Frank Turek vs Christopher Hitchens 12

[@evarichards9036]

Imagine being as articulate and clever as Christopher Hitchens it amazes me whenever he speaks , such a great man rest in peace

[@ploppysonofploppy6066]

@Scot .harvath If there is an omniscient god who wants me to believe it exists, why does it send the likes of Turek to put me off? I've not seen the whole debate, but from what I've seen, he hasn't landed a single point. In fact I've never seen that happen.

[@jillcollins8424]

He’s not resting in peace 😂😂

[@ploppysonofploppy6066]

@@jillcollins8424 No he's dead. Something we all have to try once but seldom twice. A bit like pot noodles.

[@Aethelbeorn]

@Scot .harvath Can't say he was even close.

[@gennymikel4296]

Articulate, clever and brain dead. I watched his video the other night and he was handed his ass on a silver platter. He could not answer a straight forward simple question.

[@MgtowRubicon]

"There is no greater purpose in life than the pursuit of knowledge about the laws of Nature." - John England

[@singwithpowerinfo5815]

Poor Frank. It was over before he even walked on stage.

[@canuckereh5646]

God did it. Everything is answered. Excellent. Now let's stop all scientific exploration. Let's see how that works out for us.

[@TheKillingTreeTT]

Well just look at the middle East and how they are doing in their scientific explorations

[@yoursola]

Your statement is completely moronic!!!!

[@angrylambie]

obviously joking, and yes - look at the most religious regions of the world and see how much better they're doing ha ha ha

[@luvr381]

That was tried once, it was called the dark ages.

[@luvr381]

@Gods Servant Prove it.

[@devinmichaelroberts9954]

Wow Franky boy has got a little anger problem eh?

[@kathyheitchue6069]

Mybe becaused he was called out,these Christians always get pissed off when they are punked into a corner 😠.

[@gennymikel4296]

After a while dealing with self important arrogant idiots will do it to you.

[@robbyddurham1624]

17 Even so every good tree bringeth :forth good fruit; but a corrupt :tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

[@cquinn4555]

Anger always destroys the vessel that carries it

[@phirefox375]

What's funny is when atheists show any anger or frustration, christians love to pull the "hate in your heart" card. Pathetic.

[@bubba8876]

If there was a God there would still be a Christopher Hitchens.

[@Ro-Ghost]

If there was a God there would be no such thing as an athiest

[@nomore5668]

@@Ro-Ghost Agreed, but anti-theism would shoot up and rightfully so

[@johnbarron1707]

@@Ro-Ghost Why? God gives you a choice. You are either for Him or against Him.

[@Ro-Ghost]

@@johnbarron1707 same can be said about the Easter bunny

[@johnbarron1707]

@@Ro-Ghost Sad reply

[@sle2470]

I love how Turek starts yelling at the top of his lungs when his claims are challenged. A sure sign that he knows he can't back them up. "STOP QUESTIONING ME! JUST BELIEVE ME!".

[@anepicflyingbrick_4872]

okk

[@Aethelbeorn]

That's exactly what I was hearing as well.

[@gennymikel4296]

Hitchens could not back up aa car rolling backward down a hill. He cannot explain why atheists back abortion then call God a murderer for killing idolators and child murderers in Genisis.

[@flowerlandfilms]

@@gennymikel4296 ...atheists don't call god a murderer because they don't believe in god...

[@gennymikel4296]

@@flowerlandfilms I have seen more comments than I can count where atheists refer to God as a "murderer, sadist, butcher." Funny thing i none of you comprehend what the stories were talking about, which was the violence and murder of the human beings of those times which history documents. It makes no difference if you "believe" or not. You certainly are concerned about something when you push for laws banning people from praying to a God you dont believe in. I'm sorry, I forgot about evolution, the blind, unintelligent force which randomly and accidentally evolved living creatures and reasoned the trillions of changes out with no intelligence or reasoning. so easy to believe in, that is.

[@Tristinfate]

So lucky that Christopher Hitchens lived at a time that his wisdom could be saved for all eternity. That is as close to everlasting life as any of us will ever get.

[@alexanderblake3569]

Tristinfate so true. Thankful for it. I would nevertheless have known otherwise. And it makes sense. His points are solid.

[@Numba1SouthParkFan]

I love how frank raises his tone and gets mad when he knows he gets caught in a pickle where's Chris is just chilling like a villain and making his points valid and correct.

[@CraigStCyrPlus]

Turek is clearly just an asshole. Like you said, he simply raises his voice when challenged and its obvious that his interpersonal skills are very lacking.

[@ericscaillet2232]

Everyone is different, same as your comments varies in various degree of intelligence

[@dylancoleman1921]

He is still doing it, a decade later

[@conradical41]

@Idyllic ツ there is no gOD

[@bradleywelch9290]

@@conradical41 There is a GOD tho.

[@DarthLampe]

I love that Hitchens yields his time for questions. Is it me, or is that more humble and noble than trying to consolidate their 30 minutes, which is a condensed version of their books, into 5. Inquiry over persuasion. Excellent.

[@mrsmallpinky9041]

Wow a comment from 13 years ago. I would say he knew the other chap would not yield his closing statement

[@tpstrat14]

In response to the nagging questions Turek kept asking such as "Is it just chemical?" I would have responded differently than Hitchens. "Just" chemical?! The nature of reality doesn't impress you in the slightest, Turek? No, it's not JUST chemical, it's chemical, and it's amazing.

[@besetfree5752]

Created by an even more amazing omnipresent being.

[@gennymikel4296]

If Hitchens talks reality, we are screwed.

[@tpstrat14]

@James Gray absolutely. Therefore, they must necessarily transcend whatever little stories we've told about who God is, such as Christianity

[@jesushad12gayfriendwhoallb50]

@@gennymikel4296 hitches isn’t the one worshipping fuhrer that’s turek you seem confused

[@endurodadclint5377]

Even though at times I need a Dictionary and thesaurus to understand hitchens I love to listen to him speak. Brilliant mind.

[@jorged06]

Every now and then I see Turek vs Hitchens, and my oh my, Turek is SO out of Hitchens' league. It´s a walk in the park for Hitch

[@Geoffthebull]

"The second Law of thermodynamics proves a creator",,,,Oh really....??

[@170221dn]

Absolutely astounding!! Although it could have been universe farting fairies....

[@265Hammy]

No it dosent. It just proves that the Universe had a beginning and that the universe is expanding infinitely. Space time and the universe had beginning according to Einstein Theory of relativity. With that said, in order for the universe to be such finally tuned and balance, its determined that nature itself could not be random. The second law of thermodynamics just support the idea that universe was designed and that it had a beginning

[@gracediaz8926]

I paused the video at that time to check the comments, ridiculous. These religious nuts just make up things as they go by.

[@imkluu]

Because anything that has a beginning must have a cause, and things which have a complexity of information which is superior, but supports that which comes after it must have a designer. The designer need not have a cause if it never had a beginning. That which is outside of the omniverse, which exists in eternity, having no beginning or end, does not need a creator.

[@wishiwassleeping2829]

Prior to the big bang matter was so dense that time didn't exist. Also, the way that we perceive time is very limited as we know that other dimensions exist. Time isn't lineal we just perceive it that way. Einstein's theory of relativity recognizes that the speed at which time passes is relative to the speed mass and energy of the vessel. The universe could have existed in the pre-big bang state for a timeless eternity or for just a moment, we don't know. The cosmic microwave background is the only evidence left and it is dissipating as the universe continues to expand.

[@cvan7681]

"The Creator is not bound by the Second Law of Thermodynamics" - among the silliest things ever uttered by a human being....

[@VNVgirl]

The Drink - Johnnie Walker Black Label and Perrier :) NO ICE - Folllowed by two bottles of Pinot noir

[@clintleffingwell8129]

Most actionable point of the debate. ;-)

[@aardvarkmindshank]

But don't forget to keep the food intake up too ;)

[@gbickell]

That's an aperitif. The rest comes later.

[@AFMMD-q8]

@VNV Girl yes indeed Girl, it is the breakfast of champions, accept no substitute. I’ve been drinking Christopher Hitchens cocktails for decades and I’m still DAF 😂

[@sneekapeek707]

A a pastor I must say that I have loved listening to Hitchens. He had a brilliant mind and was superb in exposing religious nonsense. He was also a very entertaining speaker with a delightfully dry sense of humor. I miss him. I think honest Atheism is a brave conclusion and perhaps even brings you closer to the Truth than Religion does.

[@brianwalendy3735]

Thank you, truly, for being open minded. I'm so worn of hearing an intellectual argument getting boiled down by people of faith to simple ignorant hate and judgement. It flies in direct contrast to what I know of the Christian faith. Thank you, sir.

[@nickbunt5542]

Surely you're to open minded to be a pastor?

[@powermedal3578]

The truth is not always beautiful, nor beautiful words the truth pastor. Just because someone entertains you, makes you smile, and keeps you interested does not mean your not headed straight into a wall. All of those elements you praised Hitchens for, are obvious distractions created by the devil, to blind "open minded" people like you into thinking blasphemy is present here but not there. An atheist like Hitchens was always commiting blasphemy. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that you are probably complacent of withcraft (if its white magic), pagan religions (if they include love), and anything else that explores a universal (all roads lead to heaven) motto. It is very clear your quasi-christian version of God borders on the satanic. You posted your comment just to score points with people that clearly choose not to believe in Jesus Christ and that is dissapointing. I would rather please God by being honest regardless of who I offend than to keep my faith hidden because I have not enough spiritual backbone to defend Jesus Christ and his Kingdom. If you want a fulltime God, you have to be a fulltime believer. Straddling the fence impresses no one. Jesus is coming soon, be ready, no time for games Pastor ...

[@wolfreyet]

Well, sir, I hope you've considered alternative employment in the subsequent 4 years since your comment.

[@TheLochs]

Turek's head is about to explode every time he responds to Hitch. He's a tool

[@wishiwassleeping2829]

@平和Christ Lives take your Bible and go wipe your ass with it, then it would actually be useful.

[@wishiwassleeping2829]

@平和Christ Lives I've been a volunteer at the homeless shelter for over 10 years. I'm a very charitable person, I just don't need a hateful false book to tell me to do it. I don't derive my morals from a patently false bronze age religion, thanks though.

[@charlesatty]

Hitchens..game , set, match! He is like a cat playing with a mouse. He is a Mozart with words and logic. Damn I miss his skill bringing sunlight to combat the world of darkness of the believers of witches and demons and supposed magical beings.

[@rodneylusk4325]

Guess we see our favorite, always winning

[@comunistanuncatemcomida]

Turek: I give you the two sides atheist and theist to proof God exist Christopher: I have a great accent to make me look smart

[@Bren688]

The fact of who was willing to forgo the last word to allow more questions to be answered speaks volumes

[@benitotommassi5820]

0:57 errrrrrrm... no it doesn't. You obviously don't understand the 2nd law of thermodynamics. I'd love to see him use that with lawrence krauss on the other podium.

[@gusjackson3658]

Frank does tend to squeak when he gets excited.

[@yoursola]

and????

[@gusjackson3658]

Scot .harvath Only if it exists.

[@byteme9718]

I don't think there was ever any "vs" here. It was just Turek getting schooled again and again.

[@randolphscott3361]

A child discussing existential philosophy with a genius.

[@BornAgain223]

yeah Hitchens is very childish in his intellectual limitations

[@aslanov]

I love how part of Turek's argument is the second law of thermodynamics...and another part is about the ORDER of the universe...for those of you familiar with the second law and entropy.....those are probably the two most contradictory points one can make...

[@joshdrichardson1]

You are going to have to explain this. My understanding is that Turek is saying in order for the 2nd law to start you need something to start it. To have entropy you need to have a creator for the energy. What is the contradiction? Genuinely interested.

[@jesushad12gayfriendwhoallb50]

@@joshdrichardson1 order of the universe yet the universe is constantly becoming chaotic.

[@jaybee9716]

Don't you love how these theists keep saying "No, god is this, god is that, god wants this, god wants that". They sure know a lot about their supposedly mysterious god.

[@jillcollins8424]

Shut up crackhead

[@dylancoleman1921]

@@jillcollins8424 speak to yourself

[@DevinDavis-pt1mm]

It’s called faith and understanding when you read the word the hilt spirit opens up your Eyes. Or course it would sound strange to someone who denies and doesn’t spend time with God at all

[@drlegendre]

@Jerome The supreme irony of this situation is that every single time we have to hear about what god wants or doesn't want, it's always some guy that's doing all the talking. Mind the size of the universe, wisdom that surpasses all ages - and it relies on these stupid, quarrelsome hairless apes to speak on its behalf.

[@r0ky_M]

An all capable God that can't show up and speak for himself , how convenient for snake oil theists.

[@jn2050]

I'm Muslim I I love Hitch always interested and he comes off as working class.

[@evilscotsman495]

What do you say when he tells his thoughts on your cult?

[@pommiebears]

j n working class? Erm...no. He’s from a privileged background. BUT, he didn’t dismiss the working class. He was incredibly smart and very quick witted, but unfortunately flawed, like we all are in some way. Yes, I’d like to know what your feelings are about his challenges to your faith? Do you agree with parts of what he says? Genuinely interested.

[@princeofwhales577]

@@pommiebears Can I just butt in your conversation, I'm a Pakistani ExMuslim Atheist and I can honestly say that Christopher Hitchens had a massive influence on my apostasy, I had doubs about Islam and religion in general couple of years ago so I asked the learnt Muslims in my mosque and family, they had no answer. It was all blind faith, emotional blackmailing and threats of hell fire. I then started watching KZbin videos on varius different religions specially Christianity and to be honest I found Christianity really retarted. The idea of Trnity made me lose intrest in Christiniaty within few days. I did however like Buddhism and I do from time to time meditate.

[@juliewake4585]

He’s really not working class at all.

[@interman7715]

@@juliewake4585 His family were working class and his mom worked her bum off to put him through a good school .

[@tedgrant2]

If time had a beginning, there was no "before" when God existed for eternity. If God has no time, then that explains why he never gets anything done. It's only logical.

[@tedgrant2]

@@phantomwalker8251 Oh yes, I have said that many times, but not using the same words of course. Good work.

[@tedgrant2]

@@phantomwalker8251 Time is one Hell of a tricky problem for theology, especially for the "deep thinkers". They want to believe that the god of Israel created everything, including time. They also want to believe that the god of Israel has existed for ever (before he created time !). In the back of their little minds, they suspect those two ideas do not sit well together.

[@phantomwalker8251]

@@tedgrant2 religion is a business.TAX FREE. id ban religion,take all there money,valuables,& re distribute it to all the dumb sheep they sucked in.

[@phantomwalker8251]

@@tedgrant2 free speech is illegal,funny,no one told me..

[@ngcastronerd4791]

Turek's insistence on using scientific knowledge and thus reason, to explain something that is based in faith. Is an exercise in mental gymnastics that is something to behold. Faith is belief without evidence and thus is contrary to reason itself. They want to convince themselves and everyone else that they can coexist.

[@soundmman1516]

WOW! Little Franky got HITCHSLAPPED!!

[@besetfree5752]

Soundmman Oh really is that why Hitchens can't even look at him in the eye? It's cause he knows he falls short and fills the gaps with sarcastic BS.

[@antoniofiammelli1792]

Soundmman who got bitch slapped , your main man got whacked by who God himself , you are sad example for your kids kissing Devils ass

[@Sleeplessnightstc]

Antonio Fiammelli Why speak big word in big sentence when small word in small sentence do trick?

[@NYCBG]

@ Antonio Flammelli : Torquemada likes this.

[@tapowatchorn8286]

​@@besetfree5752 You surrendered your right to an opinion when you surrendered to a myth without any proof whatsoever. You can't even make your own choices and determine your own morality, what value can your opinion possibly have?

[@richardbryan6134]

The "creator" must be personal? Really Frank? It must?

[@xxMrBaldyxx]

Christ Lives - Religious nonsense. Nothing you have said makes any sense at all.

[@tobos8909]

"If there's no heaven or hell, why not just commit all the crime you want?" If you're so sure there's a hell, why bother with the judicial system for criminals in the first place?

[@teamatfort444]

or, if hes sure theres a heaven why not commit all the crimes one wants to then just repent afterwords and your fine!

[@cliffgaither]

Heaven or hell, existing or not, has nothing to do w / people committing any crimes they want ... it has to do w / personal morality ; w / personal standards of right vs wrong. People make personal choices based on their character & personality. They're not thinking about Heaven or Hell.

[@jesushad12gayfriendwhoallb50]

@@cliffgaither personal morality literally Any sin is forgivable except not believing in a fairytale

[@cliffgaither]

@@jesushad12gayfriendwhoallb50 By "fairytale", do you mean believing in Heaven or Hell or Jesus ? AND where does it read in the Bible, that Jesus had intimate relations w / his Disciples 😄.

[@jesushad12gayfriendwhoallb50]

@@cliffgaither by fairytale I mean the Bible and god. And buddy my usernames a joke

[@olivertyndale8769]

Atheism doesn't take away your pain... Just your hope

[@olivertyndale8769]

We live a few years, earn money, get sick, fight, tired, depressed then we die and that's it... Some existence

[@jesushad12gayfriendwhoallb50]

@@olivertyndale8769 you must live a very sad life if that is how you view life?

[@joaoxavier3687]

Brave, funny and inspiring Mr hitchens, I will talk about you till the end of my life

[@MgtowRubicon]

Freedom of Speech means that NOBODY has the right NOT to be offended. By the way, just because you are offended, that doesn't mean you are right.

[@raymondphillips7107]

In my opinion life has no definite "purpose" I think it's up to each individual person to find his or her own "purpose" that's why so many people struggle with the question of life. Ones " purpose" may be entirely different from everyone else's conceived notion of a purpose,but that doesn't make him or her wrong.

[@razony]

Did Frank Turek graduate past the 6th grade?

[@ZackMaddox-gd1zk]

Yeah, but he just read the Bible instead of his textbooks 😂😂

[@razony]

@@ZackMaddox-gd1zk That's funny... and probably true.

[@humbleevidenceaccepter7712]

"What Best Explains Reality: Rejection of unsubstantiated mythologies or the belief in them?

[@drlegendre]

The universe is not eternal - but it has existed for all of time.

[@AnalogueInTheUK]

Turek is full of BS - He equates talking quickly with intelligence.

[@renlamomtsopoe]

Like?

[@charley_davidson]

When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It only affects the people around you. It is the same when you are stupid. I have never listened to or read anything by anyone that makes such utter sense as Christopher Hitchens. His eloquence and calm demeanour in every debate I watch here is inspiring. I completely agree with a previous comment about that idiot Turek. You can hear the exasperation and tension in his voice when Christopher simply won't blindly accept his flawed reasoning.

[@davidhamilton5893]

Religion. "How can I get that money from your pocket into mine." Sheep.

[@MgtowRubicon]

Asking "what is the purpose of life?" is implying that life exists for a purpose, rather than life exists because of physics. It is like asking what is the purpose of nuclear fusion in a star? Nuclear fusion is simply a consequence of physics.

[@exhainca]

The guy on the left is a spectacular hack. Very average and frankly quite nutty.

[@ericscaillet2232]

And the guy on the right is nothing more than a hedonist nut job.

[@phantomwalker8251]

notice the god preacher has a 1k suit,but chris is in his work clothes.more money in religion.who,s the richest person on earth,??.THE FUKN POPE.

[@zaxbitterzen2178]

Frank Turek is surprisingly impulsive for a guy who is supposed to be giving credibility to his field via an intellectual position. He's constantly losing his temper, convoluting his own statement's, and his retort's are rather childish.

[@FeiHuWarhawk]

He does not know what the hell 2nd Law of Thermodynamics means !

[@riquelmeone]

There is no need to debate, this Frank guy has made a complete fool of himself

[@jbthesfm]

Frank Turek is insane.

[@federicoaguilar7610]

Second 0:00. Frank Turek, if you have a 1 and a 2, how many numbers are there in between? Infinitely many. So, saying "if there were an infinite number of moments before today, today never would have gotten here" isn't a sound argument. Calculus wouldn't work either, using Turek's reasoning.

[@brianalmeida1964]

There appears to be a lot of Special Pleading Fallacies going on here!

[@dragonxx77]

Turek is a professional circle speaker speaking in circles & making sense to only him & his followers

[@crsmith9988]

Hitchens always wins... Turek cannot think outside of the box because he has been brainwashed... and therefore suffers from constipation.

[@renlamomtsopoe]

Constipation?

[@a.chowdhury6784]

When Einstein said human stupidity is infinite, he must have had "Frank Turek" in mind 😂😂😂

[@catherinethomas1977]

Perfectly said! LOL.

[@jillcollins8424]

Corny

[@comunistanuncatemcomida]

Turek: I give you the two sides atheist and theist to proof God exist Christopher: I have a great accent to make me look smart

[@jesushad12gayfriendwhoallb50]

@@comunistanuncatemcomida what?

[@Jessiejam-44]

Lol… Perfect!!!

[@alexanderblake3569]

How do people claim to know what God thinks? This is the bit I struggle with. Because he’s only talking to like, 5 people I know and the rest of us don’t get the message directly.

[@CrayolaTwistable]

1:37 "I wouldnt want to push myself forward" lol

[@SoCalBoyy]

What is the name of this university? That name is going to the list of univerities to avoid. They were asking the same question over and over again @ 8:20

[@ren775]

Too many of these kids dont actually have a question. They just want the spotlight for 20 seconds . Not well phrased or even thought out. Good patience be the debaters..

[@damexipino]

“Second law of thermodynamics is the will of god…” 🤦🏻‍♂️ beautiful example of fallacious logic

[@hammer-r]

I love it when a nut tries to use logic of fairly tails to prove their worthless point. Science rules..

[@stevebrindle1724]

Me too, these religious morons are hilarious!

[@rkots2962]

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[@rkots2962]

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[@anepicflyingbrick_4872]

@@stevebrindle1724 nope

[@ejaygood]

How can someone say what we believe is worthless? You are too blind to see reason.

[@mandyshanks2327]

Everyone wants Christopher’s opinions because he makes sense. The other religious guy demonstrates a demented fool. Christopher accepts the unknown, accepts the beauty of life. The other guy knows everything, which proves he knows nothing.

[@anesatipili3873]

The Mediator is very biased.

[@bradendredge8792]

RIGHT? He keeps cutting BOTH short. At least let them finish their thoughts, GEEZ.

[@BullzOfSteel]

If u look at the response time for both, Chris is spending sooooo much more time answering

[@chrisdaldy-rowe4978]

@ Bruce Yes it seems they are only allowing for smart Q & A hey :)

[@AreMullets4AustraliansOnly]

Bruce Cubbage seems to me that much of the time Frank simply makes short points which is why he appears to have such limited time

[@lifeofbob2896]

So is this a fair summary: The second law of thermodynamics can never be violated, therefore there must be an entity that violates that law?

[@williamlee1245]

From all I've listened and watched from Hitchens, I must say it is entertaining and amusing when he says the purpose of life, what brings him happiness, is irony and the suffering of others, but that kind of response is quite the disservice for those who really want to hear about how atheists can live a good and meaningful life.

[@phantomwalker8251]

we do,we search out b/s & have a good laugh at there expense.suffering of others could mean all you fools that are waiting all your life,for response from a person that doesnt exist.so they all just wasted there life,going to church,talking shit,smiling,ignoring facts from anyone else.&,not even bothering to research,where religion came from,or does that go against gods teachings..watch,george carlin,on religion,.comedian..RIP. [[ i know who where & when,we were created. ]]..not hard to find..

[@wildblueyonder8436]

Can anyone explain to me what Hitchens means by Johnny walker and "cut" with perrier?

[@stevenhird1837]

David McGinness yes he means whiskey and water

[@wildblueyonder8436]

I know, but does that mean perrier on the side, mixed in with it, little dash of perrier on top?

[@tonedeafduck4859]

"If time were infinite we could never get to were we are today" Sure we could. There can be any number of points at any number of locations on a line of infinite length. Nothing would prohibit this. Note he never gives evidence for any claim he makes. Just makes shit up and runs with it.

[@anepicflyingbrick_4872]

Uh no, if there are infinite number of days, how could you traverse that infinite number of days and get to today?? How can you have an infinite number of days when we have a present, that means that the infinite comes to an end.

[@anepicflyingbrick_4872]

Bob Rabbins actually no, it is one the the arguments that most scientists, atheist and theist, use to point out that there isn’t an infinite number of days. Besides, the Big Bang proves the universe isn’t eternal so that philosophical statement turned out to be true.

[@jesushad12gayfriendwhoallb50]

@@anepicflyingbrick_4872 so god needs a creator. Glad we agree.

[@richiejohnson]

At 6:12 who is the person that he refers to, as having said that one of the pleasures of Heaven is observing the suffering of those in hell?

[@michaelnewzealand1888]

Tertullian. 2nd century theologian and convert to Christianity. Brought in Greek philosophy to the church and was an early proponent of eternal conscious torment of unbelievers, which by the way is both unbiblical and unethical. As a Christian I actually sympathise with Hitch's views on this matter.

[@gbickell]

Turek - a man continually out of his depth

[@AFMMD-q8]

I would have paid to see Frank Turek being shred to bits talking “Thermodynamics Laws” with someone like Lawrence Krauss or Carl Sagan.

[@bradendredge8792]

1:20 Well dang, Turek had a point going before he was INTERRUPTED. Turek said that science currently shows that the universe could only expand. Turek also said that God has the power to change anything in the universe, even start another big bang. There's no contradiction. As much as another big bang is a manifestation of God's power, so is the lack thereof and the continuance of the current conditions.

[@baileyduvall01]

You missed the point. That would explain god on its own. Thermodynamics contradicts another Big Bang happening from nothing. It would be supernatural

[@hackenbollox]

As for your assessment of our responsibility, I concur completely. The golden rule, however you wish to frame it, is the nearest thing to an objective morality that can exist, with or without a deity.

[@TillThenPlease]

Jesus Christ..... When Frank speaks, I feel like my brain loses intelligence.

[@joshuahand407]

Funny, when Hitchens speaks I feel smarter.

[@jesushad12gayfriendwhoallb50]

@@joshuahand407 that makes sense when you listen to smart people you start to become more intelligent

[@hackenbollox]

That's not the same argument you mentioned in your previous comment. In this case, the argument is that if someone is going to suggest that believers are more moral, then they have to answer the challenge 'name a moral action undertaken of a moral statement made by a believer that could not be made by a non-believer'. This is not a strawman, but a valid response to the assertion that only believers can be moral.

[@Steadno]

Hitchens wins again!

[@brunotvrs]

Black Label with Perrier (water) as delivery system followed by 2 bottles of pinot noir, also keeping food intake up. That might be transcendental!

[@scarfhs1]

The universe has not existed for etermity but it has existed for all time.

[@tedgrant2]

I quite see the distinction. And what, if anything, can we conclude. We know the universe is only 13.8 billion years old, which is young by God's standard. What on earth did he do all that time before he lit the fuse ?

[@scarfhs1]

@@tedgrant2 Getting planning permission and waiting fior the skip to arrive.

[@tedgrant2]

@@scarfhs1 Can you hear me chuckling ?

[@77555kuyt]

Who really knows? Who will here proclaim it? Whence was it produced? Whence is this creation? The gods came afterwards, with the creation of this universe. Who then knows whence it has arisen?"

[@tedgrant2]

@@77555kuyt The pillars of the earth are the Lord's and he hath set the world upon them. The pillars of Heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof. I've stood all that I can stands, cuz i can't stands n'more. Where's the entrance to the exit ?

[@billhicks8]

I agree. And of course we are now facing the clear difference in perception and understanding here between the godly and the scientific. The simple statement: 'I can find no evidence to say there is x, so I shall not live my life as if x exists' is incomprehensible or unsatisfying to a theist. So we get misinterpretations about needing proof of absence, or not knowing being merely equivalent to agnosticism. Constant muddying of the issue which is so tiresome.

[@heitorqueiroz9364]

Hitchens priceless!

[@jennyhughes4474]

There is no purpose to life on earth in general - we (humans) all create our own purpose/s and often have them imposed on us by society. Survival is a basic instinct for all life on earth (I know nothing about lives elsewhere, of course there is) = that is plenty enough.

[@punt0023]

Wow. That Frank guy is nothing more than just a raving lunatic.

[@jayonenote7527]

He's a man who would happily torture and put people to death to support his belief

[@captainjack8319]

The comment section is compelling. There’s a lot of profound confidence driven from pre-supposed assumptions.

[@studio-flash]

@5:00 as ive always stated..in other words..all religion is fascism.

[@JOHNDELGADO2024jdtrading]

Turek again was destroy by the Hitch we miss you HITCH you were our warrior

[@ginokwick6057]

Frank loses - but nice hair!

[@drrobotnik999]

I wish hitchens had asked turek why he thinks that our emotions aren't the result of chemical reactions in our brains. I'm sure that there are a lot of extremely intelligent scientists studying the brain and the human mind who would love to know what Turek appears to know about the non-chemical nature of our emotions. Being scientists, I'm sure these people would also be interested in knowing HOW turek has acquired this information.

[@fdakis]

Turek is embarrassing.

[@Studentofgosset]

Turek seems to take it as a personal affront that Hitchens was replying to his points

[@dpginthehouse]

Hitchens with his British accent looks smarter than his opponent.

[@cmomofilm]

+dpginthehouse That and his intelligence.

[@billhicks8]

All good. Just been looking at your Africa vlogs and subscribed. Didn't realise you were a kiwi, I spent 16 years of my life as a JAFA (I suppose you know what that stands for over there). Keep your vids coming.

[@nikanaughty]

The Frank guy should rethink his ideas.

[@waggishsagacity7947]

Does Turek have ideas? Is Turek capable of thinking, much less, rethinking? So there.

[@martindurkin8837]

"If there were an infinite number of moments before today, today never would have gotten here." The gentleman is wrong in his assertion. Time does not coddle man's vanity for lack of a more long winded explanation. Einstein's writings imply that time was something malleable given man's ability to find reason in it. I think it is much more fluid and impartial as to where we fit in.

[@anepicflyingbrick_4872]

Om no, you can't traverse an infinite number of days and get to today. The present disproves infinite

[@phantomwalker8251]

all,the old scholers,?.spell check.??..from before capernicus ect.knew,what & where we came from,time,universe,ect..but,like einstien,had to kurb there meanings,findings,or die..this,is why we are still struggling with all this missinformation that keeps being rammed down our throats.we have been on earth for millions of yrs,if some retard didnt invent religion,we would be flying around stars by now,,kept us dumb for thousands of yrs in the name of god..

[@MrWordbeliever]

This whole debate clearly shows that there is no seed in the knowledge of good and evil. There is only seed in love. Just like Jesus Christ tells and showed us. Furthermore: fysical and scientific evidence of Gods existence will make all faith unnecessary. How much faith does one need for something that is seen ?

[@thevannmann]

Stupid religious nut.

[@TheGlobuleReturns]

Get yourself to the psychiatrist. Asap.

[@GrapeFruit524]

physical*

[@IamKnucks]

Why is that bad? We should strive to have as much knowledge as possible, and as little faith as possible.

[@salt3211]

Jesus Christ

[@Mike3303]

Turek just opened up the greatest flaw in the theist's viewpoint. They claim that the uniformity of the universe and its succinctness proves an intelligent designer, then state that not only can the designer violate these laws, but HAS violated them. Deists could get away with this, however. Theists, not so much.

[@michaelphiffer23]

The mediator is clearly biased, Christopher will talk for 2 minutes straight, yet when Frank talks he cuts him off after 10 seconds...

[@rickb.4168]

That’s being Christian too Frank.

[@xxMrBaldyxx]

Turek doesn't have anything meaningful to say anyway. The less he speaks, the better.

[@sternwheeler]

michaelphiffer23, some people do not suffer fools lightly…

[@Tobytrim]

Apologies to Hitchens. On the comment boxes of the previous part of this vid, I backhandedly criticized him for not demeaning Turek on his ad hoc and irrational use of the law of entropy. Of course he pretty much did on the beginning of this one.

[@randylothrop975]

I don't think Frank realizes that infinity isn't a number, it's a concept. There are infinite measurements between 1 inch and 2 inches. You can have infinite time between two points of time because infinity isn't a number. Frank is saying it's impossible to have infinite time between two points of time because he doesn't understand what infinity means.

[@jacobgalloway9123]

I would be curious to know if Frank knows what any of the other laws of thermodynamics are, and if he can dishonesty try to use them to validate his cult.

[@lionofjudahlambofgod9132]

Lern to tipe be4 you try to look intellijent.

[@jesushad12gayfriendwhoallb50]

@@lionofjudahlambofgod9132 damn it’s almost like it’s easy to misclick when you’re typing

[@hackenbollox]

Interesting that you should say that. I have given this a lot of thought for many years. I don't know where you extracted that 'majority' from, but it certainly isn't reflected in the credulous that I interact with, and I interact with a lot of them. Indeed, the posterboy for the credulous, Kalamity Craig, makes precisely this argument all the time. In any event, the question in this instance was framed in response to a questioner from the audience.

[@punnet2]

1:22 - the "current" laws of nature? As opposed to the previous ones?

[@paullever3713]

Don’t think Frank!...you not equipped well enough.

[@lawrenceeason8007]

I so miss Hitchens. But we have some great atheist spokesman today

[@billhicks8]

'where do we get authority to call something bad?' You can see why this question might come across as confusing if it is worded in such a way. My guess is Hitchens might respond as usual: 'Not from god, but from a sense of human solidarity required for the current and continued survival of our species' Turek just follows: 'Where did the solidarity come from?' I'd ask him: What do you think Turek: 'God' Me: Where did he come from then? ...and so the cycle would continue