Jennifer Crumbley trial: Gun store manager testifies

Cammy Beck, the firearms store manager who sold James Crumbley the gun, recalled the day James Crumbley and his son, the shooter, came into the store.
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[@SherryN-bi3yz]

If I am hearing this right, that is $1000 in guns. If that money had been spent on psychiatric help for the son, then it would have at least covered a few visits. It was enough money to get him diagnosed and some medication. Never mind the money that they spent on their horses.

[@sheilalindauer248]

She selfishly just bought health insurance for herself

[@AidaShawJ.D.]

We wouldn’t be here! Absolutely! Their priorities were completely out of touch! She was busy having an affair and called him a “oopsie” baby (a mistake basically)!

[@CKing-388]

The stupid horses. 🙄 as if the parents didn’t notice they were paying more attention to their silly horses than to their own kid. 🙄

[@db3467]

She spent 20k on hay and boarding two horses

[@SherryN-bi3yz]

@@db3467 That would have paid for roughly 18 months of psychiatric visit at 1 visit per week.

[@nameisprivate5429]

They bought a mentally ill child a gun….ignored his mental illness and went about living their own life with little concern for the kid. He does the unthinkable…..in this case I 100% believe holding these parents responsible is paramount for setting an example. You HAVE to raise ur children….be present and aware.

[@TheCatBilbo]

Yes, they're the enablers here 100% - the teenager couldn't get them (unless illegally). They should have spent the money on some mental health treatment.

[@TheMostHighDaughter180]

I 100% agree!!!!

[@mare8371]

These parents were too busy being self centered & only concerned about themselves.

[@margaretkaine3001]

You want the gov deciding if you parented up to their standards? Hindsight is 20/20. U want to be in jail if you have your kid a car and they drank and drove and killed someone? U want to be in jail if your kid swipes a knife out of a knife block and stabs someone? The answer for me is a RESOUNDING NO

[@kimpatterson7171]

100% correct..Parents are on notice. If you want children, you have to parent them.

[@pcbrightlights]

The father was acting unlawfully when he pretended the gun was for himself when, in reality, he was purchasing it for his son.

[@brooklynbradley]

So what, He's not Hunter Biden so it's ok for him.

[@monicapaluski2512]

This happens all the time. We need to keep track of guns and ammo like we do decongestants and also limit the number of guns and ammo they can buy. People lie on these permit applications more than we know.

[@lisapriebe8796]

And his wife knew who it was boughtfor!

[@lisapriebe8796]

This is how the teens get the guns!

[@AidaShawJ.D.]

Bingo! That’s why the parents are being prosecuted and not the school! The school was a victim of these two knuckleheads!

[@bobe3250]

This is just the ground work. The mom knew the dad was buying the gun for her kid. I really hope the prosecutor is successful. We should hold parents accountable for buying guns for kids especially if the kid turns out to be a mass murderer

[@cjbellamy4157]

Yes yes yes yes yes But some parents are Dumb and don't think very wise

[@Inbetweenthelinesnow]

⁠@@cjbellamy4157And again being deaf and dumb? Is not a valid excuse!🤦‍♀️

[@nancykelsey1661]

We’ve already determined that both parents are dumber than a pile of 💩.

[@nancykelsey1661]

We’ve already determined that both parents are dumber than a pile of 💩.

[@nancykelsey1661]

We’ve already determined that both parents are dumber than a pile of 💩.

[@desi4227]

This lawyer talking makes my head hurt. She speaks as if no one around her is smart. She is talking down to everyone. All the time. It’s wacky.

[@itsonlyatail]

I was thinking, she looks scared to death up there…I could watch when she was twisting all the facts… which is probably scared, when someone is not being truthful or trying to deceive…that’s what the body language looks like

[@fxsrider]

It has to be dumbed down so people involved up the line like an appeals court that might have underperforming minds on the bench can get it spelled out like ABC. It is required to make it as thorough as possible.

[@cee073]

@fxsrider Awww. That's super cute and full of shit.

[@jonnsmusich]

She's not talking down to anyone. She has a clear job which is to make a record that exonerates her client. She's doing fine. Defense lawyers almost always have a really tough job defending someone who is presumed not guilty unless proven otherwise. And this defendant looks as guilty as can be. Good lawyer.

[@desi4227]

@jonnsmusich- Don’t be ridiculous. She looks and sounds lost. I have never heard anyone say I’m sorry so many times. That is a human trait of self doubt. She is Not a good lawyer and you are not a good liar.

[@VioletJoy]

Sidenote: I had no idea some women were still getting the Kate Gosselin haircut. 😳

[@Hallo-hs3go]

Karens do🙄

[@gilraenn29]

Grow up. Women who have long thin stringy hair is the thing that drives me crazy. Their hair is usually thin and flat and straggly and they still think because it’s long, it looks great. The only hair that looks great long, no matter what age is hair with body, a bit wavy.

[@TheDarstarr]

😂😂😂good point! Terrible look unfortunately

[@abelis644]

​@@gilraenn29 Grow up??? wtf

[@Psychiatricnerd]

All over the Midwest.

[@ZA-co9vj]

When buying a gun for a high school student is not a crime you know the country is broken! 🤬

[@coachmcguirk6297]

It's pretty normal in America to get guns for your kids as young as like 6. They even make small, kid sized guns. It used to be you would get your kids into hunting or skeet shooting or whatever and it made for a good gift/bonding. A lot would drive to school with a rifle on a rack in their pickup truck and it would be no problem. Lots of kids had rifles in their trucks. All of that changed in the 90s with columbine though.

[@jonnydubz8895]

After 5 days of no response from FBI we can just give them the gun 😳 there’s your problem right there!

[@en9878]

Imagine give gov agency deadline so they actually do work and be accountable... Was dong EV rebate with state and it took them 4 months and 5 phone calls to check invoices and approve it. If there is no incentives to make them move faster they will stop working. That's why there is a 5 days policy. If there are issues they could've denied it to be on a safe side, 5 days means that they just lazy to do it on time or dropped a ball or don't care and should be responsible for it. I don't see and issue with that, especially if we constantly have deadlines to pay taxes, to renew registrations, replace expired ID, 5 minutes late for the parking meter etc... and no one gives a crap why you late to do it.

[@PT-Wash]

this lawyer is making me want to scream, why is she talking to people like this?

[@dorishenderson2979]

Crumbley's lawyer is acting like a person who has never before been in a court room. Oh! listen to me trying to do a very hard job for this wonderful woman who should be voted Best Mother of the Year.

[@susankrol8254]

I was thinking that very same thing. If she loses, her client is going to appeal, and claim she did not have an adequate defense attorney. This is very hard and cringey to watch.

[@JodiYodel]

And she is so high pitched and whiny!😫 Not professional. It would benefit her to get voice therapy to bring down her pitch for the courtroom

[@staceybell1429]

Hmmm she must not have read her parent manual we get when we have kids….Kids do things us parents haven’t a clue about…Oh you must be a perfect parent with a perfect kid….Sorry to break your heart but your kid has done things you’ll never know 😮

[@OhCrumbs96]

​@@staceybell1429All I'm getting from this is that you're a rubbish parent.

[@TwiztidPain]

@@susankrol8254 if they lose they appeal anyways

[@Somebody33390]

Anyone else annoyed af with the defense attorney? Her voice, unprofessionalism, and everything about her.

[@chrislechat420]

Yes! Very annoyed. Ugh!

[@Saige08]

Facts!

[@ChadElk88]

This judge has absolutely no balls.

[@HorrorMetalMaestroRedrusty66]

Literally and figuratively

[@PT-Wash]

she a real woman lol they don’t have 🏀

[@briand6671]

You would almost need an inspection these days

[@harrisonhanson2998]

No! She really doesn’t! She needs to watch the Daryl Brooks trial & take a page out of Darrows book!

[@PT-Wash]

@@briand6671true

[@MoralMaze163]

Why didn't the school require them to take him home that morning?

[@dorishenderson2979]

I suspect that the school cannot demand that the parents in fact take him home that moment.

[@MoralMaze163]

@@dorishenderson2979 they could suspend him at that moment

[@dorishenderson2979]

Sadly could the school have thought that he was better in the school than with his parents?@@MoralMaze163

[@vickimooredotco]

I think they tried and the parents said no they weren’t going to pick him up.

[@Breezy-o1w]

I think it was because they're both was working.

[@jenniferanderson7080]

The defense lawyer has the most irritating voice and cadence. The judge mumbles.

[@olive3700]

There's a long chain of responsibility on these things; the people who don't vote for gun control, congressmen and women who don't vote for gun control, the NRA, gun manufacturers, retail stores that sell guns, sales clerks like this woman who sell guns, people who buy the guns, (in this case specifically) the father who bought the gun, the mother who allowed her son to have the gun, and finally, the boy who murdered his classmates with the gun.

[@genacunningham1731]

YEP. YOU SAID IT!!!!

[@jessicafarrish9887]

You nailed it.

[@stephernoodle]

Defense’s argument is ridiculous. Just because she wasn’t present and applying for the gun herself (does anyone buy $200 items jointly as husband and wife lol) doesn’t mean she wasn’t involved and participating in the “gift” to her son

[@stephernoodle]

Also why is she asking a witness who is an office manager if something is legal or not lmao

[@teenice894]

This day and age 200 bucks is peanuts. You can't say she was involved in buying that gun for her kid! I understand everyone mad about what happened but unfortunately the kid would have killed at some point in his life

[@stephernoodle]

@@teenice894 but he wouldn’t have been able to commit this specific crime with this specific weapon if it wasn’t given to him as a gift by his parents who also ignored his pleas for medical attention. That’s the point of this case. At what point does it cross the line from bad parenting to criminal negligence…

[@teenice894]

@@stephernoodle parents?? Facts show it was dad! Not mom... but everyone wants mom to pay too I see. Where is the evidence mom helped buy the gun? I'll wait.......

[@eleanorsvenson2958]

Smith is so emotional and disorganized

[@kaitlinhansen6149]

Did anyone else’s closed captioning not match up?

[@user-jy3zl2vp4b]

unless you think the gun dealer was discussing fireplaces!🤣😂

[@michaeljones1664]

Go in settings and select “English (auto-generated)”

[@briand6671]

Guilty or Innocent can the court get her a competent attorney ? She is only useful as grounds for an appeal

[@katiedotson704]

Public defenders aren't hired for their brilliant skills and abilities. The prosecuting attorney is hired and paid for by the state. So are the public defending attorneys. The state's goal is to win its case against the defendant. In my own state, there are no incentives for a public defender to exert maximum effort for a client. In fact, a public defender that wins too many cases could be struck from the list of public defenders available for accused criminals. The terms public defender and fair trial don't even belong in the same sentence.

[@briand6671]

@@katiedotson704 Well Stated

[@christie5628]

@@katiedotson704she’s not a public defender though- she was hired

[@Jupiter_Crash]

Exactly the parents spent their money on paid attorneys and Ethan got a public defender.

[@HereForTheComments990]

She’s a competent attorney. She’s just utilizing dramatic tactics employed by EVERY DEFENSE ATTORNEY WHO REPRESENTS GUILTY CLIENTS. Good grief. You’re blaming the lawyer for having an indefensible client.

[@0101-s7v]

Defense: My client didn't purchase the firearm, her husband did, so she has no responsibility for making sure her son can't access the gun because she's "just the wife."

[@HereForTheComments990]

I mean, what other argument can be made? Like seriously?

[@leighewinson9473]

Lol horrible defense attorney

[@staceybell1429]

Amen and he is not responsible for what Ethan did either…Maybe the school and society should be charged for treating this boy like an outcast!!!Hmmm more charges to press DA…

[@lisapriebe8796]

Omg

[@lisapriebe8796]

She went shooting with her son with that gun!

[@DarlinReal]

This defense lawyer should be a preschool teacher.

[@HereForTheComments990]

Yeah. That’s just what we need. 🙄

[@DarlinReal]

@JustOneOpinion thank you Hats off to you for being frank. I sincerely apologize to preschoolers.

[@Juttutin]

It's 2024, and counsel are passing cables from desk to desk to show exhibits from their laptops... /sigh

[@Lepewhi]

So a 15yr old can't go in a bar, but can go in a gun shop?

[@thatawkwardchick7848]

I wasn’t allowed to bring my teen with me while I got a tattoo lol it’s wild

[@VioletJoy]

They're two very different things. Under no circumstances is a minor ever legally allowed to drink alcohol. However, under proper supervision, they are allowed to use a gun. Also, guns are not loaded and shot inside the store.

[@teenice894]

A 18 yr old can't go in a bar either but our government will give them grenades and a M16/AK47 and send them to war...

[@nobaddog1]

A gun store doesn’t sell alcohol. A gun store doesn’t sell guns to a minor. Where is the damage done if a father brings his son into a gun store? My father bought my first gun at a Walmart type store. I didn’t turn out to be a mass murderer. Guns aren’t the problem. People are the problem.

[@Lepewhi]

@@nobaddog1 I'd rather give my teen a beer than a gun.

[@talk3194]

I think the parents intent of purchasing the gun for Ethan was in hopes he’d use it on himself. Just sayin. Neither one of his parents showed any kind of love for Ethan, he seemed to be more of a burden to them.

[@peterbaruxis2511]

OMG, I made the same comment on a different video of this trial. Yeah.

[@talk3194]

@@peterbaruxis2511 I found out from a lawyer friend that the parents have a good chance of beating the involuntary manslaughter charges because Michigan didn’t have a safety lock law at the time of the school shooting. They have since adopted the law after the incident. The lawyer friend also said the parents were negligent but there was no intentional negligence proven in Jennifer’s trial.

[@SherryN-bi3yz]

@@talk3194 I may be wrong, but I''m guessing a hung jury. I think the prosecutor would have been better off going with a lesser charge like negligent homicide or whatever Michigan has similar to that on its books.

[@dougspidermanhappy]

It would not be the first time. There’s a great book by Scott Peck about evil. He was treating the very depressed teenager whose brother committed s. The parents gave him the rifle that the boy used. He said he thought his parents wanted him to shoot himse1f too. The book is called People of the Lie

[@harrisonhanson2998]

Even if I wasn’t a troubled teen (I probably was maybe not to this kids extent but in all fairness & seriousness I’m sure I was for a period of time a troubled teen) but even if I wasn’t my parents would NEVER purchase even a paintball gun for me, let alone an actual gun that can take a life!!! Even if I hunted as a teen my parents would NEVER buy me or my siblings a gun! & this kid had absolutely no interest whatsoever to use that gun for anything other than killing his peers. So I think it’s safe to say the majority of us watching would say his parents are 100% responsible for that kid & what they allowed/enabled their offspring to do what he did. & this is exactly why in every state guns cannot be given as a gift bc guns are not transferable, why? Bc than they’d wind up in the hands of children that can’t handle that type of responsibility (like this is prime example), or ex cons who by law can’t be allowed to bear arms.

[@user-dz8mw5wp3w]

Both parents need to be locked away for good

[@turtletruth]

My parents gave me my first shotgun for Xmas when I was 12 years old. They trusted me and I didn't let them down unlike the Crumbly kid had!... Later in life I became a United States Marine and further, trained all 4 of my children how to properly shoot at 12 years of age, so stop blaming the parents for another persons actions... This is insanity!!! Under your theory, should any of my firearm trained children get into trouble, its my fault, I should do the prison time....

[@joannemcmillan9201]

The school contacted these parents. They were slow to respond and then didn’t react knowing they had given him a weapon. They should’ve taken him home and secured the weapon. Instead they sent him back to class.

[@rockybalboa4593]

@@turtletruth I have to wonder why you deemed it necessary to claim that you are a Marine. While I thank you for your service, how is that even remotely relevant to any point you’re attempting to make? What purpose does it serve other than to be manipulative in attempting to elicit sympathy or convey somehow that your opinion carries more merit than another’s? Is being a Marine suddenly a free pass that you’re automatically a model parent? I’ve known Marines who were alcoholics and abusive to their families. My point of view still stands that firearms have absolutely no place in the hands of children. THAT is what is insanity. Firearms are not toys. I’d much rather my children learn self confidence and how to protect themselves by training in martial arts. It’s a much healthier and safer option. I’m an educator. I tell you this because as an educator, I see parents like this absolutely every day of my career. The apple does not fall far from the tree when it comes to children. Narcissistic parents make terrible parents. When you call to criticize their children’s behavior or conduct, they take it as a personal attack against themselves because they view their children as extensions of themselves. They enable and make any excuse imaginable for their children. It’s no wonder why their children have such outrageous senses of entitlement.

[@Juttutin]

The kid wrote "the thoughts won't stop. help me" on a math school test, under a drawing of his gun. This is one of those very very rare cases when the parents are more guilty for the deaths than their murdering child.

[@jille659]

I agree this boy asked for help and the parents failed him it's 😢 and innocent people died. They all are participants in this crime. 💔 The parents should have took their son for help.

[@Dls-e5y]

This lawyer is so annoying I don’t think she has much experience

[@ThatsMyBlackOpinion]

Surprisingly, she does. She represented the gymnastics coach who was violating kids.

[@spellingbee2000]

I know I was shocked she has experience!!

[@paulthecpa2717]

How does the manager not know what the NICS check “does”? God help us.

[@annalisavajda252]

Yeah she used to just work the counter too I wonder how many people that work in gun shops know very much then. Personally I used to work in high end clothing and jewellery and would wonder about the products too oh I wonder if that lady's husband will like the dress or if his wife will like the diamond earrings do they ever wonder if the gun they sold is going to kill some kids at the school?

[@frankief1142]

She said she didn’t know what the FBI does with the information once it’s sent over to them. It’s common sense that a NICS check is a background check (which she refers it as a few seconds later)

[@paulthecpa2717]

@@frankief1142 Point made Frankie 👍. I do believe she understands what a NICS check is.

[@user-jy3zl2vp4b]

A more important question is why, if there i no response to the NICS request, it is an automatic "go" to sell a gun?!? Why wouldn't the default be STOP the gun sale. I mean if it is Joe Blow's job to check the incoming gun documents, but he happens to get the flu and be out for the week...then ANYONE during that time automatically gets to buy a gun?!?

[@natalieserrano5072]

Wow! This woman attorney is INSUFFERABLE… how many times did she ask if the moms name was on the receipts… OMG SHUT HER UP!

[@desi4227]

So her bad at lawyering Defense is going for the ‘ it was all my husband ‘ defense? As if. She was having an affair at the time of the shooting and then after the shooting Husband and Wife drained Ethan’s piggy bank and bank accounts and went on the run where they were later arrested hiding in a basement.

[@DVD927]

Ah, that makes sense. Pretty dysfunctional family dynamics I saw in the police videos.

[@christianward-nisbet8833]

Who is doing the closed captioning? Im reading about the Lions & football stuff.

[@susanmaguire]

I was reading about how long it takes walnut trees to mature.

[@michaeljones1664]

Go to settings and select Captions: “English (auto-generated)”

[@Namastephie]

I’m still trying to figure out if Jennifer Crumbly’s name is on the receipt. I wish the defense would’ve asked some more questions to make that clear. 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@VioletJoy]

You might need to rewatch the video. Although it's brief, the attorney did mention that Jennifer's name was not on the receipt. You're welcome. 😉

[@VioletJoy]

@JustOneOpinion But Jennifer bought the bullets.

[@michelleiler3528]

Lol, anyone understand sarcasm here?

[@pcbrightlights]

The defendant seems to want to portray herself in court as a physical and emotional wreck!!

[@stacye3184]

It takes a lotta work to look that bad!

[@dawnisles6363]

The mother is super unlikeable. I've never understood Americans' insistence on having guns . Their insanity on this issue is just fascinating to the rest of the world.

[@jamesadams893]

Where are you from dawn

[@PuntaPacifica507]

Wait..a citizen from a perfect country has spoken! Hush and learn.

[@Psychiatricnerd]

@@PuntaPacifica507😂 love this. They always come on here and just can’t believe that we could ever live with such “horrendous healthcare” and “crime ridden cities”. It’s just these passive aggressive digs like we’re supposed to be jealous of them in their perfect little countries.

[@pmczapczara5332]

@@Psychiatricnerd where they have a population of 5-15 million and strict immigration laws....and they try to pretend they're just like us.

[@genacunningham1731]

Yes, for real!!

[@micadean1600]

She has the OG Karen hairstyle 😂❤

[@margaretbrady5646]

Can anyone hear what this judge is saying? She has no presence and lacks real authority.

[@abelis644]

Nice way of demeaning a successful woman. Jealous much?

[@e2renee]

Years before the school shooting he found a gun in the house and shot up her kayak.

[@mangos2888]

The closed captioning is all about carbon monixide detectors 😂

[@caseyj779]

I got why it is important to keep your chimney clean.

[@Psychiatricnerd]

Mine is about the academy awards or whatever the heck they’re called. 😂

[@shadrach6299]

Buying guns for your mentally disturbed child-don’t you just LOVE the gun culture?

[@user-jy3zl2vp4b]

That was supposed to fix their mental illness, according to the NRA handbook!

[@mikeferguson4522]

Watching this attorney is so painful..the use of the word Correct is so overused.

[@delia5158]

CooooRrrrrrEeecccccTTTt!! Condescending tone

[@videofandude99]

I came for the Karen haircut, I stayed for the entertainment.

[@rayodell8213]

What a stupid way to authorise someone to get a gun !! The shop has to make sure its legal for a person to have a gun, but after 5 days, if the shop hasn't recieved the say so to let the customer legally take the gun they can take the weapon anyway 😮

[@user-jy3zl2vp4b]

💯ridiculous!

[@ThatsMyBlackOpinion]

The defense lawyer sounds like she is a character on Saturday Night Live.

[@slimboyfatbolox2u183]

My concern is why is there nba subtitals on this video..talking about basket ball lol

[@susanmaguire]

I learned about walnut trees.

[@caseyj779]

I got why it is important to keep your chimney clean.

[@LauraVee63]

Listening to this defense attorney talk makes my head explode. She needs to go back to school - she's awful! It's like listening to nails on a chalk board.

[@Ricaaa13]

This attorney should be on SNL 🤪

[@sheilalindauer248]

22:50 Asking the same question over and over, correct? The gun was unsecured, correct?

[@Gubastek]

It is frightening how little she actually knows about firearms, while working as a manager in a gun store... One example: "Yes, cable lock you have to take the slide off the pistol, and run the cable through the barrel..."

[@jeremybeall2219]

She is the Office Manager and not the Store Manager. All the details about guns are on the Store Manager and the Owner.

[@CmonMan101]

That stood out to me, also. She definitely doesn't have a semi-auto she's cable locking. All in all, though, it was nice watching an honest woman do her best.

[@cbatta2025]

Get a life

[@marqsee7948]

sure looks like she had to stop herself from saying FBI wrong.

[@0101-s7v]

So? Exactly what kind of "expert" does she need to be to work in a gun store, fill out forms and take money? And what would a more knowledgeable person have done differently? Your comment just makes no sense.

[@jenniferanderson7080]

Asked and answered. My god.

[@mackmckay588]

This witness is sporting the proverbial Karen hairstyle

[@jlnriddick]

Lol. Noticed that immediately!

[@mangos2888]

She sure is!

[@emerkamp1]

Why be racist

[@joeperry2089]

this is an awesome precedent, all minors charged with a firearm crime should have the parents charged also.

[@Glocks.Scotch.and.Wristwatch]

i agree, its an awesome precedent. but you're wrong when it comes to charging ALL parents, that's just ridiculous.

[@joeperry2089]

@@Glocks.Scotch.and.Wristwatch ok maybe leave it up to a prosecutor and judge but if parents were more legally responsible for their children it would have to reduce a lot of crime and maybe if kids can make it to eighteen without getting locked up they might have a better chance of going their whole life without crime

[@lifeonmakeup6458]

Judge seems wishywashy. I realize she’s trying to be fair and careful due to the unprecedented nature of this case, but she is not coming across as someone in control of their courtroom.

[@owenweikert7978]

This defense lawyer is BAD

[@garysmith1863]

Why is Mrs. Crumbley being forced to wear a furni pad?

[@dakat1726]

That's the most early 2000's Karen haircut ever, in 2024

[@ThatsMyBlackOpinion]

It does look good on her, though.

[@elizabethcimino6559]

She is no Karen. Crumbly is 100% guilty.

[@bevmacdonald9008]

The transcript here is not the transcript for what this video shows

[@heleng1901]

Think the defence lawyer is a bit out of her depth, that's how she comes across

[@stephaniehowe0973]

Her son who is still a child took responsibility & was sentenced. Jennifer? Who is an adult is trying to weasel out of her responsibility.

[@KellsSmith1244]

The manager has an ‘I want to speak to the manager’ haircut.

[@bzleo2003]

These closed captions though....

[@jerrysears7607]

Charge everybody. The principal, teachers, lunch ladies, and janitor too. Lotty Dotty everyBODY. Let the chips go where they go.

[@teresaferrer4748]

Why are so many serious 'jobs' handled by people that don't know crap. I would think working in a store that sells firearms ,would require someone to know everything ,laws,handling of weapons etc.

[@sarahandrewsreynolds823]

Not to take away from the horrific nature of this situation but THAT is the quintessential "Karen" hairstyle!

[@DVD927]

Kate Gosselin style!

[@elsteve43]

Boy, she's really sending Mr.Crumbley upstream, eh? All grey is a good look for her.-it shows how the process has aged her.

[@fedupwitumboth]

So they weren’t paying their house payment, they weren’t getting Ethan the help he BEGGED for but they had horses and were buying guns? yep, great parents!

[@t.martin3179]

The thing is there are no established laws against bad or suboptimal parenting. The date of the tragedy there was not a gun storage law on the books - we do not have a proactive system but a very slow to react system.

[@fedupwitumboth]

@@t.martin3179 actually MI does have gun storage laws whenever there is a minor living on the premises.. so in that way they did break the law.

[@t.martin3179]

​@@fedupwitumboth The law related to storage took effect *after* Oxford.

[@jupitersmalls1507]

I can’t stand it when the witness cannot be heard.

[@lisapriebe8796]

She knew he was buying it

[@greg9497]

Even if Ethan weren't mentally ill, and "just" evil, they STILL bought a gun for him.

[@helmutstransky3761]

They must have a good cook in that jail. And a bad hair stylist.😆

[@BiPolarBear128]

wtf is with the closed caption on this video ? has NOTHING to do with what is being said ..who is in charge of texting here because they need to be fired

[@TheMostHighDaughter180]

Had a shamble of a house but can afford a slew of guns! Wow. And can’t afford health insurance for his sick in the head son who was begging for help!!! Don’t add up!!! Why did he need so many guns 🧐

[@ambarely-here]

i lost track of how many times she asked if jennifer’s name was on the receipt after the 6th in probably 2 minutes

[@StephenRedeemed]

why is CC not giving what she is saying and talking about chimney cleaning, real estate, practically even other than what thy are saying in the Audio. Very Strange!!

[@Saige08]

The defense attorney is the definition of..XXXX...tra! She is grossly unprofessional.

[@debschannel6838]

The 5 day wait and then them being allowed to hand a firearm over because the BG check is not back yet is a loophole that needs to be addressed. I learned of this a few years ago and someone with murderous intention more than likely will have that 5 days later. Not always of course.

[@user-jy3zl2vp4b]

I am also concerned that if there is no answer, the default is the sale goes through. I think the sale should only go thought if they come back with a green light from the BC, otherwise they wait or its a no go!

[@kimpatterson7171]

OK...who is doing the subtitles. It have nothing to do with this testimony 🙄🙄

[@tycooper7368]

Instead of Karen asking for the manager, karen is the manager.

[@CountCrackulaMyWay]

If I never hear the word “correct” again I will be extremely happy.

[@lisapriebe8796]

Of course she bragged about his new gun online!

[@pcbrightlights]

Guns are so cheap! They should be taxed more. Higher prices would deter some people. There should be a restriction on the sale of sub machine guns etc

[@RexApplegate]

My suggestion is to research these things. If you think it's easy to buy a sub machine gun lawfully in the US you are far below the threshold of understanding the topic.

[@imdonkeykonga]

a 22 lr derringer? XD no caliber is too little no gun is too short... guys be responsible with your tools

[@Timshot100]

Lawyer missed a great opportunity to ask her what are some of the reasons for a DELAY ! Because several reasons a red flag popped up causing further investigation! Maybe they were busy that day ! Maybe had to get a supervisor ok to clear the background! My point is he could have done more with that

[@SeanPGribbons]

That manager is wrong about a cable lock

[@joduffield3171]

The lawyer for the defendent is literally unprofessional, arrogant and disorganized. She should be disbarred.

[@joduffield3171]

Why isnt the gun purchaser James the one on trial?

[@mcdinkysgarage4514]

The closed captions for me were about carbon monoxide poisoning?

[@susanmaguire]

I got walnut trees.

[@mnmmnm8321]

Is ignorance a crime now????

[@anois]

The USA is a truly sick country 😮

[@Dls-e5y]

I like her hairdo and see many with the same

[@Kassandra66]

The money paid for the gun is enough money for a couple of therapy sessions for the boy. Too bad the parents made the wrong choice.

[@sheenamo]

If you're reading this, have a blessed day, and remember God loves you!!❤

[@katrinahetherington3425]

🙏❤️

[@tobiwalker7145]

Folks really need to learn to keep their delusions to themselves.

[@Littlemom1977]

To you as well : )

[@tonyetzu]

All leading questions. I would have objected.

[@SmilingBeaver-ou7nc]

This Judge is such a low talker, so I can't hear her rulings.

[@bamadad53]

I think defense attorney believes jurors are “total buffoons” and thinks it takes asking a question 10-20 different ways to obtain the same answer. Case in point. How many times did she ask the gun store clerk (I say clerk I never understood her title) was the mom’s signature on the receipt….oh about 44 times (I’m guessing bc I lost count at around 17). So I wonder if she feels confident the jury knows mom’s signature wasn’t on the receipt. If I were that witness and after her asking that question about mom’s signature not being on the receipt for the 3rd time I would have responded “I’ve already answered that question twice…why do you keep asking it”.

[@pinky567]

I know what you mean it’s so frustrating but you have to put up with their buffoonery and try and answer respectfully. Otherwise you may get a verbal smack on the hand

[@ei7936]

2001 wants its haircut back

[@jxbello07]

The defense attorney is not prepared

[@nancyduran369]

Lady quit sayin ummmm

[@MathewWoodard]

The defense attorney’s voice makes my ears ring and the way she phrases questions is annoying af. She doesn’t really ask anything she just says stuff and ends it with “correct?”

[@turtletruth]

ONLY IN OAKLAND COUNTY, MICHIGAN! Oakland County Michigan residents have learned its Judicial and financial suicide residing inside the county! Oakland County has the harshest legal punishments in the nation and the utmost draconian and brutal policing and probation conditions of any state!

[@John-tn5ho]

Is her name Karen