Forms Podcast XVII: You Are Gods with David Bentley Hart

How does God relate to the world?
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[@Josiah-Andrews]

Didn’t realize you podcasted Henry! Great job, one of the better interlocutors with DBH I’ve heard.

[@kevinreddington4251]

Agreed

[@michaelholm3301]

More, please! We need to get as much of David recorded as possible.

[@binxbb9234]

You're not the only one who cries at the video of the pope and the boy Henry! Solidarity!

[@christopherconey732]

Well, this young man is impressive. Not the usual shy, almost fawning type, who faces up to Professor DBH. The stand out trivial point was their mutual asking of the slightly condescending 'do you see/know what I am saying?' with the equally condescending assertion about the other 'Oh, you DO see/ know what I am saying'. So when it comes to boldness and directness, Prof DBH really has met his match here. In any case, a very helpful discussion: thank you both. On the limits and capacities of reason v faith etc that covered the middle section I was in mind of the differences between the poetic plato, on the one hand, and the prosaic aristotle, on the other. And within plato, i was reminded of his writing about the inferiority of writing :) and the limits of language in the VIIth letter, Phaedrus, and the soaring Symposium.

[@ziryabjamal]

Got a long drive tomorrow. Listening tonight and already had to rewind a couple times, definitely needs concentration.

[@MBFModernHomesteading]

Loved this talk, was very disappointed when the music came on during what seemed to be a discussion I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall for! Would love to hear right from where you left off at....

[@kevinreddington4251]

Lol @the intro song and thinking of Hart sitting there 😂😂

[@formspodcast]

one love

[@Joeonline26]

Lol I thought the same thing. Crossed arms and Hart rolling his eyes are 2 things that come to mind

[@jaxonbasra9056]

Your statement on your old perspective on the Father is something I find really interesting. I see a lot of Christians who like to split up the Trinity into different personalities: the conciliatory Son, the wrathful Father etc... I fail to see how this is not polytheism. In fact, it's more distressing than any paganism, because it ascribes the attributes of Zeus to The One God.

[@colingallagher1648]

great interview

[@tribunateSPQR]

Great episode, this book has been on my list for so long, need to finally get around to reading it

[@koffeeblack5717]

American philosopher mystic Franklin Merrell-Wolff distinguished three epistemic modalities: perception, conception, and introception. The third he defined as knowledge through identity, which takes on an analogical character when transcribed into a synthesis of concept and introcept. Basically, a doctrine of a third way of knowing is essential to the theistic point of view, for God is that act of knowing.

[@bradleybutson6540]

What’s the name of DBH article on bulgakov or link to the video

[@formspodcast]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pn6UYmOao8SXY9E

[@glenclary3231]

Has the full article been published?

[@Steven-qs9xd]

Amazing interview, if you get the chance for another interview, ask him about Aikido 😎

[@balthysar68]

Wonderful conversation. Thanks for your good work!

[@jasonb4321]

Thank you for this.

[@joshthrelkeld]

More of this please!

[@chanting_germ.]

Name of Switzerland conference ?

[@formspodcast]

Building the House of Wisdom: www.unifr.ch/sergij-bulgakov/de/forschung/konferenzen/bulgakov-conference-2021/

[@dubbelkastrull]

44:38 Interesting Hadith 23:55 bookmark

[@formspodcast]

کنت کنزاً مخفیاً فأحببت أن أعرف فخلقت الخلق لکی أعرف

[@dubbelkastrull]

@@formspodcast Thanks. Idk Arabic tho

[@haidersalam2406]

@@dubbelkastrull I was a hidden treasure so I loved to know, so I created the creation so that I know. Hope this helps

[@haidersalam2406]

@@dubbelkastrull and btw the beauty of the arabic script gives an ambiguity where the text can also be read as "I was a hidden treasure so I loved to be known, so I created creation in order to be known"

[@dubbelkastrull]

@@haidersalam2406 You might want to go with your second translation if you want to avoid making Allah dependent on creation for knowledge.

[@jasonegeland1446]

Would it be pretentious of me to confess to being vastly more intelligent than Hart? Becuase I realy am!

[@jasonegeland1446]

Kidding, obviously. Great interview!

[@poeticdiscourse]

David, to me, seems to falter under insufficient concepts of "nothingness," - here Kabbalistic mysticism comes in handy, wherein "nothing" is postulated as being non-being on account of it having no constraint or limitation. Ein Soph is on account of limiting itself, and by proxy of said limiting, or constraining, instantiates Being proper. Apologies for terrible use of language, it is exceedingly difficult to pin this down in propositional language. What is needed is a kind of foundational "meta-language". Great podcast, I'm a big fan of David's work.

[@kevinmcdonald6560]

i thought this notion of nothingness=limitlessness was implicit in their discussion of eriugena? do you have any specific kabbalistic passages where this is discussed, sounds very interesting?

[@poeticdiscourse]

@@kevinmcdonald6560 I don't have specific passages at hand, what I wrote was a kind of amalgam of Jewish mysticism as located in Manly P Halls', "The Secret teaching of all ages ages" - a great book, albeit long and heavy going, if you haven't read it - and Chris Langan's concept of "Unbound Telesis" from his metaphysical system, "The Cognitive Theoretic Model of the Universe." It's a pretty perennial idea, though. It pops up all over the place in different intellectual idiom, so to speak. Also maybe checkout Jacob Boehme's idea of "ungrund", too. Its been a while since I've listened to this, but I obviously missed their talk of "eriugena", as my comment assumed David didn't conceptualise nothingness as limitlessness. I'll have to give this a re-listen, thanks!

[@kevinmcdonald6560]

@@poeticdiscourse thanks for the comprehensive reading list!