fais la même chose 😆
@jeandelacroix672611 ай бұрын
🤝
@chriscoogan809011 ай бұрын
Gives me a new appreciation for my MP5
@lukehorning340415 күн бұрын
I don’t think I’ve ever seen that one before and it’s a very interesting design and I would have thought it would have been pretty popular for that time
@RaDeus8711 ай бұрын
They look very Fallout-esque, like they crossed the Combat Rifle with an early G3.
@ankaynavravens11 ай бұрын
-Can we copy your homework monsieur Kiraly? (with French accent) -yes, just change it a little. - oh don't worry we are french... it will be unrecognisable!
@warman309611 ай бұрын
And again there seems to be a pretty clear pattern with french arms development they look around for the most recent thing or basically something to adapt for their military then they get into the development process and get too ambitious then end up with 4 or 5 different models of the same gun as none are quite up to their standards or just out right don't work as intended or end up being too expensive to manufacture in mass then they give up and wait for another inspiration to add their mustache twist on 😂 any way great video IAN I'm certain I would never even know such a gun existed if not for you so thanks.