FRANCE IS TOO GOOD FOR WAR THUNDER - Lorraine 40t in War Thunder

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The Lorraine 40t in War Thunder is a French Medium Tank that is absolutely amazing! The problem is, it's a victim of its own success. It's so good it's now being moved up to 8.0 with the next minor update making it very inaccessible to your average player.
The Lorraine 40t has a 100mm cannon that fires solid shot with a 4 second reload. While this sounds really good on paper, it only has an 8 round drum so once all of those rounds are spent, it can take a long time to replenish them all. Around 2 minutes to replace the entire thing or 30 seconds from empty to being able to fire another shot. It's pretty awful in that regard.
It's sad to see that yet again great players have made the game less accessible to average players or casuals. But this is how these things go! :)
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[@Theonewhosready]

Day 10 of asking to play a Tiger 1 in top tier till 5 kills

[@Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933]

Any possible re-visit video on the Chi-Nu or the Chi-Nu II in the future?

[@dylan_jae17]

I noticed you don't have a video on the Charioteer 👀👀 And I've seen these tanks in upteirs and correct they are usually at the top of the leaderboard but are easy to deal with

[@ob1kenobi748]

Odd, is there any way we can stop gayjin from making these stupid changes

[@btgbullseye]

Day 3 of asking for an XM-803 video.

[@TheLastRussianYT]

I hate that my FAVOURITE 7.7 lineup is being absolutely killed off. Such a sad day.

[@eliveltonss4041]

They are balancing the game...... Note fair

[@Kettleman1.0]

Facorate was the amx13 dca 40 very good at 4.3 5.0 seems a bit high but still stuff you can pen

[@Mohenjo_Daro_]

I play mostly Japan and France, and this is just par for the course lol, they have to make one of the minor nations suffer each patch

[@manueldelbusto725]

@@Kettleman1.0it was op as hell at 4.3

[@codyingram801]

you hate that you can’t use the same op tanks

[@weiwu1442]

Gaijin: lets move up all the 1960s MBTs so the old 1940s designs dont get roflstomped also Gaijin: moves up the 1940s designs so the problem resurfaces once again

[@Train115]

They also keep adding so many 1960s (or modern) SPGs, for some reason. They literally do not belong in the game at all lol. Oh and all those mf super light armored cars with HEATFS, all from the 60s or later.

[@BARelement]

The M-50 Ontos somehow is 7.0 still able to see tiger 1s 😂. Gaijin doing the math alright.

[@emib6599]

Nations like Italy 🇮🇹 (that I play) really needed strange alternatives tanks to fill up it's ranks.

[@duncanmcgee13]

@@BARelement6.7 has a long reload and paper armor

[@BARelement]

@@duncanmcgee13 Being able to fire 6 shots in under 5.0secs each is not “long reload”. If you miss 6 times with HEATFS in a downtier at 5.7 sounds like a you issue. You literally have guns on the sides of the hull bruh. Anyone who peaks you is DONE. Especially since most tanks hve mid mounted turrets with their weapons in the middle. You realize the Lorraine also has paper armor? The M-18 has “paper armor”. Leopard 1s arguably have “paper armor”. But that’s a feature, not a bug, not a drawback. Those vehicles are fast with purpose. The Ontos imo has enough advantages to go up to 7.7, and be a niche vehicle away from Tiger 1s, Is-2s, and Sherman’s thank you very much.

[@chocolat-kun8689]

Imagine fighting Mid cold war MBTs fully stablized with a dart round while still using Balistic Capped shells. Very funny Gaijin.

[@YukiKi7sune]

I still remember when the Char 25t was 6.7 BR, those were some fun times xD

[@vanpwar]

But without APHE and its 4s reload

[@YukiKi7sune]

@@vanpwar Well yeah, otherwise it yould have been even better xD

[@barronhelmutschnitzelnazi2188]

And the Lorraine was 6.3. That vehicle has been getting no love ever since...

[@SotGravarg]

I remember that too, I hated it when being germany only.

[@DecrepitSundew3]

[2 years later] Gaijin: "We've decided to move the Lorraine 40t to 15.0 due to demographics showing that 14.7 was too low."

[@Stalker_Monkee]

Frenchie Baguette be fighting starships 😭

[@amelialouma4762]

As a french player I am very sad. 7.7 was already pretty brutal for this tank especially when you know that it used to be 6.7 when introduced.

[@OhhhLucien]

Uh... 7.7 was already a BIG nerf (I leave every full uptier). 7.3 was the place.

[@amelialouma4762]

@@OhhhLucien Yeah, unfortunately gaijin isn't any good at balancing.

[@isaynotodrugs3330]

you mean African ?

[@barronhelmutschnitzelnazi2188]

It was 6.3 but it went to 6.7 pretty quickly after the Lorraine spam after release

[@fire_drake12.arc.24]

The US T54E1 is basically a worse Surbasse, all it has going for it is unreliable APDS and HEAT with an extremely inaccurate gun and its 8.0 Its already bad, The french have mobility and gun handling but not good pen and you dont even have a rangefinder...

[@emersonsteffler4149]

I do agree with the whole "good players raise the stats" argument as we've seen this happen with tanks like the jumbo 76 and others. However, I also think part of the reason (especially recently) is map design. This thing is perfectly suited to small urban maps where its mobility is amazing, gun in reliable and reload means you can engage multiple targets at once. Because we constantly see maps like Rhine, Japan, American Desert, etc. This thing excels while a tank like a tiger 2 or any other long range vehicle has less advantage. Overall they need to switch the philosophy from balancing based on stats to instead improving things like maps to make them more playable for all types of vehicles.

[@destroyerarmor2846]

French AMX tanks are the best for sharpening your Warthunder skills. Too bad for the nerf

[@gregsbiplays9899]

Still can't believe how the have massacred my jumbo

[@darthkarl99]

It's not even an argument, anyone who's played for long enough will remember the time, (pre ground), when gaijin flat out admitted this is how they analyse what to move in BR. Failure to account for the global win rate of a player when factoring in their effect on a specific vehicles has been a problem literally since before jets were added.

[@Paronak]

Most maps have a long range spawn with little cover and hills suitable for sniper tanks such as Tiger and IS tanks. Then there are spawns near buildings for more CQC. Your argument matters naught because everyone picks the spawn for CQC. The majority of casual players who dont interact with the community just want to press W and get into WoT-style battles in cities.

[@dariusweisz7440]

we need much more bigger maps... its so annoying to play cqc with high tier (8.0+ br) tanks... it could be nice to have big maps where you can hide and actually use your lrf.... but new maps, i hate that gaijin makes old maps just a bit bigger like big tunesia

[@lopeter6663]

m36 shell at 8.0 against t54's has to be the funniest joke of the year yet, and the fact that the turm3 is basically a better french tank with a stab just one bracket higher is just the cherry on the top

[@dariusweisz7440]

its german not french wtf its a leo chassis

[@reinyfrost3753]

@@dariusweisz7440 Turms does not have a leo chassis

[@reinyfrost3753]

It's M36's shell but at higher velocity, so it has 210mm of pen instead of the M36's 185mm. Turm 3 has stab, and 30mm autocannon, but has 5 second reload APDS / HEAT instead of 4 sec reload 210mm APHE / 270mm AP

[@lopeter6663]

@@dariusweisz7440 i meant that the turm3 has stayed 8.3 all this time despite being a really really strong and popular tank, and has the same characteristics and playstyle as the french tanks that gaijin apparently finds really problematic and insists on keep nerfing.

[@lopeter6663]

i know, i play them but thanks@@reinyfrost3753

[@bobfrancis123]

The French Tree is miserable for so so so long it weeds out a lot of players. That means you see a French player at 5.3 or higher and you get scared.

[@happy_waves9786]

I’m in no way an extremely good player, just above average and let me tell you. Playing France 5.3 with the m4(fl-10) and jumbo 75 is the second most disgusting thing I can do in the game. More often then not, I end up with 5+/0 KD.

[@Manchweld]

If I see any minor tech tree at that br or higher I get scared, the players able to withstand low tier Italy scare me

[@bobfrancis123]

@ryantrapp2189 As a casual player who mains Italy, I can say that unlike France, the Italian Tree is pure fun! Yes, there are a lot of tanks that are just garbage, but they are derpy enough to still be fun to play.

[@TheycallmeBigSauce]

@@bobfrancis123yes I like the Italian tech tree

[@NormandyFoxtrot]

I mean once you get above like 2.0 it's not *that* bad. The B1 and 2c are good fun and the low tier lorraine TD is surprisingly good.@@TheycallmeBigSauce

[@Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933]

Gaijin: *Sees that France's 7.7 BR bracket is well rounded.* Also Gaijin: "You get nerfed, you get nerfed, and you get nerfed. EVRYONE EXCEPT RUSSIA GETS NERFED!".

[@SaraHeartlin]

Everione: whe want more tanks, even Paper Tanks can do Gaijin: no you cant have more tanks Also Gaijin: l'est add anoter prototype to Russa! They need more!

[@Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933]

@@SaraHeartlin Because it's that, or Gaijin will be deemed as "Enemy of the State" by old Putin. Because in his Russia, all companies must be more patriotic to the Russian Federation (AKA, be Pro-Russia/Pro-Putin) or major consequences will come.

[@Rynnakkosampyla]

Let's downtier the bmp for a good measure

[@lapantony]

​@@Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933Please tell me either what parallel reality Russia you live in or what kind of crack you smoke. Gaijooble is just a bunch of incompetent schmucks, seeing some kind of conspiracy in it just plain stupid

[@neisvestno2444]

Schizophrenia moment.

[@flammerubis1041]

Remember that Gajin puts this tank from 1952 at the same BR as the K9 Thunder, that entered service in 1999 and have LRF and thermals

[@jasoncloherty]

I've been playing a lot of 7.7 France including the 40t and the amx-50 and it's been a ton of fun, but the first stage ammo replenishment speed is abysmal for no reason. 20 seconds for the loader to load one round is ridiculous.

[@barronhelmutschnitzelnazi2188]

And when you shoot, it resets as if the loader put the round back into the hull and pick it back up to insert into the clip😂

[@paperthik9262]

i used to love france 7.3/7.7 but with the br changes and sales everyone buys 8.7 prems like the T55AMD-1 and others and every time i play 7.7 france now i get 8.7 90% of the time and its just a awful experience, too bad thats where most of the fun mid tier tanks are :(

[@johnmosser6695]

Yeah, 7.7 all the way up to 11.7 needs to be spaced out again.

[@teppygray4314]

Couldn’t agree more. They do all of these br changes but refuse to even touch top tier. We need 12.7 for ground.

[@johnmosser6695]

@@teppygray4314 8.0 to 10.0 is disgustingly crammed together right now. I don't know why the hell they did that first br change at top br and then did lower brs. The second change pretty much made the first changes irrelevant at 8.0-10.0

[@A-Warthog-cc1wm]

Couldn’t agree more, I’m playing 7.7 US and the the uptiers are *brutal*. MBTs with stabilizers and heat out the gate, and the long reloads on my tanks don’t help either. Facing ATGMs in the slow ass M103 sucks too.

[@johnmosser6695]

@@A-Warthog-cc1wm yeah, they almost need to make a solid gap between stabilized and non-stabilized vehicles. There is absolutely no competition.

[@A-Warthog-cc1wm]

@@johnmosser6695 if they can’t do that, I am some else suggest they up/downtiering by a full br, but rather 0.7 up or down

[@Falloutrip]

I have it - it plays exactly like the AMX M4, which is at 6.7 (soon 7.0....) with a bit more penetration. And still no APHE, APDS, Heat, etc. It is a solidly good vehicle, but in no reasonable world does it deserve to be 8.0 where it can face 9.0 tanks that have fully stabilized guns, APFSDS, LRFs, composite armor, etc. This thing will be fighting the Object 279....

[@TPWR1337]

It's already facing fully stabilized guns. What do you mean?

[@reinyfrost3753]

@@TPWR1337 Fully stabilized tanks that ALSO have APFSDS, LRFs and Composite armour.

[@mike_xf1839]

@@TPWR1337 yeah id rather fight a tank with one or the other , but fighting tanks that have all 3 in one ?

[@brentonherbert7775]

My dude you need to stop malding. "No one shot APHE literally unplayable :(" Maybe just... learn to aim?

[@nitroxdriverfrance7598]

​@@brentonherbert7775The problem is solid shot AT 8.0 where everuthing has heat, or starts getting apfsds, + as they said stabilized guns and even more atgm's

[@SK1PP3R88]

The T20 is going to 6.3. It was 4.7 when I bough it.

[@tigeracedestroyer2308]

4.7 that is nuts that probably was a nutty SL collector 😂

[@jailbreaker1214]

Its ridiculous too! The T20 is just a Sherman 76 but with better mobility. It's easily one of the worst tanks to play because of it's inflated BR

[@JuanSolido]

I main France, have played nothing but them since they were added. The pain isn't the constant BR shifts up, although that's a bother. And the French aversion to shell filler is a frustration. The real pain is being lumped in with all the major nation players who can only press w for victory. France only team, dammit. Or Minor Nations teams, at least. Also, we get our real kicks in early on in the ter and with the sherman with the fl10 turret.

[@jimbo3671]

Angled B1 my beloved

[@MegaJani]

Yeah players are rétarded

[@joundii3100]

France, Italy and maybe Britain players on the same team against Russia, Germany and US players would be quite terrifying to see

[@emib6599]

​@@joundii3100 It happened to ne only one time

[@zanaduz2018]

Basically Big 3 vs all other nations would probably be a big stomp, one way or the other….

[@dylansmudz7995]

OddBawz: “why hasn’t the tiger II H gone up?” Me: *softly* “don’t”

[@mikovee2291]

I only recently unlocked the Lorraine and im already in love with it. French tanks live on the flanks and the Lorraine is the pinnacle of flank and spank

[@UK_IN_US]

The Lorraine 40t CAN carry games… so long as they’re 7.7 or 8.0 games. Full uptiers is just struggle city. If you’re looking for a good plane to back up the (now extinct) 7.7 lineup, the MD 450 Barougan is quite good. Turns very well and gets a pair of SNEB pods.

[@TheMrboomba]

being aggressive and playing around the points is my favorite thing to do in the amx-50 series and lorraine 40t, the improved reload speed is so good, since you are likely burning through your whole rack while taking/keeping the point.

[@scarecrow443]

I own the entire 7.7 lineup, premiums included. They are fantastic monsters, but the fact that these things will soon see 9.0 russian tanks, which the 100mm's can't handle, let alone the tanks at 8.7 we already face, which it's constantly dragged up to due to russia's massive lineup there as well... it's just gonna kill the tanks, period. We already have the brenus at 8.7 and that's not stabilized, yet it's just as effective as the T-55's at that same exact br to gaijin?

[@MildlyInterested_]

dont worry, BC 25t facing obj 279 is very playable.

[@FLLAable]

7.7 is the second highest downtier rate with only a 4% chance of getting full uptiered based on thousands of matches analyzed

[@aarondermensch]

​@@FLLAable give me a source

[@aussiemilitant4486]

@@FLLAablelaughable bullshit, 7.7 France is one of my main lineups. Downtiers are prob only 30% of games, Full uptiers are prob around 30% and just uptiers are prob the remaining 40%.

[@aarondermensch]

@@aussiemilitant4486 Gaijin: has so many tiers that it is almost impossible to fight against players that are only your tier in mid-br Wargaming: creates a way more simple system with only ~10 tiers to make balancing easier and more ships per tier. MM still sucks

[@JustSomeDog]

with this patch they will be removing the 7.0 lineup which was the only fun thing about france even though youd lose a lot

[@Beard_Since_14]

7.7 France was my safe space! I prefer the Surbaisse, my most reliable heavy tank killer, was so fun during the anniversary where there were hoards of maus. I liked the Lorraine, I just can’t stand how long it takes to reload the drum

[@cattodaproto879]

As a freanch main i am very sad. rest in peace 7.7 lineup

[@ezj2820]

The Lorraine 40t was 6.3 when it was added. Hilariously op. Still one of my highest K/D

[@barronhelmutschnitzelnazi2188]

Not played that much either too nowadays. Normally I see the AMX-50 (100mm and 90mm variants), Char 25T and Somua mostly used. Where did they get the stats to determine the Lorraine needs an up BR? Also the fact that there's normally only 1-2 French players in a full team.

[@Brand-eo8gv]

These 3 tanks are my favorite lineup in all War thunder. The AMX 50 and Char are such fantastic tanks and are a complete blast to play. I have 2.0 (400/200) K/D with the Char, a 1.5 K/D with the Premium AMX50, and a 1.0 K/D with the Lorraine and regular AMX 50. The change from 7.3 to 7.7 annoyed me but they moved a bunch of other tanks up as well so it was fine. Both BRs seemed to get a decent amount of Downtiers. 8.0 is god awful tho with nothing but uptiers, so its really frustrating to see this change, can't wait to face nothing but stablized, dart slinging MBTs. Truly suffering from success lol

[@CrimsonWingz13]

These tanks will now be able to face objects 279, gotta love gaijin decision makings

[@svenandbex]

Absolutely spot on explanation of BR stat effect of very proficient users. See plenty of tiger2p that are with low level players as it's a "starter nation" and the same with the US and Russia, they get needlessly wiped out cause poor decisions etc. So, some vehicles BR reflects more reflect players than the actual tank itself. Either weight the stats by the players' general performance or normalise the states to high proficient users like yourself. Yes, have it, yes, I loved it, but don't play it now.

[@kilux85]

i recently got into the french tanks with the Somua and play all of them in the 7.7 lineup, including the Lorraine. I Love them and hate that I breaks apart my lineup

[@markfreeman5539]

Yeah, France had a really great mid-BR line-up in spite of the oscillating turrets and Gaijin's insistence on minimizing spalling in solid shot. I loved all the lights, the mediums, and the heavies in the original 6-8 range. A more conventional tank with solid shot at 8.0 though? Laughable. Glad I am at 8.3+ in this tree now. The AMX-13 has gone through the same crap in several trees. I was working the Israeli tree the other day, and fighting Tiger II's with the AMX-13 is, quite simply, ridiculous,

[@hanfei6871]

Lmao this thing is gonna fight T-62M and a grillion stabilized leopards

[@lsilentreaperl]

the chat 25t is one of my most played tanks and i love it. that being said i haven't played it much since last time it got moved up to 7.7

[@barronhelmutschnitzelnazi2188]

In 8.7 uptiers, you just run away when you see a russian MBT because they are immune to your 200mm of pen. Gotta flank like a SPAA

[@ZGD-yy9oy]

I have bad news

[@bigred8313]

I got a talisman for this thing out of a crate way back when it was 6.something and it got me through the entire French tech tree.

[@-Sober-]

I was surprised just how good the Lorraine was when i first got it. I hardly remember ever getting 0 kill games in it cause the reload is so good, it penetrates so much, and the solid shot AP inflicts so much damage. Not only that, it’s also fast with neutral steering

[@flamepanzer1767]

I love the Red Dead Redemption reference at 8:30, its awesome. Didn't realize you played it! Long time fan, love your content, keep up the great work, Bawz.

[@rbrrrd]

I had a feeling it was going to move up to 8.0. There goes my 7.7 France line up.

[@canned__meat]

the 7.7 line-up for france is pretty monstrous but, they're ALL wobbly bois. This is something that can really hurt in an uptier unless you can find the good position to take advantage of a stable aim. The ammo in this and the AMX 50 works awesome but can bounce pretty strangely sometimes (like everything else when the snail says, "nope"). Mobility is awesome and turret swing is really nice. It is like you say -- either do pretty great or woefully bad :D PS -- I actually have a question that I hope that either you or Mr Spookston might know the answer to -- Why is it when the first stage runs out, rounds are not manually fed into the chamber as with other auto loaded vehicles?? You're just forced to become a paperweight for a while.

[@kokishorttail3471]

I LOVE the Lorraine 40t. It’s such a good tank. Fast (ish). Can (sometimes) bounce shots. Fires so fast. And does good damage, the vast majority of my deaths in it are either a result of cas or having an empty ready rack.

[@Breeki-Cheeki]

Can't wait for the amx m4 to be at 8.3

[@albertahmetyoldas7528]

WTF DO YOU MEAN 8.0 fuck this i wont be able to compete against anything i have no armour no stabilizer this is madness

[@Rosaslav]

The sarcasm dripping from this video... Well done OddBawZ, well done:)

[@chandradefiant595]

Seeing 9.0 in these vehicles is going to be an absolute nightmare. 9.0 china is already salivating

[@jaiden6949]

it took them like 8 years to move the Leo up to a sensible br and about 3 seconds to move Frances already heavily struggling mid-high tier tanks

[@lordhickory3322]

Continueing my streak at about day 11 of asking for a video on the Strv m/42 EH. I love that thing and I'd also love too se you play it!

[@boperadotto8703]

The problem I find is that WT bypasses the postwar AP/APHE/APCR meta wherever possible. Vehicles that were designed for it but never upgraded for the following Sabot/HEAT era are left in a very awkward balancing scenario. They stomp if they're the slightest bit too low, but all the things that should be their contemporaries have been given late-in-life upgrades that leave them in the dust.

[@kakapokid1796]

Just got to this point in the french tech tree, really enjoying it and it's now being up br'd 😭

[@farmcat9873]

Nice long Video some good games with the Lorraine 40t just to make sure Gaijin raises its BR after all these matches

[@ursula662]

“There’s no way that shouldn’t have penned” welcome to solid shot in war thunder, signed, a teaboo

[@kapppastalin6415]

French 7.7 line up with Somua, Lor40t and amx 4 is perfect 👌

[@ItsMistahWolfe]

I noticed that the AMX 30 Super also got removed from the premium section of the game, which strikes me as odd to me.

[@UK_IN_US]

I’m predicting a UAE-spec Leclerc premium

[@ItsMistahWolfe]

@@UK_IN_US I wouldn't be surprised, i just hope it doesn't look as ridiculous as the new challenger oes, with you know, it's family sized dinner table on top of it.

[@GuitarHeroAddict92]

I really love the Lorraine and the AMX. They are great.

[@Goatfer]

This was my favorite tank. When it came out at 6.7 i used it constantly for 2 months and my stats are 1698 kills and 647 deaths.

[@CH3TN1K313]

@ 10:54 that is the thickest armor section of the T-54 mod. 1947, and since he had the turret angled off to 45deg of your LOS, it made it even thicker. If you hit even 6in to the right, you would have likely penned.

[@iceburg9684]

This thing was a monster at 6.3 BR...Rip to my fav times in WT when the france tech tree first came out.

[@gfimadcat]

I own the Lorraine 40t - it's an absolute monster, and along with it's autoloading friends (M4, M50) has been a lot of fun.

[@archangelari3420]

The Somua SM is crazy good! just got it and so easy to go off in it!

[@elitely6748]

This is bad I was also hoping to grind to France 7.7 some time as well! Thanks for the videos as always though Odd!

[@codyhalo117]

I just started playing 7.7 France the amx 50 to90 premium is so much fun to play it's such a great line-up. They don't even have enough pen to kill anything from in front.

[@omalmahrouqi]

Also yes Bawz for some reason smoke grenades and barrels have the same audio as ATGMs and rockets for some reason

[@bobsaget8791]

the amount of "can't do anything to him" really shows how overpowered this thing is at 7.7, glad its going up!

[@David-ew5sx]

been playing this thing since it was 6.7 its been increasingly difficult to do well in it but doing well often means a 10 kill game however, when fully uptiered, it can make one feel like Sisyphus, achieving next to nothing for lots of effort

[@ceevee369]

Aside my RU591, the 40T is the weapon of choice for some good early sniping fun. I oversaw the French tree for a long time but is now my second fav

[@dariusweisz7440]

26:17 such a lucky shot the shell bounced of his mantlet into the crew comparedment

[@GewelReal]

Gaijin some time ago: "we'll stop caring so much about player statistics" Also Gaijin: still caring about player statistics

[@paper2061]

What really gets me with the br changes is the bc25t going to 8.0 while the obj906 stays 7.7. Bad players mean gaijins balance method wont work:*

[@dakotabazile]

I got my first Nuke in the Lorraine 40t, will forever be my first love

[@ahhkaraj]

I saw those cool French tanks at 7.7 so i decided to start grinding France. Because i am a casual player it took pretty long and now when i am finally about to get the vehicles they are being uptiered😐

[@nishithasapukotanage2952]

Odd please play top tier France!! Would love to see it

[@alexstasko696]

40t is awesome, have one of the best kd on it, but played more with 50t90 and 25t which now I kinda regret knowing it's getting moved up.

[@cripplingdepressiongaming]

I actually had a fun time spading this tank love French tanks so unique

[@ToxicMinecraftV2]

i was starting to get into the 7.7 matches and the loraine was smacking my team

[@thelemonlord9337]

I feel like Gaijin's way of 'balancing' tanks just punishes newer players trying to get into minor nations like France, because the tanks are balanced with the assumption that the person playing it will be very skilled. Switching from playing mostly Germany to playing more French vehicles was really difficult and annoying, and although now that I'm more skilled with French tanks it isn't nearly as bad, and I do far better far more often, Gaijin constantly raising the BRs of tanks like the Char 25t really screws over the majority of French mains, especially those newer to the nation.

[@im8aluc473]

the 40t and superbias with 120mm baguettes i had so many nukes in top tier matches so its the best experince once you completted the suffer

[@ravohr2881]

That LeKPz M41 is such an MVP, instantly tried to help, when the situation got too dangerous he retreated but still put a smoke screen up, so Odd can repair more peacefully

[@dariusweisz7440]

good intentions but he popped 3 smokes at once and did not help repair...

[@1stCavSwagger]

1st game was an absolute brawl man!

[@jogrin]

OddBawZ - you somehow managed to use my three favorite pre-death phrases in succession: - I really want to move up - I don’t know what that is but I’m gonna shoot it anyway - what?!?! OddZ Turkey_Fryer

[@alexandreaudard4309]

So fun to fight a stabilized tank with good mobility composite armor and apfsds (t55-am1) with my unstabilized tank with ap round

[@luckyjack6197]

I hate that my favorite 7.3 lineup was moved to 7.7 and now to 8.0. I constantly get up tiered with this thing and it struggles like you said with shots at the fronts of tanks. This move to 8.0 will make them unplayable.

[@Waltuh39]

I own all three, and the 90mm APHE is soooooo good. These are my favorite tanks, or were. In the AMX-50 TO90/930 I have about 300 deaths and 500+ kills (Thats really good for me).

[@xblackdog]

The best part of being an Italian, japan, and French player is every patch just makes my fav trees harder to play! Meanwhile Germany and Russia are on average 1-2BR under tiered across the board T.T

[@therobotank1278]

I don't have it just yet but I am on my way to the Lorraine 40t but I do go up against them here & there and man I get so annoyed because majority of the players who are using them are quite impressive and definitely know utilize the tank to its fullest advantage.

[@reanukeeves420]

I don’t know if many people knew this or not, but if you run outta ammo in an auto loader and then go into a cap that you have all ammo that gets refilled will go directly into the auto loader almost completely negating the insane reload times for them

[@petn8211]

when they were 7.3 and 7.7 i got consistent and common nukes at 8.7-9.7 cause of using it(lorraine, char 25t and amx50) with the amx30 dca and eventually the 105mm 4s reload thermal SK105 or smthn. always loved the lorraine for the feel of that thumpy and sharp 100mm gun with a sleek reload on a great looking and super mobile, oversized (but nifty) light tank. loved the sense of being a neat lil fox but eventually stopped playing cause of the constant fckn revenge bombing, felt like it got worse and worse, which in turn got me to be more anxious and careful and that in turn made me too slow to catch and put down people before they got enough points for planes and helis. like a vicious cycle that gaijin did nothing to stop, turns out warthunder isnt worth it for me atleast but holy damn i could shoot that sht up like H, straight up my veins, miss that addictive feeling. also Oddb the HE on the lorraine and other french 100mms cant overpressure stuff like the rooikat, bmps or sheridans many places but some years ago they changed the way HE works sometime after adding overpressure, so that it gets an AP effect too, slight but with the french 100mms it got like 30mm or 31mm of pen and great angled performance at close range, like some sort of insane SAP shell. rooikat is like 25mm plates all around.

[@DocMegaPixel]

Lorrain 40t is my favorite tank so far but as I'm playing it alongside the AMX30s and it still stand pretty strong

[@duncanmcgee13]

Gaijin saw the Somua slapping everything it came across and decided anything like it needs to be moved But also yall are forgetting a lot of other stuff went through this already. Welcome to the party

[@Speedyy83]

The lorraine and the regular AMX50 arent being moved up though?, at least according to the google doc I can find its only the Somua, AMX50/90 and Char 25t?

[@blyatman9726]

Loraine 40t when it gets upteired: there's nothing we can do

[@matthewvanvliet9280]

I love playing France, Lorraine, one of my favorite tanks

[@terroah4832]

I do own the lorraine 40t! I had alot of fun. I liked the speed, i liked the gun, i liked everything. Right now i am at the amx 40. Im trying to get the Leclerc. Im a little sad that its being moved up to 8.0, glad i enjoyed it at 7.7.

[@razzah1337]

this lineup i play myself every now and then, i either end up top of the team or bottom, there is no in between.

[@SadisNic]

The Lorraine 40t, TOA100, Surbaisse, Somua, amx 13, F84 lineup is probably the best lineup at 7.7

[@RightTwixer]

The Lorraine 40 T is definitely my favorite tank, the 4 sec auto reload, the quickness and the reverse speed of it is amazing. I have gotten a nuke with it just because Russian mains are sometimes blind. But now that the Lorraine 40 T is going to 8.0 even though it’s been through hell at 7.7, with the massive silver lion when you die. One of the best French tanks you can play. And as a French main the Char 25 T that is also getting moved up since it was 6.7 with only AP and not apcbc, it was good for what it was. I don’t remember when the char 25 T got the 4 second reload but I do remember that it had a 6.5 second autoloader system which was pretty mid tbh. The Lorraine and Char are probably the best tanks in the French tree you can use. Now that it is going to 8.0, it already seeing T55AM’s, now that it can see the T62AM, XM-803, M60 TTS, Leo a1a1, type 74, ZTZ88, PTL02, and the AFT09. These all have laser range finders while the Lorraine, Char and Amx don’t have a laser range finder. And the drops on these shell are horrible. But now they destroy them. I really call BS and Gayjin’s part because of this.

[@schattifuzius]

Could you PLEASE play the KPz-70? You can barely find any videos of it and I would love to see how you perform in it!!!

[@user-le5ps3xe6s]

i do own and i had a BADDDDD time with it but nowadays i have a good time becaus it's a pro tank (it's a good tank for good player)

[@LucyKaida]

7.7 France is the lineup that I got one of my very few nukes in. Can't say I'm too happy to see it go up though, that match was hard fought

[@cyanaquamarine]

Playing France has bought forth some of the most anger I have ever experienced in my hundreds of hours of War Thunder, and I am only BR 4.0...

[@mitchwatson6787]

Did I miss something from Gaijin re: the Lorraine 40t? It looks it will remain at 7.7 while the Char 25t, Somua and the AMX50 with the 90mm are going up to 8.0...

[@cliffthelightning]

The also bumped the Sagittario 2 up, we need to confiscate Gaijins crackpipe