TINTIN Edition Comparison: The Black Island 1943 vs The Black Island 1966 (Part 1 of 2)

[@ftloc]

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[@luvuyonobadula40]

The Black Island holds a special place for me because it was my first ever Tintin. I was seven years old. After that, every time my sister and I went to the library I'd head straight for the Tintin section. On my eighth birthday my Mum took me to a bookshop in Oxford and bought me five of them! That was fantastic. It took me two years to get the whole set, which I still have, thirty years later. Great video, and very informative. I'd heard that the book was redrawn, but I'd never seen the original version.

[@ftloc]

Almost exactly my own story! Probably among my first three Tintins if not the actual first, taught me a number of words and phrases, and became the launching pad for more albums checked out from a local library (thanks mom!). The version I show here is actually not the absolute original - it is an in between edition, the original was actually black and white, just like the editions of America, Cigars, and Blue Lotus I've made videos on!

[@Sruitar]

For me its thr shooting star

[@luvuyonobadula40]

@@Sruitar Another great book.

[@classicartfoundation639]

I still have my copy of The Black Island that I got 33 years ago but love that old version!

[@johnentwhistlesurelysamsun1840]

I still have my copy of the black island since 1966, still in imaculate condition, and thafs amazing given the many that have perused it!!!

[@sshard]

This is fascinating! I had no idea that there was an original version! Thanks dude!

[@ftloc]

So glad you liked it! I have comparisons for America and Cigars of the Pharaoh as well, so do check them out if you get a chance in this facsimile playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLf2B7UoR9NKWyI-w-6f2ifLKMNsDbTGsx

[@nathanvalaneildaniel3123]

Dude I love all your videos,I think I watched every tintin video like a 100 times! Can you please keep them coming,we love and appreciate you🙌

[@ftloc]

Thank you so much! And yes, while I will make videos on as many different comics as I can. I will always have a Tintin video in there from time to time! Cheers!

[@manalide7682]

This is the video that made me a subscriber , Just like one year ago a google image brought us here , probably India's only 'graphic novel' channel, cheers !!!

[@ftloc]

Hahano way the only, there are some BIG comics channels out there, especially in Hindi! But I am so glad you joined us in our tiny little boat! Cheers!

[@dr.praptiseyedaycareashokn1599]

❤one of my favourite, the art ,the nostalgia , everything !

[@johnentwhistlesurelysamsun1840]

I bought Black island the day it came out to add to my collection and still holds a special place for me its probably one of the best of the series.

[@ftloc]

That's so close to my own experience! It is hard to remove nostalgia when talking about these books, but i agree - The Black Island stands up even outside of nostalgia, i feel!

[@rufphoenix1353]

My search for this book is how I ended up on this channel, subscribing, becoming a fan!

[@ftloc]

Thrilled to hear it and so glad to have you on board - welcome to the channel!

[@avk91]

I intend to purchase the full set of Tintiin. I reckon in India we get 3 editions, namely Tintin Compact (hard cover), Tintin paper back & The Adventures of Tintin- volume 1 to 8.- 3 in 1 editions each. I believe I wouldn't go for the compact edition as the font in those books is very small and the front and back covers don't come with the illustrations. Can any suggest me whether I should go for the paper back one or the 3-1 (Adventure) one. Thanks in advance.

[@ftloc]

I personally prefer the full size albums, but the same ones from Egmont available in paperback also have hardcover versions available from the same publisher. Those are the ones I got, but the paperbacks are available in a box set.

[@avk91]

@@ftloc Thanks for the prompt response. I agree 👍

[@vertigofanboy]

Have you encountered any of the ‘making of Tintin’ books by Methuen? I found the World Of The Inca version for cheap and wondered about that specific printing, or series. Thanks

[@ftloc]

No I haven't, but now I am going to look them up!

[@jimclark1374]

It's not England.It's set in Scotland, as is pretty obvious from Tintin wearing the kilt on the front cover.

[@ftloc]

Yup, I meant to stick to saying 'Britain' (but slipped up) because he goes from England to Scotland in the story. The climax takes place in Scotland, but he arrives in Dover I think and the train station from which he jumps on to the train is Bishop's Strotford.

[@jimclark1374]

@@ftloc . You are forgiven.

[@MidnightMedium]

Its really hard to make comics look good on camera. this is great, man.

[@ftloc]

Thank you so much for saying so; much appreciated!

[@OmarSaif24777]

Where can get that 1943 edition?

[@ftloc]

Ah, I got it around 2014, I think, when it was readily available online here in India. I think it may be out of print and harder to track down now. You may be able to find a French edition, though!

[@thinkstation9240]

You can find the 43 edition of BLACK ISLAND on AMAZON now, they are selling for $14 - $16 with free shipping.

[@cartoonimation4988]

good question

[@tvc1569]

​@@thinkstation9240 Did you buy it if so when you got it did it look like the one in the video?

[@greensnake6943]

This is soooo weird! I only used to have one version, and I only read that version. But I cannot remember which one it was and both of these versions seem familiar. Am I experiencing the Mandella effect? I swear I can remember panels from both of them!

[@ftloc]

Wow, that IS an interesting phenomenon. Maybe you had one version and saw/read another version at a friend's/family member's? I know I had convinced myself that I had lost a book I had owned in childhood until I was reminded that it was my cousins who owned it but I read it every summer when I visited them 😝!

[@greensnake6943]

@@ftloc My own guess is that maybe I am mistaking my comic book with the animated series of TinTin. When I was a child, I had seen some episodes of the 1991's animation adaptation of TinTin before I started reading the comics. Maybe the story of the black island was among those episodes and the book that I read some years later was another edition of the story, so now I am mistaking which was which so I mistakenly think I have read both!

[@charliedrosario999]

I am rather surprised to hear that TINTIN is the worlds most successful comic character.

[@ftloc]

Well, he's definitely one of the most popular. It must be hard to actually measure or compare against a character like Superman who has so many more pages and so many more creators working on him, across many more decades...

[@ROCKINGMAN]

I bought the 1966 edition a couple of days ago, in a charity shop. Was in acceptable condition. Nice, not a real collector but of all of the BD it's one of my favourites.

[@ftloc]

I love it; one of my favourite adventures! 😁

[@arkasrkfan007]

From where can I get these facsimile editions? Can you please tell me?😊

[@ftloc]

They were quite easily available on Amazon India many years ago but unfortunately seem much harder to find these days.

[@swissmaster5915]

does anyone know what publishing company has published the 1943 version in english?

[@ftloc]

Casterman

[@swissmaster5915]

@@ftloc Thanks!

[@MajumderSwarup]

I have been looking for these version for some time. Quite hard to find here in India and also when you find one it turns out to be quite costly. How I wish we had those sunday fleamarkets here in India like the ones they do in Europe. One can get quite good copies of old comics on those sunday markets.

[@ftloc]

Yes, that's a real pity. I hope they see reprints very soon, there definitely seems to be enough demand to warrant them!

[@williamcourtemanche3728]

Cela fait plaisir de voir des anglais apprécier Tintin !

[@ftloc]

Merci! J'aime Tintin! 😁

[@yousefsh7949]

Can I buy Tintin : the land of black gold 1950 version? I want to buy the older version in which tintin was in Palestine but i don’t know if it’s available to be purchased.

[@yousefsh7949]

Please respond because this is very important to me. Also I really love your Channel and I love the way you speak and articulate yourself in the videos. ❤️🙏

[@ftloc]

Thank you so very much! Unfortunately, I have been unable to find a copy of the 1950s _Land of Black Gold_, in English at least . If you've seen my 'Personal Top 6 Tintins' video you know it's one of my favourites and that earlier version has become sort of a white whale for me. Alas, no success yet 😢

[@yousefsh7949]

@@ftloc ok thank you very much for responding anyways, much love ❤️🙏

[@yousefsh7949]

@@ftloc it doesn’t matter if it’s in English or any other language to be honest, if you find it please tag me or make a video plz.

[@winberthutahaean9670]

I am curios to know, how much is the value of this original 1943 now?

[@ftloc]

The absolute original? I have no idea, but I can imagine it would be in the tens of thousands of pounds at least? As for this facsimile, even that has gotten hard to find, I hear. they were between 30 and 40 dollars when they came out, I think.

[@cartoonimation4988]

I prefer the 1966 version.

[@ftloc]

It’s hard to overstate how important the 1966 version was to my Tintin fandom! 😀

[@abiras.4465]

Hey, can you tell me why the comic was redrawn even though it was published in colour? But still I prefer the redrawn version because its designs and drawings are more wonderful and very modern.

[@ftloc]

I talk a little about it here - it was to be published in the UK for the first time, and the UK publishers wanted the readers to recognize their own countries/ areas. It was also twenty years old at that time. So an associate of Herge's, Bob De Moor, went to the UK, studied everything from uniforms to trains and more, came back and redrew the backgrounds while Herge redrew the figures. Those are the very details I believe you and I love so much! 😁

[@ninapatalo]

Isn't it ironic how I, who was born in the 00's, grew up with the original edition instead of with the newer edition.🤔 I prefer the older edition due to nostalgia and the fact it was the first. But I think the new edition looks great and colorful. :)

[@ftloc]

Oh wow, I didn't realize the original version was that easily available! How very interesting!

[@WarunaVijithVitharana]

Cool ! just found our your videos today and instantly subscribed ♥️ Greetings from Srilanka !

[@ftloc]

Welcome to the channel! I hope you find a lot to enjoy here, and greetings right back at your from India! 😁

[@johnplunkett2158]

The book covers are depicting Scotland, not England

[@ftloc]

True, he is in Scotland for the climax of the story, after the plane chase and crash. But he arrives in Dover, jumps on the train at Bishop's Stortford etc, so part of it at least takes place in England 😁

[@tintinkuntak4088]

great video, did u ever make a video on all the editions published bookwise , which all books had black and white copies,( refering to English and french editions)

[@ftloc]

Thank you - so glad you enjoyed it! I have a couple more Tintin facsimile edition comparison video, both of them between the original black and whites and the redrawn versions. Here's the _Tintin in America_ video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pqernYWrad58aLM and here's _Cigars of the Pharaoh_ : kzbin.info/www/bejne/mnqzp4mQqKqtba8 I also found a French-language box set of mini editions of all 9 black-andwhite books, which I cover in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oWPFh3luiNufaMk Hope you enjoy those too and I hope to make a few more this year! Cheers!

[@tintinkuntak4088]

@@ftloc seen them both, the black island and cigars of the pharaoh right?

[@george_7102]

Could you also do a review on Tintin in the Congo, Cigars of the Pharaoh and The Blue Lotus, like you have done with this and Tintin in America. I would love to see this.

[@ftloc]

I definitely plan on doing one for each of the ones I have, especially now that I also got the black and white minis! The only question is how and when, but they're guaranteed to happen!

[@Goodiesfanful]

In the 1940s version Mueller's house definitely has a more, um, spartan look compared to the modernised version.

[@ftloc]

Oh yeah, it definitely feels like a bit of a warehouse or abandoned thing being used for shady ops. I far prefer the opulent mansion - coupled with the huge grounds, it definitely presents the idea that crime does (at least for a short while) pay! 😁

[@SpaceCattttt]

I think the more muted colours of the original are easier on the eye, but I can't deny that the redrawn version is superior in almost every other way.

[@ftloc]

In the giant facsimiles of The Secret of the Unicorn and Red Rackham's treasure I show here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rX6snoCvYrCqqpo we can see the more 'modern' art style with muted colours, which I have to say may be my favourite! 😁

[@SpaceCattttt]

@@ftloc Yes, that looks very nice, indeed! Ordering those right now! Thanks. 😊

[@cheeseballthegreat179]

Woah that is so awesome. Is the original black and island still available?

[@ftloc]

In English? From what I hear from other viewers, it's apparently gotten quite hard to find, unfortunately.

[@abiras.4465]

I have both of the comics and even I have got a PDF of the earlier comic.

[@rewanji]

I didn't knew this 1943 edition but it would be curious if you could match it with the original black and white (3 editions in total). Good show...

[@ftloc]

That’s what I was thinking - maybe a quicker one but using the original black and white edition (that I now own! 😀)

[@1Damstar]

Wow, i had no idea. But then, who drew the later edition?

[@ftloc]

From what I have understood, Herge redrew the human figures himself to match his current style, and a host of collaborators (as 'Studios Herge') worked on the objects, backgrounds and other details. These collaborators included many stalwarts of Franco Belgian comics in their own rights, and The Black Island in particular owes most of the redesigns to Bob De Moor, who travelled to Britain and made sketches of everything from police uniforms to railways stations to update the story. Many of these collaborators are responsible for some of the most iconic objects in later adventures, including the moon rocket as well as the plane in Flight 714.

[@1Damstar]

@@ftloc Thanks the reply! Had no idea..it kinda changes something in my mind now. Some disappointment but also understanding, I don't know haha

[@ftloc]

@@1Damstar I know what you mean; when I first learned that so much of my favourite childhood stories was collaboratives and not from a single author, i thought my world had turned upside down! 😁

[@TimofeyMarko]

Brilliant! Love this comparison. It should be a series! I’ll subscribe just to see it. I already have a name: Comics Comparison. If you make it, can you please credit me for the name?

[@ftloc]

I'm so glad you liked it! I'm working on another Tintin Edition Comparison that I plan to have up soon; make sure to check back in some time. And thanks for the suggestion on the series, which is something I've always had in mind as part of this channel. I've been calling them 'Edition Comparisons' and you can find all of the ones I've done so far in this playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLf2B7UoR9NKUsVKsaO16cxTU6g3EYCsBx

[@jaygent2836]

You keep referring to ENGLAND as the setting, The Black Island is set in SCOTLAND. Different country, both part of BRITAIN. Very poor basic error in an otherwise excellent video

[@ftloc]

You're right, it's a pretty basic error. But I wouldn't say I KEEP referring to it as England. I start the video with two references to Great Britain, and of the couple of times I say England in the video, at least two of the times (the pub after the train ride, Muller's estate) are in fact England according to the places they were based on. The Black Island takes place in both England and Scotland, and while I do slip up, especially when saying Bob De Moor went to England or the 'English publishers' I think it's ok at other times when the station is based on Bishop Stortford or we're in Sussex county etc. At least, that's my puny defense! Cheers! 😁

[@tathasgraphy8470]

Where did you get the original copy?

[@ftloc]

A long time ago, off Amazon India and Infibeam. They seem hard to find now.

[@56.subhrajyotidutta60]

Can you email me a pdf version of the 40's version?

[@xiube8436]

thank you so much

[@ftloc]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@takumifujiwara8024]

'43 is pretty old but '66 is like a more modern edition of it

[@DIZZYDAYS1]

This is the video that got me to subscribe to For The Love of Comics.

[@ftloc]

Now it seems so long ago! 😁 Do you think it still holds up?

[@DIZZYDAYS1]

For the Love of Comics as much as Tintin does ;)

[@grantg7457]

I like both versions

[@ftloc]

Me too! But the childhood nostalgia for the redrawn version is a powerful force.

[@dr.praptiseyedaycareashokn1599]

Please do jo,zette and jocko videos also 🙏

[@ftloc]

I need to find the books!

[@longmap1]

Herge was working on Flight 714 at the same time and was not able to go to britain for research

[@ftloc]

Yes! And that was the case for all his work - he was constantly working on the next book which is why De Moor and others took care of a lot of the reworking. It's amazing to me that a big part of my childhood was made not by one artist but a studio of them!

[@BlueHopi144]

One of the Biggest artists from Belgium

[@ftloc]

If not THE biggest!

[@flitsertheo]

4:20 That whitewashed house with orange tiles is typically Belgian.

[@ftloc]

Aha! Great to know!

[@flitsertheo]

@@ftloc To be even more precise : it looks as an East- or West Flemish province farm. Rather different from the Brabantian type which is square, closed and could be used as a small fortress. The most famous example being la Haie Sainte in Waterloo.

[@MySouravdas]

This is the video which made me a follower , subscriber sounds so cheap

[@ftloc]

Secretly, I subscribe to that opinion! 😋

[@mark_beastpriest5539]

I've never read the original version.

[@ftloc]

The first nine books were originally in black and white, something I found out way way later in life!

[@mark_beastpriest5539]

@@ftloc I prefer the updated versions, though. Maybe it's because they're the ones I grew up with, and the artwork is superior. But collectors like having every format.

[@ftloc]

@@mark_beastpriest5539 Haha certainly true for me! Although I will say that I like having different formats that affect the story or the reading. In Tintin, I feel the newer versions will always be my favourites, both from a technical and a nostalgic view, but the originals show me how far the style had to travel and how much collaboration changed an individual's work .

[@tunnelukko2000]

I have finded the oldest Edition

[@george_7102]

Where

[@monolith94]

He actually improved his old work. George Lucas should take notes

[@ftloc]

The original has many fans, but the redrawn edition is so directly connected with my personal relationship that it's one of my favourite comics ever. But Herge did have a number of collaborators as part of his studio, and they - more than him - were responsible for all the new things! Lucas should have gotten some help! 😁

[@Triadii]

The 1966 cover looks better in my opinion

[@ftloc]

It's an absolute classic: the boat, the blue of the water, the sky - one of my all time favourites feel.

[@Triadii]

@@ftloc Yes agreed. I still hold on tightly to my copy of it, bought in the 90s.

[@threethrushes]

I didn't choose the Tintin life. The Tintin life chose me.

[@ftloc]

😁

[@williamcourtemanche3728]

Alors nous sommes frères, en quelque sorte!

[@ftloc]

Oui, la fraternité d'Hergé ? 😁

[@metalshek]

About time

[@ftloc]

Sorry for the delay! There are a couple of new things attempted in this video, which added considerably to the time taken to put it together. Hopefully it's worth it!

[@metalshek]

For the Love of Comics Love the new intro. Great content, as always.

[@ftloc]

Thank you, kind sir!

[@williamcourtemanche3728]

Exactement

[@tunnelukko2000]

But I still like maybe the 1960's more