Apple River stabbing trial: Witness describes assisting Isaac Schuman

[@theworldisavampire3346]

Alcohol is the root of so many bad situations.

[@lisaadrienne9852]

You ain’t lying… Hot summer day with alcohol.. bound to find some excitement, in this case someone was killed because of bad judgment.. he was angry he was being teased by some “Dopey drunk loud mouth young people…” He could have just walked away.. he was no better than them… He was tipsy too.. he doesn’t look scared knowing he’s grabbing his knife out of his pocket… 😢

[@leaharchambault5796]

@lisaadrienne9852 Agree, 💯- this is well said

[@QiuniecaTaylor]

I don't drink but I think people are the problem not alcohol 🤔

[@forpetessake3532]

that’s why it’s called SPIRITS - it weakens , spirits enter the body

[@forpetessake3532]

@@QiuniecaTayloroh …. ITS BOTH ……

[@American-gs4bt]

This case has solidified for me that I will not be around drinking and drugs, and I will not offer help in a crowd of people. I will stay sober, stay around sober people, and mind my own business.

[@coll4455]

Good take away from this.

[@thinkbeforyouvote]

I'm old and haven't drank since my teen years 110% because I wasn't a particularly good drinker and never really met anyone who was.

[@thekromealexander5402]

Yep! Me too

[@The5MTrader]

Perfect comment.

[@andy31793]

Not offer help in a crowd of people. Why?

[@MsGarrison]

Watching this case, I’m so proud of myself for being 9 months sober of drinking 🎉

[@lindahostek3372]

I am proud of YOU, stay Strong!!❤❤

[@hearmenow909]

They weren't alcoholics.

[@briannatarelli430]

Everyone only had two beers though.

[@Winston-hw8wb]

Stay strong👌👌 I've been drinking A lot, crashed, hospitals.. quitted smoking joints 5 years clean! Being drunk&stoned..now seems sooo f@king boring. Cheers from europe

[@sobeit1166]

@@lindahostek3372Me too!

[@josephwallace7287]

Be kind to strangers people.

[@crocodile2006]

And don't "lose" your knife in the middle of a crime scene

[@eclipsegfxable]

@@pattymelt-go3fv Keep coping lmao. Next time don't F with old fellas then cry when they defend themselves.

[@Sesca026]

@@pattymelt-go3fvYou lost me at “he said he was “looking for little girls.” The Prosecutor already conceded that he did not say that.

[@pattymelt-go3fv]

@@Sesca026 You're right I hadn't seen that part when I wrote the comment. Why were the boys calling him "predator" and "raper"? Because he touched one of their legs?. I'm glad I'm not on the jury. The whole thing is awful and tragic.

[@rainbows9060]

​@@pattymelt-go3fvsomeone speculated that he could have said "I'm looking for my goggles" it's possible,but im sure he had them on his person when he is supposed to have said that.talk about recolections may vary.

[@foxglovepearls]

See? It’s unrealistic to expect people to recall what they stated while drunk from two years ago.

[@stevejorde]

Groups + alcohol= trouble

[@dkg249]

💯💯

[@noklarok]

over 9000

[@sierrannomad]

Not necessarily, have drinks with my friends all the time, Purim is a holiday my whole city gets drinking, 2500 years tradition. No st-bbings.

[@bcriggs6962]

no way i drank heavily with tons of people for 20 years. This guy disembowelled 4 people in 4 seconds. He is a crazy Russian with KGB knife skills for a guy who's is 5'7 and 248 pounds.

[@nickc8819]

@@sierrannomad Culture plays a big part on this , you can't deny there are "certain" groups.

[@aerynstormcrow]

The problem is, and I’ve been in a similar situation, that your “perception” of the event right after is very dependent on your fight or flight. Meaning you are so keyed up that you may perceive more people or more danger than was actually there. Later, when you are calm and not afraid/keyed up, you can look back on the incident for what it actually was and realize you may have overreacted. So what these people said at first vs what actually happened and they are saying now can vary greatly due to clear heads.

[@simonfisher836]

That's why the lawyers love grabbing statements they made right after and comparing to what they are saying now.

[@myaccount5204]

By the time they testify, they have had more time to make up a good story (lie). That’s the reason the cops make people give statements directly after

[@bunch_o_racket]

yes! that's why, after traumatic situations, psychologists wait a day or two before interviewing children. i don't know why cops don't do that same thing with adults, because it's true for both.

[@markmack2746]

This is true. Our memories seem to fill in the blanks with what we want sometimes

[@SashiCat96]

I agree. I don't give any credibility to a seriously traumatized, nearly died, hopped up on drugs after his first major surgery victim. Those situations your brain is loopy as hell, you're hallucinating, dreaming weird stuff, it's a full on mix of real & total fantasy which you don't sort out until much later when you're off the meds & the shock has worn off.

[@scottbaxendale323]

All drinkers say they aren’t drunk after 6 beers.

[@taramay8174]

Yeh I'm shocked. Everyone was drinking

[@sirluisray1974]

It's wisconsin....😂😂😂 People love drinking up there.That's their national pastime.

[@HairyButWhole]

Tbh it depends on person and what do you mean being drunk. You would not lose control of yourself, ability to reason or memory, but after 2-3 beer you are losing you reaction speed.For me I consider being drunk you lose control of yourself, ability to reason and partial loss of memory and that starts to happen after +10 beers.

[@scottbaxendale323]

@@sirluisray1974 ….as if it isn’t everywhere else.

[@scottbaxendale323]

@@HairyButWhole Use that logic on a judge and see if they drop the DUI charges…..lol.

[@momof1576]

A little off topic: Why do people keep calling miu old? he’s only 54. He’s nowhere near old.

[@caroldaronch1974]

Exactly

[@ohokayofficial]

@@caroldaronch1974I bet it’s a streamer’s chat spamming KZbin comments just to troll They literally referred to him as a *senior citizen*

[@JohnMoran]

He had double bypass surgery. I'm 58, I'm sure not the same age as 17-24 year olds.

[@monabonejakon2797]

They want him to fit their boomer narrative.

[@maewebster9377]

it’s all relative. to teenagers 54 is old. to an 89 year, 54 is young

[@firetrucksrule07]

I don't get why they keep asking about this guys knife repeatedly. He wasn't the one who did the stabbing right?

[@Laura-te1sk]

.??????

[@connormunro8282]

It is in the report probably, and I believe the defendant mentioned that he saw 2 people with knives in the crowd surrounding him. He said he took a knife from 1 of them (which is a proven lie or we at least don't see it on the video), I also do not believe they Mui's knife, but they found his missing knife. I think this may go to the fact he felt threatened or to the fact that Mui was not the only one with a knife drawn, or his feeling he needed to take out his knife to defend himself.

[@debsea2759]

Showing that he was on high alert with knife in hand, cause he felt threatened by the same group as well. Memory better right after event than it is now. Even said they were talking shit to him. Thank God statements are recorded. If he doesn’t remember it’s cause he was drunker than he admits.

[@elhuddleston17]

Showing others men carry knives.

[@elhuddleston17]

Didn't even knew guy was there.

[@Chris-of6xm]

It's amazing how wherever there is alcohol, there are problems

[@flynndiesl]

You don’t remember every action you take in a situation like that

[@kmnnap]

He was drunk in a scary Situation and it's already been almost 2 years

[@DreamHomeAppraisals]

This guy didn't really see or remember ANYTHING. What he told the police in his same day statement versus over a year later on the stand has a lot more weight.

[@FlipNasty1]

Especially drunk-ish and nearly blind

[@TheBeezusjones]

He was drunk

[@justicedenyd]

​@@DreamHomeAppraisalsNot necessarily. When these kids gave statements at the scene or the hospital, they were likely still intoxicated and definitely in a state of extreme shock and grief! They were traumatized. Not all of them saw everything that occurred and each person has different perceptions and memories of the same incident. That is absolutely normal.

[@Mike7mcdonald]

So I know everyone is saying people are lying, but in a traumatic situation that is also chaotic, memories can change in your mind. Some of the ancillary details become more fuzzy, and you also can be influenced by what someone else says about what happened. So yes some of these people are lying, but some may just not be sure exactly what happened.

[@kylejo96]

Or..it's called we go to jail if we tell them we started it

[@kikibalser]

Add into that the speed at which everything escalated, and that people were arriving on scene at different moments during the situation...it was chaos. People saw only parts of what was happening and can only remember their part of it.

[@kylejo96]

If they don't know what happened..they aren't credible witnesses......

[@theghostofrethsich2813]

@@kylejo96exactly it went from we knew he was looking for a phone to little girls just to make a scene

[@kikibalser]

@@kylejo96 They are only witnesses to what they saw. That doesn't make them bad witnesses. You can't expect every witness to see every little thing going on in such a chaotic scene.

[@susannally8979]

Almost all of these adults drink and yet people are surprised about the teens drinking?

[@peggyjohnson9223]

Yeah right, "Monkey see, Monkey do"

[@nathanfoss2838]

Exactly. And why are people surprised that drunk teens make very bad decisions?

[@maileevyne5000]

It's the law 😂 jk. Like it's so normal to start drinking at 18. 15 under is too young though...😬

[@Dknight2818]

Yeah most people floating down a river are drinking...

[@DreamHomeAppraisals]

Adults drinking and teens drinking AND smoking weed is not only different, but all of the victims broke multiple laws by drinking underage and smoking weed.

[@grizbear9519]

Does anybody not drink in that part of the country? And who only has 2-4 beers on a whole day of tubing? I call bullshit!!!!

[@MW97058]

He actually testified to drinking 6 beers.

[@lovepet4565]

Lol I grew up in Midwest Shaker hts Ohio Its the long cold winters And fun summers Tons of alcoholics

[@mariepascale6921]

And does not have a spanich name.

[@kikibalser]

He said he had 6 beers and was "buzzed".

[@masterBong1]

it’s unusual to have drinks while out on vacation?

[@cristinereeve4002]

He was buzzed, but he could still walk and talk and stuff. A drunk always minimizes their alcohol usage.

[@knIfebOmb769]

What does this even mean? People that are buzzed can’t walk? or even talk? What exactly do you think buzzed means?

[@peterplful6342]

​@@knIfebOmb769it means some people (usually regular drinkers) consider drunk=unconcious, heavily impaired, instead of the normal equivalent drunk=inebriated. It's not a question of ability wheter you can walk and talk, or drive, it's the fact the your levels of alcohol have reached a noticeable effect on you ( that you yourself can notice) dude himself said he was buzzed alchol had an effecr on him he self addmitely noticed. But people tend to downplay it saying they are not drunk because they consider drunk=shitfaced, stumbling around wheter that is because the usual portrayal of someone drunk in media is that of someone heavily, comically inebriated or their own bias is another story.

[@mattpewpewpew]

And here all those commercials telling us “buzzed is drunk” and shouldn’t drive seem to be wrong according to this testimony.

[@simonfisher836]

What was the point of trying to make him out like a knife attacker? He clearly has nothing to do with it. I hate lawyers.

[@mpersand]

Thank you! I was very confused about that.

[@9sheri9]

Agreed. Prosecution speech & arguments are at a proficiency of a high school intern, & defense is grimey, below the belt & amateur. Not a good look for WI.

[@theghostofrethsich2813]

The questions were to prove people carried knives on the river and Mr Mui is not some let’s get armed for society type guy

[@LauraSobkiewicz]

I agree with you

[@BILLYRFCNO1]

@@9sheri9 what are you watching? this lawyer has been smart and cunning are you educated in common sense

[@greg6924]

Bunch of drunk people on a river with blades on them. What could go wrong?

[@hearmenow909]

Only nick had a blade

[@ralphkramden2089]

Nothing did for the 40 years I tubed this river. Tied the inner tubes of our group together before we got in the water, cut the twine off of the tubes when the float was finished. Thus enabling each individual to carry their tube back to the rental place, or campsite. THAT is WHY we brought knives! No big mystery here, people.

[@myblacklab7]

@@ralphkramden2089 This case has tons of comments that are left by people who obviously don't know anything about the area, tubing, the trial, etc., so thanks for sharing your experience.

[@loganmannke9023]

Kids, don’t drink alcohol. It’s really not what you may think. It gives you nothing, it only steals your mind and being. Quote to live by: Never underestimate how far someone else is willing to go. You would be shocked by what people will do when they’re angry and even more so scared. When your angry you react without thinking, when you’re scared people get hurt far more than when you’re angry.

[@momof1576]

This man has no reason to lie the attorney is wasting time. I’ve been a lawyer for 24 years and would never waste time like this.

[@petalsluv4ink]

I see exactly why he was questioning him. I learned a TON from his testimony. Most specifically those kids were intimidating to everyone around with their unruly and unpredictable behavior.

[@rockstarofredondo]

You’re no lawyer lol.

[@lr8607]

100 percent agree. The trial-long defense strategy of attacking victims who also happen to be witnesses is one with which I disagree, but to some extent I can see why Miu's lawyers are doing it. They've got nothing else to work with. I have to draw the line with this witness, however. He and his wife were not witnesses to the incident itself and only stopped to help someone with a life-threatening wound. There is no legitimate purpose in imputing to this witness some ability to assess a threat or lack thereof. And to seemingly attack him for being mistaken about his own knife was off-the-charts bad, IMO. I was waiting for this lawyer to start suggesting the witness' own knife was used in the stabbings. That's how freaking bad the questioning of him was.

[@pla5730]

😮 why did every single one of the plantiffs lie on the stand!?

[@GorgieClarissa]

@@rockstarofredondo everyone in the youtube comments is a lawyer. except me. i'm on the supreme court

[@Karrotdiff]

Remind me to stay away from this river, sounds like EVERYBODY is drinking and smoking weed.

[@fredvp]

With knives….

[@mollypaintscows]

That’s been going on for decades. My 45 yr old daughter floated down this river in the 90’s. It wasn’t quite as extreme as it is now, as far as the drinking and smoking goes. Times have changed.

[@JessicaMillerG]

It definitely has a reputation as a party river. We moved to the area in the 90s and my parents took my brothers and me that first summer. I was 8 years old. We witnessed beer bongs, women flashing their breasts as we floated by, and a drunken brawl. No surprise my parents never took us again.

[@angelaricottawarriorrose9917]

Sounds more like a swamp!

[@Donna-vh5ym]

​@fredvp // Unfortunately, this is everywhere, not just Apple River.

[@chartmann43]

They’re asking these witnesses questions about statements they made 2 years ago after a drunken, traumatic day on a River. Then they wonder why they don’t remember. Lmao! 🤣

[@TeddyBear-ii4yc]

They usually give you your statement here to refresh your memory. Specially if it was a long time ago. (UK) It avoids you looking shifty giving evidence! 🙂

[@Aromapablo]

Omg this lawyer is putting everyone to sleep

[@Clarice-rp7mh]

This is how court works. This is not a movie.

[@Raquel-ry5ry]

"I wasn't drunk. I was fairly drinking" 😂 right after 6 beers is fairly drinking.

[@candykane4271]

In Wisconsin….its pretty normal.

[@1gunsalute101]

depends. If he was all there all day (6 hours) then he would hardly have any alcohol in his system

[@debidehm9129]

To me being on a river tubing and drinking seems dangerous. Not just because of what happened here, but also the chance of drowning. When I tube others in my group have had drinks, I personally don’t.

[@mollypaintscows]

They actually have a separate inner tube just for the beer. Seriously. That tube is tied to another tube that a person is sitting in.

[@rockstarofredondo]

@@mollypaintscowsgross

[@mollypaintscows]

@@rockstarofredondo it’s not gross. A cooler sitting in an inner tube that’s tied to another inner tube is not gross. Gross is having the inner tube covered in puke, or someone else’s melted sunscreen, or blood from a cut.

[@lr8607]

Statistics show that drinking is a risk factor for drowning. However, being alone is a greater risk factor. None of these people were alone that day.

[@kerri-lynbryant293]

Yeh but they were only in about a foot of water.

[@bluestarlily1354]

I would like to see the officers recording of Robertos Baldazo interview.

[@DreamHomeAppraisals]

Right! The same day statement sure makes it sound like he was a little threatened as well when he found the snorkel. Very interesting.

[@MiMi-tj5zf]

You better believe if I came upon a scene of a mob of people in chaos with some apparently hurt I would have any weapon near ready as I assessed the situation. Common sense. Especially with your family.

[@MarkG-h2y]

@@DreamHomeAppraisals Like he said, why would he feel threatened standing next to a police officer?

[@hoidoei941]

@@MiMi-tj5zf Something todays snowflakes in the comments don’t understand. These scumbag kids found out the hard way. Fun was immediately over when they got reality checked.

[@leaharchambault5796]

“ I would have any weapon near ready as I assessed the situation. Common sense. Especially with your family.” Just so you know, statistically, having any weapon; gun, knife etc. you are far more likely to have the weapon taken from you and used against you. Americans have trouble understanding this, having a weapon does not make you safer.

[@bustorobusto6316]

I’ve never seen a trial with so many people lying or changing their statements this is so crazy

[@erinjordan6972]

Right? But let’s keep enabling them…and G forbid anyone should get charged for clearly UNDERAGE drinking!

[@brennengodeen3796]

Agreed but the start of the trial date is 1.5 years following the incident so I can understand why their memories and recollections are distorted or inaccurate from original statements. I think the courts should prioritize and triage cases while being cognizant of the degree charges and starting to trial as close to the event date as soon as possible. I can also understand why someone would have a distorted memory during a high stress or traumatic event. I cannot typically recall what I had for dinner last week the exact date the meal was made. I don’t know but is there any reason why this trial started this long after the events occurred? I appreciate any insight provided and I predict that evidence collection, recovery from injuries and obtaining legal counsel contribute to the answer. I would also think that the general court schedule and availability of resources and appropriate staff would effect this as well. Most businesses, manufacturers and etc. are short staffed and hiring so I anticipate that as well. Thank you in advance for your input.

[@kathymurray-lu7tc]

It's human, and we are cruel selfish, mean calculating, deceitful, malicious, cunning, hateful, and a slew of other unflattering adjectives.... Jesus died because he knew we would at some point in our lives display and act out human characteristics... Let's support and elevate one another, in Jesus name...

[@dirtyfrench2926]

​@@erinjordan6972Right, the one kid's bar owner dad admitted on the stand he tried to 'limit the amount' of alcohol the teens brought.

[@trailrunner925]

Well, the thing is, ALL memory is "reconstructive"...... it's not like our brains are camera's that record perfectly. And a year and a half later, with all the publicity, interviews, etc.... that gets encoded into memory also.... so during recall, it's impossible to keep all of those pieces discreet, independent recalls.

[@jeremysaxx]

Lawyer is showing that it is common to carry and lose a knife while tubbing in that river. When they say Mui tried to ditch his knife to hide his crime the lawyer can point out that it was an accident just like this guy lost his knife that same day as well. Also what happened to the video the women in the green bikini took on her phone??

[@PHILIPJONES-rx8hs]

If the defendent was in texas, this would not have even gone to court, the guy was standing his ground, he was confronted by a gang of drunk teenagers calling him a pedo, and pushing him around and then a 2nd group get involved, English is not his 1st language, 1 minute he's looking for a friend's lost phone, the next he's being harrased from every side by strangers, saying he's out to find "little girls" If the weapon he pulled was a pistol they would of left him alone immediately, but they didn't see the blade and treated him like a toy for their drunken amusement, I'm extremely sorry that someone, and especially a young person lost his life, but the poor guy was in a situation where he had little to no choice but to defend himself. The 1st time I saw the video I thought it was a clear case of 2nd degree, but having seen it in the context of the situation, it's self defence all day long.

[@kangajack2]

Amen

[@KatrinaDancer]

Didn't he run at the teenagers 1st though and not only grab their tunes but also their legs?! If it didn't start like that I would agree with you but he touched them 1st.

[@mattralenkotter2370]

Hey guess what. You were wrong.

[@mrx2586]

Wrong on all counts.

[@JNubski]

Hey buddy, he came up to them while they were still sitting in their rafts. Grabbed a hold of a female and said he was looking for a little girl. It’s in the actual video, then proceeds to punch a girl after told to leave multiple times so buddy punched him and pushed him he got up swinging a knife stabbing everyone.. how does 4 people get stabbed but only 2 people touched him, one pushing him away trying to break it up?

[@lisal2018]

Stop treating him like he is on trial.

[@SP_A_C_E_D]

He isn't. He reconciling the difference between memory testimony and the police reports. Its for the jury.

[@jamesgibson3582]

A 1st responder would typically do something like 'left, right up, down, thugs drugs, fire, wire' to do a threat assessment...it doesn't mean you are expecting a fight. The whole idea of how far you can see without glasses was moot, the point is they saw something that looked like a party and went over. Where the knife went, I dont understand the extended knife questions though. The stabbing had already occurred. But yes, typical lawyer stuff for the jury.

[@CR38]

@@jamesgibson3582 what is there not to get ? in his first statement he said someone that was heated was approaching him ( he doesn't remember now) + at one point he himself had a knife, that got lost. there are enough reasons to question this guy on this matter.

[@mz6504]

Stop it……this isn’t about alcohol…..it’s about testosterone and freaking out for no reason…..

[@lisamcbarron6047]

It's quite obvious that this witness has not been "being coached"...he really cannot remember verbatim what his statements were to the police that day two yrs ago....

[@whatstheword1478]

He can see the same as not being intoxicated after 6 to 7 beers.😂

[@keli449]

Oh so these kids came to this guy as well, filming and talking s*** to him. Hum...

[@Laura-te1sk]

See…another guy who carries a knife.

[@Meowser186]

Amazing 2 out of 50? By the way a pocket knife is not the kind of knife your friend was stabbing people with. His butcher knife was also razor shard to split a gut open. Mum's knife was not a Boy Scout knife used to whittle willows for the campfire. .

[@piitii8141]

@@Meowser186 it was a foldable knife His friend testified he had asked the guy to bring it to help cut rope

[@philthecook001]

​@@Meowser186dude that was most definitely a pocket folding knife. Butcher knife? Wtf?

[@PsychedelicArchaea]

@@philthecook001 these people are delusional. It was a pretty standard pocket knife. Oh and this just in, knives are sharp. Who knew.

[@RobiePezzos]

@@Meowser186bruh stop you’re going over the limit. I carry a utility knife are you gonna wet your pants?

[@Crazycat4me]

I can't stand this attorney, he acts like a rookie.

[@fredliperson9171]

He's the same rookie attorney who got that American Hero "Kyle Rittenhouse" off ...Rookie attorneys don't make 2 grand an hour 😂 Smh

[@DreamHomeAppraisals]

Far from a rookie. He is a battle tested, very reputable WI attorney. As well as Nationally known for defending Rittenhouse. He did very well crossing this states witness. This guy also pulled and lost HIS knife and felt threatened by the mob. A pretty good flip for the defense.

[@Cecil-hotel]

@@fredliperson9171 yeah he isn’t a rookie. The video got Rittenhouse off. Yay! This guy I hope is found guilty although overcharged

[@wolke1955]

This terrible attorney was Kyle Rittenhouse his attorney to, who killed 2 people with his AR 15. Rittenhouse got free because of so called self defense 🤢

[@arsdelicata]

​@@fredliperson9171Kyle got himself off when he testified.

[@angelicazozaya3728]

So many questions I can’t find the relevance to the case ?! He lost his knife , it was chaotic 20 million questions for same thing

[@lyndajamrozik4786]

I was surrounded by drunk angry neighbors a few years ago. It was a backyard wedding and the party clearly was out of control by about 11:45 pm. Two of the partygoers had assaulted my husband in the street because he was filming the unruly scene on his iPad. The angry young group were in my face screaming and yelling . I was speaking calmly . The bride’s mother ran up to me and pushed me . I told the group “ hey - you can say whatever you want to me but you CANNOT touch me.” So in my opinion - I was surrounded by many young angry intoxicated people but WORDS would never provoke me to hit anyone. I was 56 at the time and I’m a blonde white woman 5 ft 2 and 130 pounds. It was very stressful and upsetting but I did stand my ground . I was pushed but continued to speak firmly and advocate for my rights. Had to call 911 three times before the police came (Chicago) A bad night .

[@EricParisen-hy9wu]

Exactly you have control. Drinks kids don’t. Use judgement and call the cops. Handling it by yourself only ends worse

[@gehudon]

You don’t need to stand your ground!!! Mind your damn business and go home!

[@helloshiny8475]

what is it with this place where people drink and play in the water? mate those things don't mix,

[@candykane4271]

OMG the alcohol gets its own tube.

[@anneamus]

Wisconsin. More brandy consumed per capita than anywhere in the world. Sad/gross.

[@myblacklab7]

While it is possible to find entertainment in Wisconsin, the general vibe of most small towns in the upper Midwest is deadly boring, and I do mean "deadly," because so many people get into trouble with drugs and alcohol, since there is nothing else to do, and some of them end up dying because of it. The Apple River has been a party spot for decades - it sounds fun, actually, although now it's probably over-policed due to all the publicity surrounding this trial.

[@joanmcdonald3176]

It seems that everyone that went tubing that day was drinking alcohol except for the stabber's wife. Alcohol, water, knives....what could possibly go wrong ?

[@bigbrudda96]

You forgot to add, stupid kids who act childish and slap people in the face

[@dilatedvision7014]

If everyone is chill nothing but when you have a group yelling and instigating then someone could end up hurt or dead lol

[@Lorian7748GenXr]

That is also known as Tuesday in Wisconsin. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@ralphkramden2089]

Nothing. Nothing ever did the 40 years I tubed that river. Now, punk ass bully kids with no compassion for others…there ya go!

[@AsterTheStarKid]

The common denominator of this whole case is intoxication regarding alcohol and the admittance from witnesses and victims that some were also under the influence of marijuana despite being only 17 years old.

[@michaelbanks2401]

Jesus everybody's carrying knives and nobody's fishing

[@mshirar]

@@iliketocomment8144the entire stabbing is on video. Obviously not each exact hit but this guy hasn’t even come down the river yet. It’s absurd to suggest he was a second stabber.

[@brianjansen3103]

I work in a bar where the regulars get drunk daily & nothing bad happens, all the bad stuff happens at night when the younger crowd comes in, there are exceptions to everything but I've seen a trend I can't ignore

[@Unbridled13]

Some of you have never floated the river and it shows. 😂

[@honeybadger1847]

I’ve never floated that particular river, but I floated and kayaked the Truckee in northern Nevada for decades. Stopped when the drunks became unmanageable.

[@rockstarofredondo]

Would not be proud to participate in this obviously alcoholic activity.

[@ImJamieX]

I have :) nothing to fear on ours except drowning. roughly 100ft wide and 6-8ft deep in most places, no way anyone gonna rush on me or start shit haha

[@colinemler2356]

@@rockstarofredondobelieve it or not chillin in a tube and having a few brews dosent make you an alcoholic

[@jennifermarie3158]

@@rockstarofredondo Sounds like you live a lame life

[@terrykellen6715]

Has SIX BEERS. "Im slightly buzzed"

[@SylvanFosters]

One thing I hope the jury is paying attention to-in other parts of the trial if an attorney asks a witness something and then after asking says something to the effect “if it says ….” and refers to something in writing, they are referring to a transcript of a deposition. In a deposition there is generally a court reporter there typing every word and there is often an audio recording as well. However, in 9:01 when the attorney says “if it says….” He’s not referring to the transcript of a deposition, he’s referring to notes a police officer wrote. There’s a huge difference between the two. A police officer is not expected to write everything down word-for-word. And this attorney is referring to the officer’s notes, not a transcript of the officer’s body cam video (if they were wearing one).

[@HereForTheComments990]

True. But the notes written down by police ARE admissible and considered evidence.

[@chrise.321]

Yet police notes can be misinterpreted. Neighbor said the male victim had a young girl spend the weekend with him several weeks ago. That girl was his adult daughter visiting for Christmas. Trials are a jigsaw puzzle; you have to put many small pieces together to find what is most likely true.

[@yolandawilson6619]

He's doing it on purpose

[@yolandawilson6619]

​@@HereForTheComments990Doesn't mean they're correct.

[@SylvanFosters]

@@yolandawilson6619 You mean the attorney? If so, I agree. I think by using the same format of question by saying “if it says here…” he is trying to get the jury to forget that the written document he is referring to is simply police notes and not a transcript of a deposition.

[@gregbaehring1656]

Thank you for your content.

[@The5MTrader]

Ban alcohol form your life Americans.

[@willong1000]

Yeah, tried that once--it didn't work out too well--took another constitutional amendment to fix it!

[@lorivanderhaden2851]

@@willong1000 Ban all religions!

[@imalwaysrite123]

​@@willong1000 um they are saying voluntary ban it from your lives not legally ban it..

[@BS-dq1kz]

Where do you live? Just curious.

[@willong1000]

@@imalwaysrite123 Thanks, but I get that the comment likely referred to individuals. I responded the way I did in an attempt to make a point about the prohibitor mentality in general. No need to ban something, even individually, if a person enjoys and uses responsibly. And, though I have swung from an Independent (who definitely leans Libertarian) to Conservative out of political necessity, I even feel that way about hard drugs contrary to the position of most on the Right.

[@keli449]

The man on the stand told police that the kids also filmed and said shi**ty stuff but now he says he did not say this, though it was recorded by the police. I think he is changing his mind because a q7 year old died.

[@Candyliz2003]

So many commenting on this horrific situation want to give a self defense pass to a man who murdered A kid, stabbed 4 more, and started the entire melee by assaulting A woman for YELLING AT HIM. What witnesses say now or at the time of the incident are secondary to what we all saw in the video and pictures. Are you really going to allow the victim of teasing or taunting to MURDER, assault, or destroy property because of "feelings"? So, if a woman says mean things to you you get to beat her up? If your teenaged child sasses you and embarrasses you can shoot them?

[@linkjourney422]

Well a group of young individuals unprovoked, started calling a stranger a pedophile, got in his face, and starting to punch, slap, and push said individual into the water which could have resulted in him being drowned.

[@briancosgrove3261]

​@linkjourney422 unprovoked??? Did you even watch anything? He stabbed a woman in the back and the guy who stopped the fight they were from different groups. If a bunch of young people started taunting you, would you leave or pull out a knife and smile????

[@colleenfletcher2550]

@linkjourney22, the brother retaliated after his sister Maddy was slapped by Mui.

[@rockstarofredondo]

It’s a self-defense case so🤷🏼‍♀️

[@tsunamiiwinterz-px7oz]

Maybe they did it for the culture??

[@celticfreckles2570]

I remember filing a police report once and when I read the report afterwards they documented the opposite of what I said. Some people should not be a police officer if they don't know how to listen or document correctly.

[@CKing-388]

I agree with this statement 100%. Police embellish, leave things out, etc. once my friend got in an altercation. Showed up at my door. I told police I had tried to call her mother but couldn’t get ahold of her. They put in the statement that I said I had called her mother and she didn’t want to come get her. That is not what I said at all. For example.

[@codyweisbrod4080]

Is this the one where all those kids were harassing that man and he finally had enough and stabbed that kid? That was a bad situation

[@lr8607]

This must be a different case. This case involves five people getting stabbed. One was a minor (17), and he was killed. The other victims were adults and they survived being attacked.

[@codyweisbrod4080]

@@lr8607 something popped up on my phone yesterday about a guy at the river with a bunch of what looked like drunk teens. Of course all it showed was them picking on him and all of a sudden someone was stabbed and now he's on trial apparently

[@tansywelsh1636]

Killed one and stabbed I think 4 others. Some pretty bad injuries. I don't understand why he didn't show them the knife and tell them to just back off. He hid the knife and held it to do major damage.

[@tansywelsh1636]

Yep , this is it. Started out with teenagers. Asking him what he was doing but he just glared at them and didn't answer them. Then he was grabbing their tubes and going under them and I think they felt quite uncomfortable with that. That's where the pedofile came from that they were yelling. Then older adults got involved and were telling him to just leave (with screaming and cuss words).. He ended up slapping a girl across her face and that's when it really got bad. He ended up killing a 17 year old right through the heart. The others I think were in their early 20's but he got them too. Really bad wounds.

[@codyweisbrod4080]

@@tansywelsh1636 just doesn't end well for anyone

[@Steven-kl6lh]

Everybody lying about how much they had to drink..."uh I had a couple.... maybe two or three"..

[@CaraMills0106]

After this event is over and police are talking to witnesses, I would think people are closer to telling their honest truths than 24 months after the event.

[@BS-dq1kz]

Absolutely.

[@aerynstormcrow]

The problem is, and I’ve been in a similar situation, that your “perception” of the event right after is very dependent on your fight or flight. Meaning you are so keyed up that you may perceive more people or more danger than was actually there. Later, when you are calm and not afraid/keyed up, you can look back on the incident for what it actually was and realize you may have overreacted. So what these people said at first vs what actually happened and they are saying now can vary greatly due to clear heads.

[@ctr6051]

Facts come out after time.. not immediately after said circumstances occur.

[@joeb2650]

​@aerynstormcrow you've said that multiple times now 😂

[@allanfranklin9615]

​@@aerynstormcrow You mean if you are drunk, your perception of reality might be skewed? This guy says he cant remember if he pulled his knife, doesn't remember if he cut a sandwich bag open, can't see clearly without his glasses, but after 24 months he has had time to think about it and come up with this story. I wouldn't believe anything he said, other than he was drunk.

[@gregpipe069]

This dude has seen absolutely nothing...smh...waste of time.

[@jetto234]

I don’t get the point of this?

[@9edu10]

You see know why alcohol is prohibited in islam?

[@SirHorned19]

Because those people are already insane enough.

[@rolacook222]

Doesn’t remember anything specifically, had a buzz from drinking, can’t see anything, runs & trips cutting himself with his own knife, but knows he wasn't drunk? Yep, sounds good to me.

[@Jah18769]

You’ve never been on a river, clearly lol

[@rolacook222]

@@Jah18769 Not with a bunch a bunch of drunks, you got that part right! What is it, a right of passage, gotta get drunk to float the rivers in Wisconsin?

[@larsvonrinpoche1229]

An assault in water would be much different than on ground. The sounds, the ability to move etc. No one can say what scares another. No one. So dont harass anyone. Ever. Why make someone upset? Regardless of the law, life has consequences. No matter what happens with this case.. lives are altered. Live better. That's all.

[@lisamcfarland8518]

Can someone tell me if it is legal for a defense attorney to misinterpret a police statement or frame it to him is own needs, beyond what was actually said?

[@American-gs4bt]

No, not illegal. It's an argument. They can argue all they want.

[@jamie.777]

Kyle Rittenhouse lawyer is disgusting 🫣

[@CaraMills0106]

The judge often repeats " that everything the lawyers say is not evidence".

[@thenightporter]

I heard him say that and he needs to explain exactly what he means by that, in what context? @@CaraMills0106

[@tsunamiiwinterz-px7oz]

Only allowed if its for the culture

[@wm3138]

Another witness trying to change his original story to the police.

[@dg5175]

I don't know why I'm tearing up right now. Its just so horrific. And I don't know whether to be disappointed in the teens taunting or the man who stabbed those kids. Either way, violence is never the answer. Why did he have a knife on him anyway? That poor teen who lost his life. It's just so sad how he died.

[@beowulf_of_wall_st]

most of the guys on that river would have had a knife in their pocket, it's wisconsin and they're outside.

[@dg5175]

@@beowulf_of_wall_st everyone does because of what they're doing. It's not intended for stabbing though

[@lordw9609]

Someone who's prepared to defend their life when someone attacks them apparently. The old adage goes: Better to have it and not need it, then need it and not have it. If you attack someone with force or even threat of force, doesn't matter your age, doesn't matter your choice of weapon (hands in this case), your victim has the right to self defense and your demise is your own doing.

[@dg5175]

@lordw9609 Well he's guilty.

[@lordw9609]

@dg5175 They'll appeal. There's no evidence showing he did anything but defend his own life. The witnesses all lied on the stand and anyone who listened to them can see that.

[@jayess6318]

Instant A$$$$$hole, just add alcohol! Drinking outside of the house is not on my radar. Reason is when things go wrong, even if you did everything right, they will question you if you had been drinking. Better to say, NO! Having one or two drinks with family and close friends inside your home is not going to ruin your life!

[@lilaworley8935]

I actually followed this trial from day one and have watched the video evidence multiple times frame by frame. Slow motion. Then listen to the witness testimony without YOUR bias about teenagers or your perceptions of self defense. Paint the picture.... Groups of people are floating in the water. Random strange man keeps coming way too close for comfort to a group of 17 year old KIDS. (at 17 we are not emotionally or even physically developed so save the idea these were fully matured human beings) He keeps getting close and acting strange and not saying anything. As the group of boys starts to get loud and rowdy and heckle him... This drinking man rushed at them and put hands on the boys. Another random group... A family...of adults...including a man that is older... is witnessing this and the women go over to try to assert boundaries and tell this weird man to respect people's personal space and get away from the rowdy teens. ANOTHER group is also witnessing it and feels the man is weird and out of line as well. EVERYONE including the man...his friends and wife...the teenagers and the family group and a group of younger adults in the water- have had some beers or alcohol. Including the defendant as testified by his wife who also said he drinks daily after work (you have to listen to the testimony). HE struck a woman in the face. THEN he was pushed down. HE was aggressive and intimidating. HE left the scene. He wasn't scared.... He walked away. Watch his face in slow motion. Look at his eyes and body posture. He wanted to use his knife. He had it out before anyone pushed him. He left. Got rid of evidence. Lied to the authorities. If he was SO scared... Why didn't he run to them and tell them what happened. You haven't studied this case and so all you see is "disrespectful teenagers" When this man gutted someone that wasn't even in the group of teens. This wasn't self defense. What's crazy is trying to justify what this man did BEFORE any of them put hands on him. He was disorderly and totally crossing the line. Then ran away and lied. People that have a justified self defense case... Don't walk away and hide the weapon. Put this man in prison. He's not right in the head.

[@tonystevenson26]

No evidence he struck that loud mouth blonde

[@briancosgrove3261]

It's crazy no one sees this. They must have had easy lives. I have seen a lot of violence growing up and can tell when someone is looking for trouble. People act like 13, 200 pound men jumped this old guy and were punching him and drowning him that's what I keep seeing in the comments.

[@JohnMoran]

Well that was an exercise in bias descriptions.

[@briancosgrove3261]

@@JohnMoran how give me an example

[@lilaworley8935]

@@JohnMoran right. Try to focus on the content. Refute it..... I'll wait

[@zojairam]

I’ve seen various of the testimonials of the people taking the stand, and i cannot understand the line of questioning or how this questions are related to the main issue, or weather or not this man acted in self defense. They are reading a lot in between lines, and asking the wrong questions.

[@bryanlee8304]

or.... you're just not even close to being intelligent enough to understand why they're doing that

[@BobSmith-xe8we]

I don't think there has been one person that has testified on behalf of them punk kids that has told the truth. What they said that day and now what they say in court is playing it down how them drunk animals were acting that day. One of them kids parents or maybe all of them have money and have tild witnesses if they lie and play down there kids aggression that day they will pay them off goid money is what it seems to me whats happened

[@headleygrange6205]

Im from Wisconsin. The drinking culture and rate of alcoholics who are in denial about their condition is OUTRAGEOUS. Others have said drinking is a pastime there...they arent wrong, believe me

[@celticfreckles2570]

Isn't that an area that was founded by Germans and Norwegians? Us Irish Americans would like to know LOL

[@anneamus]

Wisconsin has highest rate of alcohol consumption.

[@piper_lori-williams-tudhope]

Slightly buzzed?! Everyone there was inebriated!

[@andylindberg6243]

I ain't drunk, I just been drinkin'.

[@burtgundy796]

It can work like that

[@vickinielsen3810]

I agree I'd like to see charges dropped or lessened. I so wish you could take his case. Please keep us posted on this. Poor guy .He was physically shaken .

[@Root1966]

One thing I’m learning from this trial is regardless if you personally have some involvement in a event or if you’re just a witness to it, don’t talk to Police. You’re going to essentially be put on trial yourself for simply trying to help.

[@jefftaylor844]

Terrible witness. He's contradicting most of his statement he gave to police.

[@Slippery-Stan-Miracle-Man]

If a group of people surrounds a person and physically assaults them, that person has the right to use physical violence to protect themselves. This man’s life was in danger.

[@hearmenow909]

BS

[@jenniferray3870]

He was the one who hit first. No one had hit him until he hit her. They all played apart in this kids death but miu brought out a knife into a fist fight. So he is guilty of killing one and almost killing 4 others.

[@garylee12345]

​@hearmenow909 your mentally ill

[@garylee12345]

​@jenniferray3870 your mentally ill

[@garylee12345]

Agreed %100 ! After being hit to the point of falling backwards into the river then hit in the face while down , At that point he had every right to defend himself by all & any means ! Noone got stuck until they tried again to lay hands on him. They actually did & got stuck for it ! These nitwits commenting the opposite are making a future in this state that will give you life in prison for defending yourself !! What a bunch of re......ta....rds !!! 💯

[@bobwilson758]

There are probably about 67 men’s pocket knives in the swim hole by now ! 😮 o dear !

[@danb6838]

And....200 one hitters! 😆

[@julesfromsydney]

No doubt he was bullied, no doubt he was harassed, no doubt of pack mentality behaviour that put the accused in a position of self-defense and there is no doubt that bullying/harassment caused the escalation of this crime. The accused is not guilty of murder he did not go out there with an intent to kill anyone. This case will come down to self defense and whether the jury believes the actions of the accused were reasonable/not excessive or unreasonable and excessive after reviewing all of the evidence. In considering a self defense plea what will be most scrutinised here is the accused's actions after the fact and the jurys decision will come down to how they view that. They may consider a lesser charge of manslaughter based on the evidence. Laws are certainly flawed and right or wrong it will all come down to this. The best that can come from this case is that it is used in schools to highlight the dangers of bullying/harassment. Further awareness of these toxic behaviours needs to be taught in schools and at home.

[@puppy2haley]

So why is he a witness???? He doesn’t remember much of anything?? 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

[@burtgundy796]

Because he had assisted the young man that got killed, watch the whole video lame-O.

[@keli449]

He also told police that some kids came at him yelling profanity and filming him, now after knowing a kid died he changed his story.

[@HaVoKisthebetterSuMmErS]

Were his actions INTENT on causing fatal bodily injury? Was he in danger of a reasonably clear and present immediate physical threat to life or limb? These are basically the 2 questions the jury is being asked to decide, thats the reality of this case

[@dkg249]

Imo, yes to the first question and no to the second.

[@HereForTheComments990]

@@dkg249 I agree with you. I think he provoked this entire altercation and hoped to cover his a** with a stand your ground plea. He might get away with it - the video certainly sets him up well to make that self-defense plea. But his actions and statements after the attack really undercut his plea.

[@davidblankenship2720]

Was the knife a fixed blade? Or a lock blade? It looked to be a lock blade. When did he open it.? That would indicate he planned on using IT....

[@BANN763]

@@davidblankenship2720 in the video you can see him holding it blade edge up for maximum damage as he is standing in front of the girls. he then waves his friend over and smles very weird. then attacks the first girl. he planned on maximum damage with that knife and he executed that plan with better precision then ive seen in some movies.5 people in seconds

[@islandultra]

@@HereForTheComments990yeah i'm not buying that sale, someone who is defending themselves reacts like KR. they do not hide the weapon, lie to police, and pretend to not know what they had done.

[@macubaxx87]

The video says it all. Self defence. This should be shown in all colleges. Learn to respect your elders. Its sad that a life was lost. But this was just straight up bullying.

[@liarliar7491]

So are you saying getting disemboweled or murdered is appropriate punishment for bullying?

[@macubaxx87]

@@liarliar7491 Watch the video again. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[@candykane4271]

I agree, I am probably biased but I’ve tubed the river several times, wrong group in front or behind you and it’s a nightmare. It’s gotten worse over the years ….Fights, yelling, drunk is the norm and underage drinking.

[@fakename6658]

​@@liarliar7491in this case, yes.

[@keli449]

​@@liarliar7491no one is saying that, understand if you don't want to be a victim you need to defend yourself, it's either you or me. How would you feel if this was your 52 year old dad?.

[@Clarice-rp7mh]

Fight or flight can cause short term memory loss right after the time of the event. Sometimes memories will flood your brain hours after the event.

[@crimegeek]

This case makes me realize how fast one man stabbed four innocent people like Bryan Kohberger allegedly did.

[@ca5400]

But in this case the teens were not innocent.

[@THXx1138]

Miu stabbed 5 people

[@ca5400]

@@THXx1138 the "mob" that was punching and pushing niks head into the water.

[@crimegeek]

@@THXx1138 thank you for that correction. Seems even worse now though.

[@crimegeek]

@@ca5400 not innocent in what claim?

[@Stolaz83]

This guy was sauced that day and he still acted more respectable than miu

[@l-train7876]

When was Miu disrespectful?

[@Stolaz83]

@@l-train7876 you've made 100 comments on this case. Go touch grass weirdo

[@patricianab6546]

Well this guy wasn’t been verbally assaulted by a group of guys.

[@Stolaz83]

@@l-train7876 guilty

[@BakerHull]

Nobody can recall exactly what happened or what they said to police 2 years ago but they all know emphatically now on the witness stand they didn't do or say anything that sounds kinda bad or aggressive on their part.

[@Sassyquatch1020]

I wonder if these witnesses were subpoenaed or if they volunteered to testify. Cause it just seems like these innocent bystanders are getting dug into like they have anything to do with the attack.

[@bustorobusto6316]

This is how court works you don’t volunteer you are demanded to appear under threat of criminal contempt charges. Not exactly fair but we couldn’t have important witnesses just decide they don’t want to come when the stakes are so high

[@myblacklab7]

@@bustorobusto6316 Could you direct me to the rule that requires all witnesses to be subpoenaed in a criminal case in Wisconsin? I know that you don't need to subpoena all witnesses for every case, but now you've got me curious as to whether there is a "subpoena all witnesses" rule for criminal cases in Wisconsin. It seems odd that they would subpoena expert witnesses, but I guess anything is possible.

[@bustorobusto6316]

@@myblacklab7 I’m saying it’s not a voluntary basis. If the state or defense needs a witness they will require them to testify. My point is its not optional, I never said they subpoena everyone.

[@triciac1019]

Good testimony. He is very articulate. The defense is very good. Good questions and way they ask them. They are quite thorough.

[@bobbi1972]

The Apple River is notorious for its shenanigans….Unfortunately this doesn’t surprise me at all….

[@haleym1985]

1) these lawyers have NEVER “floated the river” or “been floatin” as us southerns in MS may say. 2) it would be considered ignorant to not have some sort of sharp knife on you when floating…… and to keep on your person the ENTIRE TIME! Exhibit A: ALL rivers are moving bodies of water that are ever changing! Limbs, trees that have fallen/been cut, and debris constantly move and shift! People unfortunately get stuck and sucked under by currents every year!! That knife could assist in cutting away small limbs, tangled up vines, ropes, etc. Exhibit B: SNAKES Exhibit C: potential threats to yourself or your family or even innocent bystanders by drunken idiots that just want to start a scene!

[@director2bob]

I didn't get into trouble every time I drank, but EVERY time I got into trouble I was drinking. That's a fact. Yeah, of course there were good times getting drunk with friends, the parties, concerts, the drunken hookups which helped me get laid, and plenty of good times. But as we get older & wiser we learn alcohol is a terrible drug, damages every organ in the body, kills thousands of people every year from liver failure & health related diseases, plus DWIs kill thousands of INNOCENT people . If you do drink, make sure you understand the long term consequences of what this drug (poison) does to your body and the bad situations you may find yourself in from being intoxicated. I sure hope younger people are watching this trial learn a lesson in life that getting drunk with friends which of course is fun, can also lead to some horrible situations that can ruin your life. Like I said every time I drank I did not get into trouble but EVERY time I got into trouble I was drinking.

[@myblacklab7]

Wise words. I'd say alcohol is about as dangerous as pharmaceutical fentanyl. Illegal fentanyl is probably more dangerous, but only because it's hard for users to measure proper dosages with illegal fentanyl, and so there are tons of accidental O.D.'s.

[@timothythomas8082]

That's odd and a contradiction to say, "I don't remember saying that ", when answering the guestion of whether or not you told the cop that the one guy was "threatening and seemed like he wanted to attack me, so I just threw the snorkel at him", when we heard him clearly state just minutes earlier that as soon as he plucked it from the river, he gave it to the officer standing next to him. 🤔

[@ericdahl2915]

Was there anyone there that day who was NOT drinking?

[@Dknight2818]

Floating down a river in a tube is a drinking event.. lol

[@Meowser186]

Yes, there was one lady-witness who indicated she had an alcohol problem and had stopped drinking period long before the river float. She was a sober as the Judge during the knife stabbing. .

[@kkrenken895]

I am surprised at how many holier-than-thou non drinkers are in this audience. Really??

[@CT-vm4gf]

Yes, the murderers wife was drinking water.

[@theeggtimertictic1136]

Yes ... the fish.

[@Gq793000]

Lawyers are idiots spent 20 minutes asking the same shit about a knife. He is better than me, Id got frustrated and been like im not on trial so get to the point. or im done answering questions.

[@AMYV3]

First ..Its a couple years ago Then think about how chaotic it was …stab victims everywhere …his wife running into the middle of it… his kids are there to keep safe .. the last thing he’s thinking about is tripping and where his knife is. No one said he had it out..etc. remember he didn’t see any of what happened during the crime they showed up after to try and save this young man’s/a child still life !! The only way the defence could turn this witness around is to make him out to be a lair. That’s the defences tactic for everyone. Hopefully the jury is smart enough to see that’s what he’s doing. Most of which doesn’t mean a THING!!! What does it matter how much he drank. He wasn’t giving testimony of what happened when it matters. And really the knife too. Who cares it wasn’t a part of this trial. The only thing they can do with most of these innocent witnesses is make them out to be liars. BUT ITS BEEN TWO YEARS. again it was a horrible chaotic scene. You try to remember EXACTLY which words you used.

[@kkrenken895]

Thank you

[@BlessedTruly2014]

Man court is GRUELING.. the questions, the accusations, I pray I never go through something like this ever, any kind of court

[@CruzCruz-nw7fi]

That’s the nurse’s husband

[@Taswolf]

Interesting that this guy carried a knife in the water, also drinking, and also stumbled on rocks, just like the suspect. Maybe not so far fetched after all, then, that the suspect could've stumbled, himself, and had no idea he'd eventually use the knife. Just an observation. I'm not screaming not guilty over that.

[@SirHorned19]

Well, Miu should just have been acquitted on the grounds of self defense. There is no need for any accidents to have happened.

[@freedomofreligion3248]

Police REALLY need to only record witnesses and NOT "transcribe". Because, transcription is a skill very, very few people are good at. Most people add, subtract, change, modify, conclude, etc. Including POLICE. And, I might add here: Especially police. Cops of 50, 40, 30 yrs ago may have been better at "perfect" recall, perhaps not. But, I have noticed there are a lot of instances of police recording wrong statements -- literally WRONG statements, based on what THEY believe is their "superior" understanding of all human interaction.

[@kkrenken895]

Yeah they are just the next people in the game of telephone. Very likely to get it wrong.

[@drewv6852]

Especially considering the cognitive ability of a police officer 😂

[@yolandawilson6619]

Agree+

[@chrisp1355]

Ridiculous to even put this guy on the stand. 6 beers. Can't see well. Can't hear well. How embarrassing.

[@HereForTheComments990]

He was a witness for the defense because of his comments to the police.

[@l-train7876]

@@HereForTheComments990what was his comment to the police?

[@Meowser186]

Agreed, this guy has zero credibility. Defense must be desperate if he is their guy.

[@sunnyd4125]

Needed to be proved in testimony regarding bad eyesight, etc.

[@blushingviolet5928]

Chief Six Beers A Day! 😂😂😂

[@Psychiatricnerd]

“I was slightly buzzed..I was still able to walk and talk and such” 😂 only in Wisconsin.

[@mollypaintscows]

No, no, it’s very common in Minnesota too. 😂

[@Jah18769]

Do you know what buzzed means?

[@ANE48]

Mobs are always dangerous. Then another mob got involved. How could they not revel in their power to control, humiliate & destroy, which they have done!