Formula 1 Speed Compared to Other Race Cars

Formula cars, GT cars, Prototypes, Stock cars and Super Bikes. Different racing disciplines produce very different machines, all with different strengths and weaknesses.
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But how do they stack up? Which would win in a Quarter Mile drag race? Or a Top Speed run? But the biggest question I have is which would win in a race around a circuit?
Well, we’ve done some calculations to find out.
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Well firstly, we should run through the cars.
Starting with Formula 1, our benchmark for this test. These cars have just over 1000 horsepower and weigh around 800kg in race trim. But as we know, they are tuned for maximum corner speed, with lots of downforce - and so this may hinder it in a straight line but pay dividends around a lap.
Next is Formula 2, very similar in weight, less aero and less power with around 820 horsepower.
Then we have it’s baby brother, F3. This has less power, but much less weight.
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[@marcusvolpicella5277]

3:21 "Now powerful bikes to tend to be hard to launch..." *Guy does a fucking backflip*

[@whywhiteboy]

lmaoo

[@jeffreyt02]

This killed me hahahaha

[@slav_-9179]

I laugh the moment I saw it

[@do7amohamed429]

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[@do7amohamed429]

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[@Jimmy_Broadbent]

I am now a scientist

[@MudhaffarAdhwa]

Hello jimmer

[@honeyfun24]

a wild jimmer appears

[@MrDragonballzjp]

The legend appeard

[@RafaHuel]

reeee

[@redacted178]

Please no punterino, Jimmer

[@KohenWizard]

Stock cars can actually reach an estimated 235 mph on tracks like Daytona and talladega but are restricted by restrictive plates that knock them down to 190-200 and were introduced in 1988 (or close to that) after a crash was inches away from killing multiple spectators

[@opoxious1592]

Indeed, in terms of top speed Stock Cars are faster than Formula-1

[@n1sc9rfan29]

@@opoxious1592 obviously yes

[@OumuamuaOumuamua]

@@opoxious1592 I find it amazing how a fat heavy weight car is able to be faster than a well crafted million dollar machine

[@opoxious1592]

@@OumuamuaOumuamua That's amazing indeed. But i like it 😎

[@Deltaexe190]

@@opoxious1592 no it’s not they have less horsepower I dont give a damn what it can or can’t do it’s limited and that’s it

[@PoRRasturvaT]

Not retiring at the first contact is why I watch LMP and GT racing.

[@neovo903]

Hungary lol

[@EricBurns1]

Indycar too. Look up Grosjean’s pass on Johnson at Laguna Seca

[@freddarau]

@@EricBurns1 that s*** was f****** Epic, down the inside one of the most dangerous Corners in the United States, yeah It ripped up a bit of Bodywork but he didn't end up losing any time off it.

[@Knockthefout]

MotoGP is good too

[@iguessishouldntputmynamehe5503]

@@freddarau it was a retarded ass move in my opinion. I love the fact that they kept going, but divebombing a series rookie is a stupid ass move 10/10 times. He was never gonna leave space.

[@MrHaha2412]

The random Jimmy's 'reeee' got me

[@spaghettiman2.052]

All hail our lord and saviour Jimmy Broadbent!

[@TheBedroomSimRacer]

V10 noise:RÈEEEEEEEE

[@SteveLego]

Same

[@axelode45]

7:44

[@Thunnini_Tom]

Same aha gold

[@tinyredgiant9915]

With that "rubbing is racing" attitude of them NASCAR folks, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near them on a bike!

[@zacjohnson452]

Same haha

[@Schizz_Popinov]

Not so much rubbing these days as the bodies tend to crush more and cause cut tires. You don't want to cut a tire going into a turn as they are vicious hits.

[@simonrano8072]

You don't want to be in the middle of pro road cyclist peloton with 3 km to go for the sprint neither ;)

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

NASCAR don't really rub anymore. They bump.

[@ronaldotoppo5109]

@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks CDs

[@Dinara1up]

Awesome video. MotoGP bikes today produce way over 280HP, with the Ducati's easily into the 300HP range at the wheel! They also have aero elements all over the bike now.

[@dr.jillalicecooper2587]

300hp at the wheel Lmao

[@Jaibee27]

This video is bull sh. Lap times at Circuit of Americas show that Motogp is 10 seconds faster than Nascar but this guys uses some weird logic to say they would have the same same lap time at Spa. Most car channels are paid to say bikes are slow as they would be major competitors if people knew how affordable a bike is compared to a supercar. If everyone rode bikes these guys would go out of business.

[@mr.0017]

@@Jaibee27 mid motogp

[@nicolasneumann1886]

@@Jaibee27 I didn't know there was tribalist hostility between "the car people" and "the bike people", but here you are. This is some tinfoil hat sh*t

[@SurrealCereal]

@@Jaibee27 you know this is a racing channel right? They're not trying to sell anything.

[@gabequinn9796]

Technically, the top speed in Nascar is 212 mph by Bill Elliott back in 1987, the year before restrictor plates were introduced. This 212 mark was 3 mph off of the pole sitter for the Indy 500 that year. But we're talking a weight difference of 2000 lbs.

[@BlueSkyCrystals]

It’s much higher now. Rusty Wallace did some testing at Talladega many years ago without the restrictor plate and got up to about 228mph.

[@IndoClaudioGT]

@@BlueSkyCrystals Add the bump-draft tecnique and there you go...

[@akyhne]

Top speed on Le Mans was 407 km/h or 251 mph. That was in 1988, set by a Peugeot prototype WM-P88 prototype. The difference being, these cars could also corner fast, on a real race track.

[@v8ramair145]

"After a few laps, the green light came from the pits to raise the pressure turbos and so the French driver reached speeds of over 400 km / h for several laps, with the maximum recorded speed of 405 km/h, but the stresses on the engine, combined with the previous problems, forced him to retire due to electrical problems, of cooling and turbo."

[@wyland_6247]

@@v8ramair145251 is still wild

[@yogiewisesa2802]

Jimmer's Nordschleife series finally put into some good scientific use LMAO

[@german_doggy7314]

Just realized that lmao

[@diesel5471]

We did it lads

[@91Fusion]

shed for baseline

[@MaximusLongus]

@Driver61 Why is there no link?

[@HeavyMetalMonkey]

Jimmers the Scientist, answering questions we thought no one would ever ask... until now.

[@gupiwa]

Jimmer doing science: "REEE!"

[@jeanforgeron2635]

Back in 2017, I was looking for tutorials on how to improve my driving skills to get better lap times on Project Cars 2 and thumbled on your channel. I was mindblowed by the quality of your content and knew you would become big some day! Congratulations, you deserve this success!

[@deadlybladesmith3093]

I would love to see how fast an F1 car or NASCAR could be if the rules were no longer in play. (FiA for F1 and NASCAR for NASCAR). It would be really neat to see what peak engineering would actually look like.

[@tstuff1213]

Well even with the same bodies and chassis. At least in tbe Gen 6 era for sure. It is estimated that just unrestricting the horsepower could send the cars well over 220mph at tracks like Daytona and Talledega so have said over 230mph. Now if you let them go crazy with aero too we could see 240mph or more who knows with the help of a drafting partner

[@abhir7823]

Without rules they are not F1 cars anymore It would just be a prototype showcasing the best an automotive company could do And even faster would be if you remove humans out of the equation... 'drone' cars...how fast could an AI car go round a track?

[@jasonstevenson110]

With or without rules, F1 will always have way more downforce, are way lighter, and brake way harder and have way superior technology. It is an insult to compare F1 with NASCAR in any way, shape or form. Australia has a V8 Supercar category where even those cars are way quicker around most circuits than any NASCAR. The Australian Grand Prix held in Melbourne has NASCAR supporting races.

[@Person01234]

@@abhir7823 Moreover, without rules they would basically just evolve into the same car. With no rules there will be the same optimal characteristics for a given challenge (or a general challenge) that both sides would come to settle on and enhance.

[@muffincakes3768]

@@Person01234what is bro on abt 😭 there’s so many different manufacturing roads to go down the cars would be insanely different. Just look at older f1 cars having 6 wheels or something

[@thehun99]

The data on the F3 graphic is the same as on the F2 :)

[@mymindmakesnoises]

LoL

[@zacjohnson452]

@@mymindmakesnoises League of Legends

[@Driver61]

You are correct, mistake there. Thanks for the comment!

[@pSynrg303]

@@user-db1pn4ky2b current F3 about 280KW ( ~380HP)

[@BrunoRafaelAntunes]

@@user-db1pn4ky2b 380hp according to the F2 Page www.fiaformula2.com/About/14LCsEEMG9yyx5DkhcN1J8/the-car-and-engine-f2

[@flakey7832]

3:21 narrator talking calmly while someone in the background shatters his spine

[@vinipcplayer]

powerfull bikes do tend to be really hard to launch but....weeeee

[@GloomGaiGar]

knee and elbow, made a full recovery since then

[@osuryan3585]

@@GloomGaiGar do you have a link for the video?

[@ASpastikLlama]

Also remember for top speeds they reach, the motogp bike would have the lowest corner speed before any straight where you measure the speed, meaning its actually accelerating from a much lower speed, it has more work to do down the straight, if you could somehow exit the corner at the same speeds as the cars the top speed could be even higher!

[@C_R_O_M________]

Top speed is measured on a straight line on a leveled surface. Not on circuits.

[@ASpastikLlama]

@@C_R_O_M________ no these stats refer to the highest speeds achieved by these vehicles in their respective championships, meaning, on track.

[@C_R_O_M________]

@@ASpastikLlama that's not top speed then. That's top speed under special premises. Imagine if all MotoGp circuits didn't have a straight long enough for the bikes to "stretch their legs" and THAT was referred as "top speed". That wouldn't be right, would it?

[@ASpastikLlama]

@@C_R_O_M________ i even stated "top speeds they reach"

[@C_R_O_M________]

@@ASpastikLlama I'm not complaining so much about you but how the producer of this video punched in top speeds without controlling for variables such as real vs acquired top speed.

[@lesterbeedell9725]

MotoGP wins hands down for excitement, with the lead changing several times a lap, Bagnaia winning for Ducati recently, had me on the edge of the sofa

[@Rasperdan]

Maybe he should do a chart for excitement.

[@TimDaOne]

Well, Formula 1 Abu Dhabi GP was nuts

[@slimbrady6691]

I know a lot of ppl don't like NASCAR or oval racing, but damn they have the some exciting finishes. It doesn't get much better than this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqbLenmQepyMY6c

[@discgolfdetails9889]

@@Rasperdan MotoGP is the best racing to watch hands down!!!!!

[@recklessrickey9513]

@@TimDaOne MotoGP is *always* nuts

[@dannyvaux9040]

Jimmer makes a surprise cameo in the video "Everbody liked that"

[@drbunheada224]

smol reee

[@adriWRC_]

And then is the Unlimited class, the cornering speed of a F1, the acceleration of a Hypercar and the top speed of a MotoGP

[@alphatrion100]

One season and half of the drivers would be dead.

[@typhoon-7]

Top speed of Indycar would be better!

[@callummclachlan4771]

Talking about Hillclimbs and Time Attack? Because they are obviously the most extreme (in terms of freedoms) for cars that can corner.

[@pandre5458]

so not an indy fan huh?

[@gianlucatomasello9492]

@@typhoon-7 indy sucks

[@Ravlog_LP]

I would really like to know how that topspeed data has been taken. For example, the GT3 cars where shown with a topspeed of 250 kph. That may be right on some shorter tracks but at bathurst they can easily reach 280 and on the Nordschleife up to 290 kph.

[@ehrlichgesagt863]

Same with f1 we had 380 with slipstream does that count? Bec track Evolution is a thing or laps times that are from races where somebody pitted before the end of the race (thats why for example max has the best track record in Abu dabai)

[@RC-Hotdog]

I find it hard to believe that NASCAR and MOTOGP have similar lap times. NASCAR raced at Road America in Wisconsin and there lap times were slower than the super bikes that race there ( These bikes are even slower than motogp) PLUS the motorcycles have an extra section to go through that I’d guess would easily add 5-15 seconds on their times.

[@nathanwahl9224]

Something about weighing ten times as much, perhaps?

[@edwardwang6678]

"Powerful bikes do tend to be harder to launch" shows bike backflipping

[@syncmonism]

It can be a problem even for normal motor bikes, especially with people who are just starting to learn to ride them.

[@kiraamv5507]

@@syncmonism the first time i rode a bike itrlt yamaha rx5 i guess it barely had 15hp something but very light as soon as i let go of the clutch it was straight 90degrees 💀💀 i was just 13-14 yr old

[@fatpad00]

Theres a video out there of a pro mod(I think?) Hyabusa flipping 15 feet in the air and 100 feet down track. What happened was the boost controller failed and the turbo was making max boost on launch. Those bikes make like 600Hp when they're working right and launch like they're glued to the pavement, I cant imagine how much power it made in that brief moment to throw the bike like that. Edit: I was wrong on a few of the details. It was a honda running in the Comp class in Perth, Australia. Unfortunately it looks like the original video was taken down.

[@fairuzraz2468]

3:24 bruh I wonder if that driver OK or not.

[@Driver61]

*Correction* - It's been pointed out that the NASCAR time is wrong. The corrected time would be around 2:20 at Spa, meaning the GT3 and GTE cars are faster. Apologies, cheers for pointing that out 👍 Callum

[@maanavtriestuff]

Lol hello

[@RICHOCHANGO]

Most surprising was no SuoerGT cars

[@ducedevlstear2471]

Couldn't you do this comparison at COTA ? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_of_the_Americas You're welcome. Only the F2 & F3 are missing. Nobody from true civilised motorsport fans cares about the Formula gaeyE, Only if you want to see it embarrassed.

[@bugsam]

The most suprsing is the GT3 topping out at 240. I would love to know where that data was pulled from.

[@knightofthenine3121]

I think its time to pick up the Nascar cars at iRacing and let them all race at SPA as a event, which Dale Jr and the others would be in for it. Plus Nascar always raced at Canada, Watkins Glen and Sonoma

[@JKJ360]

Love to see NHRA Top Fuel on that acceleration graph. Zero to 338.17 mph / 544.23 km in 3.695 seconds. (1000' track)

[@nascarnational]

i'd love to see an updated version of this video around this time next year, i reckon the competition would be even closer amongst everyone, especially considering both nascar & f1 will have next-gen vehicles debuting

[@ThePapaja1996]

And WRC to

[@TangoNevada]

F1 will most likely take a step back during development of the car under new rules.

[@BornIn1500]

NASCAR's speed won't change. They can already go too fast, which is why the restrictor plates are used on some tracks. The "Next Gen" will have those same restrictor plates. They won't go faster.

[@TangoNevada]

@@BornIn1500 Sure, as long as they only need to turn left on banked ovals. Come on! You have to be more knowledgeable about racing speeds than this comment suggests.

[@ivan_pozdeev_u]

0:52 "It has less power..." **shows the same 620HP**

[@ac2leung]

0:58 “It has less power…” *shows 750HP*

[@gileee]

"F2 with similar weight" shows 755kg "F3 with much less weight" shows 755kg

[@jayabouhamra5488]

was looking for that comment

[@ajfreshkid]

@@ac2leung less power than the F1 car he just mentioned

[@kaym8525]

He’s comparing it to F1 not against the one previously shown

[@ertugruldemirhan1381]

A little hiccup here at 6:33 Charles' lap was the race lap record not pole; the pole time was set by Valtteri with a 1.32.003 :)

[@troysantos7644]

Hey Driver61 hope all is well at your end. Enjoyed this vid.. Thanks.. And I know I’m not the only one who enjoys comparo vids.. Hope you’ll make some that compares car performance through the years from the same team.. From acceleration to track times etc.. Maybe Mclaren.. Ferrari .. Red Bull etc.. To see their development.. As always more views your way!!

[@rockchen9976]

Great simulation! I'm an indycar fan, and indycar is not slow on road course especially during manufacturer aero kit era(2015-2017 season)

[@sincarasuperfan2490]

Well actually no

[@jonathaniipinge8796]

The hypercars hybrid system is only allowed to work above 120 kmph

[@yeetusdelete0]

why? to limit acceleration?

[@jeshkam]

So they're not allowed to use the electric when coming out of the pits anymore?

[@jonathaniipinge8796]

The new regulations only allow the electric motors to engage drive above 120kmph because the other competitors wanted it to be more fair between awd cars and rwd cars

[@jonathaniipinge8796]

@@jeshkam ya as long the speed is below 120 kph in the dry and 140 kph in the wet

[@jeshkam]

@@jonathaniipinge8796 Ok, thank you.

[@jancarloanguiano5220]

so we're not gonna talk about that hyperbike flipping over?

[@rattusnorvegicus4380]

Probably because the next frame had limbs being wrenched off. I follow CycleDrag live events here on youtube. "The current world record is held by Top Fuel Veteran Larry "Spiderman" McBride who covered the quarter-mile in 5.50 seconds at 264 MPH on 21 November 2019​"

[@PM-sh1jz]

It's a drag bike, not a ninja H2R

[@GloomGaiGar]

@@rattusnorvegicus4380 is that what injured his elbow? shit i think the bike is what got his knee

[@rattusnorvegicus4380]

@@GloomGaiGar Yes the bike got my knee too, surgeon had to remove shards of shattered aluminium engine cover.

[@planetcaravan8044]

@@rattusnorvegicus4380 check out Eric Teboul with his Rocket bike. I got a Stranglers LP with your name on it btw ha ha

[@wickedgood1984]

A modern Cup series stock car without a restrictor plate or tapered spacer would be much faster than presented here. But I loved this video.

[@sjbechet1111]

This test has been done for real in Turkey, they even threw an F16 Fighter into the mix. A Kawasaki H2R road bike ( the cheapest vehicle there by a mile) spanked the lot of them and didn't get stuck in traffic on the way home.

[@TommoOnYoutube]

I really enjoyed this one. 👍

[@Ahmed_El-sharif]

Your stuff is top notch too mate. 👌

[@MrHatrick101]

Love from America, Tommo!

[@bdeoleveira8110]

What about Australian Supercars?

[@op466_gaming9]

Ok

[@zmotorsport2815]

too bad most of it is pretty bad and just wrong

[@kartaltoth684]

>Has a GT3 Merc for the DTM model despite using the Class 1 regs >The Alpine gets showed for P2 despite it being a grandfathered P1 racing in LMH >LMH cant use Hybrid under 120KmH and so on this video is a solid aint it.

[@gospodinkenobi9903]

Yes! Alpine in P2 annoys the hell out of me

[@zmotorsport2815]

and there are a LOT of factual mistakes in here as well. Hypercars don’t use hybrid power under 120kph, Hypercars are faster than LMP2 in a straight line, the percentage calculation is completely wrong, DTM is nothing like GTE at all

[@maceocapietto4090]

@@zmotorsport2815 and Nascar is no way near GT3 and even further from GTE

[@zmotorsport2815]

@@maceocapietto4090 yes of course, that stems from the wrong percentage calculation. I’m doing these exact same calculations (although more correctly haha) and NASCAR is around 145-50% of pace. More like GT4

[@Thee_Snow_Wolf]

@@maceocapietto4090 It's far worse than you think. If we apply the same logic used in the NASCAR comparison to the COTA GT3 lap record, you get a Spa time of 2:04.9 The fastest GT3 Spa time I saw (with an SRO BoP, this is important for a fair comparison) was a 2:18. They really dropped the ball on this

[@racingaddiction121]

Awesome vid ! now, MotoGP has the "holeshot device" to avoid a wheelie and stick dot the ground and do the 0-100kmh in less than 2 sec !

[@theinquiringminded6952]

Huge respect for the research! Amazing channel!

[@jimmymartin8394]

I don’t understand why you just didn’t compare the laps time from Cota. Almost every class you mentioned has raced there recently.

[@v6turbobuick]

Also....NASCAR raced at COTA in the rain so idk how well that time translates. Side note, i was at that race, Kyle Larsen was easily the fastest out there that day

[@megatron8490]

@@v6turbobuick i watched that race. It was kinda a shit show due to the puddling and the rooster tails causing wrecks. My driver is truex jr. And he ran into k Harvick, and then Custer literally hit truex so hard that truex went flying and landed on top of custer

[@moussamiller4812]

he probably was already halfway done with the spa calculations before he realized lol

[@supertornadogun1690]

@@v6turbobuick If Larson was the fastest why was chase gapping him by a second a lap at the end.

[@MasterKeyMagic]

I think the tracks surface is having serious problems already

[@yoyo-tx6zg]

Ah yes, motogp, my favourite race car

[@ostentatiousostrich]

Which he also called a Superbike, which is an entire different class.

[@E9X330]

@@ostentatiousostrich he also showed "DTM Cars" which nowadays are literally GT3 cars, but he showed the old class one cars, which were literally prototypes and much faster than GTE cars

[@sparklyqueen12]

What should it br called then

[@tappajaav]

@@sparklyqueen12 Race Vehicle

[@Sasahara-Lafiel]

Indy cards have very different setups for ovals vs street racing, so really you should specify which setup and not use both as the same car. Of course if F1 had ovals their setup would also change, gear box etc so the top speed would increase.

[@joeskis]

I recently watched the ending of a brilliant MotoGP race. The Ducati rider in 2nd and on the final lap intentionally took the last sharp turn slow. He wanted the leader to get a bigger lead. He knew his bike was faster in the remaining long straight away. He didn't want to be in first and allow drafting. It was very close but indeed he won it. Pretty impressive I'd say.

[@GT_FREAK]

A few mistakes to point out, the top speed of a gt3 car around spa is around 260 average from onboards, also GT3 did 2:10 around COTA this year so nascar isn’t faster around spa but all in all great video. Edit- In the GT WORLD challenge series the pole time for GT3 is 2:05.9, the time of 2:10 i posted before was the time in the first qualifying session.

[@Roadhouse1997]

Does gt3 race regularly at cota? This was only the first trip to cota for nascar and was affected all weekend by weather. And with the new car next year I'd expect to be even or maybe faster than 2:10

[@doperider85]

Hard to imagine nascar beating motogp around anything

[@takenoprisoners6604]

@@Roadhouse1997 IMSA hasn’t raced there since 2018 I believe but gt3 cars still race their regularly in other series. COTA isn’t a good example to compare lap times because like you said first time and weather affected the whole weekend. Better examples would be Xfinity series at road America and mid-Ohio.

[@takenoprisoners6604]

IMSA doesn’t show the top speed in their results anymore but the last time they did in 2018 at Daytona the fastest top speeds by the gt3 and gte cars were 294 and 299.

[@spforza6522]

@@doperider85 they don’t, motogp is 9 seconds faster in quali

[@David.R06]

4:13 next thing, we don‘t know how fast the Hypercars will be at max speed bc they didn‘t drive at Le Mans and the Glickenhaus will surely have more Top speed (Over 340 Kp/h) wich means they would be faster at Top Speed than the LMP2 Cars ^^

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

Generally the LMP1 and LMH/Dh carry more drag and as such, on the straights the LMP2 cars were quicker. I expect the same will follow again this year because once again LMP2 cars will be ballasted to carry even less pace than they did before

[@zmotorsport2815]

the video is wrong anyways, the Hypercars are beating LMP2 in the speed traps at both circuits they have raced at

[@David.R06]

@@zmotorsport2815 But they won‘t be slower at Le Mans, guess the Glickenhaus will be the Only Hypercar wich will be faster on Straights than the LMP2

[@zmotorsport2815]

@@David.R06 really? why would that be? I think the Toyota with the hybrid surely is going to beat the LMP2 as well. LMP2 already race with Le Mans bodykits at normal tracks this year.

[@David.R06]

@@zmotorsport2815 But the Toyota is a Hybrid Car, they where slower than the LMP2 Cars since 2018

[@WeThePeople2020]

I would love to see this with some of the fastest road legal cars as well.

[@Donovaan]

This is a good place to start: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times

[@blueredlover1060]

My question actually is are they looking at the 550 or the 750 HP package. It makes a large difference as to how the car would perform at the track. Also, NASCAR runs tapered spacers to get them down to either HP. A true test would be without either of these. NASCAR cars without a tapered spacer can pull almost 900 HP, which gets them into comparable situations to LMP3 cars.

[@briansonnenfelt7125]

It was probably the 750 since he used COTA as the example. But COTA was also rained out for most of that weekend, so it’s not a great source.

[@tuftyterror983]

I think I saw somewhere that a 900 hp no tapered spacer next gen car could go upwards of 220 mph+

[@Kraven83]

2:13 2021 MotoGP bikes have 300hp in qualifying, if not something more (Ducatis and KTMs in particular).

[@rattusnorvegicus4380]

...&...."Losail is one of five circuits with a straight longer than one kilometre, and Frenchman Johann Zarco used it to set a new maximum speed record of 225.1mph (faster, by the way, than a down-force-laden F1 car). The top Yamaha clocked just 217mph.2 Jun 2021" The presenter also makes the error of calling MotoGP bikes "Superbikes" at the start.MotoGP bikes by definition are prototypes. "Superbikes" covers a class that have been through the homologation type approval process , ie a production-based run to legitimise approval for racing. Not so with MotoGP racing motorcycles.

[@Kraven83]

And Brad Binder on a KTM equalled Zarco's top speed on his Ducati, this time in free practice 3 at the Italian GP at Mugello. 362.4km/h or 225.2mp/h Those bikes are proper beasts.

[@johnpelham4292]

also if you use COTA lap times for the comaprison with motogp/F1 the spa equivalent would be a 2:03.6 (over 5 seconds faster than what they predicted using the red bull ring so just goes to show that this stuff is not super accurate

[@TheShellRocks]

@@johnpelham4292 my thoughts exactly

[@mint_au]

@@johnpelham4292 exactly what i was thinking, how can a big heavy nascar have the same time of a moto gp bike with agility, higher top speed and the tight cornering speed. i think his math was total bullshit

[@Alps6408]

Those LMP1’s have always fascinated me. I’ve always wondered whether they were faster than an F1.

[@FatVaderStudio]

Porsche ran their 919 evo (or whatever it's called) around a lot of tracks as a final huzzah for their hybrid lmp1 and managed to beat the F1 quali pace on some tracks, but with a heavily modified version of the 919 without any of the restrictions such as lights and some aero

[@vojtas08jarema]

@@FatVaderStudio yes, especially on Spa, where they beat the lap record of f1 (the one from race). That was in 2018 before the Belgian GP and Kimi beat the time of the Evo, so.. Yeah. And that was 3 years ago, the cars are much faster mow

[@dbabu51]

No. The 919 evo which has no limits is comparable to an f1 car in a corner with more straights but the f1 car is much better in twisty tracks

[@DEE-qu5mc]

@@FatVaderStudio Yes that's right, without restrictions. If the f1 car was unrestricted, it would blow away the 919.

[@sandwichgamer0575]

But those were hypercars... lmp1 cars are actually faster than hypercars and even faster than indy cars.

[@ahsanmohammed1]

3:39 - should’ve written car names on tracks

[@pandadawg2620]

3:22 that cut was amazing

[@zakvilanilam3388]

0:53 those are the same stats as the F2 car

[@rattusnorvegicus4380]

Yep, shoddy work/research/coverage in several places, but I like this channel so will cut him some slack....he`s earning a crust and banging them out, lol.

[@ARDEN440i]

I refuse to believe a Nascar will be quicker around Spa than a GT3 or GTE car

[@jonasf8087]

Nascar is heavy and slow in road course corners, because they are built for ovals. But on a long straight they actually get pretty fast.

[@ErwinLiszkowicz]

I refuse to believe that as well. They are fast on the straights but absolutely hopeless in the corners. Here's a video of a league race that raced stock cars at Spa kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6rFmX1untGpl9k Lap times well above 2:30s

[@jannikmoller3705]

and GT3 cars only having a top speed of 240-250 kph according to this video is wrong too.

[@Khan-ts2ji]

@@jannikmoller3705 Yes. GT3s can go over 170 mph(274kmh)

[@knightofthenine3121]

Nascar Cars Depends of the package 70's Nascar era stock cars Survived Lemans and still hold record there at the Straight

[@donaldsalkovick396]

I'm glad I found this channel your videos are very interesting and very good. Huge Michael Schumacher fan here

[@coqpit77]

Great comparison! Well done!

[@rawrgrr1273]

That clip of the bike flying at the start caught me off guard.

[@Jtngetabettername]

How does the Hybrid power come in use for the Hypercars for 0-100 km/h, when it cannot be engaged below 120 km/h?

[@abcdefgh-xf2th]

because they did not do any research and just took the common knowledge that a LMP1H is super fast at slow speeds and applied it to the current bop hyperwagon without thinking for a moment about the current regulations.

[@Ytfrot]

@@abcdefgh-xf2th 2018 year lmp1 cars like 919 hybrid evo would be easily second on that list after f1 cars. they was insanely fast.

[@WarayF1]

@@Ytfrot the 919 evo doesn't belong to any class though, it's modified unregulated and won't even classify as an lmp1 car. So the author doesn't included it on the list.

[@I_Am_Griff]

this video was exactly what i was looking for!!! thank you man, you did a great job comparing all the different categories and that helped me identify which one is my favorite! i love the GT series, i love cars that LOOK like cars on the street. GTR's, Ferraris, Lambos, Porsches, R8's...those are fun, also other "regular" cars, camaros + mustangs etc. does anyone know more specific racing series like those ones? are they all GT series?

[@eac1235]

This is a really great video. Very well thought out...

[@BornProtector]

MotoGP produce in excess of 300bhp currently. Their current top speed record is 362.4kmph at Losail, Qatar. And this was achieved with wings for down force. Yes, they do have aerodynamic winglets. If they raced at a track like Monza, they would easily exceed 370kmph.

[@Smzxe]

They would reach 377 km/h maybe 380+ kph on Monza

[@David.R06]

Mistake at 1:27 This isn‘t an LMP2 Car! It is the Alpine LMH Car. But still nice Video^^

[@QasimAli-to5lk]

Almost the same

[@joejunior4700]

It's categorized in this new prototype top class as LMH but originally an LMP2 car but weighted down by BOP, correct me if I'm wrong cuz it's just what I remember on the explanations on KZbin. EDIT: *This comment had already been corrected by the replies below*

[@David.R06]

@@QasimAli-to5lk There are some differences but yea, they look similar but have speedand Aero differences

[@David.R06]

@@joejunior4700 Its completely wrong It is basically the old Rebellion wich just has a pretty similar Chasis to LMP2 but it isn‘t an LMP2, front looks a bit different and there are some more differences

[@thehun99]

@@joejunior4700 The Alpine LMH is a grandfathered LMP1 car, not an LMP2.

[@SlugInsideTub]

3:22 Bro went into the stratosphere 💀

[@atomicdmt8763]

outstanding! THIS answers so many questions~

[@martinvale1208]

The superformula was missing in the comparison, by my calculations based on suzuka, the spa time would be approximately 1m50s

[@momchilyankov2197]

Glad to know Sheddy Irvine’s extensive testing is being put to use

[@brianholmes1812]

Now this is a race I would love to watch

[@falinestixiaolong9691]

The #36 Alpine A480 shown at 1:25 and other parts of the video to illustrate the LMP2 class, even though it is retrofitted from an LMP1 and does not have a hybrid system, competes in the Hypercar category with the #7 Toyota (it even won at Monza this year), as evidenced by the red square around the number of the car (LMP2 are blue).

[@chadhagans6687]

Good video. Might want to re check nascar top speeds they’ve been artificially limited seeing how the fastest lap was registered by Bill Elliot in the 80’s. There are rumors former nascar greats Rusty Wallace & Jeff Gordon at separate times had the restrictor plates removed and took off around Talledega and clocked average lap speeds above 230mph. The problem with those speeds come when you put 40 other cars out there at once, it’s no longer driver safety that’s the concern. The ability of the catch fence, safer barrier protecting the crowds is the concern. Watch the near future, with nascar viewing dwindling, they’ve began doing things they never would’ve 10 years ago(see dirt track @ Bristol) we may get a restrictor plate free race at Daytona or Talledega with average lap speeds above 230mph with twice the weight & half the tires.

[@Striball]

MotoGP is brutal. Faster than an F1 car on most straights and you're sitting on a bike

[@Traxxmaciek]

As quick as a nascar around a track too

[@PM-sh1jz]

We don't hear MotoGP riders or TT racers crying about safety, they say it is dangerous with a smile on their face.

[@varuntomer1725]

F1 is all around car with good straight line and cornering speed.

[@PM-sh1jz]

@@varuntomer1725 Built for cornering, but a $2000 - 1000cc road bike is faster on straights. LMP1 car is also faster on the straights.

[@danh6720]

@@PM-sh1jz kinda do. Which is why GP stopped including the TT as a round. But yeah, crashes and broken bones then riding a week or two later are pretty common in GP

[@lordjake2350]

U do realise that the doge Tomahawk bike was estimated at a theoretical speed of 420 mph (680 km/h), but later revised this downward to 300 mph (480 km/h), and spokesmen did not answer questions on how this estimate was calculated.

[@apaaja7189]

Motogp top speed record: Johann Zarco - 362.4 km/h - FP4, 2021 Qatar GP F1 top speed record: Valtteri Bottas 372.5 km/h - 2016 Mexican Grand Prix

[@Smzxe]

Moto GP 363 kph at 900 meters F1 372 km/h 2200 meters Moto GP 400 km/h at 1600-1700 meters 🤣 rip F1 Mugello straight is 1.1 km long and 200 meters braking zone for Moto GP So total distance 900 meters for full run And you know Mexico straight is 2.2 km long So it's obvious Moto GP bikes are much faster than F1 cars Mugello Moto GP 362 km/h F1 mugello 326 km/h only with DRS😢

[@mateusmarquesmesquita3866]

This video was nice!!! The graphics work that you are doing is really paying off ;D Thanks for sharing it with us!!

[@RBurwell]

Good to see someone actually mention the tiny contact patch used by GP bikes. Bhp / sq cm would be interesting to look at for all of these.

[@keyboarddancers7751]

That is intensely geeky and yet I now feel my life is incomplete without this knowledge.

[@fatpad00]

It's crazy what they do with so little rubber. F1 tires are 720mm in diameter and 305mm wide in front and 405mm in rear. MotoGP uses a 120mm wide by 600mm diameter for the front, and 200mm by 690mm rear. So by comparison, for acceleration, motogp has less than 1/4 the width of the F1 car, and on top of that, the tire is curved, so they cant even use the full width at any given time. For cornering, the front tires are 1/5 the width, and smaller diameter. Its bonkers that MotoGP makes the times that they do. And dont sleep on WSBK. It might not be as prestigious, but their lap times are shockingly close to motoGP, only a few seconds a lap, lap records at Losail are 1:54.3 for motoGP vs 1:56.6 for WSBK. In a race, of course that's a ton of time, but consider its prototype vs homologation and it's insane. By comparison, (I'm looking at 2018 LaSarth) GTE cars were running more than 30 seconds slower than the LMP1 times of 3:15 per lap.

[@Praise___YaH]

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[@RBurwell]

@@Praise___YaH That's great but will it help me go around corners faster?

[@kuyt20]

@@fatpad00 Yeah? But motogp has a lot less restrictions applied to it on a yearly basis to prevent the engineers from making the machines too fast like they do in F1. F1 cars would be a lot faster and also a lot more dangerous than today's versions had they not banned a lot of new innovative inventions over the last few decades.

[@facundootero7973]

I would take some of the GT3 and GTE info with a big grain of salt as that GT3 and GTE can have up to the same 600Hp. Secondly, the "LMP2" car that you were showing was actually an LMP1 car, if we want to be more exact the Alpine LMP1.

[@Emod02]

The lap record of an LMP1 car (referred here as Hypercar) is 1:41.7. However, this record was not set during a race weekend but was part of the Porsche 919 evo's tribute series and was set in August 2018

[@sunjidasultana4648]

That lmp1 is ofc unrestricted so it wouldn’t count.

[@revenger210]

i kinda hope we'll see this w more disciplines now, would love to see the JGTC or the V8 supercars from australia put in the test as well, or maybe even the current roster of wrc cars xD Excellent video btw, enjoyed it immensely!

[@IndoClaudioGT]

GT500 cars from the JGTC are as fast as LMP1

[@demomanchaos]

Did a test like this in GT5 years back, and the results were unsurprising. That said I"d LOVE to see a contest like this but with various eras of motorsports.

[@mr8I7]

The NASCAR was way too fast on that game!

[@german_doggy7314]

Group C vs f1 v10s vs 210mph indycars? Yes please

[@rickenfatania]

2:49 set play speed to 0.25 it's an enthralling race!

[@timtravasos2742]

Great analysis and presentation.

[@BillyCherokee]

gREEEEEEEEat video! Btw shouldn't the MGP have the highest top speed? Zarco reached 362km/h this year before he ran out of space. Ducati claimed they could reach 400 km/h with longer straights

[@_shreyash_anand]

Na IndyCars reach higher speeds at Indy. But nowhere else do they get anywhere close

[@BillyCherokee]

@@_shreyash_anand So the video is more about the speed they do reach on their respective tracks of the championship than the potential top speed they could reach in the same track, allright, sorry, i'm from spain so sometimes it's difficult for me to understand the videos

[@_shreyash_anand]

@@BillyCherokee no worries. I think he meant max speeds achieved full stop. If we go track specific MotoGP will definitely win. Another thing to note. An oval spec indycar will probably be slower than all cars here other than Nascars because it has no downforce.

[@pratham-1205]

F1 reached 372kmph in monza lol

[@Minamou.-]

@@pratham-1205 dont forget MotoGP doesn't have Over Take button and DRS.

[@alinush27]

There is a mistake regarding the GT3 and GTE - the first ones have less aero, not the other way around afaik.

[@abcdefgh-xf2th]

also if there is a power difference a GT3 cars likely has more due to more flexible regulations and bop

[@johnnybanks61]

Big props for shouting out Jimmy.

[@MrGunsnrosesfan100]

Would've been interesting to see LMP1 there as well, They were much more powerful than the new Hypercar class and I'm pretty sure they have more aero stuff as well.

[@fargoththemoonsugarmaniac]

I was wondering why he's referring to LMP1 as Hypercar, so thanks for your comment! Didn't know LMP1 got replaced

[@Malc664]

That is an excellent production video. Very interesting for a motorsport fan and technical mathematics to get those results. Thank you, I love all your presentations.

[@theoracleprodigy]

Great video. Always loved cars growing up. About five years ago I started riding bikes on tracks. The level of performance to dollars spent is extremely cheep compared to cars. Even track days are cheaper.

[@redsheepnobs877]

Easy steps to figure this out Step one : get accurate mods for the cars in assetto corsa Step two : set npc diffuculty to max and now start the race and stand still Step three : replay the race Ik its a game but its roughly the same besides even if the race wouldnt be accurate the results would be close

[@rafidbinnashir6468]

The amount of research and effort put into making this video... I can only Imagine.. Hats off

[@E9X330]

They didn't tho, most of the things they said are incorrect

[@nighthawx5883]

Actually, a MotoGP bike delivers about 300 HP, like the KTM RC16 from Pol Espargaro from 2019. So the power to weight ratio is even more insane, it's very close to 2 HP per kg weight.

[@IntriguedGaming]

Motortrend needs to hire this guy. His mini docs are better than 90% of thier MT original content.

[@Fpvpilot928]

And there's no pay break to watch the content here, either. On that thought, he shouldn't be hired by Motortrend, as I'd never see his videos anymore, lol

[@krish5029]

😂😂😂

[@isokrah]

He would eran more money on yt

[@Fpvpilot928]

@@isokrah I thought that as well. Look at Jason Camissa. He looks happier away from MT.

[@karlailin]

What a smashing video. Thank you guys.

[@jacksonm.6549]

Thank you for including metric measurements in this video. That's all I wanted to say (pretty much o/nly Americans and the Brits use MPH, so I have to do conversions whenever I come across miles instead of Kph)

[@tar4ka25]

I dont think the Brits use MPH

[@jacksonm.6549]

@@tar4ka25 Actually they do. They use miles, yards and feet for measuring distances. They're officially supposed to have converted to the metric system but they never went through with the roadworks, and older folks were struggling to adjust to kilometres. Watch Top Gear or any British show with vehicles.

[@juaneer]

I'm pretty sure a world rallycross car would beat the LMP to 100kph.

[@rattusnorvegicus4380]

There`s a good vid of one playing with LH back in his McLaren days

[@paulallen8109]

But rallycross cars aren't circuit racing cars are they? To my knowledge they race on a combination of tarmac and dirt tracks. They're more rally cars than circuit race cars. At any rate a rallycross car is too slow in the top speed to have a chance against any of these circuit race cars.

[@juaneer]

@@paulallen8109 even if it's tarmac/dirt it's still a circuit though. I'm pretty sure the top speed is comparable to like a Formula E

[@GloomGaiGar]

@@paulallen8109 still a circuit? it's a loop isn't it?

[@zrob8]

Jimmy gets used for real scientific evidence. Jimmy: REEEEEE!!

[@Rolly_27]

5:20 i noticed this while just looking for the short time , i live 30 mins away from this track and go to see races! its VIR!

[@alexx7430]

This is a really well made video wow

[@taytaytay871]

0-100kph: Rally Cross car already left the scene...

[@knn3th]

A Rallycross car does 0-100 in just under 2 seconds. Roughly the same as an LMP1 (Hyper Car). A Rallycross' top speed is about 125mph/200kph which makes it the slowest of the lot.

[@johnulmer1622]

Okay Scott. I have a bit of an issue with your theoretical lap times at Spa. Check the GTE cars pace at COTA, in comparison to the stock cars. There is no way the stock car would be that much slower at COTA (~5 seconds), yet somehow faster at Spa.

[@iguessishouldntputmynamehe5503]

Stock cars are straight line menaces and have a substantial amount of horsepower. They also have massive brake disks. Oh, and he forgot to mention that the qualifying session he used was in the pouring rain. Look up Nascar Cota from this past year, it was messy.

[@dr.jillalicecooper2587]

No way Nascar will lap as fast as MotoGP bike Lmao That guy is a joke

[@johanneshaukanes4531]

4:23 wow Indy car is fast! And I didn`t know there where so many formula cars.

[@noelht1]

2:51 that chart reminds me of the Camel derby games you used to get on the funfairs, where you would have to throw balls through the holes to make your camel progress in the race.

[@JRShof]

NASCAR around COTA is a 2:16. MotoGP around COTA is a 2:03 That doesn’t seem equal at all..

[@JRShof]

@SirWojt lol, nothing to edit. Those are the times.

[@rapip3348]

@SirWojt no he's saying that the lap time of MotoGP is 2:03 while NASCAR IS 2:16

[@andrewsuitor9811]

yeah motoGP would kill a nascar in anything but an oval imo

[@raisu_5864]

6:54 motogp is faster than NASCAR at COTA. Marquez did a 2:03 at COTA in 2014, 9 seconds faster than the NASCAR time at COTA that you mentioned.

[@hibiki9380]

No one cares

[@markcook3570]

@@hibiki9380 Never speak for others.....

[@hibiki9380]

@@markcook3570 who asked?

[@waklichannel]

engineer : calculation for speed comparison me : drag race!!

[@ricky8545]

It would be very interesting if those cars and bike would race in a same track on a same time to see who is the fastest...Good job sir, respect