Foundation | Demerzel Decants 3 Empires Simultaneously | Season 2 Episode 10 Finale

[@belbo1221]

I just loved the three actors' line readings on waking up; DAY : I am Brother Day. DAWN : I am Brother Dawn. DUSK : I am... too old for this shit. Terrence Mann really is the unsung hero of the Empire plotline 😄

[@spicecaptain7279]

he actually said "I am... was 1 day from retirement"

[@igorwojtyna2158]

I think that by wonderful she means the inevitable collapse of the dynasty which she just can not stop and thus her freedom

[@TheWisconsinFishTank]

Thats a good theory; shes forced to keep the empire going but is low-key happy to see it slipping into irrecoverable decline since it means her 'soon' to be freedom.

[@reganator5000]

@@TheWisconsinFishTank though it'll still take her by surprise- the second foundation may be precognitively aware of the Mule, but he is, by definition, well outside the ability of psychohistory to predict (to be fair, any single human should be. Empire only avoids being an outlier- a single individual with undue effect on galactic events- by virtue of there being quite a large sample size of his actions. Which is why there is no emperor in the books, which take the concept a little more seriously, and regard it far less as some sort of prophetic gift, but instead as a mathematical model of probability).

[@petchlnwzaaa]

This is exactly what I thought when I saw it. She can’t wait for the empire to collapse so she can be free from the program.

[@winsomehax]

Seldon gave it to her for a reason.

[@kc1john]

@@winsomehax Bingo. He was not interested in whatever Cleon had to say at all. He was irrelevant.

[@jeremyredandblueify]

I love the last few minutes where she says she doesn't understand the prime radiant and that she is learning and see great things ahead, fast foward 150 years and she has had years to process this information. The music was amazing and they zoomed in on her delivering these lines. I love this show.

[@jamesm.5125]

So, really, Demerzel is Empire. She decants and recants them, has been there since the beginning and pretty much runs their shit.

[@kc1john]

As first Cleon intended and programmed her to do. Even though she doesn't really want to do it.

[@TechBearSeattle]

@@kc1john - Wait, Cleon made her? I have not seen the series -- I don't have Apple TV -- but in the books, Demerzel was a temporary disguise for R. Daneel Olivaw, who predated the Empire by almost 20 millennia.

[@none-of-your-busi-ness]

@@TechBearSeattle didn't make her no, but he did reprogram her

[@andrewsuryali8540]

@@TechBearSeattle This adaptation ignores a lot of the elements of the books. The robots are a non-factor in the series (other than Demerzel) and the Spacers are actually spacers (as in permanently living in space) instead of the colony of insular weirdos and the even more insular Solarians. No R. Daneel, sadly.

[@davidheath3171]

@@andrewsuryali8540 Maybe I missed some detail, but I don't recall anything from the show that outright rules out R. Daneel. That being said, whether or not Demerzel is R. Daneel is kind of... irrelevant? At least as far as the show's story is concerned.

[@ciddurand8759]

It may go down like this. We now will have Dawns kid vs. the recanted Cleons. This will cause...issue with the public. Probably to the point of social breakdown.

[@ritvikpreetamkamarapu3611]

Yes, That's what happens and mule is most disfigured child and powerful

[@j.v.r.1981-]

I think there will be another time leap .... So maybe instead of a child, we will see a grandchild.

[@patryot5668]

what hari seldon saw why he was building his "seed repository"..btw this is something that intelligence agencies like the nsa cia and others do, they make projections on future events and how bad they could get and what to do to prepare. just not in terms of millenia.

[@BigMikeMcBastard]

Well, Old Dawn is actually Cleon XVII or something and New Dawn is Cleon XX? Whatever their actual number, obviously Old Dawn is ahead of any of the recently decanted clones in the line of succession. So yeah, civil war time because if Old Dawn has a kids and grandkids then the clones are all illegitimate rulers, same as if Day had married/had kids.

[@weldonwin]

In the books at least, when we pick up 150 years on, the Empire has well and truly fallen, with it's last bastion being a tiny cluster of worlds around New Trantor, Old Trantor is now an agrarian world with the cities slowly being recycled for scrap materials and the last Emperor, is a senile old man, constantly rambling about how he'll soon crush the usurper and restore the empire to glory.

[@theresewilliams7232]

Jaw dropping scene, they really are just puppets on a string. Though I understand the time jumps I really wish we could see the immediate fallout of the events of season 2 . Like I would love to see how will she coach the 3 of them , Dawn and Sareth reaching their destination .

[@ultronemperor3525]

I think they are all puppets. At the end of the day, Demerzel can't control Day, but all she do is for the good of the Empire, but only because the original emperor made her this way

[@aaron4820]

I would really enjoy an anthology style of the show that just picks random events / generation(s) of the genetic dynastic throughout the millennia.

[@SCARRIOR]

Yeah, well blame greedy studios for cutting tv series down from 25 episodes a season to 10 or 8, or even 6. Then they say bullshit about quality, even although the technology of before is bigger than now. Profts start to dip after the first episode, and after eight episodes, 70% of the people watching the first episode are still watching the season even although this stil makes them money, they don't think it's enough, especially when production studios say things cost more than they actually do, in an effort to get out of income tax.

[@grahamfloyd3451]

@@SCARRIOR everything you said is ignorant BS, and I say that out of love. Dig into your comparisons even a little and you'll see that there is no comparison. If you want to inform yourself about some of the changes you've experienced in your lifetime, we've watched shows trade English dialog (good writing) for more expensive to produce special effects, due to the globalized market. This is especially notable in movies. But thanks to streaming, we are in a golden age of quality tv shows due to the extreme competition between services. Unfortunately due to globalization we will never see more dialog driven shows like Star Trek TNG with lots and lots of episodes a season. They were A LOT cheaper to produce.

[@kc1john]

@@SCARRIOR If you force shows to have 20+ episodes in a season, you're going to end up with a bunch of filler episodes. Shorter seasons are better.

[@innings932]

Demerzel, gardienne éternelle de la Dynastie Génétique. Le Frère à l'Aube, le Frère au Jour et le frère au Soir. J'ai hâte de retrouver la saison 3 ❤.

[@JustPippaNY]

The Empire is ruled by three clones of Cleon because they alone are carrying the entire series.

[@raynethackery1]

Imagine being the newly decanted Dusk. All your life behind you. Relegated to being an advisor and to paint the Imperial Mural. I'd be pissed.

[@josephwilson1537]

For a short time, yes. Until she uploads and edits the memories, they won't even know they're decantations.

[@davidrajtr8332]

Now empire is in pretty big troubles and nice shows up how it falls when they must decant 3 empires at once :D

[@garcia207]

0:50. Do you know who you are? We are Farmers, duh duh, duh duh duh.

[@Uh-huh-uh-huh]

I read the books. One of the few times I will ever say the series (or movies) are far better than the books.

[@gavinferguson]

agree the books get lost in some much detail and struggles to keep a story going

[@XManium]

Despite the differences, I really want Demerzel to have the exact same ending as the robot in the books.

[@biomimetica]

TV Demerzel rocks but I also want her to end up on the moon and stalk Hari as Chetter Hummin lol

[@mcmarkmarkson7115]

Because the books are meant to tell a story of empires not individuals. For mainstream audiences they certainly going to enjoy the drama more than the mechanics of how an empire is run/falls. But to me it makes this show just another mainstream mediocre drama show. Which I hate, I want scifi, not another shit drama with scifi elements (most of which don't even make sense)

[@Centipedestyle89]

I think now with rhe new data she is ginna make the threat we see in season 3 to truly free herself

[@nicolejalo6693]

when it was finally that shes the one tru heir to the throne. i was. its over for those 3 . she will revive the machines sooner

[@akmosmusic]

Love this show its epic

[@LesterSuggs]

Who is the robot now?

[@NYPoster]

Love this show

[@4DRC_]

Humans won the battle but robots won the war

[@tumbahantoine2517]

When the doctor found out that the prime radiant is a back door for outliers, so foundation 1 doctor is hopeing foundation 2 doctors outliers can use it to spy on demerzel and the clones.

[@DarkAllianc3]

Enjoying the show because I didn't read any books. The only part/character I didn't like at all was Salvor. I don't know if it was her acting or her character's personality, but I was happy when they did the time skip after S1 because I thought she would have been long-dead, but instead, she was in cryo sleep. T_T. Hopefully, she stays gone this time.

[@YoungerFuthark]

I thought they were each clones of the same person and their age difference was due to the date they were decanted. Thus, every decantation would be "Dawn".

[@stahppls2293]

Exponents are parallel copies of each Cleon currently living so the line of succession is never broken She's never had to decant three at once, usually just replaces the ones that die accidentally

[@karolkaminski8742]

Demerzel just save the empire. like her promgraming do

[@janesgems7]

Is it me or is she shaping up to be the real villain in this?

[@hbko]

Or the hero? We just have to wait and see :)

[@patnor7354]

Thanks to this... show... we will never get an adaption of the Foundation books.

[@mcmarkmarkson7115]

One of these days, someone without a corporate overlord might be able to do it.

[@joash480]

she is enslaved to them as they are enslaved to her.

[@CornyWebb]

When the blood line goes wrong, or an emperor goes wrong ... just 'whack' him and decant a new one. ... this was 100% not in the books I've read ... although (Eto) Demerzel was still the driver behind the Emperor

[@Pseudo___]

i still hate the opening procedure for it

[@kt.7980]

Как сериал называется на русском языке?

[@RobertBates]

Основание

[@joaomaria9825]

Ds Sd

[@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164]

Demerzel is the real Empress and power behind the throne. 😂

[@grantdustin1]

; { 1:20

[@sandbridgekid4121]

This show is so far from Asimov's vision and the actual series of novels. Although beautifully shot, it is almost unwatchable if you have read any Asimov's or other authors Foundation books. None of the plot is in any of the literature. Disappointed is a inadequate description of my reception and perception of this limited series.

[@gnryushi]

That's the sad part. They had to dumb it down for the viewers.

[@sandbridgekid4121]

@@gnryushi I only watch it because a friend works for one of the companies that does the cgi and rendering.

[@lkiing]

You can read a lot about Demerzel and Seldon in Forward to the Foundation. But yeah this series is just "inspired" by Foundation, not the books. I guess many still believe you cannot make a show out of Foundations. Best not to have read it to watch the series... otherwise it really hurts (i.e. Demerzel is a huge ally/backer of Seldon and appears at the end as the one guiding humanity and the empire).

[@gnryushi]

@@sandbridgekid4121 It's good TV not gonna lie. It's been a long time since I've read the books but I wish I didn't read them before watching the show. Otherwise congratulate your friend on the SFX. It's incredible.

[@sandbridgekid4121]

@gnryushi He interned with Foundation. He did ships for Babylon 5, will work for FREE on reboot.

[@andrasfischer3778]

This shit is Deviate frem the books more and more....

[@amanwithnoname-ds6ep]

And? No one said you had to watch it if you don't like it

[@Jaseford]

Blade Runner significantly deviated from Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, and it’s one of the best movies of all time. Demanding absolute fealty to the source material stifles creativity and innovation, especially when adapting from one medium to another.

[@mcmarkmarkson7115]

@@amanwithnoname-ds6ep And who is saying he can't complain about what he doesn't like?

[@mcmarkmarkson7115]

@@Jaseford bad take. Android dreams was inspiration. Its different when you directly source from a book. Especially when you change the entire narrative and the point of the source.

[@mrsswindon]

ive never read the books. The tv show on its own is really good in my opinion. I guess it depends how much the story has been changed, in which case i would rather them just have made the show under a different name.

[@slylataupe4272]

When woke is done good we can only appreciate the result 👍

[@prince-solomon]

woke and good are mutually exclusive ;-)

[@slylataupe4272]

@@prince-solomon why would you say that ? Don’t you like Foundation? Is it not woke ?

[@galahad3195]

Wokeness itself is petty resentment and bitter entitlement masquerading as activism as an excuse to be cruel. That's why you can explore "woke" topics without actually being "woke."

[@zoe_ward]

delusional lmfao 😂😂

[@anastasiawortham8833]

Last season of game of thrones all over again

[@mcmarkmarkson7115]

Too bad the show got too woke. Was so promising. But whenever shows detract too much from the original work it never turns out well :-(

[@Hadesthief]

What makes the show woke exactly?

[@mcmarkmarkson7115]

@@Hadesthief Gender and race swapping characters is kinda a big tell...

[@Hadesthief]

@@mcmarkmarkson7115 that in itself has no effect on the story or the writing

[@mcmarkmarkson7115]

@@Hadesthief and if it was the only thing changed I would agree

[@Hadesthief]

@@mcmarkmarkson7115 Then complain about the things that make it bad instead of inconsequential details like skin color or gender