Jennifer Crumbley trial: Text messages show shooter had access to gun

Prosecutors said before the Oxford High School shooting, the shooter sent a video of a gun to a friend with a message that read: "My dad left it out so I thought ‘Why not.’"
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[@melodieshimon]

The defence attorney is downright incompetent. Sobbing in court , meanwhile theirs parents whom lost children and were told not to make any facial expressions yet the attorney crying ! Judge isn’t doing her job either !

[@dholla444]

This judge needs to control her courtroom

[@My_Crazy_Neighbor]

The defense attorney is a moron. She spent hours arguing about the state including text messages that she felt weren't relevant and here she is CRYING that the state is now excluded text messages that weren't relevant.

[@nazmeeramujahidsaleem9980]

The Judge Needs To Settle Her Court Room

[@Pond_Maven]

“My copy does not have starrrrrrz on it.” The defense lawyer cannot evennnnnn. My question: why were they buying a gun for a mentally unstable teenager?

[@DeeKay-66]

Why is this judge allowing the defense lawyer to make so many speaking objections. In most cases there isn’t even a legal standard that she’s quoting. Judge needs to take control of this courtroom.

[@lizdk1999]

Yes, this judge is incompetent, then they complained about the judge of the Parkland shooter case, people should complained about this judge.

[@Sookielein]

Some judges allow speaking objections.

[@76rstump]

What parent would buy their mentally unstable child a Gun? Wtf

[@esdee878]

If she was my defense attorney, I would ask for a refund. She's so unprofessional.

[@katbar6066]

Probably never done a case like this one!

[@lovabledork23]

She’s like a teenager throwing a tantrum!

[@kc-lp6wg]

The Defense attorney is in hysterics. It's really unprofessional.

[@Kim-wm9fx]

This is a ridiculous defense attorney & the judge is letting her run the room. Yikes!

[@rrosen7370]

Crumbley is so screwed with her Attorney. She’s very overwhelmed!

[@arla7247]

where did the defense lawyer come from? Every time I hear her speak , I can't believe she is a trained lawyer

[@lizdk1999]

Yes, she is a lawyer for 16 years look like she mainly does sexual misconduct cases, she was Dr Larry Nassar’s lawyer.

[@katherinegilbert-espada3715]

Omg. She is horrible.

[@kathismith7441]

From a barn.

[@lizdk1999]

@@ambarely-here haha

[@lizdk1999]

@@kathismith7441 haha

[@NotFromUtahRy]

When your defense lies and starts trying to create doubt when there is none there, you know you've lost.

[@somedudem8]

Hopefully they lock up the mother so she can't have anymore children. Irresponsible.

[@ChristinaTodd1970]

Why is the defense allowed to make speaking objections? Sidebar!!

[@looking4things669]

She's being diligent. That's my take.

[@Tiffany-Rose]

"We're going so fast!" No actually it's not, you're just the worst lawyer on the planet JFC 🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[@tashaawesome6297]

Facts😮😮

[@Tiffany-Rose]

@@tashaawesome6297 I'm not a lawyer and I'm actually thinking "Damn this is taking forever, go faster!" 🤷‍♀️ Shes terrible 😅

[@melissam7822]

The defense attorney's whole strategy seems to be to be overly emotional, complain that she hasn't been given evidence that she in fact was given and object, object, object....good grief.

[@debradaily6559]

and say "sorry "

[@albussnape2]

Judge behaving in motherly way toward defense attorney. Are they related??

[@lisazonfrillo9674]

The defense is just wrong with this argument.

[@jenniferacrey2940]

This was Larry Nassar's attorney. You must be scraping the bottom of the barrel

[@cfp11]

Yikes!

[@HereForTheComments990]

So, you think Nassar should have won? You’re really here rooting for the bad guy? Yuck.

[@Haarschmuckfachgeschafttadpole]

Shows that the parents bought him the gun as "his" gun and not a gun he could just use but his.

[@loveforeignaccents]

Yeah, it was his Christmas present.

[@chrissyscholl816]

Not even sure how that's legal at all? It's crazy to me that you can buy a gun as a gift for a minor who can't legally purchase one themselves... You can't even buy weed or alcohol for a minor. If you're not old enough to buy a gun you shouldn't be legally allowed to even use a gun. Period.

[@loveforeignaccents]

@@chrissyscholl816 It's not legal.

[@Allthhegoodonesaretaken]

@@chrissyscholl816it’s not legal. What are you not understanding?

[@vinnieb2634]

You can buy a handgun for your kid and say its his. But it can't legally be his till he's 21 and you can transfer it. Like buying your 16 year old a car that is in your name until they turn 18 because they can't be on title till 18.

[@lauriepowell3959]

It was so disquieting and disturbing to hear the sound of Ethan firing on the shooting range. Even worse to see videos of him practicing (instagram story). This is tragic and horrifying.

[@shevawnmacdonald4282]

All this noise, the only thing that really incriminates the parents is not immediately pulling their son when they saw what he had drawn and not taking him home to find the gun, this could be a ten minute trial and I would have convicted these idiots

[@jessehickman668]

Yup A lot of irrelevant fluff. She’s a criminally irresponsible mom. Not Hitler

[@lauriepowell3959]

Also not locking up gun promptly after shooting range “My dad left it out, so I thought ‘Why not?’”

[@chrissyscholl816]

Buying the gun for their mentally ill minor, not locking the gun up, ignoring his cries for help/not getting him help with his mental health. There's a lot of incriminating things here. Refusing a child medical care is illegal! If her son had an appendicitis and didn't take him to a doctor right away, she would be responsible. Just like when he was seeing demons and told her he was hearing voices, she bought him a gun and then he wrote "the thoughts won't stop" with stick figures shooting people on his school work and she told the school she wasn't going to have her sons mental health evaluated, she is completely responsible. I'd almost go as far to say more responsibile because Ethan was a minor forced to handle his mental illness alone. He wasn't equipped to handle that. And then here's his parents putting the gun in his hands. I'm sure in his mentally ill mind that was his green light to act on his thoughts.

[@SusieQ1971]

​@@chrissyscholl816Where is the evidence that the mom told the school she refused to have her son evaluated? The school asked her to have him evaluated within 48 hours just before the shooting took place. The school allowed her to leave Ethan at school. Then he shot up the school and was taken into custody. There was no refusal to get him evaluated. Unless there was a prior date before the day of the shooting where they asked and she didn't follow through with getting him an evaluation. And BTW I think the mother messed up but that dad did even worse kept leaving the gun out and unlocked so Ethan could get to it. They really weren't going through his notebook or backpack looking for what's going on with him even after previous calls from the school.

[@mobileasaurus]

They have to prove they should have known thier son was in a bad place mentally and shouldn't have had access to a gun, much less be given one. That they should have known all of this and done more when they saw the drawing at school (take him home, ask him if he had the gun).

[@CoolCucumber710]

They sure do love they guns, don’t they? Oh, and horses too. Especially when they drink🙄 RIP to those 4 sweet souls😔💔🙏🏼 and healing to their loved ones and the Community.🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@tashaawesome6297]

OMG, listening to Ethan shooting is bad enough, but watching him holding the gun and hearing him shoot it is absolutely disturbing 😳 😕 😢

[@CoolCucumber710]

And that’s exactly what the Prosecutor wants everyone to see.⚖️😔💔🙏🏼

[@tammieastman9997]

Omg!! This defense attorney 😮😮.

[@76rstump]

Defense attorney's behavior is unprofessional, and completely disrespectful to the Judge and entire Court

[@diannedocherty3816]

The defence can’t read the red sticker on the screen. She’s spinning. All she needs is little yellow pad if she has a defence. She forgets she can ask questions. So interesting to witness her court room behaviour. That Instagram story is a bad fact. Her histrionics without proper rules of trial. This judge is not happy or shouldn’t be.

[@LunaShimmyDiva]

Not a single objection. You’d think she’d argue relevance re: the multiple vids sent between parents. It’s like watching one team trounce another on the football field!

[@marshaeat8]

ineffective council

[@loveforeignaccents]

*counsel

[@HereForTheComments990]

Indefensible client. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@purgal5250]

I watch a lot of court cases. Either Michigan has very different rules that this defense attorney is reacting to or the defense attorney is not very knowledgeable about court rules and expectations.

[@tashaawesome6297]

Seriously...defense spent 2 days complaining about texts that she fought to keep out of evidence...only to complain that all the texts are now being kept out of evidence...It's insanity 🙄 😳 😮

[@maryalicebynum8808]

I’m beginning to think the defense attorney is remedial! She is more than a little special!

[@JonathanHassingerChannel]

Defendant’s lawyer’s first trial.

[@mrich9654]

This attorney 🙄

[@craigbb9177]

J.C. is siting there thinking I'm done/screwed. I should have made a plea deal

[@l.w.d.431]

God I hope she’s also thinking “I shouldnt have let my husband buy our mentally disturbed child a gun”

[@jessehickman668]

I’m confused. So what’s the price of tea in china?

[@cfp11]

It depends

[@navinjohnson2010]

All you can drink... 5 dorrah

[@Greg_call]

HOW... How did this defense attorney obtain her law license? Unbelievably lacking basic skills in the courtroom.

[@Nichol0824]

12:36 omggggggg she has asked WHAT NUMBER EXIBIT for EVERY SINGLE EXIBIT even though they are IN NUMERICAL ORDER. 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯13:41 omg 50 or 51? Why don’t that guy DO SOMETHING to help maybe, 🤷🏻‍♀️ or she needs to GO, they have to repeat EVERYTHING to her…..take NOTES MAYBE 🤔🤷🏻‍♀️

[@truthtalker4038]

The judge leaves a LOT to be desired!!!! SMH

[@magnolia_bees]

Are her attorneys public defenders? Sometimes i wonder if they sabotage the defense because they want their clients locked up too. I know they arent allowed to do that but i feel like they do it sometimes

[@loveforeignaccents]

Hired, I believe.

[@jfraserfisher]

She hired them

[@cwynn211]

Retained

[@toroverde9329]

Ive seen public defenders do better jobs than hired lawyers

[@jillsolomon9157]

I recall the judge in one video, telling the defense she knew the defense was an experienced attorney. Either the defense is totally incompetent, or she is hoping her client can later claim she did not have adequate representation. I would be embarrassed to have to ask every second text which number they were on. Her immaturity shines forth each time she does not get her way. Unbelievable!

[@SusanMarie3]

This defense attorney is sinking her own career - is this her first trial????

[@suzanneclifton8941]

Seriously annoying attorney!!!!

[@Eve-The-1stWoman]

The glorification for guns in this country is mind boggling. Really is.The only thing left is ya'll building shrines and praying to them 5 times a day.

[@MovieMakingMan]

@@lastfirst78What do you pray to? Guns? Imaginary ‘gods’? Praying is an ancient relic that no normal person does.

[@tashaawesome6297]

The judge is allowing so much from defense...it's just incompetence at this point 🥴😬😱

[@angeez82]

Defense we are here 8 hours 🤨 ma’am most people work 8 hour shifts plus def don’t make or come close to your salary stfu. She’s a Hottt Mess how is she even a lawyer she needs therapy clearly this woman def going down w this attorney n should they should’ve took him for help prior but at very least when they were called in about the drawing period. I allow my teen son access and range etc if he ever told me what her son said he wouldn’t have access n he’d be getting mental help immediately

[@newname4405]

just love when DAs have zero idea of gun safety lol, she picked up the derringer, pointed it at the witness, and goes, 'is this the derringer'? yes ofc it's not loaded in that situation but anyone with the slightest bit of knowledge of gun safety knows that doesn't matter, and it's kind of ironic that they're, at the core here, prosecuting a case about gun safety and keeping guns away from teenagers..

[@sunshinemagicalrainbowunic4004]

Both lawyers and judge are terribly incompetent.

[@user-tl1gi7zo5u]

She pointed the gun at the people behind her when in cort the judge didnt even notice SMH

[@Raccoon_Mama.]

This woman is an ATTORNEY??????

[@sunshinemagicalrainbowunic4004]

Is there no sidebar

[@kearstenw3855]

There were more than a thousand comments during this live. However they have turned off and removed all of them.

[@loveforeignaccents]

That always happens; comments get deleted after a livestream.

[@ellenstecko2443]

This judge is awful

[@jackiedecoma4637]

I have watched a lot of these videos and I have to say I feel sorry for the jury. There is constant distractions and complaining about things.

[@seapup2247]

So many speaking objections wow

[@seapup2247]

This guy's lucky he didnt get shot... as soon as he said he went to inspect w a flashlight I was like really dude... not very sneaky lol 🔦 😅

[@mmay6621]

The defense attorneys voice is like nails on a chalkboard…but whiny and more annoying.

[@kathismith7441]

The DA sounds slow.

[@kathismith7441]

Defense

[@annalisavajda252]

Well it is important to note a few text messages are not the entire communications for the sake of context you could have messages with someone for years but the jury only cares about a couple of them not the whole day to day dramas indeed there could be other 15 year olds with guns that are safe and responsible with them but her son was not. It's like many teens may be licensed and responsible drivers too so their parents but them a car and they don't cause an accident and kill people but another kid gets bought a car and the parents don't care if he wears a seatbelt or speeds or drinks and drives etc. and so maybe they do kill people with their car can't say one is the same as the other. Unfortunately for responsible drivers they have to share the road with dangerous ones unfortunately for regular teens they have to go to school with violent ones that have negligent parents that give them guns and then the regular teens may get shot. That's the world we live in unfortunately having to interact with people we would rather not.

[@turtletruth]

These parents are not the son and further, this lengthy process is the punishment ...! The system already took everything these parents had. Their home, vehicles, life savings and raided all their possessions... Bills haven't been paid, credit cards are overdue and these parents have nothing left to take from, or home to return... Either way, the system utterly destroyed these parents lives for eternity... This is not justice! The prosecutor’s narrative is darker than her shadow...!

[@mobileasaurus]

They played a roll in thier sons actions. If not for thier action and inaction the son wouldn't have been able to do what he did how it happen.

[@turtletruth]

@@mobileasaurus My parents gave me my first shotgun for Xmas when I was 12 years old. They trusted me and I didn't let them down unlike the Crumbly kid had!... Later in life I became a United States Marine and further, trained all 4 of my children how to properly shoot at 12 years of age, so stop blaming the parents for another persons devious actions... This is insanity!!!

[@jordie1234]

@@turtletruth Have you been following this story at all? The son was mentally ill and begged his parents to get him help but all they did was neglect him. He was also having hallucinations and was afraid to be home alone but they ignored him over and over. There is so much more to the story about how he was neglected, this is just one example of how they failed him. It seems they loved their horses more than their son.

[@nybrite46]

They bought a gun for their seriously mentally ill son. In what world is that normal genius? 🙄​@@turtletruth

[@turtletruth]

@@jordie1234 If illogically convicted, this would be the first case to set precedence which means Michigan may become the most dangerous place on earth for parents to have babies and raise children! The new law would destroy countless families by association, only benefitting the legal system!

[@vinnieb2634]

Obviously this family like many bonded over going to the gun range and talking and buying guns. It is a legitimate hobby. These videos prove nothing tbh. Separating James and Jennifer was smart as Jennifer is less into the guns and they will prove she wasn't the owner or in charge of their storage that responsibility was James'.

[@HereForTheComments990]

The texts prove they both knowingly purchased a handgun for their son. That is illegal. Bottom line. There is copious evidence that they did this whilst knowing he was mentally unstable and violent. All of this led directly to 4 kids being murdered by their son, with the gun they bought for him. Boom. Involuntary manslaughter.

[@jamesoblivion]

Didn't really work out, did it?

[@jamesoblivion]

Also, I'm not sure what's 'legitimate' about buying a gun for a disturbed teenager who's told you he sees demons. Can you explain the 'legitimate' part of that?

[@staceyhouston8794]

@@jamesobliviongood question!

[@shutitfukface]

what a clown show