Former American Inmate Reacts To Prisons In Norway

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Jessica Kent

Jessica Kent

Күн бұрын

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@JessicaKent
@JessicaKent 3 жыл бұрын
Everyone wants to argue that inmates..deserve nothing. That they broke the law n should suffer. Someone with a murder charge..is not the same as a chomo so plz don't group them together. Many...many things lead to murder. Accidents..crimes of passion..neglect..fights..car crashes. Those people can and should be rehabilitated. Chomos..obviously i have no respect for. However..if you are releasing inmates..they need to enter society..a changed person..to keep that country safe from that person..right? That's why you should care how they treat inmates..bc most..leave prison.
@nellieshoals
@nellieshoals 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly!! It's not even a sympathy thing, for the good of society people with mental health issues that led to crime need TREATMENT! Or else we can keep expecting to house people in prison for years and years and that shit can get expensive.
@IsabellaFrank2
@IsabellaFrank2 3 жыл бұрын
People commit crimes for a plethora of reasons. Some because they dont have access to healthcare. Some because they dont have food or housing. What if instead of focusing on the criminal act, we focused on the u derlying reasons that Crimea are committed? What if we tried to live in a society where we met everyone's basic needs.. Why is what Jeff Bezos does legal?? Why are rich white people allowed to hoard money?? But stealing a loaf of bread illegal in this country? Its subjective what most crimes are and we need to look at that too. Who defines what is criminal?
@Upper_echelon_exotics
@Upper_echelon_exotics 3 жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention mental illness. Mental illnesses can definitely result in murder. Not trying to say they always do. People definitely murder people because of mental illness and should be helped. Seems like too many people try to use insanity as a way out but people who are mentally ill and hurt someone definitely need help. I think a lot of the time they should be put away but only for their and other peoples safety. So maybe they can't be rehabilitated but sent to a place kinder than prison. Where they can receive treatment and be treated humanly. From what I have heard mental institutions aren't great either but I guess that's another subject. Unfortunately a lot of mentally ill people end up in prison instead of getting help.
@lavishrw
@lavishrw 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed! ❤
@jen30551
@jen30551 3 жыл бұрын
@@mediaisevil6730 In some cases, sexual assault can be life ending for all intents and purposes. Many people who commit crimes or kill themselves are struggling with the trauma of sexual abuse. Chomo's and some types of sexual offenders notoriously reoffend. I'm good spending the money to keep them locked up or under thumb somehow.
@CassandraBankson
@CassandraBankson 3 жыл бұрын
11:11 “if you treat an inmate like an animal, he’d be an animal.” It’s amazing what a little bit of encouragement and rehabilitation can do.
@Chelle8847
@Chelle8847 3 жыл бұрын
fancy seeing you here Cass! Definitely agree with your comment!
@stefanelisabethgabriela4259
@stefanelisabethgabriela4259 3 жыл бұрын
Omg cassandra!! Hi!!
@aprils5881
@aprils5881 3 жыл бұрын
Well, hello Cass! And I wholeheartedly agree!
@kelseywardell8097
@kelseywardell8097 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Cassandra!! Yes that statement is so true. When guard said that I was like yes!!!
@azul4904
@azul4904 3 жыл бұрын
love seeing you here!!
@kajalindsay5056
@kajalindsay5056 3 жыл бұрын
Norwegian here. It IS life sentence, he will never be released. Once he hits 21 a team of psychologists evaluate and extend, in his case it will be lifetime because of the crime he won’t be considered safe to be released, or even for his own safety.
@kikkiking3547
@kikkiking3547 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for telling everyone that!
@shekinahclark7824
@shekinahclark7824 3 жыл бұрын
Yes!!!!!^^^^^
@Kreo678
@Kreo678 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's the same here in Canada
@odabertinelie4677
@odabertinelie4677 3 жыл бұрын
The man that killed all those people will probably not get out of person ever.
@makennashuter6606
@makennashuter6606 3 жыл бұрын
@@Kreo678 Canadian here. It is? I had no idea haha 😂 my criminology classes only cover what IS a law and not how everything is handled after arrest.
@sisselbjordal5206
@sisselbjordal5206 3 жыл бұрын
So the serial killer you're talking about is a terrorist. The longest sentence in Norway is 21 years with detention, ie when 21 years have passed, it will be assessed whether the person is still a threat to society, if the person is, they can extend the sentence by 5 years. This means that as long as the person is considered to be a threat to society, the person will be in prison in Norway. The difference is that you have an opportunity to change in terms of life in prison in the United States.
@Fatemaforlife
@Fatemaforlife 3 жыл бұрын
Serial killers in the US are typically given the death sentence or life in prison, many times without the possibility of parole.
@Ami_E_Bowen
@Ami_E_Bowen 3 жыл бұрын
He's a mass murderer. Not a serial killer. There's a difference. Serial killers kill over time, mass murderers kill a bunch at one time.
@Tuniefp
@Tuniefp 3 жыл бұрын
I also would like to add that even if he get's out he's never really out. He will probably be supervised 24/7. If not he's probably gonna be killed by someone... Or kill someone again..
@MissCaraMint
@MissCaraMint 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ami_E_Bowen Yes I was about to comment this. Serial killers have a cool down period between each kill. Mass murderers do it in one go. Typically mass murderers also do not intend to survive so Brevik is a special case.
@Rebecca-vg2ef
@Rebecca-vg2ef 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know if this is similar to Germany but here we have a thing called preventive custody (Sicherheitsverwahrung) where, if you're still considered a threat to society after you served your sentence (it's reevaluated every couple of years) you have to stay in prison anyway but you might get extra rights in there (like not needing a uniform) because you aren't technically serving a sentence anymore
@NP-ws4pq
@NP-ws4pq 2 жыл бұрын
So a fellow scandinavian here: first off not enough serial killers in Norway to even make a statistic on that. Second: Dont worry, he's most likely not gonna be out after 21 years. In a case like that, they are not letting him out until they redem that he is no longer a threat to society - in this case that is most likely that he never get out or atleast, not until he is so old that he is dying. That is usually how it goes in Scandinavia. Happens to extremely few people, however it does happens.
@emperorpanda24
@emperorpanda24 Жыл бұрын
plus he is kept for his own safety as many people wish for revenge on what he did
@thanossnap4170
@thanossnap4170 Жыл бұрын
@@emperorpanda24 This. He would not last long if he got out.
@andersgulowsen2814
@andersgulowsen2814 Жыл бұрын
@@thanossnap4170 I would do him myself. and proudlu spend 21 years
@Arat1t1
@Arat1t1 3 жыл бұрын
Just to give some context to Breivik's sentence, there's no way he's getting out. The 21 year sentence is essentially just setting a date for when his incarceration has to be reconsidered, so you could see it as a life sentence with 21 mandatory years. When the original sentence is about to run out they will take a look at it and conclude whether he has actually been rehabilitated, but considering every single thing we've heard about him inside the prison and how extreme his crime was I highly doubt that he's gonna get out.
@moontan_
@moontan_ 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. It is the same in my country.
@jennifercampbell2512
@jennifercampbell2512 3 жыл бұрын
I hope Jess sees this.
@brooklynbby9655
@brooklynbby9655 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the context cause I was confused
@Sandxastle
@Sandxastle 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, he's never getting out and if he did, he'd just be killed
@riiadejaneiro3766
@riiadejaneiro3766 3 жыл бұрын
Everyone was mad when they showed Breivik was gonna serve time in a freaking hotel! And i think he will get out at some point.
@chrystenq
@chrystenq 3 жыл бұрын
Please do the video on women who are in prison because they defended themselves against abusers!
@misfitbritt
@misfitbritt 3 жыл бұрын
Aka me! Been there. Not fuckin fun at all. And it'll FOREVER haunt me too... forever tainted my record and makes it SO HARD to find jobs and stuff. Sucks!
@JessicaKent
@JessicaKent 3 жыл бұрын
I will!
@whitephantom.2107
@whitephantom.2107 3 жыл бұрын
@@misfitbritt Idk men get ruined by false rape so lol.
@jininberry8204
@jininberry8204 3 жыл бұрын
@@JessicaKent @Jessica Kent Yes please. Do they regret it or what would they have done again in retrospect? Had they tried to get help prior or was it a one off incident? What kind of childhoods did they have? What kind of childhoods did their abusers have? What advice do they have for women in abusive relationships? Were there warning signs early on? Had they been in abusive relationships before? Did they try to get help before? Is there anything these women have in common that youve noticed? What kind of prisoners were people who killed their abuser or were they very different? Were they treated differently in prison for it? Did other prisoners think they were justified? What kind of sentences did they get and how much time?
@misfitbritt
@misfitbritt 3 жыл бұрын
@@whitephantom.2107 nobody said they don't.... you dunno my story and the TORMENT... fear that I've lived... unfortunately I truly lived it and because I defended myself I was considered "just as gulity" 🤷‍♀️🙄
@McDevittMike
@McDevittMike 3 жыл бұрын
Revenge isn't as important to Norwegians as it is in North America. They actually want to help people.
@ray495903314
@ray495903314 3 жыл бұрын
I believe the Norwegians (it could be another European country) had a similar revenge based system after seeing it fail, put people in danger, and raise crime they changed the system.
@parisinthe30sx
@parisinthe30sx 3 жыл бұрын
It's not about revenge. Killers with absolutely zero remorse don't deserve cushy prisons. They are a danger to the public. And if you think American prisons are bad you should see some of ours. Italy fyi
@16ORLvc
@16ORLvc 3 жыл бұрын
@@parisinthe30sx Sorry, but I just don’t get it. As long as he is not released, what does the comfort he experiences in prison have to do with his dangerous behaviour? Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t trust a serial killer even after 20 years, but how he is treated in prison doesn’t seem to be important to the public safety as far as I know.
@CorgiDaddy2
@CorgiDaddy2 3 жыл бұрын
There's rehabilitating prisoners versus penalizing them (we DO call our prisons the penal system.. The proof is in the video. I'd take 20% over 70% any time, with the hope of lowering the 20%.
@carimavandijk1091
@carimavandijk1091 3 жыл бұрын
@@16ORLvc I think they would do a thourough psychological assasment to determine if he should be released though, and wouldnt release him if he's thought to be a danger, but that's just my guess
@juniemond
@juniemond 3 жыл бұрын
It is similar in Germany. Norway is a wonderful country - but I guess, having the focus more on rehabilitation than on revenge is common all over northern and western Europe.
@imanepink
@imanepink 3 жыл бұрын
Laughs in UK
@Petaurista13
@Petaurista13 2 жыл бұрын
Problem is that Brevik is one of rare individuals you can't and shouldn't rehabilitate. It's not "revenge" it's justice. He's on lifetime holidays for murdering 77 children and wounding few hundred while some people in my country live in far worse conditions. Innocent and having to pay. And I live in First World country. I mean Second World, but few smartasses who were never here claimed it was changed to First World few years ago (I dunno why, economics are worse than in past).
@rubysoffner4557
@rubysoffner4557 2 жыл бұрын
@@Petaurista13 Brevik will likely never get out of prison. You might call it a ‘lifetime holiday’, but fact is, he is locked away from society, making society safer, which is the point.
@l0kaltpsykf4ll34
@l0kaltpsykf4ll34 2 жыл бұрын
@@Petaurista13 fun fact: there was some talk back in 2011 among norwegian Genpop prisoners (like the hardcore murderers/serial killers) about what they wanted to do with anders behring breivik/fjotolf hansen (yes his name is fjotolf hansen now), there was talk about ambushing & shanking him to death when the guards wasnt looking i dont know if thats just rumours or legit. thats why ABB got his own solitude prison cell
@philwhatever3903
@philwhatever3903 2 жыл бұрын
@@imanepink i dont think the others understood why you was laughing. As an ex UK convict i totaly got it. I cant get a job, go on holiday or find a relationship. A penance is never paid in the UK.
@daisysummer514
@daisysummer514 3 жыл бұрын
Isn’t it crazy, how kindness makes people better x
@lolsaXx
@lolsaXx 3 жыл бұрын
Not at all crazy :)
@chrisnelson5343
@chrisnelson5343 3 жыл бұрын
Proof that WE can all be better human beings
@FragranceEuphoria
@FragranceEuphoria 3 жыл бұрын
Jessica, You should react to the minimum security prison in Norway, they get to leave the prison and go on dates at night and come back for the day. They also can ubereats and doordash food and have someone get groceries for them of whatever they want. It's awesome.
@hellfirehaze
@hellfirehaze 3 жыл бұрын
🥺💕
@lauraborabeee
@lauraborabeee 3 жыл бұрын
@@lolsaXx I think that was sarcasm as in of course kindness makes people better and more people should believe that. Being mean and unkind and treating humans like dirt is unforgivable most of those people who are in prison are just lost and have gone down a bad path in their lives they need help not torture.
@bobmalibaliyahmarley1551
@bobmalibaliyahmarley1551 3 жыл бұрын
8:53 Norwegian here.. To ease your mind on the whole ''Life sentence banned'' situation. The important part is what the woman on the video says at the end, ''he was given a maximum sentence of 21 years, but that is extendable.'' 21 years is the maximum sentence in Norway, but if you have done such a heinous act like Anders Brevik did, you will be in prison for life. He murdered almost 100 people during a shooting spree on an island in Norway during a gathering of people, most of them kids, teens and young adults, and before that he also blew up a bomb inside Oslo, injuring and killing people. He did such a heinous and planned act of sinister aggression, and has shown no remorse. After 21 years, he will just get 21 new years, and after that.. 21 new years again. They are UNABLE BY LAW to release him, as he is a danger to others, and it would be a danger to himself... Can you imagine what some people could have done to him if they released him back into the public? Left alone, what is HE still capable of doing? So due to it being a treat to himself and others, they can never release him. He is never going to be a free man again.
@Mosern1977
@Mosern1977 3 жыл бұрын
He will get 5 years more at a time, and the prosecution must argue to a panel that he is still a danger to society (not himself having to prove he is not). But I don't think he'll get out in a very very long time. At least he will have a good amount of time to contemplate all the bad stuff he did.
@bobmalibaliyahmarley1551
@bobmalibaliyahmarley1551 3 жыл бұрын
@@Mosern1977 A big problem is that he doesn't view what he did as an issue. He still believe that what he did wasn't bad. And even if he regret and is sorry for what he did in 30 years, I don't think that is enough to let him out, for his own and the kingdom's security. He will ALWAYS be a threat to others, and his life as a free man would always be in danger of retaliation by people out there who hate him for what he did. I doubt he will ever see the outside of a prison again, untill the day he leaves in a coffin as an old man.
@Mosern1977
@Mosern1977 3 жыл бұрын
@@bobmalibaliyahmarley1551 - yeah, I don't expect him to ever be let out. Unless he was right in his predictions of the future and he is released by a revolution. (Not very likely :))
@bobmalibaliyahmarley1551
@bobmalibaliyahmarley1551 3 жыл бұрын
@@Mosern1977 Let's hope not... Someone who does something to the level that he did, is seriously ill and not right in the head. People who support what he did are not only traitors of democracy, but traitors of humanity. If a future revolution would end up condoning acts such as the one he did, we would be looking at a very dark future for planet Earth.
@tusda179
@tusda179 3 жыл бұрын
@@Mosern1977 Even if he does get out he wont be safe, if he is spotted on the street he'll be beaten or killed
@emilylynne336
@emilylynne336 3 жыл бұрын
Literally if America just started respecting prisoners that would make a huge difference. Also I love that they are learning skills to use after recovering!
@heidiho5179
@heidiho5179 3 жыл бұрын
Right? When you look at even violent criminals, a lot of them have been abused and neglected and have never known respect. At the very least, a civil society should make sure to model respect to inmates. You have to give respect to get respect. At the same time, you can’t give away something you never had.
@cherrywilson6267
@cherrywilson6267 3 жыл бұрын
@@heidiho5179 I’m sorry….but they didn’t give respect to them victims SO why do they deserve respect? Lmfao
@karinland8533
@karinland8533 3 жыл бұрын
@@cherrywilson6267 because he is a human being
@fruityren
@fruityren 3 жыл бұрын
@@cherrywilson6267 when dealing with prisoners you want them to have an open slate rather then building a bill of regrets
@chisulover1235
@chisulover1235 3 жыл бұрын
@@cherrywilson6267 The respect is given so that they wouldn’t reoffend and kill/abuse more people. Respecting the inmate is protecting innocents and creating a safer society for everyone. That’s why. If we treat them like animals they will be angry and probably angrier than before. Meaning that they are more likely to reoffend. That’s why the US has a near 70% reoffend rate while Norway only has 20%. Wouldn’t you want inmates respected in return for your or your family’s safety?
@elizabethgulley7044
@elizabethgulley7044 2 жыл бұрын
Jessica, I am so glad that you do these videos. I am a nurse who worked in jails and prisons for years. I was always kind and respectful to everyone there, and they were the same with me. I had a few people come up to and say- Thank you for treating me like a human being. I cried so much after this. Of course everyone there is a human being. My heart broke for them so much. The men and women there have lost everything- homes, wives, husbands, children. Please have compassion!
@holi6293
@holi6293 3 жыл бұрын
After Breivik is done with his 21 year sentence he will be given additional sentence in 5 year increments. He will likely not get out of prison until he is a very old man. They are legally not allowed to let him out of prison as long as he is deemed dangerous. I live in Norway, and our prison and sentence system is not a controversial topic here
@JessicaComptonHR
@JessicaComptonHR 3 жыл бұрын
That's so interesting to me. I live in America. I love that it is not a conterversial topic there. I wish that America was like that. Unfortunately, prison here has been made into a business.
@lenasamanthagraham
@lenasamanthagraham 3 жыл бұрын
The prisons here in Norway is state owned and responsibility. And the guards often have a bachleors degree and the work are ok payed as well.
@arvvee1832
@arvvee1832 3 жыл бұрын
@Devils Advocate @Lena Samantha Graham This is such a humane approach and I love that it is so effective. In North America, we talk about how imprisonment should be a "deterrent" -- life should be so unpleasant that people will avoid breaking the law. In Norway, how high are crime rates when the consequences of crime seem so comfortable?
@holi6293
@holi6293 3 жыл бұрын
@@arvvee1832 firsto of all let me thank you for asking. Our crime rate is very low. We are a population of 5.3 million people, and have about 30 murders a year, so I'm sure you can understand it shook us to the core when one man murdered 77 people, many of them teenagers, in one afternoon back in 2011, and we already had one young man who tried to follow in his footsteps. He only managed to murder his sister before he was stopped as he opened fire in a mosqe
@arvvee1832
@arvvee1832 3 жыл бұрын
@Devils Advocate Yes, I remember reading about the terrible mass murders in 2011 -- a political extremist who shot young people on an island retreat hosted by the youth wing of the Labour Party, right? So very awful. But I still don't understand about the the prisons. If they are kind, respectful and comfortable places, are Norwegians not so afraid to break the law and be convicted?
@saltefan5925
@saltefan5925 3 жыл бұрын
The Norwegian maximum penalty is indeed 21 years, but you could also have what we call "Forvaring" or (roughly translated) "Detention". This means that a person who served their time is then given a reevaluation where the inmates' ability to reintegrate into society is assessed. If they are found to be incapable of reintegration, their sentence can be renewed. It is more accurate to say that the maximum penalty is 21 years at a time.
@KjartanAndersen
@KjartanAndersen 2 жыл бұрын
Nope. The sentence isn't renewed. It is extended by normally 5 years. And for the record the maximum sentence in Norway today is 30 years for grievous act of terror (§132). Sadly that law was not in effect when Breivik committed his crime due to a long delay by the government to put the penal law of 2005 in effect. It wasn't put in effect until October 2015.
@ingendukjennerv2198
@ingendukjennerv2198 2 жыл бұрын
@@KjartanAndersen well while true if there is a chance of repeating a new serious crime he will not Get released by current long as long as that is a threat
@jimmiekarlsson4458
@jimmiekarlsson4458 2 жыл бұрын
@@KjartanAndersen Ye thats right, its 21 years, and after that it get extended by 5years at a time.
@uwehansen2915
@uwehansen2915 2 жыл бұрын
same in Germany people can sentence to a penalty over 21 Years but it is not simple than ifen a Inmate are a Human
@rosannaburt3048
@rosannaburt3048 2 жыл бұрын
For life should be for life
@tinatullin879
@tinatullin879 3 жыл бұрын
For the record, I`m Norwegian and Anders Breivik will never get out.
@Lollipop.er42
@Lollipop.er42 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah but at this point is it even a punishment? If you take the punishment out of prison and just leave the lack of freedom what incentive does someone have to not commit murder?
@peope1976
@peope1976 3 жыл бұрын
@@Lollipop.er42 Have you lived without freedom? Without having access to friends or family? Not being able to create a life? Not being able to just take a walk when you want to? Not allowed to eat what you want? Not allowed to watch what you want to? Have sex. Have children. Grandchildren. You are still stuck there inside. Locked in during the night.
@alexschmidt5612
@alexschmidt5612 3 жыл бұрын
@@peope1976 Sounds like Ontario
@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive
@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive 3 жыл бұрын
peope1976 That’s called major depressive disorder. And general anxiety disorder.
@markly5460
@markly5460 3 жыл бұрын
@@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive bruh
@videosonhobbies4484
@videosonhobbies4484 3 жыл бұрын
This prison takes better care of its inmates than my parents did of me 😭
@notspeakingfornow
@notspeakingfornow 2 жыл бұрын
Lol same
@EclecticallyEccentric
@EclecticallyEccentric Жыл бұрын
Same.
@bjrntorkeldahl7938
@bjrntorkeldahl7938 Жыл бұрын
That sais way more about your parents than it sais about the prison. In Norway, you may not have been allowed to stay with them. Unless the issue was lack of money, which again is not that much of an issue in Norway, since there are solid social programs, especially to ensure the safety of children.
@runeingebretsen8378
@runeingebretsen8378 Жыл бұрын
Then you had shitty parents,maybe you should talk to a lawyer and see if you can sue them.
@sockerdietq
@sockerdietq 3 жыл бұрын
Just a note: Anders Breivik who massmurdered 77 kids will never get out. He doesn't have a release date, so every 20 years they are going to have a new trial and give him another 20 year sentence! 👍 Also, great idea for a video series! 😀
@pkvalsvik
@pkvalsvik 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think they give them another 21 years, you just get to be on perpetual sentence unless the offender is proven to be a no risk.... Breivik on the other hand will never come out again.
@KingNoob308
@KingNoob308 3 жыл бұрын
en sann legende
@paxundpeace9970
@paxundpeace9970 3 жыл бұрын
No. This is not the case. Be will be reviewed this not a new trail or sentence. It is a security detention that likely will be permanent but reviewed every view years
@Snarcksa
@Snarcksa 3 жыл бұрын
@@paxundpeace9970 As far as I recall his mental state will be evaluated, and if he's deemed "still dangerous" his sentence will be prolonged another 5 years.
@debrickashaw9387
@debrickashaw9387 3 жыл бұрын
@@KingNoob308 en jävla förlorare
@vkdrk
@vkdrk 3 жыл бұрын
It's sad that you were actually surprised when they said that there's NO DEATH PENALTY, death penalty is not really a thing in Europe. We've learned our lesson in the past. US needs to catch up (I'm with you on life sentences for serial killers)
@Haghenveien
@Haghenveien 3 жыл бұрын
I'm from Spain, the death penalty is something we strongly relate to the dictatorship, with not having a democracy. The part of the our Constitution that forbids the death penalty is one that is extremely difficult to change to make sure it doesn't come back easily just because a goverment changes a law. Actually, I have never seen people demanding the death penalty. Not after terrorist attacks (and we have suffered so much because of terrorism) , not after the most horrible crimes. Sure people demands the offenders being in prision longer or even getting life sentences but death penalty, as you say, not a thing.
@Natsymir
@Natsymir 3 жыл бұрын
The European Union even has as a requirement that you don't have the death penalty, meaning that all the countries who've wanted to join at some point have abolished the death penalty, too, whether they got to join the EU in the end or not.
@Macmumoz
@Macmumoz 3 жыл бұрын
The death penalty is actually only in very few countries. I'm always that people aren't aware of that.
@user-hy2ry3if8h
@user-hy2ry3if8h 3 жыл бұрын
Death penalty is the most humane and civilized thing. Without it whole justice system makes no logical sense - there is no progression, no proporitonality. To understand what I say you just need to understand that not the all people are good poeple. Bradley & Hindley, Harold Chapman, Marc Dutroux get to live out their lives in luxour of state care. Andy Brejvik complained because he didn't get a new console. He lives in the exact type a prison you show here. He shot dead over 80 people (most were far-left kids, who also didn't believe in death penatly...). It impossible you don't understand it's wrong, if think about it for 5 mintes.
@marytc2714
@marytc2714 3 жыл бұрын
@@Macmumoz rapists and murderers deserve no respect
@Maya-ez9wk
@Maya-ez9wk 3 жыл бұрын
I went to a jail when I was around 8 years old to visit my father for Christmas eve. I thought it looked so amazing with all the open space, bookshelf's full of games, and the little segmented meal trays to separate food (being a child who didn't want any of my food to touch my other food). I just wanted to stay there with him too, and I told him that, and it made him cry. It's crazy how unknowing I was of the sadness he was going through. Looking back, I was having the time of my life playing checkers with him, not realizing how painful it must have been for him to let me see him that way. His tears confused me. Recently he had a relapse on heroine again after spending the remaining 10 years of my childhood, and another 2 years sober. He's only 3 months sober now, but your videos help me have compassion for his struggles. When he cried again, and held me, apologizing over and over for failing again, all the memories of that jail visit came flooding back and my heart broke a little.
@elenakendrick6279
@elenakendrick6279 3 жыл бұрын
Being a family member of a recovering addict is challenging. While they heal we're healing too. Sobriety is a bumpy road that the entire family has to travel on. Your father has no idea how amazing he is for continuing to fight against addiction. Sometimes there are set backs and that's okay. By you showing him compassion made him want to fight just a little harder. Thank you for sharing your story ❤️
@nicholaspruitt9032
@nicholaspruitt9032 3 жыл бұрын
May God bless you.
@EvelinaNinudottir
@EvelinaNinudottir 2 жыл бұрын
The 21 years can be extended, so in practice, there is such a thing as serving life in prison in Norway. However, the idea is that no one should be sentenced to life from the get-go. Instead, their time should be extended only to the degree necessary.
@BramLastname
@BramLastname 2 жыл бұрын
Also he might be kept in prison for his own safety Moreso than because he's deemed too dangerous to others.
@DanaTheDisaffectedDoula
@DanaTheDisaffectedDoula 3 жыл бұрын
As the daughter of a cop in a big city, I have a "less than" view of convicts, generally. Finding your channel has really opened my eyes into the way inmates are treated and the system of recidivism it creates. Thank you for the work you're doing.
@kaylie9513
@kaylie9513 3 жыл бұрын
Bahahaha "Karen cares"
@heidiho5179
@heidiho5179 3 жыл бұрын
@@kaylie9513 It’s definitely catchy!
@Witchygirl22
@Witchygirl22 3 жыл бұрын
I hope your mom or dad doesn't have a less than view of the people they have to interact with, and arrest daily. But I'm so glad to hear of your change of heart Karen.. try to remember, be kind and have empathy for everyone.. 🤗
@alehlete830
@alehlete830 2 жыл бұрын
U look old
@malinemilia3254
@malinemilia3254 3 жыл бұрын
I live in Norway and this makes me so proud of my country. It is very safe here. I wish you all could have the same system where you are.
@annaolsson2996
@annaolsson2996 3 жыл бұрын
Woop woop! Heja Norge!
@Waywardwindfall
@Waywardwindfall 3 жыл бұрын
I think it’s safe there because all your families have their basic needs met, no? America is so dangerous because we don’t have our emotional needs met from a very early age. Then you add in poverty and the culture of envy and there is no hope for America in several generations. We are becoming more accountable. Regarding feelings more. And finally have a generation not brought up in self-loathing. As long as capitalism exists here, we won’t have safe prisons.
@Waywardwindfall
@Waywardwindfall 3 жыл бұрын
I agree we grow up as victims. But you have to understand that a majority of our country ARE victims. You rarely see a comfortable middle class person in prison. Maybe that’s because they can afford legal representation, but a lot has to do with neurological development and access to resources. We shove our mental ill off into the projects and trailer parks and then expect them to some how get better on their own. The system creates victims everyday and then blames them for not getting a job when no jobs are out there for felons. It’s absurd and will not get better for tens of generations.
@Waywardwindfall
@Waywardwindfall 3 жыл бұрын
@@mediaisevil6730 who said anything about having an easy life?
@nellieshoals
@nellieshoals 3 жыл бұрын
@@mediaisevil6730 Who said anything about blaming? This is not blaming, it's a simple factor of it all. I work in mental health and you can see (and there are studies!) showing that the more trauma a person has, generally speaking the more mental health issues they have. Raise people like animals, and they will act like animals. They will be aggressive and in survival mode at all times, rather than able to develop that prefrontal "human" part of their brain. Literally.
@croissant4131
@croissant4131 3 жыл бұрын
The 21 years is extendable, as the vid said. He will probs never get out. Professionals evaluate them before extending or not. And given the crime rate they do it very well.
@fiwarelli
@fiwarelli 3 жыл бұрын
Never
@mazzaker18
@mazzaker18 3 жыл бұрын
they will never release him nomatter what happens for one simple reason, he would get murdered if someone found him. not saying all would, but there are some that probably would.
@AudunWangen
@AudunWangen 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. They call it "forvaring" which is slightly different from "fengsel" (prison). "Forvaring" can be extended if the judge deems he is still a danger to society, and I don't think Breivik will be deemed fit for release for decades. He will probably never be released.
@rawglowkristina
@rawglowkristina 3 жыл бұрын
Actually, during the court case of the terrorist, major controversy arose due to the fact that two different teams of experts reached two completely different conclusions in context to the question of sanity and accountability; one team deeming the terrorist not accountable, whilst the other reached the opposite conclusion. The margin of error is, in other words, quite large when it comes to these questions. Also, the statistics refer to total recidivism, without taking the type of crime into account: recidivism for child molesters and sexual predators are unfortunately very high, and the sentencing is often a slap on the wrist. The attempt to rehabilitate these offenders, especially in the case of child molesters, have a low rate of success. Furthermore, they are released quite freely into society after serving their sentence, and there is no warning issued to the public like there is with registered sex offenders in the USA. In other words: Your next door neighbor could be a convicted child molester, having served several sentences for child molestation, and you would have no way of knowing. Personally, I am a proponent of the Norwegian prison system as a whole, but not in terms of sentencing for sexual offences and their release into society free to prey on innocent victims, with very little control.
@amoral_minority
@amoral_minority 2 жыл бұрын
I remember reading about prisons in Norway back when I was a student and I lived in a dormitory. And the main reaction from everyone who saw what it was like was: "Our dorms are much, much worse than this. No way our prisoners are going to get better treatment than our students."
@gracehetfield5331
@gracehetfield5331 2 жыл бұрын
Sad. I feel like main takeaway should be all our citizens deserve better
@bigmanmccheez5342
@bigmanmccheez5342 2 жыл бұрын
"That's why we blew up the bus"
@Damianskull
@Damianskull Жыл бұрын
It means the dorms are the problems not the prisons, cuz of your room looks worser than that prison then its definitely bad and should be improved
@tosvus
@tosvus Жыл бұрын
The college dorm I had when I studied in Norway almost 30 years ago is nicer and modern still than my child's dorm at an expensive college here in the US last year.. (Also nicer in terms of bedroom/bathroom than Halden prison)
@leo-dq6ns
@leo-dq6ns 3 жыл бұрын
Jess before I watched your channel I would think inmate's deserve to be treated bad but after hearing your story I have changed my View's on prison and how inmate's should be treated. We all deserve respect no matter what
@Upper_echelon_exotics
@Upper_echelon_exotics 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I think more people need to hear her message. Between Jessica and Christina Randall I have learned a lot. I would consider myself a pretty compassionate person anyway though. People with no compassion won't get it. Unfortunately.
@altynaytherussianspy
@altynaytherussianspy 3 жыл бұрын
Its also important to remember that the “luxury” prisons are only for specific inmates who meet the requirements. Also this is mostly a program for men, there’s such a low crime rate amoung Norwegian women that often they’re left out of these sorts of programs. Regular Norwegian prisons are still a lot nicer than US prisons.
@razoo911
@razoo911 3 жыл бұрын
i think all europe prison are a lot nicer than US
@EllaMBV
@EllaMBV 3 жыл бұрын
@@razoo911 ehh not necessarily
@juliane5632
@juliane5632 3 жыл бұрын
@@razoo911 Not all europe prison, we can check on gordon ramsay show behind the bars where he goes to prison and teach inmates to cook and have business, mosst of their food is molded their cells are almost the same as in US. Even in russia its a lot worser. In turkey we have Diyarbakir Prison. In france we have La Sante Prison and theres a lot more
@siar073
@siar073 3 жыл бұрын
@@juliane5632 u named 3 countries but only one is in europe...
@juliane5632
@juliane5632 3 жыл бұрын
@@siar073 Gordon ramsay show behind the bars was located in london jail, UK. UK is still in europe, if you meant the brexit time well its not that, its not eu but its country in europe. La sante prison is locanted in paris of france, france is part of europe. Diyarbakir prison is located in Diyarbakır, southeastern Turkey, you could search up the prisons and its on those locations. Turkey is part of europe still (hence turkey is even part of EU), Turkey and Russia are transcontinental country making both half asian half european continent country
@mariazimmermannsillero5324
@mariazimmermannsillero5324 3 жыл бұрын
I love that you reacted to this video, Jessica. I'm in the process of getting my degree in Criminology and Psychology and my literal DREAM is to move to Norway to work in this prison. It is the only prison I would ever work at.
@mariazimmermannsillero5324
@mariazimmermannsillero5324 3 жыл бұрын
@Jekabpils Bushow I'm from Spain
@t-and-p
@t-and-p 2 жыл бұрын
If you enjoy academia, why not conduct research on this prison, looking at reoffending rates and writing it in a way that will appeal to politicians (eg emphasising the cost-effectiveness)? Maybe also research a standard, local prison for comparison, emphasising the increased violence and reoffending rates. You could be part of a movement to make prisons like this the standard across Europe - changing millions of lives for the better (not just the criminals & their families, but also the innocent people who won't end up becoming victims because offenders received effective rehabilitation in time, and the guards who now have safer, happier jobs). That would be an incredible way to use your degree and an extraordinary legacy to leave! x
@dotlaj
@dotlaj 2 жыл бұрын
@@t-and-p there's even a possibility that she could get a study like that sponsored by the Norway.
@t-and-p
@t-and-p 2 жыл бұрын
@@dotlaj Even better! 🤩 That would be brilliant! 👍
@sandydee8003
@sandydee8003 3 жыл бұрын
This makes me so happy to see everyone working to lift each other up. Norway’s system knows how to treat people.
@annebritraaen2237
@annebritraaen2237 3 жыл бұрын
As a norwegian grandmother, with a criminal record, this have always been close to my heart. I am very pleased about how things have developed here since the seventies, when I had most of my run-offs with the law. I never went as far as to jail- mostly because I was regarded as a victim ( a convinient misconception), and they went for my boyfriend instead. He hung himself in jail at the age of twenty-nine, facing a long sentence. My heart broke when I spoke with his mother, and she told me she felt better now, than when he was alive - because now he couldn't get hurt anymore.
@attesmatte
@attesmatte 3 жыл бұрын
That's so sad... 💔💔
@user-hy2ry3if8h
@user-hy2ry3if8h 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry but - what did he do to get that long prison sentence? It's not fair to tell us about yout poor boyfriend without tellings us what he did to others...
@attesmatte
@attesmatte 3 жыл бұрын
@@user-hy2ry3if8h Why does that matter now? It was a long time ago... Suicide is always tragic, but his mother's reaction to his suicide was heartbreaking! 😭
@waterproof4403
@waterproof4403 3 жыл бұрын
@Etevaldo Skylab I'm eager to know to
@MandiPlaysBeatSaber
@MandiPlaysBeatSaber 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, that will never happen in America because prison is more of a business than a punishment.
@holi6293
@holi6293 3 жыл бұрын
But even in USA most prisoners eventually get out, it makes zero sense to treat them like animals
@MandiPlaysBeatSaber
@MandiPlaysBeatSaber 3 жыл бұрын
@@holi6293 yep but they want them to reoffend and come back. Most prisons here are privately owned and they get more money for each person imprisoned.
@scifydi6446
@scifydi6446 3 жыл бұрын
Yes this is a sad truth. Sit around in prison doing nothing. Do your time get out then reoffend it’s like a revolving door. I knew someone who was only getting one meal a day just so the warden could take the savings for himself as a bonus.
@oliveraebi6196
@oliveraebi6196 3 жыл бұрын
Big Business !! Sick... No Help to Change your Life
@ec9833
@ec9833 3 жыл бұрын
The US, don’t forget, creates the criminal well before the criminal is even born. Don’t you love the façades of the US? There’s no freedom unless you’re born into sects of ppl in the US meant, by the US, to have it. And even then...
@sarahblohm361
@sarahblohm361 3 жыл бұрын
I think you just have to look at the reoffending rates between different countries to see how much can hinge on how an inmate is treated. I’ve dealt with former prisoners when I worked in social housing here in the U.K. & one thing I heard regularly was how surprised they were if someone spoke to them with respect. I guess it depends on how you view prison sentences - is it solely as a punishment without any consideration for the future - or does the system actually want to work with the prisoners on rehabilitation.
@raayaswidler1049
@raayaswidler1049 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a minute in and I'm already shook by the Norwegian prisons. A handshake?!
@kayliehutson02859
@kayliehutson02859 3 жыл бұрын
One could say you're...handshook (...I'm so sorry I just had to)
@FragranceEuphoria
@FragranceEuphoria 3 жыл бұрын
Jessica, You should react to the minimum security prison in Norway, they get to leave the prison and go on dates at night and come back for the day. They also can ubereats and doordash food and have someone get groceries for them of whatever they want. It's awesome.
@alexanderstahlner583
@alexanderstahlner583 3 жыл бұрын
The serial killer they talked about is hold on something that makes it almost impossible for him to ever get out even if it says 21 years. He is probably also safer in prison because a gang put a price on his head after he claimed to belong to them after the attack
@VenomHalos
@VenomHalos 3 жыл бұрын
That’s what I was thinking. We do this in Canada, too. The most someone can be sentenced to is 25 years without parole, but even after that they might not get parole. Someone like Paul Bernardo, who is a genuinely despicable human being, is probably never going to get out of prison, even if he is eligible for parole nowadays.
@lamdahansen252
@lamdahansen252 3 жыл бұрын
This is correct, he is on an extendable sentence or in preventive detention. This means he has to show he is no longer dangerous before he can be released into society. It is generally believed in Norway that he will be incarnated for the rest of his life because he continues to pose a very high risk.
@n0namesowhatblerp362
@n0namesowhatblerp362 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah exactly, no way he is getting out.
@CorgiDaddy2
@CorgiDaddy2 3 жыл бұрын
Good to know. I'm still really impressed with your recidivism rate. When inmates are released, are they forever branded a felon?
@Daaaanielle
@Daaaanielle 3 жыл бұрын
Is he a serial killer? Or is he a spree killer? I thought he just shot a ton of people in one place in a few hours?
@ewabehr4861
@ewabehr4861 3 жыл бұрын
As far as I know, in Norway they reevaluate whether someone is ready to return to society, and if not then their sentence is extended. Breivik won’t be out after 21 years if they think there’s any chance he may reoffend.
@Maiken2589
@Maiken2589 3 жыл бұрын
You're right, his sentence will be extended with five years at a time, he will always be a danger to society so he will never get out.
@jivingdodo
@jivingdodo 3 жыл бұрын
Jessica, I understand your initial gut reaction to 21 years for Anders Brevick but remember the aim of prison in Norway is to reform and if you give an automatic life sentence you're saying outright that that person can never be reformed, not giving them the chance to ever change. That sentence will reviewed on an ongoing basis and he will be kept in if there is a risk he will reoffend but he is a human and we need to try and get to the bottom of why he did what he did and change him if at all possible. If we can understand that it will help make changes in society at large that will prevent future mass murders of the same type. And as others have said below it's unlikely he will actually ever be released as it will always be determined be needs to stay in or is an ongoing risk but he at least deserves the respect of it being reviewed.
@Petaurista13
@Petaurista13 2 жыл бұрын
Brevik won't be reformed.
@theghostofspookwagen4715
@theghostofspookwagen4715 2 жыл бұрын
@@Petaurista13 Yeah, and for that reason he won't be let out either. According to the other comments, once his 20 years are up he will be re-evaluated, and if he's found to not be sufficiently rehabilitated, he will continue to stay for a certain period of time, then be re-evaluated again, and so on.
@Petaurista13
@Petaurista13 2 жыл бұрын
@@theghostofspookwagen4715 Similarly to Poland but contrary to Norway here we need decision about mental problems related to crime they were sentenced for (if you murdered person having depression of phobia you're good to go, but if person raped kid and was diagnosed with pedophilia it's possible reason). If person is dangerous to others after prison time he/she can be sent to KOZZD. If I remember right evaluation can be made every half year. In practice first person left it in 2019, 5 years after it was created.
@sarajleigh
@sarajleigh 3 жыл бұрын
Giiirl I live in Austria and our prison is like a hotel, my boyfriend was in prison until October 2020, if you want some information about our prisons, just hit me up, i can't believe the difference to your prisons😅
@taterthot9372
@taterthot9372 3 жыл бұрын
Did it seem effective? :)
@saraholschewski5331
@saraholschewski5331 3 жыл бұрын
Really? I dont know much about our prison system but there were a few rape and neglect cases in youth prison 😔
@mrs.elentz2336
@mrs.elentz2336 3 жыл бұрын
That'd be cool if she interviewed your boyfriend to learn about the prison system in Austria... she could make it a whole series!!
@Waywardwindfall
@Waywardwindfall 3 жыл бұрын
Even if Jess doesn’t want to know, I do.
@FragranceEuphoria
@FragranceEuphoria 3 жыл бұрын
Jessica, You should react to the minimum security prison in Norway, they inmates get to leave the prison and go on dates at night and come back for the day. They also can ubereats and doordash food and have someone get groceries for them of whatever they want. It's awesome.
@ajnelson30
@ajnelson30 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like treating an inmate with respect is the best first step to rehabilitation because it shows that they are still human and have a chance
@lindsleigh23
@lindsleigh23 3 жыл бұрын
Being able to spend time with their families really got to me. When my sister went to prison for 2 years, I took in her 5 month old baby girl. The only way we could visit with her was a separate building from the prison itself to have a video call in a room full of other families doing the same with two guards walking around. My niece started getting fussy because she didn’t understand seeing her mom through a screen and only being able to hear her voice through a nasty phone so she cried, one of the other family members and a guard both told me to “shut that baby up” and it honestly was one of the worst experiences. It was that way every single visit. It got to a point I just couldn’t bring my niece with me any more which devastated my sister and then I personally couldn’t handle having someone stand over me while talking to her while watching her in distress so I stopped going to and just stuck to emailing my sister every day. It was so uncomfortable.
@Petaurista13
@Petaurista13 2 жыл бұрын
I believe your sister isn't most known XXI centaury mas murderer. Brevik is and he's cause of why many families will never be able to spend time with their kids.
@ecvjtv2778
@ecvjtv2778 Жыл бұрын
Damn. As a Scandinavian, I feel really sorry for you Americans :(
@andrewellis3447
@andrewellis3447 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, just wanted to say thanks for taking your past challenges and using them to help educate others. This is what life is all about, using our mistakes to become better people. You’re a great inspiration. Thank you.
@jesslikescoffee24
@jesslikescoffee24 3 жыл бұрын
I think this prison was on that “worlds worst prisons” show on netflix, but as an opposing “best prison.” So there’s an hour-ish long episode on netflix if you want a bit more info.
@Maiken2589
@Maiken2589 3 жыл бұрын
You are right! I loved that episode, I live 15 minutes away from Halden prison so it was super interesting to watch!
@heidiho5179
@heidiho5179 3 жыл бұрын
Cool! I’m glad they provided a counterpoint.
@fcmeilo955
@fcmeilo955 2 ай бұрын
but greenland prison was better 😊
@alegria1813
@alegria1813 3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love Norway. They know how to run a country. I wanna cry THIS is how you treat people. It's sad to see that some most people think that basic respect and a decent lifestyle + rehab are a luxury.
@morgianasartre6709
@morgianasartre6709 3 жыл бұрын
I mean, that's easy to say when you are not the victim, when it's someone who raped you and killed your whole family, you would most likely not be happy with them having basic respect and a decent lifestyle.
@FruityHachi
@FruityHachi 3 жыл бұрын
@@morgianasartre6709 exactly, the people defending this model are not the victims of any serious crime and their loved ones weren't raped or killed
@morgianasartre6709
@morgianasartre6709 3 жыл бұрын
@@FruityHachi I am definately not against this model overall and do believe putting people to work and teaching them some skills + psychological help is the only way for them to be functional when/if they get out, but some do not deserve that, maybe they should be able to get that over time if they show remorse and willingness to change.
@FruityHachi
@FruityHachi 3 жыл бұрын
@@morgianasartre6709 yeah i'm not against this model for petty crimes or people who killed out of self-defense but rapists, serial killers, mass murderers and people who killed for greed/joy don't deserve to be treated humanely even if they express remorse and willingness to change because they can just lie and manipulate
@FullmoonPhantom-dn2sr
@FullmoonPhantom-dn2sr 3 жыл бұрын
@@morgianasartre6709 I've been raped as a child. I would want my rapist reformed not also raped, tortured, killed, etc like so many others. I wanted to be away from him and I don't want him to re-offend, but if it was possible to reform him, that's what I’d want. Why? Because if he's reformed he won't hurt people anymore and the world will be safer even by a tiny bit. I also can't help wondering why he did what he did. I wonder if he must’ve been hurt by someone too. People like that need help. They need to be rehabilitated. Someone else in the comments also talked about their brother’s murder and how even though that happened they also wanted the people involved to be rehabilitated and felt not just one person lost their life that day, but 3. So much so they wrote a letter for their parole when parole was offered to the inmates saying if the psychologists for these inmates believed they wouldn't re-offend then the victim would be on board with their parole. There's 2 people right there who believe in rehabilitation who were also victims.
@plumbranch2493
@plumbranch2493 3 жыл бұрын
The serial Killer is going to stay in prison forever because the sentence is extendable. He is a danger to society so he wont be let go.
@thanossnap4170
@thanossnap4170 3 жыл бұрын
Adding to that, he would never walk the streets here safe ever again. Imagine being released in a country where every single person hates you with 100 % fury. He would be assaulted or murdered the first week he got out. He's never getting out.
@h06anbjo
@h06anbjo 3 жыл бұрын
@@thanossnap4170 Yeah, it's actually safer for him in prison than outside of it.. We're protected from him and he's protected from us..
@soevnie6090
@soevnie6090 3 жыл бұрын
The thing about our prisons in Norway is that if you are extremely dangerous to the public and yourself you could get a re-sentence, or if you still get out might be under surveillance, in the case of Anders Behring Breivik, born 13 February 1979, legally known since 2017 as Fjotolf Hansen, if he does not get a re-sentence will be under high surveillance for a long time, since he killed over 70 people.
@sallyconnolly7874
@sallyconnolly7874 3 жыл бұрын
This prison is alot more civil than the 11 months I spent in a mental health unit! ( UK)
@lenasamanthagraham
@lenasamanthagraham 3 жыл бұрын
Anders is never coming out, he Will not be released before he is rehabilitated, something he is never gong to be. So even if he only got 21 years, he Will never get out.
@feliciaaviles3622
@feliciaaviles3622 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with "if you treat a man like an animal he's going to act like an animal." I can completely relate.
@jessicah3450
@jessicah3450 3 жыл бұрын
That's an insult to animals though, humans are the cruelest animals by far.
@nugget3231
@nugget3231 3 жыл бұрын
@@jessicah3450 haha yea
@simonhallin8909
@simonhallin8909 3 жыл бұрын
In Sweden, many inmates also have much freedom, though not as much as this particular prison, but just as Norway, we have educational programs to help inmates learn and complete degress while in prison, and they even get a small salary for it. The point of prision is temporarly removing bad people from the open society and give them help, while also restricting their freedom, but how can you return to society as a normal person wanting to do better, if you have been treated as an animal. You never know the circumstances of someones crime Prison = Rehabilitation
@hmvollbanane1259
@hmvollbanane1259 2 жыл бұрын
Same in Germany. I think the big difference is the goal of our prison systems. Here its sole goal is to protect society from dangerous individuals, which therefore includes a strong emphasis on rehabilitation, whereas in the USA it is about punishment
@ofsoundmind143
@ofsoundmind143 3 жыл бұрын
Especially the way a person is treated BEFORE being found guilty in the US. Lives have been totally ruined simply from being wrongly accused, I don’t support criminal actions but I do support due process.
@lpdude2005
@lpdude2005 3 жыл бұрын
21 years is not 21 years. Serious criminals who kill several or have repeated crimes receive a 21-year custodial sentence. They have to apply every 10 years for the possibility of release and can actually get a life sentence in prison. He who killed 74 people will not come out after 21 years - guaranteed.
@michelle3445
@michelle3445 3 жыл бұрын
They said the serial killer’s sentence was 21 years, but its extendable.
@heidiho5179
@heidiho5179 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like we are preaching to the choir here, which is great. I love this space. I wish there was some way to convince others that taking the least well adjusted, most marginalized people in society and stigmatizing and traumatizing them more doesn’t help anything. I guess I should just be glad hateful people haven’t taken over the discussion, thus far.
@alexibrown8932
@alexibrown8932 3 жыл бұрын
My mom was in and out of the system for most of my life. She took her life experiences and blamed them on those around her, and I want to say, you make me so happy. I wish my mom would have self reflected about being a parent and risen for me, the way you did for your daughter. I’m not mad at my mom for being an addict, or spending time in jail away from me, or any of that. I’m mad that she cheats and uses, even sober, and that no matter what she won’t become a better person. You’re story reminds me of how much better people can be in a similar situation. Thank you for your content♥️. Also, fight the prison industrial complex, you go girl👏
@lauraschutt9556
@lauraschutt9556 3 жыл бұрын
Danish person here, we have almost the same system. (If I'm wrong please correct me) but with serial killers they are not gonna get out after the 21 years have passed, once they have served their sentence, it will most likely get extended and they probably won't get out. Life is usually about 16-21 years but their sentence will be extended after this time has passed.
@Jasmin-do2fm
@Jasmin-do2fm 3 жыл бұрын
exactly! i’m from denmark as well and that’s true, i think in some rare cases they will get out after those 21 years but most times it will get extended to their whole life
@lauraschutt9556
@lauraschutt9556 3 жыл бұрын
@@Jasmin-do2fm Yeah, thank you for confirming, I was thinking of the case with Peter Madsen when I wrote this and I don't think he'll get out any time soon !
@Jasmin-do2fm
@Jasmin-do2fm 3 жыл бұрын
@@lauraschutt9556 no problem:) and yeah exactly. i don’t think he’ll get out any time soon either, i really hope that he’ll never get out
@tinatullin879
@tinatullin879 3 жыл бұрын
Same in Norway.
@queenigelkotte
@queenigelkotte 3 жыл бұрын
Same in Sweden, some people never get out, we just dont want to give them 'life' from the beginning :)
@miasophie6993
@miasophie6993 3 жыл бұрын
As i understand it, the maximum time being able to be given in norway is just 21 years, but as said, the time is extendible, which will most definitely happen, especially because his case is very different and special.
@ingobaby1
@ingobaby1 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, you’re spot on! He will never be released. It’s just a formality that the maximum is 21 years. If there is a risk of the person reoffending, they will get additional time, and that it certainly the case with Breivik.
@gabbihodge2474
@gabbihodge2474 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like people in the USA wouldn’t accept a system like this because then the prisons would be nicer than a lot of people’s living conditions. And they wouldn’t realise that that is a WHOLE other problem that they also shouldn’t be ok with. We shouldn’t be holding other people down because our lives suck. We should fight to ALL be treated as human beings with basic rights and standards of living
@jw_023
@jw_023 3 жыл бұрын
If America ever even tried to implement a system similar to this you’d have a lot of people intentionally trying to get thrown in jail because they’re so far into poverty on the outside. Quality of life is a HUGE issue in certain parts of America and it’s likely never going to change, not as long a capitalism is a thing, prisons make too much money for that.
@riley9703
@riley9703 3 жыл бұрын
@@jw_023 mannnn I already have heard so many stories of homeless people who purposely get arrested because prison is better than the streets.... :(((
@jw_023
@jw_023 3 жыл бұрын
@@riley9703 Isn’t that sad? Under the current system American prisoners are literally treated as less-than-human yet people still prefer that sometimes, often out of necessity. It’s crazy to me that one of the richest countries in the world forces so many of it’s citizens to live way below the poverty line.
@jessicah3450
@jessicah3450 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Prison kind of replaced affordable housing programs in the US, which is terrible.
@MissCaraMint
@MissCaraMint 3 жыл бұрын
@@jw_023 You should look up Little Scandinavia then. People ARE trying this out in the states. So far it's gone just fine.
@shannoncarter6395
@shannoncarter6395 2 жыл бұрын
Hey girl I just saw the video below about baby daddy and comments were shut off but it really hits home with me and my situation with my sons bio father so i literally just had to try to tell you that you are amazing and you're doing awesome with a really terrible awful situation. You literally amaze me with every word you speak and I just wanted to try and show you some support.
@fridish24
@fridish24 3 жыл бұрын
My city lost a teenage boy to the man who killed 77 people, we have this place where we put flowers and bouquets on important dates, this year on 22nd of July it’s going to be 10 years ago. The teens who died that day will never be forgotten.
@attesmatte
@attesmatte 3 жыл бұрын
I will never forget that day... It was horrific! 💔💔
@teddypeony185
@teddypeony185 3 жыл бұрын
Amen!! I am sorry for your loss. My family lost friends to him too. It was horrible day. My cousin's boyfriend even was working with the Red cross in the aftermath. I will never forget that day.
@gerarduspoppel2831
@gerarduspoppel2831 3 жыл бұрын
I still can't believe it happened. it's just so awful
@waterproof4403
@waterproof4403 3 жыл бұрын
Oh God
@ingunnh8026
@ingunnh8026 3 жыл бұрын
Aldri❤️
@Henoik
@Henoik 3 жыл бұрын
Great reaction and good thoughts! The Norwegian model is really costly, but as you say, it is effective. In Norway, we realize that no one person is inherently evil; they were just dealt the wrong cards in the game of life. It's more important to rehabilitate criminals than to punish them for the sake of punishment. Punishment itself isn't productive for neither the individual nor the society as a whole, and if that's your model, there's really no reason to not kill every criminal outright. I deem that more productive for society than to just punish for seemingly no reason. As for the maximum sentence, it's kinda faulty to say it's 21 years. Yes, the maximum fixed sentence is 21 years imprisonment. However, we have something called special detention ("forvaring" in Norwegian), which means that the sentence that you're given (for example 15 years) can be extended for 5 years at a time by the supreme court. If there's no reason to believe that the convicted will re-offend or otherwise be a danger to society, there really is no reason to keep them imprisoned. If you seriously mean that any crime at all constitutes life without parole, by default, and as a pre-judgment, then what is the rationale about not having the state just kill that person outright? The convicted won't get out of prison anyway, and keeping him in prison is then just exposing the society to more danger, and using a lot of money. So yeah, life sentence makes even less sense than a death sentence, rationally speaking. You compare vehicular manslaughter to serial killing, but you somehow don't compare first-degree murder to serial killing. This tells me you are insinuating that intent is what makes it okay to incarcerate someone indefinitely. Then you're missing the whole point: For someone who did not intend to commit a crime, there really is nothing to rehabilitate, or, at least not to the extent of that of someone who intentionally committed a crime. A terrorist obviously needs to be rehabilitated, and if, for some reason, the terrorist is deemed not rehabilitated by the end of their sentence, what's stopping you for extending the sentence 5 years at a time until they're either rehabilitated or dead? Also, the crime the terrorist committed was an isolated incident - he was not a serial killer per se, but he killed 69 people on an island and 8 people in a bomb attack all in one and the same terrorist attack. Also, I feel like a lot of Norwegians think that "justice for the families/victims" is a bunch of BS, because nothing will bring them justice in a criminal case -- in a civil lawsuit, sure, but a criminal case? No.
@paxundpeace9970
@paxundpeace9970 3 жыл бұрын
In total Norway is spending less. Because they only have a fee inmates
@Henoik
@Henoik 3 жыл бұрын
@@paxundpeace9970 Well, yeah, but we still spend more per inmate and per capita than you guys. So proportionally speaking, we spend more. The total costs is irrelevant when you're talking about countries with such vast differences in size and population
@spottedhyena816
@spottedhyena816 3 жыл бұрын
I know it sounds bizarre but in the American justice system a prisoner sentenced to life without parole will actually cost a lot less on average than someone sentenced to death. Because someone with the death sentence (unlike life without parole) is basically guaranteed a lengthy appeals process, which means huge legal costs to the system, as well as increased ”housing” cost since they usually have separate facilities from other inmates. I completely agree with your other points though.
@Henoik
@Henoik 3 жыл бұрын
@@spottedhyena816 Well, with death sentence I don't mean a death sentence like you practice it today. I mean pretty much immediate death sentence after sentencing, which is, of course extremely fucked up, but it's still less fucked up than your prison system overall
@Luredreier
@Luredreier 3 жыл бұрын
@@Henoik We might spend more pr inmate on the prisons. But we spend less on their entire lifetime indirectly as a society. We don't have to pay for the victims of crimes they would have commited after being released, people who are so broken that they can't contribute to society or who would be bad parents because of mental problems causing mental problems to further spread through society. We don't have as much damage to property. We have fewer families losing their loved ones who where murdered. We have less need to anti-crime measures like guards, cameras etc, they still exist but on on the same scale as in some other countries where it's *common* to have guards at the entrance of residential buildings. We have more people paying taxes, both the victims that would have been, and the criminals themselves. And they can be there for their own families once they come out, reducing the number of *those* that end up broken, potentially with members who might have ended commiting crimes of their own down the road due to the impact of their parents or loved ones punishments. So all in all I think it's a sound investment from that point of view. And add to that the whole part about us being a better society because of this. Less hatefull, more understanding. Death penalty might reduce the costs of keeping people in prison and of the new crimes they might commit. But we'd still leave the families of the person convicted broken and potentially commiting new crimes. We'd still create hatred in our society. And we would have been worse for it.
@megan7506
@megan7506 3 жыл бұрын
It’s literally a dorm room! Isn’t it crazy some counties treat their prison inmates like HUMAN BEINGS?
@defnotatroll
@defnotatroll 3 жыл бұрын
Does someone who kills/rapes tens of people for example deserve to be treated like a human being though? They shouldn't be treated like animals of course but they don't deserve to be living in luxury
@Blakeontherise
@Blakeontherise 3 жыл бұрын
Isn’t this such a crazy concept 🤦🏻 America get on Norway’s level!
@itsnotaricaria
@itsnotaricaria 3 жыл бұрын
@@defnotatroll Human dignity shall be inviolable, it does not matter how bad of a person they are or what kind of mental illnesses they have. A lot of countries in europe believe that taking away their freedom is enough of a sentence.
@defnotatroll
@defnotatroll 3 жыл бұрын
@@itsnotaricaria if someone killed my whole family I wouldn't think sending them to a permanent student residence is a big enough punishment. I respect your opinion though, we can agree to disagree
@jenna4932
@jenna4932 3 жыл бұрын
There are a few issues here. The main one being money. People do NOT like paying taxes and having a prison that costs that much more will never work here. People don't want to pay to feed hungry children stating it's the parents responsibility (which it is) but with the stigma associated with people going to prison no way. It's the attitude about the way people in jail deserve nothing and not enough money to pay for social programs for people trying to do the right thing. I think Norway goes a little far with this.
@AlexGarcia-co1ec
@AlexGarcia-co1ec 2 жыл бұрын
Loved this reaction, and wished it was longer! Also wish I could sit down and discuss this with someone like you, and with your background/experience. Really intriguing, and I agree with so much of what you said. The American system definitely needs to be reformed.
@Fabi-es1xy
@Fabi-es1xy 2 жыл бұрын
well that's rather unrealistic to ever happen
@AlexGarcia-co1ec
@AlexGarcia-co1ec 2 жыл бұрын
@@Fabi-es1xy So what?
@Fabi-es1xy
@Fabi-es1xy 2 жыл бұрын
@@AlexGarcia-co1ec so there is no need for us to be optimistic
@aaronhall8497
@aaronhall8497 3 жыл бұрын
I was a deputy for 4 years (corrections and patrol). I think you are awesome and make very valid points! I would also love to see you make a video about women killing their abusers. Thanks for what you do!
@Fallenintospacey
@Fallenintospacey 3 жыл бұрын
Sadly where I live, most prisons have more luxury than most nursing homes. Really, prisoners get to shower more often than people living in nursing homes for example.
@milagroscapomasi8525
@milagroscapomasi8525 3 жыл бұрын
Where is that?
@Fallenintospacey
@Fallenintospacey 3 жыл бұрын
@@milagroscapomasi8525 The Netherlands
@Veronica-ew8yc
@Veronica-ew8yc 3 жыл бұрын
Sadly true same Inn Finland
@glengamble526
@glengamble526 3 жыл бұрын
Great job, Jess! Norway also closed a bunch of their prisons fairly recently, as they were just sitting there, empty-and causing a tonne of expenses for prison guard salaries etc. Their crime rate has dropped dramatically. I’ve been there and it’s a super clean, super safe country.
@shiny_x3
@shiny_x3 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for pointing out the stress on families. People have no idea. They only think of the prisoner and not everyone that is connected to them and how hard and expensive the prisons make it to maintain connection.
@beccastandley9753
@beccastandley9753 3 жыл бұрын
I was in and out of jail and treatment for years and finally got clean for good 2 years ago. You are so right it’s the little things that they do to dehumanize you, They way they yell for no reason, the snide comments. I remember sitting in jail thinking if I could just have a window I would be so grateful to see what it looks like outside right now. I think what finally made “it” click for me to stay sober was the last treatment I went to I checked myself into. They treated everyone so kind and I could leave anytime I wanted. I was there because I wanted to be and I was treated with respect. It makes a world of difference when you are trying to turn your life around to actually feel like you matter.
@fernandavial9908
@fernandavial9908 3 жыл бұрын
It gives me a lot of confidence to see you give an unbiased review on this while maintaining your ideals and defending the cause of prison reform with reasonable arguments and facts. I think this approach is what will ultimately convince people that are still on the fence on this issue and dont quite know where to stand. I think it might even convince some people that are against prison reform because you address and validate the concerns they may have: making people feel listened to makes them want to listen back. Great video. Love from Chile
@august_is_gay8285
@august_is_gay8285 3 жыл бұрын
The one dislike is from someone who wishes they lived in Norway
@Jaredsreviews
@Jaredsreviews 3 жыл бұрын
Or a Russian 🤣
@coeuznatas
@coeuznatas 11 ай бұрын
You're 100 % on all your comments, very insightfull!
@gruene-eule
@gruene-eule 3 жыл бұрын
My mother works at a prison (in Germany) I'd say it's the middle ground between USA and Norway, with a tendency to Norway. Her inmates don't have their own kitchen but they have their own TVs in their cells. Also, my mom works there as a teacher and everybody has the opportunity to go to school. It's recommended for inmates who didn't finish school, because the chances they will come back in are smaller when they have an education. It makes it easier for them to find a job or an Apartment.
@karalinell9736
@karalinell9736 3 жыл бұрын
My father is serving a life sentence for murdering my mother. About 15 years ago I found out that he was receiving HVAC technician training in prison. The same training I was trying to get for my husband (now ex) but we couldn't afford it. I'm all for prisons being more humane but our society should be more humane too (less people going to prison in the first place). Prisoners shouldn't get benefits that aren't offered to the rest of society.
@emmacat3202
@emmacat3202 3 жыл бұрын
This! I am paying my student loans off by working two jobs, yet there are violent criminals who get a free degree. It's messed up.
@marianneschitz2429
@marianneschitz2429 3 жыл бұрын
Here in Norway most education is free. We have private schools as well, but it is possible for everyone to get an education for free ☺️
@emmacat3202
@emmacat3202 3 жыл бұрын
@@marianneschitz2429 yes, but the U.S. is backwards. Plus, there are free college programs in the U.S. in some prisons.
@marianneschitz2429
@marianneschitz2429 3 жыл бұрын
@@emmacat3202 I understand, that don`t seems fair. It should be the same opportunities for everyone ☺️. I admire you for educating yourself and having two jobs 🥰
@marianneschitz2429
@marianneschitz2429 3 жыл бұрын
There should be same oppotunities for everybody ☺️. I hope you are doing well, it must have been terrifying and devestating to go through loss of your mother and also in a way your father. Wish you all the best 🥰
@Sanderhhan
@Sanderhhan 3 жыл бұрын
Dude Anders brevik( the guy from Norway who killed 77 people) has more than 21 years in prison! Yes, he got the maximum sentence of 21 years , but he also got 10 years added on the sentence because he said he would do it again!
@christinevr7698
@christinevr7698 2 жыл бұрын
I subscribed to you because I am so thrilled to see your work in prison reform. So much can be done, and I admire your work to move forward to a better system that EVERYONE in society will benefit from. I saw this video of the Norwegian prison system and it opened my eyes. I wish you continued strong success in your goals. Every step changes thousands, maybe millions, of lives in the future. ❤️🇨🇦
@ryanstandley616
@ryanstandley616 3 жыл бұрын
This is an awesome way of reconstructing it. Showing them how to live and treat others. This actually prepares them for a life away from crime.
@VikingNorway-pb5tm829
@VikingNorway-pb5tm829 3 жыл бұрын
Yes :)
@emmawolfe7711
@emmawolfe7711 3 жыл бұрын
10/10 need to do more of these babe! Super interesting and also the women killing their abusers would love to see a video on that ! 💕 love love looooveee your stories and videos
@sunshine3914
@sunshine3914 3 жыл бұрын
Less than 3 minutes in & he already lives better than I do.
@GlitchCityPromo
@GlitchCityPromo 3 жыл бұрын
I took a tour of jail as part of a psychology class in highschool. What struck me was how dehumanized the inmates were. They made them stand and face the wall whenever we were anywhere near so that they couldn't "get us" like they were gonna attack random high schoolers
@rosemarybelladonna4942
@rosemarybelladonna4942 3 жыл бұрын
Please react to Mexico, we have a big problem here. It’s all o out how much money you have, except if your case is really big news, for example, recently they caught a serial killer and the prisioners of “Barrientos” tried to kill him. So there are some instances where money can’t buy safety but they are limited
@Kat-qb1uj
@Kat-qb1uj 3 жыл бұрын
Yep I believe it
@Kat-qb1uj
@Kat-qb1uj 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve heard even when you get pulled over for something you can pay off the cop
@IISuzakuII
@IISuzakuII 3 жыл бұрын
Wrong to Strong pretty much covered that.
@CorgiDaddy2
@CorgiDaddy2 3 жыл бұрын
@@Kat-qb1uj This actually happened to my sister's boyfriend when we were all down there for vacation.
@rosemarybelladonna4942
@rosemarybelladonna4942 3 жыл бұрын
@@Kat-qb1uj yeah, you pretty much can, un cdmx we call it “mordida” (bite), sometimes the cops ask you for it in order to turn a blind eye
@alexanderstahlner583
@alexanderstahlner583 3 жыл бұрын
I live like two hours drive from that prison so cool to see you react to something in my part of the world.
@lilymoss-yerg9666
@lilymoss-yerg9666 3 жыл бұрын
Well looks like if I commit a crime I’ll do it in Norway (jk I’m not gonna do any crimes)
@evelinaroth616
@evelinaroth616 3 жыл бұрын
Do it in Sweden instead and you'll probably get away with it as long that you dont smoke weed.
@Waywardwindfall
@Waywardwindfall 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure if you are American. But you are one “wrong place at the wrong time” situation away from committing a crime. But what’s more scary is being in that same wrong place during that same wrong time and being INNOCENT. Juries are out here convicting people with Fox News headlines. My peers are morons and don’t know the law.
@Black.Spades
@Black.Spades 3 жыл бұрын
@@Waywardwindfall I don't know how often those "citizen" jury trials happen in real life, but I never understood them. You take random civilians who know nothing about law, and let them judge the situation? The whole trial feels more lika a reality show trying to work on your feels, rather than presenting facts and evidence.
@Waywardwindfall
@Waywardwindfall 3 жыл бұрын
@@Black.Spades I mean as long as you don’t plea out, you are going to trial. The problem is that the jury doesn’t account for the human minds negative bias. They walk in there wanting guilt. They was proof that the crime happened. Innocent until proven isn’t real. It’s not the standard because your mind is SUPPOSED to fill in the gaps. And give you info. Even if it’s not true. Let’s not even discuss that if the police think you did it, they are not gathering info to prove you didn’t. There are a LOT of innocent people in jail because their peers are MORONS. One example is Todd Mullis. He 100% didn’t kill his wife. People who don’t believe in mental illness are out here saying “he looked too cold”. But if he had fallen out, they would have said he was faking. Jury trial is awful. American justice is for real only for TV. Justice in America isn’t real.
@kristianstave3904
@kristianstave3904 3 жыл бұрын
Hello. Norwegian here who knows enough about norwegian punishment and sentencing to say that even though ABB (Norwegian mass murderer) was sentenced to 21 years that sentence can be extended for the same amount up to 5 times and he probably won't ever get out because if he walks out on the street he will be shot
@adriannamarieakaad9384
@adriannamarieakaad9384 3 жыл бұрын
I did 5 years in CA. I've LOVED the Nordic model since I heard about it. Thank you for using your voice and platform to change stereotypes and remove the stigma of being incarcerated ❤❤
@jpc3603
@jpc3603 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not saying this to be controversial but if we live in a society that is going to have prisons, I don't agree that they should be equipped with things many people on the outside working their arses off can't afford. The US model is disgustingly inhumane -metal toilets etc and horrendous beds- just no, but I also don't think it should look like a four star hotel. However, what I like about the Norwegian model is teaching people skills and an emphasis on actual rehabilitation and treating a person with dignity.
@sternchen6596
@sternchen6596 3 жыл бұрын
In Europe we have functioning social systems so I don't think theyre living that much better than rlly poor people
@eva_pe
@eva_pe 3 жыл бұрын
We also have less reincidence in Norway. It's not like just because prisons are nice, people want to go back to them! 😅
@jpc3603
@jpc3603 3 жыл бұрын
@@sternchen6596 hi Anne, I am actually commenting from Europe, I do not agree with this statement as many people all over Europe are living in impoverished conditions in over crowded housing. Even in Netherlands look at where a lot of people of Surinamese descent have to live or look at Grenfell Tower which burned down in UK. Very bad conditions despite social services.
@noora-jc7dm
@noora-jc7dm 3 жыл бұрын
@@jpc3603 i think they were talking more about the scandinavian/nordic countries, not all europe :)
@wiretamer5710
@wiretamer5710 3 жыл бұрын
Very strange... Norway's person system is HIGHLY SUCCSSFUL the US system is a train wreck. A prison system is not designed to please citizens, it is designed to reform criminals. The ONLY thing that matters, is the system works... personal likes and dislikes are irrelavent.
@elliieeify3796
@elliieeify3796 3 жыл бұрын
But don’t forget, not every Norway prison looks like this 😅
@LucieCornelia
@LucieCornelia 3 жыл бұрын
But most
@annamteistedalgjtterud3385
@annamteistedalgjtterud3385 3 жыл бұрын
But this is MAXIMUM security, and the laws and advise of how they should treat the prisoners are the same
@liljemari
@liljemari 3 жыл бұрын
@@LucieCornelia nah, these are the newly built, super fancy ones. And he ones that are shown off and bragged about. we have a bunch of older prisons that arent even close to as fancy as this one. That being said, they still follow the same idea of rehabilitation, and that the prisoner should be a better person leaving than they where arriving. And our worst is probably still better than many countries bests
@LucieCornelia
@LucieCornelia 3 жыл бұрын
@@liljemari I know. I live in Norway but i haven't seen a lot of prisons, mostly the ones on TV and such. What prisons are you referring to?
@paxundpeace9970
@paxundpeace9970 3 жыл бұрын
Still the principles are quite the same..
@moriahlyn
@moriahlyn 3 жыл бұрын
Treating someone that has done something bad like trash and expecting them to think they can be better is pretty insane. Teaching them pride and how to care for themselves is great. Just not sure how well it would work on a large scale
@annafiline3255
@annafiline3255 3 жыл бұрын
Please do Germany next! I‘m from Germany myself but I barely know anything about our system, plus your opinion on it would be really interesting:) much love 💕
@Xaviinn
@Xaviinn 3 жыл бұрын
I’m Swedish and my dad was in prison here in Sweden when I was very young, I remember that he had his own cell with a tv (one of those really thick TVs because this was sometime before 2009) and a GameCube he bought, I also remember playing mini golf when I came to visit. My mom has also told me that she bought him a stress-ball shaped like a boob when he was in there. I’m very glad that prisons here are the way they are and that inmates are treated like humans
@NightmareTrash88
@NightmareTrash88 3 жыл бұрын
That sounds great, here in the United States my dad was in jail for a year then was transferred to a medium security prison I never visited him because this was in the 90’s before I was born and he told me stories about his time In there the guards were horrible they didn’t care about the inmates he told me that there was a guy that had acute pancreatic in his pod and he had. Stomach pains that would be so bad that he wouldn’t even leave his cell guards didn’t even care to check up on him they just let him to suffer. prison is fucked here man
@Rick_Cleland
@Rick_Cleland 3 жыл бұрын
I want a Jessica Kent garden gnome.
@zinniaward8549
@zinniaward8549 3 жыл бұрын
Hmm?
@JessicaKent
@JessicaKent 3 жыл бұрын
Rick 🤣
@k.kapelli
@k.kapelli 3 жыл бұрын
OMGEE, I'm dying! That would be so cute.
@katekennedy2550
@katekennedy2550 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure how well Jessica would be at protecting a garden as a garden gnome but having Jen as a garden gnome protecting your garden that would be amazing however I do need a Jessica Kent cookbook
@mootymootmoot1679
@mootymootmoot1679 3 жыл бұрын
Could be onto something here, a bit of a niche market prison youtubers pops or garden gnomes Jess kent & reece, Christina randall, josh 23&1 w/grizzy, aps, eos, brian bounce back b, larry lawton i know there is so many more that I've missed but would be good to see that happen
@paulagarcia3385
@paulagarcia3385 3 жыл бұрын
Wow I think this is so needed. They still need to be treated as people. When respected and treated with kindness this can help change their lives.
@BubblyViolin11
@BubblyViolin11 3 жыл бұрын
I’d be interested in total numbers in terms of cost that includes the recidivism rates. The US may only spend 31k compared to Norway’s 93k, but with the recidivism rates in the US it’s likely even more costly per person in the States because so many reoffend and do so multiple times. Doing the math, if someone in the US reoffends 3 times, we’re spending the same amount of money on that one individual with no return on investment. If that person reoffends a 4th time, we’ll have exceeded Norway’s 93k on just one person and that person may come to reoffend a 5th time. From a money standpoint, spending more could save more in the long run. Pair that with stronger social programs (like funding healthcare, schools, social work, and job creation), our crime rates would likely go down significantly over time.
@kiratheusagiisworkshop5266
@kiratheusagiisworkshop5266 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah the difference ain't really the money, it's the reoffending rate. Because the more times someone reoffend, the more money it's costing. So Norway may pay a higher price per inmate but they save that money when they don't reoffend as much as American prisoners.
@Luredreier
@Luredreier 3 жыл бұрын
The cost for just the people in prison is roughly the same from what I understand, but society at large ends up saving a lot due to not having the costs of the crimes being commited, less people with mental problems to victims, less damage to property, more economic activity, more money paid in taxes and so one and so forth.
@Luredreier
@Luredreier 3 жыл бұрын
@@kiratheusagiisworkshop5266 Even if you assume that you end up paying more pr prisoners then you save in number of prisoners in the jail with that lower cost, you still end up saving more due to the reduced costs to society of those crimes that does not occure due to a low recidivism rate. If less people are raped you end up with less people with mental problems caused by those rapes. If less people are murdered, you have fewer broken families losing a loved one. The people who are not killed or permanently damaged can pay more in taxes, raise healthier children and contribute more to society. Less crimes also means less damage to property, damaged doors etc... And you need less crime fighting measures. Fewer security cameras, less guards etc to keep people and property safe.
@MotRi1986
@MotRi1986 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly this, less inmates means more potential tax payers, more people that have money to spend in their local areas etc. They are able to ad economical value to the society by simply doing a job instead of been a burden.
@stevecannon4780
@stevecannon4780 3 жыл бұрын
This is the kind of society we should have in the US, but for one political party.
@henningfuruseth5872
@henningfuruseth5872 3 жыл бұрын
After 21 years, when you are in custody, you can have the sentence extended by five years at a time, in theory until death. This is the difference in relation to ordinary prison, where one must be released after serving time
@HummingbirdSound
@HummingbirdSound 3 жыл бұрын
The life sentence in most European countries is between 19 and 25 years in prison. There is no such thing as "until you die". And with good behaviour, most lifetime inmates can even get out after 10-15 years if the system allows it. In only very few cases can the sentence be extended above the 25 years and it usually takes a huge ammount of work to make it happen (and even then, it's only for a 2 to 10 year extension, never another 25 years).
@Wild.Flower
@Wild.Flower 3 жыл бұрын
So many people who commit a crime do so because they don't have a nice life, or the hope of a nice life. Showing them how life can be if they take different actions is vital. Once you've experienced a nice, clean, smart place to live with people around you who treat you well, you damn put in that effort to make that for yourself. You want to study, to learn skills, to work on your shadow parts. You get out and the motivation is there, and you're equipt. Treating people who already have mental health issues like trash will only confirm what they think about themselves, they will get out feeling even more hopeless than when they went in.
@marianarivera3729
@marianarivera3729 3 жыл бұрын
Please react to "la cárcel de San Pedro" un Bolivia, it's a prison that works like a city, so the government doesn't have to maintain it, and it's also one of the most dangerous prisons of the world
@Black.Spades
@Black.Spades 3 жыл бұрын
I saw that one a while ago. It was like a horror story.
@SerryDebo
@SerryDebo 3 жыл бұрын
About the killer of 77 people getting out. You have to consider that in Norway that is the ONLY case of mass shooting. After that, they gathered all the guns and pistols and BURNED THEM. So even if the guy is getting out (very low chance because as someone else said,21 years is the first time they can reconsider the case, not when he is getting out) it will be very hard for him to reoffend.
@smileygangsters
@smileygangsters 3 жыл бұрын
Nah, we still have guns. Norway actually has 14th most guns per capita in the world. We just take better care of the mentally ill than the us. And have strict rules on how to keep guns and who are allowed to own one
@HyperfixationOfTheDay
@HyperfixationOfTheDay 3 жыл бұрын
@@smileygangsters Yup. We have a different culture around guns, too. Guns are for recreation at a shooting range, and for hunting with a licence. That's it.
@SerryDebo
@SerryDebo 3 жыл бұрын
@@smileygangsters I read somewhere about this, but maybe got confused. So thanks for the info. By the way here in Italy is the same, there are really strict regulations on who can have one and when. Not ever 1 mass shooting after the 90s (which was a very dark period in Italian history)
@MissCaraMint
@MissCaraMint 3 жыл бұрын
@@smileygangsters And yet he smuggled in the weapons he used for this massacre from the US...
@smileygangsters
@smileygangsters 3 жыл бұрын
@@MissCaraMint nope, he tried to smuggle them in from Berlin, Prague or Copenhagen, but got too afraid/ failed. So he applied for a permit in Norway, saying he was gone hunt deer, and was approved.
@darandomdog
@darandomdog 3 жыл бұрын
I love just watching people praise Norway because I am Norwegian and I know how it truly is, every one I’ve ever met in Norway has been so nice and or respectful. So yeah my Norwegian ego is slightly big lol (I live in sweden for the time being though)
@erikengheim1106
@erikengheim1106 3 жыл бұрын
Hehehe I know some people abroad get really tired of us Norwegians going on about how great Norway is. I think it is partly a inferiority complex. We are a tiny unknown country, and so we get all super excited when we get mentioned in any positive way.
@LilyUnicorn
@LilyUnicorn 3 жыл бұрын
I met someone who calls it snoreway, cause its so boring. But that means barely anything happens and the perfect quiet place to live
@13District
@13District 2 жыл бұрын
Well if you want i can definetly bring out negative stuff to say for example norwegian beer tastes like pisswater absolute crap worst beer i ever tasted ever all brands and ive been around the world becose its only 4.7% highest
@darandomdog
@darandomdog 2 жыл бұрын
@@13District i don't drink because i am under the legal age and its not Good for me just like how i don't drink energy drinks or koffe (it would Speed Up My heart to insane speeds and i could die from it.) So beer is not the thing to talk to me about lol
@eyewaves...
@eyewaves... 3 жыл бұрын
Great video and content. Loved your thorough straight up analysis. So logical what you concluded.
@ald00I
@ald00I 3 жыл бұрын
im new on this channel but i just want to say that i am so proud of you for making it out of a system that is so unbelievably against you. i could have never done it. good job!
@Flamdring
@Flamdring 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this comparison. It is normal to see such prisons in some European countries, so when we see what is going on in the US or our neighbour - Russia, it looks like something taken out of nightmare. To be honest, I am not sure such a system would work in the US. The reason for that is the huge inequality you have in the country. Compared to Norway or any other Scandinavian country where a cashier at a local supermarket has a very high quality of life, it would encourage people in the US to commit crime in order to get into a prison like that. Such systems go hand in hand with higher quality of life and the US is doing very badly in that regard. Also, most of the European countries do not have death penalties anymore. The EU has specific requirements for any country wishing to join it that death penalty must be abolished. Norway is not part of the EU, but it is part of the European Economic Area which basically follows the EU's laws, yet it abolished death penalty back in the 19th century if I am not mistaken, only to briefly reinstate it to execute Nazis.
@TheJessicahammerly
@TheJessicahammerly 2 жыл бұрын
You are right. There's been certain time in my life where it was so bad and if there had been a place like that here I would have gotten in trouble on purpose in the hopes of ending up there.
@caitlynlewis4539
@caitlynlewis4539 3 жыл бұрын
Things I love about this prison: - it treats inmates like humans, encouraging mutual respect between guard and inmate - it recognizes that many humans are capable of change and that, unfortunately, many crimes are a result of the system failing people - it provides concrete opportunities for inmates to develop skills, change, and begin imagining their lives in a different way than they ever have before Concerns I have about this prison: - does the luxury of the prison drive more people to heinous crimes in order to escape homelessness or life on the streets? - is it fair to provide a life of luxury (that apartment is a lot nicer than mine and many other honest and hard-working people I know) to people who have been dangers to society? I understand they lose their freedom and that is a punishment in and of itself, but there's a difference between a basic, good environment in which people can be rehabilitated and this kind of luxury. Does this prison take it too far? I'd love to hear anyone's thoughts, these are genuine questions and I haven't formed an opinion, I'd like to hear what people think.
@freak5425
@freak5425 3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the exact same thing. Those prisoners have better apartaments and luxury than most people in the world. I wonder if people there commit crimes just to live at that prison.
@VeraYve
@VeraYve 3 жыл бұрын
If they have prisons like these, they will probably also have a good homeless shelter or other things to provide homelessness
@xxaguskax3413
@xxaguskax3413 3 жыл бұрын
It may seem to be a luxury for you , but for Norwegians it isn't really the case. They have one of the highest standard of living in the world , and most of them live in better living conditions than this. About homeless people , I heard somewhere , that this is not really a problem there and even when somebody loses their job and can't pay rent , they are offered a room/flat by the government and they get a work proposition , so that they can get their life together. (I am not Norwegian, I read a lot about how they handle all this things, but it was so time ago , so I can be wrong )
@andersfu1188
@andersfu1188 3 жыл бұрын
@@xxaguskax3413 in Norway it is actually illegal for the state/county to not provide food and housing for people without a job.
@miyuu1317
@miyuu1317 3 жыл бұрын
I would argue that instead of getting angry at people because they get better things, we should get angry at why we can't get those same things. We work, we slave away in many cases, and we still have economic insecurity, this is not a problem prision inmates are responsable for. But the higher ups in the respective country.
@TheSneakyBlanket
@TheSneakyBlanket 3 жыл бұрын
Norwegian here, so I might be biased! But, hey! There is this netflix-series called "Inside the World's Thoughest Prisons" where a former inmate visits prisons around the world, and spends a week or so behind bars. In season 3, he visits Halden Prison. Just if you want to see more, and see how it is to live there.
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