FOX event presentation - Fox Factory Truck Part 1

[@Texasbroski512]

After that uhmpilation you’ll probably not be invited back😂😂 amazing video Greta content as always

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

🤣🤣 being honest has its cost. Overall I really liked the truck. But it’s got its issues because of the crazy cost and I had to share. I’ll be doing an update video on their response to what we saw here soon.

[@Texasbroski512]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad agreed man it’s definitely better suspension than a stock TRX and raptor but the only way I’ll have one is if I win that Cameron Haynes giveaway

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Same here. I would love to have one or even build one and do it right. Because that engine setup is wild and way more peppy than any Ford setup. But I need to win the lottery or a giveaway as well.

[@Rommer2258]

For 210k, you'd expect something more than a Baja kits bolt on kit and a rear coilover that doesn't have the spring 1/2 way down the body. The travel numbers are comparable to a 35" tire gen 3, which is a good baseline. Overall, if you have 210k before tax burning a hole in your investment account and you want one of 500 trucks, then it's a good buy. For anyone else, take any platform to a fabricator and get a solid 4wd cadged truck for that money.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Good eye on the shocks. I agree man. The price is crazy high just in the name of exclusivity. For the same money you can have HM build you a fully caged prerunner

[@enjoytheridedude]

I like the shock technology with the phone app etc… that’s pretty cool.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Agree. Over the air updates is great and trail mapping features looked cool.

[@lukereeder3566]

I liked your questions. With the new compression and rebound Fix shocks on the 2024 37 package trucks those new 3.2 could be very interesting. Then add in what is basically a EClick then your talking almost a mid travel level.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Yeah. This thing takes it a step further with the position sensor on the shocks. Imagine with SDI could do with this system. Because the Fox guys figured out forward stability. But their side stability still needs some work

[@1FiftyOverland]

Raptor R. Is all I have to say.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

🤣🤣 that is the benchmark.

[@twotentimestwo]

Almost....

[@goldcartridgegamer]

Just from this video I have ideas, thoughts about the future of off road suspension, etc. Will wait for video 2 but I'm excited for the future as I prepare my gen 1 for gen 2 live valves and SDI system.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

We are on the same page there. There is a ton of potential here and it’s a new level of customization than can be done on our driveways. So excited for what this can turn into.

[@ConcreteButcher]

I don’t know. A lot of hate in the comments but buying a 65/75k truck then buying 40k in parts(glass, bumpers, live valve fox shocks, billet links, bumps, slappers arms, LCA and UCA, gusseted/ double sheared, cross over brace, supercharger, electronics, lights) then having all the labor, paint, shock tuning, engine tuning all done for you. And looks factory no gaps, no empty spaces. Might not be $200k but it’s not far off. Just finance and go have fun. I like it. I wish I was part of that middle class to afford it.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

There is a lot to like here. The main thing that sucks is the price. I think this is a $120-140k build max with everything at low production numbers like they are doing here. And it’s basically on par with a Raptor R, BUT with a peppier engine. That 6.2 is awesome and power on demand was crazy. But the biggest thing I hated, was nothing that Fox did. Build quality of the GM truck is nowhere near as good as Ford. The door rattling on the ride along was crazy and very loud.

[@Freakinfeeney]

The only thing I took away that is actually beneficial is the sealed joints so no greasing (dirt/mud state). Idk if they perform to the same standard as far as articulation and durability. But I actually appreciate it.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Brenthal brothers did say they tested quite a few to make sure they had the same flexibility as your typical heim joint in that same situation.

[@Freakinfeeney]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad I saw that. It makes me hopeful for innovation of parts across all platforms.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Agreed. Heim joints are great but they wear quick and have a short lifespan. A sealed ball joint with the same flexibility would last much longer

[@Freakinfeeney]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad exactly. I want that concept for all of our trucks. Less maintenance means more play and more money for upgrades

[@automotiveandmore]

Please tell me there will be a version of this with the LZ0 Duramax!

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

I think you can pick whatever base truck you want. As long as it’s a 1500. Can you get the Duramax? In the 1500?

[@automotiveandmore]

@KeepItDirtyOffRoad yeah you can get the LZ0 3.0L Duramax in 1500 GM trucks. I have the older LM2 on my 21 AT4, and it's an amazing engine offroad with an amazing range per tank and a ton of torque. Don't plan on going back to a V8 gasser as long as this is an option.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Really? Going to have to try it out. Diesel engines aren’t known for their pep. How’s the power band? Do you really need to get on it to get it going? Or is it peppy like the 6.2?

[@automotiveandmore]

@KeepItDirtyOffRoad you should really check one out. It doesn't rev as high as the 6.2 so it feels different. It can do the same at lower RPM and the 10 speed does magic with that engine. The turbo diesel has a lil bit more get up and go than the 6.2 at lower RPM but the 6.2 feels more responsive at higher RPM. Now with tuning and even larger turbo, there is no question that the little Duramax blows the 6.2L out of the water. I do some of the high speed dirt roads here and my truck cruises so effortlessly compared to a gas engine at the same speed where it feels like it's screaming all the time. It is a very different driving experience.

[@automotiveandmore]

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[@SoCalPrerunning]

Interesting their incorporation of a steering damper on an IFS platform. Their solution to bump steer from a suspension geometry that couldn’t be optimized without cutting into profit margins?

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

They way they explained it was the steering rack is not optimized for offroad use like the raptor one is. Being eletronic, they tried to adjust its programming to better deal with offroad feedback and they bricked the whole system. They said so on the video. We will talk about the steering in the next video. Because IMO it still needs some work and the slow ok footage shows it

[@FarnsworthChannel]

When do we get part 2?

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Just finished editing it. Much longer video since we had a lot to cover and it took me a while to edit it so it’s not a boring ass video of 2 talking heads. Will drop this Sunday

[@RockyNikita]

After two Raptors (2014/2017) and 22' TRX (paid $81k/factory ordered/price locked in Fall 21' (MSRP was $93,400) had to imagine the "Value" without any Manufacturer 'lineage'/years of history in this niche segment (like the 40% stronger frame on the TRX vs. REBEL). For example if Ford (or hopefully RAM revitalizing the TRX namesake) built a true HALO low production vehicle ($150k-ish).

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Totally agree. I get where they are going with it. Make it exclusive and make maximum profit for a short run because scaling production is very hard. I just wish GM actually built something like it at a reasonable price.

[@TheDeepsilver]

For $200k you are talking about fully caged pre-runner with stock engine...not sure I see the value here

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Agreed. Price is its major drawback.

[@rossomeness3549]

It’s a regular warrantied vehicle that can still get after it….

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

True, but so is the Raptor at half the cost 🤷‍♂️.

[@twotentimestwo]

Wheres the full cage?

[@majestic1260]

Just curious have you looked the offroad truck that Factory Five Racing has for sale that the customer builds .

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

I have. Definitely some good there. But a lot of drawbacks plus a ton of time to build it. It’s not someone can do in their garage. Would love to see one on the trails too. What little footage there is on dirt is not impressive

[@aaronluis11]

does it come with an extended range gas tank or is it stock?

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Stock gas tank unfortunately.

[@Antho-R22]

So Fox bought Baja Kits from Brenthel and now they built a few trucks with fully bolt on kits. These are a rolling advertisement for the Kits Baja Kits/Fox will have out for the Silverado. Why else would they try and make a fully bolt on kit seem better than welding/custom framing? Just my guess.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Yeah. I think that’s the goal. But they probably won’t release the kits until after the first 500 are sold out

[@gopaulsalick507]

Raptor R all day everyday.. for over 200k you can build an actual pre runner

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Agreed

[@Mursedave]

It’s crazy that this is the real only OEM type truck for GM fans. Just buy a Gen1 Raptor and build it or buy a TRX or Raptor R and you’ll be extremely happy. This just seems so extra.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Yeah it does suck. Because the only true off-roader from GM is the Colorado ZR2 bison. But the current gen only has a Turbo4. I wish this was more affordable or that they release all of these components as a kit so that we can build these in our driveways. Everything is bolt on so no reason why we could not build this

[@1st_Gen_Life]

It’s a good looking truck but for the price you can get HM to build you a crazy truck that’s more capable. But at the end of the day I still think ford is miles ahead of the game compared to everyone else.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Totally agree. This team here basically got tired of waiting for GM to make one and they made their own. But GM and Mopar still have a long way to go, to match the raptor.

[@1st_Gen_Life]

I honestly think this is going to be more of a collector truck than a real truck that’s going to be going off-road

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

I think you may be right.

[@merkubuilt]

Considering all suspension is Baja kits, I bet half shock valving is from Baja kits too lol, where is 200k value? 14-15" on wide body prerunner is basic. This is crazy, you can build this suspension, real readon to get it for under 70k with buying truck. You build caged prerunner for 130sh

[@enjoytheridedude]

It’s only 40k more than a raptor R with markup…what’s 40k nowadays after inflation 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Only thing I’m mad at is Baja Kits lol 😂 Dirt king has a crazy rear suspension setup for the chevy’s right now…and it’s got air lockers :( it’s a lot of aftermarket based parts. Chevy needs to make a true OE version of this for 100k cheaper and that might be what they do at some point ?

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Rs are going for $140-150k so this is $60k more. But agree that we need GM to actually make an OEM truck to match the Raptor. But I don’t think they will. Their lame attempt was the Silverado ZR2 and that’s it. The Colorado ZR2 business is probably the closest GM will get

[@enjoytheridedude]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad 140 isn’t too bad…last one I saw for sale was a 2024 brand new for 157k with an MSRP of 112k maybe I need to look harder …

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

You can get them down to 30k markup is you look and negotiate. Some guys getting as low as $5k over, but they are waiting. Year or more to get it

[@enjoytheridedude]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad I don’t mind waiting but the dealers all give me the runaround saying they don’t have allocations lol 😂 but when I’m serious I need to see if I can get the price down to 130k or less cause I need that V8 if I’m gonna do it…

[@BadV2]

For that price, meh. But, maybe this will be the start for Chevy to make a real Raptor, TRX competitor from the factory. Would be cool.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

That would be cool.

[@adamg3911]

You would think for $200k+ that they would upgrade the rear carrier with a Dana 80 and a built L8T motor, LMAO.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

🤣🤣 there is a lot that can de done for the price. Even more when you find out the vast truck is an RST.

[@Angel-s5j2d]

A used 1st gen tacoma with a URD kit $7k and decent suspension $20k would spank this lol and it would identify as a build like this chevy 😂

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

The only way a Tacoma would be better than this is if it’s LS swapped period. There isn’t a scenario where that V6 is making anywhere near 700hp. And yes, you could fully link and LS swap a Tacoma for less.

[@Angel-s5j2d]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad ls3 with a Magnum or Whipple and sas or 5.0 from HRD

[@twotentimestwo]

Ok..now throw some bilsteins on that thing and close the book

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

🤣🤣 for these kind of builds most would say throw on some kings.

[@twotentimestwo]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad very true.. but some guys would rather just go with the best product from the start 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Huh? For full size trucks Fox and Kings are at the top. No one runs bilsteins on them. Even fewer race teams do on trophy trucks. Winning trucks are still Fox and king.

[@twotentimestwo]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad right.. i get that most people run king or fox. Exactly what makes you think they're a downgrade? Kings are pretty great when properly tuned. We run king on the racecar.. maybe you haven't experienced bilstein 8112's or m9200's, but they're a touch above. Even in a tacoma you'd need to run a bypass, coilover, bumpstops and limit straps to do what a single 8112 can do. I do however run fox oil in all my shocks

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

I admittedly don’t know much about the blistein product lines so I looked them both up. I don’t see anything better here than what Fox or King offers. If anything I see less from bilstein. The shocks you showed are comparable with the factory race lines for oem trucks from both companies. Limited tunability and rely heavily on a good base tune for the truck. Fox and kind have way more options with a ton more features. Fox has live valves, king has integrated IFPs. So many more options from both to improve the ride and performance of these trucks. One thing stuck out to me in your comment though. You mentioned a Tacoma. A much lighter platform that is very, very underpowered. Normally used for rocks and overlanding. Seldomly used for fast off-roading. It’s completely different worlds and you will find very few running Bilstiens with high speed off-roading full size rigs for a reason.

[@MiniMe6175]

Too much use of the word "proprietary" in this presentation for me......

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Just means they made a lot of it in house. Specially since Baja kits is part of Fox now

[@RevolutionMuscle]

Awesome truck, but it will be a toy for rich guys, normal people cant afford this.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Yeah. Unfortunately they will just sit in rich guys collections

[@enjoytheridedude]

lol…everything is bolt on no welding..aka buy a basic 4x4 Chevy Silverado for 60k and order this kit for 20k max and save over 120k at least lol 😂

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

That’s my thought exactly. Though it would be more than that in parts I think.

[@carlsing1190]

These are literally just a rich dude who doesn’t want to mess with paying someone to build him something and make his own decisions on how to build it, truck. The presentation is putting me to sleep 7 minutes into this video. Lol.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

One of the goals for the project was full warranty support anywhere there is a GM dealer. So even though they keep calling it a bespoke build, you are right. Everything is already figured out. To the guys that can afford that may be a good thing. Not sure. But the deep pockets there with us seemed to be impressed. I was a little perplexed.

[@Jeff-sh4kx]

Hard pass.

[@luissantander6097]

There is only one word that describes this truck. GARBAGE.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

🤣🤣 that’s pretty harsh. But I think the price is what’s makes it garbage. If it was more reasonably priced, OR the parts were offered as kits to install in our driveways, the opinion would be different.

[@alexmar1382]

Blah ,blah, blah... end of the day. $210K is not a practical price range regardless. There's probably less than 0.01% that's probably interested. Even if someone had the money for it; they would be better off taking a stock Raptor R or TRX and upgrading the shock system and making it lighter. Otherwise, this project is dead and irrelevant.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Very true. A stock 2024 Raptor R would outperform this with no mods.