Franz Liszt: Titan of the Piano

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0:00 Introduction
0:33 I: A Hungarian Wunderkind
4:54 II: Paganini of the Piano
11:43 III: Duel of the Virtuosi
19:43 IV: Lisztomania
26:41 V: Change of Course
32:26 VI: Music of the Future
51:52 VII: The Wittgenstein Affair
57:09 VIII: The Abbé
1:05:08 IX: The Late Music
1:14:50 X: The Last Years
1:18:22 XI: Liszt’s Legacy
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📚 Sources/further reading:
“Franz Liszt: Musician, Celebrity, Superstar” by Oliver Hilmes, trans. Stewart Spencer (Yale, 2016)
“The Liszt Companion,” by Ben Arnold (ed.), James Deaville, Klára Hamburger, Marilyn Kielniarz, Jay Rosenblatt, Michael Saffle, Charles Suttoni, Kristin Wendland, and William Wright (Greenwood, 2002)
“Analecta Lisztiana III: Liszt and the Birth of Modern Europe: Music as a Mirror of Religious, Political, Cultural, and Aesthetic Transformations” by Ben Arnold, Jean-Pierre Bartoli, Marco Beghelli, Paul Bertagnolli, Paulo Bidoli, Rossana Dalmonte (ed.), James Deaville, Zsuzsanna Dominos, William Drabkin, Maurizio Giani, Mary Sue Morrow, Pauline Pocknell, Egidio Pozzi, Cornelia Szabó-Knotik, Michael Saffle (ed.), and Michael Short (Pendragon, 1998)
“Liszt and Virtuosity” by Robert Doran (ed.), Nicolas Dufetel, Jonathan Dunsby, Kenneth Hamilton, David Keep, Jonathan Kregor, Ralph P. Locke, Shay Loya, Dolores Pesce, Jim Samson, and Olivia Sham (University of Rochester, 2020)
“Two-Dimensional Sonata Form: Form and Cycle in Single-Movements Instrumental Works by Liszt, Strauss, Schoenberg, and Zemlinsky” by Steven Vande Moortele (Leuven University, 2009)
“Recital” by William Weber (Grove Music Online, 2001): tinyurl.com/weber-recital
“Transformation, thematic” by Hugh Macdonald (Grove Music Online, 2001): tinyurl.com/thematic-trans
“A Study of Franz Liszt’s Concepts of Changing Tonality as Exemplified in Selected “Mephisto” Works” by Jung-Ah Kim (DMA diss., UNT, 1999): tinyurl.com/lisztdiss-1
“The Key Characteristics of Franz Liszt’s Late Piano Works” by Mei Li (DMA diss., UK, 2018): tinyurl.com/lisztdiss-2
“Franz Liszt: The Sonata in B Minor as Spiritual Autobiography” by Jonathan David Keener (DMA diss., JMU, 2011): tinyurl.com/lisztdiss-3
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Music (by Liszt/on IMSLP unless noted)
- La leggierezza from 3 Études de concert, perf. Peter Bradley-Fulgoni: tinyurl.com/leggierezza
- Thomas Little: Dance! #2, perf. Rachel Fellows, Michael King, and Bruce Tippette
- La Chasse and Quasi presto from Grandes études de Paganini, perf. Gabriel Antonio Hernandez Romero & Ivan Kiveldi, respectively: tinyurl.com/Grandesetudes
- John Williams: Duel of the Fates, perf. KZbinr “Unlimited Piano” [original upload: 77cIHOU9SjE]
- Ballade No.2, perf. Martina Filjak: tinyurl.com/lisztballade
- Grandes études, VIII, perf. KZbinr “Nuages” [original upload: LKqXFz_NNAE]
- Études d'exécution transcendante, VIII “Wilde Jagd,” perf. Linzi Pan [original upload: S-cnSKsTjdY]
- Hungarian Rhapsody No.2, perf. Simone Renzi: tinyurl.com/liszthung2
- Hungarian Rhapsody No.8, perf. Shuwen Zhang: tinyurl.com/liszthung8
- Hungarian Rhapsody No.12, perf. Russell Wilson (not the quarterback): tinyurl.com/liszthung12
- Piano Concerto No.1, perf. Debbie Hu and the University of Washington Symphony: tinyurl.com/lisztpc-1
- “Oh! quand je dors,” perf. Jennifer Johnson Cano & Christopher Cano: tinyurl.com/lisztsong
- Piano Sonata in B minor, perf. Gleb Ivanov: tinyurl.com/bestsonata
- Bagatelle sans tonalité, perf. Olivier Gardon [original upload: Gh6Q3YYXGNM]
- Faust Symphony, perf. the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra cond. Sir Thomas Beecham [original upload: kj9CW-3eMCQ]
- Un Sospiro from 3 Études de concert, perf. Peter Bradley-Fulgoni: tinyurl.com/liszt-unsospiro
- Prometheus, cond. Yannick Nézet Séguin (orchestra unknown) [original upload: pKes7f7xVlY]
- Ave verum corpus, perf. Papalin: tinyurl.com/liszt-avc
- Les jeux d'eaux à la Villa d'Este from Années de pèlerinage III, perf. Jeff Manookian: tinyurl.com/lisztfountains
- Nuages gris, perf. Peter Bradley-Fulgoni: tinyurl.com/lisztclouds
- Mephisto Waltz No.4, perf. Gabriel Antonio Hernandez Romero: tinyurl.com/mephistoliszt
Footage:
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“Rhapsody Rabbit” excerpt [WqGEeymMzQM]
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[@ach2lieber]

How ironic that today, people remember servant class members like Liszt and not the people they served.

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I remember great and memorable people _regardless_ of their social class.

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I think it’s a real testament to how good these videos are that they’re not just very informative but really quite moving at points too. Please keep them coming - even if the viewer counts aren’t massive (for now), I suspect they mean a lot to the people who watch them. Also love it that you don’t shy from featuring relevant musical works for extended periods (whole of Nuages Gris!) - there’s no substitute for actually hearing the music to understand the point you’re making, after all.

[@ClassicalNerd]

Thank you! That means a lot from someone as insightful as yourself. I'm not particularly bothered by view counts relative to other creators, as I don't think of myself as (or aspire to be) a "KZbinr" as a career choice. Running this channel is more like being the curator of an online library (which, coincidentally, is how I've always viewed your work too).

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[@christianvennemann9008]

An 80-minute video on Liszt??? HELL TO THE YEAH! 🔥🔥

[@donna25871]

I’d say that the Liszt Academy is a huge part of his legacy - it began due to his largesse and donating his apartment on Vörösmarty Utca, which became the first site (now houses the museum).

[@martynhaggerty2294]

Those sad pictures of him as an old man make sense now.😢

[@JG_1998]

Finally! Thank you for doing this, and thank you for making it so detailed. Over an hour is nuts, must have been a ton of work!

[@ClassicalNerd]

It really was-over a month's work went into this!

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@@ClassicalNerdExcuse me? A MONTH?! How in the word can you work that fast?! I am factinated by your videos. They are very qualitativ! They thaught me a lot of things! Thank you!

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Now this is a 80 minute well spent

[@teodorb.p.composer]

Liszt was always my favourite composer. I have never heard something more modernistic, awesome and captivating then his music

[@DenisPuscaOfficial]

Its amazing how you are able to make such long but VERY intersting videos!

[@davisatdavis1]

My favorite composer. I'm not missing a single second of this.

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he makes me so proud...

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I love Listz’s music. Richard in Dallas

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[@ClassicalNerd]

I don't do a great job at self-promotion, but liking, commenting, subscribing, and especially _sharing_ content is a great way to put them in front of more eyes.

[@NotLegato]

fantastic work. can't overstate the importance of doing longer form content in an age where short 200 word essays prevail.

[@manbat1890]

ah my favorite composer, i have only learnt 6-7 pieces of his and they are amazing, especially the mazeppa etude and les cloches de geneve

[@ChipsAplentyBand]

Another excellent presentation! BRAVO!

[@0rganopleno]

Truly a titan of the piano, but although small in number compared to his piano output I think his works for organ deserve a mention as well. Especially the mighty Fantasia and fugue on Ad nos, ad salutarem.

[@szilike_10]

I love that people in recent years started to put out more - easily accessible - content of Franz Liszt. He is such an amazing figure.

[@KenL414]

THANK YOU for this - I didn't know a ton about Liszt and, like so many other less knowledgeable fans, was mostly familiar with him as a guy who wrote these acrobatic piano pieces that are just difficult to play, but never achieved the beauty of what Chopin did...I needed to really dig in and find his better compositions - the pilgrimage years stuff is just gorgeous - it has given me a completely new view of the Liszt as a composer AND a wonderful new part of his catalog to explore. Really good stuff, as usual.

[@ThaaaFunk]

i just love how liszt keeps making faces on your chest

[@yango8778]

Bravo! Liszt is definitely one of my favourite composers. I still remember my piano teacher calling his music "Hausfrauen-Weichspűhler-Musik" (which roughly translates as "housewife softener music"). Which is strange because he was aware of the H-moll Sonate. But because of this, I never paid much attention to his music during my piano studies. Only when I learned that James Bernard was heavily influenced by Liszt when he scored all these Hammer-Horror cult classics (Horror Of Dracula, Kiss Of The Vampire) that I decided to give him a chance and boom!!! It was one of those "were have you been all these years?"- moments. Ever since then I get Lisztomania at least once a year.

[@MaximilianMKGill]

Greatest classical music channel ever.

[@classicalmusic3334]

36:00 technically Liszt wrote two operas. He composed Don Sanche when he was a teenager, but sometime between 1845 and 1852 he was working on an opera called "Sardanapalo". However, of this work only the first act was finished.

[@ClassicalNerd]

I don't buy the logic that starting a piece is equivalent to having _written_ one.

[@classicalmusic3334]

@@ClassicalNerd Oh, I didn't intend to say an unfinished opera is equivalent to a full opera. That's indeed inaccurate, my bad! I only wanted to mention it for the sake of completion. Otherwise one might get the idea Liszt totally quit opera after Don Sanche, which is not 100% true. The legibility of the Sardanapalo sketches was established in 2016, which is relatively recent.

[@bozzninjaface7560]

I recently really got into classical music after watching the original Fantasia. I heard Liszt for the first time maybe about a month ago and litterally texted my (music major) roommate "This guy Lizst is a monster!" I really enjoy your videos and am glad I found your channel. I'm about to go through and listen to a good bit of them. Thanks for the uploads!

[@foulmercy8095]

Oh this is a monster. Definitely deserving of all the wait

[@PeterLunowPL]

Dear Mr. Nerd. I am a fan of your great channel and I honestly think that with this video on Liszt you achieved absolute mastery! Its the best Liszt "essay" ,if you will, of the man ,virtuoso composer and "showman" I have ever read or seen . Deep respect from a 68 year old Dutch pianist/composer

[@ivankolobov9502]

I saw it coming and here it is!

[@recondo1947]

"Les Preludes" was the soundtrack for the 1930's serial Flash Gordon, starring Buster Crabbe. It was the first time I heard the piece. Great video Thomas.

[@Hajfena63]

This is without a doubt one of the best channels on youtube.

[@enragedkaiser237]

Love your videos. I discovered many classical composers I've never heard of before thanks to you! Liszt, Chopin and Wagner are my personal top 3 composers. Such a curious thing that these three's lives were so closely intertwined.

[@ClassicalNerd]

I would love an HBO miniseries focusing on these dudes. So much drama!

[@williambunter3311]

Thank you for this!

[@sadinternetuser01]

This is an amazing video on Franz Liszt. Thank you!

[@sr-kt9ml]

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[@lee-fr8oo]

One thing for sure Franz Listz was on another level for sure and transcribes other people music with ease I would say

[@wpark1991]

You truly are a gem in KZbin. I am so glad I found your channel. I would be thrilled to see your insightful knowledge on Albeniz! One of my favorite composers

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[@alexalani10101]

Love your videos still man, thanks for putting the work and time in. I’m sure working on a video like this for a month can be grueling but us as fans on the other side of the screen really appreciate the effort.

[@liszt1811chopin]

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[@bozodorochenko8872]

Superior to most music uni/concervatoire lectures! Excellent vidéo! Bravo!

[@bluedutch01]

This was absolutely wonderful in every way! Thank you!

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[@belleepoque4597]

Yes!!!!! I have been waiting for this for a while. Excellent work!!!!

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Forgot to mention that jacket. Wow.

[@ClassicalNerd]

'twas a gift of my girlfriend's aunt. Seemed appropriately fashionable for this one!

[@la_princesse_des_beauxarts]

I love your video!!! Thank you so much for making this 💖🙏🏻🧡

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[@albuch520]

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FINALLY IVE BEEN WAITING SO LONG

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Thanks CN Stellar work

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This video is awesome. Really enjoyed it!

[@danielz2313]

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One of your best.

[@juicedelemon]

loved Liszt, didn't realised he was such a genius! thanks! wonder when will you do scriabin ^^

[@brendaboykin3281]

Thank you, Thomas. Very masterful and informative.🌹🌹🌾🌹🌹

[@chessematics]

Liszt decided to become the new Bach after he was tired of being the new Paganini

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Fantastic, you are my favorite channel on KZbin.

[@johannesbowman2194]

Thomas! Thank you so much for your amazing videos!!!! I just graduated from my musi. undergrad and I've become a d d i c t e d to your videos! 😆 I also love the sense of humor that you sprinkle in later videos: like your Morton Feldman impression or your random funny comments & meme references. Keep up the good work and I wish you luck on your compositions & studies!

[@e.de_Haan]

Thank you for the great video, I always find these enjoyable. I would love one about Isaac Albeniz!

[@ClassicalNerd]

Duly noted.

[@KenL414]

Thanks!

[@andrewweir9151]

This video is EPIC! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 btw nice twoset rep😂

[@Sunkem1Not6Hacks]

Speaking of Liszt's rockstar life: SecondChairMusic has a great video about his "Baby Mama drama". I was really shocked at the predicament Liszt had found himself in.

[@andynew2]

Great video . Still waiting patiently for Delius.

[@ClassicalNerd]

I mean, it'll be a while, at this rate: www.lentovivace.com/classicalnerd.html

[@andynew2]

@@ClassicalNerd As long as I'm still alive when you publish LOL. I'm 69 and have prostate cancer

[@andynew2]

@@ClassicalNerd It'll be quite a collection for future reference

[@aliciadalbey1201]

@@andynew2 damn

[@Warp75]

I asked for Delius the other week. I hope you get well andy

[@Voiceof7A]

I don’t know if you can request more than one Composer but here it goes Girolamo Frescobaldi Jan Pieterszoon Sweelinck William Byrd Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina

[@ClassicalNerd]

They're at 390th, 89th, 20th, and 161st places as of this writing: www.lentovivace.com/classicalnerd.html

[@hesoxixj]

YAY, another video!! Consider doing a doing on late baroque composer Joseph-Hector Fiocco! Or mayb Corelli, Or mayb John Dowland?

[@ClassicalNerd]

Duly noted.

[@hesoxixj]

[@VinceRicafort-xo9lu]

After watching the video, I've come to realize why he made versions of his piece called Die zelle in Nonnenworth, especially his final version of it, is full of regret and nostalgic feelings..

[@isaacodyss4270]

General Oddness *salutes Awesome video. Thanks 🙏

[@jdiwkall]

Lutoslawski deserves a classical nerd video treatment. Please thumb up if you agree.

[@skriabinfly]

I don't have time to watch this now but will put it on my... well, you know.

[@davidkent2804]

Those later works are stunning. I am ashamed I have never heard them, probably polluted by the common narrative and reputation. Do you see a similarity between Listz and Zappa?

[@ClassicalNerd]

An interesting comparison, and a good one the more I think about it. In terms of their productivity and creativity as composers, how overlooked they have been as such relative to their peers, how they used changing technology, how they demanded perfection (Liszt of himself and Zappa of his band), and how their music explored the cutting edge of what was conceivable in their times, they were a lot alike.

[@timothytikker1147]

I recall reading in vol. 1 of Alan Walker's Liszt biography that Liszt applied for legal paternity of each of his three children by Marie dAgoult as soon as each of them were born... unknown to Marie, and much to her consternation once she and Liszt definitively split.

[@santiagopintosoto5066]

wao

[@shayanmardanbeigi2697]

Please do a Verdi video

[@ClassicalNerd]

Duly noted: www.lentovivace.com/classicalnerd.html

[@connorwaite1947]

Lovely video, would like to request Arthur Sullivan, feel he is not given his place in the history of British music, and that strikes me as unfair due to his position as a popular and successful composer of British music during the Victorian period.

[@ewhyte8059]

I hereby Declare it your duty as the self-proclaimed classical nerd to cover Jean Henri Ravina born eight years after FL and seven years after Chopin subsequently outliving the pair by a furlong and then some. A complete and accomplished virtuoso whom the establishment has sorely neglected and under scrutinised. 🙂

[@ClassicalNerd]

Well, he's in line ... in 389th place: www.lentovivace.com/classicalnerd.html

[@ewhyte8059]

@@ClassicalNerd Many thanks, I’ll check back in April 2024 to see where he is in the list!🙏🏽

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[@swymaj02]

Good one still.

[@biomuseum6645]

Why did it take you so long to do Liszt a video? 😢 Anyway, 1 hour and 20 minutes about Liszt, here we go 😎

[@Brandon55638]

I think the "Bagatelle sans tonalité" is as much in C major as it is in F# minor.

[@tardisthephonebox]

With a family like that who needs enemies?

[@luisperezdebom8576]

Could you do a video on Max Reger his music is extremly angular and he seems like a mysterious guy

[@pseudotonal]

I have those two Ives albums that I see on your shelves.

[@fazliddinerkaboyev6568]

What piece is used at 11:43

[@TiagoPiano]

Hi! What's the best book about Chopin's life out there? can you recommend?

[@ClassicalNerd]

I've heard good things about Adam Zamoyski's _Chopin: A New Biography,_ although I've not read that one myself.

[@TiagoPiano]

@@ClassicalNerd thank you

[@vitorpetri1376]

Hello!! Can someone hlep me with a very long question? So... I have a weird obsseeion, and I guess that not just mine: Listen to (almost) every piece of (almost) every composer. (i just love music. classical music...) just discovering roslavets music rn... And to achieve that, nothing better than organization. I also want to know all music history. And I struggle to find books and resourses to that. So I'm really looking for a list of books with history and everithing about music. A huge list of books and resources would help me a lot and be a very good thing for the community. Like, if I want to listen to all hte music of one composer, I also want to know about the composers life, friends, and the history envoling each piece... Like a video like this in form of book or text of all the composers, music periods and history. I also want to compose. Compose a lot! Im listening litteraly to everything I can now, but would be great to read a biography or a book to know more, analyse the music history and evertihing... There are toons of videos from Classical Nerd and Classics Today, but its a lot of videos..... How to organize everithing??? Thats the main point: Organize. Than read, than listen, than study... Any reccomendations or ideias?? Im trying to structure with Notion, but its really difficult to do this alone (I actually want to do this with art, design, and other areas... like... theres a lot of smart people and knowledge out there, why dont we have a good path to know everithing? ahahha like indexs, lists, guides, paths... I think there are things like this, but i didint find yet. there are the DK books, with some research you can find a lot of great books, i think is just question of time and organization, idk... what are your toughts on how to know and study everything that this world offers?? hahahah) srry for english mistakes

[@vitorpetri1376]

like, how do you guys go so deep? and know so much! thats a wonderful hole of music that is really difficult to enter. and when we are in, we just want to go deeper and deeper. if there was a list of names, reccomendations, with a structured form, it would be amazing. would save my life and my mental health on seeing everithing but knowing and listening to almost nothing 😆

[@vitorpetri1376]

i need to go to a school of music.. what schools/conservatories should i go in the world to study composing and piano or violin? like, what are the very best institutes??

[@ClassicalNerd]

I think there's a Rachmaninoff quote that goes something like "there is more worthwhile music to listen to than there are minutes in a lifetime." I might be butchering that a good deal, but I agree with the sentiment. Simply put, there's no way to listen to that much music and make a serious dent in it over the course of a lifetime. I'm doing a PhD and it seems like every day I discover a new name, a new rabbit hole to explore, a new vista that opens. It can be daunting, but the most helpful thing to do is to try and embrace the fact that the musical world is so rich instead of trying to organize and categorize everything. As to how I go so deep ... well, every video like this takes at least a month to put together, if not longer. I read as much as I can. Not much more to it than that, really.

[@vitorpetri1376]

@@ClassicalNerd yeah... thats it.. :) thank you so much for the reply, all the hard work and the amazing content of the videos!! they are wonderful!! and about the readings, I see that you have a lot of books! any chance of a list on where to start? like, what I said, if I want to know a period and the composers background to each composition, and etc.. I think having a huge essentials + expanded list would save time and be very usefol for everybody! like a base for the good classical music knowledge

[@ClassicalNerd]

I just don't think what you're asking for could exist; there's not going to be one big list to cover _all_ of classical music since it's such an enormous field. My shelves are paltry compared to actual academic music libraries. If you are interested in a _particular_ era or composer, then I might be able to provide some suggestions.

[@cziffrathegreat666]

7:14- #blazeit ? Wonderful long informative video. Just what I wanted

[@ClassicalNerd]

It is a reference to ... a certain tradition that some people partake of on April 20th.

[@RadAntelope]

yessss - also, the Triangle stays, you traitor!

[@sonatahewrote]

Is it just me or did Salieri teach half of the 19th century music theory, he's also got Beethoven and Schubert under his teacher belt, right?

[@soratonin]

Is the Tausig-Dread Pirate Roberts connection a reference to “Das Geisterschiff” or is it a reference to him murdering a cat?

[@ClassicalNerd]

It's a reference to the movie _The Princess Bride._

[@soratonin]

@@ClassicalNerd I mean--yeah I got that part. I meant which of those two things would make him a good Dread Pirate Roberts? ...actually he does _look_ the part looking at it longer

[@ClassicalNerd]

@@soratonin it was 100% due to the look, tbh. The cat thing is just plain cruel

[@robertgiles9124]

I wonder how Liszt would have felt about Keith Jarrett.

[@4stringed]

But... how was the piano rotated before Liszt?

[@ClassicalNerd]

I'm not familiar of there being _a_ standard before Liszt.

[@chessematics]

25:47 HAHAHAHAHA going to send this clip to all the girl classmates

[@TheRealDannAlexander]

#justiceforsalieri

[@Tolstoy111]

Technically Liszt was German. Both of his parents were German/Austrian.

[@quinnsine1650]

You should have called this Lizst: the Jizst

[@catrinaciccone6945]

he was No Rock star! that analogy must vanish!

[@vrixphillips]

I've missed your vids, had no idea you were in the process of making a movie lol WOW i knew Wagner was an ass, but I didn't know his wife was one too... [then again, i guess you'd have to be to do von Bulow like that... damn. So he doesn't have a chin, that's no reason to do the man dirty like that, jeez.]

[@ShaneyElderberry]

I mean, relative to most of Liszt's closest family and friends, there were worse people than Richard Wagner in his life (think of the clergy in Rome who left Liszt hoping in vain for years without an answer to his marriage request). If you read how Bülow treated other people he didn't respect (i.e. Liszt's piano students), then you'll see that Cosima had a thing for egotists. It only took a little time for the disagreement to fade away. Liszt even died in Bayreuth (1886) after listening to Tristan und Isolde and Parsifal just before his death; he knew that he was too ill to travel, but wanted to support Cosima's opera productions as a famous attendee.

[@kaspianocz6330]

18:56Liszt could not have been liszted

[@heatherduthie9609]

How do I delete my inappropriate comment?