Frame Trap - Episode 20 "The Dragon Rises"

[@ShowlidSnake]

Ben is the best host among all the hosts from other shows.

[@iliketuna9326]

I agree. I like everybody, but I think Ben is the most well-rounded, insightful and level headed person out of all them.

[@SleepyDroid]

yeah wouldn't be frame trap without Ben.

[@runfwd]

I actually think that Kyle is a way better host, but to each their own.

[@SleepyDroid]

Yes but Kyle can still be the host for their podcast.

[@proxyone890]

cmon give some credit to Kyle too

[@SeaToSkyImages]

Just happened to refresh my YT page, and a THREE AND A HALF HOUR Frame Trap appears. Thank you so much!

[@babyskywalker5]

3 and a half hours??!! love and respect all around for you guys. More frame trap is always good!

[@cavco]

GREAT episode, thank you Ben for letting it run for that long, it was awesome!

[@jeffburanen]

OMG what a treat!!! thanks Ben!!!

[@danmann861]

I can't say I ever had a problem with Trico. I really didn't. I beat the 5 hour speed run with no problems. I still wonder what the hell am I doing differently to everyone else? Trico was fine for me. Can't say I had those problems. Game is certainly divisive, but I have to say, I absolutely loved it.

[@chocobo92]

I had an issue where he listened to me too well and would dive underwater before I could grab him lol

[@CanalCAPSLOCK]

Honestly? I think it's just patience. I didn't do the 5 hour thing, but i totally get what you are talking about. I had no issues with Trico either... to me it just ''clicked'' when i started playing it just had the feel of ''Oh... the game is asking me to pull back and slow down" so i just did that and it just.... flowed. But i can totally see someone not working with the speed the game asks of you, and getting frustrated with.

[@scorpioedc7979]

+Daniel Mann To me, the main issue of TLG is not about the AI response but the close up camera angle issue of blocking view which happens more frequently compared to other games although no game engine out there is able to self correct this issue automatically. The apparent frustration of certain players over the AI in TLG is mirroring the frustration of certain players over the difficulty in Souls games - the AI in TLG is broken because Trico is not responding to commands. Demon Souls or Dark Souls is too hard and player character gets killed by minions easily even before meeting an apparent unbeatable first boss. Anyway, there were players who got to know how to play TLG or the Souls games the fist time and players who didn't got it the fist time but got it later and players who would never get it. The overall design on a simple 2D side scrolling platformer in the indie game Inside is indeed creative but I am more amazed by the technical wonder in TLG which cannot be found in any other games and that is my term of "fun" in playing TLG. It is obvious that both TLG and Souls series are not designed for mass appreciation in mind. From a business point of view, this is bad. However, I am not a businessman but a consumer who happens to appreciate these rare gems. Anyway, business is a harsh reality about money. There are many Souls copycats out there not because they appreciate the Souls design but the gradual rise of the market share. Too bad, Team ICO is not as fortunate as FromSoftware.

[@lv7312]

Had no problems with Trico either, or any of the puzzles either, I felt solving them was really nice, never tedious

[@awsebierski]

I'm not even a patient person and I still didn't feel frustrated, even when I ran into problems.

[@moses3167]

God, what have we done to deserve something as beautiful as a 3 hour long Frame Trap?

[@tomsawyer5069]

Ian seems less in his own head this episode, really nice to see and really fun to get such a long episode after you guys took the break. Thank you all for the persistently good energy while discussing one of my favorite hobbies, love and respec

[@lazylime8046]

My phone autoplayed this at ~3am-4am when I was writhing in pain from the Covid booster, and honestly this is the best podcast I've ever listened to. Y'all had a way of making every little thing interesting and making me want to know more, despite my condition at the time :)

[@Tryforlive.]

my throat hurts *does 3 hour podcast* Ben is the best

[@sihtinen]

2017 is off to an insane start with Yakuza 0, Gravity Rush 2, RE7, KH2.8, Nioh and Nier. Then Persona 5... I can't even... Japan is on fire these days and I couldn't be happier!

[@BasedGAWDnigguh]

EZA! You guys freaking made my night/work day! Thank you! Love&Respect!

[@HumanCapybara]

YAY first Frame Trap of the year with my three favourite Allies

[@DaRkLoRd-rc5yu]

juicy podcast.. this one is gonna give me a few days of listening. love it. so much content.

[@lmitchell4023]

Excellent episode of frame trap gentlemen. Love the banter..... great perspectives.

[@WhileTruePlay]

I'm relatively new to this channel, but I've loved your work from back in the GT days. This particular podcast has grown quickly into one of my favorites to listen to. I smile whenever I see its upload ping on my phone. It's just a bunch of dudes, hanging out, talking about their gaming experiences. It sends me back into the days when I could see my friends regularly and we'd hang in their parents' basement talking about gaming experiences. Thank you for the consistently stimulating conversation and shots of nostalgia.

[@DesolateHero]

Thank you for timestamps! Not that I dislike certain people's opinions, more that I don't want some things spoiled or there are certain games I'm not really interested in. Also, love how animated Huber gets! Makes me appreciate watching the video of this rather than just audio. Keep up the great work!

[@booberrydelight]

The longer the better, gives me something to keep me amused at work and I thank RNGesus you guys are constantly fun to listen to/watch.

[@NamekianPOSTBOY]

This frame trap is a feast. Can't wait to dive in!

[@Thuriazs]

I greatly appreciate that you discussed TLG from another perspective in such a reasonable manner. What a goddamn beast of a podcast, Ben. Even more so than usual.

[@FreeDoM_nl]

I wanted to watch this when It game out on jan 9th. Then I saw it was 3,5 hours. I had to do this the right way. Waited for a free day. Prepared my meal and drinks AND SETTLED IN! Loved every second of it. Thank you Allies!

[@kirkmanklub174]

I don't know if people know this, but In The Last Guardian the boy can give Trico more than one command. R1 + x = Jump, R1 + Square = Attack, R1+ Circle = Go that way, R1+ Triangle = Directions / Come Here / get in hind legs. Hope this helps folks.

[@azsugar8361]

This! The game tells you that Trico starts to mimic you behavior. So holdin R1 each button mimics your behavior. For example R1 and O Trico will interact with things similar to you when just pressing O

[@alef321]

that part of the game was genius and truly eventful for me.

[@DearFreja]

I can see the game being frustrating if you entirely skipped this mechanic. Once you figure out that you can command Trico however you want, it becomes so much easier and he listens very well.

[@Happinesstwin]

I knew this and the silly animal still ignored me for hours. I hated the dumb bird after the first few hours. I'm really glad that other people enjoyed it, but I hate it and will never play it again... Fully agree with Huber and Ian here.

[@734ch3r]

With this rhythm, soon enough Frame Trap will be 10 hours long :D Keep it up, guys!

[@tanner4598]

Love and Respect levels reaching maximum capacity.

[@davidamaro1663]

Amazing show as always! You guys are so refreshingly genuine and it makes listening to you such a pleasure. Keep up the great work!

[@ledvogs7799]

I think Ian's reason for not liking the game is pretty much tied to how he approaches games. If you don't want them to "waste your time" then you shouldn't play a pet sim. Because your dog/cat irl does not care what kind of time table you're on. If you try to hurry up through the game, you're just gonna get frustrated.

[@jadenepia5960]

Led Vogs it simply wasn't edgy enough for him

[@KingKien95]

Led Vogs he knows that. he mentioned it.

[@thomasparkes6711]

grind dat axe

[@jofersgames]

oh wow, 3 and a half hour podcast, what a treat :D

[@brysonhendrix4735]

my goodness. the passion for yakuza is overwhelming from you two. I'll definitely try the series out when I can

[@jipostus]

You guys just brightened my day with this Podcast... Had a crappy weekend (Car broke) and first two schooldays of this year, and this... This made me smile. Much Love and Respect for you.

[@Darkholow]

I really want more extended editions of Frame Trap! :D

[@ShowlidSnake]

I'm so glad Huber played Inside, such a masterpiece. I can't believe he didn't play it before.

[@caedus1985]

You guys are bloody legends! thank you for the great Podcast! L&R! 👍👍

[@ruiassuncao6194]

loved the extended edition!!

[@wingatakus7596]

cant wait till the 5 hour episode !

[@KlerikofKaos]

This long episode helped a lot. Heard it from beginning to end grinding my B-Team in Persona 4. Unfortunately, my grind isn't over after 3.5 hours. BACK TO IT!

[@KenjiKussano]

I LOVE YOU!!! Yakuza deserves all the love and respect

[@sufferlikeGdid]

wow...this whole time I also thought I was going crazy for not enjoying The Last Guardian...Ian and Huber's thoughts on the game gave me such a huge feeling of relief!

[@tee_es_bee]

Love the longer episode. Thank you for a wonderful show: the main reason I am a patron. :)

[@kephalai]

what a wonderful thing to see a 3 hour frame trap! I love it!

[@kephalai]

inside spoilercast needs to happen! I'm so frustrated that you guys have to dance around details all the time haha

[@sven2win498]

1:20 I legitimately can not imagine Kyle sitting down and playing Battleborn, especially after the running joke i can only assume was his own in "Dear Bosman".

[@tmoczygemba]

Thank you for being you, Ian. Seriously.

[@MrXmoda]

I love the scapegoat " oh its an animal thats why it behaves badly" no its just badly designed

[@Stormcrownn]

Not having a preview feel like an ad is a lot easier when your audience knows the personalities behind it.

[@HumanCapybara]

I love you all so much guys :) sad this episode is over.

[@andyclouser5139]

I had to watch the EZA Game of the Year award to feel okay again after watching this episode

[@yellowcardx08]

I love the story of Drakengard 3. Such an amazing ride.

[@tomsawyer5069]

I didn't have the frustrations huber or Ian had. You have to not spam, you have to understand the commands, you have to take your time...I mean the game is possible to beat in under 5 hours without much trouble if you know how to do things, normally I'd just accept people having their own taste but I really do feel like with the last gaurdian some people just are not playing it right yes some animals learn things, but you just met this animal, and I really appreciated the speed of growth between the boy and trico. It was totally believable, and I definitely felt like I was rewarded for reading his body language, using the right commands, etc. I personally felt like I was very in tune with Uedas vision. Had very rare issues with Trico's AI and loved that Ueda didn't back down on his vision. As a true animal lover the amount of work that went into his animations, the development of that relationship; I even thought reading trico was an interesting layer on top of the sometimes pretty interesting and very well contextualized puzzles. I agree with Ben that at a few points there was almost intentional frustration baked in, even though I accepted the game for what it was and only had frustrations one or two times. Even little things like being able to pet blood stains off of trico was neat, I thought the story was amazing, I liked the sense of weight in the movement.....The only real problem I actually saw as a problem was the Camera of the game, which I got used to and it became a non-issue pretty quickly. A big part of the game for me, and a big part of the fun, was learning how to play without it being lined out. Realizing that you cant spam, and you cant just wait like Ian tried to do. You can figure out what the varieties of commands mean if you play around with them, etc....but I do think a lot of peoples frustrations come from literally not knowing how to play, which is a shame. I always love hearing his opinions on games, and it's always good to hear his love for games that he enjoys....big shame he didn't get it. I think they are missing what people find so great about the game too. It's scale, it's world, it's feel, everything but the camera was so good down to almost the smallest of details. Maybe it is just a patience thing, but most of its design seemed fully intentional to me and personally am glad and was amazed even while playing it and loving it that such a game was allowed to exist. one of my favorite games of all time; I dont see that changing with time.

[@fmaguy]

I enjoy skipping through this episode and seeing how much the sunlight changes from beginning to end :D

[@RandyVie86]

Ohw Ben; you just mentioning the ending of Brotherhood got me in tears again.... so amazing.

[@DoomDuo]

Just finished the podcast. Its 3:30 am I'm going to bed. Love the show.

[@skytrot]

Ueda has said that Trico is indeed intended to behave like an animal. He has given interviews on that.

[@ghostofthevalley7853]

when you get here so fast its still only 360p. feelsgoodman

[@tenguusoldier]

gotta love Jones, his comment about him checking if tabletop is still being filmed was heartwarming as fuck

[@kaizoaudio1798]

I'm 100% in agreement with Huber and Ian about The Last Guardian. I wanted to like it, but the frustration got to me so much that even when things were positive, the bad things were just too overwhelming.

[@Sage_Of_Thyme_]

Ian, I love you, so of corse I'm going to tell you that it's completely fine for you not to like The Last Guardian. The game just wasn't for you, I get it. But I would encourage you to reflect on these feelings of guilt that you have for not liking the game. If you're aware that you're feeling bad for not liking the game, I would ask you to consider that maybe its a sign that you could learn to be more patient, more empathetic, and more considerate as a person. For me personally, the game changed me- and in a lot of ways reaffirmed me as a person. It was a test of my patients to cooperate with another stranger; a test of my ability to empathize and get into the mind of someone completely different from me; most importantly it challenged me to care for another being other than myself, to take the time to learn how to communicate with them and to find satisfaction in the little moments where we were able to work together as one and care for one another. I think one of the most important the lessons TLG strived to impart on its players is the ability to CARE; something not enough of us do.

[@VuTran-rb2pu]

The Last Guardian to me was simply a game about friendship. The game asks you to willingly be Trico's friend and to help him help you escape the valley.That is it. If you truly accepted the role of being Trico's friend, then you were rewarded with a turbulent yet an unforgettable adventure. By the end of the game, I found myself trembling at the thought of having to say good bye to Trico. I had gone through so much with him, experience the worse and best of aspects of my character at the mercy of both of our lives hanging on the line, and when the time came to it, I was willing to do anything to protect him- as he had done to protect me. At the end of it all, the moments of frustration I had with him seemed to melt away, and the only things that I could recall were the happy moments where we cared for each other. All of the janky camera movements and finicky control problems I had seemed so trivial and pointless to think about when Trico had just risked his life to safe my own. That, was what I loved about The Last Guardian. And that is something I will always be grateful to Ueda and his team for. For a brief moment in time, I truly believed I had a friend.

[@Sage_Of_Thyme_]

YES. It's hard for me to relate with anyone who doesn't feel that way when playing TLG. I will always choose to remember it fondly.

[@ooslingg]

I mean Last Guardian feels is like a Ghibli film, and I loved every second of it. 5/5

[@TheMarq16]

this literally got me through most of my work day.

[@toasteddanish4883]

Three and a half hours? You guys are too good to me.

[@lugubriousmoron8996]

The most wholesome episode of Frame Trap ever? I think so.

[@phantomofvanitas]

The Kingdom Hearts and Drakengard/Nier games are my favorite videogame series. I've 100%ed Drakengard 1, 2, 3, and Nier a couple times each (which is not the easiest thing to do...not that it's super hard, but maybe tedious. Also saying not to brag, but to state validity on my opinion). Immediately after I completed Drakengard 3, I went out and got a Drakengard tattoo. People used to pay me to log into their account and beat the last boss of Drakengard 3 for them. LOVE the series. I'm very happy Ben is going through the Drakengard games. He hit the nail on the head with Drakengard 3. The most important thing to me in games is story and the story through character interactions. It's interesting how all these games weave into one another. I highly recommend the Drakengard/Nier series to everyone. The world and lore are so magnificent. And holy moly the music is perfect. Order of release: Drakengard > Drakengard 2 > Nier > Drakengard 3 > Nier Automata PLAY THEM!

[@J_Themborn]

What I love about the world of Yakuza is how much you interact with the world through NPC interactions as they introduce new mechanics and side quests have a different stories unlike most open world games where you just do the same mission in a different district, like one being your taking two 5 scooped ice cream cones to a family while dodging a crowded street, if you drop the ice cream you can give up or buy two new scoops which actually changed a bit of dialogue at the end of it and you never do that again in Yakuza 3 or any future game. I also love that the city gets more and more fleshed out as well each game giving you something new to do in the city Like singing, dancing, fighting, sane taxi, winter cabela, erotic ping pong, dating sim, Disco dancing, restaurants, pool, arcade games. Kamurocho has a sense of familiarity to the point of when I saw the karaoke joint was relocated or that a new one was built in Yakuza 6 that felt weird to me and I asked "what happened to the old karaoke place?" So if something changes it carries more weight than a third act in other open worlds where the sky is red and there's a riot or whatever cause the city is an important part of the series.

[@CresseyC]

Jones had mentioned that you couldn't change the time of day in Google Earth VR, I think you can do it by grabbing the sun with the pointer and physically moving it below the horizon.

[@karerusloth]

Haha Huber drinking beer through the podcast. love it :D

[@drewcossa]

That cork opening sound effect that Brandon made was pristine

[@davidbalfour7217]

What a great Frame Trap!

[@manueldiaz2686]

Hey guys, thank you for speaking clearly about the last guardian. Please always give your honest opinion, the previous episode was disappointing, nobody said anything negative about the game. I loved when you were speaking about FFXV because you said the things that you like and dislike about it.

[@samuelcardwell577]

I kinda want a stream of Huber's family Christmas. I imagine his paternal relatives are just like him. "MICHAEL! I... HAVE BET... ON... MIAAAAMI"

[@AlexJames840]

I can't express how full I am right now :)

[@CrummyCurmudgeon]

Does Ian like anything besides souls and puzzle games?

[@jadenepia5960]

Anubhav Patnaik edge and nail Polish

[@iliketuna9326]

I remember him being positive about Undertale, Dear Esther, Gone Home and Proteus., which isn't really surprising considering how hipster/indie he tries to appear to be. I know he hated the ending of No Man's Sky and warned people about it, but I also remember him at one point saying something like it couldn't be criticized like other games because it was "an art game" which is one of the most asinine things I have ever heard. I think his opinions on games were forever lost to me once he said that. I actually do like the guy because I think he is occasionally funny, and he is like me in some ways when it comes to music movies and art, but based on his list of likes/dislikes, I think his taste in games is pure shit and nonsensical. Worst of all on show

[@iliketuna9326]

reading my last reply it seemed kind of harsh on Ian. As I said I do actually like the guy and enjoy him on the show, but to me it seems like he's extra favorable and forgiving/praising towards a lot games just for the fact that they are indie or try to be" an art game" (which for mysterious reason applies to No Man's Sky for him) compared to other more bigger budget big name games ( besides souls games).

[@gregcadman6559]

Anubhav Patnaik he likes the Uncharted 4 epilogue. Not sure if he's ever mentioned that.

[@DearFreja]

Diablo 3. One of the most bland, uninspired, tedious games to release in the past decade. :/

[@Frumlock]

Hahaha! I feel Jone's comment about explaining your job to people. You actually take the time to explain, and they just remember one sentence you said... Stupid humans... The moment in West World when Will pull's the picture out of his pocket... My mind imploded and i realized what was going on... Love it when sci-fi / mystery does stuff like that... L&R ✌

[@Xristophero]

"That was DUMB how you just died." - Brandon Classic.

[@TinyPrinceGames]

I was in Disney at the same time as Ian! The Star Wars fireworks were really awesome, they have so many shows going on there during the holidays.

[@Chadouille]

Easy Allies podcast + Frame Trap = OP

[@MonsterMJ]

Amazing Frame Trap episode long but good

[@PedroNarra]

Just finished the Last Guardian on the normal PS4. Loved it. I feel that the trust not only develops from Trico to you, but also from you to Trico. With time, I felt more confident in the commands that I gave to Trico, and Trico did things faster every time. Loved how he complains when he thinks that I was giving silly orders, or things that he does not feel confortable doing it. Such a scared creature he is. And yes, the framerate suffers a little on open areas, but nothing unplayable. Regarding the controls, that camera, god aweful, I don't understand why they have such a big deadzone in the analog sticks. All in all, for me, Game of the Year!

[@stefanotrida]

Huber don't liking The Last Guardian is frustating to me. 100% understandable, but frustating. You know when you hear that perfect song that move you in everyway and then you show it to your best friend, who usually have the same taste as you, and he doesn't feel it? :/ It's like that...

[@marcogorgargames]

I feel the same

[@ovoon7]

It's everything I should've been into as well but I hated it.

[@ROUGEBLOCK]

Stefano Trida you will move past bruh

[@turanx0]

Stefano Trida I had that with Hunter x Hunter. I fucking loved it, showed it to a good friend and he was like "It's okay I guess" and that was really frustrating. And no, I couldn't understand his opinion either. I was like "wow, when did your taste in anime go to shit?" Lol.

[@magnoliabc9927]

I've already watched all of it

[@pathannage5231]

I was going to wait and pick up yakuza later on in the year once it was a bit cheaper, since my back log is already so huge... but after watching this frame trap, yakuza pre ordered!! I love huber and Ben together. They are an unstoppable force of pure hype and jollyness L&R

[@sebastianmarley446]

Ben's sick voice sounds like Piglet from Winnie the Pooh and it's completely endearing

[@dotapark]

I have a little suggestion. How about reveal forbidden word for listeners before podcast start?

[@chrissesock4245]

That's a great idea. Have people paying really close attention, waiting for it to pop up. Could be really fun.

[@CoNfUzLeDaNdLoSt]

Pretty sure Ben just comes up with the word on the spot when he hears something out of the ordinary towards the middle of the podcast lol

[@Sage_Of_Thyme_]

Yeah, I figured this out on the last episode when Blood said "Cainhurst".

[@ceracen]

Because there is no actual forbidden word.

[@VannTheDawn]

Ben, when's the Anime Podcast gonna start? :)

[@VannTheDawn]

I am already on the edge of my seat. Hope you guys cover some of the niche stuff. :)

[@ethan_wethan]

yuri on ice pls

[@KurtNiisan]

Any plans to go into the brilliance that is Evangelion? :)

[@williamzou8833]

The Gattsuuuu(Guts) is coming!!!!!

[@Darkholow]

VERY excited. :D

[@maoaadriao]

i get the feeling by the way Huber and Ben talk about yakuza, i think they would like the anime Gintama

[@Slipkj0nh]

Watched every second. Great podcast guys L & R

[@Vimak71]

About Google Earth VR, youcan change the time ofday, you just grab the SKY AND DRAG IT LIKE YOU ARE GOD. Just saying, its amazing.

[@bluey1328]

Perfect

[@07886336]

Yakuza 0 WOOOO!!!!! Hell Yeah!!!!!

[@lystic9392]

Poor Ben :( Please let him take a full rest next time. He is not disposable. :)

[@jorgenbjorn]

Brandon, you can actually change the time of day (or night) in Google Earth VR by pointing at the sun and then drag it across the sky. It's very cool and surreal. Love and respect. Thomas from Denmark

[@HKobeni]

Poor Ben ;-; powering through this Episode!

[@kenshokram]

What an amazing episode. Ben, knowing that you have the same problem I do fills me with determination. I just bought Tekken Tag Tournament 2 and Zero Time Dilemma and probably won't play them in months. Also I'm broke, send food.

[@Rittermark]

---- Punished Ben ---- -- A Man Who Lost His Voice --

[@uscssnostromo7431]

Happy to hear Walking Dead 3 isn't too dependent on importing saves since Season 2 ate my save once I beat it.

[@gwalker9492]

Best podcast in the biz!

[@Aoshi312]

How Huber and Ian described Last Guardian is how I felt playing Skyward Sword. That games controls infuriated me to the point that I never finished it.

[@azsugar8361]

The thing I absolutely love about Easy Allies is that even when they disagree or don't like the same stuff they are capable of understanding other people's opinion. What i hate is when people want the things they don't like to not exist at all even though they know so many other people love it. I seriously love and respect Easy Allies so much

[@NinjaJamez]

A long one... YYYEEEES!!

[@ksolveig7263]

Even though Disneyland is smaller, what's interesting is that it has a larger number of attractions than Disneyworld. They're all just shoved in a smaller space! I didn't know that until recently.

[@fastmovingvolcanomatter]

"I feel like this creature could simply eat the barrel." - Huber, 2017

[@miendude]

Some people on the internet seem to misconstrue Ian's attitude towards particular games as HATE, but it isn't... It seems to me like he just doesn't want to waste time on things that are, or at below the level of mediocrity. And the result is a person that only praises things he really loves and is passionate about. In the end, is that really THAT terrible? I don't think so. Love and Respect.

[@brianclarkson5300]

3 and a half hour Frame Trap :D