Ezra Aderhold & Aaron Gossage Hosts, Natalie Ryan Settlement, New Eagle McMahon Theory | EP 50

[@FoundationPodcasts]

0:01 Show Preview 2:20 Natalie Ryan Settlement 20:45 PDGA Acquires StatMando 36:20 Player Movement / Rumors 58:40 Wild Story of the Week 1:01:20 2024 DGPT All-Star Weekend 1:15:45 24 Hour Livestream 1:23:00 Disc Golf On The Simpsons 1:24:25 Listener Questions 2:17:19 Housekeeping

[@doreenstewart1478]

I think Aaron got it wrong when he commented on Simon’s reaction to Eagle going to mvp potentially. I don’t think he was trying to leave Eagle. They’re besties. Friend groups often end up at the same sponsor. I’m sure Simon talked with Eagle many times as Eagle decided just as Eagle was there for Simon last year.

[@johnjustice2978]

Goose, I just want to say how much I appreciate your thoughtful comments on the FPO division. I already had a ton of respect for you but damn you’ve jumped to a new level of respect. Hats off to everyone for this conversation and the care it was given.

[@MannyValdes]

Aaron Gossage has a future in disc golf -beyond playing professionally. Articulate, calculated, and informative takes. I think whether he taps into the podcast landscape or the commentary arena, it’ll be a win for disc golf media. I’m a big fan of Goose, so I may be a little biased.

[@trevormarcotte1525]

You guys need to have Goose on more often! Dude knows his shit and has a very good perspective imo

[@ronjones-6977]

One of the most analytic disc golfers I've ever heard talk about the game... and I've heard a lot of 'em. Goose has the 'stache of knowledge.

[@johnjenkins9445]

i love the Goose! so well spoken!

[@ronjones-6977]

@@johnjenkins9445 Last time I called someone "well-spoken," I got called racist.

[@mattbroughton750]

Aaron Gossage, you're a stand up guy. Good on you.

[@EvanLudesWeatherNatureVideo]

Refreshing to hear Goose's take on the FPO situation. It's hard to talk about sensitive topics with tact, but he nailed it. Focus on what moves the conversation forward and being respectful.

[@JumboJabs]

Missed our beloved Uli but having Ezra and Goose on was fantastic! Thanks for the content, always a good listen. Happy New Year to you fellas!

[@aaronmeyer9431]

Really appreciated having some fresh perspectives on this podcast from Goose and Ezra. The more guests and diverse opinions you can get on the show the better. Keep up the good work!

[@freestylfilms]

WOMEN SPORTS ARE NOT FOR FAILED MALE ATHLETES. Period

[@looksee8192]

Also, bring back Ezra and Goose. The 4 of yall would be a killer rotation

[@jonathanmeinholz3249]

Have All-Star at end (late November to mid December). Have a Team Premiere tournament where the All-Star is now. Each brand put forth 4-6 players to team score. It gives brands a chance to get their new players in front of the media and possibly get new discs/brands out there.

[@Radwynfinite]

I really enjoyed this trio! More goose and Ezra!

[@JonTeigesser]

I'm excited for another full season of practice rounds with y'all, some of my favorite content during the 2023 season. I am in Toronto so it was a treat seeing y'all play the island.

[@morticianjohn]

Love the 24 hour livestream talk. I played league before and can relate to that. I recall seeing a video where Mike Sale did 24 hours disc golfing.

[@macdietz]

On a course these guys could throw in literally 3 shots.

[@Philip.Eriksson]

Brodie, at 1:35:10 The way new players can get massive contracts immediately is basically trough’s youtube and social media, instead of coming from college/lower divisions. Because at the moment disc golf contracts arestill more about your following and if you’re sellable than your actual performance. They often go hand in hand though.

[@patrickmertz3218]

Ezra you ripping yourself about the ice cream at the end had me dieing lmao you the man!!!

[@jaxonreid13]

We need a mid tournament air bnb podcast!

[@discgolfcrew702]

All Star event should equivalent to the Pro Bowl. Have it at the end of the year in Las Vegas, we have the infrastructure and the support to make it a great event. Not to mention people love coming to Las Vegas!

[@tymonjames8577]

Good show and great guest hosts!

[@Ziggy-md5ok]

Ok. I had no idea Aaron was this intellectual and articulate

[@hillsdalemc]

Put Gossage in the rotation.

[@Modular70-kr8lh]

Dude Goose is like some brilliant disc golf savant. #needmoregoose

[@Footfaultguy]

Ezra might be wrong, I think the Pro-tour will separate from the PDGA sooner rather than later

[@bendoyle9374]

This is not this hard guys and I think you believe it but are afraid to say it…… it is this …… if you were born a female then you play in the FPO or the MPO. If you were born a male you play in the MPO. That’s it

[@sandrameszaros9769]

Erza = Calvin Klein ad :) Love the takes, subscribed!

[@joehuntsinger1994]

Awesome show!

[@SquidNugget-lm1ip]

Okay Brodie we need this poker livestream now I would totally watch but we need a bunch of touring pros to join in and do it

[@Footfaultguy]

We live in such a clown society when we have to specify “biological women”

[@ViJt-oq5nq]

I guess the FPO players can take solace in that they don't have to deal with a locker room.

[@jamesyantis9334]

Disc golf is just a tiny example. Also freedom of speech now means as long as it doesnt offend anyone

[@johnjenkins9445]

once we gps tag the discs, tees, and holes, stats will become much easier :)

[@saholmes12]

They should just give a marker to each player with a GPS in it and it would be pretty easy for them to have the UDisc scorer get the exact position.

[@StwongDave]

Hanna's last name (Huynh) is pronounced like hoo-wing or hoo-win but as 1 syllable.

[@Winton-fam]

Having a kid where this carrot scenario has actually happened I need to weigh in. You can trick some kids (mine) into thinking carrots are a treat if you call them something else haha..at least for a month or so

[@cooljc72]

I hope that Ezra's mom knows he stole her sunglasses.

[@MrDong101]

And her appointment at the salon.

[@redice6879]

1:43:15 grip locking is real, ur crazy for this take. If I grip the disc too hard, then it will eject from my hand later… griplock

[@Universal-Jack]

Just returning to follow up with the people I was talking with before about what Gosage was saying. 11:00 .. somewhere in there. I did mis hear it. Gosage was actually saying that they are seperate issues. And further more even addressed that when they are put together is when people often began to get ugly. It unfortunately is a single issue. You cant separate them in sports. And, thats why its such a polar issue. Most decent people arent trying to upset trans athletes or allies, but rather address things from a logical standpoint so that the field is fair. Which is where feelings get hurt.

[@iAmAzwell]

For a 24 hour stream I'd probably do all (or mostly) VR content. Most of it would be playing Disc Golf Valley VR. By FAR the best VR disc golf game available.

[@atpete07]

HOT TAKE: Kona did more damage to FPO future earnings with her contract than anything Natalie Ryan could ever dream of…. The proof is apparent this offseason, no manufacturer wants to repeat ‘the Kona mistake’

[@Footfaultguy]

Brodie - Toyota, Lexus, Scion. Conrad, Simon, Eagle Boom!

[@FoundationPodcasts]

hmm!!!

[@Theweekiwachie]

That's the thing, goose, Natalie is not a woman. Ryan can play mpo

[@Footfaultguy]

The boys!!!!

[@mikeduerr9618]

Ezra looking like he’s ready to try out for a Top Gun movie.

[@JohnSmith-zx1bg]

Aaron looks real bad here, on the bright side he'd make great politician.

[@joelwiebe1868]

To be a fly in the wall with these guys during the season would be rich. This kind of debate and discussion is what I love. You should see me and my five brothers on holidays when we are all together.

[@KGDiscGolf]

Goose plays league???? Let's go!! I wonder if I've ran into you on the rift

[@danday9697]

If the fpo is serious about not wanting this to happen. They should all band together, and go play in europe for the year. Kristin is the nost popular fpo player right now. If her along with others just play in Europe only. It will force pdga hand

[@joecerone]

to what end? The pdga literally cannot fight this fight.

[@ScratchDiscgolf]

Not under the current leadership.

[@danday9697]

@joecerone to the end that fpo Europe becomes the dominant fpo place if needed. They could have worked around the states that said nathan can play. Especially with the overwhelming support from a lot of the top fpo players. So now they bent the knee. Once you bend the knee, it is quite difficult to stand back up. Nothing will ever change unless women take a stand. They tried to make both sides happy with allowing him to play a tiers. It backfired in their face

[@joecerone]

@@danday9697 brother, the courts arent going to care one iota about how many american fpo players are in europe.

[@danday9697]

@joecerone no. They won't care. The pdga will care though. It is only a few states that threw a fit. Just take fpo events out of those few states

[@ryry562000]

One comment about Eagle leaving discmania, didn’t they just put out a video about a reinvented PD2. I didn’t watch the video but if he was leaving in a couple days then why would they put that out.

[@badazz02220]

I was thinking the same thing

[@fabiantovar1651]

Also my thought on this was didn’t Simon drop the mind bender right before going to mvp?

[@ryry562000]

@@fabiantovar1651 I dont remember, im still not sure hes going anywhere and people are going to be surprised where players sign

[@rylansnider330]

1:39:40 how come I get snap sometimes and not others then??

[@christopherdavis826]

Westsides best move ::::: Signing up Mattto and getting rid of Nikko

[@MichaelPruden-vg8nm]

Oh… Ezra… that’s a look…

[@BenNarNar44]

I think UDisc needs to make it more social. So I can see my friends rounds. I don’t care if they have an option to make a round private but I would like to see my friends rounds. Otherwise what’s the point of having friends on the ap

[@jamesyantis9334]

Imagine people arguing about who gets to sit where on a boat and the whole bleeping boat is about to go over Niagara Falls!

[@hutch4993]

It's sad when an organization has to make a concession because of the potential of being bankrupted by our judicial system in an effort to fight what is fair.

[@ScratchDiscgolf]

It's pure mismanagement.

[@dennis3224]

Them allowing Natalie to compete in FPO is criminal. I’m now fully rooting for Natalie just so everybody can see how absurd this is. Especially when they started it off with “fairness”

[@ronjones-6977]

Until the courts get real, there's not much that can be done.

[@zachocracy]

It wouldn't do anything if Ryan won every tourney. A current PDGA board member, Laura Nagtegaal, won a 2019 FPO Worlds tourney by 21 strokes. The PDGA capitulates to this like many businesses have.

[@JacobPorterLadder]

I mean, it's litterally not criminal because the laws currently allow her to play in FPO, thus why they had to drop it. You can disagree, but technically not criminal

[@dennis3224]

@@JacobPorterLadder it’s a saying smart aleck

[@TheBotchJob]

Screenshot your donations to the PDGA and Pro Tour, so their lawyers can operate pro bono so we can see how absurd it really is 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Cspeck10]

Hunter had the funny take on using carrots as a reward not Ezra lol 😂

[@Eaglemadhatter]

On The hate thing, most people don't like their beliefs questioned. Wether it's something small or huge. Like if I question someone's motives they can keep very upset with me. Or pointing out where someone is wrong can trigger a defense mechanism and they see you as hateful. I do it myself. I think we all do. We just have to seperate facts and feelings. That's where it's tricky.

[@marvelfandom2000]

Brodie misspoke on something - the DGPT never had plans to cancel FPO altogether. Just a rumor, and he phrased it like they were legit about to do that lol.

[@ScratchDiscgolf]

He might know more about it than you do.

[@marvelfandom2000]

@@ScratchDiscgolf and I might know more than he does 😉 I wouldn’t have commented blindly, and with that attitude, enjoy believing everything he says 🤘🏼

[@ScratchDiscgolf]

@@marvelfandom2000 thanks, rando

[@tavismckay7034]

Time lapse is axiom

[@mattramsey4137]

Well obviously Tristian is going to Discraft….

[@scottpoynor8216]

Well put Brodie .

[@1980chardison]

How can an organization like the disc golf, pro tour and others just bow down to one person that throws a fit because they can’t get their way and they want to cheat to win you either play in the division that you started in as a man or a womanor you don’t fucking play it all every business in someway shape or form has the ability to not provide service to somebody. This is the same situation. You are not allowed to come here and play.

[@ScratchDiscgolf]

Mismanagement.

[@micahcavender6073]

The goose plays LOL! What about TFT?

[@Footfaultguy]

Holy shit…: I just creamed my pants seeing Ezra 😂😂😂

[@samuelmurphy9396]

Brodie is over his head in most social topics, I appreciate the way Aaron talks about the situation, Ezra just looks like a joke

[@ScratchDiscgolf]

The DGPT and PDGA have made the wrong call back-pedaling on fairness in Female divisions. FPO should be split off at the tour level and only exist in states that would not entertain these lawsuits.

[@joecasagranda8587]

It would be great if a high profile DG entity like yours could start a fund supported by donations from the community and pay FPO players who finish beneath N.R. whatever amount they would've earned had she not played. Cannot replace a title if she wins but strictly make the female players "whole" for any lost cash due to N.R. playing in FPO. I would donate to that cause

[@christopherdavis826]

There is a Facebook group that does this throughout the year

[@joecasagranda8587]

​@@christopherdavis826page name?

[@JacobPorterLadder]

Man, Id love to play some LoL with Goose

[@scottpoynor8216]

breach of contract if spoke before contract is up. Lawsuit?

[@looksee8192]

Stop using the words conspiracy theory when you are just talking about a theory

[@landonwebb886]

Somebody send Uli a router upgrade 😂

[@bradwurst8141]

I can't imagine how frustrating it must be for Aaron to attempt to have a deeper conversation about respecting others, and then Ezra & Brodie, lockstep, drop "while true, she can still play MPO" LOL. Tone deaf

[@leastselfawarepotassium]

Yeah Brodie doesn’t listen to what the person is saying sometimes cause he’s already got his spiel ready. The MPO argument is a massive red herring.

[@Greldek]

Having the All Star Tournament at the beginning of next year instead of end of that year is very weird, sponsor companies probably want their stars to shine in an all star event before the chance of sponsorship deals changing happens. Imagine for example KT's grand slam year, Lat64 for sure wants her representing her out there on all star weekend, waiting till the first tourney of the next year, (not that it's happening) but could potentially have her throwing under a new company at that event. I just used KT and her season as an example, I know her contract isn't up and she isn't changing companies.

[@ADamItalian1173]

The problem at the end of the year are players are burnt out and tired. Being at the beginning of the year is a showcase of the upcoming talent.

[@bmax119]

End of year all star combined with year end awards banquet. Make it one big event kinda like Oscars. Stupid to wait 2 months for awards to be handed out.

[@natekeeley1706]

I hope the balloons and this show are around for a long time. The balloons add an incredible amount of value.

[@justindg21]

Ezra are you in LA was good.

[@birdinflight3861]

I don’t agree with Aaron that two different 100 ft shots should be classified differently based on the mechanics of your release. A 150 ft putt is a throw in

[@STOW91]

Can we get more goose?

[@Footfaultguy]

Brodie it was mentioned by Catrina on this podcast that Prodigy censored her opinion on trans issues.

[@FoundationPodcasts]

That's not the tour though

[@Eaglemadhatter]

Plenty of free lawyers looking for a payday versus lawyers working pro Bono the other way. I imagine the pdga legal pockets are nearly deep enough and it would destroy the business.

[@michaeldelabar4209]

I love DG, shame I can't support or watch FPO any longer...hey PDGA, You blew it

[@JacobPorterLadder]

They didn't blow anything, their hands are tied. It's going bankrupt to make you happy or keep it as the largest international sports body has it.

[@AD-nm4yw]

⁠@@JacobPorterLadderBending a knee to the lunacy that is this push in society to erase women’s sports for the “inclusion” of 1 or two delusional ppl who want to cheat, and also shitting on all the real women in FPO by letting a man play in their division in the name of financial preservation is indeed the definition of “blowing it”. These decisions to bow to the will of the woke culture and turn a blind eye to science and biology hurts all people ( in disc golf or not) in the long run.

[@larryshort5414]

Uli wasn't touching this topic with a 10-foot Pole😅

[@katielrobison]

Hope the real women in the FPO stand together and fight this. Women already had to fight to compete in sport as women. Now we have to fight to compete only against women, not men playing as women. I have to disagree with Aaron, I do not believe the PDGA is acting in the best interest of its members. I think it’s acting in favor of male members as well as the collective’s need to virtue signal and appear as thought they’re one of the “good guys” acting “inclusively”…. Also, it’s easy for a man to say that he accepts and trusts this decision from the PDGA because the decision does not affect him negatively. I bet if it did, a man would have some things to say about it.

[@yolobutton2451]

Keep it old school. When you are born you are classified male or female. Thats what you are end of story. No feelings to hurt no BS. It’s no different than saying I wasn’t born a billionaire and I want to be a billionaire now it’s everyone’s job to respect that and make me a billionaire. 😂

[@epheezee313]

Kind of a weird thing to have players potentially playing in an All-Star event under a different manufacturer.

[@abeezy]

Kratos is going to be a beaded Luna

[@denniscomeau5190]

Create a new governing body similar to "liv" , Make divisions based on everyones max distance flat ground and name them silver, gold and platinum.

[@scottpoynor8216]

No hate here . All about fair play . Their decision is a nice sock in the face for FPO division. That's the only victim .

[@frederickcarlisle3295]

Y'all are dropping the ball this is BS. I will not renew my PDGA membership ever again I will not attend a professional match that has that boy playing with the girls. Oh, shut up Brody they need to stand behind the girls that represent the sport for them.

[@scottpoynor8216]

EZRA had a rough night

[@michaelrider9067]

God bless Aaron and his reasonable takes. I love this podcast, but the perspective can be very single note. I think Brodie and team need to have their perspectives challenged more. If you enforce a rule that you cant afford to defend or have challenged, then its not a good rule. The early ruling on this was a bad business and org decision. I seen way too many people saying things like, "the richer party always wins, she had free counsel." What does that say about public opinion on this issue? Where was the crowdfunding to support the PDGAs legal costs, where are the lawyers who are willing to represent the PDGAs position pro bono?

[@markdennyritner7851]

The mistakes that were made and continue to be made are tactical. What did they think would happen fighting in California or in Minnesota where the Powerlifting folks had already lost? Incompetent management.

[@haunguyen2001]

Hyuyen is when or win or winning🎉😂

[@Tisen90]

The stupid “carrot = dessert” theory was from Hunter, not Ezra.

[@tillman40]

Ezra spelled backwards = CI.A

[@jamesyantis9334]

HELLO! As long as absolutes and right and wrong are cosidered hateful and judgemental, everything will collapse, everything.

[@stevekuzenski1651]

wow, you all never heard of the pdga world Doubles championships?? you spend 10 minutes talking about wishing something would happen that has been an annual event for decades, and it crowns a world champion. they have several divisions even, mixed, pro, masters etc

[@stevehill5018]

Ezra get a shiner in a tussle with his brother?

[@scottpoynor8216]

Have a separate tour for the women .

[@ryry562000]

If a man playing in women’s sports had no advantage then why in the world is it not happening the other way around. I think this is going to be bad for the PDGA and disc golf in general. The PDGA thinks it doesn’t have enough money now, just wait and see how many people don’t renew their membership and how much money they lose. They will fold by 2025 and be bud lighted.

[@MrDarkstarpro]

How about making a new class ruled by laws dedicated to %100 biological and leave fpo as is and then IT will be alone while %100 biological class with (xx) chromosomes and nata”lie” ryan will be in fpo playing with “its” self

[@ScottSmith-vc5vf]

Why does Natalie want to rain on the FPO parade? It’s tragic.

[@ViJt-oq5nq]

Can't cash in MPO, needs to play FPO where they literally play shorter holes because physical biological differences are real.

[@ToddsDiscGolf]

I definitely don’t hate Natalie Ryan. I hope he gets the help he needs and has a very happy and fulfilling life and ends up in heaven for eternity 👍

[@ronjones-6977]

Amen.

[@CoffeeonKorriban]

Amen. We should definitely be praying for him.

[@zachocracy]

It's no different than a healthcare worker dealing with a patient experiencing some sort of delusions whether hallucination, schizophrenia, or otherwise. It's disorder as listed within DSM, and should be treated as such. Showing empathy towards the feelings/qualia is one thing, but applauding/confriming the delusions and putting them on a pedestal is the literal opposite of healthcare protocol... as it can be used by the patient as evidence that the delusions are true/real which further delves into a subjective/hypnotic fantasy further out of reach of objective reality. Imagine a patient experiencing schizophrenia is constantly bombarded with affirmations like "the government is out to get you" "they are watching you right now and waiting" "that car that just drove by was here 5 mins ago just like you said" and they are probably going to never recover, if they don't take themselves out to lunch...

[@mattbroughton750]

Fuck up.

[@subspaceanomaly]

​@@zachocracyread up on what the transgender condition actually is, it was removed from being classified as a mental condition, and evidence is emerging that brains are gendered, and in this case not matching the body. If you woke up with the body of the opposite sex to you, other people might find you delusional but you wouldn't. It's such a complicated issue, simplifying it and being disrespectful and lacking compassion is a very bad thing. I know trans people, it's not an easy thing to deal with. It's separate from the sports arguments