Prosecution recounts fatal Apple River stabbing

The moments leading up to the fatal Apple River stabbing were reviewed in the prosecution's opening statements.
Nicolae Miu, 54, is facing charges of first-degree intentional homicide for the death of 17-year-old Isaac Schuman and multiple counts of attempted first-degree intentional homicide for his alleged role in the stabbings on July 30, 2022.
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[@bigbad-rl9ol]

This is why I rather stay on my property and just spend time with my dogs people are plum crazy these days.....😢

[@dawnr5158]

I can’t agree with you enough! In all honesty sometimes animals are much better company, they love unconditionally and they don’t argue with you!! I worked on a horse farm for about 10 years and I loved it, I’ll take a job working around animals any day then working around humans!! 😊🙏👍

[@DG-mh1ss]

Exactly. me too. Id rather hand out with my dogs any day all day..

[@duzntmatter5926]

Agee but those ‘kids’ were horrible bullies

[@MichaelJo111]

Diddo!...it's sad you can't just go out and have a good time without drama or go for a nice little drive without some dick trying to cut you off or fly by you at double the speed limit because your doing "The speed limit." It's definitely not like it use to be. Times are changing....and not for the better. I can't stand negative energy, its such a Debbie Downer.

[@k.c.8872]

Agreed

[@SuzeQKnits4997]

Stuff like this is why i am happy to be an introvert and I truly enjoy spending time alone.....

[@Jack-sk2el]

So sorry to hear that, life needs some level of Interaction albeit " Friendly positive interaction. 🤔

[@amyburch3365]

Jack, you don't understand the definition of introvert. We truly prefer being alone. We don't crave human interaction the same way extroverts do. And, for companionship, we usually have pets that we like more than people.

[@Jack-sk2el]

@@amyburch3365 If we choose to isolate, how will society have a future with which to flourish ?

[@tasha3939]

@@amyburch3365introvert here I desire human interactions but there are times when I want to be alone

[@ThatGuy-sc5rx]

​@@Jack-sk2elcities are filled with absolutely desperstely lonely and miserable people. Being among a bunch of people doesnt inherently equal connection. Look at where society is at and headed. I dont think people choosing to withdraw from a sick world are the problem.

[@kealynbosrock9905]

As someone who spent many summers on the Chattahoochee tubing....nothing is worse than a group of drunken tubers.

[@mangos2888]

I've been to the Chattahoochee and the Apple River. The Apple River is a lot calmer and more shallow.

[@carolbohm9654]

And egotistical old white men.

[@kimsmith6342]

Maybe a creepy pervert punching woman stabbing kids for mocking him?

[@lifeofbru8929]

I could think of a few things worse...

[@kealynbosrock9905]

@@lifeofbru8929 well then you've obviously never seen Deliverance.

[@ZAKKAZZ]

So the underage children being drunk and assaulting this guy have zero consequences for their actions??

[@Jeannette0890]

Correct

[@codyashley1059]

Wow he killed someone and ran he is a cowered and the fact that u are trying to defend him shows your true colors could have been handled without a knife their kids

[@AverageAmericanPersonYT]

@@codyashley1059 its called self defense plus most of them arent kids

[@wesleyferreira9610]

Revoltante isso foi legítima defesa só se defendeu dos agressor

[@diane4537]

The punk kids asked for big trouble! Ganging up on one man! They should have left him alone! He was just looking for a lost item.

[@pineywoodsriders2184]

Apple river has a long history of drunken fights. My friends and I narrowly escaped a situation on that river when we were young. Never went back. To many crazy people

[@ABDULLAH86SA]

You mean crazy Karen's and rednecks

[@slappy8941]

TO many? Is that the same as "from few"? 😂😂😂 JFC...

[@ukmedicfrcs]

KZbin has a long history of fights as well. Just look at the comments here. 🙄

[@MarceliousLavante]

@@slappy8941 I bet you have tons of friends.

[@MarceliousLavante]

@@ukmedicfrcsstfu and show us your bobz

[@NosActivated420]

There's an old saying, you can spend a few seconds getting into trouble but a life time trying to get out of it. Don't mess with people you don't know.

[@myblacklab7]

Heck, don't mess with people you do know.

[@taxxzempt3576]

The people I know seem worse then those who I do not know! Ya feel me?

[@myblacklab7]

@@google_is_a_criminal I dunno. Didn't he silently approach them, then grab kids in the boat for no apparent reason? It's a weird case, but I wouldn't rush to judgment so quickly.

[@TGravy-wp4rc]

​@@myblacklab7yea they didn't watch the video before commenting as most don't I realize...

[@victormaldonado4591]

@@TGravy-wp4rcyeah this guy is a murderer

[@raeraebadfingers]

This is just one of the many reasons I don't associate with drunks. Been dealing with my drunk ass family far too long to know what could go wrong.

[@MZ-mu6om]

You have wisdom. Really good to hear that your past experiences are guiding you in the right direction.

[@fuqui035]

God said my people are stupid

[@blessedblessed5018]

I'm trying to stop but it's hard

[@jaysonb.6669]

@@blessedblessed5018 Keep praying to Jesus & dusting yourself off each time you fall. Find a local Church community or support group to help you make a disciplined strategy. Break out of the "sin-shame-despair-resolution-repeat" cycle. Bring it to Jesus. If you are in Christ and have accepted him as your Lord & Savior through FAITH ALONE, know that all your sins are washed away. Past, present & future. He paid IT ALL for me and you. God's grace is sufficient for EVERYTHING.

[@harrisonhanson2998]

You & me both!

[@davidelks8972]

If this same group was attacking a cop, this would have been hands down self defense, and investigated from another perspective.

[@Celisar1]

Excellent point and obviously true.

[@darksideblues135]

Cops use falling acorns as a reason for self defense.

[@francisjsantana]

@@darksideblues135the biggest group of cowards to be honest, even situations of rescue can turn sour if you make “the wrong move” around cops 😭

[@charlesnol2187]

Nikolai walked over to the kids and initiated the assault by punching someone first. Then the group reacted, and Nikolai began stabbing people. How do you even justify such an escalation ? Cause they may have said some things, and he got mad? So taking a life and physically assaulting people is okay cause you're mad and there's more of them? The very lack of a moral compass coming from the majority of people here is utterly mind-boggling. Not to mention, the entire assault is caught on camera, but he's the victim? You're insane.

[@LenoxArmstrong]

@@charlesnol2187 they’re morons they come to a conclusion in their head without fully assessing the situation and doing research. These are the type of people that need their phones and media privileges taken away honestly.😂

[@Theworstway]

When a knife gets pulled out in a street fight… RUN FOR YOUR LIFE.

[@Jack-sk2el]

or Learn to " Skill Up " 🤔

[@Pbplayer48]

The surviving victims said they didn’t even know he had one. They thought they were being punched. It’s more about situational awareness; don’t put yourself in the fight or flight situation to begin with.

[@offstage7]

Did you even watch the video? They didn’t realize he was stabbing them until later

[@yungjunkie666]

Run to who? The democrats you voted for?😂😂😂

[@yungjunkie666]

​@@Pbplayer48WHO'S GOING TO TAKE THE ADVICE OF SOMEONE PRIVILEGED ENOUGH TO EVER BE IN THESE SITUATIONS💀

[@UZPvNUCaaQdF]

Every detail about this incident is disgusting and anxiety inducing. Nobody is clean here. The drinking, the horrific taunts, calling another group over to join them, the pushing, the stabbing, the lying...its real life horror

[@davidhardie5644]

I've been watching the court documentary and everyone has been caught lying

[@t.j.7789]

If they would have left the elder alone, there would have been no problems!!!!

[@LouisCasas]

​@@t.j.7789 💯 *FACTS*

[@dirtluverluveruvdirt7009]

Anyone know where the whole video of this is?

[@psy-chopps]

@@dirtluverluveruvdirt7009 it would be on usacrime somewhere

[@b.vo.]

Moral of the story: leave people alone.

[@willipad2277]

Opposite to what public school teaches: speak up when something is wrong

[@b.vo.]

@@willipad2277 the something that was wrong was the teenagers yelling at and attacking him. Should've left him alone instead of mob attacking him.

[@NotableSavage2]

@@willipad2277 Yelling insults at people and taunting them, isn’t speaking up. It’s provocation. Good luck out there.

[@bthemedia]

Especially leave people alone who have a knife and are fighting back.

[@HunterB738]

Yup! Mind your own business. That means you Murikans.

[@naffaog2567]

Imagine your mate gets stabbed and you all just leave him in the middle of the river to basically die, rather than try help him out the water….

[@Drocakd]

Easy to say when you’re not getting stabbed at

[@naffaog2567]

Well it wasn’t like he was swing the knife around? He stabbed the lad and then basically was walking away from them all. The lad was laying in the water by himself while all his “mates” ran away and didn’t even attempt to go over to him even when the guy with the knife was no where near them…

[@Daniellex1818]

Such a lame comment … @naffaog256 luckily for you.. you weren’t there and really shouldn’t pass judgement on anyone that was there. I’m.. so if your mate got stabbed… what would you do different ?? Lol it’s really easy to act like you would have done better behind your keyboard 👋🏼

[@naffaog2567]

Like I said in my last comment. It’s not like the man was wielding the knife around and going on a rampage. The lad was laid in the water for that long to the point he had to get himself up! While his mates stood there and just filmed him trying to walk. No one person ran over AFTER the man with the knife had walked away… and it wasn’t like it was only a couple of people there was a group a literally group! And not ONE went to help him get up… society today baffles me. Guess everyone’s brought up different 😂 “Everyone’s a gangsta till they get punched in the face”

[@revekat2053]

I don’t think they realize that rocks are deadly weapons and that’s what helped us to become who we are today. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@qball6520]

None of this would have happened if the mob didn't attack this man.

[@Nolen_Sorento]

Also wouldn't have happened if he didn't approach the group of teens. Witch why did he? In of states, they could argue that he is an aggressor of the situation by starting the conversation. I think it's ultimately self defense. But it deppends on how you view this sort of thing. Or how the jury will view it.

[@thisguy8373]

​@davidandrews5262 😂 stop the bs...they fudged around an found out. Quit it....listen to the story then figure it out man.

[@Nolen_Sorento]

@@thisguy8373 i say self defense. But other states and cases have precedent that would say duty to retreat along with initial engaging party. Just depends on state and jury.

[@LS-ns2jx]

He punched first, words don’t dictate your actions… grow up

[@jimbeam-ru1my]

@@Nolen_Sorento "they could argue that he is an aggressor of the situation by starting the conversation." You're an idiot if you think starting a conversation gives the other party the right to engage in violence.

[@CashisKingtrucking]

Imagine if he didn't have the knife on him. How far would the kids have escalated the situation?

[@Ebolacrash]

exactly

[@donprovolone1425]

They would have killed him and the news would never speak of it lol witch trials are the new "justice" and its on sight. Those kids are evil.

[@yolowolf24]

I mean didn't he punch a woman in the face before he was touched by anyone else? Who cares if people are yelling at you, walk away...

[@tomatobasil7695]

You realize thats when the videos start we don't see anything prior to that. We don't know who did or said what. We don't know why she got hit. We don't know. Everyone on KZbin has all the facts that they can't possibly have.

[@sekokhan5307]

Not far

[@byronco4917]

It's wild when your friends guts are hanging out and your first thought was "wait, I should film myself reacting to this."

[@chriscohen9559]

First time I watched the video I was like Did he really turn the camera to face himself after all that went down?? Yes, yes he did.

[@weirdonextdoor164]

@@chriscohen9559 yup one sick generation....

[@AreMonty]

For real.

[@IndigoChick68]

SOCIOPATH

[@RandoManFPV]

​@chriscohen9559 the thought process displayed by the cameramans filming is the sole reason this happened; they are all reatarded, thank the parents

[@TheBold1994]

Although no one deserves to lose there life over such foolishness; I cannot blame the man for defending himself from a bunch of drunk and aggressive teenagers especially being in water and out numbered

[@jamielehman4934]

Did i read this right? This started because Nicolae was about to start searching for a friends phone they had dropped in the water. Then when he neared a group of teens they started yelling at him calling him a child molestor which is what instigated the fight?

[@supernatural5354]

You read right

[@kiddalingur]

They also started to push him around, Seems to me they had this coming,

[@wehocommunitywatch]

And when he fell, one or more of them slapped and/or punched him in the face several times. All while laughing and taunting him. There is no way this is premeditated

[@Larry-k6g8d]

Are these kids gang stalkers?

[@nemesister5109]

@@kiddalingur death?

[@whaa3222]

This is so disturbing and avoidable. Just sad.

[@patrickharper9297]

if a mob don't get illegally drunk, and illegally assault a guy (fuck around) they don't get cut up (find out) ... simple self defense, guy was afraid for his life

[@Crazy_Schizo]

The media made it seem like he just randomly went after kids in a stabbing spree… he was defending himself against a whole group of idiots

[@triciac1019]

That is just so true! I thought the same until I watched the video over and over.

[@shitposter696]

Stabs 4 people....I get it if he stabbed 1 person but he went after the other 3. And therefore is no longer self defense. Dude is going away for the rest of his life

[@dre160]

Nope too many people still went after him. There is a reason Kyle Rittenhouse is free​@@shitposter696

[@Hairybarryy]

Not true first person got stabbed other 3 went after​ him. It's self defense against these inbreds on the tubes@shitposter696

[@justinreinhart3458]

Didn't the court point out his group was on the other side of the river? So that means he went over to the kids with a knife and intent.

[@antonchigurh3794]

Moral of the story ? Don’t F with people that you know nothing about whether you’re right or wrong.

[@jctyler31]

If only people were this smart.

[@440-fishermandrock8]

He's gonna get life in jail so you're comment is pretty irrelevant. Derek chauvin supporter? You probably wanted kyle Rittenhouse to be found guilty too 🤡

[@joeblowe3180]

That's the moral you got from this story? Why are you minimizing the actions of that man?

[@LorenaMartinez-gs4fe]

@@joeblowe3180what would you have done?

[@georgemonde8237]

If they ignored him this would have never have happened ​@joeblowe3180

[@ssiegfreid]

Symptoms of a society that’s lost all decency and respect for each other.

[@lordw9609]

Facts

[@thystaff742]

A society that has turned its back to God.

[@CelestialBeing-00]

@@thystaff742 God condoned killing.. "Stoning your Children if they don't listen" "Eye for an Eye" "Killing the First Borns" "Justifying tying people up and if animals ate them it was his will" "Genital Mutilation (Isn't killing but bad enough" Bible is Brutal.

[@CelestialBeing-00]

Humans are Animals, Some can rise above their baser instincts the majority of the time but some never do and even the ones that can will drop to that level eventually if pushed or shoved. You can't trust Humans..

[@scotts5308]

Thank the GOP and Trump.

[@22I22]

Used still images instead of video so we can't hear the "children" acting worse than animals?

[@Vicki1930]

So the killer was not an animal? Goes back to the group after he goes and gets his knife? Why not stay away ? He clearly shows intent.

[@junicohen7918]

​@Vicki1930 you must be waiting to learn the same lesson.stay vaccinated.

[@Pureblood712]

@@Vicki1930 idk why everyone is sticking up for the murder. Why was he over there regardless with a deadly weapon?

[@Pureblood712]

@@junicohen7918 You talk just like the vaxed tho?

[@Pureblood712]

@@google_is_a_criminal You really typed this? lol. why was that big child over there with a knife hitting women?

[@y09p]

Why cant the court watch the video, what is this 1875???

[@EandE-podcast]

If that’s the defense for the teens then the video is damning, it’s better to take the video frame by frame and try to convince the jury of whatever he thinks the justification is

[@kelceynicole]

@@EandE-podcastthank you. that makes sense!

[@venturini09]

Watching the video wouldn’t allow the prosecution to paint his own version of the story because the video shows them mobbing and screaming at the defendant like they’re wanting to lynch him.

[@F343x2]

​@@venturini09 Doesn't the video show them doing exactly that? Old man was down in the water and they still kept going at him

[@venturini09]

@@F343x2 exactly. So that’s why I’m guessing that the prosecutor choose still pics instead of the video so he could make the punks look like the victims to a “crazed madman with a knife and bloodlust”

[@BirdDogey1]

Being a bully has consequences.

[@Kylorenz710]

being bullied isnt a hall pass for MURDER either 😂

[@CopWifeCopMom]

@@Kylorenz710 The pack mentality scared that old man. He felt threatened. at least 10 young men picking on one old fat guy. Yeah I would’ve felt threatened too

[@ShellyCline]

​@@CopWifeCopMom he wouldn't have had any reason to be scared if he hadn't punched that girl in the face. And I can see stabbing at someone in self-defense but gutting 2 people and attempting to do so to a third person is extremely deviant behavior. There is something very wrong with that guy.

[@thecrow4597]

You’re a sick puppy

[@carolcolton4901]

@@CopWifeCopMomBut that is no reason to kill one kid and wound 4 others!

[@Csper01]

All involved, from the instigator filming and yelling, to the assault on the man by multiple parties, should be held accountable.

[@louisaburns3303]

TOTALLY AGREE

[@chrisseger2346]

Knife guy went from victim to murderer real quick. He may have gotten away with stabbing the first guy, but then he stabbed a young woman who posed no threat to him and a guy who was trying to break up the encounter. Should the others face criminal charges of some sort? Sure. But let's not pretend they're in the same league as knife guy.

[@kyos8462]

​@@chrisseger2346had they not attacked him none of it woulda happened period. Drunk immature brats f'd up

[@ofthedawn]

As he shoukd with a mob attacking him. Ill bet theyll think twice at least the survivors ​@chrisseger2346

[@kalanevans4171]

@@kyos8462 I completely agree the fact he came back armed showed aggression. HE CAME TO THEM.

[@ejohansson9488]

Lesson to be learned here, you rarely get stabbed for beeing polite, and respectfull...

[@Hvanudetfornoget]

Being harrased doesn't really qualify for being stabbed to death, but i guess youre american lel

[@OpinionParade]

*Thugs and criminals named:* A.J. Martin, Ryhley Mattison, Tony Carlson, Dante Carlson.

[@Mkn28..]

Deadly force only could be used in a DEADLY attack or threat situation. You don't stab or shoot people, ( in this case kids), for being slapped. As impolite, rude, or loathsome as those kids were. O.C spray? Ok ! But a knife or gun in this case, totally unnecessary and overreacted!

[@alphaomicron8]

@@Mkn28.. spoken like a true democrat, he was pushed, punched and had a hand on his neck, I am sure if you were in that situation you would have remained polite and not use deadly force till the light went out of your keybaord warrior eyes..

[@sofialoppe6255]

I'm a conservative who is also pro 2A and i'm sorry but too many republicans WANT to kill someone.

[@_Tommmmmm_]

Amazing how you have the right to defend yourself in court but you don’t have the right to defend yourself in normal life…

[@ryancalococci8389]

He punched a girl in the face FIRST. It was all words until that point, so yeah, he will die in prison, and he forfeited those rights in that moment.

[@unknownl8154]

If that's true he's the aggressor but I need to see it

[@unknownl8154]

There is audio that he hit the girl before they jumped him so that throws out self defense. Looks like he also stabbed her first but I can't tell.

[@linotee]

@@ryancalococci8389alright, go watch the full videa. He was calm

[@johnkaplan3810]

Yeah this stopped being self-defense pretty quickly

[@YaYaPaBla]

People just can’t act right anymore.🤦🏼‍♀️

[@dayahbpetty9062]

Ikr, this white in white crime is getting out of control!

[@miarawks]

🫓🫓🫓🫓

[@SirDingle]

Lmao, you think people haven't been acting like this since the dawn of man

[@mscnhou1]

​@@SirDingle Exactly, we just have it all on video nowadays

[@paulettestegall8530]

Exactly. Can't go anywhere without some fools causing some form of trouble.

[@ravendragonsong5842]

And this is why I live in the woods with my dog and cats and avoid humans as much as possible EDIT FOR THE KAREN'S AND KEVIN'S: None of us have claimed to be hermits. Speaking for myself I have HIGH standards for the humans I allow in my life. It's a very small number as society has lost its bloody mind. Unlike you I don't rate my value by the number of followers I have it's the content of character, honorable human moral ethical human. I'm Christian and I prefer to be around those who have the same moral compass. Being alone doesn't mean lonely miserable or depressing. It is about having standards and value for yourself. Go find Jesus and stop being hateful nasty humans

[@maxpunkin3128]

You're so lucky to have that's seclusion I wish I had it

[@HomeDIYSStuff]

here here. My 10 acres isn't far enough away from PEOPLE in general. I'm stacking it up with trees so I don't have to look at them.. lol

[@maxpunkin3128]

@@HomeDIYSStuff must be a dream,id love it,I only deal with my 2 dogs and 2 cats,I can't wait until the day I can get away from people, I am already in seclusion now but it's not far from people I live on the outskirts of a big city, and I hate it

[@LC.1990]

We have to make a living in the city. The work in our fields is not there in remote locations.

[@kevinbuda7087]

you gotta come out some time....and thats when they will get you

[@Sirius39170]

Why aren't these kids charged with drunken assault?

[@koolarooo]

Because he punched first? And then murdered someone?

[@marcellcypher]

he ran to them

[@gregwarren54]

Insults aren't assault

[@DanielHuet-Vaughn]

@@koolarooo you are allowed to use reasonable force... the womanspitting and screaming in his face is actually initiating the assault, she was dealt a right hand accordingly... when the other people piled on and pushed the old man down into the rocks and water, it was multiple attackers and he unleashed lethal force....

[@janetdobie9722]

They should be facung charges If not for their behaviour Nic would have found his glasses or not and been on his way Their behaviour set all of this in motion He must have been terrified...how could you not be

[@Karl-w6r]

This is easily the worst miscarriage of justice in my lifetime. 13 attack 1 person, he defends himself and goes to jail forever?!? The parents of those children disgust me.

[@rudykadous4005]

agreed I saw the whole video and those kids were pushing and slapping him way before he stabbed anyone in self defense...

[@8ball708]

Defended himself from what? Shoves? You’re ridiculous. He murdered a teen in cold blood. Should’ve gotten a much harsher sentence.

[@sushi_rl]

Even if it was in self defense, he had many opportunities to walk away, ESPECIALLY after 13 people verbally showed their disinterest in him, and “self defense” probably doesn’t go as far as killing and disemboweling. Since he KNEW they were all drunk, he could have been the better, sober person and not engaged, and even if he did have to fight back, the knife was not necessary

[@Karl-w6r]

@sushi_rl that's pretty funny, hes being pushed from all angles, they are clearly trying to attract more people from the bank to come help "sort out " this pervert!! Theyve already pushed him into the water, they are a literal gang of you g strong people nearly all stronger than his old ass AS THEY ALL KNEWVOR THEY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN DOING WHAT THEY WERE DOING!!! They acted exactly like they do online with the one or two people who are somehow always out of favour, they are a mocking and deriding mob. Unfortunately the alcohol theyd consumed blinded them to possibility this victim wasnt gonna just curl into a ball... he had the audacity to defend himself. How they went from the baying bullying mob to the frightened screaming and apparently mystified children was sickening to witness. How the jury bought that bullshit I will never understand, he was attacked by a mob and he had every right to defend himself. He lashed out at those around him who were shoving and hitting him, he certainly didn't chase anyone to continue the attack.l..and it certainly worked, all of a sudden they decided they wanted to be anywhere but in his face!!! Incidentally, no offence but turning your back on 13 hatefully drunk young people is exactly what will get you killed...a really niave suggestion. Any one of those same 13 people could've stepped in and defended the dude, if only for the fact he was an elderly gentleman for whom they shouldve all had more respect. If any of them were my kids I'd be mortified.

[@NoName-py5xs]

@@rudykadous4005 was thinking the same but apperently Nic started it by punching a blonde girl in the face and thats why her boyfriend punched him down

[@thewhoopingcrane]

So what you're saying is, if a gang of people assaults me? I'm not allowed to defend myself?

[@Mel-wn9gb]

That's not self defence. He could've walked away, and why did he have a knife in the first place?

[@thewhoopingcrane]

@Mel-wn9gb he could of walked away you say. ONE he did walk away, and they followed him. TWO They then pushed him down and kept pushing him from getting up while hitting him in the face. How is he supposed to get away when he is Surrounded by people pushing him and hitting him and keeping him from getting up?

[@Mel-wn9gb]

@@thewhoopingcrane He walked away, got his knife and then walked back to them.

[@Wallcraft_Official]

@@Mel-wn9gb That's clearly not what happened. He was assaulted, and then assaulted again, without any chance to retreat before stabbing several people in a state of fight-or-flight.

[@Mel-wn9gb]

@@Wallcraft_Official Then he should've fought, not disembowelled a 17 year old and stabbed two other people. That's not self defence.

[@abcdefg1142]

Disgusting.

[@yungjunkie666]

Alcoholics sure are still somehow managed to push the blame on "drug users"

[@jacobmccandles1767]

Disgusting that 13 people can turn violent with 1 man, yet somehow their victim gets charged.

[@duzntmatter5926]

@@jacobmccandles1767 AMEN they were right out of a bad movie

[@duzntmatter5926]

@@yungjunkie666 yeah too many young alcoholics bullies

[@yungjunkie666]

@jacobmccandles1767 if you think that's disgusting try a mirror

[@Hof79905]

Booze and Drugs accomplish nothing but these types of results.

[@gamingbypix]

Not every1 who drinks is out doing stuff like this. Some people only have a drink, and play some board games etc. This is way WAAAAY deeper than that... why did this OLD MAN have a knife at this thing, is significantly older than anyone else there, there's soooo many more red flags than substances.. let's not infantilize this man or blame it on inebriance alone.

[@yeverett4533]

Booze and drugs is the same thing because alcohol is a drug. Don't believe me, do your own research.

[@inthelandofmorethansmall7582]

WHAT?!? Billions of people spend BILLIONS of hours at the river, the ocean, the club, at parties, etc and they do so for decades and nothing like this ever happens. What in the heck are you talking about? I've been going to the river since I was little - around 2 years old. My parents and their friends drank and did whatever drugs they did back then al9ng with at least 50 other couples who were also always at the river. Now I'm 40 and I have river front property. We get on our boat and zoom straight across the river to the same island my parents enjoyed for decades. And there are now more couples out there drinking and doing God knows what types of drugs.... No one has ever been disemboweled or hurt other than the occasional cut from stepping on broken glass. I've been a medical provider for 23 years in the ER and while I do see the occasional alcohol or drug related incident, I see far more "sober" accidental injuries. Kids on trampolines and traffic are the worst. We do see alot of GSW (shootings) at the club between gangs... But as far as most people who live in small towns and have nothing better to do than to drink and smoke and snort and party at the lake, the river, the barn, or the field, or even on four wheelers and side by sides, it's relatively low. If you don't wanna drink, no one is making you. But some people enjoy it. And what you're saying is absolutely 💯 false. "Accomplish absolutely nothing"... 😂😭🤣🤷🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️🙄

[@sBaum]

Well said in the land of more than small

[@Steve-ev6vx]

@@gamingbypix He wasn't with them. It's a public river! Most real men carry a pocket knife.

[@Ram-dq1gq]

One thing we do know for sure…. These “kids” won’t gang up on and slap another grown man in the face ever again. Some life lessons are learned the hard way

[@strawb1793]

Playing the videos is more reliable than showing a cut photos or screenshots

[@cullenreynolds745]

Yes but the cut pictures are very very deliberate and being provided by the prosecutor to try and prove his narrative the video would counter that narrative and benefit the defense in the argument of self-defense

[@amb3cog]

They do both.

[@ShellyCline]

I saw both the video and the stills and I feel like the two together paint a complete picture. I couldn't even see the stabbing when watching the video because it happened so fast. The stills were very enlightening in that regard. They really showed the degree of deliberateness in his actions. He didn't just wildly stab out trying to defend himself. He stuck that knife in low and deliberately pulled it up as high as he could. That is as perverse and deviant a thing as I have ever seen. That guy should not be walking the streets.

[@Puppies-Plants-Politics]

You saw him being choked and pushed in the water with 5 + guys surrounding him? ​@ShellyCline

[@ShellyCline]

@@Puppies-Plants-Politics stop. Just stop. Nobody choked him. He got pushed and slapped. And that only happened because he became aggressive with the girl, to which he ADMITTED on the stand today. My original words still stand. I've never seen anything so deviant in my life as what that man did. People "surrounding" him will never justify that. Especially when he shouldn't have even been there in the first place and purposely went looking for trouble.

[@giftoftime9968]

Why is the Dad who owns a bar letting underage kids get drunk???

[@jvanarsdale04]

Right

[@tinygrim]

R u serious? Different cultures. Who brings a knife to swim.

[@fluffyanne1177]

Children raising children

[@nopenope9118]

Children are legally allowed to drink with their parents in bars until they turn 18 in Wisconsin.

[@tinygrim]

@@nopenope9118 after 18 , do they quit drinking then?

[@cadevaughn7596]

This started because Nicolae was about to start searching for a friends phone they had dropped in the water. Then when he neared a group of teens they started yelling at him calling him a child molestor which is what instigated the fight. Now you have the first half of the story.

[@craiglockwood981]

I think your half right. I think the teens didn't understand what he said to them. Probably because he is Russian and the words he used didn't translate correctly. So the teens being drunk and high start to taunt him. This is what teens do now days. What Nicolae should have done is walk away, wait to the teens floated down river and then went back to the area to snorkel for the missing phone. But he didn't do this. According to his wife's testimony. He came back to the group and grabbed the knife. Then returned to the confront the teens. This man isn't a child molester, he is a monster though. He got the knife with the hope one of the teens would assault him and he could teach them a lesson.

[@cadevaughn7596]

@@craiglockwood981 I can understand the frustration. I'm sure I was a piece of work in the early 2000's. Kids these days BLOW MY MIND. Probably just a generational thing. One thing stands true. F around and find out. Especially in the midwest.

[@craiglockwood981]

@@cadevaughn7596 I think we are basically on the same page. There are consequences for the actions a person takes. I guess when teenagers act stupid for whatever reason they still shouldn't be stabbed. And they shouldn't lose their lives.

[@inhumanfilth681]

Doesnt matter dont care it brings nothing of merit to the situation

[@dqniel1755]

Insults instigating a fight are irrelevant, though. Insulting somebody isn't illegal. Threatening somebody is, though. However, if they were threatening him then why would he run toward them?

[@chrisharrison3245]

just nothing but a typical group of entitled bullies who deserve to be charged

[@ms.construed1305]

Turns out it was one crazy man.

[@M60gunner1971]

​@ms.construed1305 no, you're wrong...so very, very wrong.

[@dud13]

@@M60gunner1971 are you slow in the head? theres no way you've seen the ENTIRE interaction you clearly have no fucking idea what happened besides what you just saw

[@sarahcollis8779]

​@@M60gunner1971court ruled right 😂

[@WhydoIneedahandleagain]

I’m not familiar with this case, but I think I get the gist of it. 8-10 drunk kids thought they’d fuck around with an old man because there’s all of them and just one of him and “what’s he gonna do”… and then they found out. Is that about right?

[@Scorpio-mg1fz]

You could'nt have said it better!! I was thinking the same thing!! What's the saying" fuck around and find out !! This whole situation is just sad!!

[@lacustina6560]

​@@offbeatcomposition did you see the video? these kids laughing and making fun of him, pushing him into the water screaming at him. Normal people dont do that

[@lycheemyusic]

Fr. That person didnt watch any fuckin video. He didnt pull out the knife til after they gang pushed him into the water.​@@lacustina6560

[@SasaRadic-fq5en]

​​@@offbeatcompositionhave you even watched the video at all? It's not true what you're saying. I have seen video about 2 days ago. He tried to walk away and they followed him continuing their shit. They slapped him after they pushed him into the water. That's where the knife started to work...

[@alfredthorneborn6295]

Ur dumb as a rock, why would he change clothes and hide from police, why whould he run away from police, lie to police and say the kids drew knifes on him. He approched them, never tried to distance himself, he never made any attempts to get away. Never brandished the knife telling them to get away. Stabbing people that never tuched him, saying it was in self defence and that he was afraid for his life when in reality he was just angry. @@SasaRadic-fq5en

[@arcanusluvalus1388]

these kids never had a dose of reality until their friend died and i still don’t think they have the capacity to understand the death of their friend was brought on by their indifference to the human condition.

[@BennettMats]

Do you think that maybe during a physical altercation with aggressive males that maybe its not ok to stab women who are just bystanders?

[@user-os7ec4dm8x]

@@BennettMats If you were attacked and harrassed by a mob accusing you of being a pedo you might attack back.

[@wellhellothere9157]

​@@BennettMatsEveryone surrounded him and was aggressive and pushing him around like it was a gang inniatiation. They're lucky most people don't have guns while in the water.

[@BennettMats]

@@wellhellothere9157 Then why did he stab the woman?

[@arcanusluvalus1388]

@@BennettMats i’m in no way defending the actions of the defendant in any way, take your shit somewhere else man.

[@rr2109]

I love how they can only try to prosecute him using still, silent images because the video speaks for itself.

[@dchawk81]

Straight outta the Binger playbook. Because life happens one frame at a time.

[@RevTox]

I was thinking the same thing. Why not show the actual video and let the jurors see what happened?

[@horaceball5418]

@@RevTox Because the Prosecutors wanna win.

[@biggreenblob]

Yep 100% justified. FAFO

[@YourMomSaysHi_Jinx]

That’s because jurors/people are so stupid

[@mrwrmr5114]

If my dad was in the same situation I wouldn't blame him.

[@maria89]

Your dad goes around charging kids being hostile and slapping teenage girls?

[@22Epic]

But you wouldn't have been there to comment.

[@Elle-gc8xc]

He’s just stabbed like 5 people and for what?

[@Dca9999]

@@Elle-gc8xc he defended himself from

[@vaati9364]

@@Dca9999 Can you believe that Jawahn Cockfield still gets to play football at St. John’s University in Collegeville, MN after he got his friend killed?

[@xo121w]

Back in the day teens would help him look for the phone. This society is rotten

[@MareMarMarie]

100% agree

[@xo121w]

@@xavierb9061 what joke? Dumb ass teens stated shouting pedo like a guy after heart surgery is chasing teens ffs

[@MareMarMarie]

@@xavierb9061 where did you hear that? Besides from the kids because they have been caught lying and talking to each other to get their stories straight. Their testimonies are falling apart on the stand.

[@MareMarMarie]

@@xavierb9061 yeah you said that the first time. I asked where did you hear it or is it just BS

[@JK-Handyman]

agreed

[@patriciag9063]

Those kids were having a great time taunting that man. They surrounded him, pushed him down, and slapped him. And their laughter got louder and louder and louder until he started defending himself. Shame on them.

[@swerve894]

He was being a drunk weirdo following them around. Yeah the kids were annoying, but you're an adult grown man. Go about your business. What was the game plan? He had the opportunity to walk away like 3 or 4 times but he kept going back. Go figure they looked into his socials and he posts frequently about using self defense. He **wanted** an altercation to happen here because he's a pussy snowflake

[@thomashelm7450]

After he was yelling at them, ran over to them, stopped them, hit a woman for no reason, then they pushed him over and slapped him. He was the instigator and attacked them first, he was the only reason anything happened. His behaviour was just as poor, if not worse.

[@bobbyswain7049]

you are leaving out the most important parts.....Miu left and then came back.....he approached them 1st...he threw the 1st punch......other than that you are spot on😆

[@cynthg9547]

​​@@thomashelm7450Not what I seen in the video

[@matamba9689]

I hope the man gets off and acquitted of all charges.

[@mattimeo7612]

Am I missing something? This looks an awful lot like self-defense if not simply a FAFO. What happened that this dude was surrounded and attacked in the water like that? If you surround me with 5+ strangers and start hitting me and pushing me under the water, I don't know if I'd be able to show as much restraint as that guy did... and to be honest I don't know about you guys but the way my parents raised me, there just isn't a scenario where you would find me in a group of peers jeering and picking on an older man, let alone surrounding or physically swarming. Not unless we just saw him murder someone or steal some lady's purse anyway. I'm calling FAFO for sure.

[@cyberzenASMR]

It’s strange. The teens are stabbed and another goes to lunge in again. Like zombies

[@Seasniffer1969]

They for no damn reason, called him a pedo. It brought other drunk ppl to the crowd, they started to rough him up and push him under the water. At that point, they just tried to kill him

[@cyberzenASMR]

@@Seasniffer1969 I believe it was the black teenager holding the camera recording who made the disparaging comments of the older man being a pedophile. These teens were dealing with a disoriented drunk man (includes women too) that came up and it was harassing. That does not equal mob behavior to deal with it. Instead of running or walking away. They believed the pedo comment and in the video, grabbed the older man by the neck. In majority of states, grabbing someone anywhere on the neck pushing or squeezing is considered lethal assault. I feel bad for the teens… because they evidently do not know how to neither fight, throw a simple punch, and none carried a weapon. But since day 1 in pre-k, they were educated on morals, theft, assault ranging from sexual, simple, and felony cases. Rip to the teen guy… but him and his friends should have never chose conflict.

[@user-ng2lk5wv4p]

@@cyberzenASMR why didnt the old guy not expect the teens to retaliate after he hit the woman first, everyone here is saying the teens "f'd around and found out" but to me it seems like the opposite?

[@cyberzenASMR]

@@user-ng2lk5wv4p Folks get into fights and altercations all the time, which fall into the the assault category. Sometimes it’s not picked up. certain situations all can be charged with assault by escalation and using unreasonable force. The kids messed up when they decided to grab the drunk man by the neck, that’s unreasonable and lethal force. So the drunk is now either justified or catching a much lesser charge.

[@tonytouch145]

“You’ll see that the push doesn’t really do anything as he gets right up”. Realistically, you could say the same thing about the girl that apparently was punched and never went down.

[@tonytouch145]

@collinthefrog1136 sure but those girls just as well had no business walking up to a fully grown man who’s clearly not in the right mind. We all know girls who like to be in the middle of the drama but aren’t used to being treated as a man would be. I didn’t see a punch though and im guessing it was not a punch.

[@Ponchelas1]

​@@tonytouch145 cringy how you justify murder

[@tonytouch145]

@@Ponchelas1 Not sure how you read that comment and compared it to justifying murder but I will say that people have to be held accountable for their actions and almost every person in this video did something they shouldn’t have done. Yes the guy who stabbed them did the worst thing but they all played a part. Almost every single one of the group tried to escalate the situation because they were drunk and the group mentality kicked in. I feel bad for every victim there that day And their family, but it’s very clear that this all could’ve been avoided if the situation played out. There’s a thin line between self-defense and murder and it seems like alcohol Is the line in this case.

[@Ponchelas1]

​@@tonytouch145read your first comment again. You try to justify actions by saying "the GIRL (not that being a grown woman would have made it better) wasn't punched that hard since she didn't fall"....my guy, like what?!?! 😅😅😅 that's cringy...you're making an explanation for a murderous man on the grounds that a girl wasn't punched hard enough for the situation to have escalated the way it did.

[@mochiiiyaa]

You're cringe ​@@Ponchelas1

[@DesertDweller1776]

The girl wouldn't put her drink down even after being stabbed. No man left behind

[@eve3po]

You've clearly never been in shock before

[@401Impala]

@@eve3po Does being in shock also apply to the way Nicolae acted afterwards? Keep that same energy.

[@BallzDeep666]

😂 legends don’t fumble in big games

[@heavenlyb2850]

@@401Impalashock causes you to not feel pain. I don’t know about continuing to stab people who aren’t even touching you?

[@401Impala]

@@heavenlyb2850 Oh so once multiple people stop attacking you, your brain instantaneously recognizes that and acts accordingly? Gotcha. You must be new to Earth.

[@craigwhitelaw1481]

I bet the camera man was only expecting to film all his buddies beat up an older man. Instead of capturing the evidence the older man needed to prove self defence. Irony

[@katieg4045]

MAYBE the inital person who jumped him but wtf did tony do fr?

[@reddeadjuju]

Caused the problem he was the loudest mouth there getting in the mans face making false accusations and trying to make that man fear his life and he did. ​@@katieg4045

[@gordrilla]

​@@katieg4045FUCKED AROUND ABD FOUND OUT

[@krabsstd4106]

Karma is a better word lol.

[@MrJackson66]

He was found GUILTY 😂, irony...

[@navalukthrasher9269]

This type of intimidation to a singular person is called Swarming. Teens/young adults have become notorious for this behaviour, and is more common than everyone thinks.

[@lore6803]

This is the most boomer shit I've ever heard. lol

[@doofwop]

@@lore6803 boomer gonna teach you a lesson just like that someday

[@nateclipps]

@@lore6803 lmao but its low key true, it mainly happens when an old/elderly person confronts a group/an individual young adult while out "partying" for some wildish behavior. Everyone is loose and hype and emotions are at a high, everyone swarm around and tries to antagonize some form of physical altercation. Nothing new.

[@UnfilteredAmerica]

@@lore6803not at all. Lol happens ofteb

[@cdcdogs4961]

Point is, when we make a mistake we need to face up to it! We need to tell the TRUTH, that is integrity, telling the truth, and honoring our word no matter the consequences. Common sense, honor, Integrity, honesty, empathy, etc, sadly, IMO, only Gen X and Boomers understand what I’m talking about. Even though these young ADULTS didn’t stab anyone, they own A lot of responsibility in the outcome of what happened to their friend. 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@sarmadusmani4792]

I just wish to salute the parents who raised such upright and wonderfully behaved kids. All of this could have been avoided if escalation and bad mouthing a senior wasn't done by this mob. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

[@smowka]

People can say whatever tf they want - it’s called the first amendment of the Constitution. You don’t get to kill people because they offended you.

[@dkelly26666]

@lilacmoon2120 Yes. They also attacked, shoved, laughed, cheered. He defended himself. Yes.

[@kwagley]

Yeah, this wasn’t self defense committed by stabby mcstabbers, it was murder. a grown man is drunk tubing on a river and unstable enough to bring a knife in case what? He needs to stab some teenagers? This dude was looking for a reason and evidently people seem to believe these CHILDREN excused a grown man’s attempted massacre. BFFR

[@KEEPINGitREAL213]

instead of calling 911.... Let's just record this crazy moment!

[@Dragonfly_magictarot]

Exactly wtf

[@PizzaCologne3]

they want tik-tok clout, totally a brain disease cannot be cured.

[@videowatcher314]

A cellphone recording is very similar to full body armor in some people's minds.

[@mj2690]

Because instead of eye witness account they have actual visible proof that this loon should be thrown in jail for the rest of his pathetic life.

[@coryb8432]

I think he was also partly responsible for the way he was hooting and hollering instigating

[@isaactuuri6488]

"you dont see him getting stabbed in the video", because his 'friend' was filming himself for a reaction vid, jesus these kids are lost

[@user-ng2lk5wv4p]

the video is the reason hes behind bars too so maybe youre wrong

[@KevenJobin-cc1gy]

Kids those days are addicted to their phone filming videos for TikTok just to get likes and subscribers …

[@isaactuuri6488]

@@KevenJobin-cc1gy amen, sadly fodder

[@Justyburger]

When you watch the kids testimonies, you can definitely see they are lost. I actually found them to be quite dark and deceptive. No sense of morals inside of them. Just lawless.

[@isaactuuri6488]

​@@Justyburger 100%,, they are useless folks

[@kharris0465]

Have less friends. You will have less enemies.

[@rockstarofredondo]

Have many friends if you wish to be unsuccessful in life.

[@440-fishermandrock8]

Lonely you are 😢

[@LorenaMartinez-gs4fe]

@@440-fishermandrock8and drama free

[@CHELSEABuckhannon]

AMEN ❤❤❤❤

[@slappy8941]

It's "fewer", Einstein.

[@Spartan-tm5hx]

They did it frame by frame with their narrative. Just play the entire, unedited video. Those kids should have left him alone.

[@annnoble7181]

Wasn't the old man being attacked? I would have felt threatened too.

[@Celtic-Texan]

Yes, and the keyboard mafia are trying to claim he started it all, slapped/punched a girl, then they reacted to that. None of that aligns with the multiple actions that were caught on camera against him prior to him defending himself. He was looking for a phone, they decided to be drunken juvenile delinquents and start trouble with the wrong person that day.

[@WonkaBiz]

He attacked first, punched a girl in the face…he started it, then stabbed 5 ppl.

[@AgentSmith911]

​@@WonkaBizThey attacked him first. F around and find out. Self defense.

[@DavidKyle]

@@WonkaBiz no. anybody who watched the video knows that's not what happened. these kids have nobody to blame but themselves.

[@Sgabriel1030]

They surrounded him and were jumping up and down and screeching like monkeys. In the video the boys start pushing each other over and it’s like a domino effect and the guy eventually goes down and gets punched in the head. It was so chaotic I don’t even think they knew the guy had hit the woman at that point - if he ever even did. The kid that testified to it saw nothing and clearly was a liar.

[@smaze1782]

These punks taunted, bullied and surrounded this man. This is clear self defense.

[@jamesethan3749]

Not to mention pushing him underwater trying to drown him

[@allseeingotto2912]

Why did he have a knife on him ?

[@analogueoverdigital929]

​@allseeingotto2912 why is the sky blue? Like who tf cares...

[@allseeingotto2912]

@@analogueoverdigital929 It’s pretty relevant to the case 🙄

[@EMJE272]

​@@allseeingotto2912Because he can

[@rockyraccoon6114]

Don’t put your hands on people. Don’t instigated fights. Don’t get messy drunk. Mind your own business. Words to live by.

[@laurenurban3942]

Alcohol is always the root problem.

[@John-rn1uw]

You don’t know what you’re talking about. He invaded their space, threw the first punch, and then killed the 17 year old. Throw the book at this guy. Life.

[@MrSmith0128]

And don't stab people

[@bobross8585]

All of these things apply to the old crusty white dude

[@bobross8585]

​twixenjoyer-xl7zzhe went up to them and refused to walk away

[@mpeploe]

A bunch of tough guys trying to mob on 1 man. Seems like a clear case of self defense.

[@galleriet3185]

He stabbed 4 people who didn’t have weapons. Stabbed a defenseless girl and killed a kid in the process. Yeah that’s some real self defense 💀

[@blakebrooks8083]

Buddy these kids were trying to fight his ass off while he was trying to be a bully, these were teens and he was a grown man😑

[@dkelly26666]

@@blakebrooks8083 Nonsense. They were all laughing and high fiving and cheering while they shoved the 'old' (to their childish asses) guy around. Then, he fought back and ended that stuff. Then, they're big cry-babies. "But, we thought we could do anything we wanted and get away with it???"

[@Eric-rm1fs]

Nothing about this is clear, everyone is at fault. Nobody needed to die here.

[@Eric-rm1fs]

​@@galleriet3185agreed he wasn't defending himself he was looking to stab people.

[@PatPauloMMA]

As a dad, I hope my kids can recognize dangerous situations getting out of hands. Always put a good distance between you and sketchy people. Sometimes you need to be the voice of reason with your friends too.

[@DankyDankenstein]

The “kids” were the sketchy people. And, they should be charged with battery, as adults.

[@tmzz3609]

​@@DankyDankensteinthe problem is the "kids" didn't actually touch Nicolae at all...... The just instigated it by taunting him trying to go viral on TikTok...... The only people to actually touch him were the 5 people in the Carson group. None of these people were kids...... They were all college aged young adults. 4 of the 5 people stabbed were in that group. Only the individual that died was from the group of "kids". The other 4 were Tony, Dante, AJ and Rhylee all being from the second group. The only one of those who didn't assault Nocialae(as far as I can tell) is Tony. AJ(guy who's guts were showing) was literally lunging at Nocialae as he was stabbed. He impaled himself just as much as he was stabbed. The "kids" in this situation never actually touched him in any way. They were laughing and egging it on until they ran away screaming

[@llg3pe]

The kids were sketchy. The man acted in self defense

[@llg3pe]

@@DankyDankensteinexactly!

[@Shmyrk]

Amen

[@tristanburgos1]

The fact that there’s so many people there just casually watching or walking around after multiple teenagers have been stabbed is shocking

[@mplslawnguy3389]

The psychology of large groups. Nobody wants to get involved and they just assume someone else will deal with it, although I’m not going to be the first in line to confront a guy with a knife if I’m unarmed.

[@tristanburgos1]

@@mplslawnguy3389 understandable, it’s just so surprising. You’d like to think when you see people’s lives in danger you’d have the strength and empathy to help in some way. Like there’s literally people bleeding out and trying to hold in their guts, yet no one has the decency to run over there with some real urgency and deescalate the situation. Just sad honestly

[@mplslawnguy3389]

@@tristanburgos1 Someone with medical training could have possibly helped if they had some supplies. Tragic regardless. Two lives were lost, victim and stabber. The stabber doesn’t even have a record from what I’ve read. People need to realize that fights can and do end up like this. Cooler heads need to prevail.

[@tiahnarodriguez3809]

@@tristanburgos1 It’s just the nature of group psychology. Most people don’t get involved because we are programmed to put our own safety first. That’s just how our brains work, but there are individuals who ignore that programming and jump in. I’m one of those people. I’ve had to jump in several times, and each time I noticed that people didn’t step up because they either were in shock, didn’t care, or didn’t know how to help. I can’t fault people for not getting involved when they are in shock or don’t know what to do, but I do find it especially sick when people don’t help because they don’t care because without fail these types of people expect everyone else to help them when they need it. Luckily, not everyone is like this. I’ve been in more situations where we were all strangers but everyone played a part to call for help and help those who were injured until help arrived. It all really depends on who is present at the emergency.

[@kreutzz1937]

Because the old man was in the right.

[@aaronbuster7201]

Kids F'd around and found out. Guess they expected the old man to just take the disrespect and beating.

[@jesseperez4185]

Both sides are guilty of being dumb, kids really F'd around and found out. Shame they had to learn life lessons this hard. But old man didn't have to escalate that hard.

[@jamesethan3749]

@@jesseperez4185Yes he did. He’s pushed into water and they tried to even hold him underwater by pressing on his back. Thats a FIGHT FOR HIS LIFE no other way around it.

[@Pureblood712]

@@jamesethan3749 was this after he punched a women?

[@bambbambboyguy123]

@@Pureblood712that’s before

[@Pureblood712]

@@bambbambboyguy123 hmm idk sounds like he should have just called the cops like the rest of us would've had to do.

[@Dora_D_Destroyer]

Everyone gangster until they got disemboweled 😂

[@anddontcallmeshirley-]

lol

[@MarcDickerius]

😅

[@spratt69]

Yah they fucked around and found out

[@boone7777777777]

You think this is funny? Your sick

[@Dora_D_Destroyer]

@@boone7777777777 1st of all its (you're*) 😂 2nd yup this is funny to me cause he sure got what he ask for 😂 like that other comment said. "He f around and found out 💀"

[@artkingofwholefoods74]

Ditching the murder weapon doesn’t change the facts. Since when is it a crime to panic, get scared? Nope. When a mob surrounds someone , assaults, and threatens, Don’t be surprised if that person defends themselves with a weapon.

[@DPark-w1b]

A mob of 17 year olds with no weapons and he chased him down and slided his torso lol

[@justcallmecage6765]

​@@DPark-w1bdon't matter. Don't fuck with someone you don't know

[@usernameinvalid2675]

@@DPark-w1bguess you have never known anybody to be stomped to death A group of 17 year olds could do that to him quite easily

[@infiniterer287]

​@@usernameinvalid2675but they didn't. The most they did was push him. He used that as an excuse to go on a rampage, this is the exact definition of EXCESSIVE FORCE.

[@Youneverknow100]

Dude gets punched in the face while in the water..holding him down..wtf are you talking about..​@@infiniterer287

[@pnscar3]

This should be national news

[@79Bobola]

It is?

[@dyfox3856]

Protected race

[@CC-qx6ss]

It was national news when it happened 2 years ago

[@JPBADD7549]

​@@dyfox3856Don't blame the community blame the behavior 😅

[@mattb6646]

Why? Stuff like this happens everyday, people are murdered every single day

[@greatappledates2167]

These young adults were harassing and assaulting this man, pushing him around, pushing him into the water and at one point holding his head under the water. They were acting like a disrespectful mob, up until their friend got stabbed. This is a sad story, and everyone would have walked away had they just kept minding their own business and not escalate the situation.

[@carolcolton4901]

None of this would have happened if Miu hadn't approached the boys at all with a strange look on his face and if he didn't have a knife!

[@stevenjohnson190]

Just because he approached them didn't give them the right to hit and yell at him push him down and try to hold his head under water and cause all the drama he clearly defended himself play stupid games win stupid prizes I hate that the boy died but that's a lesson non of them should ever forget dnt bully ppl just because you can

[@defaultname7685]

@@carolcolton4901 yeah you're right if he didn't have a knife he might be dead with how they were attacking him

[@RationalNon-conformist]

@@carolcolton4901well, carrying a knife is not a crime. That’s not the issue here. I think the more important issue here is, had he not approached the group alone, I don’t think this would have happened. If he approached them in a friendly manner, with his wife, this would not have happened. Lesson here is, don’t approach a group of young men who are drinking, especially if you also had drinks. I think the Jury will find him guilty-because he approached them. I heard they hit him after he slapped someone, so I think he was the instigator. Had he not slapped anyone, things would have gone differently. I don’t think he’s an evil guy, but he did not use good judgment in this horrible situation.

[@johnj1265]

For starters Greatapple were you there or are you just giving hear say evidence? You can't clearly make them comments from watching this video. That's common sense. Carolcolton and I'm taking it you were there also and know 100% That guy approached the kids first?

[@nicolem889]

How could they insult that man like that over snorkeling.

[@charliehammer8780]

Those kids found out the hard way that they can't say and do the nasty things they do when they're online without meeting serious repercussions in real life. Like Mike Tyson said... "Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it."

[@themonkster333]

EXACTLY !!! F'ed around and found out

[@slee2695]

Ok boomer

[@augsdoggs]

⁠@@slee2695 People are still saying that? I haven’t heard it in a long time. You’re pretty late to the party with your attempt at disrespect. 😂

[@globo_majordomo]

@@slee2695 see you on the river

[@slee2695]

@@augsdoggs ok boomer

[@AnimeBullboy]

Why were these kids attacking this dude. We didn't do stuff like this when I was a boy. You respected your elders. Entitled brats doing disgusting things to someone minding his own business.

[@1lapmagic]

If someone pushes me in the water once, I'm throwing hands. If someone pushes me in the water twice and hits me while doing it, I'm protecting my life.

[@sneksteppy]

Lol you guys do this stuff ALL THE TIME. Sit this one out, DeMarcus.

[@shamaradanielson1945]

He punched a girl n they came to her defense. They kept yelling at him to go away and he started stabbing anyone he got close enough to. People from an adult also kept telling him to go away - he stabbed them too . He went over to where they were .... his group was upriver . Do you have a daughter? If you do then you'll appreciate the boys trying to protect her. I'm old-school too , we both know males never put their hands on any age female back then. I just couldn't not tell you what most of us have gathered through videos and news reports.

[@shamaradanielson1945]

@@1lapmagic well I would hope you didn't punch a minor girl first .

[@shamaradanielson1945]

@@sneksteppy ?????

[@AMERICANsparky32]

If I'm at the store, I carry. If I'm at the park with my kids, I carry. If I'm inside my house, I carry. As a responsible gun owner with a firm understanding of the combination of mental instability and evil amongst the masses, I will never NOT carry. Stay vigilant, stay prepared.

[@LC.1990]

This is why I'm not having kids. Society is getting worse by the day. What will it be like when they're older?

[@stevem-h5e]

It's a helluva thing to live in fear.

[@LC.1990]

@@stevem-h5e yeah it is. Come visit Chicago, walk around or take public transit and tell me how comfortable you feel.

[@__shifty]

yeah yeah rambo. we get it. you're such a good little defender that you wont ever float the river with your family so that you can protect them from the river bandits. most ACTUAL shooters i know never talk about "i carry everywhere, i always have a gun, brag brag brag." but im sure you're a real bad ass.

[@LC.1990]

@@__shifty lol what are you even upset about? And you know "shooters"? 😂 This dude isn't bragging about anything. He's just saying he's prepared at all times because people are nuts. That's all.

[@peterbaxter573]

LMAO dudes over there dying and not a single (friend) is helping. their more worried about getting their bully on with an old man. How disgusting. I fell like everyone of those kids should be charged for the assault and stabbing.

[@gophukyurselvs3621]

It’s so pathetic to see people say that Nick was bullied to the point where he committed murder. So did Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold at Columbine High School. They were even physically assaulted and had urine thrown on them. Does that give them an excuse to go and commit murder?

[@vaati9364]

Can you believe that Jawahn Cockfield still gets to play football at St. John’s University in Collegeville, MN after he got his friend killed?

[@rachelsill79]

And I feel like you got your juris doctorate out of a happy meal

[@gophukyurselvs3621]

@@vaati9364 yes he’s a real man unlike Nic

[@vaati9364]

@@gophukyurselvs3621 They are both scum. what is wrong with you?

[@ChrundleTGreat]

There is no requirement for someone that is being attacked to retreat. THAT is Wisconsin law.

[@Officialmryuck]

They messed around and found out. Manners are a real thing down south. Everyone has firearms, that's why everyone is humble with each other down here 🤷

[@manuelpagan6857]

Was it self defense? I think I saw a group of younger people pushing around a older male is that what happened before the knife came out! Anybody die?😕😕😕

[@dierdredire]

Yes there was a most regretable death of young Isaac, 17 years of age. As stated even in the title of the video. The words “fatal stabbing” and even “disembowel” to some extent, are indication enough, for those understandably avoiding to go through the video.

[@BoxingLegends2024]

they were slapping & punching on that man when they knocked him down they set their own demise when they did that!

[@Mavrik9000]

@@manuelpagan6857 If it's too long and confusing watch the summary at 9:05

[@yeeturmcbeetur8197]

Don’t ever mess with an old man until you know what kind of young man he was.

[@H-Town_83]

Well to be fair it's not as if they were beating the shit out of him. This isn't a proportionate response.

[@griffincontracting]

​@@H-Town_83

[@triciac1019]

@H-Town_83 Yeah, actually, they were beating him up. He was only snorkeling, looking for lost jewelry and minding his own business. Then these six drugged and drunk 17 year old started screaming, calling him a perv and that he was looking for little girls. They escalated it from there. Then, four grown men joined in. They kept pushing him down in the water and even pushed his head under the water. So ten against one.

[@ericawilson4759]

Whew! That is some good advice…

[@beantea5592]

​@triciac1019 why does he charge at them and grab their tube's while they're still in them at the beginning of the video? And why did he stay there after them and other people who weren't in their group told him to walk away?

[@pickmeaname]

The legal alcohol level for a minor is 0.00 Operation of a motor vehicle is 0.08, or .080% Deceased level was 0.219, almost 3times the level for an adult to be charged with DUI Very drunk 17 year old.

[@bromontana8100]

These kids are going to get jumped if recognized in public. Prosecution also needs to put them in jail

[@jeffminnich3291]

i agree, if it was my dad, these kids would have to worry for the rest of their short lives.

[@gOat_GrandMa]

I'm pretty sure after the trial they won't feel any remorse for what they did, but everyone else won't let them forget either.

[@beach355991]

These kids were out of control with a mob mentality

[@HunterB738]

They learned the hard way

[@alexi.3414]

The guy with the knife certainly didn't look like a "kid".

[@AP-gq1xt]

Probably a forced birther who believes in the death penalty. I’m ashamed for any offspring you produced. Gross

[@Rodrigo-n4o]

@@alexi.3414 He was not out of control with mob mentality. Try to read stupid.

[@LordBrittish]

@@alexi.3414They were big enough to gang up on an adult.

[@Twosuburbanchicks]

This man deserves to walk free! He protected himself against a hoard of wild animals!

[@Vyyc-m9g]

I would rather not have a serial murderer walk freely.

[@Madenthewest]

@@Vyyc-m9gyou are lost

[@Rancid_Ninja]

Minnesota has duty to retreat laws, will be manslaughter or murder whichever the courts decide

[@kommisar.]

@@Vyyc-m9g Only one person died and it was out of self-defense. You think people have to let thugs beat them up? You must be a woke Democrat.

[@TwinNthem]

What I was taught at a self defense class at a police station is if multiple people gang up on you it is legal to defend yourself and take lethal action if you feel it is life threatening

[@mella7161]

So a bunch of underage kids are out in public drinking beers illegally and arguing with people and end up getting stabbed?

[@jefferyharris4066]

🐕💚🍕 dogs like pizza 💩 shit happens 💩🎉🐻 trumpy bear and kellyanne in 2024 🇺🇸

[@robinchemin3631]

Yep

[@llg3pe]

Yep! Those violent teenagers f’ed around and found out. The man defended himself

[@GodsChosenMekAmoR]

SMH. That’s what it seems like.

[@TheBaldingHillbilly]

@@llg3pehe lunged for an unarmed girl tho bro like ??

[@BrianSalazar-kn5ng]

This is the total definition of “ F around & find out.

[@mikesmoth-v4w]

why is this even a trial? clear self defense.

[@debbiewren1520]

Maybe but knife didn't have to be used!!!

[@AngelLuluBlu]

He wasn’t afraid for his life so no it was not self defense.

[@policelivesmatter3685]

He stabbed two people that were walking away in the back. I’m only going off this video.

[@knowone11111]

Clearly self defense. ⬆⬆⬆ these folks are insane ⬆⬆⬆

[@jimmyconway2800]

​@@AngelLuluBluhow do you know what another person felt in a situation that's unlike one you've ever been in?

[@TheKuroArisu]

If I'm faced against a drunken teenage mob, heck yeah I'm going to defend myself. Parents should have taught those kids better and to stop lying in court.

[@mohmadiabdollah4384]

These crazy people you call children... Are you a fool? They are men and women, so I advise you to convert to Islam.

[@infiniterer287]

They were completely unarmed, this isn't self-defense.

[@donjuan2105]

​@infiniterer287 my God you are ignorant. They didn't need to be armed for this to be considered self-defense. This man was attacked by a group of drunken adults and he feared for his life. I hope you are never un this situation. In most states all you need for self defense is "being in fear of your life".

[@ronwolf5332]

​@donjuan2105 stabbing a girl in the back trying to get away is self defense. Your stupid showing

[@NotableSavage2]

@@infiniterer287 “I’m unarmed!” The man exclaimed after swarming a man with numerous cohorts and trying to harm him. Good luck out there.

[@BeLoud13]

This video vindicates the older gent who was being attacked by several punks. Just because they are teens doesn't mean they can be attacking.

[@dustinengle2570]

You’d have a point if he didn’t literally stab a little girl first. He stabbed a girl first. Especially being pushed a barely punched doesn’t equate stabbing someone. You’re just a pussy if you believe so.

[@taramay8174]

I feel like this is a product of degenerate parenting

[@paulosicne8498]

Agreed. 100% what I'm thinking.

[@joeskys2362]

@@paulosicne8498 Nope your both wrong, cause this is not the whole video He attacked the teens first. the reason why they attacked him is because he punched a teen girl.

[@royburnacoven3559]

​@joeskys2362 yah that's why they are smiling.

[@kaimart795]

Why have these ghastly teenagers walked away with no repurcussions? No one is safe around these horrid teenagers walking free.

[@ottomatic3123]

I have a suspicion that Madison thought she was a tough guy and got physical, thus she got punched. Now Isaac is dead and her friends got stabbed. I have seen it in many videos. Some woman thinks she's untouchable and batters a man, which usually sets off a violent group reaction. Don't get dragged into nonsense because of some delusional broad.

[@DeathOfARockStar]

No accountability. Not surprised you blame this on a woman.

[@nathanbain798]

In every video the women is pushing telling him “get outa here” She should have kept her hands to herself

[@verro9953]

@@DeathOfARockStar So a woman can never be blamed?

[@thevigilant6884]

It’s always women who get men kill each other.

[@sentientnutsack5197]

Facts

[@noahgonzalez5589]

This happens so quick, a lot of times- you won't even realize there's a knife out until it's too late.

[@남동우-v7t]

The stupidity and delusion of screaming "This isn't real" makes me sick. Yes it is. Life is no Nintendo game...

[@dehavillandcanadadhc-6twin20]

He was obviously in shock...

[@DARTHMPK]

@@dehavillandcanadadhc-6twin20 which is wild considering how much he was egging on the aggressive behaviour.

[@IhaveaDoghouse]

@@dehavillandcanadadhc-6twin20 still brain dead, hopefully they grew up that day.

[@SavingSoulsMinistries]

and then screeching like a 4 year old haha

[@foylebutler8952]

too much tik tok.

[@mssmith9227]

That poor man should have left the moment he felt threatened. Those kids should be ashamed of themselves.

[@TommyzCrazy]

well some died so I don't think that man is so innocent

[@gOat_GrandMa]

@@TommyzCrazy Neither are those teens, they were drunk and felt entitled to bully the guy to his breaking point.

[@tracyrodwell]

Multiple young people who have been drinking against one man & holding him under the water? Threaten & gang up on the wrong person and this is what happens...

[@MK-ui6gt]

No one held him under water? Are you also blind or just stupid?

[@nicholasmaddalena1451]

He had stabbed 2 people already when he hit the water...do you not watch the video?

[@Sammysapphira]

@@nicholasmaddalena1451 You seem to have not

[@justingandy4259]

That man wouldve been dead if this wear Florida

[@claytonelkins4807]

@@nicholasmaddalena1451yeah I have and that’s completely inaccurate.

[@superhashbrom8441]

Don't attack an old man next time

[@deezNUTZZ-gp6hh]

THE ONLY INTELLIGENT COMMENT ON HERE,, BRAVO.

[@OldMillenniall]

You missed the part where he assaulted a woman first. Which led to him being knocked off his feet.

[@aya5468]

True. Older people probably don't mind jail as much considering how little time they have compared with younger people maybe 🤔

[@vanman757]

Exactly mate !!

[@blackhawk_1317]

Exactly

[@manwich5364]

Self defense. If more than one person surrounds you and taunts/assaults you, you should have the right to use force. Hopefully, people learned something from this.

[@tonygunk86]

Rittenhouse all over again

[@supertruckertom]

@@tonygunk86 Mob attacks individual. Similar but Mob in this case did not have a gun also.

[@craiglockwood981]

Problem is Miu used the wrong type of force. This is not self defense.

[@Immortal_BP]

problem is he was pushed and then slapped by the same teen. one teen. after that is when he started gutting everyone around him regardless of innocence. you would know this if you watched the video and actually looked at it while using your brain cells or rather brain cell.

[@sim_city]

Not self defense if you leave and later return with a weapon. Glad you aren't a lawyer, mate.

[@ShatterMask]

The kids 100% started this by being idiots.

[@RonOside]

Hard lesson about not harassing guys more than 2x your age. You have no idea what kind of fermented wine you're about to take a drink of.

[@llg3pe]

Truth

[@insaneconqueror5421]

Also don't be a grown baby.

[@martyjoseph9507]

I'll have to do some research on this. I was wondering why a guy my age is separate from his group and mixed in with younger people. This is the first video I've actually clicked on the subject.

[@pamelag7553]

@OCEANSIDEGANGBUSTER, hard lesson? You're an ass.

[@leflopjames5628]

Zoomers are the most spoiled and idiotic generation ever.

[@Rebel1280]

Cant believe he was found guilty after so many of the kids were underage and drunk too. At some point people gotta start taking action against this.

[@fleapo0p2946]

he was found guilty because he killed someone. get that in you're head. there was something seriously wrong with that man too

[@darksideblues135]

Right. I could tell, the way Nicolae moved, he was pretty hammered.

[@musicbruise]

@@fleapo0p2946 Fucking thank you, holy fuck a rational person in this comments section jesus fuck I can't believe I had to look this hard

[@kayc5750]

@@musicbruiseright?!!! Like how are people justifying this!

[@shzykh]

I agree. America has really gone down the shitter when you can't kill people for petty inconveniences anymore.

[@singerkgreen]

Don't start none, won't be none. They attacked this man and got their guts spilled into the river as a result. FAFO is one of those "for the culture" things the kids were chanting as they assaulted him, and they got the full FAFO experience.

[@lilithyolanda9851]

before yall defend Miu and scream “iT wAs sELf dEFenSe” search up excessive force. You will see key words such as: - using a weapon against an unarmed person - continuing to attack after threat stops - inflicting serious harm over minor threats - multiple stabbings when one would suffice it - using force when there is safe alternatives exist All of which Miu has done. He is guilty plain and simple. The people that are denying it simply have a vendetta against bratty teens. Some people aren’t meant to be lawyers so don’t argue as if yall could be one. Subjective biases does not make someone innocent.

[@roosterdope6778]

“They didn’t notice he had a knife” well maybe don’t start a bunch of shit in the first place and none of this would’ve happened anyway

[@Angela_2819]

It doesn't matter who started it. That man deserves to go to prison for a long g time.

[@ThatOpalGuy]

Ever notice how all the alpha males are the biggest snowflakes

[@Gatsu_Gambino]

​@@Angela_2819umm yes it does matter dude He defended himself against a bunch of drunk kids... 🥴 Next time stfu He will get away with literally only like a 1 to 3 year sentence if anything...

[@hoidoei941]

@@Angela_2819Self defense did you actually watch????

[@bmac6730]

​@hoidoei941 Did you watch or do you have tunnel vision?

[@Macreadysshack]

They assaulted him and he defended himself. It’s clear as day. It was a senseless tragedy. That gang of young men should not have attacked him.

[@craiglewis8272]

I thought they were protecting the girl that he punched in her face

[@davidh9354]

He punched a woman in the face, it was the instigating act according to this footage. What are you smoking?

[@samhilton4173]

He defended himself from a man defending the mans friend who was just assaulted. It isn't self defence if you start the fight then escalate to weapons. And also he gutted the guy, it wasn't a defensive swing or stab, it was a crazy brutal and cruel move.

[@tyrellwreleck4226]

The lady attacked him first. They kept pushing him down. He was already on the ground and being surrounded. He can't even stand up. How can you defend yourself when you're being outnumbered and can't even stand up

[@jackburton4892]

​@duncanmacleod7287Ya I don't understand all these kids saying "he hit a girl first" over and over. She was pushing him in his face while the drunk gang surrounded him. I guess that's why the teens keep lying on the stand. lol

[@bigjohn7932]

This man lost his phone, was harassed by the Youngs crowd and they attacked him physically and pushed him under water. With all of the mob violence these days caught on video, I certainly can see where this man felt threatened and defended himself. Unfortunate, to say the least. They could have helped him but they messed with the wrong person. 😢

[@81suze]

⁠he didn’t show the knife and his friend was nearby. His face shows anger, not fear, he didn’t leave, his ego was wounded. He is narcissistic, lies with ease and he is unfazed by violence and death. A truly scary individual !

[@imadogsass6717]

@@81suzeno, he was assaulted and choked by thugs, do you support thugs assaulting innocent people?

[@ilaser4064]

@@81suze not sure how you're seeing anger, to be honest looks like he was spaced out, so maybe drunk but there was definite fear there too. Not defending him stabbing multiple people, but after watching the video the kids in this situation are far from innocent.

[@DtLS]

@@81suze Anger? He looks confused, probably concussed from them assaulting him.

[@fjaramillo1133]

@@imadogsass6717delusional clown 🤡

[@mattparr3038]

The bible says the wise person sees the trouble and goes the other way, the fool walks right into it and suffers consequences. Walking into a situation like this is just bound to be bad.