Forza Motorsport (2023) - Visuals Improvements After One Year

[@MotoGamesTV]

Just a reminder that first visual changes happened in Update 7, that's why I didn't use clips only from Update 0 aka Release Version. Clips from 0:04 to 12:00 are from Xbox Series X. From 12:01 clips are from PC.

[@AlanFormula12022]

The Update 9 was most noticable imo.

[@vyasrushi5177]

There is definitely some improvements, especially in lighting and color balance, but still not the "built from the ground up Forza" that we were promised...car models and a lot of the track assets are totally copy pasted from previous games

[@Rustic_3851]

Exactly, it looks a little decent now in terms of visuals. That “vanilla filter” is fading away several months later after release.

[@TooToo246]

​@@Rustic_3851if you think this is just a color filter, you're not looking close enough. The trees, the sky, some of the buildings, the car sounds, the rear lights, the reflections, and some of the materials, all have been improved

[@EnzoRacer1]

more contrast, more vibrant colors... they mostly just changed some parameters in xml files, which are accessible for edit to pc users

[@dew4h]

The only thing that is not built from the ground up there are most car models. Tracks, Lightning, Physics, Animations, Multiplayer are completely new and miles ahead of what there was in Forza 7. As expected, only people who haven't played previous Forza games or even this one still complain

[@Mr.Kumar1]

​@@dew4h well said this is the best looking Forza, getting better every month at a high rate. In many ways better than other racers. Soon it will be the best

[@abuelb]

13: better contrast, deeper color, better highlights, better clouds, better sounds, overall better.

[@AlanFormula12022]

Update 14?

[@imranhossainrohit6990]

Overall better than before but it is still trash 🗑️

[@rosaria8384]

Still trash

[@th3orist]

I think its better but there is still room for improvement, i hope they continue working on it

[@Suzuharadesukeredomo]

This reminds me of the evolution from FORZA 3 to 4. I know this is a difficult analogy to understand. I can only imagine how hard it must have been to make this video, thank you for the wonderful video.

[@pccc5431]

more color actually. in comparison from launch to now,. on the left it seems to look slightly grey scaled where as on the right its more vibrant aswell as brighter lights from the tail lights

[@Qimchiy]

The biggest tell on why the lighting still needs work is any red on any car. The brightest color value seems to just be RED. No specular highlights. *Jardly (Hardly) any reflections or shading but basic shadows.

[@tigg1972]

Jardley? How did Jardier get into this covo?😅😂😊

[@mkldnl]

@@tigg1972honestly i would love to see him play this game for the lolz

[@msum23]

they need Horizon's skies for sure, but it's looking better for sure. VIR grass too.

[@M-hq9xz]

I am really curious how well this game will look in a year cause a lot has improved.

[@LukasXc]

Update 13 more natural

[@ayabulelapeter2136]

looks better but now they need to work on the car textures because they look plastic. I wonder why they were sloppy this time because when it came to details in the previous versions they were the best but now they were so lazy

[@fadinginthenight]

that's what you get when devs come and go... the game took like 6 years to make and most devs had 1 year contracts iirc so it was a mess

[@nihilityjoey]

plastic? can you be the first to explain this?

[@remissiveslave]

Assetto evo will make forza and gt irrelevant soon

[@remissiveslave]

​@nihilityjoey you've never seen a car irl b4? They literally look like toy cars. The the reflections, textures, contrast, etc, fake asf looking. Gt looks 10 better. Both simcade but gt looks far better.

[@joescivic]

​@@remissiveslaveYup. Even some of us hard-core Forza fans from day one feel the same. Just a bunch of plastic toy cars. Nothing photorealistic about the way they look.

[@卓尧杜]

Just some contrast, saturation and exposure tweaks, no refined models

[@trolski1618]

What's with the stripes on the viper lol

[@VerTheBonBonVoni]

Add 50 horsepower

[@tigg1972]

Well shoot, I thought it was way more than 50.

[@beeb5872]

​@@tigg1972 only 50 because they aren't black like the Horizon 1 Viper. need to contrast colours, dammit!

[@Victor4293]

Amazing work, having this footage from older updates is madness! Keep it up. I like this videos. Keeps me up to date of any changes in the game sound or graphics

[@LuisRivas-yb1gq]

Dont know what they did on update 13, but it looks much more natural

[@tigg1972]

Even FSR works right now.

[@LuisRivas-yb1gq]

It does? Thank god, Im tired of using DLSS, it looks BAD. FRS does a better job IMO ​@@tigg1972

[@AlanFormula12022]

Mid Ohio on FM8 Update 13 saw a massive improvement.

[@XDLugia]

One detail sorely missing from this game (that Horizon has) is backfire lighting up the car. FM23 has backfire that lights up the track behind the car, but not the car itself, which makes it feel way less powerful and dynamic. If you play Forza Horizon 4/5 in HDR during nighttime, then you really feel the car coming to life when everything lights up when fire spits out.

[@SixPathsOfJin]

Significant improvements all round, great vid!

[@rajahbtw]

Not significant, not even substantial

[@jasonash6002]

It looks heaps better

[@TooToo246]

​​@@rajahbtwand then what? Are going to start telling us how much more realistic GT7 looks with VR?.... The sky, the trees, some of the buildings, the rear lights, the car sounds, the lighting of different weather, and some of the reflections...There are a lot of improvements that maybe you don't notice on your small phone screen, but on a big TV it makes a whole lot of difference.......

[@rajahbtw]

@@TooToo246 its only color correction, i played in on tv too. Bloom is broken btw. Do not excuse multibillionaire company

[@TooToo246]

​​@@rajahbtw 1- no, it's not only color correction. There are visible changes to the some trees, clouds, rear lights, some of the grass, shadows, and some of the reflections. Also, big changes in car sounds too....Not very good at spot-the-difference, are you? Or maybe you're just looking at it through the filter of disdain 2- no one is excusing anything, but we've beaten this horse to dea**. The game already came out and people already bought it, do you want Turn10 to scrap it and start over instead of fixing it?

[@YQualityo]

Excellent video, great work! I play on XSX and the game looks amazing!

[@llJeezusll]

I like how these days it's just normal for games releasing unfinished. And we are just okay with it as long as they continue releasing updates improving it.

[@tigg1972]

That conversation would take way to long to cover In this thread😅

[@pimbech]

Very nice editted comparison

[@NieTylkoGry]

Looks great i think is best time to try the game

[@socksonfeet8125]

They all look good to me but I think they heard people whining that it looked bad and they changed the lighting back to FM7 colors and tone, trying to be different never works out lol. all they did was raise the saturation and bumped up the contrast, what hey should do is allow players to choose a preset color mode like Assetto Corsa does and allow the user to change it to their liking, win win for everyone.

[@sawsebawse2000]

amazing the vette doesn't sound like that in real life

[@Pluvillion]

I'm glad they're slowly realizing that the shadows are the color of the sky and not just some darkened gray-ish hue. Now for them to work on the paint shaders next.

[@Hank_Johnson]

Looks so much better now. Even better than GT7.

[@TooToo246]

Well, definitely doesn't look better than GT7, but it appeals to me more than GT7. I like the handling and the gameplay, I find it way more engaging

[@LeBonRoiLouis]

Can you elaborate? About the gameplay. I am a huge Forza fan and I'm hesitating getting the PS5 pro with GT7. My last was GT3 on PS2. I wiuldnt want to be disappointed as im quite used to Forza.​@TooToo246

[@ilbroducciore]

@@TooToo246 I don’t know what the fuss is about regarding GT7’s look. Taking everything as a whole, it looks way more videogamey / artificial to me.

[@TooToo246]

​@@ilbroducciorePersonally, I'm not a fan of GT games, never liked how cars handle, it always felt weird to me...however....visually, it's always been a beautiful game. Ever since the first GT on PS1.

[@santiagogonzalez1765]

Is something impressive but this keeps make me mad, that we have to wait an year after the release to see how the game really had to look since the day one and after an year full of problems and bugs

[@jasonash6002]

That’s every game now they all release unfinished games cause they know can keep updating

[@santiagogonzalez1765]

@@jasonash6002 True and that much people keep buying like this with the argument that "They will fix it later" Shame

[@androidps1440]

So sad that Turn 10 as many devs were replaced by the "modern western" public

[@playerone2629]

How come Maple Valley looks way better before the updates?

[@Shawn_506]

Why can’t they get it right at launch? I wonder. This is still not great, but at least decent

[@KillswitchRobie828]

Idk if its just me but real life colors arent vibrant at all. They are pretty muted, the original motorsport was muted and honestly looked like real life, the new update looks vibrant but I think it takes away that true to life look. Does it look better? Absolutely. Does it it look true to life? Not anymore.

[@playerone2629]

I agree

[@Mr.Kumar1]

Is it as good as e3 demo?

[@aaronsmith7143]

@@Mr.Kumar1 Not even close. And they will still not hit that level with the next game. The damn PC version maxed out doesn't look as good as the E3 gameplay.

[@Mr.Kumar1]

​@@aaronsmith7143what you talking about? There will be no next game for years that's why this game has no number. Someone needs to do e3 vs now! Then no one can challenge built from the ground up again!

[@joescivic]

​@Mr.Kumar1 It's still looks NOTHING like the E3 demo. You can easily see this just by watching the videos. There was more track detail

[@Mr.Kumar1]

@@joescivic really that's stupid these guys man so behind if that's the case

[@alistairwalker2850]

If only Microsoft didn’t lie through their teeth about this game from the start

[@ilbroducciore]

Every single gaming company on the planet oversells their crap, especially the ones focusing on graphics.

[@gabor-toth]

Great progress. 4-5 more years and they'll catch up to Gran Turismo 5.

[@GeordiLaForgery]

Nice comparison

[@leandrofod]

sepia simulator is no more =D

[@od13166]

wow nice upgrade *hooray and didnt installed*

[@rxshovxx]

Literally couldve done those on day 1

[@dainco08]

UPDATE 13!!!!!!!!!

[@MiguelRodriguez-lp9et]

It just made color palette on par with Motorsport 6, and 7. In other words, it's what it should've looked like in the first place.

[@TooToo246]

It's not just a "color pallet" change.....The sky, some of the trees, some of the buildings, the rear lights, the shadows, the car sounds, the lighting in different weather, and some of the reflections....There are a lot of subtle improvements that maybe you don't notice on your small phone screen unless you're looking really close, but on a big TV it makes a whole lot of difference

[@AHMD-iw5sr]

they took a year to barley improve graphics💀

[@Mr.Kumar1]

@MotoGamesTV, do a e3 version vs now. That way we can see if niw is as good, noone can ever challenge built from the ground up that way

[@alexpanameno8450]

when the game came out it felt like a scam or a bad joke i decided not to buy it but on time i did when update 7 came im glad i got it on sale and due to steam regional prices on my country i spent $14.99 for premium edition , only for that price i think its really worth to buy looks like they are really trying to make things good now, each update it improves a lot and hopefully it will keep improving

[@LuisRivas-yb1gq]

$15 is a steal holy sh

[@tigg1972]

At the time yup. It might be creeping up tho. I'm starting to have alot more fun

[@madmix2698]

we need some reflictions and shadows olso blome on cars

[@Butcher-m7y]

took them a year to increase the bloom on rearlights

[@oggeorgy5519]

The problem is they got too much time

[@Breyzipp]

Baby steps from the ground up 😅

[@TheMrDemonized]

The sky texture on Laguna Seca is so bad, and somehow it is even worse in the updates. The resolution is ultra low. This is pathetic to look at today

[@Firealone9]

I wouldn't say improvements, just moreso a stylistic change. Originally they were going for those hot and hazy summer racing days where the sun just bakes into everything harkening back to older times in racing. Now it's got a more cool blue hue with heavier saturation that seems closer to GT7 where most professional racing today is done in the cooler seasons. Both look pretty to me and appealing in their own right. In some tracks I wish they would have kept that hot and hazy look though like Maple Valley for instance. But I get it that Turn 10 had to overhaul the lighting and materials across the board for this new look.

[@TooToo246]

The sky, the trees, some of the buildings, the rear lights, the car sounds, the lighting in different weather, and some of the reflections....There are a lot of improvements that maybe you don't notice on your small phone screen unless you're looking really close, but on a big TV it makes a whole lot of difference

[@zoobi27]

only looks like a different reshade or enb was applied, nothing deep seems to have changed...

[@TooToo246]

Not just a reshade. The sky, the trees, some of the buildings, the rear lights, the car sounds, the lighting in different weather, and some of the reflections....There are a lot of improvements that maybe you don't notice on your small phone screen unless you're looking really close, but on a big TV it makes a whole lot of difference

[@saschaz.8243]

Ah and the Zonda still sounds like a bad joke I hear

[@Inwardroom7030]

Besides the outdated car model, it’s the best looking racing game ever

[@MiguelRodriguez-lp9et]

It's not as technically impressive as GT7, and in VR, it's world's apart.

[@alexpanameno8450]

@@MiguelRodriguez-lp9et in VR its a blurry wolrd apart lmao

[@Inwardroom7030]

@@MiguelRodriguez-lp9et I have played GT7 for over 200hrs, its graphic is outdated

[@MiguelRodriguez-lp9et]

@alexpanameno8450 It's still more impressive compared to other VR racing games because of its unmatched car models and lighting.

[@MiguelRodriguez-lp9et]

@Inwardroom7030 it's called being realistic. Take pictures of both games on photo mode without telling anyone which game it is, 99% of people will choose GT7 as the more realistic.

[@BenjaminKarslund]

They lied to us from the start…

[@Mohamed28376]

Why is FM4 much better (I'm not a big fan of FM series tho)

[@tigg1972]

It looks cleaner for sure, way less detail tho. I thinks it's preference.

[@somerandomdude2085]

Cause unlike this game, motorsport 4 was made by competent developers who actually cared what they were putting out and not lying to their fans every opportunity they get.

[@Quasmin]

Nostalgia

[@FintaPlays]

thanks

[@falcongamer58]

They should remove the default shadow under the car, that's a PS1 level visual feature

[@stefans4562]

thx, now I cant unsee it. (I usually use cockpit view anyways)

[@tysopiccaso8711]

You do realize that there are shadows in real life right?

[@michaelnight9162]

The shading and shadows improved greatly, yet somehow the skyboxes went from photorealistic to cartoony and less natural looking. The current color shade mixed with the more realistic skyboxes would have made things beautiful

[@tigg1972]

Gotta start somewhere?

[@TYF2]

Now it looks like Gran Turismo but with motion blur and a dynamic chasecam

[@MotoGamesTV]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHmqiXqHeqejrtU No, it doesn't

[@Ochumvru]

Good job. it's better overall by miles and probably every aspect. problem is it's not what we promise, and it's not even close to competing with Gran Turismo. by time they figure it out, benchmark will have moved so far they might as well scrap it and start from scratch like they promised

[@Lobitoxxxxxx]

It has improved with the reshade, but the game still looks outdated, and it's hard to say it, but nowadays there is no update that saves the game, you have to get it right the first time or you become irrelevant a few months later. By the way, the clouds are horrible, they look like cartoons.

[@jasonash6002]

Idiot

[@TooToo246]

It's simple, just say you hate Forza, and you don't like to see it improve! 🤷‍♂️

[@defnotatroll]

Update 9 is VERY Gran Turismo

[@soulhandler2227]

Looks better but it still doesn't look like a next gen game. It's really shame when you realize some 360 era Forzas have a lot of great car models that are far superior in details than the models in this game.

[@packobox1]

but, is pc, xbox series x or s?

[@MotoGamesTV]

Clips are from Xbox Series X and PC.

[@tlakehlubi1214]

Honestly pretty minimal, it’s shading and lighting that they were still lazy enough to code the same for halogen & led-modern lighting, they just put blanket solutions over the issues, don’t play test them, then MAYBE fix the double handling they made for themselves in future updates, (sometimes, they don’t bother doing anything)

[@pimbech]

Yellow and red cars still look so plastic... toy/cartoon style is still in the DNA of Forza sadly.

[@michaelvelez6699]

I could hate Turn 10 by their liar, but im happy seeing improvements, now in the sound engine need some adjustments in majority of cars. But literally i dont know, they are experts with V8 muscle cars (every car) but why they failed specially with V12 befofe? We can compare from cars from Assetto Corsa, being from 2014 and sounds more natural and better. Is a opinion by the way, but im happy finally Turn 10 is making the right (something they supposed to do since first days)

[@TooToo246]

They already improved the sounds too....look for the sound update comparison videos on YT. You can also hear it in this video

[@rosaria8384]

"Built from the ground up" by the way

[@LamarFatassJackson]

Your mother is built from the ground up

[@michaelvelez6699]

​@@LamarFatassJackson more like: We are from the ground up

[@rosaria8384]

@@LamarFatassJackson retard spotted

[@TooToo246]

​@@LamarFatassJacksonok that was funny...but come on, leave his mother out of it, she has nothing to do with it

[@rosaria8384]

@@LamarFatassJackson found the retard

[@ld9387]

The environment looks good now. They need to fix the actual cars. The materials are still bad. They've done nothing to improve the cars

[@alejandrooro9932]

i don't like this game

[@silverhost9782]

they're basically making it look more like GT7 over time lmao

[@TooToo246]

When games of the same genre, try to look realistic, they end up looking very close to each other......At first, FM (2023) tried to make a distinct look for itself, but obviously that failed horribly, so now they're differing back to current-gen realism, which naturally would make it look closer to GT7

[@silverhost9782]

@TooToo246 True. The funny part to me is the admission that GT7 got it right. I remember all of the console war stuff about the graphics when Forza came out but I guess the winner in that area is now clear

[@Boxscot49]

Gotta love them releasing underperforming garbage and only fix it after you already got everyones money

[@tlakehlubi1214]

Disgusting mate honestly

[@alexpanameno8450]

thats why i bought it on sale

[@rosaria8384]

I know right. It's just appalling that they spent a year improving what should have been done six years ago

[@TooToo246]

If only consoles had early access, I think this problem of releasing unfinished games, would be sooo much less

[@Randomhead25]

So basically, Gt7 is right all along. Anywaysss, Props to Forza for improving the grahics🎉

[@jasonash6002]

Gt sucks ass

[@TooToo246]

I'm a PC gamer, so I got no horse in this console rivalry nonsense, but I'm starting to notice this incessant pathalogical behavior in Sony's fanboys. BTW, Sony Computer Entertainment itself is very well known for being snubbish, elitist, gatekeeping, and aggressively hostile towards competition (especially this generation), and I think this kind of view towards the "other" has seeped over to the fans and it really shows Their online behavior really shows an unhealthy and toxic obsession with proving PS5 games (especially GT7) are superior!....I mean chill dude, chill, enjoy your games and let others enjoy theirs......FM (2023) was definitely a disappointment, Turn10 really let their fans down this time around. When it came out, Xbox and PC gamers who were waiting for it never shied away from expressing their disappointment, but it's getting better now, so they're hopeful. Go enjoy GT7 and stop showing your insecurity

[@e-money9251]

@@TooToo246 what is with you you weirdo

[@LuisRivas-yb1gq]

@@TooToo246 The only one showing insecurities and needs to chill tf out is YOU my man. You r writing whole essays just to defend a fucking code that looks like a car doing laps in a track. Now ill have nightmares with the "There are a lot of improvements that maybe you don't notice on your small phone screen unless you're looking really close, but on a big TV it makes a whole lot of difference...................................................................................................."

[@olavofernandes7286]

​@@TooToo246 cry with your cope statement

[@rido7211]

Forza MotorSport 🪦🪦🪦🪦🪦

[@TooToo246]

Nah, give it time, It'll bounce back.....All Forza games were great, this is their first major hickup, and they're working on fixing it...I say they deserve a chance

[@Moth665]

Forza Turismo, more and more looking like GT7

[@TooToo246]

It's called realism, when games of the same genre, try to look realistic, they end up looking very close to each other......At first, FM (2023) tried to make a distinct look for itself, but obviously that failed horribly, so now they're differing back to current-gen realism....And honestly, looking like GT7 is a complement

[@ariasgamingcr]

All that "improves" and still behind GT7 by miles

[@Kortex_Racing]

The cars paint looks worse than tdusc

[@KRawatXP2003]

Still a far cry from GT.

[@TooToo246]

Aside from the upcoming AC EVO, every other racing game is a far cry from GT7 in terms of graphics....so what's your point?....Should we just stop buying all other sim racing games?

[@abootoobaa1]

Maj 13= +4 Contrast +5 brightness Forza Motorsport =💩

[@ToujoBasaraS1]

Still a shitty game btw

[@Nightmareof94]

Still looks terrible nothing will fix this mess other than throwing it in the bin

[@michaelvelez6699]

Lets be autocriticals. Yeah, they improved but still need to fix things. I wont to gonna lie, when they lied specially: The Gameplay style (game still arcade, it supposed to be a next gen Simulator) Its suppose to fight against the titans (AMS2, Rfactor2, AC, Iracing etc.) Not against GT7 I started hating them, specially a GT7 player, wanting seeing one of the kings of Xbox like Forza, failing their users and lying being like the last thing of the desert. Was shameful to be honest.

[@e-money9251]

@@michaelvelez6699 lmao ain’t no way you were expecting them to compete with Iracing and co. What a load of bullcrap

[@pikkumi]

Congrats on Forza motorsport and their year long beta program of fixes and improvements. Hopefully this game will get a good launch