Forza Horizon 4 | What if Hypercars all had Two gears like the Rimac Concept 2???

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@themagicalcointhatisntusef5408
@themagicalcointhatisntusef5408 4 жыл бұрын
1:08 The Veyron sounded like a diesel 😂
@manibuanain
@manibuanain 4 жыл бұрын
Yup it did
@R19-b8s
@R19-b8s 4 жыл бұрын
Thats because the w16 is just two v8s put together and with the sound of the turbos it makes it sound like a diesel
@atomic9183
@atomic9183 4 жыл бұрын
Randomness 19 it’s actually four vr6‘s put together.
@atomic9183
@atomic9183 4 жыл бұрын
Randomness 19 it’s actually four vr6‘s put together.
@cia5219
@cia5219 4 жыл бұрын
@@atomic9183 4×6= 24.. whoops you mean 4 4cyl engines
@thestigsfrenchcousin8163
@thestigsfrenchcousin8163 4 жыл бұрын
Regera : ight imma head out
@zeehorse.
@zeehorse. 4 жыл бұрын
not
@WSX-
@WSX- 4 жыл бұрын
[The Stig’s french cousin] imagine if it had 2 gears, it would decimate everything and keep it’s traction.
@WSX-
@WSX- 4 жыл бұрын
[Arpon JR] The Regera has only one gear
@MinaT
@MinaT 4 жыл бұрын
@@WSX- woosh
@TheDeathChamber10
@TheDeathChamber10 4 жыл бұрын
[WSX] CT04TOR - RWB well the Regera technically had two gears because of the first gear and reverse
@credaaaooo824
@credaaaooo824 4 жыл бұрын
the 3 Bugattis tested scored last, that's how you know it's accurate
@lachlanparker570
@lachlanparker570 4 жыл бұрын
If only you could give the Regera two gears... That would be perfection of a whole new kind... Although it must be said, all of these did well excluding the 300-400km/h, which raises my hopes for real 2-speed Hypercars in the future...
@pllepolle8162
@pllepolle8162 4 жыл бұрын
That's kinda like starting in 2nd then shifting directly into 6th
@vince0815
@vince0815 4 жыл бұрын
Can you try it again with a fully tuned porsche 918 because it has incredible power and torque in the lower revs
@mohankai7
@mohankai7 4 жыл бұрын
Same here bro
@sooj1fps111
@sooj1fps111 4 жыл бұрын
The thing here is, it wouldn't be a fair match. If that would happen the rimac would also be "upgraded"
@tarunsharma5254
@tarunsharma5254 4 жыл бұрын
Don't forget ferrari 599x
@gluk8838
@gluk8838 4 жыл бұрын
Also the 959! I never see anyone use it but it has an insanely good 2-gear setup.
@lachlanparker570
@lachlanparker570 3 жыл бұрын
Genius... seriously...
@slendermanxsirenhead
@slendermanxsirenhead 4 жыл бұрын
8:43 I like this Ferrari 599 XX EVO (TUNED)
@davidbrito8176
@davidbrito8176 4 жыл бұрын
4:05 that sound... :)
@adrix5521
@adrix5521 4 жыл бұрын
Okay, okay, listen It's not that hard to be first _It's hard to be last_
@rubengamer686
@rubengamer686 4 жыл бұрын
the others don’t have enough power to push through second gear
@priyankghediya2393
@priyankghediya2393 4 жыл бұрын
The best sounding car in this video mclaren speedtail....the downshifting at 4.07 was super banging......💯💯
@MiguelSucksAtUrbanism
@MiguelSucksAtUrbanism 3 жыл бұрын
That 0-100, 2.9s thays really impresive
@Jewsenburg
@Jewsenburg 4 жыл бұрын
8:42 BRUH
@HugoCheung_8652
@HugoCheung_8652 4 жыл бұрын
Haha
@encmarko6061
@encmarko6061 4 жыл бұрын
Wtf how is it so fast
@chrisp.cabbage6917
@chrisp.cabbage6917 4 жыл бұрын
@@encmarko6061 It says (tuned). It was upgraded to be faster
@encmarko6061
@encmarko6061 4 жыл бұрын
Chris P. Cabbage ik but still its so fast
@zeehorse.
@zeehorse. 4 жыл бұрын
amazing
@christophersiahaan7119
@christophersiahaan7119 4 жыл бұрын
Hell no dude, how could you tuned it all these car into 2 gears man :D.. Its awsome :)
@tovade8165
@tovade8165 4 жыл бұрын
next video title: what if all hypercars had 3 gears
@martinshoosterman
@martinshoosterman 4 жыл бұрын
I would like a video on what if all hyper cars had 50 gears
@lachlanparker570
@lachlanparker570 3 жыл бұрын
I wish that had happened…
@silasjensen628
@silasjensen628 4 жыл бұрын
Why don't you say 0-400-0 insted of 0-400 km/h -0
@maismade6013
@maismade6013 4 жыл бұрын
Stupid ppl who think its 400mph
@Tacker_TK
@Tacker_TK 4 жыл бұрын
silas jensen I was asking the same thing
@HueyFreeman69420
@HueyFreeman69420 4 жыл бұрын
@@maismade6013 i think its kmh
@CariHere
@CariHere 4 жыл бұрын
This video should be called: "Why the Rimac Concept 2 is a good investment"
@AhmadGalalYT
@AhmadGalalYT 4 жыл бұрын
Hammond can beat it
@thestigsfrenchcousin8163
@thestigsfrenchcousin8163 4 жыл бұрын
Yes but he’s gonna crash it 3 sec later
@KennyThaSharp
@KennyThaSharp 4 жыл бұрын
And put in on fire
@WSX-
@WSX- 4 жыл бұрын
This brings back good memories when the Zenvo ST1 caught on fire during a hotlap.
@alfaperson2290
@alfaperson2290 4 жыл бұрын
Looks like I found you
@jessecoc6247
@jessecoc6247 4 жыл бұрын
@@WSX- wasn't that after he finished😂
@Benny-st6zi
@Benny-st6zi 4 жыл бұрын
There is three, actually.
@nola211
@nola211 4 жыл бұрын
Benny Geht Dich Nix An four if you count neutral
@provestic
@provestic 4 жыл бұрын
Boizoi actually five cause there is park
@sporttube69
@sporttube69 4 жыл бұрын
Tanvir! 'o' ? On automatic cars maybe and that’s then D P N R and on sports cars S or S+
@mohankai7
@mohankai7 4 жыл бұрын
Doing such timings with a 2 gear concept is pretty easy with electric engines because their RPM is constant. But doing that with internal combustion engines is a hell. To be honest, Koenigsegg actually done something impossible, possible by the Regera.
@eins2001
@eins2001 4 жыл бұрын
>impossible Ever hear of a CVT?
@mohankai7
@mohankai7 4 жыл бұрын
@@eins2001 I've heard of CVT(Continuously Variable Transmission) bro. But I wasn't talking about transmission here, I meant the RPM range and the revving time. Electric engines can easily rev up higher and will have a constant torque i.e, from low to high RPM range, the torque is at max and constant. But internal combustion engines is not like that. I think you know about it coz if you know things like CVT, then definitely engine wouldn't be an exception. I think you got my point wrong bro:) Stay home stay safe 🙂
@joshuacottrell2742
@joshuacottrell2742 4 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the video! Please can you do a tutorial to show how to tune gears down so e.g. making a 7 gear car 6 gears?
@WSX-
@WSX- 4 жыл бұрын
You can only lower it's Final Drive ratio when your upgrading to the Sport Transmission which only unlocks the Final Drive. Just lower it down and your good to go.
@joshuacottrell2742
@joshuacottrell2742 4 жыл бұрын
@@WSX- thanks, i appreciate it!
@jasperlim4828
@jasperlim4828 4 жыл бұрын
*OMG 599XX Evo is insane*
@anonymousasian589
@anonymousasian589 4 жыл бұрын
I'm so confused, how do people make cars like the mclaren p1 keep their wing up, instead of having it move up and down all the time. Like the Mclaren P1 in the video is in race mode???????? edit: forgot to mention, don't have fh4, and just found out that it's always like that unlike horizon 3 and 2, where it stays down if you go too slow.
@thatmeme8648
@thatmeme8648 4 жыл бұрын
Now to see how these cars would react if they only had one gear like the Volkswagen ID.R.
@MiguelSucksAtUrbanism
@MiguelSucksAtUrbanism 3 жыл бұрын
Theres already a forza force video on that, its called whay if all hypercars had 1 gear like the regera
@Taxi-yq6vv
@Taxi-yq6vv 4 жыл бұрын
Never underestimate that Ferrari 599 XX Evo ;)
@dilysi156
@dilysi156 4 жыл бұрын
Don't use engine braking for emergency braking. You don't use it the same way for every car and engine braking disturbs (even more when you downshift to early) the pedal braking which then sacrifices the braking distance. And no car can beat the C2 just because its design is adapted to the electric power and high torque over the entire rpm range. But keep going I really like your vids!
@003nattaradonjuajun4
@003nattaradonjuajun4 4 жыл бұрын
Ferrari: *can go to 400 kmh just 15 second* Rimac: haha man im dead
@samuelmendes2822
@samuelmendes2822 4 жыл бұрын
I loved ❤️ your car Forza horizon It has beautiful cars Poriso I like it very much
@futureboi5700
@futureboi5700 4 жыл бұрын
I would like to see Regera :D
@MinaT
@MinaT 4 жыл бұрын
I wanted to comment it :
@WSX-
@WSX- 4 жыл бұрын
[Future official] The Regera has only one gear
@MinaT
@MinaT 4 жыл бұрын
@@WSX- r/woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh
@futureboi5700
@futureboi5700 4 жыл бұрын
@@WSX- Right but, Chiron has 7 gears and in this video has only 2... Regera with 2 gears would be pretty quick
@icy6709
@icy6709 4 жыл бұрын
@@futureboi5700 thats cuz the publisher made it obly 1st and 2nd gear in tuning, and when the chiron started to bang its limiters he didnt shift so it would stay in 2nd gear
@Steeley.
@Steeley. 4 жыл бұрын
I reckon the Hennessy and ultima ould’ve done better it the freeway was straight. That was fun to watch.
@vaillante7667
@vaillante7667 4 жыл бұрын
What if rimac concept 2 have 7 gear?
@HueyFreeman69420
@HueyFreeman69420 4 жыл бұрын
it would be the fastest in game
@FaTeWRLD
@FaTeWRLD 4 жыл бұрын
Technically the rimac has 3 gears cuz reverse is considered as a gear am i right?
@tomasz4712
@tomasz4712 4 жыл бұрын
Yea, the thing is, that you won't accelerate with R to 1 to 2, so it's considered 2 gear gearbox. Same with any other car.
@yabahal-fakher7992
@yabahal-fakher7992 4 жыл бұрын
Now imagine the speed of the rimac, but with 6 gears. And it does use a gearbox. Not sure if it is manual though.
@vytautasvaitiekus9215
@vytautasvaitiekus9215 4 жыл бұрын
With that kind of acceleration the 0.5 seconds it takes to switch gears is actually more detrimental than the benefit you would get from the better gearing. It takes too long to switch gears.
@Lilith.rblx.X
@Lilith.rblx.X 4 жыл бұрын
👑🔥 🔥
@twinnuke
@twinnuke 4 жыл бұрын
I think if you gave the Venom and One-One a little more leg room in 2nd they would have been able to complete it in the corner.
@ferrariwaffle5042
@ferrariwaffle5042 4 жыл бұрын
Wait, can you paint the white accents on the Agera RS now??
@lippenssdmkkuang4627
@lippenssdmkkuang4627 4 жыл бұрын
why does it have a aggressive sound like gasoline cars
@edoardobattaglia5157
@edoardobattaglia5157 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, 599xx is insane
@DonthaveausernameLOL
@DonthaveausernameLOL 4 жыл бұрын
If you tune the box so the gear change happens at 230-250 rather than 180, the cars will go faster
@tafarid.7347
@tafarid.7347 4 жыл бұрын
This is one of the only times, where the p1 has failed in top speed
@AkemiMera
@AkemiMera 4 жыл бұрын
Your tuning public so we can mess around with them?
@salmxn2333
@salmxn2333 4 жыл бұрын
599xx E: I'm the boss
@plklover_ytxd2051
@plklover_ytxd2051 4 жыл бұрын
How u make them 2 gear?
@WSX-
@WSX- 4 жыл бұрын
*Absolutely Nobody gives a crap if your first LOL!!!*
@sammitchell-henry5888
@sammitchell-henry5888 4 жыл бұрын
[WSX] CT04TOR - CSR2 & FH4 hahaha
@matthewsims7817
@matthewsims7817 4 жыл бұрын
?
@WSX-
@WSX- 4 жыл бұрын
[Charles Bronson] It’s all of those idiots who think they’re always the first “champions” commenting, but they’re wrong.
@matthewsims7817
@matthewsims7817 4 жыл бұрын
Oh you mean the stupid kids who say I’m FiRsT ToO CoMmEnT
@WSX-
@WSX- 4 жыл бұрын
[Charles Bronson] Yeah I know right. It’s really annoying.
@maismade6013
@maismade6013 4 жыл бұрын
What is the paint job on your agera called?
@zeehorse.
@zeehorse. 4 жыл бұрын
what
@Starfire_Storm
@Starfire_Storm 4 жыл бұрын
it's called White with Blue stripes...
@WSX-
@WSX- 4 жыл бұрын
*Visible Confusion* 🤦‍♂️
@maismade6013
@maismade6013 4 жыл бұрын
Starfire Storm it’s a replica of a real life blue and white Agera but you probably didn’t know anyway
@vasilios_2469
@vasilios_2469 4 жыл бұрын
Why do you never test the 918 is has so much torque
@that1carguyjelly367
@that1carguyjelly367 4 жыл бұрын
Can you try with agara
@the911collection
@the911collection 4 жыл бұрын
Great video also to the People thinking its cool to be first comment. No its not
@zeehorse.
@zeehorse. 4 жыл бұрын
Thankyou
@WSX-
@WSX- 4 жыл бұрын
[Janou Bahnerth] True.
@joe125ful
@joe125ful 4 жыл бұрын
Modern super cars...tiny engines and electric engines..Bugatti:We dont care...we add more turbos:)I hope next model have 6 Turbos and 2000Hp!! Ferrari FFX K Evo next time?:)
@Fabiano.Escobar.012
@Fabiano.Escobar.012 4 жыл бұрын
The rimac is very nice man 2nd FASTEST car in forza
@emirar271
@emirar271 4 жыл бұрын
Tesla Roadster 2.0: Easy
@WSX-
@WSX- 4 жыл бұрын
[Emir Ar] That would be overkill since Tesla isn’t in Horizon 4 yet. It only made appearances in the other franchises of Forza.
@WSX-
@WSX- 4 жыл бұрын
[Rodolfo Ramos] Tesla & Playground Games had a bad relationship that it led to Licensing issues, that’s why the 2014 Model S it didn’t make it in Horizon 4.
@jeanandreiaquino247
@jeanandreiaquino247 3 жыл бұрын
fh4 what if hyper cars all had 8 gears like a Acura nsx? fh4 what if hyper cars all had 9 gears like a Koenigsegg jesko?
@TheKoniszewski
@TheKoniszewski 4 жыл бұрын
So what you're telling me is the meta now is 2 gear ferrari evos. nice.
@zeehorse.
@zeehorse. 4 жыл бұрын
nice
@eletrodays3889
@eletrodays3889 4 жыл бұрын
How do u get 2 gears
@blze0018
@blze0018 4 жыл бұрын
599 XX be like "later nerds."
@aidan.u
@aidan.u 4 жыл бұрын
See the only problem with this test is that most combustion engines combined with their transmissions are terrible in low RPMs. Combine that with the fact that it looks like you haven't tuned the gears consistently among the cars. If this is just for fun I understand. But if you're actually going to have a legit test I suggest tuning the gears consistently among the cars. :)
@geysamartinezrivera810
@geysamartinezrivera810 4 жыл бұрын
Rimac concept VS Koenigsegg agera rs
@RizLazey
@RizLazey 4 жыл бұрын
Rimac Concept Two watching those hypercars with only 2 gears: **not bad kid**
@getsunn0956
@getsunn0956 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Forza Force? Can you put the speeds of the cars in Miles per Hour for us Americans?
@quan-uo5ws
@quan-uo5ws 4 жыл бұрын
go convert it lol
@Artiick
@Artiick 4 жыл бұрын
Should've made 1st gear arrive at 250, maybe something more
@lippenssdmkkuang4627
@lippenssdmkkuang4627 4 жыл бұрын
isn’t the speedtail electric?
@nightfall6166
@nightfall6166 4 жыл бұрын
It’s got a combustion engine and an electric one i think
@nightfall6166
@nightfall6166 4 жыл бұрын
Collins Ashton yep
@stellargaming5729
@stellargaming5729 4 жыл бұрын
If I had forza horizon 4 I would try this
@aspecreviews
@aspecreviews 4 жыл бұрын
The Regera is an eCVT.
@Techie21
@Techie21 4 жыл бұрын
Isn't it electric
@Plan_Br
@Plan_Br 4 жыл бұрын
599 be like *FUCK IT*
@joaquingonzalez834
@joaquingonzalez834 4 жыл бұрын
regera: thats some virgin speak
@vr-er7it
@vr-er7it 4 жыл бұрын
what if hypercar all had 1 gear like regera
@valecasini
@valecasini 4 жыл бұрын
But this is a mod?
@denisneagu3053
@denisneagu3053 4 жыл бұрын
I need the tunes
@3lbtrigger
@3lbtrigger 4 жыл бұрын
A tuned Shelby Monoco can beat a Ferrari 599 XX Evo up to 270mph or 434kph. I do it regularly. The ferrari has a much faster top speed, but I beat them to the Monoco's top speed all the time. I actually have it set to a 1st gear top speed of 175mph/280kph. then short gears all the way up to 5th where it tops out. It might just beat the ferrari in a 2 gear challenge. I know it's not a "Hyper Car", but it should be on the list.
@3lbtrigger
@3lbtrigger 4 жыл бұрын
Just got done trying it out with 2 gears, averaging 15.3 seconds total.
@alpaganbarut
@alpaganbarut 4 жыл бұрын
rimac 2 best
@zeehorse.
@zeehorse. 4 жыл бұрын
hmm
@innocentguy9639
@innocentguy9639 4 жыл бұрын
hmm
@henkdekraai5290
@henkdekraai5290 4 жыл бұрын
First gear could be longer.
@georgekatzos
@georgekatzos 4 жыл бұрын
The 599xx is totaly broken
@arponjr1452
@arponjr1452 4 жыл бұрын
Where is the REGERA😡
@00Rederent
@00Rederent 4 жыл бұрын
I know what are you doing you are not shifting the next gear
@Mladjasmilic
@Mladjasmilic 4 жыл бұрын
Rimac does not have neutral.
@quynhnguyenthuyphuong5140
@quynhnguyenthuyphuong5140 4 жыл бұрын
KOENGNISEGG ONE:1 AND RS'S ENGINE SOUND LIKE AN OLD ENGINE CAR
@junatah5903
@junatah5903 4 жыл бұрын
Me looks at title: Me with vast knowledge of vehicles and forza itself: "This video is clearly for children."
@quynhnguyenthuyphuong5140
@quynhnguyenthuyphuong5140 4 жыл бұрын
I'M SCARED OF FERARRI 599 XX EVOLUTION (TUNED)
@vloxdedtv8381
@vloxdedtv8381 4 жыл бұрын
Bruh everyone who uses LAMBORGHINIS McClarens Bugattis Hate that damn car
@MiguelSucksAtUrbanism
@MiguelSucksAtUrbanism 3 жыл бұрын
@@vloxdedtv8381 ah tes, my favorite car brand, McClaren. Its McLaren thoug
@xhihadhasani8236
@xhihadhasani8236 4 жыл бұрын
Forza braking is sooo unrealistic Its impossible to breake from 400-0 in 4.5 sec
@Jay_the_AV8R
@Jay_the_AV8R 4 жыл бұрын
Braking at 2.52G. That's insane. Only high end racecars have that kind of braking.
@motia4888
@motia4888 4 жыл бұрын
It depends tbf because if you had a light car combined with 400mm carbon ceramic discs and 6 piston brakes I think it'd stop in that time lol
@Jay_the_AV8R
@Jay_the_AV8R 4 жыл бұрын
@@motia4888That is part of it, generally braking comes from the peak grip of the tire, which is a combination of factors. These include the normal force, aka the tire compound, the cars weight and the aerodynamic grip combined. Bigger brakes don't shorter your braking distance, they can take more heat before failing. So you can brake harder and more often before they fail or need to cool off. With bigger more powerful brakes on the same tire, you'll lock instead of braking faster.
@motia4888
@motia4888 4 жыл бұрын
@@Jay_the_AV8R well that's what I meant by bigger brakes, you need to spread the heat out evenly, imagine 190mm brakes on a chiron, doesn't really work does it? Tire width and compound also matters, because, ya know, logic about mechanical grip. Aerodynamics do matter if the rear wing can move as an example and under braking create more drag to slow it down
@Jay_the_AV8R
@Jay_the_AV8R 4 жыл бұрын
@@motia4888 Your remarks in regards to the Chiron are valid, 190mm wouldn't be able to handle the load. Interestingly, deployable rear wings for braking aren't that great. I know of two reasons, first is that drag (force of the air that wants to slow you down) is quadrupled if speed doubles. Supercar rear wings take 1/4 to 1/2 of a second to deploy, during this the cars have already lost 10 to 20mph while they're activating. So they're slow to respond when they're most effective, at high speed, initial braking while the car is fast, where aerodynamics are most effective. They also force the rear down, lifting the front giving you weaker front braking, rearward balanced grip and understeer. Some cars use tech and witchcraft to manage these effects but supercar active aerodynamics suck. They're for looks mostly. Hypercars like the Aston Martin Vulcan are proper aerodynamic beast.
@xeonasaneon9606
@xeonasaneon9606 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe Shelby Monaco King Cobra can beat Rimac
@lippenssdmkkuang4627
@lippenssdmkkuang4627 4 жыл бұрын
I thought it had 4 gears
@azlankhuram7317
@azlankhuram7317 4 жыл бұрын
All you have to put was damn laferrari
@denisct836
@denisct836 4 жыл бұрын
U cant compare electricity with petrol at this..
@danyalfarkhan3289
@danyalfarkhan3289 4 жыл бұрын
Just a fun little experiment
@saalikkhan7671
@saalikkhan7671 4 жыл бұрын
Go petrol power!!!
@alexj.murphy895
@alexj.murphy895 4 жыл бұрын
First comment
@gallagherrides28
@gallagherrides28 4 жыл бұрын
Alex J. Murphy why just why
@ravic720
@ravic720 4 жыл бұрын
Nope
@matthewsims7817
@matthewsims7817 4 жыл бұрын
Gallagher Talks attention seeking
@zeehorse.
@zeehorse. 4 жыл бұрын
wow
@t26e4superpershing5
@t26e4superpershing5 4 жыл бұрын
Is this the stupid kid that saying *first* *comment*
@lewisgalvez3665
@lewisgalvez3665 4 жыл бұрын
Last
@zeehorse.
@zeehorse. 4 жыл бұрын
hahah
@ArcanjoG700
@ArcanjoG700 4 жыл бұрын
Ayrton Senna won f1 using just the second and the fourth gear
@TheDemonThorn
@TheDemonThorn 4 жыл бұрын
Gears: *fast, faster*
@Farhan-ec7dx
@Farhan-ec7dx 4 жыл бұрын
bugati fan be screaming
@diegogarzon9041
@diegogarzon9041 4 жыл бұрын
Reguera, ¿ I am a joke to you?
@lennon992
@lennon992 4 жыл бұрын
It has a gear only not two
@djisch
@djisch 4 жыл бұрын
I'd say the dodge dart would get him
@zaferduman698
@zaferduman698 4 жыл бұрын
1.02 samsdö
@MacGarenRS
@MacGarenRS 4 жыл бұрын
Porsche 918 Spyder
@mailhoboucher1954
@mailhoboucher1954 4 жыл бұрын
AVC gauche 💪🦵😅
@daytonblanton6889
@daytonblanton6889 4 жыл бұрын
all u did was delete all the gears and keep the first and last, no shit the Rimac is gonna be the best
@gagejackson8609
@gagejackson8609 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, the Rimac don't really deserve 2 gears, I have one maxed, and it goes faster only in 2nd gear without shifting lol
@dr.kostakious3370
@dr.kostakious3370 4 жыл бұрын
Regera could be faster with 1 gear !
@4gerars500
@4gerars500 4 жыл бұрын
Regera hehe
@peppe_1302
@peppe_1302 4 жыл бұрын
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