Doug Gottlieb and Rob Parker on Race and the Eric Bieniemy Hiring | DAN PATRICK SHOW

DAN PATRICK SHOW - Doug Gottlieb and Rob Parker sit in for Dan Patrick and The Danettes. Eric Bieniemy taking the same position with the Washington Commanders after winning a Super Bowl with the Kansas City Chiefs sparks a debate about race and the NFL's hiring practices.
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[@julesverne06]

Doug chooses what’s racist. He was pretty vocal about Kyrie’s anti-semitism, but not this because he feels like he’s not personally affected. That’s the truth and shame of this. What a fool.

[@donaldchesser157]

Yeah, I couldn't even with Doug after the Kyrie thing

[@kudos916]

Spot on bro, this dude a clown man

[@soda8736]

Because Kyrie documentary is pretty clear and is against white Jews , this convo is more ambiguous.

[@Themagnificentone022]

Big facts

[@donjuanthelieutenant5824]

@julesverne06 lol Kyrie's situation was clear cut racism. Doug said he spoke with GMs who interview EB and gave their review of him. Rob is the one who has chosen that EB not getting a job is racism no matter what information is presented to him about EB personally. You cant convince you people otherwise. Professional victims.

[@Obamabush3296]

How the hell did he convince rob to come on the show 😂😂😂😂 I’m shocked rob even agreed to put up with Gottliebs mess 😂😂😂

[@whatyoudontwannahear5053]

Some ppl aren't so sensitive ... if having a uncomfortable conversation is so bad that you have to convince somebody like you say...maybe you not built for the real world

[@jasonharris8099]

Rob:" if 75% of the coaches in NHL were black would u think it would be weird " Drunk: ahhhhhh yea ******Conversation over *****

[@soda8736]

It make no sense because black men don't play hockey at the same rate as white men play football and white men have been involved in football since the beginning of the game ..that was so dumb..

[@rdogletree4543]

Exactly, Doug lost me when he said just because you're not successful in college doesn't mean you won't be successful in the NFL😂😂😂😂 Who in the hell fails on a lower level and gets a job on the highest level?

[@OscarUnrated]

The country is 12% black and almost no black kids play hockey. Tons of white kids play football, they don’t make it past college because they’re not athletic enough and instead become a coach somewhere

[@rotoninja]

Except "weird" and racist are two different things.

[@jasonharris8099]

@@rotoninja actually racism is weird because it doesn't make logical sense

[@poppahoggg2587]

Rob is talking FACTS 💯 salute

[@z-mane1438]

Rob was spot on in this one

[@robertkim3331]

No he was way wrong on this one The problem with Rob is he thinks the 80 are now ?

[@soda8736]

​@@robertkim3331 I'm black and we love to live in the past like it's 1966. . Rob sounded just emotional , because he really had nothing to counter Doug , but just saying it's racist..

[@caseyperry496]

@@soda8736 So you're saying race is not an issue at all in the hiring of coaches in the NFL. That's your stance?

[@eliwoods5583]

@@soda8736then you’re just ignorant lol. Doug is acting like racism is over and everyone is hired on merit. Black folks just want the same opportunity white folks get. The mere fact that Brian Flores only got hired cus the NFL had to institute a rule to give him a chance is all you need to know.

[@soda8736]

@@caseyperry496 in the past yes , now no.. but of course their is no way to know what's in someones heart, but I also thinks just because there aren't alot of black coaches now , doesn't mean it's automatically racist. At one point I think in 2017 there were eight black coaches so what happen? They all sucked or were average beside Tomlin.. I think their are other factors people care too scared or naive to ignore

[@dpayne3646]

Doug is showing how blind most of yt Americans are and have been the past decades

[@adgee5401]

Willful ignorance. Not blind at all.

[@tdg3040]

Not blind heathens. Not all yt ppl are bad but alot are

[@marclewis102]

He’s a stone cold prejudice colonizer

[@mikerhem1273]

lol the fact that he used the ravens head coach as an example further proving Robs point was kinda of hilarious

[@whatyoudontwannahear5053]

Kinda like how chocolate ppl are doing now its ok for yall to be racist because of some bs systematic bs they sold yall... but I keep forgetting yall can't be racist...my bad smh

[@ahmadabdelnassar4768]

The fact that we have the Rooney Rule speaks for itself

[@MrEJF02]

Right. Couldn't believe Rob didn't just say that. Doug is delusional

[@soda8736]

​@@MrEJF02 The problem is Rob wants to go back to 1975. Doug acknowledge the racist history of the past.

[@tailoredfitnessatl5044]

@@soda8736 no the problem is instead of saying the league is 60% Black he should have brought up the fact that the percentage of assistant coaches is over 40% Black. How can the talent pool be 40% Black but less than 10% of the head coaches are Black? The numbers show that racial bias. There is no disputing that.

[@johnnyfive9815]

@Tailored Fitness ATL the real discussion needs to be had black players often get passed in college and lack the posture to teach others. It's an educational issue. There are more white guys wanting to be coaches

[@soda8736]

@@tailoredfitnessatl5044 and if those 40 percent how many wat percentage are coordinators?

[@SnakeyD8468]

When I seen the topic and it was gon be Gotlieb and Rob I knew it was gon be a mess! 🤣

[@JaeWest]

And I love it LMAO

[@raybrooks1555]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@bbginc694]

Rob absolutely dismantled Doug’s weak argument.

[@tailoredfitnessatl5044]

I felt Rob didn't do enough. The first thing Doug said is the owners wanted to win, that is a bold face lie when you look at all of the players who are not playing for non-football reasons who did not break the law or NFL rules. Marquette King, Kaepernick, Eric Reid, Michael Sam, Junior Galette, even Terrell Owens his last year in the league he had 1000 yards receiving but teams just stopped calling him. Owens never broke any NFL rules. So you can't say they only care about winning. The NFL owners sign players and hire the coaches who THEY WANT to sign and hire. That's the business.

[@whatyoudontwannahear5053]

How by crying and saying i get it 20 times...Rob is too emotional alot of ppl are

[@drenlacasa]

Fox just struck gold. We need a show with these two asap

[@bamboosho0t]

Doug: Fox News of FS1 Rob: CNN of FS1 😎

[@damonjohnson7044]

@@bamboosho0t you sound racist but true Lamo

[@mustermas]

@@damonjohnson7044 he's def racist just like Doug

[@jonsnipe5484]

​@@damonjohnson7044how does that sound racist 🤣

[@delvinjoseph3481]

Doug is a racist white supremist

[@Jonathan_G12]

Doug is deflecting so hard.

[@delvinjoseph3481]

That's BC he is a racist himself

[@njb2111]

Doug is so out of touch with reality that he is beyond reproach. He lives in his privileged bubble and chooses not to see things for what they are. He has a retort for everything.

[@brob8204]

Wisely stated.

[@deangelostots4113]

Hey Doug, I got fired as the bag boy at Kroger. But was hired as the store manager of Walmart because I got along with everybody. That's not real life! Everything that you said is BS!

[@jasonharris8099]

This is comedy....drunk gotlieb is such a clown🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@chadbutler8634]

Very

[@christophercomitini8619]

He must have compromising pictures of someone at Fox

[@will-zj5gq]

i love doug videos because we are all on the same page of how much of a clown is.

[@johnrodriguez107]

​@@will-zj5gqor maybe you guys don't like to hear the truth

[@jplaya2023]

This is a real odd couple. You can tell both these hate eachother and want eachother dead

[@nelsonshut6840]

Lol true

[@flyguy7825]

I don't think they want to see each other dead but it's clear as day that these two don't like each other and every time they have a discussion they buttheads

[@christophercomitini8619]

They blocked each other on Twitter

[@will-zj5gq]

@@christophercomitini8619 why did fox make them do this segment? it’s comedy gold for us but for them i don’t get it.

[@allenmobley8444]

It’s very obvious that Rob doesn’t like Doug at all. And Doug doesn’t like Rob because he challenges him more than anyone else on Fox Sports. Everyone else just doesn’t engage in a debate with Doug because he’s clearly bias and some folks can’t debate strongly against Doug without completely tell him how they really feel and eventually get fired

[@jasonharris8099]

Why was there a Rooney rule implemented in the NFL 🤔

[@nelsonshut6840]

Good point

[@Strictlybusiness_2]

Bingo!

[@soda8736]

Well if their so racist why even implement a Ronney Rule. ???? But my answer really is because of the racist practices of the past , but that doesn't mean every black coach who doesn't get hired is do to racism

[@rdogletree4543]

​@@soda8736You're right but when they're a winner and you hire guys that hasn't won over them it really makes you wonder if race plays a role. Kliff Kingsbury should've never gotten a HC job with his record no matter who he knows. He was terrible at Texas Tech and they kept him too long because he played there. Then you see guys that have failed as a HC over and over get chance after chance. Or worse, Jeff Saturday with no coaching experience on the college or pro level period get a shot. Me or you could've done what Saturday did for the Colts, he was that terrible.

[@soda8736]

@@rdogletree4543 yes but Kingsbury was not a terrible coach in the NFL. Saturday was an interim coach , those guys guys are usually not retained ,ask the Raiders coach last year. It's better that a serious coach not get a job like that without picking his own staff and players. Yes we can draw assumptions based on race and I do think some cultural biased might come into play. But I just don't know if the answer is constant shaming or calling owners racist. I really think there is know real answer.

[@AoDroppedTheTunes]

Doug lost me within the first few mins

[@m1cm1cm1c]

Instantly 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@kobtvtutorials]

This was a terrible take from Doug Gottlieb. Either he's lying or delusional.

[@jrgetda1911]

That guy is a ho 304

[@objyashad1542]

They have a whole rule because the NFL wont hire Black Coaches

[@jrgetda1911]

@@objyashad1542 exactly that's why you don't argue with nobody like Doug cuz it's mine already made up and I believe he's a download races low key

[@joeschmoe5231]

Doug sounds so ignorant. There's clearly an issue with the NFLs hiring practices. EB won 2 superbowls in 4 seasons and no head coaching offers? That's insane and unfair.

[@johnmay4423]

Without calling plays. And during games he doesn't even communicate with Mahomes, it's all Reid. No one can define his role. Now he will get every opportunity to prove his ability.

[@flyguy7825]

How does he sound ignorant and you're having a different discussion? He never said that there wasn't clear issues with the NFL's hiring process. What he is trying to say is that Eric Behenemy has it been hired for head country job based upon his race? I mean how is he an offensive coordinator and he don't call plays and he don't design the offense. That is part of the problem that hurts him and that's why he's moved on to Washington.

[@darrylmostella8238]

Plenty of other coaches coaches under Reid didn’t call plays or draw the scheme for head coaching gigs and accomplished less. That’s a terrible argument

[@chicagodude8888]

Josh Mcdaniels has coordinated in 5 Super Bowls and won 3. He’s done a phenomenal job in Denver and Las Vegas, right?

[@thetalents6507]

​@@johnmay4423 both Andy Reid former offensive coordinators got head coaching jobs doing the same thing as Eric. You sound completely foolish at best.

[@itsmeflacko1618]

Joe judge? I'd rather have judge Judy 🤣🤣🤣

[@blaketindle4703]

For real lol

[@I-wont-read-your-replies]

I hope she's still alive

[@rdogletree4543]

Judge was awful and it's very very rare that a special teams coach is qualified to be a head coach. Harbaugh is the only one that you can think of that's been good at it. But he's smart enough to know he needs great coordinators around him. Just hired back to back national champion OC Todd Monken as the new OC. You needed a guy that could coach any style QB just in case Lamar isn't coming back. In the last few years he's coached Jake Fromm and Stetson Bennett who are different kinda QBs. Fromm is a traditional pocket while Bennett is a smaller dual threat.

[@whaler4life507]

Rob God bless you. He showed his true colors! If I worked with him, I would have to resign, because I would be in jail!

[@silverandblk75]

Doug has always showed his true colors he’s a thief/thug that uses his privilege to spew hate daily on sports shows

[@foyboy03]

Doug said the white GMs he talks with said they aren’t racist. Case closed. Lol

[@iloveyoumadhuri]

Actually, Doug showed his true color: white.

[@whatyoudontwannahear5053]

And Rob showed his ...black

[@blaketindle4703]

Doug crying about reverse racism! What a clown!

[@charlesrichey3353]

I liked the way Doug tried to reason his stance with Rob, but he came off tone-death big time on the existence of Racism still existing with the lack of Black HC's that are qualified to being hired! Not surprising that this once again being talked about and barely any progress on this!

[@jeromevickers3241]

What's interesting is how each their viewpoints are from a white and black perspective. Doug is convinced that there is nothing wrong with the hiring of several white coaches with no offensive/defensive coordinator experience or that didn't call plays. While Rob is saying if coaches like Cliff Kingsbury, Matt Patricia, Joe Judge, Matt LaFleur, Brandon Staley, Nathaniel Hackett, Mike McDaniel, Shane Steichen and Jonathan Gannon were black with the same credentials would they have been hired?

[@whaler4life507]

The sad thing is there are probably alot of people including NFL Owners who actually think like Doug Gottlieb.

[@jeromevickers3241]

"Probably???" Obviously there are look in the past 4 or 5 years of head coaches being hired in the NFL with no coordinator or play calling experience.

[@johnrodriguez107]

Sad thing is people like you thinking everything is racism if you don't like how it's structured life is not fair nothing is given to you

[@johnrodriguez107]

@@ShemShakur This country was not taken from you and no systemic oppression does not exist in reality anymore other than what they tell you which is bullshit lies you are just blaming everyone else for your failure brother

[@johnrodriguez107]

@@ShemShakur people like you make this country weak you probably never thought for yourself in your life

[@colbyepps2434]

Not probably, I will be generous and say most and that is the problem. These are majority white billionaires who have done things a certain way and are not keen on change. Also, what owner is going to flat out say I am not hiring black people, they are billionaires not complete idiots but that does mean that they are not racist or have hidden bias against hiring people of color.

[@KNByam]

Doug makes Rob look like Socrates.

[@Mj-uz1ng]

Fr 😂

[@z-mane1438]

Hahaha 😂😂😂😂

[@topfloorslimey]

Lmfaooooo

[@foyboy03]

Doug lost me at the very beginning. There’s no racism in the hiring process for the NFL. Why? Because white GMs told him so. Sounds good.

[@jameslacy1293]

Doug is tripping!

[@oscarhoward6505]

He is full of it.

[@peterfichtner1]

I like how these guys are so different yet are professional enough to do a show together and go at each other. Fyi I’m team rob lol

[@whatyoudontwannahear5053]

Naw i could never be on Team Doug but I'm far from team crybaby Rob...

[@SixSigmaData]

They should probably not have Doug talk about any topic regarding race...ever.

[@slimischillin7753]

These are his favorite topics and where he shines with a demographic valued by the NFL

[@Knowing341]

Give Doug props for not being phony or afraid to state his position. Many media types - you can sense that phoniness

[@nelsonshut6840]

Yea me might slip up and say something he shouldn’t say

[@Ryan-bl5wz]

@@Knowing341 Most people nowadays get cancelled for being honest.

[@toby_yayo]

“How can racism exist if I’ve never been called the N word?!” - Doug Gottlieb (probably) 😂

[@andrehoward558]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@jaahnnn]

Actually it was rob who said something shockingly similar to this when the deion sanders leaving jackson state for Colorado thing was going on

[@toby_yayo]

@@jaahnnn ooo I wasn’t aware, any further info on this? I recall him saying he himself has never been straight up racially abused, but most definitely not that it doesn’t exist

[@jaahnnn]

@@toby_yayo yes I'm sure its on this channel. I'm sure you can just type "odd couple deion sanders Colorado" into the KZbin search bar

[@whatyoudontwannahear5053]

Damn yall just love having this cvictim mentality and thats why yall so emotional 😂😂😂😂

[@thedemon2259]

For Doug to say the rooney rule isn't a joke. Is just nonsense.

[@ericthomas1513]

He's a joke.

[@KillMoeM]

Once this dude said the NFL was 55% black I knew this whole conversation was going to be BS..than goes ahead and says the only thing that matter in the NFL is winning football games..yet Eric B has 2 Super Bowl and a winning record the past 5 seasons and top 5 offense in the league the past few years 😂 I can hear from the tone of his voice he’s CAP

[@tuttlespeachtree3413]

The NFL is 58% black, 25% white, 10% mixed race.

[@KillMoeM]

@@tuttlespeachtree3413 no the hell it’s not it’s 70% black

[@donaldchesser157]

@@tuttlespeachtree3413 yeah not 50/50 tho?

[@TizzleF]

10% mixed race equals guys like Patrick Mahomes who they don’t want to call black lol 😂

[@donaldchesser157]

@@TizzleF they only call him black in February lol

[@demariocrenshaw7691]

Get ‘em Rob! Don’t come on his show to give him an extra 6 months on the job. Let his views remain at the bottom of the ocean.

[@4horseMen959]

Rob was spot on on this one 👏

[@ajprimed2627]

Man stop. Y’all love to play victim to the phantom white boogeyman. You have to actually make an argument with facts and reason. Doug did that, Rob is just saying that “racism exists”. Well duh, it always has and always will. But to accuse people of racism because they ain’t hire a black dude is ridiculous. You have to have evidence of racism, not just scream it into the ether

[@jethroholladay]

No he wasn’t

[@fudgematthew33]

Winning is absolutely not the only thing that matters in the NFL. There are teams that would rather go 0-16 than hire Eric Bieniemy or sign Colin Kaepernick. That's how deep racism runs here. Jerry Jones would rather the Cowboys go 8-8 and he's the biggest star than go 14-2 and he's in the background. Let's keep it real.

[@JimBrave-vi9ji]

Doug is saying it "should be". blacks should be about 40% of the coaches and Caucasians should be about 60%

[@GuyRBrewer109]

I did the research, OC and coaches kept the offenses that benefits non athletic QBs. As good as Montana was, he only threw 175 yards a game on average.

[@madscrillaog5703]

@@GuyRBrewer109 so. They won a lot of game and holgren was on the staff actually turned Fabre and hassleback in to decent qbs

[@rodneymclin3130]

Doug will admit that there's a difference in opportunities for blacks thqn whites. Just look at the amount of coaches that didn't call plays that still got coaching jobs in the NFL. But yet that one of the knocks on bieniemy!

[@whaler4life507]

testify! gottlieb needs to be drug tested!

[@arlondwilliams971]

Anybody who thinks a league with 70%+ black people is normal to have 80%+ white coaches needs to ask themselves "Why would black people be good enough to play the sport but not coach it"? It doesn't really make sense when you think about it

[@mdspider]

People who are not impacted don't care until their ox is getting gored. Gottlieb is clueless!

[@oscarhoward6505]

Some people are so hateful they would still rather go down in flames.

[@big4740]

Tell me you have unconscious bias without telling you have unconscious bias - Doug.

[@dennyroman7935]

i think a white person could never know racism in our shoes

[@nelsonshut6840]

How could they, they are privilege and have a superiority complex

[@stringer2295]

Yea and instead of understanding our point they just refute and argue

[@cgscaife]

Damn Doug, that was a terrible take for you. You were not prepared and resorted to attempting to run your guest over then to actually having a conversation that you generally avoided.

[@markosekulic119]

Lets be honest Rob and Doug are water and oil. Both loud and hard people. If it was Chris Broussard it would be more better chat

[@fragrantbodyoilz76]

Doug says it just doesn’t work like that in regards to not hiring Black coaches… this guy is a joke.

[@amandlaabdellatif2103]

Gottlieb is dead wrong . Seventy percent of players are black. He constantly moves the goal post when convenient. He changed the narrative on Klingsbury . The point is not if college coaches can succeed in the NFL . The point is he should have not gotten an opportunity over qualified candidates already in the NFL .

[@SuperKJ777]

I actually enjoyed this. Normally I wouldn't. But both these guys are pretty good on their own. Together they're explosive. I honestly was upset when Rob got fired from ESPN over that RG3 remark. Rob is pretty funny at times.

[@17thNO]

Rob is better for radio because he can say more of what he wants on this platform. They wouldn't let him on TV.

[@jethroholladay]

He basically called RG3 an Uncle Tom on national tv! He kinda deserve to be fired tbh

[@monolo7341]

Rob bought up his politics to say its why he's not a good qb he earned getting fired

[@thehoboman]

Horrid takes by Doug Gottlieb. 🤦‍♂️

[@daweeza42]

Listening to Doug’s points literally made my stomach turn. I always try to be objective when I listen to someone’s argument especially if I disagree with their points. But Doug clearly lives in a different world than myself and Rob. I really believe he’s unaware of the struggle of opportunists for blacks in the NFL. I’m not trying to give him an excuse by any means, but I just don’t know how anyone can clearly see the large disparity of black head coaches and disagree with Rob regarding Eric Bieniemy.

[@Mj-uz1ng]

Rob and Doug forever rivals 😂

[@edgybravo4287]

lol

[@markfroman738]

They love to argue.

[@lonnellgrigsby1367]

Omg I can’t believe this guy Doug Gottlieb is trying to play the victim lol.

[@primeminister66]

Wish Gottlieb would keep it a buck at least once

[@charismaticintrovert4379]

16:28 Rob with the mic drop right there. Doug couldn't even refute it. 🤌🏿💯🎯

[@thehoboman]

💯

[@soda8736]

What was the nic drop. Because that hockey analogy wasn't it. Black men don't play hockey at the same rate white man play football

[@rdogletree4543]

Sooner it later they're gonna have more minority managers coaching baseball than head coaches in football.

[@donjuanthelieutenant5824]

@charismaticintrovert4379 what was there to refute? Rob just had a little anecdote, wasnt anything factual. Also most people interviewing for a job think that they are the best candidate for the postion. Any time you ninjas dont get a job and a white guy gets it then its racism. Goes both ways.

[@sekubrowne8285]

Doug needs to go ahead and go on Fox News

[@JimBrave-vi9ji]

you're in your feelings and rob has his numbers wrong.

[@thepoeticpainter8032]

You gotta love how the likes of Gottlieb always pretend like people are hired based solely on merits.

[@porter8050]

As opposed to Rob who thinks people should be hired solely based on skin color.

[@jasonharris8099]

The Brian Flores story is a perfect example

[@prettyridesmedia]

Then replaced with another black coach? 🤔

[@soda8736]

Brian Flores has been in the NFL since 2004 was hired after he put in work but didn't have the best resume , went 500 over 3 years and was fired just like the coach before him who went 500 after 3 years. Then filed a flimsy lawsuit and is is still in the NFL

[@rdogletree4543]

That was a terrible firing because they drafted a QB that he didn't want and couldn't get the job done. In Tua's rookie year he got put into the starting role by Miami and they repeatedly had to replace him with Fitzpatrick due to his poor play.

[@jamarthompson1350]

@@prettyridesmedia nobody knew McDaniels was no racial until after his hire.

[@prettyridesmedia]

@@jamarthompson1350 Im sure he was hired bc Shanahan’s assistant coaches usually are great head coaches and nothing to do with skin color. Part of the reason Tua has actually looked good.

[@mark11967AD]

If you follow journalists at all which I don't expect a lot of people to do let alone remember their big gaffes.. but Doug called himself the "token white guy" on an NCAA pre game roundtable with Greg Gumble and Clark Kellog among others. He's an embarrassment.

[@jameslacy1293]

Idk how Rob could sit there and listen to Doug

[@oscarhoward6505]

👍👍👍

[@haywardpenny]

I feel like I just watched Lebron vs Durant Prime match up. Usually Doug just talks to people he can out reason. Finally he talked to someone who was his equal. I love it

[@soda8736]

Rob lost just on the hockey analogy alone.

[@johnrodriguez107]

Bro what are you smoking Doug argument was facts your boy rob just use emotions

[@haywardpenny]

@@johnrodriguez107 kinda true but he had to work for it. Rob held his own. They are both good at what they do. It just sounded like Rob wasn't ready for a street fight right before his bed time

[@AA-ne1gp]

70% as of 2021 Doug.. check the numbers

[@peeweedee1Comedy]

Jeff Saturday 🤔 😂😂Doug is a Jerk!

[@donjuanthelieutenant5824]

@peeweedee1Comedy he was never the HC, he was the interim HC. Is he the HC today?

[@StephenSmith23.]

Doug is fried

[@MDFlo]

Such a weird pairing. FoxSports knows what they’re doing putting these two together. Rob wasn’t saying the entire league is racist, he wasn’t saying all the owners are in-cahoots to keep black coaching out. All he wants Doug to admit or acknowledge is the NFL has a problem hiring/promoting/keeping black coaches and Doug can’t even admit that ?? Also Robs point about Kingsbury was totally missed by Doug. He said Kingsbury was terrible in college with a losing record but still got a NFL job. Doug said well Saban etc all sucked in the nfl ?? Ok that wasn’t his point. All the college coaches Doug mentioned had some major success at the college level so they transitioned to NFL whereas Kliff had zero success in college but still got a job.

[@jasonbilly5247]

Doug really said that he deserved to coach at Oklahoma State 😂😂😂 when the guy who is currently coaching has way more experience this dude is delusional

[@morganmckinley7946]

Why don’t Latino, Asian and other not white or black coaches get mentioned? Tom Flores, Robert Salah, Ron Rivera and others. The two most successful coaches of this century are Belichek and Reid, neither played in the NFL

[@donaldchesser157]

The N.F.L. has acknowledged repeatedly that there are not enough coaches and team executives of color even as nearly 70 percent of players are Black.Feb 9, 2022 not 50/50

[@mmou3878]

Doug is the worst kind. Even other races has expressed there is an issue of not hiring minority coaches.

[@jprutx]

Doug will never understand

[@ravpowell4362]

Lost a ton of respect for Doug on this. He clearly know that race is HUGE issue in the NFL. The freakin league is aware of this. Nagy, Peterson didn’t called plays. Zac Taylor didn’t call plays under McVay. EB interviewed 16 times. If these teams believe the narrative about being divisive the why interview him? 16 times? Jets twice!!! Seven coaches who got jobs over EB got fired within two years. The Rooney Rule is a freakin joke … it’s performative. 20 years ago it was a symbolic first step at an ATTEMPT to try level playing field. Now it’s ridiculous. Those same GMs brought EB in to merely satisfy the Rooney Rule… NOT to seriously consider a candidate of color. EB has been on this staff for 10 years. If you believe DG race is laughable yet his argument doesn’t hold water. For people of color, particularly in sports, it is not a meritocracy. It’s who you know and marketing. EB had five AFC West title, 3 AFC Championships and 2 SB rings. If you are rewarding based on achievements no one, particularly coordinators, comes close. You can’t keep moving the goalposts, as it were, to fit a BS narrative. He doesn’t call plays? Well, clearly that doesn’t matter. He’s divisive? Hmmm I see many current and former players who seem to disagree. No vision? The 7 coaches you chose over him you fired so what does that even mean? No one knows what he does? So you mean to tell me that Andy Reid, first ballot HOFer, winning coach in two organizations with an amazing career record and coaching tree would hire a guy keep him on for 10 years and not define his role? Keep him there just because? You are reaching. It’s BS that he had to take two steps back to believe he could leap forward when he’s achieved so much. The one point he made the nukes his BS arguments across the board is this: Matt Nagy. Nagy got a job coaching in Chicago and lost it after 3 seasons. He comes back to KC as QB coach. It is widely believed he will be the next OC, but the Chiefs have to interview minority candidates… hmmm. Chiefs will name him anyway. Doug then said “He’s a head coach in waiting!” Based on what, Doug? If Andy retires, EB could come back an interview but yea… you are probably right. I thought maybe just maybe the light bulb would go on… you were so close! That is the issue. The ignorance of this only makes it worse.

[@lando_calrissian9872]

Just here to hear Rob, the other guy is terrible. The only things that matter to the owners is not just about winning and making money. It's about winning and making money MY way

[@blaketindle4703]

Exactly! With people they’re “comfortable” around.

[@chicagodude8888]

@@blaketindle4703And paying their black QB’s $230-$500 million contract extensions, providing them with generational wealth. You know, the kind of thing a “racist” would do.

[@mcclenty7]

@chicagodude8888 If Jeff Kingsbury, Joe Judge or Jeff Saturday were black, would they have been hired as NFL head coaches?

[@thetalents6507]

​@@chicagodude8888 football is played on the field so you play the best guy. Coaching isn't an exact science. Horrible example by you.

[@bbginc694]

The topic is about black coaches, not black players. Try to stay on topic lol.

[@andrewillis4141]

A lot of times, people like Doug will try to go out their way to disprove racism even when it’s evident. And they will use one example of an owner doing something that isn’t prejudice just try and justify that there is no racism. That’s what makes this conversation hard. We don’t want to fix the problem. We all just wanna be right without feeling guilty!🤦🏿

[@soda8736]

Because there is truly no fix. No one can say if race is a factor in the hiring process I the NFL. Even if you think it is , so?? The owners can hire whoever they want , mandating black hires to me is not the answer

[@andrewillis4141]

@@soda8736 It’s already understood that u can’t force owners to hire anyone! But the problem is acting like there is a fair playing field for white and black coaches when that’s just not the case. I do t no an answer either but to pretend it’s not a problem is the reason We can’t find an answer

[@darrengordon-hill]

A lot of times, losers like you whine "racism" when you fail...

[@Julian55T]

Can the community cancel Doug Gottlieb, he is the reason that companies and schools and communities don’t move forward. If race wasn’t a problem why did the NFL make it a rule that for before a team hires a coach they have to interview a minority candidate (AKA the Rooney Rule). Owners fire GM and coaches who are successful just because they don’t get along with them so super bowls are not the only thing that matters because Jerry Jones fired jimmy johnson. The lions fired Jim Caldwell after going 9-7 and proceeded to not win a combined 9 wins for the next 3 years

[@damndippindots560]

I do think Doug is wrong. Flat out. However, cancel culture is not the answer. Let people have their ignorant views, and use their platform against them to expose their fallacies and give a different (stronger) perspective.

[@TimBaxter]

Gottlieb talks llike he's in another universe.

[@stringer2295]

Most white people don’t acknowledge racism because they’ve never experienced it

[@donjuanthelieutenant5824]

@TimBaxter no he is the only one rooted in reality. Doug says he has spoken to GMs that have interviewed EB for HC positions and mentioned some of the issues they had with EB. Instead of acknowledging those issues, Rob and all the ninjas in the comments have their mind made up that EB not getting an HC position is racism no matter what information is presented to them.

[@keithgupton9349]

Doug...Jeff Saturday a former player/analyst/high School football coach, with absolutely no HC experience in the NFL got a chance to be a head coach before EB. That fact alone is an indictment against the NFL HC hiring practices. What I also deeply resent. Is when a White man in this case Doug Gottlieb, is telling black people what's racist and what isn't. Ok Doug. Black people will decide for Jewish people what anti semitic or what isn't.

[@davidhutson2846]

Would it have been a better media narrative had Indy hired a black coach just to finish out the season to eventually get fired? I can just imagine the uproar that would have been

[@keithgupton9349]

@@davidhutson2846 that's not the issue genius. All we keep hearing is white people get everything on merit but clearly Jeff Saturday didn't merit a damn thing especially getting the opportunity to be a HC. Second. What if the black HC did a great job in his limited time as HC? So maybe he would have been given the HC job based on merit. Jeff Saturday clearly did an awful job that's why he was fired

[@davidhutson2846]

@@keithgupton9349 would it have been better had any black coach been hired just to finish the season, just to get fired?

[@keithgupton9349]

@@davidhutson2846 Why do you assume that a black HC would have been fired, especially if he did a good job? Second any HC hired under those circumstances would go into knowing his chance of being hired as the permanent HC, would greatly depend on the the job he did in terms or winning or losing. Or at least be competitive even in defeat. Neither of which Jeff Saturday did. So back to my original point. I'm tired of hearing that every white guy gets his opportunities based on merit which is complete BS. Remember the old saying . It's not what you know, it's who you know. White men know enough of the right people to make that saying a reality despite qualifications or lack there of.

[@davidhutson2846]

@@keithgupton9349 i dont know what would have happened if they hired a Black coach or a Mexican coach or an Asian coach... i just threw u a scenario that keeps getting side stepped.. im not part of the Colts organization.. have zero clue what goes on behind closed doors.. do you?

[@stormnotesmusic]

He lied it is almost 70 percent black

[@stringer2295]

Yea that’s 50-55% was bullshit

[@greedyice1862]

It is around 70% of black players in the NFL

[@johnwagner608]

Nope. Look it up. About 70% of players are "people of color", but about 58% are black. Doug was closer to right than Rob.

[@tuttlespeachtree3413]

Look at the statistics it is 58% black.

[@23Jgat]

Even if it is closer to 50-55% what percentage isn’t of minority

[@ThisIsGABMuzik]

Doug so full of bs. Cliff Kingsburry doesn’t college resume doesn’t compare to Saban and Meyer

[@jeromevickers3241]

Yeah that was a weak point by Doug. Cliff Kingsbury couldn't win with Patrick Mahomes.

[@lamarrturner52]

Doug sounds like he just making up stories to make a case for it smh

[@ortforshort7652]

I have been a fan of Doug Gottlieb for a long time. Lately, he's gone off the rails. Unclear what's happening to him.

[@iloveyoumadhuri]

Well, power to you for rooting for Doug. However, Doug is not accepting of people different than him. What's happening to him is that he's losing the "Ratings Wars" and is desperate to make a mess to "stir things up" and gain ratings.

[@benjaminberman6200]

I appreciate real arguments about this topic with evidence rather then speculation. The problem is that for Doug- this is a no-win situation. Even if he is right about EB and it is reflective of what GM’s think, it will still be called racist. Other than changing the outcome of racial hiring in the league, to be more “equitable” there is no suitable excuse to not hire a qualified black candidate. If you didn’t like him or his philosophy- you are racist. If you like someone else better, you are racist. If you had a closer relationship with another candidate you are racist. Can’t win- so don’t start. Just nod along and complain.

[@kylecorbin342]

Racial inequality and racism are not one and the same. Unconscious bias is different from intentional racism. 'No-win' situation is code for there's a racism problem but it's not my fault so it's not my concern. Not admitting there's a problem actually perpetuates it.

[@benjaminberman6200]

@@kylecorbin342 there’s no “code” here. This is not a “no-win” situation for the owners or any other alleged “racists” but a no-win situation for those arguing that race isn’t a deciding factor in hiring, such that capable and qualified black coaches are passed over, and had they been white- they would have gotten the job. What inevitably happens is that if and when someone mentions a coach who is black and wasn’t hired, the argument to refute must and will inevitably explain why that candidate wasn’t chosen including pointing out some negatives about him or a quality that is lacking. When you do that- then you just look like you are “dumping” on the minority in defense of “whiteness” because of implicit bias etc. So what can you do? you have to say he’s a great candidate and a great person, but the owner or GM prefers someone he knows or worked with before… That argument leads nowhere good, because then you are talking about the mythical “good ole boys club” and how it must be that Black Coaches make white owners less comfortable. So what can you do if you truly don’t think there’s enough evidence to prove racism is the reason why candidates are passed over? When the arguments themselves are considered offensive- it’s the definition of a “no-win”

[@independentthinker3661]

Being black n america iis a no win situation.

[@benjaminberman6200]

@@independentthinker3661 that’s absolutely absurd. Every man playing in the NFL is “winning” because he’s a millionaire whose children are set up for life. There are plenty of African Americans who are successful in many industries as well as politics. It might be harder for Black Americans than “white” Americans but that doesn’t mean that success is impossible! Being black is far from a “no-win” situation and if it were- it would make sense for African Americans to leave the US, right?

[@keyturn23]

I love how Gottlieb doesn't want to be interrupted yet he continually interrupts Rob. SMH

[@damvp4]

This is how it sounds when you try to converse with someone who doesn’t want to have an honest conversation

[@dennyroman7935]

Aint Doug a Jew he should know racism

[@highwaytron9018]

Gosh this should be a show right here. The most interesting co hosts of all time. Would def give mad dog a run for their money.

[@trumpdrago517]

Bruh, 55% black is a shock and makes a huge shift in the argument imo.. I always thought it was 75%. My argument is why do we start at coaches. If blacks are only 13% of the population how are they 55% of the nfl?

[@JimBrave-vi9ji]

It's really about 55%. All those Offensive Linemen, Tight Ends, Kickers, Qb's, Defensive linemen and Linebackers. Also In the USA The population of educated is 80% Caucasian.. So there is that key piece of evidence.

[@blackvikingeire]

Because you can't hide talent on the field. Players is the only true meritocracy. Coaches is subjective, understand now?

[@trumpdrago517]

@@blackvikingeire not true. Ur telling me there’s no white person better than deshuan Watson, 😂, it’s a meritocracy except when they complained about black qbs. Then it wasn’t a meritocracy 😂

[@blackvikingeire]

@@trumpdrago517 "There is no white person better than Deshawn Watson?" What the heck one thing has to do with another? The good white QBs are in the league. Of course Tol Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Joe Burrow are better than Deshawn and that's why they are/were in the league. Now if someone needs to complain, is black people that weren't allowed to play QB before. But guess what? Like it or not, majority of QBs will be black in the future. Blacks can be only 13% of the population, but you can't deny blacks are better in sports.

[@yellowsnowman9157]

Rob supports hiring based on skin color.....which is not only illegal, not only immoral, but it's racist. Rob is openly racist and it's very sad.

[@thetalents6507]

The argument is over. If they had 80% black coaches in the NHL people would lose their minds. Also the amount of black players is not 55%, has Doug actually looked at an NFL roster.

[@turner353]

NFL defense players alone is over 90% black that's a fact.

[@thetalents6507]

@@turner353 if his argument was strong. He wouldn't have to lie. 55%? Rob should've called him out on that.

[@soda8736]

The NHL argument makes no sense. It would be weird because black men don't play hockey or aren't even involved in hockey at the same rate white men are involved and play football .. Also white men have been involved football since the beginning and at one point was all white then majority white. So when was the NHL all black or majority black? Also go to any high school in America white guys are playing football , how many black high schools have hockey? That fact is it would be weird because hockey isn't a part of black culture but football is a part of white culture. The analogy is classic apples to oranges..

[@thetalents6507]

@@soda8736 stop moving the goal post. Football is dominated by black men. You all don't even have the best qb anymore. If all black NHL coaches is weird all white coaches in the NFL is weird. You sound foolish at best.

[@soda8736]

@@thetalents6507 I know you can't think deeper than this. And who is y'all. ? Don't assume. Yes all black NHL coaches would be weird because hockey is not a part of black culture , Football is a part of white culture and had been since the beginning, so it not weird that they are involved . Now you can be mad about the numbers , but black and white people play football all of this country . Meaning there are white players and coaches in highschool , college all over. Show me all this black hockey coaches ??? So yea it would be weird because Black people are not heavily in the sport..

[@ared5224]

Doug the NFL said they have an issue Mr Jerry Jones spoke on it also

[@soulcontrolwo6088]

I love it when these two debate it's an honest discussion and Doug isnt scared to talk race

[@adriancandelario2902]

I mean it does make you question things. Steve Wilks wasn't given a fair chance, Anthony Lynn was not a bad head coach, I can argue he's better than Staley. EB can't seem to find a job. Kliff was not qualified to get a job neither was Jeff Saturday...

[@adriancandelario2902]

Joe judge didn't deserve a job either. Byron Leftwich only had 1 offer while the eagles DC and OC get jobs after 1 year lol

[@12thaveforeal39]

He said It's about player relations and winning. Steve Wilks had both growing fast as an interim HC. They hired Frank Reich

[@dantepalomba7356]

When was the last time an interim head coach actually kept the job though? I can’t remember the last time.

[@desmondcaldwell524]

I’ve always heard my white fiends say, “I didn’t get the job because of affirmative action” SMMFH.

[@TizzleF]

That’s their go to excuse… I can’t tell you how many time I’ve heard the same. 😂

[@donjuanthelieutenant5824]

@desmondcaldwell524 its true in alot of instances, Affirmative Action is literally institutional racism. Asian American's have sued Ivy league schools over this the past couple years. It isn't the imagined racism ninjas complain about daily.

[@CoyoteWayz]

Once he said he doesn’t see a problem killed the conversation. If you see no problem what’s their to debate. You are apart of the problem.

[@kevinwoodbridge9904]

Doug is out of his mind.

[@thefaith4010]

Pity Doug didn’t discuss this narrative when Shannon was a guest

[@adamsimon8220]

Also, there’s a fallacy here. DG says that if you believe that a failed college career should bar one from obtaining a NFL job, it means that you should also believe that a successful college career will ensure a successful NFL career. But that inference is invalid. It’s like saying that because I believe that a failed drug test, means that I’ll fail to get the job, I also have to believe that a successful drug test, means I’ll be successful at getting the job. No one thinks that, and no one has to think that. Pure fallacy. Actually, what most ppl believe is that a successful college career isn’t necessary to success at the NFL level, but a failed one should spell doom for trying to get an NFL gig. But even if ppl believe that, it doesn’t mean that they also believe that those who are really successful coaching college, will find similar success at the NFL level. In fact, as DG points out, we know all too well of cases where great college coaches flounder in the NFL.

[@Alex-nu2wg]

Over 50% black players in the NFL, we need a Rooney rule for Asian & Hispanic players.

[@bezogib]

Give me the names of the best Asian and best Hispanic players in college

[@Alex-nu2wg]

@@bezogib They do not need to be the best, just need to be added like the Rooney rule.

[@bezogib]

@@Alex-nu2wg Ok give me the names of any

[@Alex-nu2wg]

@@bezogib My original comment went way over your comprehension, lol. It's not about names, it's about adding people because of their Ethnicity.

[@bezogib]

@@Alex-nu2wg You said Asian & Hispanic players I said name some

[@d.supreme8592]

The problem is, racist white men like to write the script on what is racist to them. Not hiring qualified diversity but having a stance that you’ve never called a black person an N-word doesn’t not make you racist.

[@bezogib]

Exactly good point they do go by what’s racist to them

[@PeteJones254]

The guy who thinks nothing is racist versus the guy who thinks everything is racist. 😂

[@chocboiwonda6810]

I mean McCoy said the same think about EB 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@soda8736]

Beinemy has so many things working against him it's not even funny...

[@iloveyoumadhuri]

At least he's rooting for EB to get a job. Doug doesn't seem to.

[@Mrrumblejason]

WOW CAUCASIAN MEN KNOW HOW TO DANCE AROUND OBVIOUS FACTS 🙄 😒 😑 THIS IS WHY ITS HARD TO TRUST HE IS ACTUALLY QUESTIONING THIS WITH THIS COUNTRY RACE HISTORY OH MY GOD

[@barrywillis2601]

Gottlieb very defensive about this race thing. He don't believe there's racism in hiring. He's crazy !

[@eliwoods5583]

Doug is on fox sports radio for a reason. Dude is the Sean Hannity of sports radio.

[@soda8736]

Then why is Shannon or Rob on Fox sports

[@johnshannon9433]

Rob would be Joy Reid

[@Regularguy92]

@@johnshannon9433 😂😂😂😂

[@tailoredfitnessatl5044]

@douggottlieb buddy at 19:17 mark you said no one is asking the owners and GMs why they selected who they selected. That is the only thing you said here that made any sense at all. And you are right in that one point. And that is the number 1 problem with hiring. Why? Perfect example, last year the Broncos hired Hackett over Eric Bieniemy which implies that they believed Hackett did better in the interview process and he was more ready to be an NFL head coach. Problem is Hackett embarrassed the Broncos on national TV on Monday Night Football in his very first game with his terrible decision making and clock management. It was so bad that he hired a game management coach. That did not work, and the Broncos fired him before the season even ended it was so bad. The most honest thing the media can do right now is publicly ask the Broncos are they one of the organizations that felt that Eric Bieniemy doesn't "interview well" and if they believe that then what was it in the interview process that they felt Hackett would be a good NFL head coach over Bieniemy? Because the fact is Hackett was not a good NFL head coach, he was in fact one of the worst of all time and didn't even make it through the year. And there are other examples too. Why did the Lions fire Jim Caldwell with a winning record just to hire Matt Patricia who was terrible? Why did the Bears hire Matt Eberflus over Jim Caldwell when Caldwell has a proven track record developing QBs as both a coordinator and HC while Eberflus is a defensive minded coach who had the 19th best defensive in the league as the defensive coordinator of the Colts the year he was hired? Why did the Cardinals hire Jonathan Gannon to be head coach over Eric Bieniemy when his defense was clearly outcoached by Andy Reid and Eric Bieniemy especially in the second half of the Super Bowl? These are questions the media is not asking the owners and GMs but they need to start.

[@soda8736]

Imean but the Broncos might not want to throw Beinemy under the bus , if they felt he was terrible so I doubt they would flat about say that if he was.. As far as Gannon , i mean i think it's pretty clear it's Andy's offense ..

[@tailoredfitnessatl5044]

@@soda8736 but that’s the point. If Bieniemy is a terrible interview what does that make Hackett? The guy they hired and then couldn’t wait to fire him. Didn’t even make a full season

[@jeromevickers3241]

@tailoredfitness You make some good points.

[@alg_bails]

I love when Doug and Rob get together. among two of my favorite annalists. great show. great points from both sides.

[@ji-inroh495]

Interesting conversation and they both make solid points.

[@brianerisca6822]

Doug doesn't make any good points lmao

[@kingroyalty9621]

What solid point did Doug make ? Him comparing comparing Harbaugh to Kingsbury ? Didn’t he realize they both are White ? That was exactly Robs point black Coaches don’t get those opportunities!!!