Frame by Frame Analysis (UPSCALED) Was it an ILLEGAL Low Blow? Usyk vs Dubois - Boxing Breakdown

In-depth Boxing Analysis Identifying if Dubois's Strike was an Illegal Low Blow. Oleksandr Usyk claims it was Illegal however.. Was Daniel Dubois Robbed of a 5th Round Victory?
Dubios Coach also accuses Usyk of ‘CHEATING’ and says Ukrainian ‘faked’ injury from ‘low blow’ during controversial fight.
Daniel Dubois is a British professional boxer known for his power and knockout ability.
Oleksandr Usyk is a Ukrainian boxer. With an Olympic gold medal in 2012 and a dominant cruiserweight reign, he's known for agility and technical prowess. Usyk's charisma and move to the heavyweight division garnered widespread attention in the boxing world.
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[@woodybenjam]

I 100% agree that it wasn't a low blow, but the first frame where you say there is a shadow on Usyk's shorts, this is not a shadow, this is "ghosting" where the movement of Dubois arm/hand is moving between frames. You can tell this by the fact that if you look at Dubois forearm, he also has "ghosting" on this part. Plus, for there to be a shadow on Usyk's shorts it would need a light source from below and behind Dubois, the Boxing Rings light is from above. I still agree though that the punch hasn't landed yet in this frame, and everything else is 100% correct. Nice work.

[@ClaimerUncut]

Appreciated Woody, an argument has been made that the Cup was hit on the first frame, my rebuttal is if you compare frame 1 and 2, there's no movement in the shorts groin area. Regarding shadows, these are soft shadows from indirect light. Global illumination essentially, not from spot lights.. not worth the debate, key thing is.. My argument holds ground, so cheers ✊🏽

[@npcprototype4831]

It's a shadow, ghosting would trail the momentum of the object.

[@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504]

Let's be clear here about what we are actually looking for. The confusion seems to stem from this idea of 'belt', or the 'belt line'. If we are to understand the boxing rules completely then we should be talking about the belly button area, and any strikes below that. Even with this careful breakdown of the screen frames his fist still seems to land below the belly button, as it is visible before the punch connects. I believe that's where the confusion lies, this idea of 'belt line' being judged from the perspective of how high the shorts are worn.

[@ClaimerUncut]

Since we can't see the navel, we have to assume the shorts are aligned with with Navel. The optics are skewed because the sides of Usyks shorts raise in two instances, as he begins the crouch, and as the punch lands on the shorts. My latest video "attempts" to remove the optical illusion, check it out you might be interested.

[@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504]

@@ClaimerUncut Thank you, perhaps I will as there's good work in the presentation, though you obviously aren't being neutral in your conclusions.

[@p4kito92]

Doesn't matter if was low or not imho if you QUIT and get knockout by a JAB from an opponent who don't even belong to your weightclass you don't deserve to become Heavyweight Champion of the world.

[@ClaimerUncut]

I'd give Dubois benefit of doubt there, simply because he was fighting two opponents that night. He couldn't move an inch without the Ref signaling him doing something wrong, and imagine knocking down the champ in the 5th.. and being told it was illegal, it's like fighting a guy who refuses to go down, accept in this case the Ref refused to let him lose (in that scenario)

[@MrGreglarry]

That is why I can't see a rematch. I don't think they will order it.

[@Mitsu8998]

@p4kito92 Spot on!

[@craniumcrux]

​@@ClaimerUncutI think it's disingenuous to say dubois W as fighting two people. The ref wasn't telling him off every two seconds. He was warned about other borderline punches. At the point that shot landed he had to trust the refs decison and fight on to try to win. The ref made a decision on the fly on a very close call. Dubois couldn't know one way or the other if the shot was legal at that point, he needed to knuckle down and get back to the game plan.

[@backseysenghore3222]

It's clearly obvious that it's a low blow

[@ClaimerUncut]

But.. the video

[@JBXXR]

@@ClaimerUncut video is wrong, Usyks naval clearly visible on the waist band of his shorts. try again mate

[@CoachJimWheeler]

I get you’re English but come on, that’s a low blow, what organ do you think it impacted? Liver ? Solar plexus?….try again

[@ClaimerUncut]

That's not his belly button, watch the frames before I freeze the frame. Try again mate.

[@ClaimerUncut]

What organ do YOU think it impacted lol.. Try again.

[@importantvideos4529]

While you certainly put in a lot of work, and you made some valid points, there's one thing you missed. When you paused the instant before impact, look at the position/location of his glove. If he's making contact with the shorts and pushing them upwards, what else do you think he's making contact with? That area isn't flat man.... There's a cup there, and as many have pointed out kind of hard to try and make a case for pushing the shorts upwards without also hitting his cup as well. If he's hitting the cup, that's still a low blow. As anyone who has engaged in contact sports knows if you jostle and get hit in the cup, especially in a way that slams it in one direction or the other, the pain can be immobilizing. But let's say you still disagree... The mere fact that the ref was already warning Dubois of low blows prior to this hit, and the fact that it was so freaking close that we have to examine it frame by frame tells us the ref made a safe/good call on the fly. The call could of gone either way, it's the nature of the sport.

[@ClaimerUncut]

Well first of all, thanks for not being a fanboy and just stating "it was a low blow" you make valid points, the problem is neither of us can see through the shorts to know specifically where his cup is, I cant make a case that he did or didn't hit a cup on the first frame, but the argument is there. I'd suggest watch the groin area, between frame 1 and 2. It doesn't appear to graze the area.. And from frame 2 it's onwards and "upwards" 🤷‍♂️✊🏽

[@mickaeljobert9127]

​​@@ClaimerUncutit was a low blow. Talking shit

[@sarahX..]

You make good points. I have added my own analyses of this video above.

[@MrGreglarry]

I agree. The call of a low blow is justifiable. The video keeps guessing (and lowering) where is naval is.

[@npcprototype4831]

@@sarahX.. It's a rational point although you only have to look at the frames provided to see how the shorts react to the glove, and where a cup is located, there is 0 indent or ripple related to the punch AS you watch frame by frame. Did it hit the cup, possibly? But it's for you guys to provide evidence, not us refute wasn't isn't visible. The 2nd frame clearly shows the moment of impact when the shadow is gone, It pushes the side of his shorts back although you can see it hasn't penetrated his body yet. The third frame makes clear the trajectory and direction of the punch, and this is where it lands flush, heading upwards. I respect the arguments, however I do sense bias since he brings up Dubois multiple "low blows" which isn't the argument in question. I personally just want justice and Usyk has faked low blows in the past. That's an indicator we shouldn't take his word for it.

[@JuicyExplosion]

Its not a shot to the nuts but it was low.. the ref did the right thing

[@ClaimerUncut]

So you refute the last frame analysed in the video?

[@ninoesteves]

100% a low blow. the trajectory of the punch. coupled with the point of impact, which isn't the ghosting or shadow as you call. dubois was outclassed and he used the only available 50/50 outcome hoping for the call to be made in his vavour. it didn't and the rule stayed.

[@ohgodyeahgamer2987]

People suggesting ddd was robbed of a win is ridiculous. He was robbed of a knockdown not knockout. Uysks smart hes gonna stay down if hes told he has 5 minutes. Of course was hurt but nothing suggests he wouldn't of got up if the ref started counting.

[@ClaimerUncut]

So we're just assuming that Usyk could just get up before the 10 count? How about the premise of this video?

[@ohgodyeahgamer2987]

@@ClaimerUncut he was told before he hit the floor it was low and had 5 minutes. Uysk knows the game and played the game. Personally i think it was low but can see it both ways. Either way it doesn't change the winner for me

[@soleknight3212]

Usyk was done. No way he gets up. He was shaking

[@ohgodyeahgamer2987]

@@soleknight3212 hes a guy that went back to his country at war when he had millions in the bank and could of gone anywhere. He would of got up pal

[@ohgodyeahgamer2987]

@@soleknight3212 he has a different mindset to 90% of people.

[@144lukey]

Also a shot doesn’t need to be to the nuts to radiate pain and cause damage to them. The whole area Usyk got hit was sensitive and if you go back to the fight you see his belly button a tad when he’s trying to recover which implies that he got hit below the naval which is a low blow. As I said, be consistent with your statements or be quiet about the situation because otherwise you make yourself look biased. I hope you’re going to mention Dubois’ gift win over Lerena next, if you haven’t already.

[@dwreck9969]

Your clearly a hypocrite

[@princejohn6560]

Rule of thumb in boxing: if a punch lands on the shorts it is illegal. Any referee will make this known before the fight. People can speculate all they want but the referee (who didn't have slow motion replay available to him) made the right call when the punch clearly landed on the shorts and on no part of Usyk's skin.

[@iandixon9675]

It’s a close one but the fact that when Usyk went down he was breathing,well blowing heavily gives a clear indication that it hurt his nuts.If he was dropped by a clean shot he would of went down because he was winded and wouldn’t be able to breathe.I don’t know why no one has mentioned that.

[@the_royal_drop_short.]

You were doing well till you said that Usyk failed to stand back up after the ten count. The ref never counted as he deemed it a low blow, if he had counted Usyk would have got up, he's not the type of fighter to quit, unlike Dubois.

[@ClaimerUncut]

Probably best to examine your own words, to determine why it's fair to say you're clearly a fan of Usyk and not a of Dubois. Bias clouds judgement, and I can't waste words if i sense wilfull ignorance

[@the_royal_drop_short.]

@@ClaimerUncut That's rich coming from someone who throughout the whole video, and in his comments to others shows a clear bias towards Dubois.

[@user-nn2fh5yo5w]

@@ClaimerUncut bro you was doing good, but you are clearly showing bias and just trying to justify a clear lowblow. How many Warren pays you?

[@Nickxxx85]

@@ClaimerUncut Well Dubois already showed in previous fights he lack strong character. And Usyk proved he doesn't. Im not a fan of either of them. Nobody knows but Usyk is though, skilled and could also use dropping to the knee to get another 10 or more seconds of rest, while I don't see Dubois as a really good finisher, so If I had I would bet on Usyk surviving the round and we know what would happen next as he is undoubtly better skilled.

[@noname85808]

It’s a low blow, full-stop 🤷‍♂️

[@npcprototype4831]

Lol did you watch the video, it's proof that it's NOT a low blow. Stop holding on to a lie.

[@ClaimerUncut]

Interesting, just a question.. DID you watch the video? and if you disagree.. why?

[@noname85808]

@@npcprototype4831 🤖?

[@DrakeyWayne]

@@noname85808 A robot calling a rational man a robot

[@bahpu_]

@@noname85808why don’t you give some reasoning then

[@user-it7mf5us8z]

You can see on the video Dubois punching below Usyk's belly button. It's an illegal punch.

[@ClaimerUncut]

Provide the photo where you see Usyks belly button please 🤷‍♂️👍

[@user-it7mf5us8z]

@@ClaimerUncut DON'T BE STUPID. Watch all Usyk's fights his belly button is always over a belt, always...

[@user-it7mf5us8z]

​@@ClaimerUncut kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4DEeHR-hdWUrq8 Watch 17:35 where do you see Usyk's belly button?

[@ClaimerUncut]

@@user-it7mf5us8z I watched the fight, I understand where his belly button is when it shows Before the fight. My argument is where is his belly button when the punch lands considering he's crouching, and his shorts get pulled up. Analyse my final frame I cover. Use his belly button to make a rational measurement of where his belly button resides

[@user-it7mf5us8z]

@@ClaimerUncut My advice to you: DON'T BE AN IDIOT

[@Aggyoko]

Videographer and photographer here. I appreciate your analysis but I think the FPS of the video, which looks like 25FPS, is too low to do a proper frame-by-frame analysis, considering it was borderline. I tend to believe it was low based on other lines of evidence such as the nature of the punch (not a solar plexus or liver shot) and Usyk's reaction. Also, even with the borderline nature of the punch, it's hard for me to consider it a robbery because we don't know what would have happened if the ref scored it a knock down and started counting.

[@ds1270]

There is no such thing as BORDERLINE. You cannot hit the trunks, end of story. If you hit the trunks it is a low blow and it is INTENTIONAL. You must be blind to hit the trunks by mistake. I would like to know who started this BS of bordeline low blow.

[@dlalwon1]

The navel estimation is off since Usyk's body is jumping up, the punch didn't really move things as much. His navel is still on the upper side of the belt so even looking only at the full contact it'd be low. The representation of the fist inside should be tilted on the right along with the glove, showing that actually more knucles are below the navel(which again i fell is higher than estimated).

[@luluhead8433]

I think the power from the upward thrust lifted the protector up and squished his privates......it was also the referees decision on the timeout...Usyk was also a clear winner....before and after

[@ClaimerUncut]

I think the video justifies, if you consider where his cup would be, that at most it grazed the cup, which I honestly don't think he did, however we can only speculate on that part. What is clear is the positioning of the shot and full force of impact.

[@pitadriti9767]

The ref was the one who ruled it a low blow, so the lingering question then is: if Usyk would have been able to beat the count if compelled to. My answer to that is yes. He took advantage of the amnesty period of 5 mins because it was awarded to him by the referee, as according to the rules of the game. Furthermore DD should have proven his prowess, power and mettle, by upping the ante after that. Instead he was just losing it until he quit. I see two standpoints from those saying it was a low blow when I read the comments - first most are racial and second the others are nationalistic. DD supporters here are mainly the Brits or blacks. I am a black man and it is sad to see how people are so stereotyped, emotional, and lack rational and technical thinking.

[@ClaimerUncut]

Well put, Racial and Nationalistic bias is rife on my channel. I was under the impression DD was overwhelmed by the mental pressure fighting two opponents? I didn't mention racial tones myself, for obvious reasons.. however the optics weren't ideal seeing a Ref who likely couldn't validate the low blow in a split second, demanding the black fighter, who was already abiding to his instructions to "look at me.. LOOK AT ME". I mention this, because I assumed the thought entered DDS mind aswell. I've had this happen to me at a foreign restaurant, and the guys confidence to talk to me like this, despite me being am athletic man myself.. Made me feel at that moment weak in the legs. From that moment, anytime Usyk gestured a low blow, the Ref catered to Usyks demands and gestured to DD to be careful. DD was discouraged to continue attacking the body. Thats alot to process whilst simultaneously fighting a technical fight at a fast pace.. I think he mentally checked out for the aforementioned reasons, what do you think?

[@stephenstrange4239]

​@@ClaimerUncutsir daniel duboise needs to see a sports psychologist..if he mentally chks out in these moments.cricketers use them ..maybe sir daniel shd too

[@GrubKiller436]

@@ClaimerUncut You continuously say DD was overwhelmed by the mental pressure of fighting two opponents. As if that actually means anything. That is not an excuse for a loss. Real rich to be calling everybody biased when it is clear you yourself are.

[@dlalwon1]

The moment of impact is actually the picture that is shared online, the bottom of the trunks' fabrics converge on it in that moment. The guess of the belly bottom after the punch fully lands seems also very low to me here. Regardless the punch coming up could've engaged with the cup somehow still making it illegal.

[@ClaimerUncut]

So the moment of impact doesn't occur in my video?

[@dlalwon1]

@@ClaimerUncut Occurs earlier like in the picture that is shared by everybody that you said is wrong. Also saying that it's a robbery since "Usyk inability to stand back after the 10 count" sounds off since there was no count and there is no an alternative universe to see what would've happen.

[@MrGreglarry]

I agree. He clearly keeps lowering his estimation of the naval line.

[@ClaimerUncut]

@@MrGreglarry Instead of agreeing with teveryone who shares your view lol.. challenge those who disagree with you. that's how we get somewhere.

[@DrakeyWayne]

How can the moment of impact be before the frames he shows dude.. when the first frame he shows, it barely touches the shorts? Explain the logic or are you just holding onto someone's take because you're a fan of Usyk

[@quentincrisp6933]

This is questionable as many things are in boxing. Challengers never get the benefit of doubt in boxing!! What is not questionable is Dubois didn't win a single round and got his arse beat & QUIT! Calling it a TKO is a formality. End of the story!!

[@Nickxxx85]

yeah I agree. It would be more questionable if they didn't count it as a low blow and Usyk somehow wouldn't be able to stand up

[@Nickxxx85]

the better one won

[@TheGreatest_Ali]

His new video proves it's not questionable

[@NorthernSmog]

I usually think you are spot on with your analysis, but on this occasion i have to disagree with you. People keep talking as if belt shots are legal. The belt isnt a target, its part of the protector and if you hit the protector its a low blow unless the ref states at the beggining of the fight that the shorts are high which he did not do in this fight. Ref had the perfect angle to see that the shot was low and called it as such immediately and told Usyk to stay down. How anyone can he mad at that call is beyond me. If it was called a legal blow i wouldn't be upset either because it was borderline and could have gone either way but If it was called legal Usyk would have got up like he always does. All of this talk is just taking away from the fact that DDD got dominated and quit on he knee once again.

[@mirekswoje6723]

100%

[@ClaimerUncut]

That's alright NS, we're not going to agree on everything. The rules are below the belt, I referenced this in the video. although Refs will modify the rules relative to the positioning of a fighters belt, usually in the locker room. Id argue that watching the shot live, the ref didn't have the best angle to see at a freeze frame where it landed. I highlighted the words of the commentators reaction watching it in slow motion. Live vs slow motion, how that's up for debate.. I don't know. Dubois inability to stand up is a seperate argument, however I agree. Dubois folds under pressure. I made this video as fair as possible, and I'm not making a one off comment to disagree with, my numerous points would have to be discussed or Refuted. the only thing I think is rational to question is the position of his naval, however I simply measured from his chest and ribs.

[@ClaimerUncut]

What's your opinion though based on the video Mirek?

[@mirekswoje6723]

@@ClaimerUncut The video itself is ok. I appreciate the work you put in. But the punch was below the belt (I've been boxing for 20 years and everyone knows that below the belly button line where the protector is. WE DON'T HIT). What DDD did was intentional. Generally, this kid can only become a champion by accident. And as a colleague wrote - This whole conversation just distracts from the fact that DDD was dominated and once again gave up on his knees. Regards. (sorry my english is not perfect😉

[@ClaimerUncut]

@@mirekswoje6723Your English is great! I think Dubois lack of mental durability and the low blow are both worth arguments in their own right. I think the main debate stems from the positioning of Usyks belly button. I will try to replicate the position in photoshop, since I'm open minded to being wrong, however by measuring from the chest nipple, I think my measurements are mostly correct.

[@denalmazov8278]

I see the belly button higher than the green line shown in the video (I believe it's on the initial red line, at least I can see the belly button earlier this round) and also I disagree that the shorts shifted that much after the punch (my subjective point of view). We should also take into account that the referee doesn't have it in slow motion and he made a decision immediately that it was illegal punch. Also, what bothers me is that DDD was aiming this shot too low, we can see that he saw where to hit. Usyk had the whole chest not protected at this moment, so why not to aim to the liver or at least a bit higher the belt so it would be clear for anyone that it's a legal punch. I think that was a part of his plan - landing shots on the verge of a foul to the painful spots but I could be wrong because of personal bias

[@ClaimerUncut]

Yeah I can only estimate regarding the belly button 😂 I tried to be fair, so even if you disagree I hope its clear I'm trying to make this as objective as possible. The problem with the ref is that the shot clearly wasn't to the "nuts" and Usyk specifically said it was. We needto implement AI in instant replays to avoid these debates anyway 🤷‍♂️✊🏽

[@denalmazov8278]

@@ClaimerUncut I agree that It definitely wasn't to the nuts, but the shot probably had an impact on the bladder, which can be extremely painful

[@the_royal_drop_short.]

@@ClaimerUncut How many times are you going to stop a fight to watch a replay?

[@iceblued2005]

Go look at the Jared Anderson vs Rudenko fight and see what the Ref says before the fight starts he points to the top of the trunk and says to both fighters this is the foul line and then he proceeds to say that any blows on the belt is a foul.

[@ClaimerUncut]

Yes.. the fight which took place AFTER the Usyk fight also on Top Rank. "Below the belt" is an expression for a reason. Ref's can tweak rules to their accordance but they have to announce it first. The Ref didn't announce this to Dubois or Usyk. How about my video though? does it not sway you or do you have a clear rebuttal maybe?

[@iceblued2005]

​@@ClaimerUncut Below the belt is a expression that refers to all the area of the body that lies below the line of the opponent's navel, including the genital area, legs, and crotch and i think Dubois punch landed atlest partially under the the navel in my opinion and that makes it a foul . I guess it was up to the disgression of the ref he called it and i dont know the exact instructions given maybe he adressed it in the locker room before the fight. Your video is good also True Geordie has a good break down of what happened i guess we all have different opinions and thats is ok.

[@ClaimerUncut]

@@iceblued2005 thanks man, how did you find my video btw.. I'm a small channel and it's tough to get coverage 👀

[@iceblued2005]

@@ClaimerUncut I just wrote Usyk in the search bar and your video popped up, yeah i am sure it`s difficult to get coverage but as long you love what you do keeping it real and pumping out new videos i am sure your channel will grow thank you for keeping it real you earned my sub.👍

[@ClaimerUncut]

@@iceblued2005 hey appreciated Bro, I'm remaining consistent in the grind so hopefully the algorythms throw me a bone, thanks again

[@sarahX..]

Whilst i agree your video is a decent effort, it still assumes shadows and assumes Usyk`s naval position which IMO is not necessarily accurate. As the glove starts to come in contact with the fabric it appears to begin making a `crease` or `indentation` which can also change `shadow effect` or perspective along with Usyk`s body position and `lighting effects` will all play a small part. Assuming shadows to suit a argument in this particular situation is a very far stretch IMO which can be refuted back and forth all day in greater detail getting everyone nowhere. I have seen several images where we can see Usyk`s naval clearly during the fight and also other images where it looks to be directly on the top-most belt line where we can barely just see the top of his naval showing. Other than that it seems the top of his belt was BARELY covering his naval for the most part of the fight so basically right in-line. IMO that first green line should be higher just under the red line or directly in the top of Usyk`s belt logo (the black circle) . That inserted` fist image` does not look right to me. The inserted fist image looks to be a bit too high at the wrong angle. Should be turned clockwise 90 degrees - especially considering a upper cut which would change the whole perspective somewhat, Thus IMO this image is not really inserted in the glove properly showing us a somewhat unrealistic impression hitting Usyk a bit higher than it actually was. And yes upon impact his belt is also raised higher whilst his body starts to move backward and upward as the shot travels near completion which also changes the perspective a little bit. From all observation my call is that Dubois thumb may have been right inline with Usyk`s naval (at best) but his fist is still impacting below the naval and possibly even catching part of his protector cup (connected to the belt) on the way which will likely add to the whole impact sensation `down there` on a male. I believe True Geordie explains this aspect very well in his latest video re this circumstance. Also Usyk`s immediate reaction to the shot is telling. A typical successful body shot causes more of a delayed reaction /breathlessness. Usyk was clearly in immediate pain typical from a low blow. Froch explains this aspect very well along with others. Maybe we should all simply agree this situation is *borderline* therefore the final call totally and fairly at Ref`s discretion. Considering the rest of the fight. There is plenty of evidence Dubois was hitting low all night with several shots (although not as powerful) are indeed impacting even lower to Usyk`s groin which he complained about and noted by the ref who gave Dubois warnings. Other than that Usyk dominated the fight, recovered brilliantly, and won by KO - jab to the face - all of which which is impressive and very telling. Just my 2 cents from a non-biased female researcher living in Australia involved in a boxing family.

[@ClaimerUncut]

Hey Sarah, appreciate the lengthy response, I'll try to respond to each point. _ "it still assumes shadows"_ So the shadow I'm referring to is from indirect lighting, (global illumination), We could argue optics all day, however place a cup on a table with no direct lighting, and you'll how these types of shadows form. _"Usyk`s naval clearly during the fight"_ You're referring to the top indent on the shorts, It's not his naval, and the best way to confirm this is simply look at his chest > rib to naval positioning to work out the dimensions, then look at a photo during the press conference where his shorts are lower and show his true location of Naval. _That inserted` fist image` does not look right to me._ I tried to be accurate regarding measurements, fully aware it's a guessing game for everyone. _"Maybe we should all simply agree this situation is borderline therefore the final call totally and fairly at Ref`s discretion."_ The problem here is that Usyk claimed he got hit "in the nuts" and still stands by this. He also did so against AJ, where he was hit in the stomach, and received a lengthy break from the Ref. Usyk does not handle shots to the body well, and he knows how to play the game. Giving him benefit of doubt when he claims a nut shot, yet it clearly didn't hit his lower regions, I believe make it worth questioning the legitamacy, and his cup wasn't hit either, I have a YT short showing this. "There is plenty of evidence Dubois was hitting low all night " I agree, however it's a seperate argument. I'm a fan of Usyk, he was the superior technical fighter. I'd just argue that he got caught with a legitimate strike on the belt, above the naval, and he manipulated the Ref to recover. Again, thanks for the discussion - The channel was created for that reason, Uncut & Unfiltered🥊💪

[@MrGreglarry]

I agree. This video started out good and then went biased to Dubois pretty quick. The green line is way off.

[@sarahX..]

@@ClaimerUncut Thanks for the reply. Ok no worries i will just respond to most relevant points as i see it. "You're referring to the top indent on the shorts" Actually i meant exactly what i said. Usyk`s actual naval was clearly apparent in the ring at times before during and after the fight. There are several images circulating showing this fact indicating the upper most of his belt was very much in-line with his naval obviously shifting slightly in vertical direction at times which is totally normal. Because of this Usyk has a strong case. Conversely if Usyk`s naval indeed never showed at all during the fight then Dubois might have more of a case. Again - i think Usyk`s top belt line was in fact very level with his naval for the most part which means his naval will sometimes appear covered and also sometimes be showing to a certain extent - depending on his movement and if he adjusts his shorts at all. It is more a matter of millimeters not inches IMO. If my assessment here is somewhat accurate then it means Usyk`s shorts were in no way too high (unlike Dubois) and basically in the correct position - or at least good enough. Which i believe to be the case. "The problem here is that Usyk claimed he got hit "in the nuts" and still stands by this" Being hit with such a powerful shot by someone like Dubois in this area will also cause some kind of `shock wave` wouldn`t you agree? Especially if the shot has come in contact with his BP cup during the trajectory of the upper cut which is what i believe has happened by the way the whole short&belt raises upward - as all is connected. Hey and what if Usyk has huge hanging balls? (lol) Seriously though... what if they were situated higher up in order to actually fit in the cup instead of squashed down low? I mean there are many possibilities here which we can only guess. Surely he would have felt that impact pretty much everywhere in this region which of course would be extremely painful As you acknowledge yourself Dubois was aiming low and actually hitting too low already prior to this punch. Considering everything - i think Usyk`s response/reaction is at the very least merely indicative of the whole. Most boxers would react the same way under these circumstances and of course stick to their initial reaction, even if it was not quite as bad as we are meant to believe. Otherwise it merely creates more unnecessary controversy and raises questions to Usyk`s credibility etc. If Usyk really felt a % of pain in his lowest areas then he has every right to stick to his initial response especially if Dubois is already hitting him too low to start with. What % of that pain was in the balls - who knows - only Usyk. As you know there is allot of lies deception and cheating in boxing. Usyk has a beautiful record compared to most and has always given the impression to be honest fair and the most consummate professional which should also be taken into account.

[@ClaimerUncut]

​@@sarahX.. All great points (especially regarding the shock wave effect) although I won't go tit for tat however.. I'd ask if you have the time: Open up a separate window with the photo (google images) of Usyks hand being raised, where you see his belly button in the ring. Compare his belly button to ribs / chest ratio with my video on the 2:33 mark. Estimate where Usyk's nipple is and where his belly button would be in relation. I'd argue my estimation is almost spot on.

[@BillyDaHustler]

@@ClaimerUncut You're right, the belly button is alot further down than i thought. it's not even debatable that it was legal if the belly button is where it appears to be measuring from the chest nipple

[@depe01]

Why not use a liver shot. This shot was aimed and landed below the belt line. This one was just a little bit to low.

[@SmokingJoe62]

You can’t simply state ‘Usyk’s inability to stand up’ as fact, given he made no attempt to stand up. Furthermore, he wasn’t required to stand up in the absence of a count and the ref immediately calling it a low blow.

[@ClaimerUncut]

Fair, although selective in your arguments no? I'm open to rebuttals regarding low blow or not.

[@SmokingJoe62]

@@ClaimerUncut are we not all afflicted with a natural bias in our arguments

[@ClaimerUncut]

I'm not suggesting your bias, more so the premise of my video challenging the refs decision I depth.

[@SmokingJoe62]

@@ClaimerUncut the conjecture around the exact point of impact is a moot point & open to interpretation based on the referee’s view of the incident. The very fact you have to go into such minute detail only goes to prove how close a call it was and certainly far from clear cut. You’re also being very disingenuous to the referee in your assertions he was deliberately working against Dubois. The referee had a fraction of a second to make that call, not an hour to break it down frame by frame. You also talk about Usyk’s “inability to make the 10 count” what 10 count? there wasn’t a count at all and why are you so certain he wouldn’t have beat a count if there was one?

[@ClaimerUncut]

I offer on a plate the intracies to make the argument that it's clear cut, specifically if we all agree on the location of his belly button. Search for an image of Usyk with no shirt on. Look at the distance between point of elbow and bellybutton. His bellybutton is strangely very low in comparison. Then look again at the frames in the video. Regarding the referee, did you believe his actions to be fair? Informing Usyk to take even longer breaks? Telling Dubois to look him in the eyes aggressively whilst Dubois showed no signs of disobeying? Disingenuous is beginning to sound like a projection no?

[@user-it7mf5us8z]

1:15 Look on your blue line, you can see that Dubois gets down his body position for a low punch. To me, it was an intentional foul.

[@GrubKiller436]

Usyk doesn't wear his trunks high. All that body area above, and Dubois went that low.

[@orestmakar8562]

The first frome was the moment if first impact. The gloves will always leave a shadow because they are round and when the second frame was the punch progresing higher you and actually see the belt reforming on the far side and caving in proving that the later frame is of the punch going deaper into the body. Even on the second frame most of the glove is below the belt. 🤦‍♂️

[@npcprototype4831]

Respectfully i dont think you know how indirect lighting causes shadows. He's 110% correct regarding the distance of the glove and body on that frame.

[@the_royal_drop_short.]

@@npcprototype4831 40 years of photography both street and studio, I think I have a slight grasp of lighting and how it works with different shapes. There's no way that the shadows will tell you the moment of impact in this case, unless you know exactly where that lighting is placed in relationship to the position of filming.

[@orestmakar8562]

@@npcprototype4831 You did not explain how in your opinion light behaves in this situation and how it effects perception. You have based your authoritative claim that the conclusion made in the video is „110% correct” based on your unprovable claim that you have a deaper understanding of how light works than other people in the comment section” aka you being an expert on the subject of light. Your comment is condesending and disrespectful despite you using the word „respectfully”. You made an argument from authority (argumentum ab auctoritate), also called an appeal to authority, a form of fallacy when the opinion of a non-expert on a topic is used as evidence to support an argument or when the authority is used to say that the claim is true, as authorities can be wrong. The argument can be considered sound if the authority is an expert and when all sides of a discussion agree on the reliability of the authority in the given context, and if the argument does not rely on the authority to establish truth. The infalability of your claim (the author of the video is 110% corect) is based on you being the expert/ authority, not on actual argumentation on how in your opinion the lights works and effects percepttion. 🤦‍♂️

[@ClaimerUncut]

@orestmakar8562 The lengthy definitions of illogical fallacies 🤷‍♂️ A bit much, but anyway I'm under the impression he does have a deeper understanding of light than the average since he referenced indirect light in another comment to refute someone else stating direct light nullifies my argument. I argue that the shadow is caused by reflection absorption or the deflection of photons. As part of my career for near over 15 years (appeal to credibility.. Ahum 👀, I simulate real life light rays using global illumination methods. Place a cup one inch away from the table, you get a similar result. Anyway I'll leave it with you guys, appreciate the healthy debate so cheers 🥊

[@GrubKiller436]

That is not a shadow. That's just a ghosting effect. The creator of this video also said it was a shadow, which is not correct.

[@erasenson5039]

At 1:52 is the bellybutton is partially visible, so Dubois' thumb is on the same level with the bellybutton on the impact frame. I think the whole glove counts so the green line should be drawn a bit lower. If if the punch connected at least an inch or two higher, it would be an awesome and legal bodyshot.

[@ClaimerUncut]

That's not his belly button, yes right now you think I'm BS'ing you.. but I can prove it. 🙂 if you slow down my video, and watch the frames beforehand. You'll see it's an indentation caused by his shorts when he begins to curl his body in preparation for the punch. His belly button is lower, and an easy measurement is looking at a photo with his button visible, and measuring from his chest nipple to indicate button location.

[@erasenson5039]

@@ClaimerUncut Ah yes, I see Usyk has an indentation there. The belly button should be right where you drew it. I still think DD caught the guard partially with the lower part of the fist/glove and also because of the upward movement: On high resolution footage you can see the blue and yellow colored guard through Usyk's shorts. Duboi's gloved fists aren't exactly small either. To what extent Usyk took advantage of the referee's decision or if he had simulated in any way, I think only Usyk himself will know. So far I have to pint out that he has always fought clean. I have the impression that if/when Usyk really loses his belts, he will do it in an honorable way, without using any dirty tricks to avoid defeat. I think the ref did the right decision, but I would have loved to see that shot landed a bit higher and therefore legal without any doubts. Dubois really delivered his power on that one. But it is what its now. Thanks for your analysis.

[@denalmazov8278]

@@ClaimerUncut I can see the Usyk's belly button in this fight, I checked the latest video from the top rank in the highest quality kzbin.info/www/bejne/ooGcc2yYid2hfLM. It is on the same level as the black line from his shorts. Also, I can see it on the same level right after the low blow punch kzbin.info/www/bejne/ooGcc2yYid2hfLM

[@BernhardBernard]

2:23 the green line is supposed to represent where you think the navel is? I would assume its a bit up myself... I understand the shorts move but this is becoming a lot of measurements and imagination on where the navel is and where his balls are... I could see how the cup could have moved up and pinching the ol jewels because I know the feeling... Usyk got A side benefit of the doubt and that type of thing happens all the time... Controversy aside. Do people think it's really a good idea to put D in with Usyk again on the hopes of yet another punchers chance? I think it would be terrible for him. Especially if he were to be stopped again... He really needs to rebuild for the future. If I were his team, I'd let it go and make the Fury fight... But then again, someone will surely tell me why I'm wrong... 😅

[@ClaimerUncut]

2:23 no one can verify exactly where his belly button is, however look at that's why I mentioned "consider his rib position. You can also measure from where Usyks chest ends, and that will. Give a more accurate indication where his naval is. Usyk was clearly the better fighter, Dubois was fighting at a speed he couldn't keep up with, and I believe that's why he eventually gave up. AJ said it himself, but people misunderstood him having a go at Usyk. He said he's a jage jacked HW. Usyke is seen as this underdog but the reality, he's made his style jab heavy to have the advantage. I don't think he beats Fury however. Too fast, great cardio, good footwork and not a muscle head

[@BernhardBernard]

@@ClaimerUncut I don't know how motivated Fury is... After seeing the Netflix show I'm actually giving Usyk the edge. Tyson is obviously struggling with alcoholism and I don't think he's going to actually take the fight... Hopefully we will see it though

[@peterholt6523]

An excellent analysis and balanced conclusion with respect to the complex dynamics. Well presented

[@danielbourton1279]

What did you watch? That was some grade a shill work from someone desperately trying to work backwards from “it was legal” yet still couldn’t even make a convincing case.

[@bohdan519]

The main point is not bellow the belt line. It's bellow the belly botton. The main power of the hit was still bellow the belly botton. You can tell that it's a low blow by Usyk's body reaction. It's not 1 second like if it hit the liver. It's immediate like if it was a low blow. Another point: there is a video from behind. Usyk's pelvis was shaken not his liver.

[@r.7618t]

What about with Anthony Joshua's punch which was much higher but still called low by the same referee, we are onto your game now wait for Tyson Fury to deal with you all and put your cry baby to rest once and for all.

[@ClaimerUncut]

I must.. Watch this fight again 👀

[@Gl0ry178]

Have you seen his newest video though?

[@kurthill7030]

Well done you for showing the truth facts don't lie great break down of the punch 👍

[@geraldcorkson9605]

Oh my you are the best. This is the best analysis I have seen. Wow!! Please can you analyse the one for AJ vs Usyk 2. I'll be very grateful for this.

[@ClaimerUncut]

That.. Is a great idea, I'll add it to the list

[@geraldcorkson9605]

@@ClaimerUncut Thanks alot. I'm glad I found your channel. Where has it been all this while. Great job!

[@ovieebreme2869]

Newton's first law states that every object will remain at rest or in uniform motion in a straight line unless compelled to change its state by the action of an external force. The short was stationary. What made it move? The shot or the shadow of the shot. With all due respect, the video is neither AI nor agreeing with the laws of science. Your argument proves it was a low blow!

[@ClaimerUncut]

"The video is neither AI" who said it was AI? I said it was upscaled using AI.. What's your argument? "Newton's first law" the entire video breaks down the moment of force and change.. Again what's your argument? "the short was stationary. What made it move? The shot or the shadow of the shot?" You're referring to a frame where i clarify there no impact at the moment. "with all due respect" I'd suggest make your points clear and concise, and grounded in common sense as opposed to taking the psuedo intellectual route.

[@TomF291]

Good analysis

[@ClaimerUncut]

Much appreciated Tom

[@TheCameraManReviews]

Holy moly, your editing is epic. Best I have seen! Nice Work.

[@ClaimerUncut]

Hey thanks TCM, yeah I'm trying my best to grow the channel, so it's quality every step of the way until the algorythms show me some love! 😁✊🏽🥊

[@ogedengbebabatunde9249]

Agreed. I am subscribing right away.

[@Pdrotenko]

Problem with this, you don’t consider size of Daniel’s glove, and go by the image seeing from the top point of view, which hides depth of a glove. It’s hard to see where the bottom part of a glove is, and if you measure width of a glove, you know that bottom part of it landed way too low.

[@ClaimerUncut]

The impact came from his knuckles, I illustrated his hand placement later in the video, I'd say it's accurate

[@denalmazov8278]

​@@ClaimerUncut this would be correct if only knuckles hit the body, but the gloves make deformation on the wider area causing some distribution of the force to area (pressure). Of course the distribution of the force not the same all over the glove, but even if we saying that the impact came from his knuckles, we have to understand that this force is applied to the larger area due to the gloves

[@suave676]

“After Usyk’s inability to stand up after the 10 count” - what count? There was no count because the referee (who by the way was perfectly positioned to see the punch and impact along its full trajectory) immediately called it a low blow - the referee’s word is final. Further, Usyk’s reaction is IMMEDIATE, that doesnt happen with body shots (unless a rib is broken). There’s nothing to speculate about, its a low blow and this is hardly a frame by frame analysis (impact point wouldnt cause immediate movement of his whole shorts, but would radiate out from the point of impact which we dont see here because those frames are missing). Without missing frames we’d also see a lowered hand placement of dubois as his punch is on a low to high trajectory)

[@ClaimerUncut]

Yes, the referee who watched live, in a split second was able to identify the exact placement of the shot. 🤷‍♂️ "The referees word is final." Do you keep this same energy in regards to law enforcement, the court of law, and politics? Id suggest you find a photo of Usyk with no shirt. Look at low down his bellybutton is compared to the ends of his elbow, then watch the video frames again. I've said this to 6 people so far keen to debate.. They haven't returned since Ive mentioned this.

[@suave676]

@@ClaimerUncut logical fallacies won’t help you in this debate - you’re trying to compare sport to law enforcement - no matter your straw man argument you can still be wrong. Yes, the trained professional who was standing right next to them and could clearly see the full punch from start to finish can tell better than 1 angle of a camera from outside of the ring, I don’t see how this out of all things is what you decide to try and argue? Also, appealing to how many people you’ve supposedly told this to and “won” against is wild lol - I get that you’re upset that I’ve identified a major flaw in your video, but regardless I think it was well made, limitations considered. Again, this reaction does not happen with body shots unless we see a broken rib, interesting how you’ve avoided this point completely. What would seem more plausible is that his groin protector was hit and pushed into his genitals causing that reaction.

[@eddielee9212]

It was a low blow

[@ClaimerUncut]

But.. The video 🤷‍♂️

[@eddielee9212]

I watched the whole video. There's plenty of footage showing on the belt line being low. Also clearly Usyk went down like a tank, not with a delay. He was hurt. His bladder most likely took the impact. And that's a low blow. Why would Usyk fake it when he was winning every round? Great video though. @@ClaimerUncut

[@ronanbrennan6639]

Go listen to Barry jones, british commentator and ex boxer who was at ringside. He said he heard an impact on the cup.

[@Hghar]

Probably heard a lot more as well fried out his head on the marching powder

[@ClaimerUncut]

So you watched my video. Saw clearly where the punch landed.. And if there is the possibility it "grazed" the cup, which if you watch the shorts each frame in the cup region, there's no ripple or indent to fuel that argument. With all that.. Barry Jones heard the impact of the Cup in a split second? Lastly.. Your argument is another man's argument. 🤷‍♂️ You have thoughts on the video no? .. Share them

[@Nickxxx85]

I would say it is exactly on the line of being illegal and legal and referee could judge it either way. Now considering Dubois in fact did some other more clear low blows it isn't exactly unfair to call this one one. Now another thing is counting it as a low blow doesn't mean Usyk would lose, he may have stand upt go in clinch or keep distance, maybe drop on the knee for another 10sec or more of rest and still win. And one more: he won all rounds, outboxed Dubois, put him dowm, made him quit. I don't really see Dubois any close to being champion after that fight

[@BernhardBernard]

Yeah, Fight Film just done a video showing 20+ low blows landing on Usyk

[@Vipersrule]

@2:05 I disagree with the shorts being pushed up at that moment. They ruffled, yes, but I disagree that they moved at all. It appears they changed shape, but didn't move (imo). But in this still image it appears the only parts of DDD's fist above the green line is his thumb and index finger knuckle. The other 3 knuckles are clearly below the bottom of the belt. @2:19 you say "...although the punch has landed on his shorts" while the image still shows arguably 3 of DDD's knuckles below the bottom of the belt line, are you not admitting that it was a low blow here? You've established the punch has landed and show a still with the majority of DDD's glove still below the bottom of the belt. @2:39 even with your slightly-off image of the fist in the glove, it still shows at least two knuckles below the bottom of the belt. As we all know the rules state 'hitting below the belt' is not allowed, and given that DDD has multiple knuckles below the belt throughout the entire punch, it's only reasonable to conclude that it's illegal. A punch is either legal or illegal, and in this case since some knuckles and contact were below the bottom of the belt, I think by definition the punch has to be labelled illegal. Edit: a few more thoughts... @3:20 Your entire comment here about empathizing with DDD is also off the mark. Dubois (and everyone else) knew he had to win by KO. After the low blow he still had over half the fight to do so. And even in the 9th when he QUIT, he still had over 1/4 of the fight to do so. He's a professional and he knew what he had to do and he chose not to do it. Saying it's a lot of pressure and is discouraging to have to continue fighting after you know you 'won' the fight is irrelevant as all professional athletes are under a lot of pressure at all times. DDD made a conscious decision to quit. No empathy is justified there. The only time quitting is justified in my opinion is when a fighter voluntarily stops fighting for health reasons that could have long-term effects on the rest of their career and life (i.e. broken eye socket) 'Based on his inability to stand back up after the ten count'. As others have pointed out it's disingenuous to make this statement because there was no 10 count, and it's impossible for any of us to know what Usyk could or could not have done if there was a count. DDD had the benefit of resting the entire time we waited for the fight to resume, and he still failed to finish a hurt Usyk. In fact, Usyk actually took it to him after the fact. DDD failed to capitalize on pretty much everything. One last hot take: you don't actually believe what you've said in the video and are farming engagement for the algorithm. Or maybe you do, I don't know :)

[@ClaimerUncut]

Food for thought. Google an image of Usyk with his arms down. Look at the points of his elbows and where his belly button sits between. Then watch this video again and tell where his belly button is located. I believe wholeheartedly what i preach, because I'm a man of integrity who believes in Justice in all it's forms. Black, white, eastern european.. truth is truth.

[@brooklynloutheskeptic]

the REF is in charge of the ring and does make judgement calls. If a shot is low or not is a judgement call and is not science. You may criticize the ref and maybe he is a bad ref but Usyk did not cheat, he went by the rules of the sport. The REF gave him time to recover, which is exactly the rules of the sport. I have watched boxing for over 50 years and have seen countless shots like this ruled differently by different refs. It is a part of the sport, just like a ref in basketball calling a guy for travelling. Personally, I see this shot as being literally a judgement call that could go either way. I lost money on betting DuBois. I am not angry at the REF. The real story of the fight for me is that Dubois was not aggressive enough and played a tactical game with Usyk and this is a sure-fire way for a bigger and stronger fighter to lose to a smaller and more adept fighter. The end of the fight was clear. Dubois did not get up and was counted out. Hit by a good Jab, yes, a good Jab.

[@JBXXR]

your investigation is wrong, if you pause at 1:06 Usyks naval is way above the red line that you placed.

[@ClaimerUncut]

Your thoughts on the final two frames? The hand position..etc

[@JBXXR]

@@ClaimerUncut pause at 1:45 you can see Usyks naval perfectly inline with the waist band of his shorts.

[@JBXXR]

@@ClaimerUncut now whats your thoughts?

[@peterholt6523]

Suggest you use similar analysis technique to verify if the Referee was able to see and judge effectively at the instant of punch impact

[@ClaimerUncut]

Great point Pete, it's now on my list

[@DaveN80]

It was low.

[@bradbradford8576]

It isn't accurate, or at least honest, to say it took Usyk over 4 minutes to get up. It's impossible to say whether he could have continued if the ref started counting when he went down. Low blow or borderline, Usyk was hurt, and he sure as hell wasn't going to (nor should he) say "idk ref the pain doesn't feel quite low enough for that, I think you should start counting," and try to get up right away. Hopefully they rematch some day

[@ClaimerUncut]

Google it.. It took him 3 minutes and 45 seconds to stand up. Now self reflect on accuracy and honesty.

[@GTschumacher]

All that did is prove it was a low blow, people seem to think a low blow means the balls, it doesn't

[@ClaimerUncut]

You may have difficulty processing information. I offered you the official rules. Showcased positioning, trajectory and, impact. I operate on nuanced research, what you've offered in response is surface level. Watch the video again, and you'll refute yourself.

[@GTschumacher]

@@ClaimerUncut what you offered was a load in inaccurate evidence, the video speaks for itself .. it was a low blow. Unfortunately boxers can't hit below the belt line .

[@watz6962]

Sorry but it was a low blow. The belt does not matter, any shot below the navel is low blow. And the analysis here, stating that the shot went up while pushing the guts of Uskyk upwards and at the end it was above that line is a joke. Exactly that uppushing should not happen. Also a hit on the line is not OK, as half of the glove is below the navel again. However, it was not Usyk claiming that, but the referee told him to stay down and take its time. In case the Referee would have startet counting, Usyk would get up in time and would have won anyway. Daniel was not able to finnish him anyway, there was not one

[@BillyDaHustler]

I agree, and even if I disagreed your editing is so fire, I'd have a smile on my face throughout

[@ClaimerUncut]

It's quality over quantity all day every day ✊🏽🥊

[@user-nn2fh5yo5w]

The video started good, and turned into a joke, just to try to justifying the lowblow, which was what it was a lowblow. And that was not shadow, but ghosting, do you even know what the heck you are talking ?

[@ClaimerUncut]

The video started out good because you thought I'd prove it was illegal. It's an indirect shadow and ghosting is relative to the previous frame. I'm a video editor and senior designer for 20 years. What are your other arguments regarding the 3rd frame? Give it a go..

[@user-nn2fh5yo5w]

@@ClaimerUncut This guy is pathetic. He deleted my posts images and videos where i expose his bias.

[@rechtsanwaltzak5878]

There was no count so he didnt stress to get up . Idk if he could tbh

[@thebigdogg2866]

You do realize beltline is illegal?

[@ClaimerUncut]

So you have boxing regulations and rules which refute the ones in this video? And let's for argument sake say you're right, did you see the final frame I reviewed? Or.. did you not watch the video and just offer a surface level take?

[@MrAyyubpatel]

Usyk must have had Balls lift surgery- Dubois never hit him on balls- Refree gave Usyk and actually force to take two more minutes after Uzyk wanted to continue after hitting clear knocked out by gut wrenching punch/ a perfect punch to cruiser weights light body and it was the end- countless fighters have got punched in that area and no one ever called it a foul or low - he got knocked out and did circus act

[@ClaimerUncut]

What you just offered was logic. Common sense. Critical thinking. What Usyk fans in return will offer you is emotions. Bias. Surface level thinking. ✊🥊

[@Silius-yz6kw]

He wasn't hit in the balls he was hit in the lower intestines which isn't a scoring shot. You can actually see the tip of Usyk's navel in videos that showed the other angle and the initial impact was a good three inches below the abs. Stomach shot it was not. Even here in the freeze frame, you can see the 'shadow shot' (which as others pointed out is actually ghosting) of Usyk's trunks pushed in by the initial impact. It was a low blow and bias or not the ref called it correctly. And just because fouls are missed or ignored often doesn't mean they are legal scoring shots nor that the ref shouldn't do his job.

[@rosewoodsteel6656]

Unfortunately, none of this matters. The call was at the discretion of the Ref, just like balls and strikes are at the discretion of a MLB umpire.

[@Vamscaprio]

The first impact counted that it was low blow

[@ClaimerUncut]

Saying it doesn't make it so, refute the video!

[@rhinousprotected4347]

Was there a 10 count ? Even when i watched the fight again, i could not find the 10 count ...

[@ClaimerUncut]

I guess you refuted my video.. time for me to quit KZbin!

[@pugil1sttheboxingforce940]

Some good points are made here, but when you say, Dubious had already won, you're assuming that Usyk couldn't have risen by "nine" if he needed to. I tend to think he would have, though we'll never know. We'll also never know if he would have survived and recovered to beat Daniel. Too many uncertainties.

[@Bishop7772]

The worst referee ever in the history of Boxing 🥊 Dubois won that fight. Daniel Dubois should be the new heavyweight champion of the world.

[@billyrocky2974]

I 100000000% and i use to box for over 23 years. That wasn't a low blow.

[@ClaimerUncut]

Yup, and if you want to strengthen your argument 100000% more.. Look at a picture of Usyk with no shirt on (pause) and look at his elbow points in relation with his bellybutton. His button is ridiculously low. Now compare to the video 🤷‍♂️🥊

[@danfors1333]

If he's hit below the height of his own elbow while standing straight the way he is with elbow tucked straight down to the body then he's definitely hit below the navel, unless he has T-Rex arms or a low hanging beer belly... which he hasn't. A fighter shouldn't have to lower his hands below own elbows to protect below the belt and leave whole upper body unprotected. It's a very clear low blow. Also the angle of the fist is thumb upwards, not sideways like the inserted picture wrongfully implies. The knuckles and hard taping that makes all the impact is at the low part of the glove hitting completely below belt and navel. He got hit on the bladder and will probably be pissing blood afterwards.

[@ClaimerUncut]

Search image of Usyk with no shirt, then come back and tell me where his naval sits relative to the point of elbows.

[@danfors1333]

@@ClaimerUncut I turned off my google safe search settings and did that. His naked body is of ordinary proportions and navel is where it's expected to be.

[@Tony-mu6mx]

Most people just look at this in black and white but these were the thoughts going through my head. The fine detail of it being illegal or legal, if any of this analysis os overlooked you can't really call it.

[@ClaimerUncut]

Exactly, funny enough.. that sums up my entire thoughts on those who think at surface level and those who think critically. I mean just look at my comments, I have those who not only agree, but break down WHY they agree, on the flip side I have those who regurgitate what they've heard elsewhere and just throw those points in the pot, without considering anything in my video.

[@user-ue1gk7qd2o]

Why no one mention how the glove pushes his shorts up

[@ClaimerUncut]

I mentioned it in the vid

[@eugeneeugene3313]

You put the green "belly botton" line in the wrong place - it is higher that you put it by about 2-3cm. It was 100% low blow.

[@ClaimerUncut]

Before my first frame i hold on, watch the video in slow motion just before the punch lands. You'll see that what you think is his belly button, is an indentation from his shorts as he crouches. His belly button is under his shorts.

[@eugeneeugene3313]

@@ClaimerUncut I just watched the video of whole fight - please take look at the beginning of the fight you can clearly see his belly button just above the shorts. The problem is that during the fight those shorts move a little (may 1 or 2cm at most) and cover his navel. I watched the whole fight in slow motion - there was at least 4 times when DDD hit him with the low blow (bellow the navel height).

[@ClaimerUncut]

I have 0 issue with being wrong, Although I would say your elbow theory if anything proved my point no? Take a look at how low his belly button is to his elbows? You moved onto another point without clarifying this part.

[@eugeneeugene3313]

@@ClaimerUncut Sorry, I'm not sure I understand what "elbow theory" you mention? I didn't imply anything about elbows... It was just multiple clear hits below the navel line, which is not allowed in boxing.

[@phil4225]

From what the boxing rules state a low blow is anything below the belly button. Does not matter if it hit the groin or not. You could hit is leg and it's still a low blow.

[@ClaimerUncut]

What you think is his belly button, it isn't. play my video in slow motion before the 1st frame i freeze on, you'll see it's an indentation when he begins to lower himself. You can estimate his button position, from the distance of his lower chest. My argument isn't the groin.. my argument is above or on the naval. Usyk is the better fighter, but Dubois was robbed of his victory.. fluke punch or not.

[@phil4225]

@@ClaimerUncut I appreciate your video but I can still see Usyk belly button above the punch. Either way the ref made the call and he can't analyze it like you just did he has to make the call right there. Dubois was losing the whole fight and got ko'd. If he was that good he would have finished Usyk but he is not. They can have a rematch but it will end with Usyk winning again. I definitely don't see it being a robbery not on a close call such as this one.

[@ClaimerUncut]

@@phil4225 cheers man, I'm making another video for tomorrow which should Validate a few things

[@phil4225]

@@ClaimerUncut I do like your video though. Check out some of Teddy Atlas points as well on his podcast. Either way if there is controversy they should rematch. I still believe Usyk will win again but thats irrelevant.

[@FightFanatico]

That editing tho 🔥

[@ClaimerUncut]

Thanks Bro

[@ClaimerUncut]

Thanks Bro

[@checaganteng9431]

it looks like the usyk bird is coiled up😂😂😂😂😂

[@hawkermustang]

Super Low

[@ClaimerUncut]

Thanks for your thought provoking evaluation 👍

[@watchyahead2]

So, the Ref made a Decision and there is a discussion about it, like about Penalties or Offside at Soccer, and that caused Dubois gettin knocked out ? Srsly

[@ClaimerUncut]

"so the ref made a decision and there is a discussion about it." Whats your argument against a discussion? "And that caused Dubois getting knocked out?" What's the correlation between the end result and round 5? What's the premise of the video? Critical thinking vs surface level breathing.

[@watchyahead2]

@@ClaimerUncut My Point is, the Referee made a Decision and in the aftermath there are two Opinions in judging that Blow. Both Opinions have their Point and the Ref could have decided the other Way. What annoys me is that a lot of People say Dubois was robbed or betrayed, i don´t see that, the Decision was not illegal End of Story.

[@stephenstrange4239]

For sm1 who relies on tech to show evidence..u claim that the match shoulda ended there...but what tech do u have to show that Usyk would not have beaten the count? Thats speculation.n why shd we go easy on DD? Thats the 2nd knee in 3 fights ,he's taken.n why not ask ...that irrespective of legal or illegal..if Usyk was hurt why did DD not go for the kill? There was over 2 min left in the round.also i think ur green line indicating the belly button was quite low given usyk's torso.he wasnt robbed ..he just dsnt know how to finish a wounded animal.

[@degenerate8228]

What did tyson fury say?

[@Mitsu8998]

"The 25-year-old Dubois says he will head-butt, use knees, and do whatever else he needs to do to subdue the unbeaten Usyk. If Dubois is permitted to run amok on Saturday, the referee will look like a useless third wheel. " Dubois had every intention of cheating before the fight even started.

[@ClaimerUncut]

Words vs Actions. Refute any points in the video you disagree with.

[@Mitsu8998]

@@ClaimerUncut "Assume" his belly button is here. Yes, assuming. Not fact! "Usyk's inability to stand up after the 10 count." There was no 10 count because the ref deemed it a low blow. Had there been a count, you don't know for a FACT that Usyk wouldn't have got up. Also, did you cry this much when Lerena was robbed when he fought Dubois? Dubois was down 3 times against Lerena and the bell went 10 seconds early. Lerena could have finished him in that 10 seconds and probably would have given Dubois is the ultimate quitter.

[@arindomudiare3898]

he's a biased frank Warren fanboy masquerading as a neutral boxing analyst@@Mitsu8998

[@ClaimerUncut]

lol watch my latest video big man, and eat crow

[@ClaimerUncut]

Why you wearing a tiny wizard hat on your head Bro? I mention Frank warren being right, I'm a fanboy.. great logic there.

[@user-lg3rw1ct2j]

And actually your wrong, rules dictate that the glove cannot be below the belt, and alot of the glove was below the belt on impact. But let's have a rematch.

[@ClaimerUncut]

Please inform me where to find the rule that states a "glove can't be positioned below the belt" as opposed to "no striking below the belt".

[@user-it7mf5us8z]

Low Blow is an Illegal punch. In the fight was Low Blow

[@ClaimerUncut]

Did you watch the video? It proves it wasn't a low blow. Lastly are you a fan of Usyk?

[@user-it7mf5us8z]

@@ClaimerUncut I did watch your video. It proves it was a Low Blow👍 “The belt” in boxing is literally “an imaginary line located on the level of the belly button”. Therefore, any hit delivered BELOW the belly button is illegal” Dubois's punch was below the belly button.

[@FourClover713]

Usyk greatest weakness is the body great game plan by Dubois to bad he didn't execute the plan but props to him for making it a controversy when AJ didn't even make it close

[@Dobzie795]

Usyk isn't the hare he's the full puxxy....everyone is coming for him now with his glass and eggshell body.

[@haydengarinduchesne9269]

Won the fight ? We will never know if Uysk would’ve made the count because he wasn’t forced to , he was clearly hurt and if you aren’t administered a count and are given time to recover why would you get up ? . Wether the blow was legal or illegal it wasn’t called DD had his opponent hurt and basically did nothing if anything Uysk was the aggressor after that incident then let’s be frank DD quit and then cries about being robbed ? He chose not to get up , he was losing the fight but still very much in the fight he made the decision to quit , not saying he wasn’t hurt but I think everyone will agree that he could’ve gotten up and he didn’t protest the stoppage , he wanted out , and that’s ok , but to cry wolf afterwards ?

[@eugenenajor6095]

I agree, that was not a low blow. That fight should have ended in the 5th.

[@ClaimerUncut]

A man of integrity 💪

[@Nemoticon]

Mofos want VAR in boxing, lol. It's the Ref's discretion, end of story. Dubois was punching his nights all night long but couldn't get back up after a jab. Deal with it, move on.

[@ClaimerUncut]

"end of story" "deal with it" "move on". Remember these same dense. Minded, "surface level" statements when you wish to refute something you feel was unjust in the world.

[@Nemoticon]

@@ClaimerUncut Huh, what kind of a disney show is this? Shall we sing a song with all the animals in the forest?

[@soleknight3212]

This is absolutely SUPERB. I have watched it in slow motion frame by frame over 30 times. Even if there was the slightest feather of the shorts on its way in, that is NOT impact. Fighters often will nick the shorts/cup in the clinch, so this bit is irrelevant. The punch is what matters and you have done a brilliant job. The point of the fist is directly in line with the navel, landed to the right of the symbol on his shorts. It was 100% a body shot. If the shorts were below the navel, we would not be having this conversation and Dubois most likely the champion. People need to think about that. Imagine the same punch landed, but with the shorts where they should be, slightly below the navel. It would have been ruled a body shot. Belt line shots happen all the time in the game and are very rarely called low.

[@ClaimerUncut]

Thankyou Sole, you are offering me some level of sanity lol.. not just by agreeing with me, but the fact you're able to breakdown the information shared, which indicates where atleast trying to be as objective as possible.

[@soleknight3212]

@@ClaimerUncut Bro, I have watched it until blue in the face most of yesterday. I can see why some argue there may have been a very slight touching of the shorts in the photo being used around social media, as you said, but there is NO IMPACT at that point. I will add that the punch as a whole may have lifted the cup to an extent, and this may have contributed to the damage done, but this is not Dubois fault as the main punch is a body shot - end of story. Please do me a favour bro as it will help calm your brain cells (haha). Go watch round 4 of Manila. This is a good measuring stick as the same rules were in place and it was a legendary referee involved. The ref warns Frazier for hitting Ali with a low blow at one point, but it's in the balls (that is a true "low blow"). The rest of the round - and in fact the entire fight - Frazier belts Ali directly on the symbol of his shorts which is hiding his navel. It is the EXACT same shot as we see here and Frazier does it multiple times. Ali takes it and the ref says nothing. Because it is a common shot in boxing.

[@ClaimerUncut]

Haha I've seen it recently actually, planning on doing an Ali mini doc. To be honest I was thinking of many comparisons, especially those in MMA where fighters are hurt by a groin shot, but they brush it off to maintain their adrenaline and focus on the fight. "Hit my nuts" were Usyk's words multiple times. He didn't state his cup was grazed, he stood by "nuts". Watch his fight with AJ, he played the same tactics, and I get it.. there's money on the line, plus survival at all costs. It's those who don't know the man, and will dismiss truth to protect him for THEIR OWN sense of glory, whilst in turn negatively affecting the likes of Dubois. "Detest" isn't a strong enough word for how I feel about these people. They have no empathy for what Dubois had to endure throughout that fight.

[@soleknight3212]

@@ClaimerUncut I agree with you. Feel very sorry for Daniel. Calling him a quitter is disgusting. He's just a kid and would have been affected by the fact he had already won the fight with that KO, and had to wait 5 minutes, the be told by the ref he'd done wrong (he had not) and fight a second fight. That's why he faded in the end in my opinion. Also, he was up at the count of 8 but the ref waved it off.

[@Gl0ry178]

@@soleknight3212 His latest video is even better than this 😆

[@wtwhizz]

What a bunch of wasted arguing over a moot point. The ref rules it a low blow. It doesn't matter if it was one or not. And to even the most die-hard "IT WAS LEGAL!" folks, they have to admit it was questionable. Especially in the moment. Not a bit of that man's glove touched skin and Usyk's trunks weren't comically high a la David Haye. Once the punch is ruled a low-blow, that's it. Usyk gets his time. Fight continues on. And, of course, we all know how that went. Usyk cooked ol' Daniel Dubious every round and made him take a knee and quit on a stiff jab. If we want to talk about someone being robbed, how about Dubois' previous opponent, Larena? Dubios went down THREE times in the 1st round. Should have been a TKO. Instead, they rang the bell 10 seconds early. Then, in the 3rd round, Dubois hits Larena multiple times after the bell and the ref waves the fight off. The fix was in, FOR SURE. Yet, you won't hear a peep out of British fans about that travesty.

[@ClaimerUncut]

You can't read optics mate, it's that simple. A wall of pointless text, because you can't visually judge the core issue. The shorts were high, relative to his Navel position which my photos clarify is roughly 3 inches below his elbow points. bending forward causes shorts to be higher. The punch trajectory was travelling upwards, no? It was a bad call according to Shawn Porter, Dominic Ingle, a professional american Ref who's name I've forgotten, and Johnny Nelson.. Carl Froch on the other hand thinks it was illegal because the shadow in the replay on the edge of the shorts he thinks was a belly button derpety derp. Out of the bunch.. Who would you consider the critical thinkers? Anyway don't want to waste your time with a moot point.

[@pauleeley867]

Was a low blow and it was 🕓 3.40 very close but was low

[@guyjones3665]

Point of elbow is always level with your naval.. glove is lower than point of elbow on impact.. go figure.. (its low)

[@ClaimerUncut]

Go view a picture of Usyk with no shirt on, then come back to me 👍

[@chucknchar]

Them Brits stick together.

[@ClaimerUncut]

What about Ukranians? Did you even see the last part of my video regarding lomachenko?

[@gavinhyman5954]

The debate is ridiculous it was a low blow. Run it back and dubois gets splattered

[@ClaimerUncut]

What you're saying is.. the video highlighting why it's legal frame by frame is ridiculous, followerd up by arguing a strawman?

[@user-lg3rw1ct2j]

But let's then take this fact, even if the ref had called it a knock down, usyke still would have gotten up.

[@ClaimerUncut]

That's a separate argument though, and is debatable if he was genuinely hurt, yet non debatable if he was faking it. Which leads me to the premise of the video. Was it a legal blow, and did Usyk fake being hit in the cup?

[@BabyUn0]

Its still debatable. Ive seen other analysis thats are credible. But whats MORE important At the end of the day DDD should have kept on going to the body which he BUT wasn't good enough and quit. Usyk is a true champion 🏆

[@woodybenjam]

I know one thing for sure, the punch was no where near his junk.

[@ClaimerUncut]

Usyks own words "hit my balls" 🤷‍♂️ he's either completely lying or it did hit his cup

[@denalmazov8278]

@@ClaimerUncut "hit my balls" could be also referred to earlier low blows. Before round 5 there were 4 low blows and one of them seems to hit his nuts but the impact was not so big because Usyk was stepping back at that moment. . For the sake of content, you could analyze these moments as well

[@denalmazov8278]

​@@ClaimerUncut if you mean the words at the press conference

[@simonpayne54]

Dubois did land a few low blows throughout the contest and they were blatantly obvious that they were low blows as angled downwards etc, but the punch he landed in the 5th was not a low blow imo. Dubois hopefully will get the rematch as he was the real winner imo.

[@JBXXR]

if you pause the video at 1:45 you can see that Usyks naval is perfectly inline with the waist band of his shorts. which means that the punch had to have connected low. also to mention a low blow is anywhere below the naval incase you're not familiar with boxing rules.

[@ClaimerUncut]

Does the punch connect at 1:45

[@watz6962]

Usyk anyway would have won, as Daniel D was not capable of finnishing Usyk anyway....even when Referee would have startet counting.

[@deneticzmindsetuplifting]

I would ask everyone to look at other fights past and present if this a low blow, there were so many of these exact same shots and they are deemed legal and counted as knockdowns. (Don’t take my word for it, I don’t have a horse in the game) I put this to home advantage period!..and ensuring he does not loose, that was lower abdominal belt line shot that took the wind out of him, and he was gasping for air, I have had quiet a few of those, I have responded the same to them all, a low blow makes you grimison, but you can stand and shake it off because of the cup, all Usyk fans will say different of course, but we now live in a world where no one can even admit or know what a woman is, so am not surprised we can’t call it a belt line punch from many many previous same knockdowns, instead we have to debate and analysis it wasn’t a belt line punch but just a low blow, logic has gone out the window and feelings are involved in everything now🤣🤣🤦 just utter craziness!!

[@vlad1889]

Ok, you showed a low blow just slowed down and added some lines. Got it 😅

[@ClaimerUncut]

Surface level mind

[@child_of_Orion]

We also take into consideration: 1. Usyk complains from low blows every 4-5 fights, that by itself is a record 2. Pabon saw no rule breaks in Wlad vs. Povetkin Your work analyzing the situation is very good, surpasses the opinion of some experts. And it's with high quality image. To me, this was a legal shot. Usyk is indeed the superior boxer, but Dubois proved again that the puncher always has a chance.

[@ClaimerUncut]

Thanks COO, a thinking man ✊ And great call on the Povetkin fight. Consider as well pavon reffed AJ vs Usyk 2, and I've watched the strike in numerous angles it was legal. The ref once again coddles Usyk, ensuring he takes all the time he needs despite Usyk requesting to fight. 🤷‍♂️

[@child_of_Orion]

@@ClaimerUncut we've never seen a fighter saying "I am ready", but the referee pushing him to take more time - this is a rulebreak in a way, as the referee should allow the fighter to continue when/if he declares he's ready. And on top of that, we've a record breaker for low blows complaints - Usyk: he did it like in 20% of his fights and was every time he was hurt to his glass body.

[@Silius-yz6kw]

1. Because he is constantly hit low in nearly every fight. Just because it happens frequently doesn't mean it isn't true. Teachers get annoyed when children complain constantly about being teased or harassed, doesn't mean they don't have a valid point. There are videos showing Dubois hitting Usyk low over 20 times in this fight. 2. Irrealivent to this fight. Pabon could have easily taken a point from AJ in fight 2 for hitting Usyk with a bad low blow in round 5 and another flagrant low blow in round 10 after the chin shot and never once warned AJ for hammer fisting him. It wasn't. You can see the tip of Usyk's navel from the other angle. And from this angle, you can see Dubois fist in 1:26 move Usyk's trunks, clearly low from the initial impact.

[@ClaimerUncut]

@@Silius-yz6kw as I told another person yesterday who defends Usyk based on the viewpoint I analysed here which has skewed optics. Watch the last video I made on the topic, which shows a new view and let me know your thoughts. The last person didn't respond again..

[@child_of_Orion]

@@Silius-yz6kw 1. Never in the history there was a boxert hat "is constantly hit low in nearly every fight" 2. Pretty relevant to point out a known corrupt referee You have no idea what a hammer fist is, dear! So lame excuse - typical for a Usyk fan. Usyk got KOed once again by a legit bodyshot. And cheated, as usual. That is what I can see and you can't see.

[@davidm6142]

How is usyks whole body and beltline moving upward but his belly button isn't and when the punch is impacting in your line drawing 🤡

[@ClaimerUncut]

Why am I a clown exactly? Watch my latest video and you'll get the answer to your surface level thoughts.

[@ohgodyeahgamer2987]

Andre boxing just did a rebuttal video to this exposing why its wrong. Titled glass body?

[@ClaimerUncut]

Yup.. read his comment section 🫡 Also.. watch my latest video

[@ohgodyeahgamer2987]

@@ClaimerUncut yeah seen it chris video was put up after yours. So its a rebuttal to that video.

[@ClaimerUncut]

Nah its refuting my video from 2 days ago, and in his comments I pointed out respectfully that he actually validated it was a legal strike even from my flawed positioning of the naval. If you watch my latest video from yesterday, you'll see its irrefutable. The punch was legal.

[@ohgodyeahgamer2987]

@@ClaimerUncut his video was 3 hours ago, also hatman boxing made an in depth video saying its an illegal punch. Either way, if its causing this much controversy the ref done the right thing. How often we've had controversy in boxing and nothings done.

[@ClaimerUncut]

@@ohgodyeahgamer2987 his video is 3 hours ago refuting my vid from 2 days ago. I watched it, he's not talking about my latest video. I've said.. Feel free to read the comment I left him, if you want to establish who has the stronger argument. Ive watched hatman's video also, and to be frank it's a surface level take.

[@klambo5558]

Not convinced that what you claim is the "shadow" is a shadow at all, but let's say it is a shadow, then it could equally be a shadow of Usyk's right glove,. Regardless, of which still frame depicts the actual impact, most of the glove hits BELOW the navel belt line, and as far as I'm aware refs base their decisions of where the GLOVE lands, not where the fist inside the glove is ! Bottom line, good try but your "Frame by Frame" analysis seems deeply flawed!

[@Steven-ze2zk]

Here are my thoughts. Whether the blow was low or not is not really the issue. The referees' decision is final and that's all there is to it. He said it was low. Thus, it was low. The issue here is Dubois and his team acting like a load of cry baby fools. It's cringe and embarrassing. If Dubois was a professional he would have said things like, "I thought the shot was good but I won't argue with the referee. His decision is final. If he says it was a low blow I will have to accept it. If the ref starts counting anyway I'm sure Usyk gets up and we carry on so I'm not saying the fight is over at that point. I can't take anything away from Usyk. He won here tonight and he showed why he's the champion. I'll keep going and hopefully we can come again and get the result we want." But he didn't say that. He started acting like a child saying, "I got robbed here tonight. I hit him with a good shot and I should be the champion." His dumbo trainer Don Charles sounds even worse. He was saying things like, "Usyk is supposed to be a man of God and yet he cheats. What God does Usyk believe in? He does not believe in the same God that I believe in. He's no better than a drugs cheat. I'm gonna lose my job now because of that cheating man. Usyk pretended he got hit low and cried to the referee and the referee believed Usyk. And if anyone says to me that Dubois quit I will punch you in your mouth and we'll see if you quit. I'll probably get arrested by the police." LMAO! Usyk did not complain to anyone. He got hit, went down and the referee immediately ruled it a low blow. There was no count or anything. The decision to appeal is stupid. What does Warren want anyway? A rematch? OK, fine. Sounds good. Or does he want Dubois crowned heavyweight king in court rather than the ring? If that happens I will never ever watch another boxing match again in my entire life.

[@ClaimerUncut]

Your last sentence gave me a good chuckle, however just because a ref makes a decision, doesn't mean we all bend over to it. Would you apply the same logic to Government or law enforcers in the UK? I would say they were justified in their emotions, but you can't empathize because in your words "the blow low or not is not really the issue. " Why would they be calm and collected when the shot which landed had Usyk on his butt for over 3 minutes? That's the difference between considering retiring and becoming a champ, gaining all the rewards that come with it. Anyway I always appreciate those who leave a lengthy comment, so much appreciated Jack and God Bless

[@Steven-ze2zk]

@@ClaimerUncut "Why would they be calm and collected when the shot which landed had Usyk on his butt for over 3 minutes?" That's what I meant about Dubois and his team being professional. The shot was not given. OK, so let's carry on and do what we need to do. In other words, let's be professional about things. They're making British boxing look bad. Look at what the king of boxing Tyson Fury did when was actually robbed in his first fight against Wilder. The entire world knew who on that fight and yet Fury ended the issue before he even left the boxing ring. One is a professional champion and the other is not. Can you guess which is which?

[@woodyharrelson2624]

Some people cry about some types of things instead of making themselves better is all I’ll say

[@JamVamDam]

Some people are mouth breathers

[@murraysands1468]

Dubois lost, end of story.

[@ClaimerUncut]

Good point, I best delete this video now