France 24 embedded with the Chinese in Zambia | The Debate • FRANCE 24 English

In one generation, China has taken Africa by storm going all in on everything from big infrastructure projects, mining and agriculture to the sale of medicine and clothing. At a time when superpower tensions are spiking.
China-Africa summit accusations of corruption of African elites and unscrupulous deals that catch nations on the continent in a debt trap somehow ring louder. Beijing's defenders counter that despite the debt relief of two decades ago, former colonial powers like France, Britain and Portugal are hardly in any position to criticise. Of course, the truth is more nuanced.
France 24 went to Zambia to meet some of the one million plus Chinese who've left their homes to make a new life on the other side of the world. We hear from them and from locals who are of two minds as to what many describe as a whole new world order in that resource-rich former British colony.
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[@barryneild379]

The African says "French go home"

[@julianliu6553]

Yeah, especially the Malians

[@wk9378]

France should give the Africans their money back. Failing which France has no right to question the intend of other countries.

[@valval2218]

@@wk9378 👏👏👏

[@aminuaidara8601]

@@wk9378 Exacting they have no good reputation in Africa

[@mavisburke495]

The Africans should have said we are NOT trading one evil for another, we learned from history.!!!

[@livetill7136]

If a French farmer goes to Zambia and improve better produce than the local Farmers, would they be painted negatively the same way?

[@flipflopsanddingdong4620]

would be regarded a saint lol

[@cathysmusic4919]

Nope... China bias is glaring with her

[@famandfam4158]

There is a different eye view of the way zambians see westerners and the chinese,we prefer westerners rather than the chinese when it comes to employment and china for infrastructure

[@stevemace1725]

The zambians should make the Chinese sign a contract making zambians own 51% of company's like china does to anyone in they're country

[@youngz13o]

Errr…. Beggars can’t be choosers? China could demand that because they not only had low cost manufacturing, they also had a huge market for the end products…. I don’t see anything like that in Zambia but I understand where your sheep talk and mind was going

[@StarSprangledBanner]

That's not how capitalism works. You need to have money to have a 51% stake.

[@marcorubio3388]

not true , a lot of foreign company own 100% of the factory in China, ask Tesla, Intel, Sumsung

[@BarrySManifold]

Matthew Ng Except Africa is not a beggar. Africa could offer China: obey our law (51% owned by African govt, just like China did toward investment) if you want our natural resources or stay out.

[@jonesm7230]

The France 24 documentary had an objective to demonize the Chinese. Majority of the things happening in Zambia or Africa as a whole regarding to Chinese ‘investments’ has a lot to do with the weak country regulations. For example as a country we can simply say the Chinese can help us with infrastructure, Energy production etc (high capital investment projects). But we should be able to have an industrial policy that protects citizens from unfair competition. F24 should do a documentary on how the former French colonies are still having to be France’s pons.

[@mavisburke495]

Are you sleeping or paid," demonize" those people leave evidence of their wrongdoing in developing countries. Polluation, overfishing, deforestation, and low wage to local workers.

[@mildredmaponga2473]

The 500 billion dollars France gets each year from the Francophone for colonial freedom still beats me. In 2021??? And then France is talking. If there was no Africa these French would be poor as hell.

[@DarkwarriorJ]

Before China was in Africa, the West was in China. Once again, I suspect Africa can just copy what the Chinese did - mandatory foreign-local partnerships for expertise and tech transfer, for example, a policy India also utilizes. Plus, turnabout on China is fair play.

[@popol5173]

@@mildredmaponga2473 This is a complete lie. Educate yourself woman!

[@rrr-sy3ql]

China is evil

[@washington163]

West: Africa, land without hope。 China: Africa, land full of hope。

[@richardobiekwe9437]

Just wait until these leaders are scraped out. Of course we would be waiting for the US, France and UK to come in and fight for them because they know that their entire history of mordern prestige is on them. Once we have swept the continent of these client Kings, over the years, it would be like a punctured artery for those who have lived of the continent for centuries till now. A slow death.

[@patriciadennis5818]

Don't forget all the resources that Africa has

[@oceanwave4502]

Indeed, back in 2000s, Africa was widespread considered in western world as a "hopeless continent". Search for it...

[@terhgasabeha9552]

@@patriciadennis5818 I have all the resources but I don't how to use it somebody help me Africa.

[@azellchannel8486]

@@richardobiekwe9437 africa tired of white devil bro

[@keungpang2176]

My god france 24 allow counter augment. They all look stun. she will not be invited back.

[@dianaraymond9]

Africa is the heart, the mother-land of all lands.

[@newtube4984]

Sadly that land filled with Black people

[@towoawawaboofficial]

@@newtube4984 go fick yourself

[@realashandaatlarge]

@@newtube4984 Racist find it hard to hide behind sheets these days, so they hide behind keyboards. P.S. God is black, too.

[@user-uk4jl4ot6y]

I do not think so.

[@satplm3011]

France can't see Africa being developed 😭😭

[@elppadiordnakerhs2867]

they also don't want to take the initiative to develop Africa. Instead of lending a helping hand they'd rather demonise others trying to develop the continent whilst not realising their condescending attitude towards Africans by doing so.

[@michaelteng6076]

@@elppadiordnakerhs2867 western countries never wanted African continent to develop so they can continue to steal Africans resources and enslaved them. One must realise that natural resources in this world is already getting scarce and if more continents developed the scarcity will become even greater. European and US already faces stiff competition from Asian countries and if African continent developed they will most likely be out of business and loses a lot of advantages and benefits. The wave of development started in Europe, US, Japan, Taiwan and Korea together, South East Asian countries and China and now China is taking it to Africa because of the natural resources in Africa and the labor in Africa is much lower than China and other Asian countries which are most suitable for manufacturing and also of saving transportation costs. It is a great opportunity for African countries to develop with China's win win business model and knowhow. They are applying the same successful model as what they did back in China and now for it to succeed all that is needed is stability in Africa. Regarding waves of Chinese starting businesses in Africa is a great thing also for African countries, it will improve the quality and competitive edge of African people just like how it happened in UAE and other countries. Let the Chinese initiate the process and soon you will find African people will follow in the business. A journey of a thousand miles starts from first step, without it, it will never be realized. Rwanda 20 to 25 years back were in civil war and now look at how much they have changed and developed. Don't believe about the death trap, some people have spread this in order to scare and prevent African countries from developing. Never marry into too big a social strata, you might find yourself in a difficult situation someday. It is always easier to speak to someone who is in the same position as you are.

[@oceanwave4502]

China knows that there will be corruption along the way of development in Africa. But they choose to move ahead anyway because China believes in Africa's potential in the future (~50-100 years). In contrast, western politicians live election-by-election...

[@warmpi]

Lol, Solange absolutely destroying them with facts

[@elppadiordnakerhs2867]

I appreciate France24 for having Solange Chatelard instead of echoing from their echo chambers.

[@elvinccw]

Certainly France media are still better compared to the US, UK and Australia fake news media company

[@charlieting361]

Tell use what western have done to Africa for last few hundred years!

[@ericsimukonda7333]

Solange really did her homework. Am Zambian and most of what she's saying is true.

[@mwinyimwenyi]

STFU ccp agent. Nice try.

[@jacobmee]

China is communist, and China is capitalist... come on, these Chinese have high competition back to China, so they move to Zambian, and however, still they’re already so competitive that the locals can’t win. That’s all.

[@VicmundLim]

@@mwinyimwenyi stfu cia bot

[@mejerome19]

@@mwinyimwenyi Great argument btw...you really did send your point across eloquently.

[@cuteandfunnyearthlings2863]

do the africans pay taxes to china like they do to the french called colonial tax?

[@julianliu6553]

"The majority of Zambia debt came from Western countries, and China is the only one who is willing to reschedule on repayment" ops what a slap on the French face.

[@morninghope1]

Lol that's true. The two guest hosts really had much positive to say about China's role in Zambia versus what the western countries have done there in the past.

[@Hope-pu6tg]

Nothing is for free, remember this, nothing is for free. Slavery was hard under the west; Africa will soon see a level of slavery they never knew could exist. Its been said, 'Softly softly catchy monkey'..... Just my opinion, 🤷🏾‍♀️ what do I know......

[@morninghope1]

@@Hope-pu6tg clearly you don't know much except baseless opinion.

[@Hope-pu6tg]

@@morninghope1Have I offended you with my "baseless views"?? My views are my views. China to Zambia:- 'I will give you more loans and extra time to pay, WITH INTEREST... If you fail to pay, I will take your COPPER mines, your airport, your electricity supply and other commodities that you need to stay alive. Dont worry, I will also let you and your next generations work for me, to pay off the interest'.... Nothing is for FREE. My view.

[@morninghope1]

@@Hope-pu6tg Lol, you didn't offend me, just annoy me. You don't offer substance and just baseless opinions that goes against the experts on the panel. Not only that this trite and dumb expression nothing is free is repeated over and over by you as if it's something deep. It's only idiots that think China is doing this for free. The whole episode is talking about a collaborative partnership between the two countries where each side gets something in the trade, nowhere does it say China is giving it for free but rather win win approach. This "nothing is free" has no relevance jeezes.

[@rohitmishra9517]

The woman in this program is very analytic, very well read n very precise in her sentences

[@maryjaber1451]

No she is very nervous and scripted.

[@sshong1553]

@@maryjaber1451 🤣😅

[@speedbird006]

CCP puppet.

[@sshong1553]

@@speedbird006U r the puppet of the west🤣🤪

[@speedbird006]

@@sshong1553 Here comes 50c army. I don’t like the west by the way.

[@ScoobyDoo-zp1sq]

The documentary clearly had an agenda. At one point they were showing displaced Zambians who said they were lacking water and then sliced to the Chinese CEO in a massive fish pond as if to suggest it’s his fault. He had nothing to do with their displacement but the suggestion that the Chinese were taking the water was clear. I’m glad they had the producer on, he absolutely embarrassed himself on the Chinese chicken story. It looked like he knew nothing on the subject and just spent a few hours there getting anti China sound bites rather than getting facts.

[@maxinewarnest894]

Every country needs to look after the people at the bottom of their economy as well.

[@edwardsnowden8821]

Preach brother, this fools forcing propaganda clothed as truth down our throats

[@leslievelagonzalez9864]

Voilà the difference between being a film maker and a researcher on the matter

[@sulaak]

Africa needs investment in infrastructure and productivity. When the British ruled Zambia, they called the country Northern Rhodesia and treated the people like scum.

[@nmagain24]

Africa needs to unify into one country and develop militarily. Unless that happens it will continue to be what it has been for quite sometime now, other peoples playground

[@RDCFemmes]

then the Chinese came and did worse!

[@tangaz5819]

They aren't doing it for free -- they will own the country before you know it. Progress may take time but it's best to earn it. Getting a Benz on hire-purchase doesn't mean you own it!

[@tedchandran]

Never forget that 4.5 millions Algerians were killed in the colonial genocide.

[@dellingson4833]

And the US colonies fighting the British and several other countries, tribes were fighting and dying for years for freedom. Then came the Spanish war, civil war.

[@ntaganirasteven2231]

U have forgotten Rwandans

[@maxinewarnest894]

Absolutely... don't forget the past. But ensure safe gaurding legislations for the future.

[@behrasd5888]

When I saw this, it reminds me that this is exactly what the West was doing in China 30 years ago.

[@scar623]

Sudan owns 80% of its debt to the UK, & that’s just interest. That is a debt trap

[@wildforfreedom6614]

When western corporations go into developing nations and monopolize their markets and destroy local competition, western media talks about free and open market acess and why capitalism is good. When China does the same, suddenly unfair competition and capitalism is bad 😂

[@suedi-annhamilton6032]

Because China doesnt allow you to do the same in their country. You cant go into China and start a business, you have to start it with a chinese national.

[@oceanwave4502]

To be honest, it's very unthinkable for a western employee to even come to Africa, which is poor, full of problems, corrupted, underdeveloped... They like to live instead in luxury in Europe, in 5-star hotels...

[@appl2597]

The pummeling Nicolas Germain's documentary received from Solange must have given him a severe concussion... She's right you know. The scene where the worker talks about how he couldn't return home to see his family for a year and then cut to the electric fence is so cynical. Nicolas will claim otherwise but the manipulative nature of this documentary is so obvious even to the casual viewer.

[@yangni007]

We have to speak about centuries of French presence in Africa ....

[@dennyglm]

Yes. what did western do last centuires over there? Africa should be rich as western, after long time "help" from Western. Unfortunately, lots of people don't have shoes on. How can this report or host face that???

[@yangni007]

@@dennyglm they have created a small clic of africans who have sold their country ...

[@oceanwave4502]

Even now, France doesn't acknowledge what they did in Algeria.

[@MrGTO86]

Solange did not come to this segment to fool around she came in with straight facts and logic. I kept rewinding to hear her speak. Give that lady a cookie 😂

[@shamanahaboolist]

What??? She was talking total nonsense. China is one of the few country's addressing wealth inequality.

[@terekab5883]

Of course sent my the Chinese government to support Chinese ..I don't know y everyone here is on Chinese side ..first of all what is happening in Zambia is too much ..these are poor Chinese trying there lucky in Zambia basing on appearance buy everything they can in Chinese

[@WordOfLife101]

I'm glad Solange came, she provided eye-opening facts that the Western countries never did, and that gave us a more clear understanding of what's been going on in Zambia. There's definitely much work to be done as Grieve said, in terms of labor laws, competition in restricted markets, etc. Because locals need to be protected against Chinese competition in these markets. But overall this segment has been a lot more eye-opening not so much in a negative sense, but in bringing more clarification to what's been going on in Zambia. It's clear that the West has been painting a far more negative picture of China's presence there and in much of Africa, in order to create stigma, most probably because they are losing their slices of free pies. This is all sickening, it really is. But let's see what happens during and after the elections. I don't have much hope, but a little bit is better than nothing.

[@uchenna127]

The West is trying to create enmity between China and Africa. I don't think it has anything to do with losing any "pies". For a long time, the West were very happy ignoring Africa and its needs. The thought of a China Africa alliance unsettles the West, that's all.

[@michaelteng6076]

@@uchenna127 you are absolutely right

[@SunnyandNova]

@@uchenna127 Alliance? Lol 😂 it’s a colonial takeover not a partnership

[@olayinkaoladimeji]

@@uchenna127 Where can I go to learn about this immutable right to Western attention that Africa was denied. 1 million Chinese is a trojan horse, an advance guard . Don't be blinded by your animosity towards the west. This is not a step up.

[@uchenna127]

@@SunnyandNovaHave you been to Africa? There's no colonial takeover happening anywhere in the world. The Age of Empires ended in the 1960s.

[@erickalemwa7832]

Solange you are speaking facts.

[@avaparker9603]

No, let's stop with the politically correct journalism, especially Solange's commentary. It's nice that this Chinese manufacturer is helping build a hospital, police station etc. However, if they are making $250million in profit, and that hospital/police station costs c. $50k - I wouldn't conclude that they are so much different from Western colonialists. I also recall this same firm paying their workers only 100 euros PER MONTH. Tell me how this is justice for Zambia. Explain how this isn't colonialism to Zambia.

[@michaelkalenga7534]

I am Zambian, but to some extend Solange is objective has given a good view.

[@nakambokazekula4403]

They have snatched the market away from locals.......

[@johntheman9842]

@@nakambokazekula4403 without Chinese bringing new ideas and technologies to you, you can't develop shit

[@akhenatenmuriithi4493]

🤣🤣We will never be free

[@nakambokazekula4403]

@@johntheman9842China is recolonising Africa.....

[@djouadjete3838]

@@nakambokazekula4403 in your dreams..🥳🥳🥳💯💯💯🇨🇮🇨🇮🇨🇮

[@ManaFate321]

I wish they had interviewed some of the workers to get their opinion on how the Chinese really do when the cameras aren't rolling

[@jerrywinefield2217]

What does this mean? The documentary was in their favor. If anything that was their chance to speak out and scream for help.

[@milkman9011]

What they said was probably not suitable for the documentary, otherwise it would be shown

[@chadcapitol6674]

Duh

[@WaluJohnSingogo]

This debate brings some light to the documentary. Solange speaks facts.

[@bridicot]

This lady rocks.

[@TT-sw2zb]

This guy is telling lie What the Chinese saying is that they do not have land But he French is saying is that China is crowded and polluted And the Chinese is saying that is on win win situation But the French keep quite on it

[@watchingthehawks355]

France go home.

[@michaeljohnchapman8772]

Solange is very good, her arguments make sense. She is also beautifully expressive.

[@RB-xq7qh]

I love this woman! I was frustrated with the documentary as well but I could never articulate my frustrations as well as she did in 100 years. Applause! The focus should be, WHAT DO ZAMBIANS WANT AND HOW DO THEY WANT TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. Not just expect Chinese to come in and build infrastructure and leave. The future could be very bright and prosperous for Chinese but also Zambians. They just need to have a clear vision of what they want for their own country.

[@gborowme]

Zambians must take the mic 🎤

[@kamenge]

Are u Chinese ?

[@chadcapitol6674]

What future? A shared one ?you say🤔

[@sabinereynaudsf]

Did the community really ask for a police station right at the factory gate?

[@africanreikihealer8955]

Why is it that the West are so critical about the chinese in Africa? Could it be that it is because they are no longer benefiting from ripping off Africa with impunity like they used to?

[@mothratemporalradio517]

I've realised that given the quantity of ccp propaganda trolls on KZbin, i could literally have time to learn another foreign language rather than engage.

[@mothratemporalradio517]

@John Smith that's an odd sentence

[@casteretpollux]

Great discussion. Solange and the Zambian gentleman came equipped with facts and knowledge and the western tropes put up by the two others crumbled into dust. I'm wondering if the 4 dislikes were fro. Those 2 and their mothers. 🙂

[@irenezulu4437]

"The Zambian gentleman" is Grieve Chelwa. His name is written clearly.

[@casteretpollux]

@@irenezulu4437 Thank you.

[@mramazing3380]

We are one Zambia and one nation.. Peace will continue to prevail in our country. We one nation.. Zambia and China together 🇨🇳🇿🇲

[@rukundokevin7818]

I wish you visit china and you see if you’re together as well

[@anacassua6603]

I’m glad Angolan government opened the eyes.

[@joaobaptista8377]

a serio como diga me

[@belinhaoliveira8566]

Angola?? Serious??

[@belinhaoliveira8566]

O governo Angolano também pertence a este culto de IGNORANTES, LADROÊS, CORRUPTS , que deixam os estrangeiros roubarem o país.🇦🇴

[@MenteLiberta1980]

Portugal controla Angola 🇦🇴!

[@user-rv3ef8ji5y]

Grieve and Solange came prepared for this talk as a Zambian I thought it will be the same old story with Pro west talking heads. (PS: I read Solange research in Zambia she spent quite some time in the country recommend you read it)

[@OOpSjm]

The chicken sellers are completely missing the issue with their arguments. The Chinese farmers filled a market demand/need for smaller, cheaper chickens.

[@casteretpollux]

I know a farmer who could make more from selling his lambs in spring when they are small but says they deserve to have a bit of life.

[@tripleceven]

They are missing nothing. People are buying the smaller chickens not because they want smaller chickens but because they are cheaper. Its chicken dumping which is being controlled by foreigners who were barred from doing so but they found loopholes

[@tripleceven]

@Kevin Tewey still, the immigrants' government is in full knowledge of their activities and if they were against it trust me action would have been taken a long time ago, ask HK...

[@taichiwinchester1102]

@@tripleceven Then start selling your chickens earlier too and compete. If you refuse to learn from other people's success you'll always be a loser.

[@taichiwinchester1102]

​@Kevin Tewey China ditched communism for the good. There's just no competitions in communist economies and your country will lag behind of the capitalist powers so much so that eventually your country become a joke.

[@84allx79]

There are thousands of English teachers in China from Canada UK USA and Australia, it’s not a problem about they are all from developed countries or top rich countries, if they follow the local laws and rules.

[@mavisburke495]

Where have the Chinese follow other countries' laws? They disobey international laws daily.

[@84allx79]

@@mavisburke495 that’s so nonsense, show out the crime report, otherwise you are a disgusting racist.

[@rag7027]

@@mavisburke495 just a salty racist who can’t see China doing well.

[@lukeliem9216]

I applaud France24 for having such a balanced debate about China and Zambia. I feel sorry for the producer of the "Zambia under the influence of China" because the 2 experts literally destroyed his documentary saying it totally misrepresented the situation on the ground in Zambia.

[@aznpetyaw]

The show actually was anti China if you watch carefully. The producers basically made the Chinese look like colonizers in Africa. If we watch carefully, they show the Chinese have power over the Africans in every labor encounter, and the workers are not happy under chinese factory life.

[@mildredmaponga2473]

@@aznpetyaw well I saw both but word on ground is that Zambians are not happy and one of these days it may not be good for the Chinese. The locals should stay happy with the visitor. As far a I know the Chinese also have very little respect of the Africans despite Africa giving them a much better prospect to life and health. I have seen with my own eyes this treatment of Africans as lesser people. I know Chinese treatment of Africans is borrowed from the West but one of these days things will come full circle.

[@foondavid]

Solange Guo pointed out the " grey images" in these videos. This is always the western media way of negatively painting whatever concern about Chinese or China.

[@angusyoung1448]

That's so true: Grey images and sad background music.

[@mrrasbumboclat4120]

china protects it economy, Zambia needs to protect its economy. try doing that in china they will raise up.

[@mrrasbumboclat4120]

is it me or do they sound scared to criticize china.

[@mrrasbumboclat4120]

all the money will be leaving Zambia.

[@angulaaagula5926]

@@mrrasbumboclat4120 We can't compete with them because we grow our chickens until mature... We don't eat raw food or raw chicken which are not cooked properly.. We cook we don't boil foods! Secondly you can't come to my house and starts to make me eat uncooked foods properly... ON the other hand Zambia needs Chinese and Chinese needs blacks... THE only way China has to respects the Zambians law! Besides Zambia won't harm Chinese... Is that Chinese they doing what Zambians do not like.... Zambians are super natural people do not like chimicals.... Nature can fertilizer on its selfs

[@angulaaagula5926]

@@mrrasbumboclat4120 Africa and Zambia needs own bank... If China do not take that money to make itself rich from Zambia Africa won't have it either... Cause do not have own independent bank from colonials... Africa belong to original people please.... Give respect to that...

[@angulaaagula5926]

@@mrrasbumboclat4120 Why blame China, Chinese taking all the money from Zambia? Yet France is doing the same.... Is all also taking millions and billions....OF Africans? You are all doing the same...🛌🛀

[@yuema2078]

Wait until you get the American chickens. The Chinese chickens are nothing in comparison to modern chicken farming. The comment about Chinese government support to chicken sellers in Zambia is laughable. They don't give a cr*p about the chicken farming in China, let alone those outside China.

[@danielvonliechtenstein8742]

The former French colonies in Africa, tend to be the least developed. China is not the only one. Japan, India, Israel, and now Turkey are all joining China into Africa. The last time I was in Africa, I saw the Chinese building roads, and buildings at all times of day and night. I have never seen Greeks, Germans, Italians, Lebanese, French, Israelis, etc, working from Sunday to Sunday at all hours of the day in Africa.

[@aboplus1010]

Woah How did Chinese in Zambia move from 100,000 to 1 million+🙆🏻‍♀️💀

[@kingofglorywarrior31]

Oh lord. They are people yet they hate black people in their country. But in Africa we don't hate them. Lord give us grace

[@freeworld2275]

Probably be 30 million by 2030 and they will outnumber the Zambians. The natives will have to work for Chinese smdh

[@popol5173]

@@freeworld2275 They will call it a win-win deal

[@freeworld2275]

@@popol5173 It's a win-win for the Chinese, pretending to give jobs to Africans while they get the land,resources, and eventually the country

[@jonathanfernandez4222]

That's why Africa has to hasten to institute policy to curb the flood of Chinese nationals in their lands before they find themselves out numbered on their own lands. Because that's when the tables would have turned permanently against the Africans. God bless the motherland.

[@gweejiahan9336]

Good point she is making there at 28:35 that the normal viewer will not be able to distinguish which is the CHINA STATE Investment, China private citizen investment, or China private company investment. To the normal viewer, all is the CHINA STATE.

[@tjmarx]

Who are these normal viewers who can't tell the difference between an individual pig farmer talking about his individual struggles/hopes/dreams, and a global superpower? The average viewer can tell that difference.

[@yc-tai]

The lady Solange Guo Chatelard nailed it on the head. What do the Zambians want? What do the foreign countries want?

[@demonridera]

Imperial robbers are crying. Africa is no longer available for loot

[@mikefas1160]

Your CCP parasites believe that they can establish an African empire and tyrannize the African people like King Leopold of Belgium, who treated all of those in the parts of Africa that he conquered like slaves. Their claim that there can be no criticism of their actions because it happened before is LUDICROUS: if a rape occurs in a neighborhood, does that mean that all future rapes must be ignored? The prior evils done to the African people do not justify the CCP's latest evils to bribe African leaders and steal the wealth of Africa.

[@silasnelson3116]

@@mikefas1160 you sound hurt.

[@virtutemodestia3477]

@@mikefas1160 Do you want some tissue to wipe away your tears?

[@akhenatenmuriithi4493]

@@mikefas1160🤣🤣 Tf did CCP do to you

[@jerrywinefield2217]

@@mikefas1160 well you certainly ignored the stories. The ones pushing the narratives that the chinese will one day conquer Africa are the same ones that raped, pillaged and over exploited Africa. You're falling right into their trap: pitting two POC groups against each other while they wait for things to become so ruined that all Africa will ever do is depend on the west again.

[@mystictraveler8642]

Such propaganda. Notice their videos. It shows small towns that look mediocre and never showing the nice areas of Africa.

[@henrysmith1464]

Good debate, super quality indeed and gentlemen in it are as good as the lady in terms of graceful and eloquent mannerism. Looking forward to the full length documentary.

[@mann234]

The copper miner said see my wage of 2906, I guess that was per month in zambian currency. Many thanks to your transparency - France 24

[@ericklaura7511]

That is 250usd per month, I had been to Zambia too

[@mildredmaponga2473]

@@ericklaura7511 😥😥

[@baluckybee1607]

So Lange means "come and show" in one of our local languages. True to the word, you came to show. You have done your research. I would love to read more of your research.

[@chilekwainc6059]

Isa nkulange?

[@akokitissou3308]

This is a Zambian government regulation issue. An economy that doesn't seek to protect itself from foreign " invasion" is a failure. Tariff must be imposed somehow. Also, what is the mindset of the Zambians who do not support their own economy?

[@beyenebisrat4535]

The Chinese are hard working people and creating job opportunities,we Africans should learn to use our resources and compete instead of complaining

[@irenezulu4437]

the best comment so far. We like to blame, blame, blame. We need to stop complaining and take charge.

[@andrewlim7751]

The Chinese started by making tiles, it became the world biggest tiles supplier even beating the Italians on quality and price, I know because I import tiles.

[@Shontushontu]

Solange is a slight bit too objective in her assesment in my opinion, but is definitely unbiased! A really good person to have in this discussion!

[@williammakena9817]

Totally agree with you. Even the Zambian speak the truth

[@zoho6992]

may be unbiased , but no knowledge of market. at ground level

[@Master_Zu]

That why they have killed president magufure of Tanzania. They said black man is not good enough to become a good leader

[@mildredmaponga2473]

Yep. And Africans are always left with sell out leaders. We only needed 4 more Magufulis to change the stage. I like the Ghana president. He seems a little better than old usual. I definitely hate the Zimbabwe leader. He's the worst of them all in my eyes.

[@georgethejungle5612]

Why the western world just leave Africa alone? They used to colonize Africa, and history shows they did much worse things than good in Africa. I think before the western world criticise what is good for Africa. They should return all the artifacts and relics in their museums that are taken from Africa, back to the Africa people.

[@Telluwide]

Just look at those two Chinese overlords looking over those African workers toiling right under them, jokingly commenting about the situation. Seems perverse to me...

[@popol5173]

And to see Africans rejoice about that is the really sad part.

[@Rudenbehr]

@@popol5173 because the alternative is unemployment

[@keyboardmanyoutube3189]

When Chinese competed with foreigner back in 80’s, they said same thing: I want them to go! But at end of the day, foreigners brought new technologies and pushed Chinese

[@angusyoung1448]

China still has sweatshop working condition to produce things consumed by the west. Foxconn (Apple's supplier) even puts a net in worker's dormitory to prevent over-stressed workers from suicide. Chinese endured the hardship and moved on to build better future. Nowadays most of Chinese families are able to afford one or two cars per household. Vietnam and Bangladesh are following the same steps Chinese took. In Africa, only Ethiopians appreciate investment and follow long-term development path taken by many Asian countries.

[@jackchen5232]

Why chinese can produce so cheap goods everywhere! That is the question! When you understood that, all problem resolve! Competition of culture, mentality!

[@yehuo2825]

To summarize...China is a better business partner...They are more willing to listen and help the country on what they need...Open and improvise to revise agreements in the interest how to help each other benefit rather than no you have to pay up now...

[@mwenyamakasa7528]

Such a nice debate and am glad to see that the discussion was based on objective reality and of course with 'look east policy' and the old western terminology of 'suspious little chinese man up to something'. But what can be said is that states regardless of what state (democracy or authoritarian) are self-oriented and as Zambia a nation I call home heads towards economic development (I believe every country is on a path of development and what determines is it's pace of development), we needs to master the globe politics and economics between the western (lead by the US-EU) hemisphere and eastern hemisphere (lead by China and India). And at the end of the day, the mindset of trickle down economics in relations to China's growth won't drain down to man or woman as well as a youth in Malambwa village hoping for a better future today. As such a Zambian - Africa oriented approach, one based on culture of Ubuntu and the economic model that would compete on a 21 century world order. And one more thing the chinese selling chicken was actually big deal amongst locals in the country's capital and not necessarily a 'western driven tropers' as pointed by Solange Guo Chatelard lol. All in all It was an enlightening interaction from both panelists I would say.

[@CondenseFact]

Good session France 24. Informative and great guests. I don’t think the producer meant ill will since there are both sides, I still appreciate him looking into the matter since China, or anyone for that matter, needs to be accountable. These well informed sessions and debates are what the French needs to identify the real issues into order to better compete and formulate effective policies.

[@lesegomotshelanoka8495]

China keeps building malls, shopping centres in most countries with its citizens with Chinese owned stores. If it were for the good, why not just support local businesses? Purchase from them? That is how you empower the Natives.

[@deniseb3922]

Well said

[@ane1315]

I will choose the Chinese over westerners any day. The Chinese are building our continent, we doing great beneficial business together. So i welcome more Chinese to our beloved continent.

[@bookie-and-friends]

You choose them but at what cost? Do you really think they are gifting these things to you because they like you? No , they gift you with these things because one it benefits them. Secondly they do this because someday they will be coming to collect on the "Gifts" they gave you and you will not be able to pay. Why cant our people manufacture and cultivate their own resources instead of working for others who come in and take over your resources and mistreat you in the process. Their agenda is not in the interest of the people .

[@wenson5]

The British dude is hilarious...

[@conradknight1181]

The French should be the last people talking about the Chinese, France has been living of Africa for hundreds of years, and still to this day....

[@popol5173]

The French have been living of France for hundreds of years. The rest is propaganda.

[@conradknight1181]

@@popol5173 so what are they doing in Africa..

[@conradknight1181]

@@popol5173 I think you need to read some history books about French people in Africa.. and what they have done to African in the past...

[@elsarlavino4327]

Well the lady explains it very well but it is a Chinese strategy to lower the price first so that all of your local producers will stop producing because they cannot compete with the Chinese. Once there are no more competition they will start to raise the price of the chicken. Don't be fooled. Support your own industry. Buy the products of your countrymen because it's like giving them jobs.

[@wuduo1230]

It's every company's strategy. Lowering price to gain market share. It's so call competition.

[@CherasKLproperty]

African has to learn to be competitive... The world give no mercy on competition.

[@loinslove5853]

And buy the leaders and the military for cheep

[@Findyification]

rofl getting slap back in their own show 😂😂 that lady owns them

[@michaelteng6076]

The main reason they are in Africa is because it is too competitive for them in China and they stand a much better chance in African countries. It is not because of pollution or any negative government programme. It is just like those westerners that leave their country and go to other countries to find jobs because it either pays better or is less competitive.

[@michaelteng6076]

@Ike Naija thanks I appreciate it

[@junkeatng]

Solanged could have freed the Ever Given using only the power of her words.

[@liegesaboya8265]

France 24 hours should come to Brazil to see how the americans , french , germans companies behaves with our poor people . I'm 70 years old and I can't remember any good fair relations at all with the workers . Actually Fiat had spies between workers during the 64 / 85 dictatorship , handing over information to the political police, who threatened and tortured them.

[@Rambo-kv7dm]

Africa, can't buy foreign land, but big countries can by African land?

[@jamesclark3459]

the China lady obviously speaks for Chinese here

[@pyrat3538]

refreshing. western media lies so much nowadays, so much agenda. not everything is nice and fun with the chinese but why so much biased propaganda, it would be enough to point out the bad things but no need to lie so much, these whole made up stories that are coming out of whatever western thinktanks will come back haunting one day, one should not lose the moral high grounds

[@angusyoung1448]

Yes, it is hard to swallow for you.

[@ahmes4347]

Thank You China, we really appreciate your presence here in Africa because you bring us something different. And more importantly We have a win-win collaboration. China and Africa, let’s work together for a good future. 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳

[@user-rv3ef8ji5y]

This video also forgets to mention how easy it is for Chinese small farmers to get loans .......Zambians can`t even dream of getting a business loan without crazy interest !

[@angusyoung1448]

Are you implying Zambians have low credit scores? That's so mean.

[@franksu9735]

Zambia people if you don't want to be taken advantage by other countries , you really need to do your home works.

[@byegooo]

Thank you Solange and Grieve for their clarification and clear explaination.

[@johnuwaoma1772]

Eye-opening and jaw-dropping discourse! Very Objective! More on this please. Thank you

[@erickalemwa7832]

I love you Solange,thanks for being so positive in your speach.

[@dancingbabybins]

Legislate limits on foreign investment and their marketshare. Name it anti Chinese if you have to but lines need to be drawn it seems

[@salmakhan9412]

Kindly add cc please it is easy to understand

[@MultiYlin]

@8:00 the chicken stories is a stupid one: I grew up in China and saw this first hand; in the late 1980s and early 1990s, Taiwanese/Philipino farmers came to mainland China and began to set up chicken farms across my provinces: it was a devasting blow to Chinese farmer since that most of Chinese chicken at the time were considered organic farmed (typical size is a couple hundred chicken per farm); consequently, the Chinese farmers were not able to compete against them because their chicken was cheaper and the growth cycle was shorter. So the Chinese farmers began to work for and learn from their opponents and diversify the chicken economy: they started similar industrial farms to compete against the Taiwanese farms: they sourced the baby chicken from American, and they bought American grow mix since that they are modified for the Chinese market. About 2000, some farmers discovered free-range/bio chickens can be sold at 4 times the price of farmed chicken so they began to rent out mountains to raise free-range/ bio chicken for the rich. I remembered China was afraid all our companies might die after joining WTO: one of the arguments at the time was that our agricultural technology is inferior to Europe and the USA; our steel industry was inferior to Japanese and Korean. Just let me tell everyone one thing: my company used to source all our raw material from USA; however, over the last 3 years we began to source from Chinese local provider and phase out American from our supply chain; we find out Chinese Titanium producer is IMPROVING EVERY YEAR in terms of Q/A and last year they are on par with American for corrosion/fatigue-related performance which they spent the last 20 years perfecting their crafts to reach "implant" grade. I always find people who argue for "stick to what my ancestor did" tend to be stupid/dumb ones: they think people don't change to adapt to survive.

[@mildredmaponga2473]

You may have a point but one thing I know a lot of industries flooded your country from the USA leaving the US with no manufacturing whatsoever. A lot of skills was also transferred to China and a lot of Chinese living in the USA came back home to help develop. China never let visitors get land permits and mine stuff. When I lived in China, all Chinese markets were filled with Chinese traders. I never saw small shops run by foreigners in China. China was good setting up boundaries for foreigners something not happening in Africa. When it did - Tanzania for instance the President showed up dead. That's the difference.

[@aboplus1010]

I completely disagree with the Chinese woman saying “Zambia is the poorest country in the world”🤬🤬🤬

[@upendo.3570]

Yeah but she said it's one of the poorest .

[@sgn4899]

Yes China is filling a gap left by western companies but don't loose site of China being an aggressive authoritarian regime and will expect support from these developing countries in exchange for help. But also now there are western companies in Africa with a social conscience to help develop Africa. Nationalising resources is essential to prevent foreign exploitation.

[@dzhou102684able]

Agree, there's no free lunch in the world, every country has their agenda, to gain something you gotta give up something, just depends on if the government think it's worth it or not. You'd lose your house if you declare bankruptcy, but you don't see people blaming the bank for that, so it's a give and take situation. It's up to the government to properly use the funds and resources in order to lift itself out of poverty.

[@shaohonglu5070]

Just a serious and professional researcher, Solange, without prejudice. Yes, if we could tell stories of China in a constructive, objective way .and with facts!

[@bernardosei1974]

For how long has France live in Africa?

[@aminuaidara8601]

Many many years stealing from poor African

[@dashuaili2608]

The guy who made the document was so destroyed on France 24. His works appears to be misleading and biased and therefore should be somewhat discredited. Maybe that's why he was showing a poker face during the last 20 minutes.

[@butchfils9464]

😄😄

[@hobbz4921]

The dragon fruit farmers literally said that they are encouraged by their chinese government to go abroad and farm!

[@bobcharles7716]

Your point? My father encourage me to go to collage. I assure you my father could not and did not provide me any advantages while I was in collage.

[@hobbz4921]

@@bobcharles7716 I see that it didn't take...

[@TheG65090]

@@bobcharles7716 the point is that its colonisation

[@mildredmaponga2473]

@@hobbz4921 no it didnt unfortunately.

[@hobbz4921]

@@mildredmaponga2473 yes, the two farmers that joked about being sent from God mentioned that in their interview, give it another listen.

[@kasmatsuppliersltd5419]

second correction Dr. Haabazoka is the economic advisor to the Zambian president but the president of economic association of Zambia.

[@ylu7450]

Now, we know what these "documentary producers" make. Did we know this before?

[@raskltube]

to be fair, china has considered many african nations as their closest friends for a while. mugabee loves them lol for example

[@tripleceven]

A nation's leader doesn't represent the concerns or interests of the whole nation. I understand your confusion, African leaders run their countries like a personal entity.

[@raskltube]

@@tripleceven maybe china should just withdraw investments from Africa, I mean seemingly if you ask an African randomly off the street what they think of China or worse still Chinese people right, you be lucky to find a black man who doesn't hold scorn for them. Furthermore while it clear that Africa is characterised by what seems like inevitable instability, what is less spoken of, is the taboo custom of failing to keep its side of the bargain..

[@tripleceven]

@@raskltube if the investments are the reason for what causes them to behave in a way that results many Africans to hold so much disdain for them then so be it because there is no smoke without fire right. You do have a point on Africans not insuring that the deals they sign leave them favorably disposed but it only speakes to the point i mentioned earlier which is African leaders sign those deals in their personal capacity and not as a leader who considers the future generation or any repercussions because they wont be there to face them.

[@raskltube]

@@tripleceven if much of the investment is private, then what case is there that china ie the country, is somehow covertly recolonising the continent?

[@datatran07]

Chinese are hard working and good in business same as in the old past centuries.

[@ajokeemmanuel4649]

They are indeed! Taking over the country, well done Zambia. Keep selling your birthright. "The visitor that is invited that became the homeowners". Goodluck Zambia!

[@taichiwinchester1102]

@@ajokeemmanuel4649 Stop lying and demonizing China. China's birth rate is so low that its population will reduce by 50% by 2100. Sub Saharan African countries' birth rates are leading the world, followed by central Asia, the Philippines, the middle east and Latin America.

[@freedomfighter6714]

CCP is evil and keeps on grabbing lands and murdering people - the lust of power is super....the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree. Few exemptions though... good luck!!!

[@mildredmaponga2473]

@@ajokeemmanuel4649 💯👌

[@NatureHealsUs]

HE"S A CCP

[@peterg.k.mchachah8592]

Well said solange

[@pierrebush662]

Solange speaking truth to power! I love it when people actually have the knowledge to back up their statements!! It is a beautiful sight to behold!

[@mfwambokapembwa7020]

I see Africa rasing to the challenge in terms of economical and financial

[@notworthknowing7901]

As a Zambian watching this, the only thing unsatisfying about the Chinese dominance in Zambia is the luck of transparency in the manner in which the economy is being run. The Zambian govt should man up and dictate their own terms when indulging themselves in international relations and most importantly keep foreigners in check so as not to dominate the local market e.g anything that is accessible in Zambia should never be imported.

[@yvettewills3149]

The government needs to look out for their people. The Chinese know selling their products cheaper will take away customers from the natives.

[@canismajoris6222]

I am not Chinese, but Africa were colonised by the West. What had the colonisers done? Sure, they came to make money, at the same time they contributed by investing skills and money. Same as what US did in China and now in Vietnam, Bangladesh, Indonesia etc..

[@humphreywu9039]

Colonisation also created slaves issue. That’s the biggest difference compared with the investment today.

[@humphreywu9039]

Chinese work so hard even sell chicken from 3-6am to comply with the local rules.

[@angusyoung1448]

More like wholesaling so other retailers can take over.

[@angusyoung1448]

@Mavis SivaM So what is "healthy" obsession with competitiveness?