How Much Light Do Cuttings Need?

[@unclewangsgarden8302]

Thanks for the great content. So what is your recommended lux reading for a successful rooting?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks. Based on the results I saw here, I think I'll aim for about 1500 under lights, and if there's a little extra from natural light during the day, I won't worry about it. I'll still make some space averaging around 1000 for "light sensitive" crops (like my rugosa roses). All of this based on my phone's sensor, so you may have to play around a bit on your own to find the equivalents. Outdoors, I have a feeling that even with 50% shade, my roses are getting far more light intensity under mist. I'll have to experiment and measure more before I make any conclusions out there.

[@unclewangsgarden8302]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Thank you so much for your detailed explanation. I have never tried rooting indoor. I always place my cuttings in the shades under other plants at the corner of my backyard. I had a very high success rate from the spring propagation, not much in the summer.

[@thingshappen9199]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm What about tree cuttings? My potted trees do well at first but with time their leaves turn yellow and my poinciana in particular closes up it's leaves. I don't get it, who would have thought that planting a tree in a pot successfully would be so complicated.

[@emptynestgardens9057]

Soooo much SOLID info in just 7min! You've answered many questions I've had about light, cuttings and growing indoors. You are very knowledgeable and a great teacher. Thank you!

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks so much Roxanne - I so appreciate the encouragement!

[@tockalot]

This is awesome. I want to start propaging on my current roses and maybe even breed acouple so excited

[@BrianMcClellan.]

Videos like this need 2 like buttons. 👍🏻

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks Brian!

[@hazelwhite2491]

I have had roses for only 2 years, you inspired me to try to grow some. I have gathered rose hips and made sev cuttings today. Hope they grow, you make it look easy. Thanks!

[@Relaxo-h3k]

This is a VERY informative channel. Thanks Jason. I learn so much from you!

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Aw, thanks!

[@breakingburque2200]

Great video, I’ve never paid attention to how much light my propagations get.

[@Twinleo1]

Such great videos! Thank you!

[@GreasyWop]

Great video, most channels do not cover this when they make videos about cuttings and propagation, but this is the most important part lol.

[@GreasyWop]

just subbed

[@robertlaing7193]

Great video. Thanks so much for succinctly getting lots of good information across

[@ornette7]

Excellent content. Last week I repeatedly Googled light warmth ratio for cuttings and plants I'm over wintering in doors in England Google came up with nothing. Then up pops your really throughly excellent video explaining everything that I had wondered about. Many thanks.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Very much my pleasure. Best luck with your cuttings Maddie!

[@renato4583]

Parabéns, informações úteis e diretas. Obrigado pelo excelente trabalho.

[@lindam9018]

Thank you for this information and demonstration. I will definitely try it out myself here at home. I've got a few grow bulbs I've put in desk lamps, etc., so I'll check those out, too!

[@t.j.knight6126]

Hey Jason! Thanks so much for sharing this. I've been using a meter for moisture, ph, and light. I didn't think it was giving me an accurate light reading. And now that you have shared this, I know it wasn't accurate! I didn't know that there was an app like this. But of course there seems to be apps for everything! Lol this is gonna deff help me with soooo many things, not just my propigation, but my house plants too! I am continually learning and growing thanks to you! Thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge and being a great instructor and advocate for helping others expand their knowledge!

[@nangaleema]

Fantastic info! Thank you for another great video! 👍

[@thescorchsquad]

Always love your videos. Thanks for all the info! Not often I see a video with 400+ likes and no dislikes. Keep up the awesome content!

[@juliettel.302]

Thank you so much, Jason, this is so helpful. I was wondering about light needs of my lavender cuttings…which I had also learned about from your videos. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Just subscribed!

[@chompers11]

this is wild and super helpful

[@andrewsmithty]

great vid. will adjust my rooting practice accordingly! :)

[@1cleandude]

Great video maybe this will put an end to my one hundred citrus and camellia cutting fails!!🙏🏻

[@seniyeshepherd3050]

Thanks for the great information!

[@everafterflowerfarm]

Thanks for sharing!

[@LittleJordanFarm]

Great info..thank you and blessings

[@Max.Greger]

2:15 I am trying to propagate a certain rose from a street corner for 2-3 years without success (it has become a kind of obsession ;-) ) It is very similar to your rugosa (also a lot of thorns and the same kind of leafs. Blossoms are dark purple. Thanks for the hint.

[@paulastafford1642]

Very helpful, thank you!

[@annebeck2208]

This app is very useful in figuring out cheap led light sets.

[@babycheesus666]

love your videos!

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Yeah, I know!

[@davidwright9688]

Hi Jason, A "former" pot grower at Lowes suggested I try GE's Color Select T8 LED tubes. The three settings on the bulb, Cool White (4000K), Sunshine (5000k), and Daylight (6000K) Gave LUX readings that were about 150 LUX apart. He said, start with Cool White before rooting. Then switch up to Sunshine or Daylight once rooted and re-potted. The Cool White has a lot of blue, and the Daylight has a lot of red. By changing the height of the fixture I got LUX readings in the 800 to 2000 range. Have you tried these bulbs? They sure are cheaper than regular grow lights and go right into a 2-bulb, 4-foot long T8 (non-corded) garage fixture. You do have to wire the fixture with a plug end of an extension cord, which is pretty simple.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks David. I've used most everything at one time or another. Those are a good option, and it gets you growing with not a ton of start-up costs. I'd go one step further and say that for general growing the 5000k lights should be full spectrum enough that you wouldn't need to mess with switching around. Pot growers have traditionally switched spectrums as you noted, but for most seedlings (and especially as supplemental light) the difference is pretty minimal. The LEDs tube replacements are indeed a lot more efficient and long-lasting than the original fluorescents in the same fixtures.

[@davidwright9688]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Thank you Jason, I have found the LUX app to be most "illuminating" as I set up my indoor cutting propagation station. We have a very mature Pacific NW yard, with 70 different species and 142 plantings. Many are about 60 years old and form a heavy overstory, with little understory to bring color and variety to the yard, although we have invested a fair amount over the past 5 years in shade tolerant ornamentals and natives. I am tired of spending huge amounts with our Seattle area nurseries for single plants that often don't tolerate the micro-environment we plant them in. (Just try planting under a huge Lebanese Cedar, that dumps tons of needles). To fill in now, I am going to try taking cuttings from a number of the species that have been successful. Given our climate, I am going to do all of my propagation inside the garden shed, under lights and on heat pads. I think switching spectrums as I pot the rooted cuttings might work best. Potted plants that are developing leaves seem to need a stronger, red spectrum light than the initial root development period from cuttings, that seem to like the less intense, blue light. Any further advice would be deeply appreciated by this novice. Dave

[@annaa2732]

Thank you so much Jason for a wealth of information. I love listening to you. I live in California zone 9b. Can I propagate roses outside in a pot in October? Does it need to be in the shade ?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Sounds promising, but that's a judgement call you'd have to make based on the condition of the cuttings. I like to use a humidity dome, and in that case the shade is safer because it avoids trapping excess heat.

[@annaa2732]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm thank you Jason. Appreciate your response

[@Dentistsri]

Hey jason. I bought a new black delight budded rose a month back. Just now i hav discovered it has got a dieback in its grafted stem and its close to the grafted area. Im really worried about that plant. It was my long wait for that plant. I hav cut that dieback part and placed fungicide SAAF as of now. Kindly give some tips to save my plant. From south India

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

That's a tough problem. The only suggestion I can make is that if it recovers well enough to send new growth, maybe you could propagate some on its own roots as a "backup".

[@Dentistsri]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm tq

[@Landy_R4L]

Yea , i noticed also i had rose that stay green but fhey just chill no calus , nothing i have 80%shade , so i decided to add a 40 % shade on the side of morning sun for them to get bit of light , now just beed to seenif it works.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

I'll cross my fingers for you

[@gfutube1]

What about cuttings with no leaves eg dappled willow whips

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Willow is so easy I suspect you'd be fine even without leaves

[@sumayashakir]

Hi Jason! New subscriber to your channel and love it! Can you tell me where you got that humidity dome that is your indoor greenhouse?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks Sumaya. My wife Lisa picks them up for me - and it could be a local hardware store or even walmart, where they often sell storage bins.

[@m27238]

Thank you, very informative video , I have Jasmine cutting (in Perlite) without leaves, bit less than half inch thick, some tells me it needs a lot of light and some say room light, what do you think?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

I think for Jasmine at the stage you describe I'd go for bright indirect light.

[@lilyb1011]

Thank you Jason- it makes me ashamed of my cutting 🤣🤣🤣

[@HinaMunnee]

I have 3 Peggy Martin Rose cuttings in potting mix placed in a covered patio. I water them twice a day until the pot is full of water, but it does drain out. The leaves turned crispy the next day, and today one of the cuttings shed all its leaves. I haven't covered them in a plastic bag or any other humidity cover. All 3 cuttings are still green. Do you think they will survive? I live in Houston, TX.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Hope so. It's pretty hard for me to guess, as your conditions are quite different from how I do it.

[@ngccharle3317]

Hello and thank you for that great information, i am living in zone 6 and i received 10 cutting of bouganvillea for different varieties 4 days ago . it is winter here now and cloudy all time . First I put the cutting in potting soil ( the ordinary one that available in market it is peatmoss and sand and perlite ) and i cover each pot in plastic bags and i put them near window for 3 days the temperature inside the bag was 18 c (65 f ) with relative humidity vary from 61 to 71 . I did not like the result. So I decided to put the cutting in my old aquarium it is 500 litter big aquarium . I add water to the bottom of aquarium and i put the pots above the water ( they not touching the water they are above the water) . And i add 2 LED light above them . I install the lux meter . Outside my phone sensor reading was between 6000 lux to 9000 lux full cloudy . Today morning before watching your video when i moved the pots to aquarium the 2 led light was above the cutting very near to the cutting the lux sensor reading was 90,000 to 180, 000 about 10 to 20 time more then outdoor cloudy day the temperature under the light was 23 c (73 f) the led light not causing strong heat . Then i watch your video and i panic so i run and i rise the led light more above the cutting . Now the reading is 2500 lux to 3500 lux about half of the outdoor reading . The temperature is 21 -22 c ( 70-72 f ) inside the aquarium and relative humidity is 87 % . Is that good for the cutting ? About the lux reading less 2-3 time less then outdoor cloudy day is that enough. Or it is better to increase the lux as the led light not causing any heat under the light . Yes to not forget the cuttings are softwood and semi hard wood . I removed all the leaves

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

As dormant cuttings, the amount of benefit they're getting from supplemental light is much reduced. I'd say somewhere around equal to a cloudy day it pretty good, and I'd only run it for 6-8 hours per day. I haven't rooted bougainvillea so I'm not sure on the temperature an humidity. Normally dormant cuttings would be a little lower than this. I like your setup with the pots not touching the water! It'll be interesting to see how it turns out.

[@ngccharle3317]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm thank you for the reply i will keep you with update

[@Tommytoolsqueezer]

Hi mate, how must mist do you recommend I give them? I have similar set up. Also do you mist everyday?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

I check every day or two and mist as needed. Generally it's every check on the newest cuttings, and I reduce frequency when they've been under the domes for a week or two.

[@4ktur]

Actually its vary good aap coz my eye looks same but it detect different lux.also i found humid place with good lighting

[@deborahgosse1186]

Hi Jason Can you tell me how long should I keep the dome over my cuttings ? I am trying hydrangas. and how often should I water them Thanks love all your videos

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Hi Deborah. I usually use the dome (or mist) until I see strong callus or initial rooting. I mist (not really a full watering) if there's no condensation on the inside of the dome, or if the soil begins to dry out

[@David__.]

If the cutting has no leaves, eg. hardwood cuttings, does it still need light? Maybe less but still some?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Less for sure. I've done hardwood in complete darkness until they've callused.

[@David__.]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm That sounds good thanks. I've put soil in large plastic 'meat freezer trays', put the cutting in and simply put another tray over that, upside down. Not much light but keeps the moisture in. They're nice and sturdy as well.

[@OfftoShambala]

I was literally wondering this . Had some under lights and some in bright outdoor shade… just a week ago… how did you know?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

I have my ways...

[@antonioleeiii2570]

Thanks for the very informative vids. Question. How long do we need to expose the cuttings to light?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

I try to get at least 8 solid hours of light a day.

[@antonioleeiii2570]

Thanks a lot!

[@Garricher5958]

Jason, thank you for your informative videos. I am in zone 7b, and I don't have access to a greenhouse. I have several good cuttings(Silky Dogwood, and Recurve Privet) that have rooted from the Summer. Would you recommend that the pots be placed outdoors in shade, part shade, or full sun(82F, 27C)? I will be making a coldframe this Autumn, and overwintering the pots in the coldframe, covering it when the temperatures dip down too low. Thank You.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks Richard, and congratulations on your rooting success! If they're well rooted, I'd try to get them some sun to strengthen them before winter.

[@adamb.8854]

Why are newly grown apricot leaves on the cuttings are turning brown? Soil is not moist, box front of the window 5-6000 lux in the morning from 8-13:00 when it is sunny outside. It seems to dry out, so i thought 1200lux gonna be enough, i dropped some water in the soil, and wait. No roots yet. Any suggestion? Thanks again.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

A little browning of the leaves doesn't concern me too much, but I'd want to make sure there's enough humidity and the stems don't dry out.

[@adamb.8854]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm thaanks:)

[@Blue_Azure101]

Great info! Definitely downloading it tonight. Also random question, I know that the Japanese multiflora rose used to be used for grafting but is now considered a pest; has anyone crossed and tea roses with it? I would think it would be beneficial to the offspring since multiflora roses are pretty hardy?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks - very perceptive. Yes, the multiflora rose has been used widely in breeding, mainly through the cultivar 'Trier' into the hybrid musk family. Also, the breeder Geschwind used multifloras in breeding some of his ramblers.

[@Patchy921]

How long does it take for a propagated rose to flower?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

It can bloom within a couple of months if the conditions permit, but you won't see proper full-sized blooms until it's much more established.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

It can bloom within a couple of months if the conditions permit, but you won't see proper full-sized blooms until it's much more established.

[@Patchy921]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Oh great thankyou! I was thinking it could be a couple of years.

[@candisfirchau3810]

Do you boxes have holes at the top?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Yes. 3 approximately 1" holes on each dome

[@stuartkaufman6131]

What should the average humidity be in the domed container in which you are growing rose cuttings?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

When I measured it, it was between 70 and 80%, but really I just look for a light condensation on the plastic and that works fine.

[@darleneumemoto195]

Our Rose's always get black stems

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Sorry to hear it. Rotting from the base might be a result of too much moisture in the potting mix or of contamination with soil-borne pathogens

[@mminz1989]

This last summer I tried roses in sand and bark, 2 types each in a one gallon pot with a pop bottle over them (4 total). The one pop bottle that was green had the best success (only on week 8). Could it be my double fixtures over the cuttings was too bright and the tinted bottle helped this issue?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

I wonder! Definitely the green would block some light, but hard to say if that's what made the difference.

[@FantasySports101]

What was the name of the light detector app? I can’t find it on the apple store.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Might be a different app with an iPhone but on Android it's "Lux Light Meter" by Doggo Apps

[@michaelkrentzin]

Hi. I read your response where you mention that you aim for approximately 1,500 LUX for propagation. I have a few containers of Pathos and Ivy in water sitting on a piece of furniture under a normal lamp, with a LED 9W 120V 60Hz 3000K 800 Lumens light bulb. I have propagated in the past in this location with success. I downloaded the LUX Light Meter Free app and used it and I get readings of around 3,000 LUX in the spot where my cuttings are. It doesn’t seem that bright, but as you said our eyes are not a reliable judge of lumens or LUX. I have tested it under other lamps with a similar light bulb and I get approx 3,000 LUX on all of them. Does this seem correct? I guess past success is the best indicator, but if anyone has any insight I would appreciate it.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks Michael for sharing your readings and results. I've done subsequent readings from various locations where I've had reasonable propagation success, and they can definitely range upwards towards 2500-3000. Of course, our phones' light sensors may add some variability - so the point of my video was no so much to give viewers a prescribed number, but rather just to point towards the tool for evaluation and arm them to make the best informed decisions they can. If that spot has been yielding good results, it's definitely a good starting point.

[@sushi603]

My cuttings have not rooted yet but the top leaves are turning yellow...what should i do? Should i be worried..

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Hi Ben. Not really. The leaves will react to the stress of cutting, and may even drop off. If the cuttings themselves remain firm and green with no black or brown discoloration at top or bottom, you're still in the game.

[@emilybeaulieu3723]

Hi Jason, I love your videos, so helpful! I have been doing some rose cuttings in a northfacing window in my home. They were done about 3 weeks ago. I am starting to see the buds starting to flush out and have seen some callous on the top of the cutting. I have them in clear cups and haven't seen any roots yet. If they shoot before they root are they done for? Also callous on the top of a cutting. Have you experienced this before? What was the outcome? Again. Love your content, thank you for being so honest and helpful!

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks Emily. I've sometimes seen callus on the tops of the cutting - but usually as a response to higher levels of rooting hormone. Yes, I'd usually want to see rooting before the shoots emerge, but that doesn't mean the cuttings are certain to fail. Personally, I'm a bit impatient, so I'd be (gently) pulling them up to see what's happening at the base of the cutting. If both roots and shoots are forming, no problem. If the roots are way behind, I sometimes pinch off one of the fresh shoots to let the roots catch up.

[@rabidheartbeats5953]

i've been using the same app for my succulents. they need a lot of light in order to stress them.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks. And just out of interest, are you stressing them to enhance color?

[@yunggloboxing4718]

Wtf idk where you live but the outside is fucking beautiful

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks - we feel pretty lucky to be in this little corner of the world.

[@yonokzeller5402]

😎🙏