FPS2 Online Losers Top 8 - TE | ChunkyKong (Donkey Kong) vs. SSG | LeoN (Bowser) - Smash Ultimate

[@ayar2]

the new Godzilla vs Kong movie is looking good.

[@komlat253]

Gross 😝

[@alecorn5200]

Haha its been too long since we got one

[@I3atosai]

Ridley and charzard left chat

[@kreyton3312]

hell yeah it does!

[@wendelleaglestick2536]

Yup who will win

[@goon_369]

I love m2k's commentary. He knows so much about the game but he doesnt get stuck talking about it he just talks about whats relevant to whats happening.

[@nonachyourbusiness1164]

He's honestly one of the best commentators. Coney has his charm and a great voice but nobody has the knowledge and focus m2k has

[@jesusd.b839]

@@nonachyourbusiness1164 The only bad thing is that he doesn't let the other commentator speak sometimes.

[@UziVenom]

Also, his consistent swaying back and forth is a bit unsettling 😅

[@evankurasu3190]

@@UziVenom it's a condition. He can't help it.

[@zackgrail6241]

We need a heavies only invitational

[@su9cp]

There was one months ago, I think M2K was actually playing using bowser Here’s the link of you want to check it out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5bHpmWQg6-snMk

[@Lilt0es71]

@Epic Terry quite the opposite

[@littlegentleman3262]

Do you mean all heavies? Or only super heavies? Because that's only 7 characters if you include pokémon trainer

[@ZHL242]

I just realized that M2K rocking isn't any sort of disorder, it's just his idle stance

[@djkhaledshaircut6825]

The three houses music is perfect for his idle stance lol

[@czikkanhardt4750]

I really like how M2K refers to the characters instead of the players.

[@LuisGonzalez0505]

sometimes he's commented on specific player habits too though. he knows when it's a match up thing or a player thing. m2k is such a great commentator

[@AntonioM8]

Such a great match, both players' knowledge of their characters make the game so much more interesting especially with heavies. Chunky has a very patient playstyle and his punish game is crazy which helps tremendously. On the other hand Leon is very good at reading people and knows how to get into people's heads.

[@LimoneneDaddy]

This match had Mew2King hyped up for sure, ge was rockin back n fourth SUPER FAST

[@MrAndrew990]

Stimulants.

[@dashman8499]

Always freaks me out how LeoN can be super aggressive one second and then be super patient the next. Love watching that dude play

[@vc1351]

4:22 excuse me, that sourspot nair damage was 26%???

[@lixtaressoc8683]

Yeah bowser's nair has strange mechanics, I believe hands deal like 7% each and feet 13% or smth like that, and sometimes if you're hit at the right time you can get hit hard. I remember a match where a falco took 33% with what seemed like just one feet, maybe the move is broken I dont know

[@oicwutudidder]

Somehow he got all 4 hitboxes at the same time which end at about that point. Usually works on big bodies but can also work on other characters. It should be more uncommon than it actually is.

[@rubberwoody]

Bowser's Nair does not have sourspots. It's 6% base damage on each hit

[@rubberwoody]

@@lixtaressoc8683 incorrect

[@vc1351]

@@rubberwoody or late hit or whatever it's named

[@AirPodsOwner]

what a dope set! I wonder how this bowser matchup would’ve turned out had chunkykong used grounded Up-B at all. probably wouldn’t have changed anything. maybe as a switch up to armor through fire breath? I feel like fire breath put DK in half of his disadvantage-states lmao

[@Crakinator]

“Oh he got the 2 frame. And by 2 frame I mean 5 frame cause it lingers for 5 frames. Which by the way I think means 6 frames.” 6?

[@zaneharter4346]

Wow that spike

[@MoLassessss]

I’m tryna smoke a Losers Eighth

[@gelatinousjoe7979]

God these games are fast

[@wheeze2429]

the first game was actually insane

[@live2die694]

Jesus, Chunkykong is the most entertaining Dk for sure. Mark my words, he's going places

[@MaxMustermann-mu2jg]

Too bad he's toxic af

[@blackshadexl]

Max Mustermann He is?

[@live2die694]

@@MaxMustermann-mu2jg in what way?

[@nickderosier9255]

@@live2die694 lol he likes to quit wicked early if he doesn’t think he’s gonna win

[@caseregan8166]

0:30 "Wait what is this?" LMAO

[@clover8673]

Heavy diddos are always such destructive matches, as they little pull off 2 or 3 hits and then someone is at 60 or more percent and possibly about to die. It's crazy, and they can live to like 170 or higher and just keep chugging

[@mistermaxie6487]

I have to respect the Game 1 comeback, but Jesus that specific loss for LeoN was legitimately painful.

[@ZookHaunts]

I’ve seen Leon play against chunkykong before, but this specific set made me made

[@mahmud7645]

Make me make

[@Kolya-chu]

TK Breezy and M2K are in my top five favorite commentators, but I wish it didn’t overshadow the sound of the set 😩

[@stolenmemes4432]

When you only do B and F-Tilt 😎

[@anzamanto4407]

Donkey Kong vs Bowser is the only match up I'm here for

[@JonCChan]

Chunky out here doing what DK does best: throwing

[@3lijahali]

Firebreath gave free neutral all game against chunky. That matchup hurts to watch.

[@MonkeJose]

And this is why Bowser's neutral B should be nerfed

[@C4M3R0N03]

The fire? Why when it’s balanced as it can be countered easily in most situations

[@MonkeJose]

@@C4M3R0N03 how? How can u counter it when it's freaking spammy and u are playing DK? Huh?

[@C4M3R0N03]

@@MonkeJose As DK you can super armour with Up-B to go through Bowser’s fire and to do other options you can be in the fire but not too close to his mouth as the hit box would activate properly

[@TheColdFrontmusic]

SSBU Sephiroth gameplay here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qovNlpyqbN6CqdU

[@malachistone88]

This match was so sick to watch!!!!

[@JonCom3dy]

M2K is Mordin Solis from Mass Effect 2

[@Aj-lj2ti]

Such a fun match to watch

[@mohamedbelbaali659]

The 2 best super-heavies by far

[@danielashby9164]

Man M2K needs to commentate alot more

[@schnibist]

for some reason I really don't like watching chunkykong. the way he plays is pretty brazen and kinda disrespectful, throwing out smashes every now and then and going for side b ever single time he's recovering slightly above ledge. annoys the shit out of me

[@Regalhound]

Watch when offline comes back, he is going to get destroyed hard

[@nickderosier9255]

Nah disagree. Well at least in some of his recent sets he kinda dropped the side b habit. I feel like chunky kong has a lot of finesse IMO. But if you still feel that way check his newer shit out

[@DJSerpent]

I'm a DK player, and HIKARU is the best DK atm for sure.

[@hacherroja4458]

M2K is great as a commentator

[@kuroshiki7879]

11:28 someone farted lol

[@jackmullenbach6351]

I wonder if idj helps with ding dong

[@littlemac3034]

Very good commentary

[@ProbablyAnEarthbender]

Can someone explain to me the idea of 2 framing or 5/6 framing or whatrver it is? Is it just hitting someone off ledge while on stage?

[@mightilyoats2729]

I THINK it's you have that many frames to hit a person. So literally fractions of a second, considering there's 60 frames in a single second in Smash. So if you had 1/30th of a second to hit someone, and you did, that's pretty sick

[@ProbablyAnEarthbender]

@@mightilyoats2729 That would make sense... But like... Couldn't every move two frame if timed right?

[@ZeroUsernamesRemain]

When a character grabs a ledge, there are two frames of the animation before they become invulnerable. So "two framing" is hitting them during that tiny window of vulnerability. If a move has a hitbox capable of hitting a character that is hanging on the ledge then that move can two frame them. M2K mentioned five frames in this video because bowsers forward tilt stays active for 5 frames, so even if on frame 1 of bowsers move, they haven't started grabbing the ledge yet, if they start grabbing it anytime while it's still out, they'll be hit by it, which means bowser has quite a big window (relatively) to two frame someone.

[@ProbablyAnEarthbender]

@@ZeroUsernamesRemain ah, very useful info. Thanks!!

[@AloeVerafied]

Lit

[@ryanfrancis3839]

Lovin' the shitty audio desync. So immersive, like I've got a pair of dirt cheap bluetooth headphone on🥴

[@RustyRants]

There's no desync? I think that's just you bro

[@SuperJesusofsuburbia]

4:22 wtf did just happen? how did bowser neutral air deal 26 dmg??????????????????????????

[@CocheMihawk]

I think DK should of done forward smash after every side b

[@ZHL242]

He was never in a position onstage where it would kill, whereas upsmash if he hit it would

[@CocheMihawk]

ZHL242 I use DK and it would of probably killed around 100+ percent

[@ZHL242]

COCHEMIHAWK I main DK, in no scenario where CK buried Leon would Fsmash have killed him

[@bradlindberg5647]

@@ZHL242 troo

[@Chocolateduc9]

chunky was not playing his normal way

[@isaiahdefreitas421]

I’m becoming a better player just listening to M2K

[@Sanninsuplex]

I thought konga and proctavia were good w/ DK, but Chunky is definitely my favorite

[@ZHL242]

What was the last big event Konga went to?

[@joshrauch9744]

take a shot every time M2K rocks back and forth in the commentator cam

[@captainnickname293]

I don't wanna die, man

[@origin8944]

Bowser in SSBU is so OP lol .

[@dsyy90210]

damn chunky is so consistent with the wavebounce down Bs, I gotta practice that one. shit seems super spicy for mixing up landings

[@topdawgentlv7029]

I need a leon vs ricklessss

[@abelelte5896]

Chunky is crazy

[@gabrielcastro1736]

possibly the best DK? aaaaaand he's dead

[@rubberwoody]

And then there's chunky! He's dead...

[@Average_Donut_Enthusiast]

UH UH CHUNKY! CHUNKY'S DED

[@stolenmemes4432]

Lol, Leon got karma on the first game for doing that cheese move

[@Zb_Calisthenic]

Love me some chunky bois

[@theotherfamousbryson2527]

Is kietaro the commentator if so why I thought he was banned

[@unclegrimsley839]

Once again, the audio is amazingly out of whack. Why have none of your editors seen this?

[@RustyRants]

It's not tho

[@joshuarobles261]

kanon kong vs godzila

[@DanielMartinez-bf2xg]

Is this the DK that ragequit against Hbox?

[@ihaveherpeas89]

Lmaoooooo. 100% is the rage quitting Kong.

[@anewsteb]

I am surprised Leon doesn't have ledge grab downB in his arsenal. I get a ton of KOs off of people in tourney with it. Overtilt is almost always a miss. Edit: He finally used it once when I was watching more. Haha

[@benhefel3095]

the people he is playing don't miss the ledge, so going for down-B is a harder timing than f-tilt, and missing f-tilt still lets you ledge trap... which is way better than high risk low reward options.

[@anewsteb]

@@benhefel3095 I've been a Bowser main since the beginning of Smash4. It is not about missing the ledge. It can intercept ledge grabs, force someone off of a ledge after they've grabbed it, hit someone who does a jump back on stage, spike someone who does a jump back on stage, and also hit someone who sits on the ledge a frame past invincibility. Don't believe me? I can show you a ton of footage with me against good players consistently KOing them with it. One example was Hungrybox in a 512 player tourney.

[@benhefel3095]

@@anewsteb I played bowser when irl tournaments were still a thing, and a player isn't good if they get by it more than once in their life. At that point you are relying on people never playing a good bowser before. Only exception is using it for 2 frame, which is worse than ftilt so... ledge trumping works sometimes, don't get me wrong, just not very well with bowser down B. Has it worked on any of your states pr?

[@anewsteb]

@@benhefel3095 Who are you then? I'll look up your footage. Lol Oh and me? I've gone through 7 rounds of chemo this year and didnt focus on Smash last year also due to radiation treatment. Unfortunately I have to resort to online like the rest of us during this quarantine saga and on my recovery weeks of treatment. And while I agree online is a different game, a lot of tech still works in local. And on good players. Everyone always thinks PRs are gods lol. You're talking to someone who has played many greats, taken sets of a few he shouldnt have, and brought Ally to final hit last stock (when he existed)

[@benhefel3095]

@@anewsteb That is really unfortunate. None of the sets where I live get uploaded. I also haven't entered a tournament online. I was just watching the vid to see if the bowser meta has changed at all from new tech, and it doesn't seem like there is. Most of the states have atleast a few good people on their PR's + you said you beat good players so I would assume some were on your PR.

[@Murdock487]

Chunkykong is sooo good

[@rellmula8290]

Nice

[@timurvan7643]

Well this jiggle dude is a creep...

[@RustyRants]

Who?

[@timurvan7643]

@@RustyRants mewto king

[@Regalhound]

Explain...

[@jacobolson9650]

This dude look like he tweakin. The way he rockin back n forth n shit 😂

[@RustyRants]

Yeah he's autistic, it's a stimulant response

[@velvety2528]

Man I hate bowser fire breath

[@Xckeyl]

I think even Bowser mains agree that it is definitely broken.. free 60% if the opponent doesn't DI

[@camaraderie1233]

Fire breath is a good tool but certainly not "definitely broken." If you're taking 60%+ per firebreath like you said you didn't di. So just di and cut the damage you take in half. On top of that, flamebreath has a poop ton of startup and endlag so the bowser using it has to use it wisely or else he's going to get punished with a "definitely broken 60% combo." XD

[@maxriering]

I hate watching Leon, his gameplay makes it boring to watch donkey Kong games because all he does is spam his neutral-, side- and up b

[@ZHL242]

@@camaraderie1233 No one who complains about Bowser side B takes 60% from it, that's simply not knowing how to play the game. However, with one read on ledge getup, jump, or roll he can easily get between 35-40%. That's pretty damn strong for one move. Also it has the PK fire effect where it seems more annoying because of how long you're stuck in it.

[@KotaWebb]

Zeekybby you’re straight garbage at the game if you’ve ever taken 60% from flame breath

[@LuisGonzalez0505]

I feel like bowser is just fire breath, nairs, fairs, side b, up b oos, & f tilt to 2 frame. I respect Leon for his skill but I think Bowser is kinda boring to watch.

[@solomon8692]

Sometimes a shield break

[@dsyy90210]

honestly agree tbh. and I love playing bowser too. DK def isnt nearly as strong but his tech and playstyle is super interesting

[@ZzEeTtOo1]

Commentator is on coke

[@royemblem9773]

Sayin chunky one of the best dks in the world kinda disrespectful to the other dks tbh

[@emmanuelslaneparra9502]

Bowser is so braindead.

[@alejandro8837]

Commentator annoying as hell. Had to lower my volume. Always trying to call every damn move

[@RustyRants]

Don't disrespect m2k like that

[@lyisim]

Mew2king is mad annoying to listen to

[@RustyRants]

Nah, one of the most legendary players and commentators in the scene, you gotta respect the guy

[@timhiltz6323]

DK takes more skill to use than Bowser, Bowser just has so much for a heavy that shouldn’t have.

[@collinjackson3535]

Tim Hiltz yesss I hate bowser so much. All bowser mains are carried.

[@camaraderie1233]

Collin Jackson Ikr like honestly I don't see how Nintendo hasn't nerfed him yet; surely they should have noticed how OP he is by how many Bowser mains there are on PGR. Oh wait... nevermind.

[@waterenthusiast4721]

@@collinjackson3535 Everyone is carried by their character in someway.

[@anewsteb]

Then go win tourneys. Been a Bowser main since Smash4 debuted.

[@live2die694]

That's just how the game is, some characters require more skill then others

[@tanneroyler9552]

M2K's commentary is pretty terrible to listen to. "Bowser just did an upsmash... DK shielded, the end..." *uncomfortably rocks back and forth in chair in silence*

[@SammyStoneify]

I find it very cool myself. I like how he's throwing out possibilities as if hes playing either character in that moment and throwing out framerate stats etc

[@LuisColumbu]

Thats just U mate, the king is awesome at the mic.

[@lindacen8153]

Would you rather listen about the commentator’s funko pop collection which is completely unrelated?

[@dsyy90210]

bruh listen to him. hes got an intrinsic understanding of the game. hes almost coaching the players hes watching. its dope.

[@Lil_mar00]

kind of a boring matchup imo