Formula DRIFT 2023 Decel Light. What Is It?

[@oscaralvarado2899]

Had to rewatch the Aasbo/Fields run again on slow motion. Aasbo's light turns red after he hit the wall. Fields was spinning out before the decel light.

[@deadeye1652]

yeah right these lights are based on G forces its not like he did it on purpose. that was pretty unfair.

[@skoomd4447]

Matt field gets away with a lot, he faked his way all the way to the podium getting handed the win for free practically

[@stephen2282]

yea I think they were coming at it from the standpoint of Aasbo overslowing in that zone to get himself out of trouble and I think Matt coming in as committed and as fast as he did made it look more egregious. ie you can see how fast the gap closed. Maybe matt was on the verge of overrotating but considering he was as close as he was when Aasbo had his moment in a part of the track that they shouldnt, somewhat took some responsibility away from matt.

[@thatsgangsta2450]

@@skoomd4447 bro are you an Aasbo fan? Aasbo gets away with waaaay more then anyone else even Field

[@SlayJDub]

@@thatsgangsta2450 was gonna say, im pretty sure Aasbo has a history of such shenanigans.

[@patchworkrecordingstudios]

I appreciate the sharing. It looks to be like there are still some kinks to work out. I watched the Aasbo replay so many times and cannot see any visual change in momentum for Aasbo and before Aasbo touches the wall you can already see Matt throwing more angle. To me and my analysis Matt was going to spin, no matter what. The overhead drone shows it best. The decel light should only be the first part of the analysis, once you see the light, the analysis then needs to be did it affect the chase driver. In my novice opinion this didn't happen in this circumstance. I feel the angle that Matt Field threw at the car was not recoverable. I saw no evidence that he actually made contact with Aasbo and the angle of his drift didn't change after Aasbo hit the wall it changed beforehand. This means the spin was independent of Aasbo's mistake and Aasbo should not have been penalised for it.

[@Charlie-Charlot]

This is one of the best addition to FD, thanks for keeping this series great !

[@GT86GT400]

So it is important where the G-Sensor is located. What if u have a small impact and the G-Sensor intrepretet it as a "decel" but it was not a decel?

[@The_Bliz]

This is just one component of many that the judges are using to determine driver intent and how that affects and scores a run. If there's an impact that would be visible from the camera operators and accounted for as a whole.

[@revotron69]

Surely they wont put it on the body of the car im sure they tie it to the chassis

[@anthonyantoine9232]

I'm sure the sensor is mounted to the chassis and is specifically measuring the component of the acceleration vector which runs the length of the vehicle, so direct side impacts going straight across the vehicle would have no effect on the lights and an impact directly to the rear of the vehicle pushing it straight forward would appear as additional acceleration. This is just my educated guess as to how they're doing this, so don't take it as gospel but rather a good guess as to how it'd function for a small impact. For an impact with angles much more complex than the perpendicular ones mentioned above, it's extremely hard to say exactly how it'd react. It certainly could conceivably show a decel where there truly was none, though, based on my understanding of how it likely works.

[@anthonyantoine9232]

@@mikehunt7857 Totally agree. It's supposedly for visible decel, but watching the controversial Field V Aasbo battle very closely from an overhead view you see absolutely no deceleration at that moment. It also really doesn't even make sense that Aasbo would decelerate as he's touching the wall but rather that he would accelerate to avoid getting deeper into the wall. If you watch frame by frame, it goes from partial green to full green in one frame when the bumper touches. It then goes from full green to full red (massive acceleration to massive deceleration) in one single frame as a gap between the bumper and wall reappears. It is bonkers to think that this is a valid, reliable result and it should not have been used in competition. There are certainly kinks to be worked out. It is indeed an exciting development, but they need to use their heads when analyzing the data it's producing and they also need to work on something to make sure that it's consistently providing reliable data.

[@josephmatuszak3855]

Hell yea! It should go a long way to showing how quickly a decel is occuring as well. So drivers are very smooth with multiple inputs including brake, and don't actually decel, and sometime a wall scrub can produce much more slow down than expected.

[@ZeLoShady]

I like this addition but there needs to be a lot of testing done to make sure these are working as intended. Using the Aasbo/Field thing as an example, what is the threshold for wall impacts which cause a red light (visual decel as said in the video)? Are you able to show a chart that plots that threshold at all? How do the sensors read the G force's and turn that into accel/decel data. Does the orientation of the car (angle) matter at all? If someone does a really snappy & quick transition, then get back on throttle (like going from OZ2-OZ3 at LB), will that cause a weird readout from the sensors due to the changing G's in that scenario. Overall, looking forward to seeing this in the sport. It will make a big impact and is another step forward for FD. Lot's of great changes this year overall really. If LB was anything to go by, it's going to be a sick season this year. Let's just hope that the judges don't miss a spinning chase driver spin out before a decel light comes on again. Let's be real too, Aasbo's line and angle didn't change AT ALL. Aasbo's car was not affected at all by the tap. What actually happened is that Matt got scared that Aasbo was going to wipe and just lost concentration resulting in him starting to over RO, then being unable to save the car, thus hitting the wall. You replied to another commenter about arguing physics.. If there is a G force sensor positioned near the back of the car, there is a possibility that the collision caused it to read improperly. When that bumper hits, it kinda hangs onto the wall (from the high amount of friction and the force of the car pushing it into the wall) for a second before being pulled off by the rest of the car continuing to move. While that bumper hangs onto the wall, the rest of the car isn't affected much but the bumper has experienced a decel. The car will continue with the same amount of momentum/speed because most of that impact is absorbed by the bumper and the crumple zones/bash bar on the car. These bumpers are designed for the purpose of reducting the force from the wall impact on the rest of the car. That light was only on for 1/10th of a second, not very long at least. It also went straight back to full green, same state as before the crash. In my mind, this could mean there is a possible error in the data caused by unforeseen circumstances. Of course I don't know where these things are installed but that sure does seem like a possible scenario for this. :)

[@zachwilson7061]

So where can you get these

[@B-skidz]

So Aasbo lost because he's g force changed and that saved Field 😂😂😂😂

[@revotron69]

Yea he slowed down

[@B-skidz]

@Ayrish Kumar No evidence to support that besides the new lights from FD and I mean it took them 20years to just get the right drones and have a decent stream

[@revotron69]

@Average African his decel light came on OC1 which is not a decel zone. And also freddie said he was going for the wall too and had to back up a bit. That's when field hit him.

[@B-skidz]

@@revotron69 the decel light doesn't mean he actually deceled its G force that could've been just pushing away from the wall , I posted a video look in slow mo Field doesn't even touch him and spins out also aasbos vehicles attitude never changed look carefully , I'm not here to argue with anyone just debate maybe but trying to keep my eyes open , I am only biased to the drivers I'm a fan of and I'm not for any of these two

[@revotron69]

@Average African saw your video pretty convincing. I wish Maximum driftcast was here to talk to both Field and Aasbo to get the insights.

[@ashleymoriahh]

I think it's an amazing and clever idea. It was just hard to see during the runs in Long Beach. And a graphic of the data would pop up sporadically in the left corner of the screen, it wasn't consistent. I'm looking forward to the rest of the season and how these play out!

[@formuladrift]

Ya, sunny events make it hard. That's why the graphic, but we'll get there

[@woody4u247]

Very visible compared to previous... but instead of G forces.... I'd like to see it display driver inputs like accelerator percentage or when they're on the brakes (different colors could ID if it's a foot brake or the drift brake being applied & how hard..... thatbwould be much more interesting

[@B-skidz]

Good time to post info especially after Aasbo and Field

[@The_Bliz]

Yeah, very convenient timing

[@B-skidz]

@The Bliz just waiting for the one where they admit the tech can be faulty

[@formuladrift]

More education is better, not worse, IMO

[@scotty305]

One step closer to video data overlay 👍. I think the addition of overhead drone views have been a big improvement to the live stream experience, and i think live telemetry would be another big improvement.

[@MrSparkey13]

Tuerck got robbed , it was obvious the tap caused the light to activate not a de-cell , there were at least 5 drivers hitting prob harder but the officals dont make sure the sensors are all in the correct spot . like Ryan said he might need to adjust it for next round ...

[@B-skidz]

Same as Aasbo

[@MrSparkey13]

Ha I think it was Aasbo !!

[@The_Bliz]

Thanks for the explanation. This is great to know as a spectator so we can understand judge decisions better.

[@tdolan500]

Oh my sweet summer child…

[@ConnorPawlowski]

I was expecting this video! Good to see👍👍

[@dylans7317]

Are the decel lights calibrated evenly and regulated on all the cars? What if one driver has more sensitivity than the other? It’s there a way to ensure no cheating? Maybe have a connector so that before competition a regulated sensor is installed on all the cars? Lots of questions Soz x

[@abdelkadertarakji6580]

Can I purchase this decel light kit?

[@x6itru]

where can i buy those?

[@lb9gta307]

I'm excited to see this in Atl. It was a little hard to see in the sunlight in real time.

[@hapyharyhard0n581]

Are you regulating G-sensor placement?

[@dorifuto2280]

This sport does not need more technicalities. You bump a wall you're going to change G force. Thats part of the follow drivers skill to see and adapt. Taking formula drift in a direction it has no business going. Just like the automatic zero days when forsbergs exhaust knocked the cone down. Let the drivers drive. Asabo had class not to clown the organization right then and there. You're forgetting the roots of the sport

[@fzR-up2uu]

They did say that in the drivers meeting, it was mentioned that they did not want the drivers to "use the walls as bump stops". We don't get to see the drivers meetings so we don't know the full extent of what the judges are looking for

[@jeremycook5836]

There’s a BIG difference between dragging bumper and bouncing off the wall like a pinball. I know it doesn’t look drastic from outside the car, but it definitely is from the chase perspective.

[@formuladrift]

That was eon's ago and realize that was horrible.

[@Bert1640]

The same realization will be made of this tech in 10 years too

[@Promethium666]

What's the point in it? the spectators can see you're moving or braking based off the sound and speed of the vehicle, is this for the lead cars information when chasing?

[@unknownswaps]

This would help alot last year in that situation Reeder Denofa when Chelsea said reader was slowing down where he shouldn't, and imho great tool for judges But also it can confuse people, like last weekend in Asbo Field scenario but yesterday after seeing short clip from someone right in front of them I would dare to say Asbo made a mistake sure, but Field did it also maybe even worse but not because Asbo, he went full charge as he should but miss the line and he would hitt if Assbo was there or NOT, so to blame Asbo for that was questionable call and lights imho made more confusion than help 🤷🏼‍♀️ All in all nice to see use of technology to improve the sport, but sometimes it needs time to let's say adjust it all 😉

[@formuladrift]

Ya, exactly tools can be used as tools or weapons in the wrong hands. You have to know what they are doing and how to interpret them. Thanks for coming to the table with knowledge.

[@DasParedes]

It's good to now that reads the G forces. Where it is place can impact that. During the event I only noticed those lights at the end ad thought that it was throtle/brake actuate

[@mikeschneider4274]

Looked to be like there was something not right about his initiation and he was already at full lock before the wall. He never touched the wall or Aasbo. Anyone know when the power steering went and why his wheels never moved from full lock before the wall until after Aasbo speed away?

[@sikendpothead]

I love the new lights, great idea

[@zachselby4429]

Where can I buy this kit for my drift skyline ?

[@mjfreak333]

Hell thought it had to be the gas pedal but that makes more sense for Gforces

[@MrRj600rr]

Need more technical videos on this channel.

[@Ph4nt0mK1t5un3Official]

ah so thats explains what I saw in LB, couldn't you've announced it before the event?

[@lb9gta307]

They did. They also talked about it during the livestream.

[@lucascourtney4479]

What brand is this? Anyone have a link or name?

[@V8TezzaBoss]

How can i purchase this light i like it

[@xosuferboyox]

I wish he would put a link for them in his description

[@Rezar_racing]

Love this cars

[@JKRmsrt]

Can we buy them?

[@FastPaull]

Atleast on stream, i couldn't see them in the daylight at all

[@alixramsubhag6307]

Where we getting those lights to purchase

[@protomor]

Kevin is GOAT!

[@sisteragatha6969]

where can i purchase one of these

[@2000lilhawk]

Why not go off the already existing wires for braking and TPS vamp clips work just fine

[@formuladrift]

Watch the Judging Regs video. Braking is a nice to have but braking pressure doesn't tell us anything useful because other inputs can offset that. We want to know what the car is doing physically, above and beyond inputs, though throttle, speed, etc are important and we have that in the live stream IU

[@speedjibaro4202]

KEVIN!!

[@jakeells66]

They had to come out with this video to clarify the Matt and asbo battle. The interviewer claimed he hit his brakes. I still think he got robbed tho

[@radityaindera3442]

Even with evidence you still think it's a robbery. So you think Matt is literally that rubbish to spin on his own?

[@LuckyFruitRacing]

@@radityaindera3442 yet he literally did spin out without any external force acting on his car.....whether it was deliberate or not is another issue, but he wasn't close enough to claim any decel from Aasbo caused his to spin

[@jakeells66]

@@radityaindera3442 pretty sure every single driver in FD has spun out on their own... Literally part of the sport.

[@radityaindera3442]

@@hoffman5982 Yeah I believe in the tech and Matt as a genuine c'ship contender and his interview afterwards. Practice is difference it is where you find your limits and do your mistakes. Come again when you have something meaningful.

[@s2jzx]

Can you explain the rules for spoilers/wings? Why is it not allowed ?

[@gitrekt-gudson]

I didnt realize they weren't allowed

[@midnoob1650]

I am definitely not sure but It might be because they run on a lot of tracks where on the ideal line, the wing could/would get caught and broken on walls and catch fences which, in addition to expensive damage could harm spectators and leave debris on track

[@fzR-up2uu]

There had been instances in the past(mostly overseas) where a spoiler would break off and cause injury to spectators/track workers.

[@lb9gta307]

GT style wings are not allowed on tracks with walls because they'de regularly get ripped off and they were generally at window height making them at best a massive distraction and at worst a safety hazzard. Other wing and spoiler designs may be approved like the factory style wing on Rad Dan's Supra.

[@zaaaidalbahri4524]

i need this light from where ???

[@anthonywiley6649]

How can i get one

[@fomo8177]

this is actually genius. Not only it helps the judges to come up with conclusions, the viewers too

[@folkabuss]

Is Kevins Korner coming back?

[@formuladrift]

yup

[@collinsxvibez3926]

me thinking i can get this for my normal street car! XD

[@HooliganCM]

Nioooce

[@floriangr7888]

For the sake of competition please remove the lights and show to the public where the G Sensor has to be placed keep the data and if needed display a Graph or something to show how the impact changed the velocity Show the people how much a car needs to decel for the light to turn red this video is not enough if you add Data to your show YOU and the people watching need to understand the data

[@lb9gta307]

The lights are for quick judging and for giving fans easy data to understand. Removing them defetes the purpose of the system and the threashold is confidential to keep teams from barely avoiding it. The judges have more specific data they can look at, some of which the teams asked to keep confidential and some of which they plan to make public.

[@formuladrift]

We cannot tell people what triggers red because then teams can reverse engineer it and create a reminder system for them, which more engineers = more money = more separation from top to bottom teams

[@lloydchambers390]

Asabo was freaking robbed

[@DJ.1001]

This light now allows the chase driver to flop. Field and Hull are going to be unstoppable once they master the chase flop.

[@iyanmanzano]

Sure, make your every run "spin to win", ensure your lead car lights up red and come up with a survivable car each time you crash? Yes, unstoppable indeed. 😅

[@lb9gta307]

They'll totally be able to react to forward facing lights on the car they're driving behind

[@brendannunya77]

The first 1 minute 20 wasn’t needed.

[@adamgs7071]

so if someone left foot brake what's the judges can call it

[@rinanligan9445]

Nah, Aasbo won it.

[@aired-downdisconnected4125]

I dont care for the light's.

[@AlexanderWilcox]

Sell us kits of these so they get used in grass roots! or bettter!??!! OPEN SOURCE THE DESIGN!!!