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Snowfall Season 5, Episode 8.
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In season five of Snowfall, Franklin (Damson Idris) and family are rich beyond their wildest dreams and on the verge of having everything they've wanted as the ground begins to fall out from beneath their feet. The streets of South Central Los Angeles have never been so dangerous, but the biggest threat the family faces are each other as they try not to let greed, resentment and ego tear them all apart.
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[@johnanthony2333]

"Even if you do understand, it doesn't make a difference" - Franklin That's one of the coldest lines in the whole series

[@blvsphemy8233]

And he was fuckin right...

[@tango216.]

Folks with money think just like that

[@tango216.]

I just listened to that and I don't understand

[@YushinRyu100]

@@tango216.because it doesnt make difference. Don’t run in circles

[@Shoopyism]

@@tango216. because even if he did understand where they was coming from it was already too late the damage he did can't be undone

[@nicegyrl1]

Damson Idris deserves the world. Incredible performance, even acted the pauses. Love how he pays attention to detail without saying anything

[@AshaNimo1]

The fact that he's British in real life is shocking 😂 his American accent is so pure

[@bretttruesdell2437]

Dudes acting in Snowfall is Denzel type acting. He's killin it 🙌

[@mykchek7]

1st Class Actor

[@carlwilliams7625]

He's an excellent actor. He goes beyond acting. You can feel the anger, the greed everything from this acting. Oh and he isn't American...

[@Pablo-lv3ub]

The next Denzel

[@knauxu]

This scene hits different after the series finale...great show.

[@deledaijohnson8458]

Yes omg I'm like 😲😲😲😲😲 wow

[@hanzo1917]

@Deledai Johnson bro im almost done😂😂

[@rngunit3586]

@@hanzo1917 keep watching man shi gets good (even tho u prob finished by now since its 4 days later)😂

[@hanzo1917]

@@rngunit3586 😂😂i did ....the ending What did they do to my guy Franklin 😕

[@mr.bear-facts7396]

After watching the finale it made me wonder did he ever completely recovered from that LSD trip.?

[@EAC1993]

This scene hits so different now. And it also shows deep down inside Franklin knew everything was gonna happen. “The white man ain’t your problem, not yet” “They don’t see it that way and they never will. And you don’t see it theirs. That’s why this whole things about to fall apart.” “Even if you do understand, it doesn’t make a difference.” All those lines hit like a ton of bricks now

[@kevinmorrison6642]

Yep, after the final episode and watching this scene again, it's almost as if he's talking to his future self.

[@EAC1993]

@@kevinmorrison6642 right? His conscience knew all along

[@Tes7000]

Franklin was talking to his *higher self.* This whole conversation hit hard, but that last line in particular -- "Even if you do understand, it doesn't make a difference" -- was chilling, because Franklin didn't know that at the very moment Franklin was hallucinating this conversation, Teddy was at Franklin's house taking pictures of all of Franklin's financial information to give to the asset recovery guy. When Teddy reappeared in season 5, he killed Grady, and then told Franklin to sell Grady's house and then give him (Teddy) the money. It was CIA standard operating procedures for mules who had strayed out of boundaries or outlived their usefulness -- disposal and then recovery of their assets by the CIA. Franklin just wasn't paying attention.

[@Money_era]

@@kevinmorrison6642 foreshadowing at its best

[@hotboxyay9029]

@@Tes7000 I believe this also supports my theory that Teddy was 100% going to kill Franklin and had no intentions of actually giving him the money back.

[@svilenvasilev3819]

“BODIES! BODIES! BODIES! BODIES!”

[@tango216.]

You gotta have spit flyin outta the corner of your mouth

[@keemthelame9597]

Now I want to know how many people he killed after this scene.

[@Jedi-Master-Plo-Koon]

@@keemthelame9597 many

[@CronosGolden]

When a man is alone with his thoughts, this is what we imagine.

[@johnwerner69]

I hope not

[@mohamedmowlidzooweebama4766]

If your thoughts instill fear/dread in you, they’re not really your thoughts. Everything about the human body is for its own betterment.

[@1989deejay]

The foreshadowing in this show is amazing. Rewatching this scene after season 6 definitely hits different.

[@Tes7000]

Totally. The last line in this video hits the hardest. Franklin wasn't really getting what he should have out of this hallucinated conversation, but at the very moment this was going on, Teddy was at Franklin's house taking pictures of his financial documents. The fix was already in.

[@jonathanhamlet1942]

Facts

[@Igetsitin89]

​@Tes7000 how you know that Teddy was there ?

[@zmadmac3163]

This hits way harder and i mean way harder after the finale, ''he never cared about anybody but himself''. Franklin became the thing he hated most. Gonna miss this show.

[@deledaijohnson8458]

Yes preach

[@tb2957]

He was talking about his Dad tho

[@mwdouglas3794]

​@t b2 Franklin straight up became his dad at the end though.

[@stompgrounds]

@@mwdouglas3794 imo I think he became worse

[@AlienonEarthC-137]

this one worth watching? been tryna get into new shoes

[@Benjamin-fc9ww]

“They don’t see it that way and you don’t see it theirs” 😢🥶🥶

[@monstrum5211]

"And that's why this whole things...about fall apart.." His subconscious begging him to listen to reason 🥶🎉

[@eastxsidexswagg]

The most important scene in the whole series. You can deny and run from everything but yourself. Everywhere you turn, there you are.

[@Saint0999]

Fantastic way to put it

[@Jedi-Master-Plo-Koon]

Good thing I don’t have an ego cuz I’m already a little crazy I could only imagine my evil self probably a dc villain in real life

[@EmptyMan000]

@@Jedi-Master-Plo-Koon Everyone has an ego. It's a part of the human psyche. A sense of self. Whether that ego is narcissistic or self-absorbed, is a different matter.

[@ANGRYLITTLEMVTHER]

Facts

[@ugoeze7360]

Director: how many bodies? Damson: yes. Franklin: more.

[@dfgk_tigga]

😂😂😂

[@Blaineronie]

How many more bodies? -more bodies

[@joelemaine]

He replaced Brick by Brick with Bodies, Bodies, Bodies

[@jagwit_damag7018]

L take that made no sense

[@gentry908]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@-LowResDream]

@@jagwit_damag7018 if it makes no sense how can you say its an L take? You don’t understand it so how can you judge it? Make it make sense.

[@maniacidee]

@@-LowResDream yk…… even if u do understand it doesn’t make a difference

[@crnbeeftin2097]

@@maniacidee good one

[@Bleh67420]

The slight screw up before he said Khadija was a stroke of genius by the Director for keeping it in. The delivery is just so insanely well-paced and articulated that it made an impossibility of a conversation almost believable. Damson is incredibly talented.

[@atari9477]

Ye the screw up makes it more natural..

[@tb2957]

What screw up?

[@Bleh67420]

@@tb2957 he stumbles when he says Khadija and it’s absolutely perfect.

[@zippo5294]

I noticed it as well and it’s indeed genius

[@AlienonEarthC-137]

@@Bleh67420it does indeed add to the scene, i think, in my opinion, had they not left that in, or included it and just reshot the scene, it maybe wouldn’t have hit as hard

[@dimitriwhite469]

Deeper than you realize , the ego and the subconscious are powerful things great scene 🔥

[@JoyMoneyyy]

Skully said only when we let go of who will we walk the higher path 👏🏽

[@KINGLYON20]

You so right sometimes I’m doing the something I be doing when I’m alone

[@SmilingEspressoMachine-wr6ss]

True facts

[@djc4080]

Amazing scene The conflict within Franklin has always been the backbone of the show. Damson Idris should get an Emmy for this season.

[@Thatguy-bz7dl]

Nah, damson idris' acting and this season as a whole was pretty weak in comparison to season 1 to 3(peak snowfall); this scene was great tho

[@stevenwhiters8928]

He carried suspect writing this season

[@bretttruesdell2437]

This scene is iconic. The way he talks to himself on acid and acknowledges his mistakes. Young Denzel in this scene 💯

[@jonathanhamlet1942]

Best acting in the series right here, this shows why Damson Idris is such a brilliant actor!! 🔥🔥🔥

[@tb2957]

He showed out

[@dontrah1838]

Stop praising liars

[@jonathanhamlet1942]

@@dontrah1838 we speaking facts!

[@dontrah1838]

@@jonathanhamlet1942 this show was very mid

[@jonathanhamlet1942]

@@dontrah1838 yeah I respectfully and completely disagree but your opinion is your opinion

[@SithLordNefaar022]

"The white man ain't your problem.... *not yet."* That was ominous af to me cuz now that problem *IS* coming with Teddy 😔

[@swerv8809]

& he knew it, which is why it was in his sub conscience

[@KDShaolinMenace]

Yikes CIA problems

[@king123883]

@@KDShaolinMenace mm lol uouououp you ok o pop plllpl

[@jacob.forrest_]

The Contra scandal is about to unravel and the War on Drugs is about to hit high gear.

[@SithLordNefaar022]

@@jacob.forrest_ in the words of a wise man *"We're in the endgame now."* 💯💯💯💯

[@HolisticHunce]

“Your fear made the worst thing dad did come true for you ”. the foreshadowing in this show is crazy. Not only can this statement be interpreted as Franklin exhibiting his dads flaws like being selfish and truly tunnel visioned. This phrase can also be alluding to his untimely demise at the end of the show. “ your fear” maybe franklins subconscious was referring to franklins reluctance towards alcohol throughout the show, His disagreement to drugs diving into his relationship with sobriety influenced by the image of his father. Seeing him addicted at the beginning of the show and vowing to never become like that but unfortunately he does. Why? because of greed, selfishness and the tunnel visioned mindset he saw in his father but was to blind to see in himself which ultimately birthed his downfall and full circled himself to become the thing he feared the most… his father. Maybe him becoming a addict was his karma, karma for birthing addicts to begin with.

[@Saint0999]

U got it

[@hiranom20]

Also: the irony is that he was becoming more and more addicted as the show progressed. To me the binge drinking in the end was just the end of the downward spiral. The true addiction was the money/power

[@qmpgaming6882]

I honestly lost count on how many times I replayed this scene. Hell of an actor!!!

[@raamthegreat5801]

The significance of “which is why this is all going to fall apart” and “Even if you do understand it doesn’t make a difference” *chef kiss*

[@Ryanair671]

1:38. CITY BOYS 🗣🗣🔊🔊

[@joshbanks3185]

Sensational

[@paulreyes6221]

Uh ha haaa ha ha ha

[@iamben9550]

that's why he is the GOAT ! The GOAT !

[@flasheleven3141]

It’s a evil world we live in

[@chico9805]

This thread is exquisite.

[@TheBlackKakashi]

In Franklins defense, Khadijah, Manboy, Lenny, and Carvel wasn’t his fault. They brought it on themselves.

[@bettercallkeylo]

Tiana was literally a child

[@TheBlackKakashi]

@@bettercallkeylo yeah. I didn’t mean to include her, or at least put the same amount of responsibility of an adult on a child

[@HoopingMotivational]

Tiana was jus chillin with moms in the backseat bro😭

[@darienwashington510]

Tiana was clearly an accident. Her mom had no business having her there in the first place.

[@prettyboymarley4063]

@@HoopingMotivational 😂😂😂

[@missjazz1010]

Came back here after the finale 😢 Franklin cared about no one but himself in the end & became someone he hated most: Alton.

[@darienwashington510]

Franklins biggest downfall was his naïveté and low key immaturity

[@sickinthehead7507]

I did the same thing 😅 I came back to this scene and his ego was right he didn't want to see the destruction that was coming all he cared about was making money as long as it benefit him. I wonder what his ego would say now or has he already predicted what was going to happen but it didn't matter.

[@slimeberettalil]

Ion think dats true cuz bro really tried to pick everybody on

[@hopoutsplitem]

@@slimeberettalil he only did that cause he needed them tho , people he didn’t need either got killed or he never fucked wit em in the first place

[@BenjiBanks98]

He cared bout Leon .. no one can tell me otherwise

[@hundohan3280]

I never watched one second of this show until seeing this clip right now. Guy is showing multiple levels in this scene. Will def binge the series

[@bonecold4387]

Look up "Snowfall car scene as well" very very powerful acting earlier in the series.

[@Cochise313]

Dude watch this show.

[@selenaphillips6971]

Please do. This shows will end in 2023.

[@yerrol1453]

Best show on tv I hope you started watching

[@desfromaroundtheway5292]

Did you watch it 👀👀👀

[@rashad0026]

One of the most pivotal scenes of the entire series. Amazing writing.

[@bretttruesdell2437]

Yes! The way he talks to himself on acid and is acknowledging his own mistakes, one side of the mind fighting the other. Mad respect for the writer and the actor in this scene 🔥

[@BSmitty4rm8Fitty]

With the way the finale played out, this scene hit a lot different.

[@Lonelyboiii31]

2:34 Hey that voice inside your head.... "Me vs Me" Sometimes you have to argue with yourself because of the decisions people do for others rather than their selves

[@whereisBH]

This episode was probably one of the best representations of a near ego death I’ve seen. Man’s tripped acid and faced his demons. 2 options under those circumstances. Face your demons and heal, or allow them to continue to rip your life apart.

[@zachzebuey8932]

You think teddy did damage to Franklin or did Franklin to it to himself?

[@whereisBH]

@@zachzebuey8932 a deal with the devil is gonna look like everything you ever wanted

[@zachzebuey8932]

@@whereisBH you think it was to late for Franklin to fix everything at this point? I’m curious

[@Saint0999]

He almost healed until Louie told him what she did and than had his $$$ stolen, he was almost there but that dropped him even lower

[@Saint0999]

@@zachzebuey8932both

[@Diggy22]

1:35 - 1:42 For some reason, that delivery gave me Kendrick Lamar vibes

[@ROD2446]

Me too 😂😭

[@patriatrypermana4123]

sounds like a verse from F*ck your ethnicity Oh and Damson Idris is a fan of K.Dot

[@zmx363]

He gonna use this as a sample now

[@xavierperez6739]

I think of GSH more than K. Dot

[@Mavrock954]

He's imitating A californian/compton accent and thats where Kendrick is from so maybe thats why lol

[@wyntonmohorn]

I really hope that the Television Academy has been watching Snowfall this season, because Damson Idris definitely deserves an Emmy Award. He has been great all season long. But this scene hits different. 👑💙

[@stretch21889]

Why did that Bodies line sound like a Kendrick Lamar line🔥

[@topshottamakonnen]

Well he said he studied Kendricks way of talking to get the cali accent right so it makes sense

[@superbad001992]

“ They don’t see it that way and they never will “ had go back to this scene after the finale

[@Testsubjex]

binge watched the whole 5 seasons in a week Damson Idris killed this role

[@kingwavyyt7395]

“Your life is my failure” hit different now

[@Reeny125]

This whole season has essentially been an Emmy reel for this talented young man. Really REALLY hoping he and Snowfall finally get some much deserved awards recognition soon! 🏆💪🏾

[@davidmckesey7119]

This show good?

[@bretttruesdell2437]

​@@davidmckesey7119 hella good

[@tb2957]

​@david mckesey it's great

[@_rashidisaiah]

One of the best scenes in the series

[@adamgordon2572]

This scene makes even more sense after the ending 🔥🔥

[@nofacenocase1361]

Οne of the best scenes and monologues ever because It's realistic your biggest enemy is yourself

[@squeek34ds]

One of the greatest scenes in TV history. 🔥 🔥

[@txxtvrnt]

Crazy how his other self predicted the worse for Franklin series finale hit hard

[@arriandixon7709]

That was a deep scene. Just about 99% of humans with a soul have spoken to themselves in this way before trying to figure out life the best way without creating problems or burning bridges. Just know when it comes to family it's deeper than anything else. Money won't solve 💯

[@Wedarealsinnas]

we all have a ego like your real name vs your nickname someones give you dats part of your ego me vs me is a constant battle in everyones lives

[@owenleal]

I get into it with myself like this everyday. I feel like theres two dudes living in my head. Me and the other fella.

[@ivangass7770]

This scene should've an deserved award for real

[@TopScalebyfrankhoward]

Loss for words how spectacular this scene was..all I can do is..Smh..simply brilliant..excellence..👏🏾👏🏾💯

[@Weekendwavves]

He really predicted his own downfall and still tried to deny it. I wonder how the next season is gonna go.

[@hboslime833]

Did you see the ending ?? 😂

[@jonathanneal1319]

His conscious knew how this series was gonna end faster than we did.

[@SinewRending]

​@@jonathanneal1319 **conscience.*

[@gm8402]

That fact that you can link this to the series finale 👌

[@booboo4ever24]

Bodies, bodies, bodies, Bodies

[@LeonGotGrahams]

This scene is absolute ART, but I can’t get over how he kind of sounds like Forest Whitaker on some words.

[@CronosGolden]

More like Denzel

[@KingGrim88]

Denzel and forest

[@user-ou5pt9hr6z]

“Even if you do understand.. it doesn’t make a difference..” 5 episodes left , and watching this back now gives me CHILLS. The forshadowing is beyond crazy

[@Tes7000]

Me too. It is especially relevant because at the very moment Franklin was having this hallucinated conversation, Teddy was at Franklin's house taking pictures of all of Franklin's financial documents. The fix was already in.

[@ivangass7770]

That right there was very very deep

[@AkatsukiToes]

Sounds like a young Denzel. You can hear it in some things he says. Great actor

[@ratedr7845]

He looks up to Denzel

[@garygilliard6025]

Please, give this young talented actor, his Emmy award now!!!

[@sheloveryan_]

this show is gunna age like breaking bad

[@Ugenesis2010]

I like to think that this is the Franklin from the season 3 finale from the alternate reality and how their different ideologies are clashing!!

[@ratedr7845]

That's just franklin from season 1

[@SnareMax90]

“The white man ain’t ya problem … not yet” 😤😤😤 crazy line Bro can’t say he didn’t think about it 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@miracon000fez]

Franklin literally tried to warn himself of his own downfall and didn't listen. Bro predicted his own future.

[@londonjennings9608]

That’s his subconscious and ego fighting each other man this scene was crazy💯💯we’ve all had our subconscious talking to us while we was fighting it with our ego and pride

[@nykelbrown9346]

“I dont know wtf you talkin about?” He knew exactly what he was talking about

[@vrokyoto]

i may be wrong but, when young franklin says "that's why this whole thing is about to fall apart" at 2:11 , I can almost see tears in his eyes, which just makes the scene even heavier emotionally, even franks deep subcounsoius is being ripped apart about what he knows is coming

[@kaigotkash1574]

The details in this show are crazy

[@teachmehacks]

just noticed this. Its crazy that the subconscious wants the best for you, but sometimes the reality is so far from that.

[@kaigotkash1574]

The closer we get to the end of the show. The more this scene hits

[@EkpyroticBounceHouse-DunderDan]

“Your life is my failure” this scene slaps so hard

[@gstqcomics2017]

That "OR ELSE"😂😂😂

[@flako2274]

This scene hit different now

[@freddiebrock6740]

This scene was preparing us for the last season. Saint's downfall. I came back to this scene after the final season

[@chrism6347]

After the finale this scene hits on a new level. Franklin beeeeeeen lost.

[@91vincelakers]

Yep even himself knew it,he knew it was all falling apart. Louie going behind his back just put the icing on the cake.

[@mn.q.7]

Damson deserves an oscar award. He is very talented 🤩

[@eastbluedrew1664]

KILLED THIS SCENE

[@devantehampton2389]

This scene is legendary

[@paulstreibig6147]

This hits different now

[@garcel1251]

“Your life is my failure “ sound like his momma in the end…. This whole scene was a break down of what became of Franklin ultimately.

[@icey984]

I love a good self reflection scene.

[@CorleoneWhooly]

“The white man ain’t ya problem” Atleast not yet.. That line is so profound a lot of y’all missed the gem He dropped

[@Sunshine134chick]

Facts 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@lorddj9910]

76 million 😂

[@babygeeter]

“ you let the worse thing dad did come true for you”

[@xtheerobjames3376]

After the final episode…this scene just hits that much harder

[@hotboxyay9029]

This reminds me of when Tony Soprano’s dreams were often warnings about his real life situations.

[@Jposey]

Same

[@djgreene5440]

I was thinking the same exact thing

[@MikeColeWorld]

This was by far the best episode of the entire series.

[@beansownsu]

what season and episode

[@MikeColeWorld]

@@beansownsu season 5 episode 8

[@Lofty-Baby]

@@beansownsuseason 5 episode 8

[@lpt216]

And fall apart it did. Seeing how the show ended and rewatching this! 🤯

[@billionairenow81]

Ive watched this scene at least 20 times back to back.. incredible!!

[@zippo5294]

I can’t stop watching it

[@billionairenow81]

@@zippo5294 fire

[@nykelbrown9346]

U know it’s bad when your innerself manifests in front of u

[@bluepillar355]

That bodies bodies bodies part is gold ❤

[@MenisXTO]

Imma just say it since no one else is *BODIES! BODIES! BODIES! BODIES!*

[@bruceking7416]

Greatest Snowfall scene ever

[@papaadot9369]

The ending is the best

[@vestupnext]

just the finished the series finale & it’s crazy how much foreshadow is in this scene definitely one of the best tv series of all time 💯

[@Ealdorman_of_Mercia]

A masterpiece of a show.

[@gfunkmadness]

This episode reminds me a lot of the tripped out dream sequences in the sopranos

[@miamiles7996]

This is one of the best scenes ever

[@koamisking]

DUDE GIVE THIS GUY A GRAMMY!!!!

[@jayday325]

Emmy

[@sickinthehead7507]

Or a golden globe

[@chrisking4121]

That boi played the hell outta that. Might just be a legend one day fasho peace and love

[@Ayo_Mir]

This was such a good scene, gave me chills the first time I watched it.

[@elijahedwards9160]

Powerful acting in this scene

[@sculptureofsound2]

This man deserves all the awards

[@DionnaHayden]

Skully gave Franklin the gift of perspective. Too bad Franklin didn’t yield

[@maverickmic]

He did, it's why he accepted Louie making a move on Kane and taking the connect. It was what happened next and his decisions that were the problem

[@Saint0999]

@@maverickmicna. He kinda did which is why after this he apologized to louie n all that, but as this version of Franklin says “ even if u do understand, it doesn’t make a difference ” bc Franklins decisions as well as the consequences caught up to him by then. Teddy stole his money Louie went behind bud back And bc of that Franklin fell deeper into that while we thought he was gonna get himself out of with this scene here

[@user-dr1rp4ss2w]

I haven't seen acting this good since Heath Ledger as the Joker

[@charleshopkins224]

One of the greatest acting scenes ever. masterful.

[@nonnayurbuzness8107]

That was a brilliant piece of acting...

[@urban.boy.o1o]

He's acting is right there on point. ¡What an actor! 🎉😏

[@Noah20340]

I love this show. Season 5 was great and I know season 6 will be legendary

[@lifereaper75]

I have never watched this show. After this scene I feel compelled to. What an amazing performance.

[@ladyc09]

This scene is 🔥chefs kiss

[@Cousinskeeter96]

u watch Dave

[@DaNewWaveLee]

People saying this season isn’t as good as the other. I just lol at that completely.

[@robertnsappjr5750]

this scene foreshadow his end of the series that people show true color and his end game of ultimate lost.

[@carrastealth]

1:36 LeBron trying to find pieces to trade for Kyrie and KD. Also Great acting performance!

[@altonvails666]

I see what you did there 🤣

[@spacecadet_cru]

This doppelganger looks 10x better than the flash doppelganger 🤣🔥

[@tracyhudson5719]

This man is SOOOO talented!!! PERIODT! ❤