Apple River stabbing trial: Full victim testimony

Anthony Carlson took the stand in the Apple River stabbing trial. Carlson was one of the victims of the stabbing.
His brother and father testified on April 2.
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[@AdellaBluReels]

How can Apple River tubing be considered family-oriented ? Everyone is drugged up and intoxicated.

[@dark_natas_666]

Sounds like a day of "family" tubbing to me. Same thing that has in San Marcos, TX.

[@peahl9872]

@@dark_natas_666same in washington lol

[@MathewWoodard]

@@peahl9872hey! Washington here too, what rivers do you tube on?

[@petergriffin383]

That's literally everything today... cookouts, 4th of July gatherings, concerts, sports games. People these days just can't seem to celebrate or get together in groups with getting wasted, loud and obnoxious. The biggest lie ever told is- "society isn't getting worse, you just hear about it more."

[@dark_natas_666]

@petergriffin383 I agree with most of what you say until the end. Plenty of people have been murdered, just like the young man represented in this trial. I'm 50 and grew up next to a lake in Texas, and I remember this stuff going on as a child. People have been killing people since the dawn of time in horrendous ways.

[@SharonM-b1g]

I have two sons and no way would I ask them to deescalate a disturbance. If your worried all the Police

[@pkhappystudent5868]

You sir are a wise father. Unfortunately, the father in this situation was a fool.

[@kimschlehuber4339]

Why would a father send his son and not go himself. Better to call police, but by the time they would arrive it would be to late.

[@richman3424]

true words there. simply not my issue why get involved

[@LiberteCherie-ev7kp]

In a state of intoxication, it is not wise and smart

[@Lizs1231]

Thank you my first thought..Stay out of harms way would have been wiser 🙄

[@matthew5649]

A very unimpressive group of friends. our eyes and ears don’t deceive us. We can see their actions and behavior, and we can hear their words, tone and provocation. By no means am I siding with the defense but these kids are a bunch of wise guys and they got themselves in a very messy situation.

[@dz7a756]

​@jasonvoorhees5640 ...no he should've continued to walk away. Be well and be at peace.

[@briancosgrove3261]

​@jasonvoorhees5640 what about the girl he literally stabbed in the back for no reason?

[@suburbantrapqueen]

They’re not kids! They’re 20 fucking years old!! 🙄

[@gojobuddy]

They got many other’s stabbed and hurt as well. Actually those screaming help, he’s a pedo, rapist etc.. Should be charged as well. They could have easily went around him. The fool with the camera admitted Mui said he was looking for his snorkel

[@jovanalmen8660]

​@@suburbantrapqueen Ditto!

[@Tinks82]

The punk recording, was more concerned with turning his phone around to take a SELFIE, bc he wanted to capture his facial expression instead of helping his friend, who was bleeding & dying under water!! SHAMEFUL & SELFISH!!!

[@AMFDinATXTX]

He was ending the recording dimwit. So, he turned it around to press the right button. I know you still love your landline but try to keep up. Shameful! 🙄

[@pkhappystudent5868]

They were all wasted kids. Pathetic that some of them were in their 20’s, seemingly with no common sense. All led by good old dad who kept his rear end, safely wedged in his inter tube. Pathetic excuse for a father.

[@AndroidJackson]

@@AMFDinATXTX IQ not detected. Based on your explanation, the screen with the button would be facing away from the user while the user is filming and unable to see what is being recorded. Even if Dr. Seuss designed the phone the punk recording is using, taking the time to record an outro to his sure-to-go-viral snuff film instead of rushing to help his supposed "friend" who is currently "finding out" the consequences of his befriending of people who "fuck around" makes him a piece of shit (imho) in addition to an insufferably loud overly hostile fkwit. A mistake i suspect you likely make frequently as the *smart*phone you use to make inane combinations of words and emojis (see above), take selfies, and use to google "what is a Ukraine" has more memory, processing power, and more instances of being described as "smart" than you will have ever have. Congratulations if you made it here without the assistance of a dictionary and a therapist.

[@WindTurbineSyndrome]

Drunk people often lose inhibitions so camera recordist is showing his true nature. He sees dollar signs capturing violence for online viral video fame and wants viewers to know who he is.

[@JL-zn7me]

Although I’m thankful this was on video, the guy with the phone was obnoxious from the start. He was also in no hurry to help Issac.

[@Gunn27]

If anyone has any sons don’t tell them to go over and break up when strangers are fighting.

[@OhSnap-kb9vr]

And if you have any daughters, tell them not to help bully old people, children or puppies to try to impress a group of young men. Even without all this negativity and horror, its pretty pathetic.

[@marklittler784]

@@Gunn27 Especially intoxicated

[@robertthomasjones9278]

Alcohol is the worst for aggressive behavior

[@jeannineterese1037]

It creates aggressive behavior.

[@johnswanson3741]

Whiskey......the fun time drug!

[@flenzy]

How much did the man have to drink?

[@citizenoftheearth6]

Alcohol is the worst. Period.

[@jeannineterese1037]

@@flenzy they mentioned his BAC during testimony. He admitted he was drunk.

[@mariocondello2353]

Never underestimate how little a stranger values your life.

[@jenniferjacobsen6867]

TRUTH

[@unawakeful6931]

Especially when you're harassing, humiliating and assaulting that stranger.

[@doracampos2088]

@@unawakeful6931 Exactly

[@themythhunter9764]

​@@unawakeful6931I'll say it again, grow some skin! Since when do we kill someone over words and a physical altercation?

[@athenarocks7657]

@@unawakeful6931say it louder for the people in the back

[@sodman4874]

It is mind-blowing how many people want to be bullies without consequences.

[@briancosgrove3261]

Do you think Kyle Rittenhouse is a murderer?

[@CaseyBerard-qv6bi]

No

[@carolsisti7203]

Entitled kids.

[@Who_attackedFirst]

​@@briancosgrove3261😂😂 dude ran out 2 -3 times and the pedophile still chased him despite saying he'll shoot. Never take a skateboard to a gun fight, you'll lose

[@Who_attackedFirst]

​@@briancosgrove3261😂😂 dude ran out 2 -3 times and the morons still chased him despite saying he'll shoot. Never take a skateboard to a gun fight, you'll lose

[@thedullone]

I think the judge is getting a little fed up with all the bs

[@soloride5628]

Me too I feel him if is like that

[@candykane4271]

Prosecution is an inept at speaking clear sentences in a legal formed sentence.

[@jonholla6463]

​@@candykane4271how's that guilty verdict taste? Sorry you guys can't stab kids cuz they hurt your feelings

[@christagarrison3719]

For the life of me I cannot understand why none of these “witnesses “ for the prosecution didn’t have some kind of of charges against them nor did any of age person for the alcohol consumption

[@ConstantGardener-q9q]

Tragic lesson for teens that don’t understand the difference between social media bullying and “dragging” and real life. There are consequences. That’s why you hear one of them yelling “is this real? Is this real?” Cuz they didn’t seem to know the difference

[@chantallennox1201]

Absolutely. You can’t just be calling someone a pedo cause you feel like stirring the pot for your drunken amusement. Intent matters and the young man with the dreads was intent on causing drama, not in being reasonable. In his testimony he said they could have kept floating down river but they chose to go over and keep escalating (and filming) the situation

[@judithgannon5642]

​@taramcgavan7654he nelieved he was fighting more than 5 people

[@ConstantGardener-q9q]

@taramcgavan7654 eh, watch the videos. A bunch of drunks attacked him and were cackling gleefully about it. They phucked around and found out

[@ConstantGardener-q9q]

@@chantallennox1201 exactly! It was for their amusement, thinking they could trifle with strangers… until they “found out.”

[@1killacallie]

The older guy had all the time in the world to walk away. I don’t care what anyone says to you, you don’t have the right to physically assault people. He started the physical altercation by hitting the woman. Teenagers are dumb but this man was old enough to not engage in this altercation. Someone had already broke up the physical altercation before he decided to start stabbing people. I’m all for self defense but in now way did it appear to be a life or death situation for the old guy. He was clearly impaired (as were almost all of them) and was not thinking correctly. There’s also consequences for his actions and he deserves to go to jail.

[@ed209v6]

And to think if everyone had stepped back and gotten their heads out of their asses none of this would've happened.

[@melsafken764]

If the old drunk guy had just ignored the kids going by on inner tubes, instead of charging out to the middle of the river...

[@ashleyrose3341]

​@@melsafken764 If maybe kids were taught how to respect their elders then maybe none of this would have happened 🫣

[@melaniaarnett1755]

MAybe the so called adult , male defendent should learn to walk away instead of walk up to peopl who offend him verbally and get physical and violent like a coward and a psycho

[@katherinedinwiddie4526]

@jasonvoorhees5640 he came to them twice. The second time he charged at the boys in the tube. Keeping the group from leaving. He did not talk to them just walked up and around the tube. Had he stayed with his group none of this would have happened.

[@ognir66]

@@katherinedinwiddie4526 Completely debunked nonsense.

[@lilithstribe]

Tragic lessons for everyone involved. Everyone.

[@lynnhauenstein4136]

Absolutely true. No matter outcome of trial. Lessons should be taken from.this.

[@joelperez3159]

😂​@speccyiiii7677

[@jameshw9751]

What did the dead guy learn?

[@lilithstribe]

@@jameshw9751 Ask him.

[@rico5393]

​@@jameshw9751he learned what the afterlife looks like

[@Chefnot]

Choose your friends wisely and be cautious with enemies.

[@marklittler784]

Be cautious with the drugs & Alcohol more like.

[@johnlee2113]

Sad that the kid has to be die, but all i see in the videos is multiple people attacking a guy. If that was me i wouldn't know who is who. For what I know is they are all together coming from me

[@Guiu-fo6tv]

​@taramcgavan7654 that's not what I saw in the footage. I saw him go towards them, do something at which point the defendant did in fact walk away. The commotion the teens started brought other ne'er do-wells to "help". At that point they continued to harrass tuant and then attack the man.

[@dougg1075]

Agreed. But he tried to lie to the police and evade

[@timturner7545]

​@taramcgavan7654 why was he going towards them?

[@Guiu-fo6tv]

@timturner7545 in the beginning? He was actively searching for *goggles* (see the testimony from the camera man, they show the first video he took just before this one, which shows how all this started). The camera man then says "YOURE LOOKING AT LITTLE GIRLS?! WHAT?!" While laughing. Everyone aged 36 and younger know full well what that kid was doing- I'm pretty sure many of us engaged in that behavior (we used to call it trolling in my day) when we would intentionally repeat an inflammatory remark as if that's what we heard- this is to get a rise out of someone or to mildly make them uncomfortable or embarrassed. The behavior isn't intended to be harmful- but it is. As an adult now I recognize that.

[@brentbeardsley655]

​@@Guiu-fo6tvgood call. His comment provoked the crowds behavior and furthered the us-them mentality. Then alpha male pack behavior took over and dude felt threatened. Both sides could have prevented this. Alcohol wins again.

[@mikefederighi9081]

I'm sure glad there was a video recording because it seems no one can remember anything. Can you imagine a group of young people with such memory loss and hearing issues? Old age is going to be really rough for them. I call horse manure on several parts of these witnesses' testimony.

[@kimborowski4187]

Ptsd causes memory loss

[@cattnipp]

they were drunk and high and probably also dehydrated on that river. Also, weed is horrible because it makes you laugh at stupid stuff, part of why they thought the stupid taunting was so funny was because the idiot teenagers were on THC.

[@cattnipp]

THC, not PTSD.@@kimborowski4187

[@rockstarofredondo]

@@kimborowski4187so does drug and alcohol abuse.

[@kaylavarela7215]

@@cattnipp!!!!!! At first I was like it’s convenient how they all don’t remember certain parts and those parts show them as the aggressors. But think the more I watch I realize, they all were drunk as hell. All saying they had one drink, one or two shots, let’s be realistic. It was a party out there, everyone’s going tubing and hanging out, everyone’s DRUNK and basking in the sun which makes them drunker faster. Then throw in the weed that some people don’t remember smoking and others had just a few puffs or “a little bit”. It’s sad all around but the shit memory makes a lot of sense. They probably didn’t even understand what was happening, what they were inciting, until after when they were coming off their high and things started clicking.

[@aquilinaciamacco2410]

My God....who is raising up this new generation of DEMONIC teens?!?!?! The sound like they were all HIGH a.f., drunk, and gang-beating this poor elderly man who had just recovered from life saving open heart surgery! All these teens need to be prosecuted and do jail time for the unwarranted assult on this individual who single-handedly survived a gang-assault!!! 13 punks to 1 old man?!?!?! C'mon now.

[@KnockOut101inc]

they all were high and drunk af. they smoked weed and had BAC of around 0.2

[@Frenchick]

@@KnockOut101incand they were all underage too. Little punks.

[@anti-ethniccleansing465]

@@Frenchick Nope. They ranged from 17-24/25.

[@Frenchick]

@@anti-ethniccleansing465 I’m talking about the first group of teenage boys who started this whole thing.

[@spencersauto1]

Yes they are the ones that should be on trial

[@melissamunoz8760]

Do any of these prosecution witnesses accept any responsibility for the death of Isaac? They should and so should their parents and the adults who supplied the alcohol to them. So shamful and sad.

[@JoshSand-bl3wi]

Exactly…… they were all taunting the man and then pushed him!!! They are as much responsible

[@beautybliss7127]

No, it seems to me that EVERYONE was drinking that day on that river. The only one that killed was the 54 yr old man Nicolae described by his lawyering in the opening comments as intelligent and peaceful. They taunted but he turned it deadly and violently.

[@sweettea1600]

​@@beautybliss7127No, they were adults. Not kids, not minors, 6-9 of them try to attack a man and he had to defend himself and had every right to do so. From 6-9 other younger stronger adults. They started it. Someone got killed over it. It wasn't the attackers or the man who defended himself that was killed. It should have never happened. Drinking Adults taunting and bully another single adult. It's definitely a shame and a loss of life but none of the ones that started it or even remorseful. They just want to say it was the older man's fault. 6-9 people coming as a single person is an attack, it's a gang beating. My opinions and thoughts only.

[@briancosgrove3261]

​@@sweettea1600he pulled out the knife before they ever touched him. He stabbed a girl in the back and the guy who was breaking it up.

[@beautybliss7127]

@@sweettea1600 They taunted him, he started to walk away, turned and came back because his feelings got hurt. He then hit or attempt to hit one of girls so someone pushed him in the water. The water was less than knee deep so no danger of drowning, the slap was equal to wet noodles across his cheek, his pride got bruised so he escalated the situation and turned it deadly. The teens were not some kind of street gangsters that he felt threatened. They didn’t have weapons, they did not threaten him, they merely were drunk and yes annoying but hardly dangerous. The guy is unhinged, guilty at least of manslaughter and attempted murder.

[@NanaSusanna-i8f]

Can I remind everyone they were also all laughing…

[@melsafken764]

Because they didn't know he was slashing people. You can't hear a knife.

[@clc7763]

​@@melsafken764But you can sure hear them taunting him and making up lies about him, don't you

[@DJ-jm5mu]

Are you joking? Who cares if a bun chi of dumb kids call you a name you’re on a river, float on by. He obviously knew he was going to stab them, why would he start going after a group of drunk guys, he definitely would have lost that fight if he didn’t have a knife. I don’t know how someone didn’t think to use a river rock to help de escalate the situation.

[@PhyreReighn]

In the USA that does not merit death!! There's consequences for killing here !

[@raymondcampusano2991]

@@PhyreReighn Yes, and there are consequences for hitting someone.

[@bambiber4722]

A father sent his 2 drunken sons to sort out a problem? Ghats some dad

[@rockstarofredondo]

Have you seen him? He actually testifies and isn’t ashamed at all. It’s unbelievable what the Carlsen group thinks is normal behavior.

[@bambiber4722]

@rockstarofredondo he actually said he didn't allow to much alcohol as he didn't want drunk people at his birthday. His 2 sons were 10 times over the limit and pissed

[@rockstarofredondo]

@@bambiber4722I know. It was ridiculous. He contradicted himself multiple times like the rest of these “victim” witnesses.

[@vickijo2343]

they are victims...😊

[@kimberleyshort8807]

​@@bambiber4722 he wasn't even twice the legal limit. Where are you coming up with 10 times? He was .119 and legal limit is .08. Nobody could get to 10 times the legal limit they would be dead way before that.

[@kcwestern]

The people that “came to help” really escalated the violence. They deserve jail time too.

[@alanboody7004]

Tony here, as the video confirms, was breaking it up and Mui even stabbed him after aggressively going at a girl and stabbing her in the side.

[@alanboody7004]

Defense is trying to pretend everyone there was surrounding Mui, as a group, when in reality nobody surrounded him and at no point was any of the physical contact (even pushes) at the level of serious bodily harm.

[@l-train7876]

@@alanboody7004Tony - do you guys take any accountability for escalating the situation?

[@alanboody7004]

@@l-train7876 well, I wasn't there so I'm not sure why I should take any accountability for anything. However, based upon the video, it's clear Tony was trying to de-escalate the situation. He wasn't attacking Miu. He was getting between people and yelling at people to back off. What I did see is Miu calmly take out the knife, saying nothing, and calmly opened it. I do see the part where it looks like the girl that got hit by Miu was stumbling back, and I have heard from multiple witnesses he hit her before it escalated to shoving. I have yet to see any action taken that could be viewed as attempts at serious bodily injury to Miu.

[@l-train7876]

@@alanboody7004 oh sorry I thought you were saying that you were Tony!

[@jenn9813]

There's no way i would've sent my son(s) to go de-escalate an altercation amongst strangers.

[@ItsJADA]

That was the first lie

[@petergriffin383]

This judge is top notch, extremely attentive!

[@pattymelt-go3fv]

He's great! He tells the jury "What lawyers say is not to be considered facts...only listen to the witnesses". I've never heard a judge make that point so clearly! His "SPEAK UP" sign.. 🔥🔥🔥

[@ambermorris4403]

Play stupid games win stupid prizes

[@chrisjenkins203]

I would strongly disagree. The judge even mentions at one point that he’s “totally lost” and has not kept up with that particular line of questioning. Sorry, that’s not considered “sharp” and/or “attentive” 🙄

[@anti-ethniccleansing465]

He sucks - He’s exposed himself to be totally biased in favor of the prosecution.

[@petergriffin383]

@anti-ethniccleansing465 How so? If it seems like he over rules the defense a lot on cross it's not because of bias, it's because during cross there's more leeway given during as far leading, and other formalities, the defense is well aware of this rule so the common strategy is to object as much as possible without looking bad to the jury, they're also aware many of their objections will be overruled during this time, but the strategy is to do it anyway...but again, not in a way not that will put off the jury. I can tell this judge understands the gravity of this case and is "by the book"

[@Boyitellyouhwhat]

The howling DEI hire behind the camera is the one that should be charged. He instigated the whole thing with his lies and got his friend killed.

[@candykane4271]

Jawahn Cockfield and at the end he’s so far away still videoing

[@audibjornsson6107]

The "dad" admitted he had to change river floating locations because his kids had caused problems elsewhere.....hmmm

[@RichardZabielski-ql9ss]

His kids went to help not hit anyone

[@bmyra]

​@@RichardZabielski-ql9ssBS.

[@bmyra]

​@@RichardZabielski-ql9ssBS.

[@cosmicbear88-23]

he never said the kids were the problem. He just said he had issues with drunk ppl on other rivers.

[@BlessedTruly2014]

He never said his kids caused shit, but hey makes sense so many are just making stuff up, I 100% stand by these kids

[@debbies6494]

His brother is Dante, they were out there partying with their dad. I wonder how much he would”remember “ if it was is dad laying in the water being punched!! Dante was also 17 at the time. Way to go dad !! Feeding your underage kids alcohol to the point they end up so drunk , they cause someone to be killed!

[@Truelib99Hobbes]

It seems like Tony and AC are boyfriends, which is really unusual for a gay couple to be so aggressive.

[@Mark-eu6mc]

@@Truelib99Hobbesyou know what they say about those who assume

[@anti-ethniccleansing465]

⁠@@Truelib99Hobbes Who’s AC, if not Anthony Carlson (which IS Tony; Tony is short for Anthony)? Dante is Tony’s little brother. We literally saw Tony say that in this video clip near the end here, in his interview with the police. Did you mean to write AJ Martin?

[@ht2007]

They should be charged with felony murder or involuntary manslaughter or something

[@aquafina6544]

This must be prosecutor first time in court.. lawd he needs to do more moot court prep..

[@rsimmons1980]

lol

[@440-fishermandrock8]

The defense is who keeps getting yelled at by the judge 🤡

[@Cwgrlup]

Prosecutor pathetically collaborating everyone’s lies by coaching them.

[@GoRideConnor]

@@Cwgrlup So you support the man who did the stabbing after he was away and in no harm? Oh ok🙄🙄

[@sallytrued3804]

agree !!!!!!

[@berlin990]

None of these brats told the truth on the stand. They are trying really hard to downplay their part in it but the video contradicts what they say.

[@Nickh4929]

The video says that the guy ran up to them in the first place and wanted to stab clearly

[@candykane4271]

@@Nickh4929At what minute in the video? Better rewatch in slow mo.

[@randybobandy6522]

Why did all of these witnesses lie? I'm starting to think this is a case they are going to use to eliminate self defense.

[@JSS822]

this is the face of a bully after a victim fights back.

[@SamuelSaveli]

Dude this guy had already stabbed a girl before this young dude even showed up, wtf are you on about? Literal braindead comment section

[@NanaSusanna-i8f]

Just another crazy case in another crazy state. My kids would never taunt a person like these disrespectful group of punks.

[@cynthiaholmes8070]

Agreed, I started watching yesterday and went straight to my 20 year old girls and told them to never get in on a bunch of people going after a person. That's mob mentality, and they could end up dead or in a courtroom testifying about a death.

[@doracampos2088]

👏

[@doracampos2088]

Exactly

[@aidenl7981]

dont get too cocky

[@ocarwood4535]

have we all forgot kids have made mistakes since the start of time thats wat kids do they make mistakes learn from them and eventually grow out of it. people like u who r defending that man r all as weak as each other

[@DavidHopkinson-l8j]

Clearly the defendant has a case for self-defence. The guy who shot the video made sure of that.

[@knpstrr]

Not sure if deadly force was necessary from 14:40 on when he then stabbed 3 people killing one of them, never getting more than pushed off balance, and that push was after he already stabbed 2 people, meaning the push was in self-defense, which cost the young person his life.

[@DavidHopkinson-l8j]

@@knpstrr it's a bad situation all over.

[@Airamimosa]

​@@knpstrrHe was fearing for the rest of lambs, sheesh common sense!!

[@knpstrr]

@@DavidHopkinson-l8j Agreed, terrible how that all played out. Can't see him not getting convicted of the lesser charges though, it was reckless at that point (in my opinion of course)

[@jackson9282]

He has zero case, he pulled a knife and attacked when not only did he have a clear path to leave, he was being asked to.

[@shaneallen5030]

Its amazing how many self appointed drunk police officers were trying to " peacefully resolve" the situation.

[@jodievukmir3187]

😂😂😂😂

[@modernisto]

It’s amazing how many people think insults are physical attacks. 😂

[@mbrum3230]

​@@modernistoyou didnt see him get pushed into the water and struck?

[@GypsyQueen318]

@@mbrum3230 yeah, after he punched the girl in retaliation for insults.

[@mbrum3230]

​@@GypsyQueen318 I havent seen that at all. Only testimony i have seen is denials that that happened. Plus she approached him and put her hands on him. U really playung the "im just a girl" card. Shameless.

[@slyphwing]

Who sends their two drunk sons into a fight?

[@mamadukes3960]

This guy does not need to be on trial. They thought it was funny, tormenting him, calling him names, egging him on. They got what they wanted. Let the guy go and hopefully these spoiled brats don't do this again

[@truecrimejesus]

I was very disappointed the jury didn't have the courage to do what was right. The jury absolutely got this one wrong. But for Madison Coen and J. Cockfield, Issac would still be alive.

[@DBKtoday2]

I do not think anyone saw this girl get punched - I think they all just heard it said by the same kid that called the old man a pedo, a rapist, said he told them he was looking for little girls…and then said that he hit the girl. Don’t think that ever happened most everything else you see on tape - but not that claimed hit. LOTS of these kids with SERIOUS accusations, harassment, yelling and bossing, in his face, in a mob frenzy, punching/pushing sometimes more than one a time - all surrounding him… self defense

[@candykane4271]

Her right face has no marks on it at all in the very clear seconds after photo…..it’s why they tried to say he hit her left cheek.

[@genericusername4705]

Teens ganged up on a guy and then act surprised when he defended himself. He's going to be acquitted.

[@MarcoPoncedeLeon-c9p]

Teens really feel entitled and dont beleive they are accountable for their actions.

[@MarcoPoncedeLeon-c9p]

They are living in fantasy land!

[@joycepayne3505]

I think he will be found guilty

[@davidmontoya1400]

He threw the first punch? You can’t claim self defense of you initiated the violence. And then continue to walk everyone down that was mean to you and stab them also. Ya the kids were Jean but he took it way to the next level

[@Ghost-pb5vl]

🤷​@@davidmontoya1400

[@Melissadacruzz]

I love how involved the judge is. Ive seen so many trials lately when the judge barely says a word

[@matthewmcnabb2043]

Parents, teach your children to pick their friends wisely and do a better job of raising them.

[@carolsisti7203]

Amen to that 🙏

[@makaylamoran3287]

Teach you're kids to leave when they're friends start acting like idiots and attacking ppl.

[@jameshw9751]

Also teach your kids never to go on a murderous stabbing spree.

[@ccy931]

​@@jameshw9751if it's 1 to 12 or 13 what can you say 😅 put yourself in that 1 guy shoes. What would you do. Fight or flight if they won't leave you alone. When people are with a big group of friends their heads gets bigger.

[@gojobuddy]

@@jameshw9751There is such a thing called self defense. Mr Mui did just have a heart attack and Triple bypass surgery 6 weeks prior. They could have very easily went around Mr Mui but chose to stand there screaming ridiculous crap that got their friend killed, and many stabbed. There is no law there that says you have to retreat in that state

[@tallgirlhappyme]

*IF Miu did this in "self-defense,"* WHY did he NOT immediately CALL THE POLICE as soon as he could, or go straight to the police station and file a report?!* 🤢 His actions afterward are NOT CONSISTENT with a self-defense situation. He KNEW the cops would be coming after him. He did not go and file a report of self-defense. *He let anger get the best of him and made seriously bad, and fatal, decisions.* NOT ONE, BUT 5 TIMES!

[@rockstarofredondo]

No phone reception there.

[@kathismith7441]

@@rockstarofredondohe lied about having a knife

[@pattysawicki9607]

Maybe he was traumatized duh

[@chrislewis3063]

Go ahead and call the police when you're in the middle of being beaten and pushed underwater and swarmed by like 15 drunks

[@Lot_2023]

6 times. When you're found. 🙂

[@dianahiggins1397]

You don't remember, not remembering that you don't remember what you forgot. Which you don't remember you forgot.

[@Neraa777]

Alcohol and water is a big no no !!!!

[@peahl9872]

thats tubing tho lol😂

[@holylandfan3275]

Basically, alcohol and any party or gathering never ends well. Someone gets hurt in some way, or an accident, or they hit someone while driving drunk on the way home. Thank God my family didn’t drink alcohol. Also, we were on the lake all of the time and my dad wouldn’t let us in a boat unless we had a life jacket.

[@lr8607]

Alcohol and knives are an even bigger no no !!!!

[@JennyLouLou]

Alcohol is poison. That's a fact. Noone ever regrets NOT drinking.

[@BUSTER.BRATAMUS]

OK Karen

[@HalfBackCrack]

The amount of people who thought that they were in charge that day is absolutely insane.

[@organicnature2679]

Everybody was a "hero" until they saw the video.

[@jennyg5426]

This guy should be on trial.

[@redrocketrider]

For what? Putting a hand on Nic's back?

[@MK-fk9ty]

The Defendant should have just left . He could have left when the kids were in their tubes. He could have left when the girls told him too. He clearly wanted the escalation. He's a psycho.

[@vlogplannet12]

He did leave. He left and went back to his group for 5ish mins (likely to get knife) then went back to kids. So he obviously wanted the escalation and intended to hurt kids.

[@mikefederighi9081]

Do you really think that if Mr. Miu had walked away that they wouldn't have followed him and continue to taunt him? Well I do.

[@rockstarofredondo]

@@mikefederighi9081they did follow him. It’s all on video.

[@chrislewis3063]

​@@mikefederighi9081 the final altercation happened after he tried to disengage bud.

[@ernestgreen6821]

BS These kids were drunk, thought they had a mark they could punk, surrounded him, humiliated him, threatened his life and got what they deserved!

[@tmzz3609]

" I didn't see him get hit, I saw someone get hit" These people are all liars

[@theresechretien3764]

I have never Seen a lawyer so unprepared😤

[@NickTheSheep1379]

Didn’t watch Amber Heards lawyers then huh… 😂

[@smith899]

@@NickTheSheep1379True, but Elaine had been a lawyer 30+ years. At least this guy is young.

[@NickTheSheep1379]

@@smith899 right which makes Elaine worse. This dude is another bumbler. Honestly none of them are all that inspiring.

[@angietiller2332]

One of the slowest

[@AnitaSouthall]

No wonder trials take so long with all this under prepared bull shite. And the wait lists for trials just get longer, justice ⚖ is not being well served in a timely manner

[@dustjunky2000]

Crazy how many drunk young people were all trying to break up a fight😂

[@jacquelinerobin7732]

You weren’t there. You can’t say that

[@macubaxx87]

There is a video that says it all.

[@chrissyscholl816]

​@jacquelinerobin7732 all these underaged young adults admitted to being drunk. We don't have to be there to know that alcohol was a factor here!

[@JamieLee711]

Props to this kid for being calm and collective in this situation. He answered accordingly and didn’t just give yes or no answers, he wanted to be clear of what n why he was doing what he was doing that day.

[@thebibleisright100]

Shut up

[@NanaSusanna-i8f]

They all had their hands on him

[@themythhunter9764]

It doesn't matter, it should not have ended with death!

[@jugz9130]

@@themythhunter9764u right , don’t attack and slap people and you won’t get killed

[@stellviahohenheim]

​@@jugz9130don't you get it? it doesn't matter! you should let people hurt you as long as nobody dies!

[@dougg1075]

When we were that age , there’s no way we would have accused an older man of peeping underwater and out our hands on the guy. We grew up knowing and older guy might get ya. He shouldn’t have tried to evade the police. The old guy should have made the 911 call. Bad all around

[@melaniaarnett1755]

@@jugz9130 He was the first one to attack people. He actually walked into the water over words instead of being a grown freaking adult and walking away

[@wvrjl]

He was NOT SURROUNDED!!!! WATCH THE VIDEO!!!! HE WAS AGGRESSIVELY MOVING FORWARD AND TRIED TO KILL A MAN WHO WAS JUST DE-ESCELATING! The defense is really good, Even though they keep asking leading questions and the prosecution absolutely sucks. I can't believe they put him on a multiple murder / attempted murder. case. This guy tried to kill people and it wasn't in self-defense. He was always moving forward. He never backed off and despite the defense lawyers, doing their best to pretend that he didn't initiate the violence by hitting that girl, he hit that girl.

[@HappiiWheels]

Go get your glasses and rewatch it. 😂

[@bmyra]

Louder. We can't hear you.

[@johnswanson3741]

She committed simple assault by screaming in his face. He then had every right to punch her back out of his legal safe space! It's the law!

[@chrissyscholl816]

He was in fact surrounded! I've seen the video multiple times. And he was also verbally and physically assaulted by 13 underaged belligerent drunks while he was alone and also (legally) under the influence of alcohol. He was terrified.

[@SamuelSaveli]

​@@chrissyscholl816u have no idea dude, wtf absolute delulu

[@CalvinTennessee]

What happens when a bunch of obnoxious, drunk, privileged teens meet an obnoxious, drunk, grown ass man who can’t walk away from a volatile situation. The whole thing is utterly ridiculous.

[@paulcarey191]

the man's ass was over grown?? - u seem to be concerned a little too much with people's ass's... earl

[@unclegoon347]

Possibly the best summation of the case I’ve seen… throw in the 3rd group of obnoxious drunk hillbillies, who seemed delighted to see a situation they could get involved in

[@xoPRECISEox]

Privileged? Right like poor non-privledged teens don't commit violent crimes and bully people. 😂 Also, not that it would even matter, but where is the evidence that they are privileged? I see zero evidence that these young adults are wealthy. Why is the guy creepy? Creepy because he's in his 50's? What so all old people are creepy? The young ones were acting like the creeps tbh.

[@no.name.required]

@@xoPRECISEox Agree on the first part, but in my opinion the grown up guy, seemd quite creepy, if you watch hes eyes and body movements, on the video segments.. Especially the one from the trail part where the guy filming is on the stand...

[@xoPRECISEox]

@@no.name.required he thought they stole a cellphone, that's why he looked upset. Idk the full story before the video started, nobody does. These kids lied so much in court this week. They all act like these couldn't see the guy getting beat up right in front of them, yeah because they were the one's assaulting and bullying him. 😂 They probably did steal the cellphone and snorkel.

[@unknown.8841]

They were all so stoned out of their minds on drugs and alcohol that they didn't pay attention to the knife in his hand. It seems more like they all ganged up on the guy in a drunken rage to the point where the guy had to defend himself...

[@Nickh4929]

The guy ran up to them in the first place......

[@Bucktanner77]

@@Nickh4929And no one attacked or touched him at that time. The unwanted touching and smacks came later, along with forced submersion. Henceforth Cpt stabbin arose from shallow depths

[@BabyShark-kd9jl]

A voice of reason in da culture of darkness.

[@victoriapeinado8028]

The teens look very serious & innocent in court verses in the video. The video shows them drunk laughing and bullying an elderly person ofcourse they push the old Men’s button no reason for someone to be killed tho. Teens have no respect towards their elders what’s happend to this new generation.

[@440-fishermandrock8]

50 is not elderly? We're the teenagers children then????? Miu is an alcoholic that raged out after the stupid kids started calling him names and hurt his feelings. Too bad that doesn't mean you get to punch , then cry wolf after they retaliate. And then you murder one of them

[@rockstarofredondo]

The Carlsen group were all over age 20.

[@Jsarmy87124]

🙄😒

[@Emerica.]

@@Jsarmy87124 🥴🥴

[@X2LR8]

"Elderly"? The man wasn't in his 70s or 80s.

[@happydayz7857]

Miu used punch-and-drag motions with the knife leading to people being gutted. That is literally a gutting motion. He knew what he was doing. Angry violent drunk seeking vengeance. The victims aren’t saints.. it makes a case harder to prosecute but it’s still murder. .

[@justinarthur1399]

Gosh...i don't know. You think self defense maybe. I'm trying to be neutral.

[@JohnMoran]

Have you ever been beaten up by a group of strangers? I have, something happens inside you and the animal comes out. You're sitting somewhere imagining it, which is completely different. I don't admire that he did this, but I understand the physiological response - especially if he'd been traumatized by something in his past.

[@jackmcminn2520]

He was punched in the face and had a mob of people calling him a raper he wasn't going to let them drown him he was in fear for his life he defended himself

[@neilwng]

@@jackmcminn2520 yeah, I also want to emphasize the name calling. Sounds innocent, but calling someone a raper/paedo is effectively calling for violence (or even death) on them. Also, if you've ever been jumped by a group of people you'll know how helpless you are and what a dangerous situation you're in. Even a single drunk violent person in a street fight can kill you. Now imagine a mob and you're in a foot of water.

[@shawnbrooks4571]

Well, if you notice in the video he is falling backwards when it happens. He wasn’t stable enough to do that intentionally. The guy was coming at him pushing him down

[@AnnSmajstrla]

I love how everyone in this comment section who wasn’t there thinks they know exactly what they’d do in this situation and thinks they would have responded perfectly 🙄

[@looking4things669]

Ann, 100%

[@ian5780]

Sanest comment in the whole bunch

[@markkulyas2418]

Most of us civilized human beings would have never behaved like these teens did, and that makes all the difference in the world. Instigating and provoking.

[@UrOnlyWarning]

What would You do if a pack of wolves surrounded You? Fetal position? Lash out? Just stand there?

[@FUCK_ALL_YOUTUBE_MODERATORS]

i wouldnt be a drunk and high asshole for starters or be anywhere near such people.

[@bunnylovesbostons]

38:56, "I gave him a light tap cuz there was alot of yelling" 👀 this guy and the last one lie multiple times. shocking to think these statements were deemed credible by the prosecution

[@Paul-fq4mm]

Exactly, they only telling the story that make them look like innocent scared little kids. That's what their wanting to protray. I really hope they don't get away with lying. All their stories match and they forgot the exact same things. This is a rehearsal if I ever seen one. If y'all don't remember that much how do you even know what y'all remember? Not very good witnesses

[@NicholasOlmscheid]

He put his hand on his back trying to break it up and thats enough to get stabbed??

[@bunnylovesbostons]

@@NicholasOlmscheid who are you trying to put words in my mouth taking what i said into an entirely different context where you don't even know what my opinion is about who deserved what or didn't. get a grip. four witnesses in a row today busted lying on the stand. sad to see it if you want a conviction based on evidence and statements on the stand. the guy you refer to said he did not hit him but he did and then proceeded on cross to call it a light tap. if you don't like that idea too bad

[@NicholasOlmscheid]

If you think its OKAY to stab/kill people (Including a young women) for accusing an older man for being creepy towards young women then I dont know what to tell you. @@bunnylovesbostons

[@bunnylovesbostons]

@@NicholasOlmscheid it's really dumb how you keep saying 'if you think it's okay...' ASSuming you know my opinion on what I think is ok or not when I never once condone ANY behavior by Any person involved shows you might have a social disease you should troll someone else with. as said once before, get a grip. and maybe a therapist

[@Homedog_]

They mobbed, outnumbered and attacked an old man..what would you think would happen?

[@SamuelSaveli]

It's obvious you know nothing about the case, an adult man has the chance to walk away, he had every chance to walk away but he went back with a knife in his hand. The kids were bullying him, verbally, yes I agree. But that doesn't mean YOU CAN KILL SOMEONE YOU PSYCHO

[@Homedog_]

@SamuelSaveli They ridiculed, laughed, made false accusations, slapped and pushed him down and made the first physical attempt by the manner of 5+ people, well that is textbook self defense you "PSYCHO." Dude had an underlying heart condition and was not able to defend himself...not to mention they lied underoath in a Courtroom.

[@TarotByGinger]

What a shame, huh? If you just left the guy alone and didn’t scare him, you never would have had that experience. But, let’s face it. You are above going to jail for your misbehavior towards another human being.

[@GrundleTwunt]

This is the only guy I feel bad for. He doesn’t seem like an aggressor and I believe as if now he was one of the only people trying to actually defuse the escalating situation that day and he didn’t deserve to get stabbed.

[@rhondabrown2085]

Yes he’s the only, you can tell he wasn’t for conflict. Smh dad did a terrible job with this situation

[@joecrawford-ub4mc]

Who'd have thought attacking, accusing, and strangling a man could possibly lead to getting stabbed

[@marklittler784]

😅🤸🤣🤸😅🤸😅🤸

[@TharaLetzISLANDER]

Because they are such good boys and so respectful and can’t even bat an eyelash…wow what such good boys….

[@timburton5950]

Note to those with kids and families, don't go tubing there is nothing but a drunk filled piss river and obnoxious people screaming obscenities while exposing their privates to tubers trying to enjoy a peaceful experience; will never go back to that crap hole! Oh, if you think you can avoid them, good luck as the current is very slow and you're guaranteed to bump into a large group with coolers of beer and whatever; I couldn't get to the landing fast enough with my kids.

[@danasimcho310]

I worked EMS for 12 year & have attended numerous trials, but I have never heard an attorney as annoyingly redundant as the defense attorney in this case.

[@candykane4271]

Because everyone was intoxicated and had memory loss.

[@tedged]

it's always toughest after the laughter stops

[@themythhunter9764]

Why, this should've never happened ! Grow some skin....are we all this weak that we can't handle name calling and a physical altercation without killing somebody? Evidently none of you have fought before?

[@ChristopherGray00]

think a solid lesson out of this is drink responsibly, dont just keep going until you're smashed, way too many people do this, just drink like a normal human being and stop when you feel medium effects. it's really not hard

[@differenttakethanmost]

WHY isn’t the defense playing and replaying that evil wolf-pack laughing from the video????? That speaks volumes.

[@themythhunter9764]

@@differenttakethanmost it's not a wolf pack! Omg have you never been around teenagers? The point is that all the name calling in the world does not justify stabbing all those people!

[@theodorebazin]

​@themythhunter9764 he didn't chase anyone, so they were all in his space. I think if they weren't so busy jeering they would have heard their friends start being horrified.

[@edwinleach7401]

One person against a mob? And the mob intoxicated with alcohol and other drugs. The poor man was fighting for his life against a mob. The fight or flight response we all have must have been invoked. In hind sight i'm sure he wishes he have chosen the flight response but it isn't a choice. It happens by instinct. It is a fight for survival. What a sad tragic saga.

[@foobarrel9046]

*_"My invincible de-escalation strategy was to jump in the fray and yell at everyone while drunk off my ass."_*

[@ninas4968]

I been there

[@sallytrued3804]

these people did not go floating down a river prepared for someone to stab them !!!!! how could anyone prepare for that?? and how in the name of God do you justify his completely horrid behavior....it is not against the law to drink geeze !!!!! that is the defense TRYING TO SAY HIS CLIENT WAS JUSTIFIED IN STABBING PEOPLE AND KILLING SOMEONE... BECAUSE THEY WERE DRINKING SO IT'S OK ....... I DISAGREE !!!!! OH AND BEFORE THE POLICE FOUND HIM WHY DID HE CHANGE HIS CLOTHES AND GET RID OF THE KNIFE ??????????

[@foobarrel9046]

​@@sallytrued3804 -- When one drunkard joins a mob of 12 other drunkards who have surrounded, are harassing, beating down and making shapes to drown an isolated man, one must expect him to fight back to save his life. If not prepared to deal with the natural consequences then better keep your distance (and guts inside belly). *_"Fear is the beginning of wisdom"_* , thus spaketh the LORD. *_"Fear the Boomer, lest ye harvest an Darwin Award"_* , he addeth, for those who are particularly slow in the uptake.

[@sallytrued3804]

@@foobarrel9046 We disagree....completely and utterly disagree.

[@melsafken764]

​@@foobarrel9046 Wow. Conspiracy fueled make believe award goes to:

[@kimberlee8567]

The video the instigator took should speak for itself.. all these lies and backpedaling are unnecessary.. the video is all that needs to be used to make a decision.. it was definitely self-defense

[@savannakokitka601]

Definitely not he could of walked away

[@justinarthur1399]

Ok...I might be leaning towards that. But,was his life in danger. Drunk underaged adults bulling a 54 year old. Assaulting him by pushing him. But he did strike the girl. Hmmm...I don't know.

[@kimberlee8567]

@@justinarthur1399 ...he thought they found the lost cell phone and was showing it to him.. that's the reason he even approaches them.. but they were actually just taunting and harassing him.. you can see the confusion on the old guys face.. this kid recording the video got the old man attacked.. his friend killed and several other stranger stabbed.. it's self-defense for the old guy and the full responsibility of what happened is on the kid who recorded and instigated it.. period

[@angiejorah]

@@justinarthur1399 he didn't hit the "girl"

[@angiejorah]

@@justinarthur1399 But the girls had their hands on his chest and arms pushing him.

[@christopherderoy3153]

Nobody had to die. Nobody had to get stabbed, but I think we can all agree they ganged up on and bullied this man. And all are lying under oath!! This is wild

[@timsmusic7349]

The stabbings were gruesome regardless of what anyone is saying. When I think of a stab wound, I imagine a deep cut in a person. I don’t understand why the knife was ripped up inside AJs abdomen and tearing him inside out. This was beyond violent.

[@jaluntaylor4596]

What you imagine and what is reality is different…

[@fioregiallo]

​@@jaluntaylor4596 not really. as someone who has been attacked and used a knife to defend themselves, on my own property, I definitely didn't rake my knife through her abdomen. I didn't have enough time to think about that. I jabbed. I was terrified I was going to jail but thankfully the cops believed me. There wasn't even an investigation bc she called 911 too and told on herself. She went to the hospital and then jail bc they caught her with all kinds of prescriptions that weren't hers. And just for the record, I didn't want to press charges because I genuinely couldn't handle it at the time. Plus.... I stabbed the btch. I won. I was already going through so much at the time it honestly feels like it was a dream bc it happened and was over sooo fast. I no longer live in a city, this was a big reason why I moved to a rural area.

[@l-train7876]

It’s because the kid in the yellow shorts pushed him right as the old guy stabbed him and the knife went up his torso as the guy fell back.

[@fioregiallo]

​@@jaluntaylor4596 not really. I typed an entire response and it was filtered, but as someone who has been attacked and defended myself with a 🔪, I definitely jabbed. Did not have the time to think about "digging around."

[@jaluntaylor4596]

@@fioregiallo self defense end of day doesn’t not matter the lethality of force when your life is on the line.

[@kaylavarela7215]

THIS guy seems like he was trying to deescalate but realized the man was already past the point of calming down easily so he tried to insert himself. Unfortunate for him, he seems the most innocent of the bunch. Had the right intentions. AJ however I don’t believe ever had good intentions, he wasn’t trying to deescalate, first just involved himself bc of the chaos, but then to get the man down and to hopefully stay down. This one didn’t even touch him with any intention to hurt him, he was just locked in defense mode already and stabbed him. It must be terrifying to have a ton of people surrounding you, hitting you, cursing you out. I keep good people with me always because I would hate to be in this situation.

[@gsustime]

The guy didn't even get punched. No reason to stab everyone

[@judithgannon5642]

​@@gsustimehe was swarmed and pushed down under water.

[@Crazy-Times.]

@@gsustimeare you saying that it’s ok for a bunch of 17,18,19,20 something year olds approximately 12 people swarming all around you pushing you down in the water constantly OK? I guess it would be all the same if this group k1lled the man to you right???? And apparently you don’t believe in self defense, anyone stands back and say this man had no right to defend himself has lost their dam minds!!!!!! This group intentionally targeted and instigated this fight unfortunately it didn’t end they way these young people thought And again people take Gen X for granted we grew up a lot different then then pansy asses

[@mysterywoman40]

@@judithgannon5642 He charged the teens while they were laying down on their tubes. The intention was clearly a threat.

[@judithgannon5642]

@@mysterywoman40 I finally had to go and watch it from the beginning. He was initially looking for a phone-in a waterproof case and went downstream. The kids sniped at him when he got around their tube. He dropped his snorkel stuff. He started to walk away. They jeered and called him Pedo. He came back, looking angry, said they took his mask. 2 girls got in his face. One poked or pushed him. Maybe. He poked her. Maybe. She didn't fall or drop her beer. Boys swarmed him. He smiles creepy. Pushing, falling, pushing, stabbing. Everyone was awful. Who wants to go to a family park if there's pack upon pack of drunks? Here, maybe this helps. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mmO3pqWYd7h0Y6ssi=E7SqKfOnDZh_yHaw

[@wereback3771]

Jumped an old man and shocked when he defended himself? Insane.

[@Vette76]

Exactly

[@AG07SC05]

100% 🙌🏼

[@bluejava9397]

@@AG07SC05 well too bad the jury didn't think so. Guilty.

[@charleyjaxx2493]

52 is not old.

[@angiejorah]

@@charleyjaxx2493 too old to fight 6 football players

[@claudinet.542]

It's the way that the defendant held the knife the entire time that is disturbing for me. WHAT NORMAL HUMAN HOLDS A KNIFE SHARP SIDE UP THE ENTIRE TIME?? He also stabs at least 3 people in the heart/lung area under the left arm. Thats a pretty strategic place to stab a person one time...but 3 times?? Where does a normal guy learn these things?? I can see alot of wrong things here but the handling of the knife stands out for me.

[@deenak79]

These are not stabs, they are slices! He sliced a huge part of their bodies, like scalping a fish. He's a madman. He's GUILTY!!!

[@almutstarke1344]

I thought about that too... in that pose one can do much harm to others... maybe he did marshal arts at one time... the whole incident is very tradgic and devastating... even if he was angry at thd teens and the women and was scared of many people sourrounding him, he could have acted differntly and try to deescalate himself... he seemed to let his rage out on these people he stabed and want revenge maybe mixed with anxiety? Hard to tell what was in the mans mind at the time... do we know if he was intoxicated aswell... Sadly so many involved had been intoxicated.... But what this man did... to me it was not only selfdefence.... he showed no remorse right after the incident, he tried to mislead the police by asking them questions as if he was not involved, he did nothing to help the victims , he did not call 911, he through the weapon away .. to me he was acting in parts like someone who amok runs... a lot happend in this incident... lam so sorry for that boy who lost his life and for the orhers who got injured so serverly... lam glad they all survived... and even if they made mistakes too... BUT nothing gives that man the right to murder and injure these people to that extend.... to me he is guilty... he did the most harm to others... But sadly all had some part to it and it escaleted even if for some the intention was to deescalate.... l would not really want to be in that jury... that is not so easey to rule on...

[@GrannyGirl5506]

That's what I noticed a lot. How he was holding the knife and his grip on it and posture at the time. He was ready to do damage and knew how to obviously. Apparently he was pretty strong be able to gut someone. Sad situation, jury will decide this man's fate but with those teens doing all the shouting and yelling slurs should have to at least go out and speak to groups as to what can happen with this kind of behavior for clicks, likes, recognition, money maybe. This in society needs to be called out and dealt with somehow. Over the top bullying with hate speech.

[@ReginaK2]

He had the knife palmed and ready when he turned around and came back. He never showed them he had a knife. I’m almost positive that is where the smirk came from before he hit the first girl

[@jamesbroomfield7799]

​@@ReginaK2yep. I agree. Because when he was pushed down, he immediately got up and already had the knife in his hand ready to go and stabbed the Isaac guy and disembowled him. He mightve lived in Ukraine or Poland during war time and been in combat. Which I agree with ppl saying kids nowadays need to be careful who they're chastising, even though they have free speech and can yell at whoever, but eventually they'll yell at the wrong person who's a psychopath like Mr miu. It looked like he had a flashback of working at a prison camp or something. The look in his eyes and they way his posture was looked like a deranged lunatic. He definitely wasn't in fear. He was trying to teach these kids a lesson. He's definitely going to prison for most likely the rest of his life. There no way he reached in his pocket and got the knife out that quick. He definitely already had it in his hand. He mightve had it folded close then hurried and whipped itvopen when his hand was in the water

[@abbyknapkins]

Why is it that EVERY SINGLE ONE of these witnesses can "forget" what they did and what they said (lie) but Nic is the only one being held accountable for the same thing.

[@candykane4271]

Well, it’s because he had the knife and unintentionally killed someone. But I think all the memory loss is cause for not guilty! And all the lies.

[@unitedwestand5100]

If the wound came when he was knocking his arm down, How did it make a V? And, why are all the prosecutions videos zoomed in so close as to block out the full scene? Is it so we can't see that Miu was surrounded and being attacked from all sides at the same time?

[@aSoldiersGirlieGirl]

Can’t they have an easier process to review this same video clip over and over?! It takes up so much time

[@NikolaTeslaEE]

You can control your actions, but you can’t control the consequences of your actions.

[@jessicanewberry5404]

Did this man get convicted of a crime here?? I don’t understand why there were so many people after him? What had he done to deserved to be treated that way. This is a shit show. “Excuse my language” There isn’t one person that knows what happened that day everyone was drunk high and was just bullying a older man. Made fun with name calling and pushing hitting a man with major health issues heart problems etc…all I see here is a bunch of bullies that are NOT being held accountable. So mark my words, this will happen again may not happen to this extent, but they will bully and they would hurt someone again. Accountability is a must. I’m not saying that the man is innocent by pulling out a knife, but obviously he felt like his wife was endangered therefore, this is tragic.

[@NanaSusanna-i8f]

Maybe if they kept their mouths shut it wouldn’t have happened 🤔

[@bluejava9397]

Or maybe if the old man had walked away.

[@HighRiseCollective]

Or if HE kept his knife shut

[@jackson9282]

Hear that kids, when a drunk angry werid guy walks up to your space, begins lurking around you , looking between your legs, moving your property around , circling around you, lunging at you, grabbing your property and holding it, blocking your path of travel, do the right thing, keep quite and let him continue. Logical and something all parent s should remember. You can't make this stuff up.

[@H1990-e2s]

@@jackson9282 your comment is all well and good except these teenagers had no idea if he was drunk, angry, or weird.

[@sneakyviewing4391]

I have no sympathy for Madison Coen she incited all of this. Exactly why she couldn't show her face on the stand. I've been a victim of abuse and DV. Having lived it I have no sympathy or cry stories for fake victims.

[@BabyShark-kd9jl]

I bet those kids did steal his property and dropped in on the other side of the river after all the commotion and shit they created. Those kids are evil.

[@Patriciamiliaaudits]

Who gave the minors alcoholic beverages and weed?

[@RealityBites-2tM-MtA]

Who cares! They are doing what every teenager and young adults do... unfortunately. If you have ever raised a teenager guess what they did just that too unless you had them locked in the basement!

[@vangtk10]

Probably a responsible adult (sarcasm). How can anyone take these testimonies seriously knowing they were impaired at the time of incident?

[@amyberg9027]

Because if ur impaired and something this crazy is happening ur gonna sober up even if you don't think you are. You will and no matter how fucked up you are, if this is happening you're gonna remember it.

[@kristingianotti5551]

How did you get alcohol when you were a teen? I know I got it any way I could, that doesn't have anything to do with this case at all! Teens drink, people on a river, inner tubing....they drink, most all of them, so what!

[@lindafinch1520]

Have you never heard the term "when there is a will, there is a way." I'm 61 now but back in the 70's I started buying beer and liquor when I was 15. And weed is everywhere. You are very naive.

[@KellyMorris-x6k]

He was surrounded by guys and girls he didn’t know what they was going to do. And after them hitting him pushing him I would be scared for my life too!!! Just sad all the way around but safe defense outweighs in this case

[@flenzy]

I wonder why he didn't walk away and go to his own group. Hmmm.

[@humansvd3269]

​@@flenzyhe was looking for his phone and snorkel.

[@1killacallie]

He started the whole thing. He came over to them, he was the first to physically assault someone. He was also the oldest one there and definitely should’ve known better. I didn’t see him in a life or death situation whatsoever. I’m all for self defense, but this is not that. He perpetrated all of this.

[@humansvd3269]

@1killacallie he was looking to get an item and the woman got in his face and pushed first and the teens kept acting out.

[@assassinspoiler3488]

He went back twice to these teens he should have stayed away

[@ramonenglish8569]

Alcohol is one of the worst drugs

[@vanessamiller9202]

This judge is very attentive and can seriously appreciate that.

[@justinarsenault1926]

This judge wants to throw this guy away for life

[@kathyeyesopen4078]

This showing little clips out of order is Very confusing to these witnesses. Defense keeps accusing EVERYONE of lying when he’s just trying to confuse them.

[@crystaltoni1321]

He has every​ right to it's a trial, both side put foward the evidence they have @@kathyeyesopen4078

[@crystaltoni1321]

​@@justinarsenault1926your right cant believe the judge, he cant hide how he feels, yet tells the jury different

[@kathismith7441]

@@justinarsenault1926no actually i think he’s for the defense. I don’t like him

[@TheEnd-eg6wq]

All these worn out 30-40 year old looking teenagers and 20somethings just keep digging holes

[@shellyvieth2469]

Shame on Prosecuter grilling the victims, stabbing victims. Prosecuter is disrespectful when witness clarifiewhat the prosecutor has questioned saying “We’ll get to that later.” Prosecuter reiterates victims statements incorrectly, purposefully exhausting witness. The witness is not on trial! Pro, ya got nothing. Should be embarrassed. I hope these kids get therapy for PTSD, they are clearly effected and traumatized.

[@Daydreamerrr89]

That guy is such a bad witness.. he didn’t know who was surrounding who ,, your crew was surrounding one man

[@looney1023]

He's not a witness, he's the VICTIM, asshole. Of course he's not sure where everyone else was. He's being stabbed...

[@chuck7879]

One man who was being aggressive, said he was looking for little girls, ran at them and then assaulted two of them... let's not pretend they weren't surrounding him for a reason.

[@chuck7879]

all while bringing a knife to do said assault.... Also, it was 2 separate groups trying to stop him... Not his "crew" lol

[@GoRideConnor]

Yep, surrounding a creep who would not leave this group alone. He was the cause of all of it.

[@mikehunt5934]

Wow chuck which kid are you in the video. Yep, that old man surrounded those kids and used his face to that kids hand, he also pulled the one kid to his near drowning. Yep its all caught on video.

[@Otis-and-Chloe]

This is a straight up horror movie

[@strawbricketteshortcake5460]

Those wounds are pretty gross and terrifying…

[@Lee-n2n1t]

@@strawbricketteshortcake5460totally

[@karadodge7118]

Seriously I can’t even watch the clips…..

[@rockromance1]

Indeed. A Greek Tragedy that was never written. How many symbolisms in this story.

[@scouse97]

Why didn’t Nic “ the Adult” just walk away and not engage with the youths to hell with the lost phone, the phone was nowhere near the group to begin with, and why would he hit a woman he is more to blame for going into their space in the first place

[@wholeeoaguayo2392]

He did walk away . And was walking back to his group.

[@jamieharper808]

No proof he hit her.

[@nicolebaker8786]

Then he turned around and went back towards them over words and opened his knife. His ego was hurt when a woman cursed at him to leave. You can’t claim self defense when you walked back several times. He wanted to hurt people over words. 99% of the world would be dead if we killed each other over words.

[@sandyseward522]

My thoughts exactly. This entire incident could have been avoided. How? Simple. Mue is an ADULT with life experiance! He should have recognized this group floating by chastising him where rowdy BOYS full of testosterone, alcohol, themselves, and being loud mouth jerks! (I'll give Mue that!) Here's where the ADULT part comes into play. Had Mue exercised self control and ignored them they would have floated on by him and it would have been over! But instead Mue CHOSE to let these kids get under his thin skin and he charged at them accosting their forward progress. End of story!

[@thia55]

@@sandyseward522YES!!!!

[@markkeller9378]

The stills tell the story…murder for sure………the first kid stabbed, look at his hands right before he is stabbed….they are open and palms out…people do that when they are saying “easy, whoa, wait, hold on….” Not attacking…..the old dude aggressively stabs him…….then the next few frames, as he gets out of the water he is moving aggressively towards them, when you can clearly see behind him is open, and a girl standing their with her back to the entire event. Tell me WHO acts aggressively and charges when you are 1 vs possibly 11 other people? No one…….you retreat immediately!!! You cannot hit, slap, or attack others when you are out numbered, with only a knife….and say it was “self defense”……no one else was armed…and he smacked the girl which ignited the entire event…..guilty has hell…….

[@jmflyer55]

This guys the son of the bar owner and brother of the other man that beat on the defendant. Both of these men were bouncers at the family bar. This guy just testified he works a job in "Recovery". A "sweet" term for being a repossession man. In other words, another confrontational type job, that he gets to push people around and even get violent if need be, while sneaking in and repossessing peoples vehicles. The father lied, acting as if his adult sons went in to deescalate the situation. Fact is, both his adult sons beat on the defendant. Something these former bouncers are used to doing. And how convenient he has "black outs" and cant remember things. And seizures. If thats the case, is he still allowed to operate a tow truck being a motor vehicle? The defense screwed up by not asking him that. The defendant had 6, 17-18yr old young men, and 5 additional adults confronting him in a violent way. Hope they learned at least one lesson: Feeling "entitled" doesnt do you a bit of good in real life. Being a male "Karen" never helps a situation. They provoked this man, no doubt about it. Adrenaline got flowing, and a knife came out. The defendant IMO never planned to stab anyone. It happened fast, and it was over. The young generation may act and talk like this to people online all the time, hell I see it all the time. But if they do it in "real life" you best be ready to suffer the real consequences. They're despicable and cowardly for treating the defendant the way they were treating him PRIOR to any knife coming out. Now they live with the consequences, of their actions contributing to the death of their friend. Everyone loses here. There is no winner. I sure hope young people learn something from this case.

[@jennayoung99]

I never thought id see so many people defend stabbing multiple children over words.

[@jenniferleitner6071]

Those "children " were 6ft tall and wasted....you wanna drink like an adult then you need to be prepared to face adult consequences for inciting a riot

[@bryanneelizabeth776]

Right!!’ It’s absolutely mind blowing!!!

[@SargeDanky]

Children play at the park ,not drink on the river

[@goneracin9]

They were all laughing and bullying Miu. Until they weren't. Seems they found out.

[@JM_Foodchannel]

Even the guy who was stabbed (RIP), he attacked the Older man FIRST. Yes, he was clearly in their space but he didn't stab UNTIL all of them were pushing him down the water and assaulting him in various ways. He didn't even touch the girls even if they accused him of being a creep. Tragic. 😢 Alcohol and violence combined.

[@Makanshi]

Tony is straight up trying to disassociate from the start. Poor dude.

[@karenkollects9277]

Why did he punch a woman? He had every opportunity to walk away? This defendant told him to leave and he stabbed him twice. There were not holding him against his will. He just kept stabbing whatever was moving, they were around him yes. But they all were not piled on him beating him. So when you are called horrible names it’s okay to stab 4 people, one who is dead? Self defense does not allow for you to continue to stab and stab and stab. Why did he punch her? Why did he not leave? Flight of fight and he chose to fight and a young man is dead. Let like sink in!

[@vladdestroyer5177]

Probably the ratchet girl tried to push him and when he knocked her hand away , all the punks started with the "OMG he hit a woman!" routine. She obviously wasn't punched or slapped in the face like they are saying she was (but didnt see it or was too drunk to remember it).

[@maryreal194]

Dude was a ped and got p*ssed that he got called out, and he lashed out. That's it, that's all.

[@Pumpkinlips3]

Totally agree

[@jasonv.9015]

WTF? Did you hallucinate while watching the video when they were literally beating him into the water after yelling to everyone that he's a child rapist and inciting a mob on him? People like you should experience something like that and see if you fear for your life when getting punched by everyone and pushed down into the water when you're trying to get up. You're insane

[@RRL110]

Don't gang up on someone for no reason other than being an arrogant jock teen and you wont risk getting yours. Let that sink in.

[@miriammissirian8601]

Please pay attention to the demeanor of this kid, and the demeanor of the defendant, the defendant doesn’t have the attitude of a murder. But an attitude of a person that is being accused , bullied and humiliated.

[@Snoozysusie]

Miu’s reaction to the cops tells me this was NOT self defense at all. He knew he hurt people and badly. Calm , cool, collected he stars I hear someone got stabbed and I look like the guy who did it. That statement lost his self defense case.

[@chrissyscholl816]

He was in shock!

[@carolsipala1639]

Your right ! If the bozo didn't respond the way he did to the cops, he would be set free due to self defense.

[@whathappenedtomyYThandle]

Another liar trying to minimize his role in taunting & bullying. Comes up from behind yelling, pushes him, grabs his arm, what did he expect??

[@megleeanne7792]

he wasn't even there for that..did you even watch the video? He came AFTER the old man punched the chick... he wasn't part of the first group..

[@beautybliss7127]

You don’t kill someone because they taunt or call you a bad name. If you are 54 yr old and have acquired enough wisdom over the years, you walk way, not pull out a knife and kill. Leave the idiot drunk teens alone. They weren’t a rouge gang of hoodlums, robbing people, threatening people. They were just being annoying. Besides, EVERYONE was dinking that day on the river. Uhhh, get a hold of your logic. Nicolae took a life.

[@l-train7876]

@@megleeanne7792how is the old guy supposed to know who’s part of what group?? He was surrounded by 13 drunk teenagers.

[@ocarwood4535]

whats wrong with u he clearly was trying to break this whole thing up and was stabbed in the process. how blind r u

[@ocarwood4535]

@@l-train7876 talk about lying where is 13 came from