Forza Motorsport - Before You Buy

Forza Motorsport (2023, PC, Xbox Series X/S) is the latest update to the long-running racing simulation franchise.
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[@gabrielfrench9813]

Spolier free huh? Whats on the back of the car hes driving then? I see through your deception be warned with it being filled with spoilers on cars XD

[@gameranxTV]

🤣 good one

[@UNO279]

You’re on to something 🤯

[@andyb1653]

😄

[@wayge]

A wing

[@smashrocket522]

​@@waygeit's a trap!

[@williamcoburn4486]

The thing about the 3D trees not being noticeable may be true, but 2D trees ARE noticeable, so overall, I'd say that's a solid improvement.

[@noncog1]

As someone who's been playing since fm3, not really. There are lots of things I wish they'd put more time into than trees...

[@natefoldan]

So true.

[@thesprawl2361]

Agreed. The trees on certain tracks are one of the most visually impressive parts of the game. And the game really can vary in quality visually. Some tracks look disappointing ly flat and washed out and lacking in roadside detail. But when it’s good it’s jaw dropping - the best looking racing game ever.

[@iyadkamhiyeh527]

2D trees in FM7 were so ugly and outdated, I couldn't believe they're using 2D trees in 2017

[@dominicvega9267]

Since when had a racing game been about the fucking trees. GMAFB

[@asmundgimre]

The only thing I feel lacking is customization of cars. If the point was to make you attached to a car then the possibility of changing more aspects of the car and also spec normal cars to become racecars eventually would make a complete new world available regarding being "connected" to the car. Even making one car way more viable throughout series.

[@Hahahanoyes]

The AI car models are so bad. The car list is also terrible. 6 years and they couldn’t put in the green hell? Obviously covid derailed this team. Its amazing gt7 came out so complete. Ray tracing is great but if the cars you’re racing look like forza motorsport 4 cars with jagged taillights, who cares?

[@asmundgimre]

Absolutely. I don't even mind a shorter car list. If the game would simply be denser. Also the addition of more rare edition cars like they do in motorfest would help as well. They didn't even release the game with 21:9 support. The bonnet of cars will only reflect a certain angle of view, seats missing in regular cars when viewing to the sides in cockpit view, menus got black bars etc

[@Spaceconstructs]

That’s a weird way of phrasing it. I don’t think that was the point of the game but OK.

[@ronald6756]

I just want to know, did they bring back race weight reduction actually removing seats?

[@ST-online]

@@Hahahanoyesthey really have jagged lights?

[@TheMostOrdinaryMan]

Gamepass is really paying off this year. Not having split screen really is a shame, hopefully they can add it. Besides that, motorsport is back and I love it!

[@eightymopar]

I highly doubt they will, and wouldnt be surprised if they cant because it will be too much of a performance it. That and realistically only a very small percentage of people would use it, especially on a regular basis, its just not worth trying to implement.

[@TheMostOrdinaryMan]

@@eightymopar Sadly I think you're right. Split screen, physical game discs, getting a game with full DLC instead of small bundles.... all becoming things of the past due to either money, hardware or time. I will say the season pass has been worth it the last few years for Forza though.

[@eightymopar]

@@TheMostOrdinaryMan im honestly glad split screen is gone, i hated it. We all did back in the day 😂 we used to have makeshift lan parties with the ps2 even to avoid it. There was like one or 2 other consoles back then that had a system link type function as well, but i just dont remember off hand. Having your own, full screen is so much better, especially after playing 4 player split screen on goldeneye on a 19 inch tv 😂

[@rickfastly2671]

@@TheMostOrdinaryMan what is this season pass you speak of.

[@rokyle2323]

There's no split screen?!? Why even bother making this game

[@MaseTheAce]

The only thing I’m disappointed in right now is the campaign requiring an Internet connection. While I am used to it, I’m just not a fan of this trend since it’s affecting a lot of franchises. Other than that, I’m really excited about this game and look forward to playing it next week!

[@leVraiQuasar]

Buy thé game. Keep the bill that prove it . Get thé game from hacker. It's legal

[@ccalvinn]

​@@-T--T-Hey just here to confirm your comment, changing the sorting reveals it.🥸Weird.🥸

[@Saturnsonic95]

Gran Turismo 7 without internet is completely useless... so hopefully Forza you can at least play something without net if need be

[@josef6658]

I need more than 30 tracks that’s all

[@M3Busssin]

Yeah that is bs

[@jer103]

"You needs to drive well...", as he bumps every car he passes.

[@retrogamer64007]

In forza that’s driving well. AI is stupid AF you have to bump into them.

[@alexjett6638]

You don’t get more xp for passing clean just passing lmao

[@Ermz]

I'm not normally one to take to comments to chew someone out, but this is one of the laziest, most lopsided reviews I've ever seen. Since this is a huge channel, you're liable to mislead a metric ton of people. You cut between a small handful of clips exclusively taken from the very beginning of the game, give it a glow-up, then conclude by saying that 'there's not much more to talk about unless you're a diehard'. No. There's a LOT more you COULD have chosen to talk about. You could actually inform your viewers that Microsoft are using them as glorified beta testers, since there are bugs and crashes around every corner. You could tell them that there are NO race car events AT ALL in the single player career mode at present. NONE. It's exclusively road cars, so that the devs can get you grinding out this car level system, clearly designed to pad out player retention figures, so that the execs can pat themselves on the back at the next slew of boardroom meetings. How about that the AI is a complete travesty? Completely unable to race one another or the player in tight quarters, when they're not busy playing bumper cars and flying off the track, or randomly slamming their brakes in the middle of the race track. You could talk about the CLEARLY recycled (inaccurate) early Forza car models that have been dumped into this game - demonstrating that the 'built from the ground up' tag line the developers were using up until release was complete BS. How about that the force feedback experience on wheel is utterly tragic, until the player gets a degree in mechanical engineering and rejigs everything from the ground up? How about that close racing from interior views is nearly impossible, since there's no radar and the proximity arrows are useless? That's fine, chase cam with gamepad is the only thing that matters, right? You could talk about the predatory nature of the 'early play' release, launch day DLCs, or utter credit and XP grind this game is. As if they pivoted from creating a mobile game to mainline console midway through development. You could mention that the replay and photo modes are recycled travesties. The bipolar graphics combining flat textures and ancient models with ray tracing to try to pass as 'next gen', leading to hugely variable visual fidelity depending on time and weather. There are a metric TON of things you could've fleshed out in this 'just a racing game'. You could've told your viewers that Microsoft released an UNFINISHED game, and are charging full price for it, but instead you opted to push out a half-baked glow up and hoped that nobody would dive deep enough to notice. I understand that not everybody is into the racing space, and if that's you, there's nothing wrong with that. But just like I'll never review Farming Simulator since I don't know the first thing about farming, you could have just given this a miss - you don't have to review things you clearly don't care about.

[@TheRealBhuado]

the game MUST be updated every 2 weeks or at least once per month for at minimum 4 years. it is missing many basic features.

[@Terraceview]

It won't be. Like GT7, which is still half assed. I went back to playing FM7 to get my fix as there's so much more content.

[@Adam-M-]

I really like the feeling of grip on the cars, and the dynamic weather. Some strange track and car omissions bother me, but I'm sure they will be added. Also, I actually enjoy multiplayer, which I don't normally play, but I'd like a bit more customization in my races. So far, I haven't found a way to make a public online race without the driving line or certain assists.

[@gameranxTV]

👍🏼

[@JsGarage]

I’ve been loving the multiplayer surprisingly as I never really enjoyed it in the past in Forza. I wish there was a wider area of the game you could maintain party groups though. Annoying to change parts on a car and lose the group.

[@nickn8812]

Grip? I What grip mate?

[@jurgen7665]

Yeah there is more grip then in the older gen forza motorsport. I play with steering wheel, maybe thats the reason the grip feels solit​@JsGarage

[@Twardostoj1]

You don't have to buy many copies of the car, just save your settings and, unlike the previous parts of the series, you can load them without additional costs.

[@GJB21]

I get it, but that’s a bit tedious. People just wanna be able to have multiple separate builds, both performance and visually different on 2+ different cars; without needing to rank the next up to level 50. It’s a simple fix of them applying the car level to all cars of the same exact model. Even better imo would be to have a manufacturer level rather than individual models.

[@leiferikson7052]

@@GJB21 Its kind of fun for league starting stock and slowly building ur cars per race..

[@Beastowner]

​@@leiferikson7052its fun for now yea but in a couple of months nobody want to lvl a car to lvl 40-50 again just for a engine swap..

[@KashouWannabe]

You can do that with just earning cash, though. Think like the first couple of Gran Turismo titles. Car Exp is a far more restrictive and grindy system than just earning cash for upgrades or new cars.

[@B__L]

@@KashouWannabe If you want to play a game where you can mod any car and have silly amounts of money to make a 1000hp fiat panda then play horizon. This is supposed to be a more realistic racing career experience.

[@tjdorsey654]

Ive always been geared more towards forza motorsport than forza horizon. This new installment of forza motorsport feels refreshing compared to the last 3 forza motorsport games. i'm really enjoying this game, Its hard to put it down !!

[@carlsanders5081]

I feel exactly the same way bro, this is a much better Motorsport than the last 3 of them.

[@WASTHATABULLET]

I think they mentioned that besides the engine and models with the new tracking and physics they weren't really adding anything new just the best of what worked from all three.

[@ledumpsterfire6474]

I just want a new, well done Midnight Club/NFS Underground. I went into Horizon hoping it was going to be that, but just with bigger and more rural environments to race in. Honestly wasn't a fan at all. I remember trying The Crew 2, and I just cringed every time somebody opened their mouth. It was like Party in the USA by Miley Cyrus in video game form. Drooled over Horizon thinking that must be the version of the formula I was looking for, finally got an Xbox Series, got it off gamepass, aaaand.. cringey college party vibe. 😢

[@PeterJohnson76]

I prefer Motorsport compared to horizon too. But for me, this one sux compared to FM7

[@danielmiller6983]

It actually is pretty good. And the new tire model feels great. I can tell when I’m losing traction, and it’s easy to catch slides. I have had a couple game crashes, But I did buy early release. So I’m sure the bugs will be fixed, obviously given the title this is goi g to be here for a while, and improvements and updates will come. Definitely gives me a motorsport 4 vibe, but with better visuals, and better handling

[@definitelyfunatparties]

You’re sure the bugs are gonna be fixed? My guy.. you’re in for a treat. Is this your first forza game?

[@CaliBiz951]

@@definitelyfunatparties 😂 fuck man forreal, but us forza fans still have to hold onto the hope, the only thing bad i can say about the game right now is that wack ass delay they did with the clutch it totally works against the way your car handles mid turn. but as far as these crashes on pc, man it has been terrible, i got the crash after EVERY race thing going on it sucks man.

[@quebecpower978]

The game sucks.

[@Michael_Afton40]

​@@quebecpower978better than GT7 tho

[@definitelyfunatparties]

@@CaliBiz951 yh I don't get why they did that with the clutch, but you get used to it after a while.. tbh I rage quit the game refunded it after I drove a Honda and it didn't have vtec crossover. I don't even like Hondas that much bro but it just pisses me off that they don't care about something THAT big. FH5 was a dumpster fire and this is the last straw for me.. I think I'm done with with Forza.. which is sad, cause there really isn't anything out there that's a proper substitute. Assetto Corsa is pretty good but you have to mod and mod and mod until you get something actually worth playing..

[@gogo_diabeto8279]

One thing that annoys me, you level up your car, by the time you unlock the things you would expect to need to build a decent car you are onto your next career series in a different car thus leaving that old car to never be used again

[@leiferikson7052]

thing is the ranked races are stock anyways so the lv system isnt even a big deal.

[@retrogamer64007]

Thats true, you’ll never hit level 50 using the car in that series. So just when car gets good at like level 20, its over…

[@eightymopar]

Jake: laughs when he says "cp" Chris Hansen: why dont you have a seat over here...

[@waveydavey6496]

😂😂😂

[@ravenXO]

the fact that he said " for those who don't know these games are completely separate from the forza horizon games" shows that the new generation has officially taken over gaming. anyway i always like the original track-oriented games anyway. horizon is fantastic for displaying other types of racing and really doing some fun things. forza motorsport will always have my heart.

[@jinnyplays]

I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but this before you buy really missed the mark! You fail to mention that more then half of the features from 7 are missing, and the game has a plethora of issues. For anyone thinking about getting this game please take the time to watch some videos from other creators before you purchase.

[@drgonzo123]

It’s great if you love cars and want something with a little more flair than GT7. Not saying one’s better than the other. They’re just different. GT7 is really all about the cars and racing, not much fluff. Forza feels like it’s 80/20 sim racer/arcade racer. It has a better sense of speed and the sound design is top notch. But when it comes to actually learning how to race, GT7 does a better job teaching how and why. Forza has a lot of cool assists like the driving line, but there’s a lot more to it than that. If you’ve ever got all gold in GT’s license tests you know what I mean.

[@angel20503]

Eventhough i play FH5, i'll prefer GT7 than this FM.. too bad PC2 is no longer available an it is one of my favourite title for racing simulation..

[@betamontecarloturbo]

Having played a great many racing games over a number of years, though mostly on PC, I think it's more 60/40 or 50/50 Forza seems to lack ABS and TC settings having a "factory" (i.e whatever the real car has) setting and for modern GTs with adjustable TC levels on the fly I see no way to do this in the latest Forza

[@kip258]

The car xp level up system completely put me off this game. I love building cars but I want to take one and change things about it right away. Having to farm just to unlock the ability to *maybe* end up with a good car is terrible!

[@leiferikson7052]

thing is the ranked races are stock anyways so the lv system isnt even a big deal.

[@KashouWannabe]

I was hoping that they'd strip it back a bit but I've always hated their "car experience" feature for this upcoming title. What is so wrong with buying a junker with your starter money, grind the Sunday Cup a few times, whack in some upgrades and tackle the harder races. Really turns me off and I think this will be a "pass" for me.

[@Terraceview]

Yeah that was so great about the old Forza's and Gran Turismo. Gen Z just want instant gratification apparently according to the developers.

[@KashouWannabe]

@@Terraceview Isn't really that instant. You would have to put in 2-3 hours of races on a per car basis if you want to do some mild, basic car building such as changing out the brakes, gearbox etc. From what I gather things like engine swaps are locked behind level 40-50. That could be 4 hours plus to unlock, PER CAR. In his review Failrace said that he's been busy lately and hasn't been able to knuckle down with the game like he normally does. He still completed all the available events in the current career mode in two days. And there are week to month long wait timers for new events that may be time limited so a chance to miss them. And even then you could spend 4 hours plus on a car getting everything opened up only to find that there are no worthwhile competitions for that car due to entry restrictions. It really is a big, grindy mess, that feels like the antithesis of what the FM series should be.

[@AngelLopez-hc2df]

Forza 7 car update that's all we're asking for more cars.

[@RAY_FILET]

Wasn't sold at first, but after having played the game a bit more, I'm really liking it. I think it was smart to scale things down. Graphics seemed questionable at first, but I've started to appreciate how good it actually looks. This game is already really good , and it should be a good platform in which to expand upon.

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

A remember a racing sim review said that forza is the best looking expect with gt7 that look better but it needs to work some bug and that based game no mods or anything like what ac look like with mods

[@Lil_Valor]

@@USSAnimeNCC-this does look graphically better than GT7

[@christhegamerdelima5545]

@@Lil_ValorI've played GT7. GT7 looks a lot better lol. While Forza probably has better lighting, maybe, actual graphic fidelity and texture is much better in GT7.

[@seniorAlfredo]

​@@christhegamerdelima5545 some people say otherwise so I pretty sure its your opinion

[@JsGarage]

As a long time Forza Motorsport fan this new one is really good. Couple of little quirks but the look and feel are excellent.

[@b42charlie]

The amount of grinding is ridiculous in my opinion. You would think they would’ve learned from gran turismo 7 mistake with the low payouts and pay for credits to upgrade/ buy cars

[@wavytoad9983]

Ive played every forza game since Forza Motorsport 4. I was really disappointed to see the new progression system. I'm a dad so I don't always get time to sit down and play for a few hours. In the old Forza games I would often get on, buy and build a car, run it a few times and then get off for the day. I can no longer do that. I have to set aside half a day so I can fully upgrade my car. I'm also swimming in money that I don't need. I can buy all the stock cars I want. Yay.

[@wiseguy100]

They really went with CP as an acronym? Bold choice considering what CP is more known for.

[@eightymopar]

Cod Points? 😂😂

[@rodbernard91]

​@@eightymoparchild pornography

[@max10hoop]

Cheese Pizza. I knew it!

[@KHRacing]

Ikr they mixed 2 games tgt! Club penguin and Forza have no link tgt!

[@Mdvorak124]

Command Posts?

[@R3AL-AIM]

Been a long time coming... I've been around since the very first game on the OG Xbox. Horizon 4 and 5 have both been kind of disappointing to me. More or less just decently fun sandbox games, but the toning and progression of those games burnt me out fast. I've been itching to get back into a more serious "climb the ranks with your car" type of game. I hope this holds up over time and I'll definitely be playing with it being on Game Pass PC.

[@pigsinspace9927]

This game is just absolutely gorgeous under the right conditions it looks so close to real it's insane

[@invadurzim7836]

sad part...very far a few moments it looks good...it really does look dated most of the time...[on pc with a 3090 ran at 4k ultra solid 60fps cap]

[@treyanus5860]

@@invadurzim7836Bullshit. I’m playing on a 2070 laptop and it still looks great.

[@noncog1]

As a huge forza fan with over 15 hours in already on series x, parts of it look really bad given how it should look in 2023

[@whitezzpt]

@@invadurzim7836 it looks bad becuase of the far level of detail or the forced depth of field. I reinstalled Forza M 7 and looks way better on the distance, no blur at all. Close to your car game looks good but the rendering distance is realy bad. I refunded the game because of that.

[@pigsinspace9927]

@@noncog1 really cos at almost every point in my playthrough so far there was something stunning to look at, especially when it's raining or just after it's rained and you get those gorgeous reflections of the stadium lights on the track, I can't think of a racing game that looks better than this

[@ChristopherToro]

Most modes are online only, for me that’s a deal breaker.

[@ps5blows317]

We are living... in the future... We are living in the future..(South Park) btw, did you know you are connected to the internet right now? Is that a deal breaker for KZbin?

[@Jon-uj2uw]

Thanks for that info, I was searching for that now I know, I agree it's a waste of time if you don't actually own the game

[@surrealframe8835]

Ive owned every forza title since OG xbox and have been playing this last few days. Love the upgrade system and the online multiplayer is awesome

[@rileyspears8582]

I still think progression should be with manufacturer vs the specific car itself. If ur a Nissan guy then racing with any Nissan will unlock and level upgrades for that brand. Being locked to just each car is kinda a bummer, unless levelling up is fast. Just my thoughts, as someone that switched from PlayStation to Xbox years ago specifically because Forza Motorsport there is a list of things people have asked for over a decade that we still haven’t gotten. Instead they do things like this which is the complete opposite direction.

[@travishsw]

Why are people starting to call Tracks on racing games Maps? This isn’t CoD this is Racing. The game looks great. Only I’m worried about is the car leveling system.

[@turbo8628]

If by people you mean gameranx then yeah, you're right. I have never heard anyone else refer to a track as a map. People who refer to tracks as maps are about as into video games as people who refer to all consoles as nintendos.

[@iLeicha]

I'm not a big racing games fan, But i was once, Gran turismo 3 was my favorite racing game, Nothing actually come after give me the same sensation, i tried them all, Gran turismo 4 and 5..etc, It just something special about GT3.

[@retrogamer64007]

GT4 was peak…

[@TrustworthyFox37]

I have pre-ordered every Forza game since FM5, and I am a little hesitant to get this one because FM7 kind of burned me, I’m very happy to see this in my notifications

[@TheMostOrdinaryMan]

It's worth it. Besides the odd leveling system, everything is refined from FM7. AI is better, cars feel heavier, the sound is absolutely fantastic, even multiplayer runs really well. Just no drag racing or anything like that and no split screen.

[@TrustworthyFox37]

@@TheMostOrdinaryMan sounds reasonable

[@eightymopar]

I also got burned on FM7 on pc. Broken on launch and never fixed. I bought the premium upgrade and honestly, im not mad about it. It has some issues, mostly performance/optimization, but its workable with tweaking some settings. Overall ive been enjoying it though and its pretty solid.

[@dillonknight6136]

I've got 20 hours in and I'm hooked. The real improvement is how the cars feel on steering wheel it's top tier

[@ryanwood6006]

Doesn't it come out on the 10th? How did your get it so soon lol

[@Vengeance_02]

@@ryanwood6006pre order the ultimate edition I’m guessing

[@lupo1237]

​@ryanwood6006 if you pre-order a certain version you get like 5 days early access or something

[@ryanwood6006]

@@lupo1237 ahhhh i see ty

[@lupo1237]

@ryanwood6006 no problem brother have a good day!

[@fluidparadigms6719]

Why can't we just play a game because it's fun to play? If I want an endlessly grind, I'll go learn a skill in real life.

[@elitev8888]

Gran Turismo: Hold my Beer.

[@UNO279]

This is a great game but my storage is basically full since this isn’t the only game I have

[@blackacidevll5826]

35hrs in it , lvl 58 with wheel setup and it just feels AWESOME

[@dillonknight6136]

That's the biggest improvement imo

[@MrNegative101]

That’s a really intelligent way of making progression fun and engaging. So it’s not so much about mindlessly winning every race it’s more about driving better and better and trying new cars to get more xp and turning off all the assistants to get maximum xp… nice. Still gonna use muscle cars tho.

[@caleob9725]

Love what they have done with the multiplayer. Adding penalties really weeds out the reckless driving

[@fundude365]

I'm intrigued, and will make my decision when I get my hands on it with Game Pass, but I feel like long-term the progression system could be quite refreshing. I would often make new profiles in racing games so that I could get back to that early phase of driving what I could afford as hard as I could. Though I _really_ miss the old Gran Turismo approach of giving you 10000 bucks and setting you free in the used market.

[@mikemahoneygaming5754]

Just play GT7 bro. It’s obvs much better than this

[@AkinaMedia]

Are you steering with keys or the D-pad? You should be able to buy parts. The mods are limited by the class of the series. Car points could have been license points, so you are reward for your ability and therefore progress racing tiers.

[@kadeemaustin1259]

Bro! It’s bothering me lol

[@leiferikson7052]

my biggest thing is the ranked races are stock anyways so the lv system isnt even a big deal.

[@DestroyCooperative]

You’re example of a nut being frustrated because of wanting multiple different Miatas upgraded and tuned differently seems aimed at me. I daily and autocross a 95’ Miata in real life. It’s also part of my baseline for learning racing games. I want to go back and forth multiple tunes fluidly to get to the nitty gritty. Eventually having a specialized fleet each representing a different approach. It’s a way to learn the cause and effect of tweaking racing games. I don’t want to invest hours doing what I’ve already done with that make and model just to have that opportunity.

[@DoWorkNP]

You can save your upgrades for a car and apply it to the same car when you buy it again then tweak from there luckily

[@chase-me8lp]

video games have GOT to stop giving their credits the acronym CP.

[@flooshar]

Haven't played it yet, really looking forward to it though. What gets me into Forza motorsport is the tightness of the controls and it sounds like that is right on point again. When the "car by car" upgrade through experience etc thing was brought up at first it sounded frustrating, but actually it's a good point to have, keeps the game relevant, and "a point to play".

[@JFeather1]

I appreciate your take on the progression system. Made me understand it better. A lot of times I zone out and just focus on winning. Horizon makes you try for points. So I like they brought that idea over better now

[@fcukugimmeausername]

People waiting for the proper release of this game have no idea what they're in for. This game is in a shocking state. It is not an exaggeration to say that parts of this game look like they're from the X360.

[@alexjett6638]

With the assist you can make it so your car will drive itself except the gas so you just need to tape the gas and set the track to max laps

[@smokintiresburningtrees3244]

Will it run on steam deck? I would really appreciate a brief statement on steam deck compatibility (if applicable) for future before you buy titles.

[@shuura]

I've been enjoying this game immensely! I'm playing on PC 60+fps, and finally have the racing fix that, sadly, GT7 failed to provide for me. Well done Turn 10!!!

[@williamagan3506]

How did you get a solid frame rate? With a 5800X at 4.8ghz and a 3070 I can barely get around 60

[@edgardoreverol3929]

@@williamagan3506low quality all your settings 😅

[@gameranxTV]

👍🏼

[@shuura]

@@williamagan3506 here's my build: CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Raphael AM5 4.2GHz 16-Core Boxed Processor - $448.49 Motherboard: ASUS B650E-F ROG STRIX GAMING WIFI AMD AM5 ATX - $210.90 RAM: G.Skill Flare X5 Series 64GB (2 x 32GB) DDR5-6000 PC5-48000 CL30 Dual Channel - $140.60 Case: Montech SKY TWO Tempered Glass ATX Mid-Tower Computer Case - White - $99.99 HD: Samsung 990 PRO 2TB Samsung V NAND 3-bit MLC PCIe Gen 4 x4 NVMe M.2 Internal SSD (x2) - $159.99x2 GPU: Gigabyte NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti Gaming Overclocked Triple Fan 8GB GDDR6X PCIe 4.0 - $454.99 PSU: ASUS TUF Gaming 850 Watt 80 Plus Gold ATX Fully Modular Power Supply - $149.99 Cooling: DeepCool LS520 High-Performance Liquid CPU Cooler - $94.99 Keyboard: Corsair K70 RGB CHAMPION SERIES Mechanical Gaming Keyboard - $169.99

[@Krim138]

Excited to hear this i have a 4060 and i hope it runs good!

[@jimtoy1366]

Simulation? No. Challenging? No. Flight simulator for cars... please Jake, I'm begging you to play some actual racing sims to see how far off this is. Most people are going to play racing sims with a wheel and the vast majority of players will be using a game pad for this. I think that's 50% down to the physics being really understeery and kind of 'floaty' and 50% down to the wheel support being broken with a real lack of force feedback and a horrible set up experience with an endless list of settings to trawl through to make it sort-of work. Please give us a bit more info on the online portions of racing games since I think that's what a lot of people are here for.

[@oo0Spyder0oo]

Disappointed Bathurst is missing along with some of the classic Holden and Fords that were in Fm7, maybe they intend to make them a purchase later but not too hopeful. The rest is really nice.

[@andyb1653]

Been a FM fan since the early days. I'm genuinely looking forward to this one, not sure how I feel about the new upgrading system though. Unlike many FM players I tend not to upgrade or tune my cars all that much (I'm a fan of factory-spec racing), so it might not impact **MY** experience with the game too much, but for some of my friends who are seriously into the building/tuning scene I could see it being a right pain. Having to level a car up before you can start f*cking around under the hood properly might be a deal-breaker for some, it'll depend on how much grinding is required in order to unlock a car's full range of parts and tunability. If you can unlock everything in a few races, or perhaps a single championship series, it should be fine- It'd even give a tuner a few KM to get used to a car's "personality" before getting to work. If it takes many, many hours behind the wheel for EVERY CAR, like it's some kind of piston-powered MMORPG, most of the hardcore tuners will lose interest and play something else.

[@wallthemart]

Hopefully it is manufacturer bound or at least category... levelling car by car is mad 😢

[@andyb1653]

@@wallthemart Pretty sure I heard it's by car, although by manufacturer would make more sense. Hopefully it's not too much of a grind, maybe like in past Forza games' leveling systems, you'll get extra XP by turning off assists and increasing AI skill.

[@leiferikson7052]

the ranked races are stock anyways so the lv system isnt even a big deal.

[@andyb1653]

@@leiferikson7052 I sincerely hope you're correct.

[@ITSMINECRAFTTIME32]

@@andyb1653I’ve had early access and the upgrade system is actually pretty fun and amazing. What I’ve noticed is leveling up relies on your skills the better you drive on the track the more Car XP you earn which levels your cars up. After doing the first 2 builders cup my cars are always near the 21-25 level range at the last race which is enough for just about everything besides engine swaps, drivetrain conversations, and body kits. That’s fine with me besides body kits that doesn’t really make sense for me. What I have noticed is the need to drive better on the track combined with the highest AI setting being really fast makes it a really enjoyable game because it always feels like you need to push your car to its limits and fiddle around with tuning! Overall the progressions really makes you learn a car and what upgrades are ideal for example I picked the civic as a starter car in the past I would have just maxed it out to the required PI and not noticed how tail happy it is which prompted me to focus on getting rear sway bars and better rear tire width as my first couple upgrades.

[@JHartF321]

I really am liking the game so far! Sure the car leveling system seems a little weird but truly you don’t learn a car in a day. That system is in place to master a car more than customize. I just wish they had drifting in the multiplayer list!

[@TheBirdGamesMain]

Tbf, the drifting is really hard in this game, that said, i havent tried drifting with a drift tune

[@definitelyfunatparties]

It would be good if limited to career mode. Since they apply this everywhere, it just means every single person online will now be driving the same cheat car for each class 💁‍♂️

[@leiferikson7052]

@@definitelyfunatparties what? online races are stock my guy... have u p[layed the game? all u can do is tune ur car in practice. all specs are equal.

[@definitelyfunatparties]

@@leiferikson7052 I played it but asked for a refund before actually trying online races tbh.. I'm just so disappointed... FH5 was the WORST forza game to date, but I actually had decent expectations for FM cause it was an actual T10 project but it just made me even more disappointed in the whole franchise..

[@leiferikson7052]

@@definitelyfunatparties idk i think its the best online racing out there hands down.. even better than iracing but that can change soon when it drops on game pass.

[@andrewdavid6054]

The only thing that I'm not a fan of with Forza is that brake bias is set per vehicle, and requires the purchase of upgraded brakes, where in GT Sport it is a global setting. Brake bias makes a huge difference when playing with a controller. Combined with the ABS, cars like the Mustang are undriveable to me as they will just understeer off every corner. I've setup my Mustang to 70/30 rear bias, and now it snaps in to every apex like its on rails. Also noticed some strange artefacts around the light poles from 8:25 onwards, especially against the sky. It's like motion blur that forgot to blur. Is that your setup or the game? Also I loved when you referred to the tracks as maps (nerd!) 😜

[@eddieford9373]

The thumbnails for these videos are always funny, but I can't stop laughing at this one.

[@Michael_Afton40]

This game feels like a worthy successor to Forza Motorsport 4

[@Alternatedimension2]

My first Xbox is my X, I really enjoyed Horizon, so I feel like this is really gonna be something fun. Thanks for the video

[@anythingandeverything_cuisine]

No mention of NO auction site. Im sure that missing feature that is in alot of the forza games has upset a few people. I must admit, I miss it.

[@omegarosso3749]

I felt a bit included in the "Multiple Miata kitted differently" thing, I literally have 10 differently kitted Miata in Horizon 5😅

[@somedudemark]

As someone who's hooked on F1 and setting lap times around the tracks and also dabbled in Assetto and rFactor 2, I've been waiting on this game for more chilled but still good game. Loved Horizon 4 and 5 so excited to dive into my first Motorsport title from these guys today!

[@szewei85]

This is the step way up from motorsport 7 that i played till horizon 4 releases You wont regret it hahahaha

[@Membummi22]

I was wondering, what if they have some "Driving Test" on mid-late game that can unlock sort of instant car level threshold? I mean like after the test they can provide lv 5 as a start 10/15/20 and so on. I mean the driver skill level would be keep progressing, not always from 0 every time changing the car.

[@dylanhughes572]

Just had a the worst racing experience that I'm glad I was sober for.. Heavy rain on a curvy track.. all the terrian disappears and I'm left fearing driving off the edge and into oblivion. Floating NPC corpses (no stadium anymore) and lightning crackingly.. all very creepy when the graphics are on ultra.

[@EverythingGaming]

So the whole car points system is a pain but also something the fans wanted. We wanted more of a grind, but T10 took it a bit far lol. I did a video of this on my channel explaining it in a bit more detail, however I think T10 need to re-adjust the car points/leveling system to just be related to each car Brand, and not every car! Apart from that, its a fantastic racing game.

[@nintendork23]

Speaking of racing, i've been waiting to hear what you guys thought of the crew motorsport

[@andyb1653]

It's the Pepsi to Forza Horizon's Coke. Or more appropriately, If FH is a Camaro, Crew Motorfest is a Mustang. It's fun enough, and a similar experience to PG's game. If you're looking for a simulator-ish experience you might be disappointed, but if you know what you're getting into it's a good time.

[@BlackTarH]

@@andyb1653 lol

[@jmaracing7074]

Motorfest*

[@phantom0590]

similar to nfs imo.

[@tedbear631]

I played the Horizon game and I really enjoyed it and the only thing I really wanted in that game was actual tracks to race on so of course this game is totally for me. I'm pumped for this one and its good to see people enjoying the game so far. Haven't picked it up yet but soon!

[@Jolgeable]

"I played the Horizon game [...] and the only thing I really wanted in that game was actual tracks" I couldn't say it better!

[@zachhatten261]

Save money and buy Motorsport 7. There are definitely differences, but not noticeable enough to justify the $50 difference

[@kodiwtf]

Don't. Wait and see if they update the game and fix all the horrendous bugs and choices they have made, for one this game is very difficult to run even on high end or top of the line computers, secondly the multiplayer is locked to 60fps which obviously makes it horrible to look at and also makes the responsiveness of the game much slower. There is also many bugs with crashes, tracks not loading, and the worst one I have come across is that no matter what nothing to do with voice works in the game, the announcer and narrator do not work, and I cannot hear voice chat. tried verifying and reinstalling the game but no luck. Past all that the racing in the game feels amazing compared to anything else I have played, the car level progression is weird and I am not a fan of having to play hours and hours of one car just to do an engine swap. But if you take anything away from this just WAIT for them to update it

[@k1ngkaos252]

​@@kodiwtf🤓☝️ tis the game is only running at a drooping 60 FPS. My eyes bleed from the horrendous notion, thus causing a chain effect of an unpurchase ☝️🤓

[@kodiwtf]

​@@k1ngkaos252 You sound like an idiot. 60 FPS on a 240hz monitor and a system that is quite high end feels extremely sluggish in comparison to consoles. Consoles don't even sit on 60fps anymore so why they would decide to do this is very bizzare

[@AceMaverick]

The turning in this looks like it's done with the directional buttons.

[@du6ee]

Car points… what an unfortunate acronym lol. Anyways what’s the best way to get cp?

[@Maxmekker42]

I like the car xp system, but wish all upgrades where unlocked from the start. That way it would give you way more options from the getgo, but you would need to grind to max out.

[@acerimmer8338]

Exactly. Not every car is meant to upgraded the same.

[@rsg-digital]

The progression reminds me of games with guns where you upgrade the more you use a gun. I agree they need to keep the progression per car. I like to have a 4 WD and rear wheel version of some cars. Plus maybe a Category A and S setup ready to go. This means I need to level up 2 cars or switch setups before racing :(

[@themchannel853]

Sounds about right for the Racing Game community, begs and pleads for a feature (building stronger bonds with a car) but also complains when the devs include it in the game.

[@feedmeee7020]

good review. my graphics look a bit more blurry than yours despite 100% resolution with ultra dynamic quality (cause there's no off button). not sure how to fix it. Also runs on like 60fps without raytracing on a 3070ti, where f12023 runs on like 150fps, not sure why.

[@durodesduvo8424]

I have this and Forza Motorsport 7. FM7 was my first Forza and it was nearly undrivable for me, so I was nervous about this, but it’s A LOT easier. I couldn’t even cruise around in FM7 without crashing it was ridiculous.

[@deathtrooper2048]

Are you a wheel player?

[@durodesduvo8424]

@@deathtrooper2048 controller. I'm coming from Granturismo where the controller is extremely responsive and precise- like you can place the car exactly where you want with accuracy. Going to FM7 where the minimum steering input is actually a TON of steering input, and on top of that the physics are kind of strange. It took 50 years to catch a slide, the understeer was catastrophic. Something as simple as changing lane felt like trying steer the titanic 180°. Anyway the new game has similar car physics, but it is a lot more drivable. I think with this one I can be more precise with my inputs, they calibrated the controller much more properly. And less challenge doesn't equal less realistic. Most cars in the real world are quite easy to handle.

[@durodesduvo8424]

@@deathtrooper2048 I should explain I could drive the easier cars in FM7 without too much difficulty, but not the ones that are tricky. The last time I raced on FM7 I drove the Jaguar F Type- its a gran touring car, not a track car, so you would expect it to be tricky to drive, but alright. I could barely do a lap without spinning, it was completely on edge for me and I don't think that's true to life or fun.

[@skylinecollector]

I'm a die hard Forza fan. I've been there since the begining. I like to see car levels come back but taking away my tuning and upgrade power is absolutely ridiculous. They really messed up and I'm at the point that I'm done with the series. I'll just keep playing the old games that are actually good

[@dillonknight6136]

It's really grown on me. I've been enjoying the car progression

[@boostmefujumoto]

Lmao thats a bit of stretch simply bc they took something out doesn’t mean the whole game is ruined. The game didn’t even come out yet.

[@skylinecollector]

@@boostmefujumoto it's not just this Ive been annoyed since Horizon 3 came out.

[@boostmefujumoto]

@@skylinecollector ohh my fault I never really like the Horizon games either, I’m more a motorsport fan. The Horizon games always felt weird to me.

[@G.O.A.T555]

Why did we never get a The Crew motorfest before you buy?

[@z3et]

Zero mentions on LOADS of bugs (Save bug, upgrade bug, collision bug, graphic bugs, etc) and still not fixed on the latest update. Kinda wonder, is it just lottery at this point or...?

[@EUKBIKER]

BEFORE YOU BUY! Its on game pass in 1 - 2 days, dont buy it just wait 1 - 2 days to get it.

[@tethys17]

Game pass is like having a dad that works at blockbuster 😂

[@eightymopar]

Honestly i paid for the premium upgrade and been enjoying the hell out of it the past 3 days.

[@EUKBIKER]

@@tethys17 game pass feels like using limewire but legally

[@EUKBIKER]

@@eightymopar good to know but in the UK premium upgrade is £70, £70 to play early isnt worth it when i pay £10 a month which gives me online access to everything, free games, exclusive packs and access to extra content. I might have to wait a extra few days to play the games, but honestly majority of my time is taken up by working and riding my motorcycle.

[@eightymopar]

@@EUKBIKER are you serious? Holy shit. That just the add on upgrade? Or is that with the game?

[@fappydabear1774]

Cant wait for it to release. My fanatec wheel is ready for the road.

[@The123dsd]

Nothing more race sim than the rewind button. lol

[@sidthesloth12]

Was really hoping to see the Career Calender from the early FM make an appearance...it was so cool to have to race a different style and class every day to progress, it really got me using cars I would have never touched, and u love it for that. It's even how I fell in love with the Le Mans 24 hour race...I used to race that every week...even had the World Record time at one point.

[@TheBroncoKid79]

bring on the grind that's what is missing from the racing world it makes it better to have to work for stuff that way if you work hard you will have stuff that other people don't have i love that

[@haunterdragon4580]

No way lol the unlocking should be off more meta stuff not basics. That and getting new cars and places to race. I don't want my fun stuck to the beginner car they start me with cause it's the one I get the most time with

[@pilotwall]

Hello, Jake!

[@gameranxTV]

👋

[@TwoFoxGibbon]

1 very good thing: Because parts and tuning uses CP, any and all money earned is solely used for buying other cars. And once you level a car to 50, you get a 5% discount on purchases from that manufacturer (maxes at 25%). 1 very bad thing: the leveling process is slow. Like, 3-4 hours + per car slow. With over 500 cars, that's a lot of grinding. There needs to be some game mechanic to increase XP gains or some way to speed up the process in some way. It can get brutal.

[@yaboykris2118]

I like it making you grind for your car. Horizon was cool but it felt so boring after way too short of a time because every car you got could be made ridiculously fast instantly and took the fun out of “driving” and learning the car. That’s just my opinion.

[@Youtubeburner9]

i was looking for reviews for about 15 mins then the GOAT of reviewers drops a before you buy

[@mundanemorselsmundanemorse7028]

You haven’t heard of ACG?

[@blangille6407]

I play ACC, AC and rF2 on a daily basis but I'm skipping this one. I'd have fun with it for a few hours tops. Nothing like the thousands of hours of more of the realistic sims that are out now. Plus, WRC, AC2, Le Mans Ultimate and new ACC content are on the way.

[@retrogamer64007]

ac2? When that coming out on Xbox? Also what new ACC content? I thought they were done with that

[@blangille6407]

@@retrogamer64007 AC2 is out in 2024. They'll likely have it for consoles soon after pc release. ACC content will be a GT2 car pack.

[@GoldRaven-oe4by]

Im really tired of game makers having limited graphics options for consoles like why can't i just choose 4k 60, 1440 90, 1080 120 with a togle so you can choose rt or hdr

[@-ColdAsIce]

Just a quick note (if anyone actually read this lol) Forza Motorsport is not even close to being a simulator. The community actually calls it "simcade" which is somewhere in between simulation and arcade. I think the only active racing simulators out there right now are iRacing and Assetto Corsa. Don't get this wrong, I love Forza Motorsport and Horizon (I'm probably sitting on around 400hs on FH5). I'm just pointing this out before you try to talk about this game on a simulation community and get joked on. For a daily gaming session I like Forza games way more than sim, I can just grab my controller, play and leave without any thoughts. Sim racing you need to organize races with people, you're on edge all the time, pressure, etc, it feels great when you're feeling the sim and competitive vibe, but it will never be a relaxing gaming experience. Unless you're drifting, but even drifting servers have unbreakable rules. And yep, Gran Turismo is also a simcade. You can imagine a comparison like this: [Sim RacingF MotorsportF HorizonArcade racing] If you are curious on how a racing sim is like, it's something like this: - It's pretty much not recommended to play it with a controller. You need a complete wheel set, specially if you want to play online and compete. The fact that Motorsport is made primarily with controllers in mind already rule it out from being a simulator. - Physics and simulation are not forgiving. Going out of track, hitting other cars or walls even at low speed will cost you A LOT. Even missing the clutch during shifting can ruin your car. - Actually, hitting people, break checks, not letting someone faster than you pass you, among many other rules, will get you heavily penalized and you can even get banned from the server you're playing on. But I like that Motorsport is trying to penalize, even if a little, donkies for playing like donkies.

[@susanna8612]

This seem like racing game I will try out. Simple, on point without endless backside stories is what racing simulators should all be. Sounds good.

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

For for it also of you need tuning help watch Hokihoshi he haven't made one for Motorsport yet but he made one for horizon 4 and 5 also as an advice pick the rims and body kits you want for your cars first and work around them don't tune and then change styling of your car

[@gameranxTV]

👍🏼

[@Glowingtomato]

I've been loving the game so far. The variable weather is amazing even on my Series S

[@pewwmeister1513]

To be honest i like the idea of earning points for upgrades for cars. But the current system is not good. They could remove the unlocking of parts, but keep the points system. You would still need to do races with the car to get the points but then you can just choose whatever upgrade you want with the points you have. Points could also be earned by any car from the manufacturer/class and be spent in the same categories instead of just one specific car.

[@TheKingeboue27]

Ruined it with the level up system, most the fun was messing around with crap cars to see which can be made good, not gonna do that down in D class. Dumb arcadey idea not realistic- anyone with money can mod a car shouldn't have to do anything

[@benn8793]

I think it is a shame that many reviewers are glossing over this platform system. The game costs a lot of money if you don't play via Gamepass. It is a full-price game. So it should also offer enough content.

[@jjnich4915]

I agree with this. Not going to lie only 20 tracks to race on is kind of weak compared to previous games. I didn't see Monza, Imola, Adelaide, Albert Park, Magny Cours, Hockenheim, Singapore, Monaco and no Nordscleife until September 2024. Really? You are going to make me wait a whole year for the most legendary race track in Forza... kind of a let down.

[@paulvanlue6790]

Think I'm hanging up my controller...its all about how they can probably get micro-transactions into the game. Most every big title game has done it now.

[@johnp5250]

Alright lets see if this will be added to my Steam Deck list

[@MarcoVeraccio]

Great game but doesn’t seem to run well on the Deck - 30fps on low and only through Windows 10. It’s quite demanding but with ray tracing on it looks insane (on 3080)

[@Randomchannel844]

Me to Forza Horizon 5 after this game released: perhaps I treated you too harshly

[@leoabrams]

How would you compare gt7? I found this last literation with always online and at first expensive cars and many forced doubles was disappointing regardless of solid sim racing it left something to be desired. It was improved with feedback thankfully and improved nonetheless. But I felt the sim racing itself was above par anything else ever created.

[@Kilson-76]

I understand why people dont like the car leveling but for some reason i love it

[@svxnger]

because its a racing game, not an JRPG

[@Kilson-76]

@@svxnger I am pretty sure I said I understand the reason, but sure add to the pile

[@leiferikson7052]

my biggest thing is the ranked races are stock anyways so the lv system isnt even a big deal.

[@ColtAlabama]

As I've gotten older, the amount of time I can spend playing these games gets less and less, but my love for the forza motorsport games hasn't diminished one bit. So I've been eagerly waiting years for this game. When I saw the new upgrade system, my heart just sank because I knew there's no way I'd be able to enjoy the game the same as I did with all the ones before. I get grinding for cars but grinding to enjoy them the way you want to is crazy to me. So many great new features ruined by a poorly designed car leveling system. If it gets fixed, they'll have my 100 dollars the moment I get the news, but as of right now I'm not going to waste my money on a game that seems to be designed to be unenjoyable to play.

[@xHypnoToad]

I understand you but from what i've heard you can unlock 90% of the upgrades for a car by level 40 and it only takes around 1.5-2 hours of solid playing to level a car up to 40. And 2 hour per car is easily something you would be doing anyway regardless of what kind of upgrade system the game has. Yeah in the late game it will be annoying as you cant just buy a car and upgrade it instantly for fun but I think this overall is less of a big deal than people are making it out to be. Even something simple like doing test laps while tweaking the tune on your car will level your car up.

[@jamesleach6265]

I played a few hours and was leveling up cars pretty quick, in a full practice session before the race I was unlocking 5-6 levels and I'm not great

[@ColtAlabama]

@@xHypnoToad yeah sorry kid but I along with the rest of the adults in the world don’t have time for that. When froza first came out its biggest selling point was the freedom it gave you to do whatever you wanted when you wanted. They just ruined that. And if you don’t understand that then you’re not a real fan.

[@xHypnoToad]

@@ColtAlabama better stick with horizon then lmao that seems more your kind of game

[@jakubliberacki8878]

The one thing i hate so much in this game is how forgiving the penalties are its almost like they are not even there especialy in pvp, you could be in first place and someone can casualy slam into you put you back to 10th place and its not even guaranteed they get a penalty

[@HawkSea]

I know this probably isn't your go to type of game but thanks for delving into it, much appreciated!