FPV Quadcopter Motion Simulator

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[@michaelrechtin]

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[@hankhulator5007]

Hi Michael, for the altitude control of a drone, a slider isn't very good as movements aren't natural, may be you should experiment with a lever, the same as for a chopper collective command, hence lever at full horizontal is engines running slow and, let's say at 30°~40°, engines running at full speed. That would trigger a modification of the left block of the chair (best way : make it modular to easily change from lever to throttle), because this kind of control is much easier and precise when the lower position of the lever almost equals to the full extension of your arm. Another interesting thing with this kind of control would be to extend the (~middle course) range where the drone is vertically static to achieve an even better altitude control - this, of course, would need possible adjustments (middle point and window size), as it depends widely on the drone weight. For the camera, it wouldn't be useless to have a vertical ~120° displacement, -90° to look at the ground (landing made much easier) and +30° to look above - of course, this means the camera must be moved to a position where it can shoot the ground. For the gear controlling the camera, it may be interesting to see what it could do adding a coupling with a rotation command - you look right, the camera also looks right and the drone spins right (bonus : if you sensors include accelerometers, you can tie this command speed to your head's).

[@INSYAMfacts]

I don't have both option 😢

[@MarcDunivan]

Awesome you did this. Very disheartening it made controlling the quadcopter harder.😢 I would be very interested to know if it is a system issue or just a novelty of the controls. I gather Nurk isn't going to lobby DRL to use these chairs/controllers.

[@jamesbond-pr5jl]

I think a collective or what ever a helicopter uses the pull rather than push for throttle IMO

[@hankhulator5007]

@@jamesbond-pr5jl A chopper do _not_ throttle, all operations are made at a constant rotation speed.

[@NURKFPV]

Thank you so much for swinging by and letting me try out the simulator! Was an UNREAL experience! Let's find more trouble to get into soon.

[@CantFly_FPV]

Dude.... I know you're already a father but when you said "shucks" the universe determined you didn't have enough kids to pull off a dad joke of that caliber... Pretty sure your wife conceived triplets when you said that, congrats! hahaha

[@daylen577]

If you're going to have the camera pivot physically on the plane you really need a HUD to keep track of the pitch and roll of the plane/drone so you can pull sick moves without losing track of where it's going

[@burrlaise]

Isn't the issue here, that directly translating the position of the drone to the position of the chair, creates an incorrect feeling (unless acceleration is zero?) What I mean is; assuming the drone is in the air and in a completely fixed position, if you accelerate forward without rotation (not possible on a quad) the chair should tilt backwards to give you the sensation of G force on the x-axis, but in reality your chair is staying level or tilting forward. I'd love to collaborate on the adaptor signal with you that generates the correct g-force readings and feeds those to the chair. (Or are you already onto this for the third video in the series? :) ) Either way - phenomenal work here Michael!

[@ddegn]

Yes! This chair could be so much better if it used the acceleration vectors as the inputs. Flight controllers already have this data and it can be sent back via telemetry. The chair won't be able to simulate the acceleration magnitude but it can at least simulate the direction of the acceleration vector (limited to the char's movement). IMO, it's just a toy without using the acceleration as input.

[@oluwaferanmi100]

idk I'm just sharing my opinion. What I think is using the position data might not be that bad given the position data is updated according to its 2nd order rate of change, acc. So in an accelerating car too the driver's seat moves forward with the car and the driver gets pushed backwards against the seat (so the G force feeling is more from the driver's reaction with the seat cos of inertia). Also the chair has only 2dof if I'm not mistaken so mapping and reflecting the accl might be pretty difficult. Again, idk if any d case here.

[@ddegn]

@@oluwaferanmi100 The position data isn't very important. The important data is the acceleration. An aircraft can have a 45 degree bank angle while having the acceleration of the pilot could be directed straight down through center of the seat and feel the same as when the aircraft is sitting still on the ground. When airplanes make coordinated turns, the pilot doesn't experience any sideways acceleration. All the acceleration is straight down through the seat as if the pilot is sitting level on the ground. When a turn isn't coordinated, the pilot is pushed to one side of the cockpit or the other. This sort of acceleration feedback would be very useful to a pilot. Even with just two degrees a freedom, a properly programmed chair could provide a lot of useful feedback to a pilot. Without using the acceleration as feedback, the chair isn't really acting as a flight simulator. *Without using the acceleration as feedback, the moving chair is less of a simulator than a stationary chair* since the moving chair would often be providing opposite feedback from what a pilot would really experience while actually flying.

[@oluwaferanmi100]

@@ddegn hmmm. I think I get it now. Thanks for the awesome explanation 🙏.

[@Brandon_SoMD]

The other thing you MUST do in a motion cuing system is to null out at least part of any long-duration acceleration cues, so that more range of motion is available for subsequent cues. I'll restate that: you have to return closer to zero after a while at any cue. There are many papers about such things; here's a good one from NASA. ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20050180245/downloads/20050180245.pdf

[@sujaynis3905]

Holy shit, bro just made being a commercial pilot a whole lot more cheaper.

[@joosttromp]

the throttle unit you’re using is for planes, you need a collective for drones. your feet pedal position is too low and the feedback loop of the motion is too slow. awesome idea though! if you want help, hit me up :)

[@user-fw1tf8nv2y]

I’ve had this idea for years, I’m so glad someone else with the means to make it happen did as well! This is so cool

[@brettcameratraveler]

Curious where the latency is coming from. To minimize motion sickness and max out realism, that should be one of the key goals. For ultra fast moments, you'll want to keep it under perhaps 30ms. For very gradual movements perhaps no more than a half second. Check out the wireless signal vs. actuator response speed/range. You might want to look at Limitless VR and Motion Rigs channel to see what he created over there for the purposes of VR

[@Brandon_SoMD]

The FAR Part 60 specification for maximum acceptable latency ("transport delay") for a full-motion full-flight professional simulator is 100ms. That's the point where pilot performance begins to suffer. Transport delay is the total time from a pilot input until perception of response visually or in the motion cueing system.

[@apieceofstring]

This is an amazing piece of craftsmanship! But let me offer a suggestion: Just because it's a chair with motion simulation, DOES NOT mean you need to be using conventional stick and rudder controls for input. Imagine taking this same setup, but doing a completely original interpretation of the control structure, creatively, from first principles. Look at the controls of a PPG (a brake toggle in each hand, plus speed bar). Look at the controls of a PPC (foot steering). Look at the various aircraft that steer by weight shift. These pioneers found themselves outside of the envelope of conventional fixed-wing design, and came up with original solutions that fit the problem at hand, rather than chasing expectations. Heck, even conventional aircraft designers have experimented with different configurations of sticks, yokes, and sidesticks. You have the technology. You have the wherewithall. You can do so much more than just make imitations of things that already exist. If it doesn't feel intuitive, _find what feels intuitive_.

[@hrdroneracing]

Good on you @nurk !!!!

[@lecolintube]

23:33 Wow, what a great example of how a stall can dramatically impact an otherwise previously stable flight 😉

[@R3dEyedFox]

Wow! Talk about FPV to the extreme fun!

[@SmithOffGrid]

The engineering skills here are out of this world! Yeah I'd love to see build plans

[@steamnstuff]

I think this would be an awsome project to get into Motion Device building!

[@ALIEN_from_MARS]

Air 2 Air combat with friends with this gonna be crazy 💀

[@chuckvoss9344]

You have invested a tremendous amount of time to get to this point. Using 21st century technology is really amazing to see.

[@grimsdagger]

I would love to build something like this

[@SooperToober]

Brilliant- would love to use this for flight ground school training - have a serious med condition that prevents me from ever getting a flying Lic of any kind

[@jcugnoni]

Next step = DCS motion rig with VR googles?

[@glenncain]

i'm sure the DCS peeps would totally want this

[@SebbyG86]

epic vid. your engineering skills are excellent

[@lisandrobruan7502]

looking forward for the next video, installing airsoft in drone.

[@kath011]

Excellent platform for fixed wing FPV. Love it. 👍😊

[@riccardo1796]

Should have made a collective for the drone

[@adamhale6672]

Again you knocked it out of the park! It would be cool to see a collective integrated into the chair so that it would fly more closely to full scale rotocraft. I think that may make the altitude a little more controllable. It would be interesting to see a full scale heli pilot in that too.

[@allancorp_official]

The project is truly Genius and in some time it could be the next great thing. so continue the great work.

[@TheButterZone]

Full aerobatics sim would mean a human gyroscope that goes all the way to inverting you?

[@DKTek07]

We were doing this in the early 90’s. I used a Schluter .60 Champion helicopter. We sent the return signal down the audio channel of the FPV camera. I think the name on the black box was DPC… have to dig it out again. This black box allowed me to connect a regular force feedback joystick between the buddy box and the remote. I could assign the switches too for flaps, gear, head tracking, lights, bomb release, etc. BTW, that same company also made a 3D camera that worked with the goggles too. No affect at altitude but within 20 feet, the 3D works awesome.

[@waylonk2453]

Neato! I can begin to imagine the amount of time the parts in the beginning needed to design and print

[@Jack_Jordan10]

Now you should combine this with the A-10 warthog you built

[@alessandrozustovich9929]

I've been waiting for this video for a long time, it was worth it

[@kieranstephenson3187]

Not sure if I would use a rig like this personally, but I think having plans available for a DIY sim rig that you can build for a very cost effective price would be brilliant! Also fantastic video! This is really cool and pretty amazing that you got it to work with the drone, especially as well as it does!

[@channelvr1293]

Congratulations your dedication to a project is amazing 🎉 owning a 6DOF myself. I can tell you that a 6DOF and VR combination is amazing ❤

[@hondainsight421]

I can't wait to see you sell a kit for this simulator!

[@PhantomRider-78]

I am 100% convinced if we put you anywhere in the world with the right materials you will get out of there , my new nickname for you is MacGuyver! Well done mate, well done!

[@icewallowcome_daily9802]

with FPV drone you become the drone, but with the simulator you become one with the drone

[@twindragonbroz8791]

You need to try DCS with this and a VR head set

[@LDZ442]

YES would absolutely build this if shared plans

[@theshawnmccown]

These drones have more in common with a helo. I think a cyclic stick and collective would have felt more natural. Not to mention that the Warthog throttle has a slew upgrade grade that would give you some more analog controls.

[@cflin4637]

I've actually been interested in trying to build something like this for a couple years now. I would definitely be interested in that video

[@peter360adventures9]

Awesome chair.

[@blastking2006]

This is the most coolest thing ever

[@willzaboski2361]

I think you need to have a chain drive. Like front and back left and right back corner to front corner back corner to front corner. I think that would make for fully immersive and allow you to hit y'all as well

[@MrAlbinocreeper]

i wonder iF drone flight would be better with a collector than a throttle

[@kkuenzel56]

That was so Amazing!👏 I would love to see a build video that lets you fly RC with a PC USB joystick!

[@RayRay-zc2ed]

This looks like it would be awesome!

[@litterbug4023]

Have you tried using a wireless trainer connection between the chair and the primary TX? Not sure if it would introduce lag, but it could prevent the problems encountered with cables accidentaly pulling loose. Great to see you added the pedals back on. Looking forward to see where you take this next!

[@noanyobiseniss7462]

The chairs feedback has too much latency.

[@babasumukhesh9778]

imagine if u can do roolovers with the rc or even in the game and also can experience the rollover in the chair

[@rhadiem]

I don't see why a good HOTAS setup couldn't be just as good as a regular fpv controller with enough practice. It's not convenient, but you get more fine control than those mini-sticks with the larger throw of a joystick, and hall-effect sensors can capture that detail.

[@sn0opyKS]

Hearing only 3 out of 5 beeps when plugging in the battery makes me think there was a slightly longer cut inbetween the scenes :P

[@mitchellhunter8673]

You should use a ffbeast joystick, you have to build it but there really cool and have forcefeedback from hoverboard motors

[@privatesector0422]

Special thanks to World of Tanks for sponsoring part of this video

[@markrobinson8093]

Totally awesome

[@karlohorcicka7388]

Dude, get that war thunder vr pilot to try this

[@HorrorRod]

he should make the chair duel stick people in star citizen fly with two flight sticks and would be more accurate to rc controls.

[@celestb11]

Interested most Def!!

[@rustyscrewsrc]

Fantastic vid!

[@MikeSims1103]

Very cool. However in a real plane (at least the ones I've flown), the balls of your feet is all that is on the rudder pedals, unless you shift them up to apply the brakes.

[@X862go]

That is so cool!

[@fpvkevlar8101]

Great video bro.

[@Osky-Bosky]

This is very cool

[@caturlifelive]

Awesome

[@TheButterZone]

Wonder if rigging up 2 sets of adjustable length crutches or something along those lines would help get the pedals in a good range for other sim pilots.

[@fatelifevlog3399]

you sir! is a genius. i liked it so much that I wan to build one but i have no idea how to do it XD

[@Moth_907]

my dream set up

[@CHRISGr33r]

I'd run left and right joysticks and ditch the foot rudder controls.

[@erviplayer]

do the FPV goggles look 2D like a screen or 3D like a VR thing?

[@agasini-euborja]

360 degrees motor for direction/gps

[@bonesx13]

Fucking awesome bro!!! I want to try!

[@dazhigh9208]

Dude Awsome build. Epic and boy would i love a go !!!!! 🙂

[@BobAlexander]

I would love to build one! If not plans, how about a BOM?

[@jamesbevan9989]

Should use dual stick instead of throttle and pedal

[@oneistar6661]

Massive!

[@raztaz826]

I'd really like to make one, but I don't think I have any more space in my office. I have started printing that gimbal though

[@moreelosilva9407]

2 things... 1 I wanna see u fly it with plane/jet. Should be way more suitable... 2 how about a flying helicopter with that chair...

[@paullo8268]

Elon should get this guy into his team.

[@matthewthompson7012]

Does roll, chair flips upside down 😂

[@skinnyguy3184]

🤣🤣

[@superbmediacontentcreator]

I think it would be fairly easy to build the NASA 3-ring design or multi-axis trainer (MAT) which would allow rolls and complete tilts for loops. You could start with an auto-body rotisserie and add the rings. The controls could be via Bluetooth so you would not need slip-rings and would allow 360X 360 movement. Just add drive motors. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oX-1hopqZ9aHoJI kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXe6pIyAZcR-g6s kzbin.info/www/bejne/lYSUl6ltp7iLfck kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4O8doyQntd4is0

[@DankCloudzFPV]

Hey Mike, great video. Very cool project. Definitely made the video that much better by having @nurkfpv fly your rig as well. Liked and subbed!

[@briandstephmoore4910]

Get this to cleetus asap

[@wtfdookiefpv]

not a race drone, that would be a freestyle drone

[@nurzhannurbek148]

Задержка слишком большая. Пока кресло кренится на право дрон уже кренится на лево. Надо придумать как сократить задержку или же предсказывать движение дрона заранье и синхронизировать кресло с дроном. Думаю зная параметры дрона то предсказать его движение не будет сложным.

[@CODforLIFE404]

someone is going missing

[@xymaryai8283]

yoooo Nurk! great choice of collab!

[@anon_y_mousse]

Have you calculated how much time you spent on this project and how much all of the parts cost you? This definitely sounds like a project that I'd like to do, but I'd like to know what I'd be getting myself into first.

[@chrisregister8021]

Way to cool 😎

[@SystemsPlanet]

Rubber bands don't last. In 6 months your joystick won't work

[@GregRutkowski]

I want one!!!

[@arifmuslim7150]

Very very nice❤❤❤

[@ernie5229]

This would be amazing for a fixed wing, but I don't see the motivation to fly a quad with it.

[@cesardavmun]

Hi, what is the weight of your gimbal without the camera?

[@stickerandlabelsproduct1352]

This is my child dream

[@jerpro-fu7mo]

Might need Help from A.I. to tune Chair to FPV Sim . Drift meeting - human experience is it . God Bless.

[@jesseservice7828]

Muito bom !

[@gv100_blitz]

is it just me or does the stand seem pretty wobbly? also is the head tracking relative to the chair or the ground?

[@daylen577]

It's really mostly the legs that wobble badly, probably because they're far from the center of gravity and relatively flimsy

[@NURKFPV]

It was not wobbly on the base at all -- very solid. Tracking was relative to the chair, but the tilting on the chair was so minor (relatively speaking) that you didn't notice much.

[@rogersmith8480]

👍💯👍💯👍💯👍💯👍!!!

[@xiggywiggs]

yet again dual sticks > hotas

[@cacanghoihoi3005]

mein DJI Avatar laden viel saubere als diesen Landung,,, DJI ist Made in China,,, USA Hightech sind nur in Film und in 3D Simulation

[@astro-mg2py]

me

[@ljkike7918]

first

[@manuelpiston]

Lol War thunder a simulator what a joke 🤣🤣