FRANCE VS ITALY - Which Country’s Tech Wins? - War Thunder

[@sinisterisrandom8537]

Historically Italy mostly consisted of L3/33 based vehicles to realistically this is rather a realistic result of a theoretical event

[@otatoshio4315]

And post war, the italian army had m24 (518) m47s (2.000), m60s (300) and leopard 1s (bout 700) And with france m47 (854), m24 (1254)

[@sinisterisrandom8537]

@@otatoshio4315 That has little to 0 relevance to my comment. France didn;t have M24's, M47's, Leo 1's and M60's or any of the other vehicles your referring to at all. Also you said M24 twice. Which contradicts your claim of 518 previously. It had none of those in WW2 or before. Given the time frame of the L3's which is roughly around 1928->1940

[@otatoshio4315]

yeah just thought it was interesting fact I edited it to make it clearer, mostly about these countries having for the most part imported vehicles during the cold war

[@otatoshio4315]

@@sinisterisrandom8537 but france did in fact have m24s and m47s which composed the backbone of the french army before the widespread service of national designs

[@mathieu722]

@@sinisterisrandom8537 Outside the USA, France was the biggest user of M24 in the world, still waiting it in WT... Also used other Germans and US tanks during ww2.

[@ARatherEdgyEnglishWangcore]

This didn't really feel like a fair match up at all. It was clear most of the Italian team was "memeing" with everyone using L3, and R3's, and even some 1.0 tanks in that Rank 3 match, while the French used actual tanks. Along with just the differences in their kit... France getting the Jumbo, and M36, while Italy gets the Sherman Firefly, and M18, which I saw very little of. It felt like the Italian team were trying to stay "true" and use mostly actual Italian vehicles, while France didn't hesitate to send out the Jumbos. I would want to see a rematch with both nations using exclusively THERE vehicles, and not lend-lease from other nations.

[@bigbrainmonkeys]

Yes plus not allowing rank 1 tanks/planes into rank 3

[@me67galaxylife]

It was compensated by some people taking the arl acl1 one of the worst vehicle in the game

[@michaeldebellis6171]

@@me67galaxylife it’s nowhere near the eorst vehicle in the game let alone the French tech tree

[@rigoloweb4762]

R3 are overpowered so I don't think it was an issue

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

In round 1 I was confused why many participants were spawning in as an L3 since there are better rank I tanks that Italy has. I’ll be doing more nation vs nation events and all are welcome to join that would like to participate.

[@coconutdoggy4131]

I mean Italy lose just becouse thier team trolled it hard with L3 and then with Era 1 vehicles

[@misterthemad994]

They'd have lost anyway, even a team of (somewhat experienced) M4A1s equiped mostly with HE shells could've easily taken care of Italy during round 2 due to their complete lack of armour ; and top tier would've been dominated by France easily as the Italian Ariete family is known for basically being the worst top tier MBT family in the game while the Leclerc family is known for being quite balanced and effective, and for having the second fastest shell in the game, a few meters per second behind top tier China. (Just in case, I main France, and play Italy as a secondary nation, mostly for planes)

[@dedy__5622]

​@@misterthemad994italy has amored tanks all throughout, they trolled too much and could have won its not that simple saying that its framce bc of their shells, top tier would be a italian lose though i agree on that

[@thekralj5132]

True, if they havent trolled first round they would win 2-1 on the toptier, they got best IFVs and light tanks in the game

[@misterthemad994]

@@dedy__5622 the little bit about the leclerc's shell is here as a "fun fact" only, not as an argument ; had I wanted it to be an argument it would've been way more developped. Rank 2 and 3 Italy has unarmored, or very poorly armored vehicles with good guns and somewhat armored vehicles with shitty guns ; against a team made of 80-100% Jumbos (if Italy plays it serious and smart, lets assume France does it too) they'd get fucked twice over, a team of Tigers, T-34-85s or IS-1s would get fucked twice over by a team of 80-100% jumbos.

[@misterthemad994]

@@thekralj5132 meh, they're good but they aren't the best, better than French IFVs for sure cause right now there's only one in the tech tree, and it's premium, and only has a bush Master autocannon. But I know a nation that would completely destroy Italy without any trouble, Israel, the merkava's engine layout makes it insanely effective at tanking ATGMs and low caliber APFSDS shells/rounds ; nice IFVs would be useless against 'em and Arietes still are the worst top tier MBTs in the game.

[@plane_enjoyer873]

You should do another video like this but with all the countries, like a showdown to find the best country

[@tplays6688]

There isnno need. Its unfortunately Russia i guess But if the Germans get competent Players in a vid, they might win.

[@ImBosmann]

@@tplays6688 Actual no, I am Russia main but I also play Germans, and my K/D ratio is way better with the germans, they also feel much easier to play.

[@marjopartanen4035]

Germany vs ussr

[@sneeuwkabouter9319]

​@@tplays6688that depends on the players

[@NotImportant791]

@@sneeuwkabouter9319we all know german mains are meat heads

[@gabrieledondoni6371]

Very cool idea, would love to see other nations (or france vs italy part 2), although to be fair rank 1 france seems to be a hard counter to rank 1 italy, and the secon match was more italy vs america than italy vs france

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

Thank you and makes sense

[@AntiFurry174thInfantryRegiment]

​@@ThunderWithMuffin Also thr Unfair part is, no one really plays italy and everyone got the L3 so they can participate in the first round so that is unfair bc the M14 is actually good and planes are very good but no one plays italy everyday so they dont have the right tactics etc.

[@MCH-23.Quintus]

ARLs 44 and EBRs aren't american.

[@wilgiambra6930]

I have been wanting this specific matchup like this for so long. I have a little baby and when I'm holding him so he can go to sleep I've been thinking about what would happen with these two tech trees so thank you so much

[@ckadefoliat2882]

congrats for the baby. but lets be honest here some italians players are not very good in match ups events like this.

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

Congrats having a baby and more vids like this to come:)

[@Laconianarms]

The issue is that Italian players don't take the game seriously, you're putting a pack of class clowns against the sweatiest of the sweats. You can see this easily with the amount of players using the L3/33 and the R3T20, and those frogs using the D2 (known as the strongest French rank 1) and the sheer amount of Jumbos (strongest 5.3 tank in terms of armour) Really this was a flawed experiment, but you can see the true power of Italian players at the end. You've also messed with the planes that the Italians can use, where the frogs can use their prime planes (F6F and such) the Italians were limited to the dreadful G55 (instead of gold like the Re2005 or the Re2001). Looking at the nations makes me sick, France with Italy? They're opposites they're never meant to duel. Instead I propose Italy v Japan | France v Britain. Both nations fight with their counterparts - weak armour, big gun v weak armour, big gun - and vice versa. For a guy who puts tanks up against each other so often you disappointed me with this release. In conclusion you either should repeat the test, telling the Italians to be serious, or exclude certain vehicles (L3/33 and Jumbo) as Italy could've pulled the easiest win against those frogs. -Signed, Pasta Enthusiast

[@ezj2820]

Seriously bro, never seen someone so pressed about custom war thunder matches, do you know how difficult it is to control the knobs is most of his vids? They're not pros, they're like 10 years old looking to be on the internet

[@merafirewing6591]

​@@ezj2820I think France versus Italy is the perfect recipe for chaos and mayhem and funny shenanigans to happen.

[@Laconianarms]

@@ezj2820 you can solve a lot of my issues with the video by using 1984 as a tutorial vid

[@ezj2820]

@@Laconianarms it's safe to say I don't understand what you mean by 1984, like the song? Or what?

[@rigoloweb4762]

in this case, R3 should be excluded since since it's a 70's vehicle? we can add a lot of rules like that.

[@williamkristopik3519]

This is golden! May i request consideration for the same thing, but japan vs italy?

[@thes1up01]

Awww would have loved to see Ariete vs Leclerc. Also I think you should remake the video since lot of participants were just meming and didn't really try to compete at all, while france at least were true to their role of trying to win. Every other era 1 vehicle would have been better than the l3. For the r3 on the second matchup i'm ok with it since it's fast and can be a biiig trouble for the enemy team

[@jonathonspears7736]

Japan vs China next!

[@giovannifoulmouth7205]

Italy lost the first match bc too many spawned in L3s, either you didn't communicate the rules well or the players are noobs.

[@anthonylopez1126]

Exactly Italians have so many amazing armored cars at low tiers but everyone wants to be the funny guy in an R3🙄

[@lory3767]

​@@anthonylopez1126no but the m41 semoventes would have been perfect for countering french tanks with the juice 100 mm heat and nice tnt, instead no one used them very stupid game semoventes are literally the pinnacle of the italian armoured divisions in ww2

[@xeon39688]

​@@lory3767Yeah it also got 100mm frontal armour

[@allenliu8820]

I was in the f6f and I was the only person in the sky for quite a while. After shooting down the first cr 32, i faced no competition from any other fighters. Sadly, I wished we could had cold war tanks and planes which would be really fun, but we never got to it.

[@glebzheleznov9867]

Yus! This is awesome. Always wanted to do a tournament like this.

[@ahhkaraj]

Really cool video as they both are my favourite nations in the game. Would really see this as a fun series😁

[@usssimshullnumberdd-4095]

Normally you have an air of excitement when commentating. However; during ruound 1 you just seemed to be so confused and frustrated that people wanted to use the L3 lmao

[@YounesBoussouar-su7qk]

Yh let the l3 enthousiasts alone 😤

[@YounesBoussouar-su7qk]

Yh let the l3 enthousiasts alone 😤

[@panzernerd8486]

More like this please! Loved the video❤!

[@atta26hu]

Oh look, at 8:35 a hungarian tank, Zrínyi I. I dont know why its with Italy. Nice video by the way!

[@justaplayer2250]

because hungary is part of italy´s tech tree

[@adriencoudert1083]

Having both the Leclerc and Ariete, and to nobody's surprise the Leclerc is far superior. But I prefer the Ariete so much. It is much sexier to me and that is an important point to me

[@alessiobrlol98]

I mean obviously, the ariete Is a old and obsolete tank for modern standards

[@adriencoudert1083]

@@alessiobrlol98 I know but I still prefer the Ariete over the Leclerc for esthetic reasons and a decent player can still do a decent job with it. I mean it probably ain't the best but it still has decent firepower, mobility and FCS. The only drawback being the armor and ammo placements.

[@arsvencim7780]

Everybody knows that Italy better😢

[@whilliamblamet187]

Bummer, I was really interested in seeing the Leclercs match with the Arietes

[@ring-of-fireRyan]

Another awesome video!

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@lory3767]

Not a fair game after all I haven't seen ONE semovente wich are the best to counter these tanks and I'm not kidding. Many players are extremely noob in italy in this matches probably don't have more than 20 vehicles in italy and just playing to get to use the r3 later , should give another try with some Italy mains wich would much more likely flip the situation

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

Yeah I was confused why many participants were spawning in round 1 as an L3 since there are better rank I tanks that Italy has. I’ll be doing more nation vs nation events and all are welcome to join. You should join.

[@Gracefulwarrior2124]

Dang french bias really comes in with the B1 Bis. Almost invulnerable until german short and long 75's come out to play

[@YounesBoussouar-su7qk]

B1 ter and 2c are even better ( somebody who uses them) BR 2 france is def underrated

[@thatonemarine4707]

I love ThunderMuffin cause i can just do my chores and listen in cause he's sounds so much like a radio voice person😊

[@fathersiren9914]

Heres the thing in war thunder french tanks have survivability ive been shot by 4 tanks at the same time in a C1 but it lacks firepower while italian tanks have firepower but lack survivability

[@Masonjar94]

As an Italy main, they should have cleaned house.

[@gabrielfitzer5055]

They need to do this again but anyone who memes and isn’t really trying to win should get kicked

[@Truck--kun]

I feel like Italy could have won if they weren't so many people choosing the meme tanks

[@enderpony80]

Gaijin absolutely hates the Italian tech tree and the players who try to do anything with it.

[@Tacsped_Warrior1]

I was suprised to see the french M36 because I thought it is a rank 4 vehicle, because the american is rank 4, the italian is rank 4, the japanese is rank 4 and chinese is rank 4 aswell, bet the french is rank 3 and I thought that they are cheating. I mean it is not a problem because the br is the same and it wouldn't matter in a real match, but here here it was an unfair advantage.

[@VunderGuy]

A bigger flop fight than the present box office one!

[@hendreolivier2499]

Hey muffen well done on the vedios that you make. I have a Vedio idea. How does 100 L3/33 vs your choice of modern day Army the players may use Any tipe Aviation but only little, the rest is yours. Goodluck.

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

Thank you!

[@kylehendley1000]

i would love to see how this would turn out only using vehicles form that nation so no American or German tanks for either

[@ayuvir]

I really don't feel this was representative of Italy's performance. Memeing in the L3 in rank 1 is funny but those people knew what they were doing. Italy rank 1 is much better than france. On the second match we saw the same thing happening, so many R3s. While it is a good vehicle, you need to field more than that. That shot where you see 3 R3s killing an ARL44 shows how much the R3 needs to work to get a kill, just spawn in one of italy's amazing tank destroyers.

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

Yeah I was confused why many participants were spawning in round 1 as an L3 since there are better rank I tanks that Italy has

[@monfortnicolas5448]

Italy Rank 1 is more META with all armored cars but the French with their D2 and S35 are far more resiliant and will make short work of anything Italian in front of them while being virtually invulnerable to return fire if the guy in the D2 or S35 angles. However due to the map layout, yes the Italian should have easily cleaned house even with L3 to be honnest... The issue came from the Italian team failing to support the rest of their team trying to stop the French S35 and D2 push on the western side of the map, it also happenned that in this situation, the S35 and D2 could make full use of their strenghts being armor and firepower ( relative to the Italian vehicle amount of armor ). The problem was not spawning in L3, but mostly how they were used.

[@ayuvir]

@@monfortnicolas5448 the Italian main cannon in that br has 68 mm pen aphe which easily goes through anything that isn't a b1. the l3 doesn't have any pen so really idk what you're smoking.

[@monfortnicolas5448]

@@ayuvir Yes it does at point blank, but the pen rapidly drops with distance. Both S35 and D2 can acheive 50 mm + of armor with some angling and therefore be invulnerable to the Italain canon past few hundreds of meters. On the oposite, SA35 gun will easily punch through the italian tanks at the same distance even if they angle because the armor is just too thin. S35 and D2 are the tanks i have the best KD with. When played properly there is very few ennemy can do frontally unless they drive a vehicle that retains 60 mm of pen at 500 meters. That's the figure of penetration you need to reliably pen S35 and D2 at distance.

[@ayuvir]

@@monfortnicolas5448 Yes and the lancia makes short work of anything at range while most of the italian tanks using that gun are incredibly fast and stealthy, meanwhile you see a ton of people rocking the l3 that gets 35? mm of pen instead, certainly not what you'd take if this was a serious test. There's only one instance of someone using the As42 for flanking.

[@max_il_fornaio8164]

this isnt fair i think, there is players that troll or making meme in a tournament like using l3 :(

[@HybridR]

Alt title: Home of the pizza vs Home of the baguette, Who Will Win?

[@jaimegoncalves9257]

You should make a series with this

[@aseortoalgoritmo7002]

Ok but the two nations mostly used land-leased veichle so it needs another game but whit just their veichle

[@WinnerBrYT]

Japan vs URSS or China vs Japan

[@gatisvanags2198]

Day 1 of a suggestion: I have an idea where you put a battleship vs tier 1 coastal fleet ships maybe the battleship could get bigger each round but the tier 1 coastal fleet ships stay the same

[@_GODSFIGHTER]

In the generation of trolling. Im not surprised italy lost because of the l3 players

[@ShinjiroAragaki-c4x]

Anzio VS BC Freedom

[@merafirewing6591]

When baguettes and pastas declare war on each other with more baguettes and pastas flying everywhere. And definitely the match of the century.

[@HexDrone9637]

whe need a rematch whit serius players. this is just dont fair

[@maggotman9100]

I would have liked to see the modern era anyways

[@ARCtrooper_bliz]

Lack of tech it would be like only 2 types of vehicules on both sides but indeed we are here expecting top tier

[@pankosticka9561]

Italy could won if everybody choose m14/40

[@Tigerpanzer6666]

the l3s are fantastic but only used properly there is a small tank battle that does prove my point

[@PHilippines234]

What about rank 2 with the adult l3

[@ZenizhivGreen]

Should have continued the match, cause Im more interested on how both nation fare in the early cold era vehicles

[@Mr.Polska404]

Hon hon France always wins! Smack them Italians with baguettes! 😂 (also first comment)

[@TheOreoOverlord]

If you're looking for someone with all ranks of french ganks shoot me a DM, ive got almost every french tank and would love to participate in one of these. Geat vid as always!

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

Join my discord to receive announcements on when I do my events and would be glad to have you!

[@TheOreoOverlord]

@ThunderWithMuffin sounds good just did!

[@adamklasa7270]

British vs Japanese?

[@wtf_wifenloof]

Why doesn't let me join your discord server😔

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

Try this: discord.gg/BZxAb5xB

[@wtf_wifenloof]

@@ThunderWithMuffin It say it expires or it is invalid, I got have to find another way to fix it

[@ankurar6492]

4:37. 7:56

[@noserman1226]

Still hoping to see WW2 Half tracks vs wheeled vehicles

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

I recently did an event with wheeled vehicles vs tracked vehicles that’ll be coming out soon:)

[@Ezeasy-jh7yi]

Yeah ok, but it didn’t count in my opinion because there was jumbos (American at 5.3) fighting Italian light tanks at 2~3) so pretty unfair in my opinion, with same br and original france and Italian vehicles would be better

[@wifi_soldier5076]

france could easily be one of, if the best nation in game. if only Gyjin cared.......

[@lucasmuller858]

Never understimate France as i can see

[@ckadefoliat2882]

more like skill issue from the italians players with the tanks they picked

[@lucasmuller858]

@@ckadefoliat2882 ahah yes french bias

[@xeon39688]

​@@lucasmuller858not even bias, the Italian players were trolling

[@lucasmuller858]

@@xeon39688 a lot of them

[@lucasmuller858]

@@xeon39688 but they can pen,if they tried to flank

[@foxden1680]

Next match Italy vs Japan which nation was better

[@awesom6588]

i honestly didnt have much doubt the italian tree in general just isnt that good, half of their tanks are just cars with machine guns

[@ckadefoliat2882]

like any tree its a style of play you need to have and the tree is somewhat decent fr

[@awesom6588]

@@ckadefoliat2882 honestly the ariete is the worst top tier mbt

[@ckadefoliat2882]

@@awesom6588 look at the british tree. you sure pal? the ariete is meant to be played like a light tank btw.

[@The_Official_DDKHellcat]

I would say that Italien Fighters better than the french tech tree)) I have both

[@chadhuman982]

Unfair result, L3 and R3 should have been banned

[@salvatoreleonardi3676]

I think you just give the win to the France!! You dont even put the P 40 😱

[@ARCtrooper_bliz]

Soviet vs germany or japan vs China? OR Britain vs usa

[@_GODSFIGHTER]

A good idea for the next video related to this one. Make the participants actually use the countries vehicles and not lend lease ones

[@megaaids2653]

i love how the best vehicles md tier were all american

[@thejuanman1235]

Do Great Britain and Japan next 😅

[@ARCtrooper_bliz]

China and Japan instead

[@markgaming9319]

Do Germany vs Soviet pls

[@ARCtrooper_bliz]

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@MrAsPrzestworzy]

xddd ariete without composite armor

[@RAILER_71_97]

please can i join to the game and be in the video? i really want to play battles with guys like u

[@Adler1945ja]

Next we want Germany vs USSR

[@Guacamols]

You should have Sweden fight

[@n1kokay278]

nice

[@Alguien644]

USSR vs USA would be cool

[@awesome2sauce17]

My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined. In all seriousness, I blame this on the lack of coordination on the Italian team. I would have expected to see more AS 42/47s and Lancias rather than a bunch of L3's.

[@zbz9842]

Makes me proud as a French main!

[@Masonjar94]

Using American tanks 😮

[@ARCtrooper_bliz]

Im angry as a 6.3 italian main 😡😡😡😡

[@megaaids2653]

if the italian players had more than 1 shared braincell and didn't just meme around they could have won

[@lory3767]

​@@megaaids2653most of italy players probably had maybe 20 vehicles were just playing tp use the r3 , it's a very unfair game with only noobs and a few serious players actual trying to win

[@xeon39688]

​@@lory3767yeah if Italy players weren't using meme stuff they would have won

[@crazybrothers2502]

L3 is a meme

[@ДималонОсобай]

It's me Mario XD

[@ThatOneTexan738]

Ah yes the two most underrated nations in war thunder

[@TheMoody876]

I 100% want to participate in the Germany video any BR

[@adamg7984]

People complaining over the Italian players being stupid, I get it to an extent but they also decided that lol. I hope we can see a rematch some day without the L3 so people will relax about it, it's just a funny game with unrealistic gameplay. But if you do a rematch you should DQ the R3 as well, that thing shouldn't be in the line ups facing off against WW2 era stuff, they're triple the speed of anything else in the game at that BR and can move and control faster. If not for the Jumbos, those R3's would have run a lot more havoc. I just don't know, I know it's a dumb game but the R3 is so anachronistic it just really shouldn't be there.

[@katyushaoverpressure888]

I expected such from France never doubt French vehicles.

[@anderssonnicolas6480]

countries should be forced to use their own vehicles !

[@union2777]

do Japan Vs China

[@glamrockchica909]

The Japanese and Chinese have the same chi ha old and new so idk

[@Limpitzik]

ITALY🍕🍕🍕🍕🍕🍕

[@maxhager4187]

Fyi its not lanCIA its LANcia.

[@randomhitmusic]

before watching i have no doubt italy is winning

[@randomhitmusic]

this wanst really a fair match with only l3s and r3s, this video couldn't be used to prove anythign cuz italy was sabotaged by its players

[@danielefabbro822]

I don't even start the video because I already know people would give the win to the french. It's kinda a cliché. Pointless to watch the entire video.

[@ITALIAN_PATRIOT49]

2006/1940

[@waannad7940]

france better 🗿🗿

[@ScrotumScraper]

the arl has like 30 mm of armor on the turret side, thats why the rank 1 tank could pen it

[@fabioa3293]

Italy

[@faranghis5671]

the best part is the French tech tree lack of so many vehicule xd

[@footchess387]

VIVE LA FRANCE

[@kristelvidhi5038]

The French for sure. I hate their lenguage, but i like their tech.

[@kylemorrowofthetomorrow]

I vote France!

[@sleepyhead758]

Honestly while we all know France would've won i must say the Italian team played really well.

[@allenliu8820]

as a person who played in the event the french won

[@merguezator2256]

j'ai toujours su que la France était la meilleure

[@pocketwatch5149]

Booo

[@kirand92gaming]

Ofc france won 😂

[@Sidedlist]

Viva la francais