Formula 1 have REJECTED Andretti... what a joke.

[@MuhammadNiz007]

I love how Andretti bought you out. I have never seen someone be so ignorant of the facts and making things up on the go, F1 statement answered all you questions but either you were in a hurry to make the video or having some kind of benefit from ignoring the statement , I guess it's best to act ignorant than accepts that fact and accept you are wrong

[@TommoOnYoutube]

I'm still waiting for my invoice to be paid actually, thanks for reminding me!

[@willlashley1378]

sorry mate but the town of yapville want their mayor back

[@amroge8703]

You’ve embarrassed yourself here mate

[@aiwash2766]

What a muppet

[@CammieRacing]

I love how Liberty Media bought you out MuhammadNiz007! :D

[@lukeearthcrawler896]

"We race as money" never sounded more true.

[@TommoOnYoutube]

"We race to protect the commercial value our asset at all costs and are incredibly short sighted"

[@caseymiller3540]

We’ll see how much value rejecting Andretti will bring to F1, you know, like the loss of the entire American F1 audience they keep trying to gain.

[@nicomackie450]

"We are incredibly short sighted" fixed it

[@Pedro285]

I really fail to see how they can justify keeping Andretti out of F1. Expecting to see some litigation arising from this for anti-competitive and protectionist behaviour. The teams may be flush financially but are bankrupt in the sporting sense.

[@kropianimation1774]

@@Pedro285 A lot of sport leagues operate like this, especially in America. The NFL hasn't let a new team in since 2002. It's not really something crazy to do for leagues that don't have a religation system.

[@Yodsyo]

The fact that they had the gall to state "We do not believe the applicant will be a competitive participant" while Haas and VCARB exist on the grid with no ambition or plan to move further up the standings (with Haas LITERALLY confirming they'll be P10 to start with the grand goal of P8 this year) is a utter fucking disgrace.

[@B.A.GarGar]

The fact that an F1 American team with 0 tradition was allowed and it went so bad gives them the power to say no.

[@koenslinkman]

@@B.A.GarGar But Andretti does have tradition...

[@extremegrieferbible]

Sauber has been in the sport for over 30 years and they've won exactly ONE Grand Prix - which was over 15 years ago when they had BMW works support. I'm pretty sure they haven't scored a podium in a decade. But somehow they're supposed to be competitive.

[@destructively5945]

​@@koenslinkman I think he's talking about Haas

[@B.A.GarGar]

@@extremegrieferbible but as you can see Audi will replace them in 26. Andretti should do the same with Haas. But they don t wanna pay the money🤝

[@bruh_im_a_pigeon5597]

F1 is a private yacht club masquerading as a motorsport

[@George-xb5ey]

This the racing is just the circus, it's just about the revenue.

[@gustavofigueiredo1798]

Nicely put.

[@OddTomOut]

Rejecting an American Team when youre trying to expand your audience in the US is such a smooth brain moment

[@TheLuthorri]

And having an american team that runs in P10 year-after-year 😂🥳

[@danielnyangweso1759]

Stonks

[@lunarquickstrike9016]

palpatine: ironic

[@KSA-iwnl-]

maybe work on haas together with your smoothbrain american friends and constructors

[@bettercallsaal]

American here, indycar is more competitive and I can watch it basically for free 😎

[@htpr_ice2360]

They weren’t sponsored by a gambling company, of course they were never gonna make it

[@TommoOnYoutube]

[@Barni2212]

Or any Saudi oil.

[@marijnmolenaar2848]

Dont forget Russian Fertilizer

[@janiceclayton3538]

😂

[@sarminder4357]

Or a middle eastern oil company that claims to be all for the environment while killing millions of people with their shit manufacturing process

[@ciaranobyrne087]

F1 should flat out and say that its a closed shop. At least they would be honest.

[@TommoOnYoutube]

It might as well be. What else could they realistically have done?

[@chriscollins550]

I'm telling you, if it was, let's just say any European car brand, a manufacturer, they would get in. F1 wants manufacturer.

[@parkercrossland410]

Honesty doesn't work in the business world because there is nobody that is really going to hold the business accountable. People may be outraged but the bottom line is that prize money is too important. Only solution is to either reduce the importance of prize money or to find a way for average (not total) prize money to be increased with the addition of a new team.

[@Mr10usdad]

They do not want more competition. Thus they are no longer the pinnacle of racing.

[@chriscollins550]

@Mr10usdad yes they do. Honda is coming back with its own team again. They are trying to get Toyota back and Jaguar. The fom don't want another team in name like redbull. They want car manufacturers. If GM applied on its own, then they most likely would get in.

[@pilbj002]

This is quite possibly one of the WORST decisions F1 could have made. They've really shot themselves in the foot with this one.

[@patrickschellen737]

Agreed it's the worst decision for fans, but will fans stop spending money on tickets and subscriptions? As long as F1 don't lose money on it everybody will just move on and forget about it in silence, so I doubt it's really shooting themselves in the foot.

[@TommoOnYoutube]

Lawsuit inbound

[@marklittle8805]

Hey, this makes their mis handling of the Abu Dhabi fiasco Masi made look like nothing. I didn't think that was possible

[@c-square7375]

What if Saudi Arabia creates a parallel entity like in soccer and golf as a result of that?

[@brayoungful]

​​@@patrickschellen737Well, I'm an American and lifelong IndyCar fan, and I was excited to get into F1 since last year. The prospect of Ford (Red Bull) vs Chevy (Andretti ) in a couple years facing off against each other and European exotics was super exciting. This decision is a slap in the face and transparently hypocritical. I did also get into WEC recently, and I'll be watching that, instead, because frankly the racing is better and the engineering is more exciting, IMO. They're also WAY better fan experiences if you go in-person. The ticket prices of F1 are just asinine. Also, dozens of countries are banning ICE cars in a decade, and Formula E is therefore inevitably the future... in which, ironically, Andretti is a dominant team. FE is starting to get exciting with their next-gen cars, as well, and unlike F1, advancements made in motorsport have real capability of being moved into production cars down the line, as ICE vehicles are basically mature and done with development, while EVs are still in their infancy.

[@LucaM568]

Translated what Formula 1 means: We don't want you to only pay 200 million but 600 million in 2028

[@ohiopower]

This right here. It's all about the new concorde agreement in 2026

[@Darkforce2543]

Here's for Andretti rocking up at preseason 2026

[@TommoOnYoutube]

Just fucking turn up, pull an Apex GP

[@TriangleV]

@@TommoOnKZbinan entry for the ages

[@HeavenhoundGiuseppe]

And being faster than some of the existing teams

[@CharlesFreck]

They should. FIA says they can compete, so compete. Without the FOM contract, the broadcasts, highlights, commentators can't mention or show anything to do with Andretti. How many races do you think they'll blur them our for before the FOM become a complete laughing stock? 3 or 4? And then they'll have to give in to Andretti and give them a contract

[@icron1c746]

saw a lawvs vid on it if they would have a car ready ish for austin imagine them just pulling an Apex GP @@TommoOnKZbin

[@OddTomOut]

What kind of value is Hass bringing to F1 exactly?

[@LuminalSpoon]

Memes probably

[@OddTomOut]

@@LuminalSpoon already miss Guenther

[@TommoOnYoutube]

Especially without Guenther's meme generation.

[@Lastname6955]

Same with Alpine, AlphaTauri and Sauber. These teams do nothing all season then bang on about each team needing value

[@TheLuthorri]

​@@Lastname6955which is more interesting than a fight for P1?

[@samljones]

F1 are all about building their prominence in the US - we've got 3 US GPs with a 4th on the cards. It rejected Andretti on "commercial grounds" and stated that it thought they wouldn't be competitive, implying that it doesn't believe the Andretti brand will commercially benefit the sport, and that Haas is somehow worth keeping around. Quite literally the opposite of the truth. They don't like the sport being thrown into disrepute, yet they've just done it themselves, massively. This is such an embarrassment.

[@SimonWakefieldUK]

Does it benefit the sport commercially. Outside of DHL which of their Indy car sponsors have any footprint outside of the US? Basically none do so existing sponsor relationships being very little to the table. There is actually a big chance Andretti would actually be going out and poaching the sponsors of other teams especially from the lower half making the existing teams financially weaker. IMHO they needed to show they would bring resources in to benefit all of F1 rather than diluting it. Bringing an engine supplier in does that as more engine supplier competition is likely to drive costs to customer teams down but that isn't happening the next 2 years so they needed to bring something tangible on the financial front (ie committed multinational sponsors who are new to F1 such as Disney, netflix, apple etc)

[@Peter-hz3vs]

I live in Europe and even I will say this is the European arrogance.

[@piragix]

It's unfathomable how they can deny entry for a team like Andretti on the grounds of competitiveness when teams like Haas exist... I hope they can make it in for 2028 :/

[@Mr10usdad]

Exactly. Actually you only have 2-3 teams who can win a race now! Races are like a parade.

[@perfectfantasies]

haas wouldn't be allowed in either if they tried now, to be fair.

[@lor7780]

@@perfectfantasiesif the thing about being competitive was true, then there would be a rule to kick out non competitive teams that aren’t competitive so consistently.

[@piragix]

for sure@@perfectfantasies

[@ThmsDouglas]

Unfortunetly they won't and F1 has made that very clear they have it in for Andretti there's more t o this.

[@cody95]

6:05 the AUDACITY to say this when you have a team like Haas on the grid

[@pedrogasesofan]

When I saw the article my first reaction was “how quickly will Tommo make a video?”

[@jayscott4990]

Same

[@TommoOnYoutube]

This quickly. 🏃

[@Succulents-N-More]

Faster than Sky Sports

[@ZaniReviews]

This is a slap in the FACE for Americans. F1 are saying they want our MONEY but not us as people.

[@prongATO]

We’ll take your money but NEVER be seen associating with you.

[@Fractured_Unity]

That’s how most Europeans treat Americans unfortunately. Of course we’re going to be very different from you, doesn’t mean we’re less valuable as people, or vice versa.

[@LiftandCoa]

What are you guys smoking over there? Its an american series, leaded by americans and you ALREADY have national representation. just what This is a money decision, not a "Americans are uncool" decision. You are not a victim. And it will not change until Andretti forks up the loss of revenue for his competitors until the legally binding contract about it (Concorde) runs out.

[@Fractured_Unity]

@@LiftandCoa Loss of revenue is the ridiculous thing. The only way Andretti coming to the series could be considered a loss is if you want the anti-dilution fee to be arbitrarily raised. Which coincidentally, a lot of the teams do. They aren’t denying Andretti from the sport, they’re extorting them because they can. Thinking only for themselves instead of for the good of the sport. If an American team starts winning, you’d get 100 millions fans no sweat. What idiot wouldn’t want that kind of money in the hypothetical future unless they are prejudiced or extremely myopic/greedy.

[@TigerSquidCA]

THIS

[@nottherealChickenJoe]

This really makes F1 not feel like a sport but like a reality show. If you aren´t going to let such a strong bid compete, you just don´t want the competition and competition is what it should be all about...

[@florisbackx1744]

F1 is running it as if it was an entertainment product only, which makes the competitiveness argument even more outrageous.

[@Barfyman362.]

It’s turning into the NBA.

[@fallenshallrise]

Agreed. There was a time, before my time, that the sport was truly open and truly competitive, when any team could turn up and if they qualified in the top 26 they were welcome to race. Even though they would outlaw a car if it was too good they still let in VW, Porsche, ex-drivers and privateer teams, whoever could get a car together that was fast enough was welcome. With this outlook McLaren, Williams, Sauber, Jordan, BAR, Minardi, Benetton... none of the teams that are the basis of the existing teams would exist other than Ferrari.

[@AustenHilton]

​@Barfyman362. The NBA will probably expand in the next decade so it's actually worse then the NBA

[@Barfyman362.]

​@@AustenHilton I meant NBA as in it's more interested in the spectacle and gimmicks than the sport. The NBA doesn't need to expand there's so many bad teams already. In F1 there are tons of drivers with potential who never get an opportunity.

[@superxavxii421]

This will just make the fans have more distain towards Hass and Racing Bulls. Andretti would have been so cool, but no lets have VISA CASH APP RACING BULLS instead, SMH

[@joshuabracero8581]

I'm glad at least WEC and IMSA have some sense and actually care about their sports

[@xwhogafx815]

💯

[@wokinprogress]

IMSA is great

[@thatsambloke_]

Is this the F1 version of a constitutional crisis? FIA say yes to Andretti, but Liberty say no… Technically they could rock up on the grid and race, they just wouldn’t get a share of the commercial rights money and definitely wouldn’t get any airtime. They could also have a decent chance of success in court (either in Europe, or the US) on anticompetitive/antitrust grounds if they want to go down that long and expensive route. I feel like this story has more to go yet…

[@calussy8040]

I think they could have a very good case if they go to court, what F1 have said holds no weight with no receipts and respect. With the FIA saying yes as well, I only see F1 winning in court if they throw a bunch of money at it, and the public already sees Liberty Media as the bad guys in all this as well. Just sounds like ignorance and not wanting to listen to fans at all, because our views hold no value to them.

[@Ryzard]

I hope they do it.

[@justyoureaveragejoe]

That second paragraph is completely unprofessional. Especially from a series that touts itself as essentially the king of motorsports.

[@Duderino27]

It is disgusting that RB owns two teams when Andretti, an illustrious name in motorsport is prevented from having one.. this is despicable on so many levels.

[@ThmsDouglas]

Nah what's disgusting is saying Andretti brings nothing while that clown show team Haas brings what exactly? A owner who could care less about F1 and is not willing to invest in the team at all and here we have Andretti......not good enough.

[@n8pls543]

At this point I want Andretti just so Haas can beat them, considering that Haas at the end of the day is still basically Ferrari's B Team, and Andretti doesn't race in a series that isn't a spec series or one where they can just buy someone else's car and race it.

[@sudazima]

@@ThmsDouglas it doesnt matter how good or bad haas is, andretti put together a serious bid and should be allowed to compete and try.

[@Pskpsi]

As an American, I am devastated and sad, more than angry. Haas is a joke, and Andretti is arguably the best motosport management company in the world not already in f1, especially after Audi enters. I am sad, frustrated, and now pessimistic that we’ll see a truly competitive American driver in the next 5 years

[@srfnsurfer]

I hope Andretti Cadillac start selling apparel. I would wear it to the race

[@guyfawkes8873]

Just a correction: Toyota is the best not in F1 ;)

[@biggallcaps]

I am more angry than sad. But also devastated. I would love nothing more than to take my anger out on Stephano Dominicali and the rest of the Liberty Media dumbasses that made this decision

[@bballkid7409]

@@guyfawkes8873Porsche.

[@b2tama]

It really sucks man :(

[@elaldo2382]

The Andretti team would not add value?? What are Haas, Cashgrab RB and PlaceholderUntilAudiArrives F1 adding then?

[@xxKURTMANxx]

This is so disappointing as an F1 fan, a racing fan and an as American.

[@S.Lineracing25]

Cmon, they put in so much effort and made a whole ass car. Its absurd the fact that F1 keep pushing these guys back

[@Ryzard]

Fr, what kind of middle finger is that to the people who put in that work? Refuse to tell them until the 11th fkn hour?

[@paullowen2707]

you think so do you ??🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 they have got a thing let alone the knowledge!

[@williwerbung5203]

They built a wind tunnel model. Those are typically 60 % scale. So they 3D printed (probably an existing 3D model) a two meter long hull with no internal parts. Takes like 48 hours to do so, it's not a proof of your commitment.

[@Ryzard]

@@williwerbung5203 the fact that they have over a hundred employees and have been working on this, and future plans, and getting property and such while sharing a public timeline is definitely more than just 48 hours. You also only talked about printing a model, assuming you know their machines, not actually.... Y'know, designing it. Bad faith arguments, and for what?

[@willlashley1378]

this is easily the most pissed off with F1 in years. this is more tragic and pathetic than AD21 ever was. i’m honestly at a loss, if anything i’m becoming less and less excited about this upcoming season. everything i’m seeing is just assuring my view that F1 is going down the wrong direction

[@RantingCentre]

This...

[@dwightwiebers5021]

How does the rejection for entrance in 2026 affect your excitement for this 2024 season? Help me out here please...

[@joshuabeckham2387]

​@@dwightwiebers5021because the decision was made this year, 2024. So the entire season you will be aware that everyone in charge are shortsighted assholes.

[@willlashley1378]

@@dwightwiebers5021 no it’s all the other decisions that have happened around it. like the Madrid street circuit, the rumours of a Chicago street circuit and even potentially a street circuit in Osaka Japan to replace the mighty Suzuka. all of it is making me feel like Formula 1 is going down a terrible direction, especially when i look at what’s going on in all the other series’. that’s what hampering my excitement

[@dwightwiebers5021]

@@willlashley1378 Thanks for clarifying your statement. I agree that adding more street circuits is a wrong turn they took. Also the desperate attempts to win over the American race fans has, in my opinion, nothing to do with "doing what's best for the sport". Ninety percent of these decisions and actions have a commercial reason. And that's a shame. But... there is plenty exciting racing to look forward to in 2024: McLaren on the rise, Ferrari over-confident, Mercedes vengeful, Aston Martin hungry. Can't wait for the first race weekend...

[@F1Unchained]

It’s so dumb that they can state that they bring more value to Andretti. They want an American fan base and decide Hassss is the team to do it. Rarely does news make me disappointed but this one sure does.

[@SimonWakefieldUK]

I feel many are taking a too barrow view of that statement. Yes Andretti would make a better job sporting wise than Haas. They might even bring in more American fans BUT do they actually make the pot for the teams bigger or does it dilute it. Who when it comes to sponsors will come with them from Indycar? Very few as most are regional companies who couldn't justify paying the ad rates for an F1 team when they get no benefit advertising to an international market. They clearly have demonstrated they are bringing new sponsors to the sport rather than pulling other teams sponsors away. It would have been good if they had already announced an Disney or Apple level company as a title sponsor and x, y and z who don't sponsor others currently as additional sponsors to show they were growing the pot

[@master3HORSE]

Andretti should sue for antitrust violations

[@chriscollins550]

Andretti wouldn't win. The way f1 do it is to make everything look like it's on the people trying to join and it's their fault they didn't make it in.

[@milantoth6246]

@@chriscollins550 Andretti absolutely could win. I saw a legal analysis a couple months ago when the FIA approved them. The EU courts are tough on antitrust cases, and this is a perfect example of one.

[@adamclabaugh1945]

@@milantoth6246 Exactly. Look at the recent European Super league or whatever the hell they're calling it now. The courts ruled against UEFA and I have no doubt they'd rule against F1

[@chriscollins550]

@milantoth6246 no because they have followed EU law's on it. Also, the FOM is bassed in France. Do you know how many EU laws the French government breaks every year. The fact they still allow smoking in side public places. The French will just ignore it.

[@Tom-rt2]

@@chriscollins550 I don't think the French take anti-competitive practices lightly. The whole tech sector is basically terrified of them, with the FCA handing out billion dollar fines in recent years like it's candy.

[@j0_5hm0]

The saddest part of this is in the first paragraph; they are basically saying "Unless you can guarantee that on day 1 you will be knocking down any of the top3 teams and fighting for championships, you aren't worthy" which means no team will ever extend into a 11th+ slot because no one can guarantee that at all

[@ThmsDouglas]

Hence why they said it to begin with they want no new teams. It was a warning to anyone thinking about trying as much as it was a jab at Andretti and America.

[@smeshfactory3992]

Redbull can own 2 teams though....

[@beastunleashed657]

And their second team is STILL more competitive and useful than Haas

[@chriscollins550]

Not for much longer. We'll with in the next few years. The FIA is going to force redbull to sell the team under new regulations.

[@Mr.X2188]

​@beastunleashed657 Which is a team that will never EVER be close to the speed of the main RB team.

[@Mi-Chis]

Well, see that’s a tricky one because rumor has it back in the day the FIA pushed Red Bull to buy Minardi in order to get the FIA green light to run their other team, the ex jaguar outfit, the way the wanted. For the FIA the alternative would have been an f1 with 9 teams. I know today this doesn’t seem like that would make much of a difference but remember that just a few years before there was usually 12 to 15 teams but for years Teams where dying away so dipping under 20 cars seemed like a threshold for them back then they did not want to cross. Anyway, kind of hard to force some onto buy something and then force them to sell it again. Only Bernie Ecclestone himself could pull something like that off. Anyway, what’s the difference between a chassis manufacturer having two teams or an engine manufacturer having two or even 3 teams?

[@smeshfactory3992]

@@Mi-Chis The engine manufacturer doesn't own teams i.e Merc, Renault, Ferrari, Honda. Redbull owns 2 teams. Thought it's a pretty obvious answer really.

[@cob4400]

"We do not believe the applicant will be a competitive participant" is a crazy statement when you have Haas, Williams, whatever the fuck AlphaTauri has become and even Alpha Romeo considering their going through a rebuild over the next few years and most likely aren't going to be competitive. Also there is not much competition when 1 team has pretty much dominated every season over the past decade besides the Max/Lewis season. Makes no sense. Plus when you already have 3 US races and are trying to add another with Chicago why on earth would you reject a proper american team for the country to support. Id love to see an extra team added even if they are at best another midfield team as the midfield battle is the most entertaining part of the races for the past few years.

[@WardenNFG]

If not them, then literally nobody is good enough. Its clearly not about adding to the sport anymore.

[@ThmsDouglas]

And that's exactly what their intention was with all this it was a warning to anyone trying to get in.....don't even try.

[@Harrison244]

Rejecting a serious team with success across multiple classifications with a Cadillac backing and keeping a team like Haas is such an ass backwards move, what a joke really

[@alexvalentim1418]

So, if the point is competitiveness, they are also kicking Haas and Williams, right?

[@night756]

And Sauber

[@FightingForceSoulless]

Sauber has been P9 in the constructors for a decade it feels like. And what value does something like Haas bring to F1 instead of the other way around? I get it, they don't want Andretti in, because they want more money. That's all it is. But the points they made are a joke. They are backing this decision with bs and it's so transparent.

[@Lora_Beolab]

@@night756 Sauber and Williams have big differences to Haas, as an f1 fan you should see that

[@fsfaith]

By their measure they should do absolutely everything within their power to have HAAS removed.

[@SamAspden]

This statement incriminates like 3 teams. What value is Stake/Kick bringing to the F1 brand? Haas is the most lacklustre effort and Gene Haas is definitely benefiting from F1 more than F1 is benefitting from Gene Haas. And if having 11 teams is bad value. Then how come Red Bull is allowed 2 of those teams?

[@fsfaith]

@@SamAspden Absolutely agree.

[@memolestas1017]

And they still have the nerve to wonder why almost no big brands are interested in participating. When Nascar and Indycar start to surpass them in ratings, don't act surprised.

[@Versatilty]

Maybe we can get Red Bull to enter a third team? RB (Racing Bull$#!+)

[@TBone31]

Lol this made me laugh

[@superxavxii421]

Good one 😂

[@janiceclayton3538]

😂

[@marklittle8805]

It allows Horner to get more R and D information ...why the FIA can't see that fraud for what it is

[@diethersantos6404]

Lol hahahahaha!!! 🤣🤣🤣

[@continentalrcinglg]

US F1 got granted an entry without so much as a decent website, and Andretti get rejected when they've actually BUILT A CAR! Make it make sense.

[@Big73Red]

To be fair, US F1 was approved by Bernie Ecclestone. Who made F1 a joke for different reasons than Liberty Media

[@HasselLasko]

@@Big73Redi would prefer Bernie at this point… liberty media are killing off the little passion and spirit that was left in the sport. Bernie was there from the start.

[@jasongarfitt1147]

Build it, do a demo run at COTA, get a laptime that would have qualified and make liberty eat humble pie

[@thesamaffliction1572]

Andretti are Formula E drivers champs currently, extreme E race winners, Indycar powerhouses, endurance winners with Porsche partnerships (fe with Porsche too) I have no clue how they aren’t capable at handling themselves atleast midfield to progress from there

[@thatpaintschemeguy8]

No other motorsport would do this as a NASCAR fan if Andretti wanted to join the field they would be welcomed in with open arms, they have sponsors manufacturer support they even have a car what else do they need?

[@salzwassersamunddiesoljank5573]

As someone who’s starting to focus more on WEC/IMSA and other Motorsport events, following F1‘s evolution from the sideline has been absolutely hilarious over the last months and years. It‘s just one comedically dumb decision after the other, to the point where you can do nothing but laugh at it. The only sad part is that you can tell that every decision just serves the goal of making Liberty‘s line go up. Any passion for the sport is absolutely dead.

[@coopergraf1138]

The stupid thing is that they know Andretti will at least be a midfield team, and that loses all the precious sell out teams like Stake and VCARB their prize money at the end of the year. If they opened their eyes though, they would see all the tens of millions of dollars in American sponsors that would want to be put on the side of an Andretti or even on a trackside barricade if Andretti entered. Look at Aramco and Qatar Airways that F1 was more than willing to cater to even with new Grand Prix, but as soon as something adds competition, it's a bad thing.

[@bluengold3443]

You can say it's a yoke!

[@TommoOnYoutube]

Fernando knew.

[@Gleepglurp]

The agreement is for 12 teams..... fill the spots

[@marklittle8805]

13 actually. The argument they say the tracks can't accommodate them is garbage

[@TankSlappr]

Greedy gatekeepers

[@danielnyangweso1759]

This is why Indy car fans see F1 as a joke smh🤦🤦

[@spawnofapathy]

“Pinnacle of Motorsport” afraid to let in any more competitors.

[@vinny7265]

Formula 1 is starting to become a joke, a bad written joke.

[@MichaelRCarlson]

Starting? It's been 3 years at least unfortunately

[@vincentsouchaud6717]

​@@MichaelRCarlsonSince 2014, to be fair.

[@thefirely1439]

Andretti deserves to be there more than Haas, Sauber, and hell maybe even Alpine at this point. It is so obvious they just don't want them for selfish reasons😂

[@ThmsDouglas]

There's much more to all this they clearly do not like Andretti

[@kb4951]

How unbelievably stuffy and elitist this statement is. The applicant had checked all the requested FIA boxes. It smacks os Toto and company not being willing to share $$

[@Mr10usdad]

It is not that Andretti would be competitive. It has to do with competition. They do not want to add another team. GM is a big company, probably bigger than all the companies who are currently F1. They do not want to risk them coming in and doing well.

[@Barni2212]

Imagine the shock if they would come and clap half of the field from the get go XD And they would race against Ferrari, Merc and RB. I understand they don't want them in the sport, they are f*cking afraid that Andretti would embarrass half of the field.

[@Mr10usdad]

F1 will never be seen the same by a percentage of the fans. They are scared of new competition.

[@sevegarza]

It's simple really 1 - Teams want to make a lot of money. 2 - Adding another team would make them not make a lot of money. 3 - Teams have the final vote if they want to add another team. 4 - Teams vote no. Teams are more likely to vote a team out than one in.

[@owenoseroff]

This pisses me off so much! I mean, I knew most Sports bodies were corrupt and it looks like f1 is no different. I honestly have no clue why I’m surprised by this, I shouldn’t be. I’ve been watching f1 for a while now and my interest in the discipline has slowly started to wain over the last few years, and this has surely not helped either.

[@Lewythefly]

Toto and Stefano laughing to the bank on this decision. This isn't racing

[@alexherman77]

Imagine if in the Matrix, Neo took the blue pill instead of the red pill and the movie just ended. That’s what this feels like.

[@Ryzard]

holy shit lmao

[@Barfyman362.]

F1 is making itself vulnerable to competition. If f1 was to phase out say Belgium, Monaco, and some permanent tracks in favor of street races, plus actions like leaving out Andretti, something akin to a LIV racing series could do damage to f1.

[@marklittle8805]

Or Indycar can just show up with a more open chassis formula and people might realize it is a better series to watch

[@CammieRacing]

It rather feels like they were rejected on false pretenses to be honest. They could've been allowed entry with a proviso that if they couldn't maintain 107% pace, they'd be removed after a certain amount of seasons without improvement.

[@JeLifeCoach]

If it was about being competitive (according to press release) then we should eliminate 5/10 teams immediately.

[@joramforret3763]

F1 really are trying it's hardest to make all the wrong decisions

[@braidenb3973]

As an American it would be pretty cool to see an actual American team in f1.

[@gonzalosuarez7461]

What a joke, stating that Andretti will not be competitive having some backing from a manufacturer, a REALLY BIG ONE, and at the same time you have HAAS dragging around tracks with no hope of improvement in any future

[@Sim22000]

Funny how they talk about competitiveness being the most important but then complain about name recognition... Almost like they decided to reject Andretti and worked backwards from there to figure out why

[@marklittle8805]

They threw up every reason they could think of and most of them are BS and some contradict everything they said leading into this.

[@racerook7237]

Ahhhh the greed. How can teams feel this is so when they used to spend 4x as much and earn the same amount but complain at a slight decrease in prize money. The 11th team would increase overall revenue in my eyes. It's absolute madness

[@TigerSquidCA]

I heard Gene Haas won’t let his cars get any faster because that would make it harder for people to read his name off the side pod where a sponsor should be.

[@glenrobinson10]

I agree with the sentiment that an 11th team is unneeded IF they now make the current teams adding no value [Haas & V-CARB] sell their teams to the likes of Andretti & Porsche.

[@patrickgiggy5549]

I have nothing nice to say about F1, the teams, or Liberty Media at this time

[@Jordan-ku9fv]

If i was an IndyCar exec. I would be scrambling to get a 3-5 race Europe tour in place. I know every single person that travels with the teams would be up for it. This is Indy’s chance to bring some eyes over to them.

[@sparkypete9221]

F1 BRINGS MORE VALUE TO EVERY COMPANY OTHER THAN FERRARI..F1 IS SO DISRESPECTFUL TO THE USA

[@Joserider123]

Let me put this into perspective: it's like stealing your mates wedding ring for his upcoming wedding that's worth loads and then telling him and giving him an invite to your wedding in the future that you're having. It just makes no f*cking sense (I would swear but KZbin would be on my case)

[@kdrewmorris]

F1 constructors championship is now a sham to me. Unfortunately F1 appeals much more to casual fans here in the US, but some protests in the Andretti name at the 3 US races would be nice to see.

[@GregBrownsWorldORacing]

This is kinda the classic NASCAR line, You need us more than we need you, boy - Which is more true if 'they' bring 39 cars and you bring one

[@fliepp1801]

I fully expected this but I’m still very gutted. Big fan of them in Indycar and Formula E and I would’ve loved to see them in the pinnacle of motorsport

[@jordansomeone2555]

Don’t worry, F1 will no longer be the pinnacle of Motorsport in the next few years if it keeps heading down this path

[@teamredgutz399]

This was a slap in the face to every single American Motorsports fan. They want our money but not our teams, our drivers or our personnel. FOM talks about Andretti not being competitive? What about Haas?? Stake?? Give me a break! Andretti not bringing value to F1? Do these dolts know anything about the US? Andretti and Cadillac are storied brands here. F1 claims it wants to expand in the USA. The way you do this is exactly by letting in iconic American brands. Andretti is racing royalty here. F1 complains that Andretti Cadillac won’t have its own power unit from day 1? Guess what? Six of the 10 F1 teams do NOT make their own power unit. And Caddy will make a PU by 2028. Let’s be real. F1’s decision to reject this bid is really due to a combination of a personal dislike of Michael Andretti and the monopolistic greed of F1 teams in not wanting to share an ever growing revenue and profit pie 11 ways instead of 10. American fans should boycott F1. If they don’t want us then we should spend our money elsewhere. Believe me, I don’t hate F1. Far from it. Been following F1 for 30 years. And I go to 4-5 F1 races a year across the world in the Paddock Club. But this is a bridge too far for me. This is F1 says to hell with the fans and with Americans. I will vote with my feet and my wallet.

[@jasontvoorhees]

I’m disappointed but my only hope is that maybe GM can cook up a good engine in the meantime and the internal staff can grow so they can hopefully be at a good starting point for 2028(if they let them in).

[@Llerhcoc]

I feel like there are some that still hold a grudge against Andretti for the way he left in the 90’s. I feel like if it was Rodger Penske trying to get in, F1 would’ve let him in

[@jkliao6486]

Other than Ferrari as a heritage team, that I can vaguely argue they might bring more value to F1 than F1 to them, I don't think I can say that to any other team on the grid.

[@jamesshives5679]

I think you could argue McLaren, Mercedes and Red Bull do as well (at the present moment) but that is still less than half the grid.

[@Brossano22]

How can liberty Media say, they are not competitive, when they can't even show...

[@Slimmeyy]

F1, not FIA. FIA has already approved Andretti, it's F1 that's being a whiny baby about it.

[@Alex58399]

Andretti should bid for Toro Rosso (I refuse to call it by its new name)

[@tjitse3916]

I’m almost ashamed I like a sport series that treats its interested potential participants like this. (Stares at commercial rights holders). Just by the fact that teams will have to fight harder to be able to get compensation will make it a more exciting series. If a team has to add something to be allowed in, then also let them be axed if they don’t….(looks at Haas). I wanna see Andretti fight for it, not Haas limp for it.

[@Jay_The_Cat]

Can FoM say with a straight face that Haas brings more value to the F1 brand rather than the reverse? If GM does make a PU for '28, FoM will still reject Andretti and then Williams will be like "Oh, shame to let that nice new works engine go to waste..."

[@dustinmattern1776]

wtf as a kid I only knew three open wheel drivers Michael Schumacher, Sebastian Vettel, and Mario Andretti

[@tijmendr9006]

I think what f1 is afraid of in this case is that andretti is going to be another haas doing well in the beginning and then falling off or not even being competetive to begin with, andretti does well in motorsports it has experience in and andretti as a team does not have experience in f1 so i think they may also be afraid that if they are not competetive from the get go it will take them too long to catch up with the more experienced teams and end up a backmarker

[@florisbackx1744]

Nah, they just don't want to share the cake with another team.

[@tijmendr9006]

@@florisbackx1744 FOM is not the teams tho, although im sure they were influenced

[@Barni2212]

So we will never see another new F1 team then. Nobody has experience in F1.

[@tijmendr9006]

@@Barni2212 that was not the point of my comment i just think f1 is afraid of another manor, catarham, hrt, haas situation

[@Slimmeyy]

@@tijmendr9006 Manor (which started as Virgin in 2010), Caterham and HRT operated on shoestring budgets because that's the budget cap that F1 promised would be put in place for 2010. This didn't happen, so the teams were massively underfunded and couldn't stay afloat. Andretti has already put more money into this project than those teams did in their couple years in the sport. Haas is also different, as they've been a Ferrari puppet team from the start, with their chassis being made by Dallara. Andretti is making their own chassis.

[@KiLLKiNDLY]

Ya as a Canadian I'm not going to get F1TV this year out of protest. It's not like they make the races worth watching on time in the pacific time zone with all the delays anyways so I'll just watch the replays that get uploaded

[@marklittle8805]

Most Canadians were rooting for this despite the fact Aston is Canadian owned. Which says a lot about how unlikable the Stroll's are that Canadians would rather cheer for an American team in F1

[@J3Wbacca]

Im done with F1 wec indy and even nascar is better than this garbage

[@MajikPPMan]

F1 TRANSLATION: We already have extreme sponsorship interest from the US market and won't approve Andretti Racing untill these new DTS introduced sponsor deals start to wither. There, I fixed it for y'all.

[@Kozmal12]

Didn't muhammed ben sulayem say that fia gets the final decision about if andretti can race, but with this rejection andretti just wouldn't be able to earn prize money? It's unlikely, but possible

[@srfnsurfer]

Andretti Cadillac would sell team apparel and we wear it to the races

[@aaronmachado13]

We’ve gotten to the point where there’s more fans for a team that isn’t even in the grid and brings more to the sport than quarter of the grid. Andretti bring GM backing, Gainbridge sponsorship and worldwide experience being biggest motorsport company in the world. Haas is a Ferrari lite team surviving on parts from Dallara and Ferrari while also being involved in half the controversy of the sport last 5 years, stake F1 you can’t even say in some countries due to gambling laws and original name so bad they had to change it. Visa Cashapp RB is a team with 0 brand identity and is sole purpose is to help promote drivers to Redbull Racing and now sharing more parts with the main team.

[@gregwilliams3339]

You’d think they will appeal this somehow. The backlash F1 will be receiving will be huge so I wouldn’t be surprised if this isn’t the last we hear about this

[@hyakushiki9438]

This American instantly cancelled their F1TV sub. Sorry Tommo, might be watching less, but you are one of the better F1 content creators. I appreciated your respect for American racing, and open mind.

[@vincentsouchaud6717]

"It's a great big club and you ain't in it". George Carlin. Thank you, Tommo.

[@connortheandroidsentbycybe7740]

"Our research indicates that F1 would bring value to Andretti than the other way round" So... No teams, then? F1 is a weekend long, 200mph advert. The only reason *any* of the teams are there is because F1 brings more value to the teams than the other way round.

[@williwerbung5203]

I think you really didn't do an appropriate and accurate reaction video. The Renault deal was on ice. Yes, Renault would have provided a 2025 engine. But they didn't want to provide a 2026 engine. So Andretti would always have been without an engine. Why? Because according to the rules there is one exemption from when existing engine suppliers can't be forced to supply a team on the grid: If that team intends to work with a competing engine supplier in the future that wants to come new to F1. The reason is simple, nobody is willing to allow the transfer of intellectual property regarding such a substantial partnership. GM could take that 2026 engine, look at all its deficits, then build a better version of it with no budget restrictions. Then there's the added value. It's not about perceived value, it's about pure monetary value. F1 teams split half the profit from all commercial rights, which right now is estimated at 2 billion per year. So 1 billion across 10 teams. In order to warrant a value increase for F1, Andretti would have to bring the yearly profits to 2.2 billion (a 10 % increase) so that the teams split 1.1 billion across 11 teams. And that's where things start to get crazy. Cause how do you measure that? Andretti alone isn't going to bring four new GPs to F1, cause that's the equivalent of how much revenue they have to bring to F1 just so the other teams don't lose value. Not with a crowded season like it already is. Liberty already did all the growth there. So the other way would be to increase revenue from TV/streaming rights. That's 1 billion right now. But Liberty is already in talks with Apple for 2 billion a year, before Andretti. So they would just profit from the additional 500 million going to teams, they wouldn't add value. And then there's how Andretti profits from F1. A 250 million investment would turn into a 1 billion valuation with the next concorde agreement. Because the fee to get in is expected to go up to 800 million instead of the current 200 million, to reflect the growth F1 has seen and the financial impact a new team has on the prize pool. So yeah, Andretti would without doubt profit more than F1. Then there's the value of Andretti as a brand to the worldwide audience that F1 has. It's basically non-existant. It's an American brand in American Autosports. And how much growth is there really in the US? F1 is stagnating in the US. 2023 viewers were 1.1 million per race, down from 1.2 million in 2022 and still only 100 % up from before Drive to Survive. The importance of F1 in the US is severely overestimated. Why? Because of starting times. Can that be changed? No. Sure, you could turn every other GP into a night time GP, so that the starting times are good for the US audience. Well except you can't, because safety and environment regulations prevent that from happening anywhere in Europe. And that is F1's largest market by far. So would you want to turn a European racing series into a US racing series? For 1.1 million compared to 70.3 million total per race? Chances are you lose more than you gain, cause F1 on a Sunday at 2 or 3 PM in Europe has no competition. And then there's Haas. But Haas. Haas entered F1 at a time when the series was suffering. There were realistic scenarios that Ferrari and Mercedes had to put three cars on the grid, with the third not competing for the WCC, just to have the bare minimum of cars on the grid. Andretti could have entered then. He didn't. Haas did. Also Haas is now in it. You can always look at the backmarker and say but we would be better, but we have seen again and again how things can change. Brawn, Williams, McLaren, Aston Martin, even Haas was once 4th in the championship. Looking at the worst team doesn't add credibility to criticism, it's just stupid. And if anything the way Haas developed over time is precisely why F1 wants to avoid a second Haas on the grid. So but Haas. No, because Haas. I mean the argument is such a joke considering Andretti tried to buy Haas (and Gene refused, cause he knows the team will be worth 4x more in a few years, he is not stupid). Where would you be then with your "but Haas" arguments, hmm. Let me tell you. Suddenly you would love the idea and Haas F1 and the potential it has. Just with a different name.

[@dan7845]

It is difficult to see how any new team would ever be accepted if the reasons given are taken as valid. Personally I think it is a problem if the competitors have a say in the matter. But if we say that the points are valid, how about a rule about re-evaluating the value all the teams every five years or so? What does it mean to be competitive? How many of the current teams are competitive? These things are not clear to me.

[@LordWay]

2 years they would have to solely focus on the rule change which would potentially increase their competitiveness. I understand if the teams that joined in 2010 and offered little performance wise was under their ownership but it wasn't. And they have made rules to increase the competitiveness and want to break into the US market even further what a strange decision.

[@therealfanmaster7097]

This is confirmation to me as an American. Formula 1 doesn't care about you. They don't respect your history, your culture, your traditions, your unique experiences. They only respect the cash. I honestly would completely boycott F1 for this. I'd say to Andretti and GM to go off and invest that money into a series that respects you. I've always had a problem with F1 being a series that doesn't allow the underfunded teams to compete, that they demand all teams be two cars no more no less. That customer teams are completely forbidden. That they can't even be bothered to give the underdogs (when I say underdogs, I don't mean Haas, Williams, Sauber. I mean ART, Prema, DAMS, Carlin, THOSE underdogs.) the illusion of achieving success. Even for that, this is ridiculous. I say that as Americans, we say no to this disrespect.

[@diogopaisjorge7557]

Imagine Andretti build an f1 car and put Alex Palou making a better lap time than some f1 drivers...

[@dustinjohnston2666]

The idea that Andretti would not bring value to F1 is laughable. The name Andretti IS motorsports in the US. As an American fan, I would LOVE an American team to root for (one not owned by Ebenezer Haas). The combo of Andretti and GM would explode interest in the US at a time F1 is trying to maximize their commercial footprint here. We get the embarrassment of the Miami GP every year, but we can’t have Andretti and GM? Pure pettiness and cowardice at the feet of the other teams who don’t want another competitive team to share the pie with. Thanks for all the good work, Tommo! Love from the states!

[@natetsh]

It's a huge disappointment and show the lack of personality of the F1 organization. They don't want something serious, they want something entertaining enough to make money while stil havit the control over the narrative they'll choose.

[@charlesjmouse]

AN UTTER JOKE indeed. I'm old enough to remember when the grid was so full there had to be pre-qualifying to ensure a manageable number of cars on the grid. This was just one of the reasons why F1 was far, far better BITD.