Fractured Phage vs. Donate Dralnu vs. Mono G Combo vs. Gruul Prosper | Commander Clash S15E8

[@DylanHunter64]

I appreciate the editor's note about Seth's combo because I was thinking he was going to do exactly that for 30 min. My brain would have melted without that lol

[@CodeNamR]

Personally, with the game only being an hour at that point I would have gone for the win and a game 2.

[@DylanHunter64]

​@@CodeNamRThat's what I was thinking

[@Kryptnyt]

@@CodeNamR The game 2 is always three hours long and Tomer becomes grumpy because he needs his nap

[@Lucarioguild7]

@@Kryptnyt Also Niatucc cries because he has to edit a 4 hour game

[@SlappyNYCMW3]

​llllllllllllklllllllllllllllllllllll kk kk llllllllllllllllllllll

[@josieraider]

richard is so funny "as an adult i never get to scream"

[@codytarmstrong646]

Seth: “that’s what emotes are for” 😂😂😂

[@skykur]

I HAVE NO MOUTH

[@AgonalRhythm]

Seth's Tempt Copy was a great play. Crim and Tomer would nevwr have given Seth lands under other circumstances. Tomer even prepped for it by getting Demo Field. Very interesting turn

[@S3rios]

Thanks so much for playing my deck! You played it well Richard. You’re absolutely right about how it works, but there are a couple synergies you missed (for example, cloudstone curios can work as a storm cauldron substitute with enough lands, and if you have enough mana generators you can use just Vesuva and Guildless Commons). Cloudstone in particular is great for the deck, because it allows you to skip the Sabertooth if you have either a Khlani Garden, Dryad Arbor, or field. I’ll be honest, I never thought in a million years I’d get selected so I didn’t write a primer. I’ll do that now though, since it’s pretty clear that you were confused haha.

[@S3rios]

I have officially written a much more extensive primer!

[@chrono277]

@@S3rios Do you have a link to the primer? I have been working on an Azusa casual list since the recent Secret Lair style for her came out (except it only plays basic forests for lands) and would like to read your thought process.

[@S3rios]

@@chrono277 sadly, my replies with the deck keep getting deleted. I don’t know how to get it to you.

[@louissimonlefebvre8254]

You're deck is super sweet! Too bad we didnt get to see it do the thing.

[@harune8476]

Nice deck! I play a mono green combo deck. I just use "rude awakening", "eternal witness" and "temur sabertooth". to gain infinite mana then infinitely replay any instant or sorcery. pick your win condition from there.. It'd be pretty easy to slot into your deck, already have temur. eternal witness and rude awakening are hardly dead cards.

[@MrGrovak]

I did not see that he had the mana for his combo, but that is very Seth to purposely skip an instant win con to see more shenanigans from the other decks. All for the content and I approve.

[@VRanger100]

Tomer playing pillowfort is a cry for help at this point to not be killed first XD I think this also happened in the past with Mrs. Mulligan, PleasantKenobi, and Tom.

[@VivBrodock]

tbf with Tomer at least it's usually because he pops off and then the rest of the group player removals him. Like multiple times he's been the first one out this season because if they didn't kill him he would just win fairly soon.

[@yggdr9sil]

I thought so too, for a second, until I saw hidden Dralnu. Probably the best way to play Dralnu so he doesn't have 3 other players staring hungrily at his commander and goading him into playing it into a blasphemous act 😄.

[@Spaced92]

Phil also went pillowfort a few times.

[@efnfen]

the group bullies Tomer too much

[@VivBrodock]

@@Spaced92 that's because phil is the worst kind of EDH player, one without a plan to win.

[@TheSpunYarn]

Richard when somebody casts two spells in one turn: woah guys we got a combo player over here, better kill em.

[@cephalonsark1530]

About the combat in commander discussion, even in cEDH, combat is huge. Tymna wants you to go to combat, as does Najeela. Winota lives and dies in the combat step. Malcolm is a combat damage trigger, Slicer is a combat focused deck. Hell, Atraxa, Grand Unifier occasionally takes people out in the combat step too. Because of Ad Nauseum, you need to go to combat more anyway to keep life totals low, otherwise the naus player will absolutely pop off. As for normal EDH, people absolutely can and should go to combat in early turns. The reason people sometimes don't have normal combat at their tables is because they are all too scared of political backlash. Lowering life totals early helps make your winning turn easier to do. It's simpler to craterhoof a table to death when they have a total of 60 life than it is at 120.

[@bluedog4248]

Hard agree, especially from the causal side. I play a lot of combat focused decks and it helps to actually get the game going or it just becomes pillow fort and control

[@ReZileancy]

Don't forget Jeska decks

[@cephalonsark1530]

@exsnypre I'm inclined to agree. At the same time, I think normal EDH can be a very combat heavy format, likely as much as cEDH, as long as the people involved aren't too scared or spiteful. It really depends on your playgroup. I'm always attacking for bits of chip damage in the early turns but I've met people who are far too scared of provoking aggression to fight early.

[@Kestral287]

I'm very eager to teach people to take reasonable attacks when possible in EDH for exactly this reason. People who get mad because a Lotus Cobra swung in on 3 just because they have no blockers are a hard negative in the format.

[@GoodJobRobot]

It’s funny hearing tomer list all the ways that edh has ways of making people attack, and then halfway through everyone’s still at 40

[@Varler_]

Viewer Submitted and cEDH are always my two favorite episodes. It's fun to see them back to back!

[@covfefe5842]

Ahhhhhh just started the vid and saw Crim playing my deck! About to go back to teaching school next week; this really made the end of summer break special! Thank you guys!

[@covfefe5842]

I play the battle suite because when they flip, they get played from exile for more wolves 😉

[@louissimonlefebvre8254]

@@covfefe5842 That's what I was thinking. Awesome deck btw!

[@covfefe5842]

Thank you for the kudos!

[@Dom9606]

that look on Seth's face was beautiful when the magus of the moon dropped

[@Brodysseous]

Crim with the A+++++ manipulation to get Seth to swords before he plays the Magus

[@EZ__Chicken]

I agree with Seth's choice not to immediately do his combo. Sometimes in commander, it's not about winning as soon as possible. It's important people have fun and sometimes, in my opinion, if you're playing with friends, it can be correct to not make the best possible play to ensure a quality play experience for the table.

[@papaUrabrask]

Agreed 100% The amount of times I coulda swept the table before any of them got to do their thing is staggering (especially with Prossh) but I always sandbag the goods until everyone has done their thing. Let people play the game, if you're that sweaty for a win you need to counter people's shit or combo off before someone else gets their stuff going then just go play a different game.

[@Coyote81]

That would be true, but noone did their thing because Seth control locked the board.

[@rossgreen8259]

Yeah I would've much rather seen the phage play early and potentially gotten a second game. But prolonging the video for an hour to just still do the same thing is kinda upsetting.

[@Sinistra359]

Same. I'd rather have my friends, who took time out of their busy lives, have fun than try to nickel and dime every win.

[@alexwhite3612]

That’s the spirit of the format!

[@colecarmichael5724]

@ 14:25 you can hear tomer turn into Mickey Mouse

[@Flamez]

Tomer, you can pry my My Chemical Romance CDs from my cold, dead, 34 year old fingers.

[@jankzgsoldier9396]

dude, after an hour of holding his win, boardwiping, "letting people play their decks", then just playing the win he had this entire time, and then after that say "it good when everyone dies so that you dont have to wait an hour" when HE LITWERALLY MADE US THE VIEWERS AND THE PLAYERS WAIT AN HOUR WHILE HE HAD THE WIN THE ENTIRE TIME. WHY???? I get playing nice, but why pick a deck and not win the way it CAN ONLY WIN. that logic is nuts. anyways, ggs, who knew field of dead was good

[@moralessanchezoscarelias6412]

Very cool decks! Glad we’ve got to have fun watching what the decks could do.

[@VivBrodock]

the best Ambush Viper is probably Black Lance Paragon 1 more power same mana cost gives death touch *and* lifelink to a target knight, so it doesn't even need to be the one blocking you could use a 1/1 knight token. Or if you've got a big knight with trample you could use it offensively and absolutely destroy a block. Or more likely then trample you can abuse some first strike DT shenanigans

[@jvt3888]

Came here to say this.

[@VivBrodock]

@zacharyroach4957 that's pretty valid, I don't play snow so I've got literally zero experience with it. My main problem would be that on turn 2 it's just not an ambush viper and that's explicitly what we're talking about.

[@EffinChat]

It's a sad day that nobody posits Snapcaster as an option for best Ambush Viper

[@andrewf6167]

Lol, Seth just sandbagging the whole game like a true villain

[@brighamschellinger147]

"We said we wanted a faster game." Looks at 2 hour video timer. Laughs maniacally.

[@McDodgerMan]

55:00 The actual line is to recast Aminatou +1 to put Phage on top of your deck, Fractured Identity Ugin +1 to manifest her, then use an end step Thassa to blink the spirit. This way, you fully display you could’ve won the game yourself, and you can get a personal victory lunch while everyone else plays for another hour.

[@Stupidexport]

It's not actually manifested, thassa blinking wouldn't work. But you could just Thassa blink phage normally for the same end game

[@AustinMerfeld]

I was hoping when Seth saw the Etali, he would use his commander to put phage on top, but then I realized Etali was a may.

[@Darchias]

Modo DOES track which is which. Tokens are always sorted from left to right based on age. Tokens on left are older than ones on the right.

[@erayhaselton]

"I have an answer to the field of the moon" 👀👀👀👀 crimmmmm lmao

[@charmandenator5686]

Seth choosing not to kill everyone at 55:10 earns my respect. Sometimes letting a game go on to see cool plays is better than a victory.

[@NKMitch42]

I would of liked to see a second game, Seth should have done the thing.

[@robboomsma6739]

I really like this new style of intro this season

[@ODIRGO]

At minute 6:00 Crim talks about Field of the Dead and Eldrazis, and Richard touches his neck trying to pretend Crim Doesn't know what he's talking about.

[@TomGalonska]

1:22:41 "There is no infinite, I made sure of it" Crim... what is the Squee doing in your deck?👀You sussy baka. [Edit: The game going from a chill vibe to everyone freaking out at the exact moment food chain is revealed is kinda hilarious]

[@RyanEglitis]

I get the idea of wanting to show the decks off, but I think it would have been better to just win instead of sandbagging the whole game. Also a great reason not to play two card combos - you don't just luck/tutor into it as easily, so you don't feel bad about playing it out.

[@FuturePreference]

Tomer conveniently avoiding the solo clash on in the beginning so the rest of the group does not have to talk about him being knocked out first every single game so far again lol.

[@dood5426]

Darkdweller oracle was shifted to common XD

[@emagtresni]

Seth choosing not to do the thing after I spent an hour watching him setup the thing and politic his way into the perfect position to do the thing was such a blueball. Just do the thing the deck is designed to do and win the game...if you want to see more of what the other decks are capable of play a Game 2!

[@BrewersKitchen]

9:20 Yes 😅

[@void91g]

I love th3 break down yall talk about all possibilities ❤🎉

[@mandielyn0416]

What are you guys talking about… CEDH is full of combat, Tymna, winota, jetmir, Raffine, edric, I mean the phase’s name has been changed to kraumbat for god sake.

[@julianalvarez4231]

Magus just screwing richard early in mono green is hilarious

[@DannyWatchUtena]

Group clash on finally happened! 🎉🎉🎉

[@andrewgolubiewski3463]

1:54:36 I paused here to go do something and was really confused for a second. Felt like Tomer knew I was starting to watch again and had to shoehorn in his catch phrase.

[@WushuTaz]

That was a fun game! Looking forward to next weeks cEDH game too!

[@brandandixon3943]

Its actually embarrassing that the card phyrexian Negator isn't in the deck. It's on mtgo and it's a second dralnu. Makes the deck way more consistent

[@brandandixon3943]

For tomers deck

[@isaabd1334]

How do you submit decks for next time, is it on patreon?

[@surfinggarchomp2820]

they do community posts, usually about 3 weeks in advance

[@Triforcer]

The note was highly appreciated, though I think winning and then playing a game 2 is a much better idea

[@logansmall5148]

I like playing Leveler to combo with fractured identity.

[@hanschristopherson8056]

Commander clash is beautiful chaos lol 😂

[@davidgraff443]

So glad to see Seth play my deck... It rarely wins but is ALWAYS fun to play. Also I 100% agree with his decision to hold back phage... it's in there in case the game goes too long and it seems like no one is close to winning.

[@logansmall5148]

I recommend adding a Leveler to combo with Fractured Identity, it's what I use. Most comically paired with a Mikokoro Center of the Sea to then make everyone draw on an empty library :p

[@Minedeleis]

I love how absolutely nobody, not even the pilot, knows what Richard's deck is supposed to do.

[@kbobMTG1983]

I play a mono green lands combo deck also but I use Yedora Grave Gardener and it is a absolute MONSTER of a deck I love it!!

[@terryjohnson8261]

When did the submissions post go up? I never saw it and had a great one this time :(

[@natejablonski]

Isn't Snapcaster Mage the best Ambush Viper?

[@willashcroft2396]

5:55 crim unknowingly calling out richard’s hand and richard low key sweating is gold (ik ugin isn’t an eldrazi but 8 mana colorless bomb feels honorary)

[@SpecialKail]

I can't believe Seth let crim bait out his swords like that.

[@nickjoseph77]

I could see Seth going for the combo there and doing a game 2 but I respect the decision to want to play more with all the decks.

[@nicholasrolo886]

Nice haircut Tomer 👍

[@BadCookies1234]

This was a good game. FINALLY saw some good threat assessment where Richard couldn't use the boss plot armor to steam roll the game. And the finisher had some nice razzle dazzle by the winner at the end.

[@brendanpulsford]

Seth's opening hand is all kinds of brutal lol

[@ODIRGO]

Seth should had gone for the win, his deck was doing exactly the thing it was supposed to do. Then they could go to game 2. DON'T PUT IN YOUR DECKS CARDS YOU DON'T WANT T USE TO BEGIN WITH.

[@nathannguyen9907]

I play fractured identity phage combo in the Yennett Russian Roulette deck

[@NaviTheMD]

Best intro mode so far

[@chancebates8041]

One of the only things I miss is the deck intros, other than that👌

[@blueeyedenvy9715]

So surprised Seth didn’t counter the excavator

[@wemf2]

Can't believe that Crim doesn't seem to recognise Covfefe?! LOL!

[@NPD1000]

Crim- I dont like green. Alos Crim-Proceeds to play green.

[@Shimatzu95]

Is the crew at all interestes in pdh? Aka pauper edh

[@Beefman.0]

Would be funny to have in game gimmicks, what if everyone had the board of the player to their left minimized?

[@zeroisnine]

Ehhh. Obviously, this is a show to entertain the kiddies, but I would feel like my time was wasted if someone just punted or prolonged a game. I mean, people are like "oh, I'm glad that he values fun!" But like... are you saying that after the game ends, you're just gonna be destitute and crippled by depression? Move onto the next game. Or the next thing to do. Have fun and take your friends along with you, but the game is over.

[@rossgreen8259]

Yeah to me the play to prolong the game kinda upset me a bit. I love the durdle,get value mindset of playing but it feels like they're starting to try and lean too much into that nowadays. Especially when they have Phil on. I think the phage kill at like 55 minutes would've been so cool to see and then we could've gotten a second game in possibly

[@pistolpete7422]

The point was to show off what the viewer submitted decks were capable of, and for them to get a chance to shine as well.

[@RyanEglitis]

Really just a posterchild of why tutors and two-card combos are bad to put in your decks.

[@bulbasaurappreciator]

"Did I say lands deck? I meant my deck was BLAND" lmao

[@theabrandt6177]

Copying the Invasion DOES copy the backside, but battles do not transform, they go to exile first. A token copy would hit exile and never come back.

[@bardicben]

Yooooooo, late to the party but I know your pain Tomer in regards to your miniatures. I also ordered that Kickstarter in 2019, and after paying the storage I finally got them.... In 2023. At this point I had no use for them as I've been unable to run an in person DnD game since covid😅. Blacklist Miniatures was in hindsight a terrible name for a miniatures company

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

I haven't painted them either, but not because I stopped playing dnd, it's just that painting was a big hobby for my adhd brain back when I ordered it but I lost interest by the time they arrived in 2023 :P

[@bornofthenight3871]

All the new stuff is nice, but i do certainly miss the old thumbnails.

[@pistolpete7422]

It’s to help with the algorithm, just skip ahead if you hate it that much

[@thomasjacobs4919]

@@pistolpete7422 how do you skip a thumbnail?

[@pistolpete7422]

@@thomasjacobs4919 figured he meant the intro as well since that came along with the thumbnails.

[@louissimonlefebvre8254]

Yeah I miss them too, at least we get a little bit of it at the start of the video.

[@thomasjacobs4919]

@@pistolpete7422 the op only said that they missed the old thumbnails, which I agree with that the art style from the old ones looked better than just some cards and pics, not that they disliked or hated anything. It just seems awfully presumptuous of you the way it came off.

[@alexwhite3612]

Everyone is so scared of Urborg without realizing it’s in the deck for Field of the Dead that’s already in play lol

[@kamikirbits7708]

But why not play something else if the black mana is not important

[@Lovabledingo]

If we want to submit a decklist for the next viewer submitted, where do we send them?

[@singularleaf3895]

It'll be in their community tab on their channel. You just need to keep an eye out and submit when it shows up on the notice itself.

[@tianruixiao9239]

Big props to Seth for not going Phage Identity, that's a proper content creator play!

[@kamikirbits7708]

Dark-dweller oracle went to common not uncommon

[@davidhansen5067]

Nobody is surprised that you don't know who an anime character is, Seth.

[@smelltank]

I get the decision but still Seth not just winning when he could have makes the rest of the game way harder to watch. In the back of my head i just keep thinking that none of this should be happening right now.

[@beardlybear6528]

i wanna see tymna and ludevic party deck i think itd be fun as heck

[@TheeKrix]

Next Commander Clash I say you all play high stakes partner commander. It would be Richard/Crim Vs. Seth/Phil. Both teams bring their best decks to the table with everything on the line. If Richard/Crim win, Seth would have to shave his beard and Phil would have to grow a beard . If Seth/Phil win Richard would have to rock Crims colored hairstyle and glasses and Crim would have to shave his head. This event would last a month from the starting date. A true, for the fans Commander showdown extravaganza! Imagine the view’s

[@zemineriver8043]

I also have a secret commander fractured identity deck I should've submitted that dang

[@siri7005]

I'm so glad the game ended the way it did. Would have been a shame if it hadn't given the reason it was passed up.

[@Coyote81]

Not to lie, I'm kinda of annoyed, @1:03:32 if you mana drain that sundial, you have enough mana to Phage Fracture and win. Then we procedure to play for another hour, where you lock the board out and end it the same way.

[@singularleaf3895]

He had the chance to Fracture Phage multiple times. He just gave them a chance to answer him and try their stuff.

[@hanschristopherson8056]

What is this crim playing green?

[@Renamawn]

Monogreen landfall deck...daring today, arnt we

[@mrmotas]

Clash On!

[@totallyrealname6376]

1:07:00 I know exactly what company he's talking about lmfao

[@JoshRudis]

On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" They gone and did it... they read the comments. Will Seth finally have found the most jank win ever or has Crim finally succumbed to an infection of green mana? Tune-in to find out!

[@mightyone3737]

Yeah, adults can't really yell or scream for fun like kids, we get in trouble for being loud REALLY quickly. :( Also, I don't like yelling as much because it's less comfortable as an adult, it irritates my throat. Not only do *I* remember gaming via modem, I remember our family was so hardcore about BBSing that we got a second phone line. I used to do Heat Warcraft 2 games, I wasn't bad at it IMHO but maybe I just played scrubs? I could type well and had memorized almost all of the hotkeys, so I did have that speed edge when building my town. In a 2 vs 1 game I waited until one of the opponents wasn't looking at his home base anymore (he was babysitting another mine iirc, so he only checked a few buildings), since I was close to the unit cap and was still producing hard I just started churning out Dwarven Demolition Squads (I'm pretty sure I was human, I liked using Invisible Fireshield stuff, we didn't use the Blizzard/Dead and Decay spells, they were too anti-fun) and wiped out his entire home town, it was glorious. Apparently you don't get any notification if a suicide bomber damages your buildings, it's one of their only upsides. I think I gave them a reprieve (they more or less said that we could call the game or I could let them rebuild and they could try to fight it out, so I 'won' but also ended up losing since it was unit cap 2 on 1. In Heat play iirc I played aggro rush type strategies, usually if you can kill off a bunch of peasants/peons with a few grunts a player will just quit out of frustration. Good times for all I'm sure, at least Warcraft 2 isn't an actual chore to play like Warcraft 1, I can't believe I played that as much as I did, it's so 'hard because you can't interact with the stupid game', hard rather than truly difficult.

[@MrCrimAngel]

crim is the monkeys paw of answers

[@IQuarent]

Richard, I think it's better to actually admit when you're the threat sometimes. When you are lying, deflecting, and pointing the finger at someone else 24/7, people just stop believing you.

[@cthulhusol]

CLASH ON

[@psychozen7169]

Seth opening hand is gross. Window Jesus army in the House brewer kitchen here in spirit!

[@CyberNewType]

Not really sure what’s the point of playing a deck with a win con, only to not play the win con when you have it. Just doesn’t make any sense… Just don’t pick that viewer submitted deck then… SO confused at that choice. I stopped watching at that point, pretty much made the rest of the game pointless after that.

[@irishassassin89]

Shout out to Seth for letting everyone else play their decks out a bit longer and letting us, the viewers, enjoy a bit more content in the end.

[@leonfriedemann9151]

I miss Phil somehow 😅

[@SpecialKail]

Maximum greed

[@zacharia4061]

Seth is based and red pilled

[@julianalvarez4231]

Very funny to watch richard not notice the combo ready to go off with the cobra, amulet and guildless Edit: Oops not really a combo. But it is a real good synergy

[@thevaultwalrus]

YAYAYAY

[@ADVBCAT]

I don't like it when people draw the game out for the sake of drawing the game out. It just becomes meaningless screwing around which is not interesting to watch. I watched up to the point where Seth had the option to win, then skipped to the end to make sure he actually won. Glad he did, or else it would have felt like a waste of my time to have watched it at all.

[@FirstLast-gm9nu]

Week 2 of asking for the 4 player karrthus tyrant of jund mirror match