Kelvin Washington - NBA's Need to Copycat Steph Curry is Ruining Viewership

[@John6-40]

1. Older fans hate almost everything about today's game. 2. Younger fans don't watch. They look at box scores and argue online about how amazing their gen is.

[@Avarice-Zero]

Super double facts!! Box score watching and then go to Basketball reference to memorize stats just to argue online.

[@ishanray]

But the same young guys watch the NFL, UFC, and baseball

[@silvergold2140]

very true

[@Blubbluh]

To add to number 2: they watch highlights and Boxscores, so players now stat chase and highlight hunt(ex. half court 3 when down by 1), which makes the game bad

[@silvergold2140]

@@Blubbluh your so right

[@scarletspider1240]

It’s not just the 3s…it’s the traveling…the carrying…the double dribbles….the flopping…the touch fouled leading to no defense…the constant bitching and complaining to the refs…no midrange….no paint play…no offensive plays being run for individual players strengths. The product on the court is utter GARBAGE. You might as well program some AI powered robots and just watch them chuck up 3s…because that’s about how f’ing boring these games are to watch.

[@awelch31]

Thank you! I could list a few more, but what’s the point. The game has gone to 💩 and there’s a lot to blame. I think it starts with Adam Silver. He’s got to go. Get someone to turn this around before it’s too late

[@hmbmaniak4464]

Don't forget how everyone is buddy buddy. No real rivalries.

[@denzelsherrod3226]

That's everything I was complaining about while watching the Hawks/Knicks game

[@jayjames4080]

This comment should have 1,000,000 👍🏾 Comment of the Year regarding this topic!

[@Dimllll773]

It hit a bubble... became international and now like all good things it gotta settle down Its also not innovative anymore... Its pretty much a solved game

[@chuckb4506]

David Stern understood the game is for the fans and not the players, Silver gave the game to the players and look at the results

[@kingmisogyny1852]

Adam Silver is letting NBA players smoke weed during the games & load manage. The guy went woke ans now his league is going broke.

[@philipbryan2685]

David Stern opened the floodgate for this style NBA though with the one-and-done rule that's where it all started these guys coming in from college with limited Basketball IQs and unpolished underdeveloped

[@scarletspider1240]

Stern wasn't always my favorite...but even though I didn't particularly like him...I at least understood that whatever he did was for the success of the game. You're completely right, all Silver does is cave to player and owner demands completely ignoring what THE CUSTOMER wants.

[@s.Kim34]

💯 true

[@williama5159]

This is the point of letting the inmates run the asylum

[@HIRELEERNIN]

It's not just the NBA it's hip hop, r&b, wrestling, movies everything sucks nowadays

[@Quethatguy]

Facts

[@CarmeloSmith-bi8qz]

So true

[@practicaldeen5333]

Its the end bro....we saw the best.

[@lesbo37]

As much as having experienced the 90s was great, it definitely has ruined the last 20 years. It's like having the perfect burger or pizza the very first time you had it and living the rest of your life never being able to match that experience. It's like society just peaked at that point. NBA, NFL, NCAA, NHL, Soccer, movies, music (rock might be even more significantly better than hip hop was) and so much more. We just getting old I guess. Will give TV shows to that 2005-2015 period though, that was the pinnacle for them.

[@Wickednessorweakness]

Money…. Too much money

[@keymaster9200]

Steph didn’t ruin the game. He perfected his craft. Everybody else keeps trying to copy him you can’t blame him for that. Just my opinion.

[@fresh_printz]

Facts! That’s like saying Vince Carter ruined the game with dunks😂😂! Ppl need to stick to their strengths! Curry did wat he’s good at!!

[@christianpaul-cp6746]

Stars don’t care, don’t compete. Regular season means nothing, Allstar game is an embarrassment. Everyone wants to team up too.

[@link8689]

blame commissioner for thet along with political stance lebrick james takes one time he toll Boston was racist city in nba.

[@HiHello-wz6bx]

All Star game is TERRIBLE now.

[@STR33TJESSUS]

It's called 2k entertainment Dont like it turn it off

[@UltraRonin79]

​@STR33TJESSUS They did. That's why ratings are at an all time low.

[@johnathonmcmullen4203]

The worst generation of NBA players ever…you can’t name 10 players with a go to move or solid fundamentals. Nothing new most all facets of cultural history and brilliance sucks, there is zero standards period.

[@GigaCrafty]

NBA became a place to eat and not compete.

[@baldeagle4710]

yup. lots of guys get paid and then say peace out

[@thekingsplacegospeldjc4847]

UNDERRATED COMMENT!!!

[@MarcusTheJR]

Unfortunately ain't nothing wrong with that. Sucks for the fans though

[@bigballer6666]

@@MarcusTheJRyeah something is wrong with that because the next generation of players ain’t gonna be getting this kind of money due to this. No respect for the past or future of the game by these cats

[@thekingsplacegospeldjc4847]

@@bigballer6666 Well said👈🏽

[@deehollywood6013]

I said it years ago. NBA players are determined to destroy their own League. 3s, load management, player attitudes, forced trades, etc. Owners are complicit too. They continue rewarding guys. Embid is a perfect example.

[@bbryant9455]

My thoughts exactly. That's the player I thought of before I was even done reading your comment lol

[@deehollywood6013]

@bbryant9455 the 76ers gave him an extension with 2 more years on his current deal despite the foolishness. The Clippers extended the load manage king and he hasn't shown up yet. It's crazy.

[@STR33TJESSUS]

Yes and curry the warriors are to blame

[@sudorights]

Made the right decision blocking CP3 from joining the Lakers back in that time. Bozo Silver would’ve sent more help for Kobe

[@s.Kim34]

💯

[@gokubrown5416]

Games aren't showed on local TV, you can still watch your favorite team on Sunday on multiple channels with the NFL

[@michaelmickles8379]

I live in Chicago and not being able to watch a single Bulls game for free is insane.

[@tcsutton9121]

@@michaelmickles8379Top 5 market and you can’t watch the games. It’s absolutely insane.

[@Chayliss]

Indy just put a handful on over.the air As a kid if I didn't get all them over the air games......

[@Adam_Guidry]

The straw that broke the camel’s back is the NBA forcing this storyline of Bronny James playing with his father but Bronny didn’t earn it. Fans see right through it.

[@tripbless2063]

The product isn't good it's nothing more than that

[@romello4913]

💯💯💯

[@fresh_printz]

🧢! Bronny sold more Jerseys than any rookie! Yall and the media made a big deal out of the 55th pick!

[@stakknation123]

Those ugly ass courts make it hard for me to see the ball. I wish they would cut that out!

[@fredericopinto123]

My Celtics resting for the playoffs. Banner 19☘️

[@Sambam1981]

Exactly those mfs hurt my eyes

[@johnstrika9170]

Omg thank you. I just texted that to my son the other day. You can't even see the goddamn ball

[@joet7136]

But it looks cool and that matters more than being able to follow the ball!!!

[@davis2k1234]

Yes! And all the stupid jerseys that have nothing to do with team logo/colors terrible optics

[@paulsimpson5057]

Players wanna be buddies and not adversaries!

[@fredericopinto123]

Not my Celtics. We mad ☘️

[@DESOUSAB]

@@fredericopinto123 Celtics are one of the biggest problem. The players are boring AF, or just simply cringe. Bible-thumping, UFC fan Joe Mazzulla has a single strategy -shoot 3's. And don't get me started on Boston fans...

[@stingrey1571]

everyone are friends is due to the current aau culture. future stars get identified earlier and earlier. the best players have known, played against and with each other since they were 10.

[@jjordan6066]

You can thank your "King" for that.

[@lamart3857]

@paulsimpson5057 this isn't something new it was happening back in the day I've seen with my own eyes barkley,isiah and magic kiss a man on the basketball court, iverson and kobe used to hangout b4 the game same thing with barkley and jordan,also jordan recruited all his friends to play with him on the wizards yall try to make it seem like the goofy stuff started with this generation

[@JokoReantasoMusic]

The rules are also relaxed. Everyone is allowed to carry and take extra steps. It’s too easy. It’s like watching a grade school playground game. The paint has never been this open. It sucks!

[@RedSkies30]

Yall say Lebron has been the face of the league for the last 20 years but he gets ZERO blame?! LEBRON ruined the competitive nature of the NBA since he made that move to the HEAT...

[@AlbertC-u3l]

You do know he wasn’t the first player to leave his team 🤦🏾‍♂️… you must be young … dude just admit you hate LeBron… blame LeBron but ratings were up when he went to Miami 🤡

[@Biguhaul]

This isn’t lebron’s era

[@callmeleon]

LeBron to the Heat.. even worse KD to the warriors. After that move I left. I don’t want to see super teams, I want competition!!

[@sjdrifter72]

Funny how nobody bitched about Michael Jordan and the Bulls dominating the NBA the same way Tom Brady and the Patriots dominated the NFL.

[@RodNubianKing]

He definitely has some blame for what has happened the last 20 years.

[@snowman9642]

All sports are in the dark ages. Players get paid too much, they don’t care, complaining the 82-game season is too much. Crazy. I really hope things change.

[@M3_86]

Get rid of Adam silver. He should be voted out

[@drieey]

Yep

[@jesseboy1961]

He and his wokness

[@vincentvillegas8726]

Agree 100%

[@link8689]

can nit because nba owner are pro Jewish

[@brian6816]

The owners like him though because he brings money

[@baldeagle4710]

i stopped watching when 7 foot centers started shooting 3's. Those dudes need to learn how to post up

[@lacydoe]

And people need to learn how to pass it to the big man. It’s sick how many nba players can’t make an entry pass.

[@idread3523]

Lol. That's horrible. When I see Embid throwing up 3s. I said wtf

[@obynoomere1280]

😂😂

[@luistorres6956]

All of them look weak shooting that shot like wtf lol

[@stingrey1571]

that is even a bigger problem. you have 6'10+ dudes WHO DONT KNOW HOW TO POST UP.

[@Krayzboiayp]

They all claim that this gen is so much more skilled. Everyone is skilled when there is no allowance to play defense.

[@Chalk89]

It's also dumb as hell to compare the two - that's like an adult saying, 'I can run so much faster than that newborn!' The game evolves over decades and eventually it becomes something completely unrecognizable.

[@MJdaGodOfBasketball23]

Whenever I ask them by what “skilled” mean, they have no answer 😂

[@wise1beats]

I swear to God bro

[@leebostick4472]

The traveling, the phantom fouls that are called, the lack of commitment to development, the double dribbling, every team plays the same.

[@christiandelapena8623]

Dont blame Staph Curry. The biggest reason of the viewership decline is LePapas and the Lakers nepotism of allowing bronny to play.

[@sionrouge1697]

It was down before that

[@Jim_Bag]

They’re all buddies too. They don’t care about rings only stats. No competitive nature anymore, they all want to be friends rather than compete. Thanks Lebron

[@rufusjean-baptiste]

Nah they care more about getting paid

[@fredericopinto123]

You should watch my Celtics brother. TeamBasketball while the world screams that Tatum sucks. ☘️

[@John6-40]

​@fredericopinto123 I will say the Celtics are as close as it gets to old school NBA. I just can't watch any NBA when 99% of the league plays the same brand of basketball with 40+ 3's every game, and refs letting everyone travel and commit offensive fouls every possession. The overall product is garbage now.

[@hmbmaniak4464]

It all started with lebron, hate basketball eversince

[@hilltopsshaq]

@@rufusjean-baptisteI agree it’s about the money more than competition

[@323johnnybravo]

The super teams , no defense , flopping, no mid range or post up game, the load management. The games trash 🗑️.

[@TakablePond]

every era 😂

[@Alwayspositiveprofits]

@@TakablePond Players in the 90's didn't jump teams to form a superteam......Lebron started that lazy move. Most 90's players would wipe the floor with these soft ass wannabe players today lol.

[@ItsTheTopC]

So Lejuice

[@malcolmhoover1654]

What superteam u mean lebron and Kevin Durant those are your culprits to building a superteam

[@Wisestomatoe]

It’s not even no super teams right now lmao

[@cyber6sapien]

In the past, players and teams all had unique styles of play. And that made it interesting to see which style would win out. Today every player plays the same way. And that's not very interesting at all.

[@davidcovington1046]

Exactly

[@xxxllloorpoopypants3687]

Every game is a 3 point contest. The mathematics of it all is very repulsive. Basketball is an art but it gets treated like science

[@fresh_printz]

But they blame it on Bron! He’s keeping the game relevant!

[@cordarylleverson7195]

Yeah this NBA today is so trash. I miss the beauty of fundamental basketball.

[@Neji055]

Labron’s iconic move is charge, flop, and crying to ref

[@melmoses894]

Today’s NBA players are like politicians they think they are better than their fans. They are privileged, overpaid, and out of touch.

[@silvergold2140]

did you not get the memo?? It's Our Lucky Day To Watch Today's Players For Even 1/2 of a second

[@hurricanesking8533]

Agreed, but class exists. They’ve always been privileged, overpaid, and out of touch with normal people. The difference now is the rules and style of play have made it a poor television product, and players have a level of power to force trades that made it harder for small markets to keep stars. They’ve tried to address the latter, but they’re still reluctant to throttle back the rules being skewed towards the offense. They’ll likely cap three point attempts per game, move the 3 point line back, and/or eliminate the corner 3’s , but they’ll wait until the networks complain to them…..not fans.

[@lacydoe]

@@hurricanesking8533not really. I will give you Iverson for example. I’m in Va beach and Iverson used to hoop everywhere around here and never too good for the fans. Players used to go to Rucker park in ny, main stars used to do the dunk contest etc etc…. It’s these modern players that are just plain divas

[@luistorres6956]

​@@hurricanesking8533these modern players are bums, overgrown children making millions off the backs of those who came before them, sayin they don't wanna dunk or play back to backs, I hope those players retire and bring in poor ppl who are actually hungry, these NBA players and their children suck now compared to the legend's of yesterday.

[@mrmalcolm6988]

Not about politics. Too many threes. The creativity is gone!!!

[@michaelrobersonjr.7644]

Every team back then didn’t play the same style of basketball, their play style was predicated on the players on the team. Today there is no variance in play.

[@malcolmwayne8457]

Exactly, it seems like every team has the same identity in regarding making the most 3pts the ehaphisis towards their game planning 🤦🏽‍♂️💯

[@jdilla4591]

Blame the analytic nerds

[@dennish4036]

Bring back hand checking, problem solved. This will eliminate 3s attempts

[@kainenocturnal2935]

Yeah but 90 point games ain't gonna bring the fans back

[@TakablePond]

hand checking don't work too many skill players

[@johnstrika9170]

​@@TakablePondHow would you know if they don't do it lol

[@MrMelson]

​​​You do know that In The 80's teams were averaging 110 points per game and hand checking and no zone were allowed. The 90's warped people's perception of the NBA but in that decade the game slowed down most teams walked the ball up the court that's why you had a lot of 90 and 80 point games ​@@kainenocturnal2935

[@bigballer6666]

@@kainenocturnal2935I’m not so sure about that. If it’s close games in the 90s with solid, diverse offense and hard nose D… it would be 1000x better than this crap currently

[@marcusbou-samra5929]

Been a fan of the nba for 35 years. My reasons for the decline in the ratings. 1.the game is one dimensional. Shooting 3s is all the majority of players want to do. 2. Lack of competitiveness as there is limited defence played by the majority of the teams. 3. Wokeness. The players don’t relate to the fans in any way or shape. To be fair so do the owners but they are not the face of the game.

[@kingleo8048]

Nobody gonna call out the guy saying Vince Carter played on the raptors when Kobe scored 81

[@BLACK_MikeHammer]

VC has been a New Jersey Net for about two seasons at that point(2006 season). Caller told a big fib😂..

[@kingleo8048]

@ exactly

[@BeepBeep1981]

Load management, flopping, chucking 3's, constant blowouts due to low effort defense. It's a completely unwatchable product now.

[@TakablePond]

flopping happens every era

[@luistorres6956]

It's the worst it's ever been then​@@TakablePond

[@HardCold-Alquan]

Whoever that clown was who called and said that the season is too long - is no fan and he needs to keep quiet. If players all of these decades could take it, then these guys should be about to. They always claim that newer players are bigger and stronger...

[@workhard1333]

Season too long quarters too long lol. Guess im on the spectrum according to the way You think lol

[@JohnWhaley-bi8nc]

😂 I thought I was the only one. They dude was tripping lol

[@tweetyfos]

Careers were shorter back then. Players are lasting longer in league now so maybe that’s why they load managing so much to preserve themselves n they refuse to go bump in the paint.

[@HardCold-Alquan]

@@workhard1333 But pay keeps rising!

[@darkmanxxx8810]

​@tweetyfos careers were shorter? Lol cap ... These fools load manage and still be hurt missing weeks even full seasons... kawhi,pg13,Embiid ect... 😂

[@mikejones9906]

Load management destroyed the game,

[@baldeagle4710]

yeah, the stuff that kawaii and embiid are doing has turned off millions of fans

[@mikejones9906]

@ I don’t mind the 3 pointers as long as all the stars are playing.

[@garyking2622]

It wasnt load managment, but a long time ago (And I have traditionally been poor) I got to see an exhibition game and was disappointed that Hakeem wasnt playing due to injury, that was the only game Ive ever been able to afford in my life and Im a big basketball fan

[@TakablePond]

not true gregg popovich started load management

[@RighteousRhythm]

@@TakablePond With Duncan and Kawhi

[@CJ-vh2hf]

It’s also becoming a rich & upper middle class game, before the players would come from urban areas or dire situations and they seem to have more hunger than these entitled young kids who like the gentleman says they have to have a personal trainer have to spend all this money through the AAU circuit! All the passion has been taken out of the game. The rule changes has made it the path of less resistance, and this is the product that they’re pushing.! Even the older players who have podcast they don’t help when discussing the game. I even watched them saying players should not even contest dunks or give a hard foul if beaten to the basket.

[@kevinphilip6710]

It’s the players, the coaches, the nba pushing their ideology on us, preaching to us, telling us we are wrong if we think differently. I just want to watch good athletes excel at their sports

[@jaysonwilliam850]

AND GET RID OF THOSE COLORFUL COURTS

[@stevem9203]

YEEEEESSS this is another evidence of how they don’t understand how it’s for the viewer at home.. who wants to see a bright blue court that obscures the players on the court? How dumb are these people running the league?

[@hennocent]

Every once in a while, I will just turn a game on.......missed 3........Turn it off. I've seen enough.

[@SEANWILLIAMS45]

Same here this is the first time I haven't even watched a whole quarter, as soon as I start watching in 3 minutes they would have attempted 5 3's 😩 so not interested.

[@JonathanClarkston-u7u]

FACTS!!👍

[@loudertv8676]

When i watch i see players miss lay ups, mid range shots and dunks too. All the time.

[@StCropper]

Same

[@elijahgardner7785]

Not a joke or exaggeration either , I do the same thing

[@increasekru5123]

Once Bronny James can make it to the NBA, and doesn't belong there it becomes WWE, they might as well play the Globetrotters !!!

[@TakablePond]

bronny sells you watch highlights

[@increasekru5123]

@TakablePond You can say what you want but all Bronny James has done for me is caused me to stop watching the NBA, I can't take it seriously anymore, these highlights you speak of , I don't watch them either, it's entertainment, and I'm not entertained by 31 , 3's in a half.

[@deadflies4265]

@@increasekru5123 you act like he’s starting lol he’s in the G league

[@AlbertC-u3l]

Bruh it was way before that 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@NotTheRealRogerMurdock]

Kelvin got to talk for over 4 minutes without being interrupted by Rob. More of this, please!!

[@moneylineparlay105]

The blowing breath fouls are the issue not the 3s. Removing the weak foul calls would fix all of the other issues

[@stevem9203]

💯 all these people saying the three pointers are to blame are missing the point.. all the three pointers are a symptom of the problem of players not caring and how the game is officiated… STOP calling all these fouls and bring back DEFENSE. An offensive player shouldn’t be allowed to run over a defender and get a foul called or get barely get touched on a three and then get three shots. It’s INSANE these people don’t get it.

[@dustinrhodes4793]

The biggest issue to me that nobody is talking about is how the NBA (and MLB, NFL, NHL, etc) have priced out the real fans. Pro sports is now just another luxury for the rich, but they arent the ones buying jerseys, merchandise, etc. Its just the thing to do/place to be. Local teams aren't on local tv. You buy league pass and they black out the local team(s) and national tv games. They've made it a pain in the ass to watch. Why can't I pay X amount and stream all the Lakers (or X team) games? You can't treat sports like "just another buisness", it is not just another business. That's not what made them so popular in the first place.

[@rizz5074]

Facts! I’ve been wanting to go to a Knicks game but their tickets are so outrageous. Even in the nose bleeds.

[@dustinrhodes4793]

@rizz5074 yup, plus transportation/parking, food, beer. Even the "cheap seats" aren't cheap anymore.

[@rizz5074]

@@dustinrhodes4793 Bingo! All of the above. The only plus side is star players usually like to play at the Garden so they’re not load managing that night.

[@dustinrhodes4793]

@@rizz5074 yup same in LA, I don't recall a Lakers game where a big star sat out. But My dad and Uncle drove me to Arco Arena in Sacramento for Lakers Kings (2012ish) and a bunch of guys weren't playing. They were like, ok where's the bar lol

[@rjsprdctnx2991]

That's my biggest issue. You can't watch local games on anything but cable. Who TF watch cable TV?? I never had cable in my adult life

[@iiMOJA]

All positions are now SG and PGs. Pf, sf, and center no longer exist.

[@danielsandoval-ce3td]

Viewership will go up once the NBA decides to allow players to play defense. The rules need to change to allow players to defend.

[@renegadereid84]

I agree with you 💯 these baby call fouls are annoying asl

[@seanwilliams7655]

They also need to make some other changes like moving the 3 point line further back and eliminating the corner 3. You can't be mad that the analytics and the numbers say a certain style of play is better than another style. You have to change the game so the way of playing you favor is what's encouraged.

[@evansiegel9261]

Thank you. The fouls for literally any contact ever is exhausting.

[@ohio1986]

Nothing will change until the bottom line starts to be affected. These contracts are ridiculous now for NBA players.

[@Wroteread]

Load management broke the NBA for me. I am not buying tickets not knowing who is playing. Same with watching.

[@jrr59]

Load management has been for the NBA blame super liberal feminist Greg Popovich

[@alexc.13]

It’s a 3 point shooting contest, I also can’t watch a full game anymore cause it’s just not enjoyable to watch . Ill tune in to the last 5min if that

[@rickyrichard2143]

Most of the issues can be forgiven with the NBA if it wasn’t a subscription based product . Having to purchase multiple monthly or yearly subscription packages has led people to just watch the highlights on KZbin . You used to be able to catch local and most big market games on basic channels or free

[@BLACK_MikeHammer]

I've been out of the U.S since 2012, so I'm just curious. Doesn't NBA League Pass still show all games if your buy the total package? At least back then that's how it was back then, depending on how many games you wanted to watch they had different pay packages, and local channels showed their city's home team games which would be blacked out on League Pass. How does it work now!

[@rjsprdctnx2991]

Big huge facts. If you get the app you can't even watch local games

[@INFINITEMUZIK71]

Exactly... I live in NJ and can't even watch Knick games on TV without getting some type subscription

[@Willardbeans00]

💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@tkkirkland3971]

I told you Silver and James would regret turning the NBA to WWF. The league going away from Steph is why ratings are down.

[@eddiecampbell9663]

It the lameo ball and Trae Youngs of the world who try to be like curry

[@RooseveltDarbey]

Push back the three point line, bring back hand checking, get ride of one and done. Limit each team to a maximum of 25 three point attempts a game, more midrange and big men in the post.

[@nbarealtalker]

I just watched the 98 Finals in cinematic mode. The game was beautiful to watch flow. I can’t even imagine watching the same thing with teams running back and forth bricking 100 3point shots.

[@izmfit1635]

The force feeding of LeBron in everything nba related is also turning ppl away. We really saw Kobe & Mike along with other players who were visually better to watch than LeBron but they forcefully claim LeBron as the goat literally day and nite.

[@jaysonwilliam850]

There's no way you were alive to see Jordan and you're complaining about LeBron Jordan got a statue saying he was the greatest while still playing... They made rules to help him out... The glazing of Jordan while he played far outweighs the LeBron love/hate

[@TakablePond]

nba did that with mj stop crying

[@AlbertC-u3l]

Did the same thing with Jordan and Kobe, WTF are you talking about??? you obviously hate LeBron… you goofies know nothing about sports and advertising 😂😂😂😂

[@dexter_johnson]

It's becoming too hard to watch. You PAY for league pass and still can't watch all the games. You get KZbin TV or Fubo or Sling and you still may not be able to watch -- it's crazy difficult.

[@Tteas215]

It's just corny..wayy too many divas and lack of defense too many egos

[@jasonlebrun5474]

I find younger kids don't care about viewing sports as much as gen x and early millennial ( and boomers ) , and the older guys like me ( 45 ) find the salaries repulsive and some viewership is lost. The avg Joe could relate to these guys before. We all played the sports and could appreciate how phenomenal these pros are at their sports, so we were fans. We watched them toil on the fields and rings and rinks and gridiron. We supported them ( the athletes ) because they were like us, blue collar and hustled. We didn't care that they made more money - they deserved it. But now we're approaching Billion dollar contracts. We can't relate anymore. This is too much. So more and more people ( like me ) are finding other forms of entertainment.

[@ExtremelyAnnoyed_MIA]

Steph didn't ruin the game..The need to copy Steph ruined the game. Poor Officiating and flopping ruined the game. Taking away defense and lack of physicality ruined the game

[@justinwinston9929]

beyond all the things discussed that are hurting the nba, let me add many casual fans don’t look at nba players as tough. the constant flopping , the constant acting like you were run over by a truck and rolling on the floor to get foul calls. lebron james, one of the faces of the league is on the floor in some form of false pain every game. how many times we gotta watch the guy lay of the floor for 5 minutes covering his face because he got hit on the tip of his nose. never any blood, never a scratch, but rolls around in agony to jump up a shoot free throws. these guys are movie stars with acting some of them do. now add load management and constant injuries that keep players out makes them look like athletes stealing checks and public resents that. people don’t question the toughness or heart of nfl players but they do with nba. this is why so many fans still talk about 80s and 90s nba, people viewed the players as tough in a physical league. now we got 7 footers that won’t touch the paint and stand at the 3 point arch looking to jack a three pointer.

[@Cyrus-rodn45]

Lmao u ever got hit on the nose, it's very painful

[@John6-40]

It's not just the Steph copycat...it's also the LeBron copycats. The flopping, teaming up with friends, the ego, calling yourself "goat" etc. Even Steph laughed about being compared to Magic and said he's the "goat PG". F these dudes and their ego's. The product is trash and so is their attitudes.

[@TakablePond]

flopping in any era wilt to mj the difference between you and me is that they had to change the rules so I couldn't dominate

[@johnstrika9170]

I'll give the NBA a little credit by trying to stop these super teams with the new CBA and the "aprons"

[@tripbless2063]

So you're saying viewership is low because people are insecure and hurt about someone calling themselves a goat that doesn't affect anything bro viewership is down because the product on the court is not good

[@AlbertC-u3l]

Steph ruined the NBA .. Flopping is norm in the NBA

[@lennybeason1110]

The problem with the NBA is that they promoted LeBron as the best player for to long when it wasn’t true. The NBA sports media constantly pushes the Lebron narratives and people are tired! Plus the style of play is bogus and boring!

[@jg4992]

💯

[@TakablePond]

bron is still the most searched in nba player I guess haters and fans still like him 😂

[@lennybeason1110]

@ he should be with Klutch Sports media being paid to talk about him everyday trying to brainwash people and to cap for Bron! The NBA ratings are way down because of that and the style of play. Fanatics only care about Bron and not about the growth of the game!

[@jdocean1]

@@TakablePondmost searched and best NBA player are two distinctly different things. You just validated the original comment whilst simultaneously making yourself look dense.

[@blackdynamite7177]

Especially when you had Duncan and Kobe at their peak!

[@maximilliandufour9149]

Been tired of the NBA. To many 3s, traveling, carrying smh

[@Mista_205]

Mane reason why views are declining is because the games are not on a constant channel for the masses. From nba league pass, sling+, fox sports, abc,nbc,espn &espn+, Hulu got sports, prime, tons and tons of apps keep the games on basic channels

[@dreamcage1801]

Cable tv is declining because it is expensive

[@Mista_205]

@ you are absolutely correct these app are expensive as well

[@brucewallagainsttheodds1740]

Agreed, they can dribble better but they don’t score better & aren’t overall more skilled

[@John6-40]

They only dribble better because they're permitted to palm the ball, shuffle their feet, take extra steps, and travel.

[@scarletspider1240]

@@John6-40bingo

[@scarletspider1240]

It’s easy to have great “handles” when you don’t have to follow the rules. Watch all these so called “great dribblers” in slow motion sometime…literally every single one of them is palming, carrying, traveling, sliding pivot feet, pushing off with their off arm, lowering their shoulder and running into defenders like they’re a freaking NFL running back, etc etc. They’re not more skilled..they’re actually LESS skilled because they never learned how to play the right way and the rules of the game were never enforced for them. They’ve literally played their entire careers the wrong way and have never been corrected.

[@John6-40]

@scarletspider1240 I've actually watched Kyrie in slow mo a bunch, and he's always shuffling his feet on those crosses. Bring Isiah Thomas and Timmy Hardaway to now and see how slick their handles get. Man I wish so badly we had a time machine.

[@theblackbolt5514]

They do everything better now ur comment makes no sense

[@scarletspider1240]

Stats and analytics dorks have sucked all of the creativity and individuality out of the game. Any game on any given night looks exactly the same…it’s unbearable to watch.

[@TakablePond]

stats put you in the hall of fame

[@johnstrika9170]

Analytics have destroyed all sports

[@xaviertavernier618]

And the gambling nerds out there too

[@marquesmurray]

The NBA thinks it's the NFL. NFL can spit in the fans' faces and still get money because of gambling and fantasy football. NBA can't sell a bad product, and the players and Adam silver dont see that.

[@tigera6]

NFL has so much more interesting story line, KC and 3peats, Detroit look beast, Allen might win MVP, Lamar will make SB finally... The NBA storyline is....Lebron and how he wants to play with his son, Lebron needs more help, Lebron legacy....There is nothing interesting to watch during the regular season, everybody just care about post season including the players.

[@edupbeat]

@@tigera6yup, also the nfl has a tendency to LISTEN to their FANS! Play styles in the nfl change every 3-4 yrs (take the rb who’s back in style this season) as opposed to to the nba, it’s nothing but 3’s..

[@brian6816]

@@tigera6 Only in America. Nobody cares about the NFL outside of the US.

[@Logholders]

@@tigera6what weird story lines you picked… the NBA could literally say any of that besides the 3 peat right now. Detroit being good is a storyline? Allen winning MVP? Lamar making the Super Bowl? Common… those are weak story lines unless you are a hardcore fan.

[@Rahworldd]

I’m a casual so speaking from the casual side, it’s not about 3 pointers. They don’t properly market the up and coming players so the avg casual don’t know much about them to get hype to watch them play. Meanwhile on the other side of the spectrum the ones they do continue to market are old, always hurt, and on middling teams. Then to cherry on top, they started marketing someone’s son who isn’t good at all and shouldn’t even be in the league. It’s just a trash product now. They don’t look like they even really wanna be out there. The league needs to ease up a bit on the defensive rules as well so we can see teams start playing more competitive defense. Not bringing it back to where teams were only scoring 60 points a game but gah lee. Meet us in the middle.

[@Tasha-c2e]

I disagree Steph is Steph nobody told them to copy him. It starts with the Adam Silver, Lebron, load management, no defense, and it is not physical. These men cares about clothes swtching and twisting that's the problem.

[@franklynmaldonadogor2]

Lebron killed the NBA! Lebron and his fan boys

[@JJ-zr6fu]

Yeah the Miami heat were the dumbest

[@nickuber2573]

He's a big part of it

[@tripbless2063]

He played a part but it's not all on him I gotta point to steph the over reliance on 3 pointers made the game unwatchable

[@franklynmaldonadogor2]

@@tripbless2063 no. I blame the players mimicking curry.

[@tripbless2063]

@@franklynmaldonadogor2 that's what I'm saying it started with curry not that he purposely did it but he got famous for making bad shots now everyone is doing lebron hurt the nba when empowered the players the way he did now they are forming super teams are not as competitive it's both of them

[@markmcfarland2579]

Also the production of the NBA is terrible. When did this decision to play hip hop during the entire course of the game become a thing? Its basically mental torture listening to trap music for hours at a time.

[@BLACK_MikeHammer]

😂😂😂

[@Mars23]

Throw it down in the post and let people see guys bang, drive and bang and iso with guys who can one on one with moves and dribbling / crossovers… 80s, 90s early 2000s ball

[@Sinisterkid34]

Pause

[@iamdebaby8152]

People refuse to acknowledge streaming. 😭😭😭

[@juliusa4583]

Players are not passionate about the game , fans can sense that. If it doesn’t mean that much to the players , it’s not going to mean much to the fans.

[@maddslander7359]

The NBA is trash for multiple reasons, clearly not the same league I grew up watching, it's a glorified YMCA now and Adam Silver's to blame, David Stern is rolling over in his grave

[@jocofnazareth369]

Of course viewership is down, everyone is using pirated streams 1:29

[@charlesmartin_thenegotiator]

🧢

[@TechNHC]

So I guess no one pirates football🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@jocofnazareth369]

@@TechNHC so you suggest NFL fans have Amazon prime video, peacock,Hulu, ESPN+, Netflix and NFL Sunday ticket? 🤔🤔🤔 😂😂😂

[@jocofnazareth369]

@@TechNHC apart from my sarcasm of course people are goofy, the NFL has been lapped NBA on popularity so your point has no basis

[@jocofnazareth369]

@@charlesmartin_thenegotiator I don't respect your negotiating

[@macmoney88]

If I remember correctly, I believe Vince Carter was in New Jersey by the time Kobe scored 81

[@KB_KoldBidness]

Facts! 💯

[@formacionG13]

😂😂😂 I just look it up, and your right. There was no VC

[@mikenew3993]

Got nothing to do with Steph......NBA has turned into the European game.....they been playing like this in Europe.......And look at all of the Europeans starring in today's game.......THEIR GAME

[@jermaineburgess3767]

I don't like baseball i actually watched more baseball than I've watched basketball this nba season 😅

[@s.Kim34]

Baseball has been more exciting, especially the Dodgers, this year.

[@jermaineburgess3767]

@s.Kim34 can't lie I watched a few dodgers games 👍🏾👍🏾

[@jboylok22]

Sound like he needs to go to Florida to re-up on that balco juice 😂😂😂

[@Daausby]

This the first take I actually like from this guy that makes sense!

[@millermiller4661]

I’d watch about 100 games in the 90s a season. Now I can’t watch one game from beginning to end. I need guys in the paint smashing each other. I need hand checking so defense can ramp back up. There is NO defense.

[@Richardson_Mg]

How is viewership going down but there salaries going up ?

[@dwightwordlaw5170]

Ikr

[@nicholashenry2861]

The media plays a role as well with the "championship or bust" mindset. The media makes it seem like the entire season is a waste if a championship isnt won. The warriors winning 73 games is an incredible feat, yet its diminished to nothing by the media because they didnt win the championship.

[@thinktwice3211]

The game is boring and people are sick of Le3*-swept-6 being the topic on every media show.

[@TakablePond]

bron still the most searched nba player by fans and haters so we know that's not true 😂

[@Jay-r6s1i]

LeBron is taking yet another trip to South Beach to get "recharged". Watch how he is magically more energetic when he comes back in a week or so.

[@c.falcon5045]

That does seem suspicious...juicing, ehhh?

[@miercoles6611]

Negas needs help

[@drieey]

LaBalco James!

[@nothingspecial8114]

As someone who hasn’t watched a game yet this season, the 3s isn’t why i haven’t watched. It’s due to the teams not caring for the regular season + the season is long af

[@willjohn4286]

Not to mention they dam near all friends from AAU days so there’s no real rivalry. Even if they play hard they helping each other up and laughing at the FT line 😂😂

[@Ghost-27X]

Its going to take a team to dominate the other teams playing in the old style to change it back.

[@brucewallagainsttheodds1740]

Bruh he’s about to be 40……. & he’s been taking plays off on defense since he’s been with the Lakers

[@c.falcon5045]

Since he was with the Cavs 2.0.

[@KCkoolaidking]

Rich guys hooping. It aint basketball anymore. Get rich, get a contract, get good enough stats to get another contract. The amount of effort you see is the necessary effort required to get another contract. Rich guys hooping.

[@MarcusTheJR]

Nothing wrong with that considering the background of many of the players. Sucks for fans

[@KCkoolaidking]

@ i agree. I dont blame the players one bit. I would do the same. It only makes sense for the very few top players to chase rings and really put in the work if they care about their legacy.

[@ojogbaneamedu2501]

Callers point about the score not really mattering till the 4th is how I started to drop off watching the NBA. Decided to just watch 4th quarters & the playoffs, now it’s just 4th quarters in the playoffs.

[@kevink1575]

It's all of these things. Too many 3s/lack of variety in offenses, no defense, touch fouls, expensive to watch/awful broadcast deals (need local channels, cable, streaming services if you want to watch every game), load management, lack of effort, superstars being divas and teaming up, and so on. The NBA has survived until now, but we've reached a critical mass. It is too much to put up with to care anymore.

[@evanhughes3027]

I don't care about basketball, this just showed up in my feed. You two have a very entertaining show. Good chemistry all around. Bravo.

[@jvc2491]

Aside from threes, we no longer see any rivals because everybody wants to team up like Avengers and they only play serious if NBA put prize on it.

[@blackjesus6433]

The NBA fell off when MJ left. 🙏🏾

[@thekcsugethe_kc_suge7930]

Not really. Early 2000s and late 2000s was fun to watch. It’s only the last 10 years it’s gotten bottom barrel bad

[@mostlypeacefulprotestor1310]

ratings fell off a cliff when MJ left...

[@D20jackson]

Lies…. After KD joined the warriors I lost interest in the NBA

[@rodneyruffin3455]

Man every since these clowns wanna form super teams nobody really cares

[@alit5563]

It seriously fell off once Kobe was the main attraction.

[@franklynmaldonadogor2]

Curry didn’t ruin nothing! The players in the league trying to follow him killed the NBA

[@kainenocturnal2935]

His influence. The same way people blame Bron for all stars teaming up. He didn't make them do it. They followed him

[@truthserum3960]

​@@kainenocturnal2935Curry isn't a great shooter. He's streaky as hell.

[@jaysonwilliam850]

NOT PLAYERS... ANALYTICS ANALYSTS

[@matchhunter7012]

Didn't ruin nothing= ruined everything.....why do people always talk with double negatives in the same sentence? 😂

[@MillzSzn]

yeah it was curry he made the 3 cool and deadly all the parks/gyms were filled with kids chucking up 3s from the logo 2 on 1 layup? Nope the fade out to the 3pt line to shoot it that's 2015 those lil kids that's all they know and its pushed thru middle/high school and college

[@no40]

Implement a 5 second violation instead of 3 seconds and a 3 second offensive violation outside the 3 point line

[@paulsimpson5057]

For years 1970s, 80s, 90s and otts I watched as many games as I could even if I had to listen on radio! Now I nearly never watch. Little defensive effort, fight or desire to win!

[@Sambam1981]

Yea I fall asleep to them now. These games now feel like preseason games

[@TakablePond]

2000s 2010s

[@thehoboman]

It's obvious Kelvin doesn't watch NBA games. The issue is the fractured distribution of games. I signed up for the free trial of NBA League Pass and was unable to watch my local team. I immediately cancelled the trial and went back to watching shady streams. I'd happily pay $200/year to watch all the NBA games and replays of games from one app.

[@jjordan6066]

I think he broke it down perfectly.

[@kevinhorry4182]

Naw, NBA sucks. Lets keep it real

[@himgod6495]

I think viewing is declining because the NBA2K GAMES ARE SO GOOD. People would rather play that game than watch real ones.

[@thelaw2348]

I remember when the NBA was all thugs And everybody said that the streets was taking over the league and hip-hop was taking over the league. Now they’re too soft. It seems like no matter what they do. It’s gonna be a problem. It seems like to me that black men making money just irks certain people the same way, no matter what they’re doing. That’s why everybody always brings up how much they make, How much does Dan Gilbert the owner of the Cavs make? How much does Michie Arison the owner of the heat make? How much do the Buss family make? Do you know🤔

[@Sambam1981]

Yea this younger generation don’t sit down and watch games.

[@robertoalvarez2056]

It has more to do than just Curry and the 3's. It has to do with Adam Silver removing defense and the competitiveness of the game. It has to do with LeBron not joining the dunk contest, making other stars not want to join. It has to do with LeBron joining other stars removing competition. It has to do with these sudden rule changes on taking 3 steps is not a travel, because it's a gather step. Load management is also a huge problem. You pay to see a game to only find out that your favorite player is not playing. There is no difference from watching the NBA or watching the Globetrotters.

[@openomniverse446]

Dudes, for me the simplest explanation is that the regular season isn't worth ish. 70+ games and most of the teams still qualify for the playoffs. NFL has fewer games, each means more. In soccer overseas each game is worth points and the "playoffs" is a whole other league which is the champions league (super fkn exciting) thats basically an international competition from the best performers in each of Europe's bigger leagues. Fix the NBA regular season, it's as simple as that.

[@nine3seven]

LeBron and Adam Silver ruined the league.

[@TakablePond]

what 😂 bron was drafted 2003 so we not that's not true

[@darnell16player]

It is more Adam than Lebron. Man the Lebron hate is some petty stuff from hateful people

[@johnnguyen6469]

They don’t want to bring up how they wrote Black Lives Matter on the courts?

[@AlbertC-u3l]

That’s 🧢🧢🧢 You LeBron hates always thinking about LeBron 😂😂😂. You mfs are some crybabies but you still watch him 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️