Forza Motorsport (2023) - Visual Improvements in Update 9.0

[@MotoGamesTV]

Technically this comparison can be split into 3 parts: 0:04 - 6:33 - clips from the first comparison which I did when update 7 came out kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHy1Z5mJrNeYjdE 6:33 - 14:26 - unused clips from Xbox Series X 14:26 - 19:30 - unused clips from PC And it looks like that those new clouds are in 'Partly Cloudy', 'Looming Clouds' and 'Mostly Clear (but not on all tracks)' weather conditions.

[@VariantAEC]

So, the complete list of changes to visuals since launch are as follows: •Improved color grading •Improved cloud rendering on some tracks with certain weather conditions •Changed the position of the sun in the garage and some fictional tracks •Removed some eccentric fictional trackside details from real-world track locations •Changed intensity of headlights at night •Improved distant tree rendering on some tracks And... that's basically it. Still looks largely unchanged even in comparisons with update 1 compared to update 9, I'm like a machine that sees through color grading. It doesn't affect the game's basically quality level to me at all. The cloud rendering is a huge change only visible some of the time because it is clear that they only fixed some sky conditions. This still looks like a low-budget low-effort game, and we know it isn't. Compare this to the GT7 special showcase event and what actually released less than 1 year later and then 1 year after launch. Huge changes from the special showcase to launch day and tiny changes after launch to present (which has been over 1 year). The only thing GT7 could do that will wow players at this point is give us new tracks and update existing tracks. I think PD will reserve new scans for GT8 to further differentiate it from GT7, and I won't hold that against them so long as the changes being held back are visual. If a track layout is changed, meaning actual track configuration or length altered, these should make it into GT7, and I will hold that against PD. So far, as I am aware, and it's not like I follow each tracks' actual changes in real life, this hasn't happened yet; all changes to real locations so far have been cosmetic. Other games have similar progression curves, which is why I'm really hopeful that LMU improves greatly before the full launch. Additionally, I'm really hoping iRacing's visual upgrades will be worth the wait and live up to all the hype from the developer.

[@M-hq9xz]

​@@VariantAECI agree that FM doesn't look perfect yet, but it doesn't look like a low budget game, definitely not

[@tonypeters4029]

All this was done purposely These are very smart developers they know what they were doing there is a complete perfectly working beautiful game already done already... and better looking even than Forza Motorsport 7 sharp and crisp and running like a dream... Been saying this from the start... But after seeing games like CyberPunk this is how they keep gamers invested and keep them coming back each update hoping to get that next fix and to see what's added next... It's a brilliant tactical business model to follow and it's working. Mentally gamers would of moved on by now bored if given a fully working game straight out the box was released from day one this is they way things are now adays am afraid.

[@VariantAEC]

@@tonypeters4029 Wacky conspiracy you have made up for yourself there.

[@tonypeters4029]

​@@VariantAEC Wacky Because developers find it so hard huh, poor developers... That's why people like you are so easily robbed, and has let the gaming industry be in the state it has because of people like you... Again I stated this from the very beginning it will turn around like CP77 and get all the praise at the end. Listen not everybody is so gullible or naïve like the majority of the gaming public who only starting to actually not pre order games until they are actually released to see if it working or not, slow thinkers and can't see the bigger picture so that's why they are releasing unfinished games. Drip feeding us updates that shouldn't take skilled programmers this long to give us a fully working game. They can and they won't they rather keep us glued to this game for the whole duration of it's life span means more money for them keeping sales of the game til the end.

[@rafaelgiacomini2106]

Atmospheric scattering now looks more natural imo

[@VariantAEC]

Agreed, but the new clouds look decidedly worse.

[@zacharyfiddie2730]

I say they look better than update 7​@VariantAEC

[@andrededecraf]

​​@@VariantAECwhat?? It looks much better, before they were extremely yellowish, they just need to correct the shadow of the clouds being very blue, making them almost blend in with the sky and fix the brightness a little on some maps

[@VariantAEC]

@@andrededecraf The color grading is more like what you'd see on a clear sunny day, but the clouds look worse and less believable in update 9 with pockets of very high density volumes that look wrong. There is one point in this video where I do think the clouds look very realistic and also look like an improvement over all prior updates shown in this video, but that appears to be the exception.

[@zacharyfiddie2730]

@damarfadlan9251 I mean all updates before 9, idk why I had said 7

[@Normalaatsra]

They finally got a colour expert to adjust their workstation monitor settings at Turn 10 to finally see why we've complained that everything feels washed.

[@M-hq9xz]

🤣

[@phixxter6575]

nah ur just a picky lil btch not everything in real life has the most color ever, gtfo, useless, go back to ur nfs

[@nihilityjoey]

Washed out?

[@Wolfos530]

@@nihilityjoey The game was very desaturated before this patch. Look at the grass, it's nearly grey. Putting it in an image editor reveals the saturation is only 17 - 25%. Grass should be closer to 75% saturated green. The new one isn't very close to reality either.

[@Quasmin]

Washed? No... Realistic.

[@HikariSakai]

Looks way better now, hopefully they keep this momentum up on improvements the garage especially looks better now

[@nicholastantalean93]

This new update now greatly shows how amazing the lighting system is within this game. You can see the reflections a lot better and shadows look dark as well as sharper. The color of the car reacting to the lighting looks more natural now

[@user23x7bnmqr4]

mean while gt7 has better lighting sense launch and you can make lobbys with different role playing. like cops lobby. 😂 motorsport loses here. and its even popular with the japanese players including me! so, when i make a lobby, im gonna name it, japanese only.

[@honda56221]

​. Gt7 is for the weak

[@thecooljohn100]

@@user23x7bnmqr4Literally no one cares. We're Forza players watching a video about Forza.

[@user23x7bnmqr4]

@@thecooljohn100 guess what? i still play forza so i can share my opnions and thoughts. why you so salty towrds a 13 year old? child abuser 🤷‍♀️

[@i_love_musique333]

​@@user23x7bnmqr4what are you talking about kitten

[@a7xgunslinger]

Finally, I think the time has come to finally buy this game 👌

[@Mr.Kumar1]

Yea man

[@menntana]

The sky is probably the easiest to understand.

[@bjoernhaucap6111]

The mountain in the background at Mugelo

[@YoungDen]

One looks like smog and the other clear

[@laz9276]

I wonder when they will fix their plastic-like paint material

[@ld9387]

That probably takes longer to fix but surely they're working on it

[@M-hq9xz]

Hopefully they will do, especially in standard paint the cars look a bit off

[@HugoCostaCancio]

That has been a Forza Motorsport thing since forever.

[@JZStudiosonline]

@@HugoCostaCancio The 360 games had decent paint, and Forza 5/Horizon 2 had amazing paint.

[@andreasmoller9798]

They Will never get it right.

[@Phantom19-YT]

Forza is slowly getting better.

[@mute1259]

That happens with recent Microsoft games, they come out very incomplete and it takes many months to be what they should have been at the beginning.

[@ld9387]

​@mute1259 this is exactly why you shouldn't buy games at launch. Rather wait for patches and content updates

[@landontorres1054]

​@@ld9387game pass is the reason

[@angeltheplata2958]

Just like what happened with halo infinite

[@zfersya33]

I think covid make the game release rushed

[@SagnolTheGangster]

5:25 Mapple valley looks a lot better in update 7, update 9 clouds look washed and burned...

[@soupnazi22]

Definitely something weird going on there. The brightness of the track doesn't match with the sky at all. On track it looks like an overcast day.

[@hafizhdns_]

We need engine sound improvement😫

[@AhmadGalalYT]

They closed my post in the forza forums about the Murcielago SV and one of the moderators there said that they are working on a large audio initiative. They did it for the Zonda Cinque as well, hopefully they do this for most terrible sounding cars

[@germanautos9460]

Please can you request for the volkswagon golf r32 sounds to be updated ?​@AhmadGalalYT

[@hafizhdns_]

@@AhmadGalalYT nice to hear that

[@andreasmoller9798]

@damarfadlan9251agreed

[@andreasmoller9798]

Whats really strange that fm use to have good sound up to fm6 wtf happen everything become worse when fm7 released it become bad to terrible with fm 23, its the worst sounding forza to date, the devs claim that it would be the best sounding forza another lie, they also claimed upgrade parts to change the sound witch they barely does at all

[@SharapovaFan]

Had to fire up FM. I like it. Tried it on an LG C4 OLED and Hisense U8H mini LED, both are calibrated. The image really pops on my U8H cause of the brightness. But still ways to go until they get the same lighting as in GT7.

[@Victor4293]

Man you can tell the difference ! Jesus at 9:45 !

[@Mohashm]

I don’t see Jesus there

[@Rezamajedi]

😂😂​@@Mohashm

[@Rezamajedi]

It's due to weather condition

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

@@Mohashm lol, yeah in fact i only recommend watching in 4k 60 only, its (almost) what i actually saw youtube upload reduce clarity abit

[@tehMaloWalo]

@@Rezamajediit’s the same in both clips - mostly clear. why would they have two diff weathers in a comparison? use your brain

[@theedgybeatle]

Turn10 discovered colors!

[@RazgovorIsDialog]

So they've finally somewhat taken care of the inconsistent colour grading. At least it doesn't look as washed out as it did before, good work!!! Still a long way to go though, but slowly getting there.

[@michaelnight9162]

I knew the game was looking much nicer but I couldn’t put my finger on it. What a difference, going to be an amazing game in a year or so

[@BillyBombastic]

loving the darker contrast.

[@lukemason1454]

Maple valley actually looks like a game from 2005

[@jordanjoestar8839]

As a PC modder, AC, rFactor, GT7 and almost any racer I can find player... this is a major fix for their lighting engine and the glass/body reflections really made a big turn around these are the types of things Ive been wanting to see from turn 10. Up next, interiors and windshield water FX.

[@d4nrk628]

Game looks great during evenings & sunsets

[@M-hq9xz]

Yea I think the lighting especially at evening or night is one of the strongest parts of this game. It is definitely superior to Horizon in that regard

[@Stormz.1337]

Graphics now on par with other games. Nice. Now, fix the sounds of the cars already.

[@R4ZORLIGHT]

They are getting there, now the games looks a lot closer to the trailer. 4:41, insane what color tweaks can achieve, this looks so much better.

[@Glopes152]

better contrast in update 9

[@stewardappiagyei6982]

8:07 huge difference at Laguna Seca. The red of the Corvette looks way more rich and convincing, there's better clouds, a bluer sky, and more contrast in the trees. Night and day difference.

[@michaelvelez6699]

Update 9 now feels natural like was in the trailer. I not still trusting in Turn 10 since how they fooled the Xbox players. And still cant belive it how fanboys even not complain about how broken was the game. Instead, press them like the GT7 community does with Polyphony (Still not listening afterall :v)

[@MeltWithU]

Not only doesn’t seem like they fix the color grading, there is an upgrade to resolution. It’s definitely been kicked up from seemingly 1440 P originally, to something in between it and 4K. As you can see from the update nine side, it looks a lot clearer. Which isn’t just the color grading. Has anyone done a resolution test on this update compared to before? As I would love to know if I am correct on this. But I think I am.

[@capoeragames2081]

good, someone switched to SDR monitors mid development finally!

[@benjamingunnarsson6886]

It looks a little less washed out in the colours

[@vnzlapro2519]

I knew it, the difference was noticeable

[@Z06Boss23]

needs native triple screen support, only reason i don't bother anymore

[@oyboy44]

very disappointed by the new garage which looks now boring, two first images comparison show that very well, we lost the big light entrance who makes the cool contrast thanks to the shadow now it looks neutral clouds in sunny blue skies still need works, when the sun is behind it looks overexposed with a strange outlines, Mapple Valley 5:18 show it well and lighting looks very weird (you should have reshot the race cause of the big cloud), Watkins Glen 10:26 same Circuit de la Sarthe 12:31 why the sun is orange at this time ?? and one more time the lighting looks weird, something is wrong at fully sunny time Spa-Francorchamps 16:25 attention to eyes while racing this one but distance fog (blue fog thanks to the celestial vault) very good addition now mountains look much better, same in Road America 18:03

[@falcongamer58]

15:04 what's with the red trails? I've noticed some kind of trailing in every racing game, can someone explain the cause of that?

[@1zboro1]

It's ghosting due to Anti-Aliasing or Resolution Upscaling

[@deathtrooper2048]

I've never seen it that bad on Forza though ​@1zboro1

[@theColeHardTruth]

It's Temporal Anti-Aliasing (TAA). It's a low computational cost form of anti-aliasing that tries to smooth hard edges by using data from previous frames and the current frame to extrapolate the next frame and smooth it. It can be very effective, but struggles a lot in racing games and games where the camera is attached to a very fast-moving object (you'll notice as the car's speed increases the ghosting also increases). Forza's implementation has always been pretty lazy and imprecise, (probably to maximize performance over visual fidelity) but in this entry for some reason it's particularly egregious. It's also pretty bad in ACC for similar reasons.

[@YoungDen]

Keeps getting better

[@ld9387]

They still need to fix car textures

[@andreasmoller9798]

They need yo fix so many car models its insane, but they wont be part of any of current forza games.

[@GPell101191]

Its nice to see the developers slowly turning this game around but hopefully they take the time to improve the sounds for a lot of the cars as well especially that awful transmission whine sound..

[@evanreyes2216]

Agreed they need to fix the awful sound when you upgrade the transmission, that's why I don't even upgrade the transmission on my cars

[@paintbywolf8789]

​@@evanreyes2216It is called straight cut gears and it actually sounds like that 🤣

[@kedwyd6535]

All I want from this game is for them to update the car models. Is that too much to ask?

[@ld9387]

That's probably gonna take longer to do

[@kedwyd6535]

@@ld9387 tbf if the game was truly "bUiLt fRoM tHe gRoUnD Up" then we wouldn't have these sorts of expectations

[@andreasmoller9798]

They wont do it for any of the current forza. You would have to wait for the next forza titles

[@joescivic]

Let me put my car as an example. The 2017 Honda Civic Type R. Or 2018 for this game. Every exterior piece that is black and glossy in real life, from the front grille, eye lids, front bumper garnishes, side pillars between the windows, rear bumper garnishes, spoiler, and lower deck of the spoiler...for some odd reason, T10 devs decided to make a brownish color. If you zoom in on it, it looks like a cement texture. It should be pitch black and glossy. The front lip, side skirts, and rear lip all have a red pin stripe in real life. In Forza Motorsport, the side skirt has a white pin stripe on both sides of the car. That white also goes into the front wheel wells. Also, the whole front and rear lip and side skirts is just a pitch black plastic in real life, that has this weave texture made onto it. It's also rough to the touch. In Forza Motorsport, they made it actual carbon fiber with a smooth clear coat. The fender side markers are a brighter orange in real life. In FM, they're brownish orange. Same withbthe rear bumper reflectors. They should be a brighter red in real life. In FM, they're a dark brownish red. Hardly noticeable in the game. Since we have the option to look inside, we'll the back of the front seats aren't supposed to be some clear coated carbon fiber either. Neither should the engine cover. There's very visible weather stripping along the front of the hood over the headlights, all the way over to the other headlight. It's non existent in FM, yet GT7 didnit wonderfully. Most of this stuff I put in my community posts

[@joescivic]

Oh and not to forget, the overly chromed out muffler tips that also look plastic. GT7 nailed it though. Almost all cars have some wierd issue with anything silver and metal looking like chrome plastic, but GT7 does so well at making them look the part...

[@LethalTigerX]

It geels like a color correction to the materials

[@ManuelOrbeaOtaola]

Now looks more GT7 alike. Which is nice.

[@JustMartha07]

Looks better in some cases and difference's bigger on some tracks. But for example Mugello has grass dark af anyway

[@lowballingTX]

This should’ve been there since day one

[@M-hq9xz]

I think the game got noticable improvements to make it look more vivid and better. However in the garage I had the feeling, there is something wrong with the car shadows since the latest update

[@jeremynorton78]

Oh they finally made it to the polishing in game development....😂😂😂😂

[@pofuduk88]

Some curbs need more Color, for example in spa francorchamps curbs should be vivid red and yellow Color

[@francross6134]

Enb reshade

[@talhaTWO]

The game still is extremely blurry on me with 100% resolution scale.

[@dainco08]

WOWW

[@tyreselynch6184]

Am i the only one that seeing that maple valley is worse 😅...the sun coming though the tree seems to have disappear

[@playerone2629]

Yeah now it looks two generations behind

[@tropixx_xlr1549]

I don't know, still looks plasticy to me

[@taha7383]

Better than gran cartoon torismo

[@andreasmoller9798]

@@taha7383no gt7 has far more photorealistic car models so much more detail, stop with the cope, fm cars looks like toy cars, And not to mention many of the outdated inaccurate car models fm still using that straight port from fm1.

[@taha7383]

@@andreasmoller9798 lamo cartoon graphics

[@andreasmoller9798]

@@taha7383you keep talking nonsense you pretty much have no idea how a car should look in real life, gt7 has far more photorealistic car models, forza is the one look like cartoon, and its not even use accurate car models, stop with the cope, you can take picture in gt7 and fool people its a real car, you cant do that in fm, it looks much more like a game campared to realife, Gt7 is much better at rendering different materials so it looks accurate, in forza every material almost looks like plastic, like carbon fiber dosen’t look like carbon fiber at all, headlights taillights looks very bad as well in forza for most cars, Witch is something that gt7 nails.

[@taha7383]

@@andreasmoller9798 cartoon game

[@joescivic]

Still a very MILD difference. Still has a LONG way to go to impress me. Cars still look like plastic toy cars. Some cars still have a lot done wrong, especially my real life car. They totally jacked that up, and it's not the usual mistakes most cars get. It's wrong in many ways. I just don't think T10 will ever make a photo realistic game. They just prefer to remain with thwir fake looking art style. And I say this as a huge Forza fan. I know, crazy right. Yeah, an actual fan of the series being legitimately let down. Who would have thought? Lol.

[@iambrd1543]

oh no, it doesnt impress joescivic! whatever we will do? -turn 10 employee

[@joescivic]

@@iambrd1543 Cry some more about a comment someone leaves, I guess

[@olavofernandes7286]

​@@joescivic why do I get gta definite edition vibe from this new forza motorsport ?😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Watever310]

Game look way better now 🎉

[@IceKicker18]

Sky color is better but I feel like the clouds looked better before? Idk maybe it's just the differences in the clips like not exactly the same

[@ev.j.b.new.c.2024]

Yeeeeesss! Clouds now are f***ing unnatural!! Absolutely worse!!

[@lykan2]

I must be blind, i don't see any differences

[@germanautos9460]

Absolutely gorgeous 😍 just needs better sound now

[@User-ty7jt]

Anyone else have these weird stutters while racing? At over 70 FPS everything should run smoothly... But it's still a good game.

[@NOSVIPER1]

Not sure why but I prefer the softer colors of the original

[@AXOi]

I love this game,but I want to see the side of the car when turning more. And of course the front tire's even more.

[@SPAINFALCON]

Han tenido que pasar una burrada de meses para esta mejora,lo agradecemos, pero es que el juego nunca tuvo que haber sido lanzado como lo hicieron. Estaba totalmente roto, y con un modo historia sin vida.

[@kacpero242]

The game should have looked like this since the start 😐 maybe they were working on this lighting for 6 years 😂😂

[@riddledtomcat1360]

They finally took the brown away

[@Wolfos530]

It's still desaturated. The grass is closer to grey than it is to the actual color of grass.

[@julian-fr5eh]

Gerting pretty close to be a game worth 50$

[@vensan34]

I didn't like the new clouds...they look too artificial. I like the new color grading and atmospheric scattering tho

[@Mr.Kumar1]

OMG time to really reinstall this game

[@dustybiker9602]

the cars look a little better sky has a nice blue but the clouds in update 9 look terrible seems like all they did was turn up saturation

[@deathtrooper2048]

Why does the ghosting look so bad in the footage? I've been playing since launch and my ghosting never looked that bad.

[@DrTrizio]

Forza is Forza 💘

[@LLyra-vp1od]

Best Forza Rain effects evermade was Forza 6.

[@thomasraffestin3407]

Hope they have corrected their light model, for example in Nurburgring GP, the track is full white when it’s sunny you cannot see anything anymore… Build from the ground

[@guilhermemulellos2593]

What graphics mode is the Series X in?

[@MotoGamesTV]

Performance RT

[@javier1998]

Do you prefer perf rt over perf?​@@MotoGamesTV

[@deathtrooper2048]

@@javier1998 Perf RT is (around)1440p 60fps with RT vs Perf which is 4K 60 with no RT.

[@MotoGamesTV]

@@javier1998 I prefer performance, but people wanted to see video in performance rt.

[@GatsbyGamer]

very nice

[@rudybertazzo]

Look IDENTICAL to me

[@MilLFeuilles]

Go see a doctor

[@brunoutechkaheeros1182]

feels like a grey filter was turned off 😂😂

[@freddywayne]

Finally 😀

[@Holo_siight]

Now looks like we are driving real hotweels! GeGe

[@vickyyonanda4708]

i guess "built from the ground up" means they released a raw game and then started building the game on various numbers of updates

[@andreasmoller9798]

Not exactly because the current forza game will not get the new reacanned car models, so the potential is already blown

[@Lordicus21]

I wonder if looks that good on Series X

[@MotoGamesTV]

Literally first 14 minutes of this video

[@Lordicus21]

@@MotoGamesTV hahah sorry, I totally ignored the line that describes playing on Xbox, reading only the Pc Specs

[@pughracing87]

Still doesn't have me wanting it

[@steelchroniclesgaming]

So they just hired a visuals guy to correct their colors, got it

[@TheCardude98]

The garage looks much better now , FM8 is slowly getting there

[@alekss8846]

wow, maybe its time to install this game back

[@slavche]

These guys. I LOVE XBOX :D I PHYISCALL CAN'T TYPE ANYMORE.. IT LOOKS LIKE THE TRAILERS NOW.. THE COLOR AND COMPLEXITY OF THE CAR/TRACK GRAPHICS/HDR LOOK INSANE WOWW.. at first I wasn't sure 1 minute in. BUT DAMN...I thought THIS GAME BASICALLY BEST GRAPHICS/PHYSICS racer COMBO ON CONSOLE.. PERIOD.. NOW BETTER CAR GRAHPICS EVEN , COLOR EVEN MORE ACCURATE FOR GAME? WOW and new maps every month past 2-3 months... NURB.. BEST NURB EVER.... BRANDS HATCH.. ONE OF BEST BRANDS EVER.

[@DustinsCarFamily]

Since when is the Giulia in Forza Motorsport again?

[@MotoGamesTV]

Update 4 - February

[@falcongamer58]

Dan Greenwalt should just leave Microsoft and start his own game studio

[@Kobinhos]

My game isn't that beautiful on PC and I play with the graphics set to very high

[@imranhossainrohit6990]

They probably hired someone on Horizon team and said "please fix our build from groundup homework"😂

[@enkosinijama3885]

At least their doing something and not bining the game

[@andreasmoller9798]

They have to because they are losing players by the day

[@JDT2309]

A step in the right direction and something that should be done for FH5 too. For some reason after about FH3 they decided color was no longer important and tried to make everything realistic and depressing. The colors of the older titles are why they’ve aged so well

[@dfgffdvfvvf7909]

Vibrant colors are for kids

[@MrLustor]

Yeah but the cars are still floaty and turning with the rear wheels so... 👎

[@ModestIntentions]

looked better before

[@guilherme4rcanj078]

Boa porcaria. Arrumar a queda de FPS que acontece do nada de uma corrida pra outra até agora neca.

[@Fast_F_Fords]

Man the cars still sound like Forza Motorsport 2 fix this n I'll play biggest let down of the series

[@highlyunprofessionalreviews]

Laguna Seca and Maple Valley look objectively worse. The sky is way too dark and saturated. The game has gone from more realistic to more video gamey. Some people prefer that, some people don't.

[@Morningstarry]

Extremely dim taillights, strange paint texture and behavior, black trims, diffusers and window frames still look like cement or clay, and the rims look terrible as always. The game still has trouble with vehicle material rendering, sharpness, and depicting black colors. The cars still horrible in upgrade bay and garage. Slight improvement in lighting, sharpness and contrast but that’s it.

[@RocKSTaR-qd2lp]

is better update 1

[@Nedry92]

i still don't understand wtf happened with this game... like, jesus christ

[@beattleman9303]

I like new sky and clouds but in some moments it's look like from games like genshin impact 😅

[@andreasmoller9798]

Still a long way to go before its worth buying, my opinion on the game has barely changed since it released and that is 8 months ago

[@R.SHIELD]

They just made real racing 4 😂

[@slavche]

oh my GODD. gt7 had ONE THING better than Forza Motorsport RTX8... the light cone in NIGHT driving infront of the lights was somewhat cooler looking, but forza all REAL looking. NOW... forza at 7:00 mark or some time around.... THEY SHOW A LIGHT CONE infront of the NIGHT driving non-rain.... INSANE they did THAT TOO :D WOW FORZA RTX 8... OVER.... over. +gfx.

[@andreasmoller9798]

Do you know what gt7 has over fm 23 much more accurate and detailed car models, more accurate track designs, more accurate sounds and shifting, upgrade parts changes sounds in gt7, it dosen’t in fm 23, gt7 also have custom exhaust for every road car that has the exhaust upgrade available. Gt7 has vr to witch is a no thing in forza, Fm has the advantage with having more supercars and hypercars gt7 are missing, but i still rather wait and get them in the quality they derserve.

[@olavofernandes7286]

​@@andreasmoller9798he is a bot I guess

[@Andybarney555]

Soooo theyve adjusted the colour.. big whoop.. not played this garbage since day 1. Wont be reinstall. Still looks and plays like crap that it is...

[@nadeemb3300]

The lack of detail in the vehicles and the engine sound are the downfall of this game.

[@andreasmoller9798]

Completly agree. The detail has never been that good in forza vehicles even in the past, but at least they use to have good sounds, now it has neither.