Leveling Kit vs. Suspension Lift | Which is Best?

[@imxploring]

Great video explaining the differences and what to think about when making the choice to level or lift a truck! Thanks for posting.

[@freakfiveoh]

Thanks!

[@garyanderson7139]

Your video really help me with my decision for a lift on my tundra, i’m not going off-roading so I think to save money an to just get the 4x4 look an keep my factory ride i’m better off with a 3” spacer leveling kit an bring my rear end up an 1” an I’ll be happy...thanks for the good advice

[@freakfiveoh]

No worries, I hope you like the setup you go for!

[@papabear007]

Hey how dose the 3 1 look on your tundra? I have TRD Tacoma 4x4 and Toyota was pushing 3 1 and I was thinking 3 2 not sure much difference either way?

[@realistic.optimist]

I put a Ready Lift 3.5” SST on my F-350 Crew Cab, SRW, Short Bed and it fits 38x15.5’s with 2” spacers with factory wheels. I do not do anything drastic off-roading only driving into corn fields or down to the creek for fishing and out into the fields for hunting - and looks. I had the added constraint of wanting to keep the factory snow plow prep package and the super stiff springs with the plow.

[@brudevold62]

The lower stock front is also known as a tow rake. It suppose to make the truck tow and handle better fully loaded from the factory.

[@smkthomas2]

You are really awesome at explaining this ! Thanks a lot !

[@freakfiveoh]

Thanks for the feedback! Let me know if you have other questions, I’d like to do more videos like these.

[@fjnagle2nd]

First, great job and great info. I lifted my 95 XJ to fit 31's, not huge I know, I just wanted something more than what was on it when I got it. Basically just a bigger contact patch for braking. And it's my daily. It is harder to get into but I'm dealing. Al things considered, I would have still done these upgrades.

[@freakfiveoh]

Thanks for the feedback! I like the XJs a lot, I wish the new Cherokees has stayed more true to the original design. In all reality though, you don’t need monster tires on those older/smaller jeeps. I remember the old TJs, you’d have to lift them 4 inches just to fit a 33s.

[@LiamMcGuinnessVitalVentures]

Just put on bilstein 5100 struts and shocks on my f150. Leveled it out and truck doesn't feel as bouncy and less body roll. Great video

[@freakfiveoh]

Thanks!

[@brandonmccormick1571]

I did the same and also added air bags in the rear for towing and it rides great.

[@Epyon671]

Really good info, just one caviot. The front is lower and the rear is higher because if you end up towing... the rear will lower and become level with the front end. If you use a leveling kit and then tow... the rear will become lower and the front will point toward the sky. Just a correction, not a gripe.

[@ElevationAllah]

Caveat....

[@teebo5298]

Close your eyes and Raymond ramono is teaching you

[@jackbaur18]

Good video. I have a 2013 F-150 and I have the same Icon suspension package you have. I just put 18x9 -12 offset XD Grenades wheels on my truck. Tires are 35x12.5 nitto ridge grapplers. With my coilovers cranked up all 3 inches there was surprisingly very little trimming that needed to be done. A decent amount of trimming on the valance and in the rear a tiny bit of metal trimming was needed. Overall it was almost nothing compared to what I thought it was going to take. I don't rub at all, not even on full lock. I hit bumps on the road and still no problem. Keep up the good work.

[@dukeearl2498]

This is great, just what I wanted to know. I just want to change the factory rake.

[@movaughn20]

Nice info, I've been running spacers for 3 years, finally over the spring slap from uppers. Picked up Freedom Offroad loaded 3" struts, and uppers. Putting on today... We will see if 35x12.50r20's 0 offset still hop on trail without rubbing... ;)

[@freakfiveoh]

Good luck, let us know how it works out!

[@danhornaday7319]

With your set up aren't you maxing out your front shaft angles? A full kit with a different drop would seem to be better on your drivetrain.

[@freakfiveoh]

I honestly couldn't tell you at what point the shaft angles become a problem. I know all the decent 4"+ kits will drop the front diff a little, but I haven't heard of anyone running into issues with kits similar to mine. If it becomes a problem at any point, then I may opt for a BDS 4" kit or something similar.

[@jonon1989]

My brothers f150 went threw so many four wheel drive shafts he was running a Bilstein 2" strut lift. But that was with lots of ranch work and fwd was used more than any normal daily. My pops has an f150 all stock used for the same working truck fwd used alot and never seen any problems. My brother ended up going to a 6" lift and never had any problems after.

[@Nate-zy5ce]

Very educational. Thanks. A few questions I'm hoping you'll see and be able to answer after all this time. I'd want not just a better look, but high end, top performance on and off road for my anticipated new F150, which will also be my daily driver, so for instance if I went with a level I'd want coil overs, new, stronger arms, reservoir, etc..., the top of the line coil over level kit route with parts for front and rear. But what I really want is either a 3" or 3 1/2" level with suspension upgrade, or maybe a full on reconstructive 4" lift, to allow max room for a larger 35" tires and among other reasons its added minimum road clearance. Here are my questions: First, are there issues going up to a 3" or 3 1/2" level with suspension upgrade from say a 2" similar level, that affect performance, ride quality/comfort, suspension range and such that make that extra height less than ideal? Second, would going up to a full on 4" lift kit with the added reconstruction underneath and that metal addition running across the front side to side, which looks like it would decrease minimum road clearance, would that resolve any such concerns found with the higher level kits, and would it increase or decrease performance, ride quality/comfort, suspension range and such? And would that full on 4" lift kit then hang lower across the front thus actually decrease the minimum road clearance versus the 3" or 3 1/2" level? Other? Thanks. I live in mountainy ski country with deeper snow and often rougher roads, and what appears to be a lower hanging added bar structure going across the front with the full on lift kit, that drop down height concerns me. It's all a little confusing and I'm only just learning. Cost is secondary to me. I want to learn the pros and cons of a higher 3 - 3 1/2" level vs jumping up to a 4" lift. I can factor cost in later if needed. You seem like you know your stuff, so I thought to take a flier and see if you'd see this and reply with some useful info. Thanks.

[@freakfiveoh]

Every truck platform is a little different, and I want to say the newer F-150s are easier to fit 35s than the older generations. That said, if you're looking for high end goodies and cost isn't as much of a concern, I might suggest going with a Raptor that comes with it from the factory. To answer your question, the normal 4-6 inch lift kits you see are mostly focused on lifting the truck up to fit 35s or 37s. They would still perform well if you do off roading with deep mud ruts and things like that, but might feel a little more sketchy if you're doing tighter trails that get you off camber. If you do a more aggressive leveling kit, you may run into issues with your front CV axle angles, causing them to wear out quicker. If you're not looking to get as big of a tire, I honestly think the new Tremors are a great truck for most buyers. If I had to get a new truck today, that's probably the route I would go because I'm a sucker for the 5.0 option.

[@Nate-zy5ce]

@@freakfiveoh Thanks for the reply. That angle issue is the sort of thing I was concerned about with the higher 3" to 3 1/2" level, so it sounds like in terms of that issue, jumping to a full on 4" lift kit might be better. But do you know, or think, if I jump to a 4" lift kit will that extra metal across between the front wheels will that actually sit lower and thus decrease road clearance in that area compared to the 3" to 3 1/2" level? Thanks. I'm leaning towards leveling or lifting a Platinum or maybe a Tremor, but I am considering a Raptor too, that Raptor's buttery smooth drive is awfully tempting, but the payload capacity drops quite a bit with the Raptor, and that concerns me, not for regular use, but were I to add say an overland set up, I've seen videos where the sag forced them to put in tougher springs and other things, which I imagine not only adds cost, but might compromise that wonderful buttery smooth drive. There are so many pieces to this puzzle, and I'm just learning.

[@not_youngjustice3717]

I have a 2" budget boost lift on my jeep

[@tcbkkb1]

I am using Icons 8” with Rough Country lift and Dirt King UC’s and it drives like a brand new truck after 13 years!!

[@bullseye2764]

Thanks man, great advice

[@RRFTB]

Awesome video! Thank you!

[@meanf1502]

I got a 2015 f150 pro comp 6 inch lift front coil overs from them upper control arms 37 x 20 x13.50 just a little cutting on wheel well

[@freakfiveoh]

How do you like the drivability with the 37s?

[@2213rtx]

i own 2015 f150 fx4 i used 1 1/2 level kit put 33 inch tires , make sure you adjust your head lights after

[@freakfiveoh]

Yeah, I’ve been needing to do that for a while, I’m definitely the A-hole blinding everyone still

[@Tachtronics]

I’m sure your off-road capabilities are much improved with the ICON lift but how has the lift affected your ride on the highway?

[@freakfiveoh]

It was definitely stiffer, but I got used to that. It was nice though when I would hit a bump that was bigger than expected, and I liked the improved handling when going on highway off ramps.

[@Tachtronics]

@@freakfiveoh makes sense. Thanks for the reply

[@jasonpanozzo3317]

Clear, easy and to the point. Thanks man

[@rolandb.campos4535]

Excellent video 👍

[@Beezy_Builds]

Very clear and to the point fam

[@bengierodriguezrealestateb1967]

Thank you for your Video; I was about to make the wrong choice for my 2019 Tundra 1794 Edition 4x4.

[@freakfiveoh]

What did you decide on?

[@damacknificent151]

I just ordered bilsteins 4600 for my 2000 4runner and thinking of putting 1.5" front and rear spacers from daystar because im on a budget and kinda want to have it stock. I have a 97 4runner and put 5100's front adjustable and rear with old man emu 2906 springs a.k.a 906 springs. It's about 2.5" rear and almost 3" front. Im running 265 75r16 falken wildpeak at3w. Im not a hardcore wheeler just like to have fun and discover new trails, take the fam for a bbq out in the middle of nowhere, take our bikes , go camping. I dont rock crawl or mall crawl either. These 4runner are pretty capable shock, so... a cheap spacer for a bit of extra clearance should be fine. I just dont know how good or bad it will handle with spacers. Any input would be nice.

[@rudedogii]

Trucks come higher in the rear because there made haul a load. Put a load in that square thing behind the cab and it will level out. It's a truck.

[@freakfiveoh]

If I towed a lot I'd probably keep the factory rake, but I don't put any super heavy payloads in the back of my truck so I prefer the more level look.

[@howandwhy...]

I was gonna say the same thing. Dude's talking about truck suspension but doesn't even know why they sit at that angle from the factory...... Now it makes me think he pulls everything out of his ass

[@freakfiveoh]

T R I do have a big ass for storing lots of information

[@howandwhy...]

@@freakfiveoh yes, that's pretty much what I said. Lots of wrong information pulled out of your ass.

[@freakfiveoh]

T R which part was wrong?

[@chriswise1762]

My daily driver is a 2000 Expedition with a 6in BDS Lift and 35 tires

[@freakfiveoh]

I sometimes wish I had gone with an expedition. I wish they offered the 5.0 in the newer generations.

[@bm3turbo10]

Are you soccer mom?

[@marktippit6947]

Merica

[@Herrera419]

I put a 3”leveling kit on my 2014 f150 .. it kind of sucks it’s Stiff doesn’t turn for shit .. you should buy a 4” spindle it corrects the geometry of the truck when you lift it!! .. nice kit bro truck looks clean 👍🏽

[@freakfiveoh]

Thanks, what kit did you go with? I’ve heard of some people having turning issues, but I didn’t really notice anything on mine.

[@Skysmeller1]

I’ve read a lot that the limit is 2”, that extra inch can make a big difference in the angles on the suspension and it can cause some issues later down the line.

[@edcko10]

2.25" is the max you can go on a leveling kit(spacer/puck) on a f150 if you're on a budget and are not looking to upgrade the rest of the suspension. Otherwise you will run into problems such as balll joints wearing out faster, rough ride, amongst other things.

[@datboibg21]

@@edcko10 for both 2wd and 4wd? Or just 4wd

[@aviesa1995]

Simple explained, thanks.

[@fogduker3131]

Great video nice and clear right to the point. .

[@LivinWith3M]

Great video brother.

[@ms79ta]

Thank you for your videos. I have no idea what's on my 2013 FX4 Off Road with 35's on it. I know everything about my car but clueless on this used truck I bought in 2018. I've only found one place here willing to look at it since it start bouncing a bit. It's an off road garage. The setup looks weird but it rode like a dream. Can you tell what I have by looking at a vague video? I have an appointment on Monday and worried what I'm in for. It has FOX shocks on back.

[@roj3369]

I did 1” blocks on my tacoma n i didnt like the ride quality it was hard... So I switch to leaf spring n a much better ride .. Hopefully you did the same thing as i did... Add a leaf spring.

[@foford2010]

Hey another great video! I was looking to get the icon setup like yours from stage3motors for my 2016 F150. Does the icon make the ride stiffer or softer on potholes or uneven pavement? Also how does it effect cornering on off highway ramps?

[@freakfiveoh]

I’d say it stiffens the ride all around. My truck handles corners a lot better now, but small bumps are a bit more noticeable than I’d like. That being said, they’re stiffer for tougher off road duty, so it’ll handle bigger holes much better.

[@colbypulley2070]

I really like those rims. Do you know the make and model of them?

[@freakfiveoh]

Method MR309 if I remember correctly

[@americafirst2215]

2012 f150 on 3 inch spacer with rc upper control arms works pretty well

[@freakfiveoh]

Did you go with larger tires after the level?

[@americafirst2215]

My Car Life about to put 35 on I have 33 on now they look way to small

[@MrPAULONEAL]

Not all leveling kits are just spacers.

[@freakfiveoh]

I understand that, in fact the kit on my truck was still considered a leveling kit, and it was a full coilover replacement. I thought I talked about that, but perhaps I was wrong.

[@bquade70]

Awsome info, thank you

[@freakfiveoh]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@Mark_conor]

You can get a reverse level kit on rams easier install and don’t need alignment but that’s if you don’t wanna run a bigger tire.

[@freakfiveoh]

Is it just a lead spring mounting flip or something?

[@Mark_conor]

My Car Life on the rams they have coil springs in the rear so it’s just a coil spring that works with factory shocks, I’m not sure of other truck manufacturers because most of them still run leaf springs out back. But I’m sure there companies out there that make a softer leaf spring for most trucks.

[@juststuff9796]

Good video bro. I have a lift in my ram. Unlike you I didnt care about my wife lol. Love watching her jump

[@freakfiveoh]

Sometimes I wish I had just gone with the 4-6 inch kit

[@mach1motorsports828]

So you put on a leveling kit. The difference between a level and lift is a leveling kit only lifts the front, just like you put on, there is nothing that says you can’t use a new spring and shock as a leveling kit. Also a 4” kit like you described with new brackets does not gain lift with a new spindle, it keeps the suspension geometry by using a new spindle, the lift is achieved with a strut spacer. Oh and what in the world are you talking about fuel mileage, the reason it’s raked is to put a load in the back.

[@barbaraschenck5691]

Sorry this comment is like 6-months late, but very informative video. Thanks.

[@Akhazmat907]

I have a daily driver that's not lifted or leveled that I tow my new monster 20in lifted single cab 92 f250. Up here in Healy AK we have ruts bigger then a Kia Sophia

[@freakfiveoh]

I don’t need one that big, but I’d love to have one of those early 90s trucks to play with

[@Akhazmat907]

@@freakfiveoh they are great. My daily driver is a completely restored 89 f150 super cab 4x4 8ft bed wil air bags.

[@john5985]

There’s still a lot of strain to the CV joints,that’s a nice kit but for the price of the Icons you could have gone with a full suspension lift,with money left over for running boards. Nice set-up though.🇵🇱🇺🇸😷

[@freakfiveoh]

I’d like to make a more in-depth video about why I picked this kit, but in hindsight I probably would have been better off going that route. I think these kits are great if you only want to fit a 33 or maybe a 34 inch tire, but if you want 35s I’d get a 4-6 inch BDS kit and maybe upgrade to the Fox coilovers for the lift.

[@mrme9517]

I JUST WANT TO BRING MY TRUCK OFF THE GROUND ENOUGH TO KEEP MY TRAILER WHEN LOADED FROM SCRAPING SIMPLE AREAS IT SQUATS MORE THAN IT SHOULD I REPLACED ALL THE SUSPENSION WITH AFTERMARKET OE SO HOPEFULLY A LEVELING KIT WILL HELP THANKS FOR THE INFO BUT THERE ARE 2 SPACERS 1 ON TOP OF THE STRUT & 1 SPACER UNDER THE STRUT IF U WANT A LITTLE MORE THAT WOULD BE THE MAX

[@Richard-xo2uv]

Just want my truck sitting a bit higher than stock. Like riding high. Driving 2000 Ford Excursion but all the F250’s on current models sit higher stock than my X and I’d like to sit at least the same height

[@stevenfulcher517]

Hey thanks paul

[@brettu45]

Why not add another leaf for more height in rear and increased towing and payload capacity?

[@jaimemontanez2149]

How do you remove the lift kit? I have a 2005 f150 and it came lifted when purchased and I hate how it looks because the wheels look tiny

[@freakfiveoh]

If it’s just a spacer lift, then you could find some install instructions online and just do it backwards. If someone put on a full kit with aftermarket springs, struts, differential bracket and spindles, weeeeell you’d probably be better off just getting a tire that fits better. You could do it if you had all the stock parts, but if they didn’t come with the truck, then I’d browse forums for people that just lifted their trucks and might be willing to part with their stock stuff.

[@gloryland59]

Any way one could compress the coil spring enough to add say 1.5 leveling kit.

[@freakfiveoh]

Most trucks you can just add a spacer to the top of the factory strut/spring combo

[@adamglenville4024]

I have a 93 F-150. I thought about at first a body kit, but no thinking a leveling kit might be better. It also has 235/75R15 tires on it. Any suggestions on where to buy a solid leveling kit for that year of truck? And any recommendations on tire size that would fit with the leveling kit? Great video.

[@freakfiveoh]

While I love the OBS trucks, I honestly don’t have much experience with their aftermarket options. You could check stage 3 motor sports and see what they offer, or go on the BDS website and see what’s available. Most reputable dealers/manufacturers of different kits will give a maximum recommended tire size

[@rolfpimentel5876]

Bro i like your video its very informative. I have a 2019 Toyota Hilux 4x4. Now im planning to buy BFgoodrich KO2. How the performance of your tire like its road noise and handling on and offroad? 😊

[@freakfiveoh]

Sadly I never really got to test them off road, but on road they were very quiet and still handled very well. Unless you’re going through a lot of mud on a regular basis, I think you’ll be plenty happy with the KO2s.

[@daver2964]

Did you install yourself? How long did it take, and did you have to recalibrate speedometer?

[@jasonperry2244]

That's quite a gap between your upper control arm, and spindle. Is it designed for that?

[@freakfiveoh]

Yes it is, it freaked me out a bit too at first, but every other picture I’ve seen of these upper control arms have the same gap. The ball joint is tapered into the spindle, I think the extra gap just gives it more room for the joint to flex.

[@jasonperry2244]

That's good then, that was my only concern I bet the ride is nice, why did you go with icon over the competition?

[@freakfiveoh]

@@jasonperry2244 The ride is actually stiffer than I expected. I was hoping I'd be able to do a lot more off roading, and the ICONs seemed to be better suited for that compared to some of the smaller shock.strut options. If I knew I'd be stuck on the street as much as I have been, I might would have stuck with the Fox 2.0s, since I hear they ride a little smoother, and they're cheaper.

[@m.7n6]

Mines got 1.5" lifted coil springs Bec I have a plow hitch

[@ChrisPBacone]

I don't want a lift I want to level and lower my mom had a stroke I need to figure a way to help her get in for passenger and be a driver we are daily drivers in snow country with many many potholes . Thanks for your help

[@NateMac434]

Great vid man

[@freakfiveoh]

Nate Mac thanks man!

[@ryangonzales7730]

Is it possible to do a or 3 inch suspension lift and keep the same rims and tires. I figured 3 inch suspension lift in the front and 2 inch lift in the back. We have a 2019 SLT GMC Sierra 4WD V8 5.3L crew cab. I thought of spacers, but don’t want to do that because it can ruin ball joints down the road. I rather improve on the suspension because we take it off the road occasionally. We go on dirt roads that’s on BLM land. Sometimes these dirt roads are kinda smooth and sometimes bumpy.

[@freakfiveoh]

I'm not as familiar with the GM trucks, but it might be possible. If you're trying to do a 3 inch lift in the front, you'll probably start having some messed up suspension geometry and might need some adjustable upper control arms. Control arms are often why people need aftermarket wheels or Spacers, but it can also depend on the tire size you're trying to run.

[@ryangonzales7730]

@@freakfiveoh thanks for your input. Overall, I’m just trying to do a 3.5 inch suspension lift. I figured this is the smallest suspension lift you can do on your truck. I like to keep my stock rims and tires. I do not want 1-3 inch front spacers. From what I read and seen on videos, those can ruin lower ball joints if not properly done right. So I figured a 3.5 inch suspension lift is safer. A lot of these kits come with all the stuff such as new upper control arms, rear blocks for the rear, new shocks, and many more. Basically, I just want to do a safe suspension lift. I don’t want my truck super high. I don’t want to replace the rims or tires. If I have to do that later, then I will. All I want to do is, improve my on and off road handling. When we occasionally take our truck off the road and on to dirt roads, some of these dirt roads can be really bumpy than others. Our truck is a 4WD 2019 SLT 5.3 V8 Crew Cab GMC. I figured Chevy and GMC have to same stock suspension on there 4WD trucks from the LT, LS trims for Chevy. SLT, SLE trims for GMC. Then from there, it’s up to the owners to upgrade there suspension. Thanks 🙏 for your videos and great 👍 info. Keep up the good work.

[@tomterrific2018]

I have a 2019 Ford F-150 xlt 4x4 8cly..daily driver..15000 miles...No off roading ..front sit 2” lower than rear ..want to level truck ..front and back same ...keeping stock rims and tires..what do you suggest I use to do this ... thanks

[@freakfiveoh]

I would look for a solid billet 1.5 or 2" spacer. There are plenty of options out there, but buy it from a reputable company, and don't automatically go for the cheapest eBay kit you can find. Just make sure you get your alignment when all is said and done.

[@robertewing2374]

Nice truck. But he is missing a lot of technical info and is quite misleading A cheap leavening kit is spacers And nice kit has new coils and normally tuning the shocks for the new spring rate. Also complete lack of understanding of ifs geometry.

[@freakfiveoh]

I don't remember discussing shaft angles at all, but given how many people have mentioned that issue with leveling kits vs suspension lifts, perhaps this video needs a part 2.

[@ManInTheVestStudios]

the front being lower than the rear is so it sits flat when towing im pretty sure

[@ding174]

My Toyota fj is level when full tank of gas and heavy payload in the cargo area and passenger compartment. Want more ground clearance, get bigger tires.

[@freakfiveoh]

You sir are correct

[@bc_usa]

@@ding174..Yeah want bigger tires get a lift...duh

[@miguelbarrientos2691]

Thanks for the explanation, do you know if I also have to put an increase in the stabilizer bar if I am only going to leveling?

[@freakfiveoh]

I never did anything like that

[@jakewescoat4437]

How much is it going to cost to add the spacer. IE price of spacer and cost of labour

[@freakfiveoh]

It varies, I’ve seen spacers under $100 up to a couple hundred, just depends on the quality of construction and materials. As far as labor goes, you’re probably gonna pay at least $100/labor hour. I’ve never installed them but I would guess install would be somewhere in the 1-2 hour range.

[@IndyRockStar]

just bought a Fox 2.0 suspension kit with Grimm UCAs. It will level out the truck with a 2" lift in the front. Although, now I'm thinking of going to 4". If I were to go with a 4" lift later can I still use the Fox suspension?

[@freakfiveoh]

Perhaps if they could be adjusted to stock height, but I really don't know. I know fox sells specific coilivers for lifted trucks.

[@angelberrios7843]

What's it normally cost to have a suspension system installed by a service center?

[@freakfiveoh]

Honestly I couldn't say, I've never had it done. It would depend a lot on the kit, but most shops probably have a labor rate between $100-150/hour, so if it's a 4-5 hour job, that's at least $500.

[@andyxxgerico]

Carli suspension has leveling suspension kit, not spacers or hockey pucks.

[@freakfiveoh]

andy gerico I only recently heard about them for the first time, and it looks like they sell some nice stuff.

[@GI-rt7ol]

I’m torn between 275/70r18 and 295/70r18 trail grapplers. I wanna be able to tow decent still but don’t wanna regear. Think there would be a huge difference between those two? (33.3x10.8 and 34.4x11.6) and 66 and 73 lbs

[@freakfiveoh]

I’m sure it would be noticeable if you’re towing heavy. Just make sure those tires have the tow rating you need, there are a lot of options out there

[@GI-rt7ol]

My Car Life I got the 275 trail grapps and love them. Can’t notice any difference in power just a mpg or 2. Glad I didn’t get the 295s these are already pretty close to rubbing when turning

[@senoucisenouci5605]

@@freakfiveoh how can i add ground clearance to my sedan??

[@shortyberg1425]

If you want the best quality suspension lift or leveling kit spent the extra money and go purchase a Carli Suspension Kit

[@freakfiveoh]

Do they make kits for F-150s? I only heard about them once I started looking into super duties.

[@alfredjones5677]

Thinking about a 4inch bds lift, to fit bigger tires wanted to know your opinion on how you think it will handle bumps ? I have a 2017 f250 and it dont at handle bumps all that good now.

[@freakfiveoh]

Well depending on what kit you got, it would probably Handel pretty close to stock since it’ll likely still use the stock struts with spacers in the front.

[@zakp7532]

Have you had a spacer before? If so, do you lack steering response or anything? I had a f250 and was horrible after I put the level. Now I have a f150 and just don't want to go through the same thing I did with the other truck. But I like the stance of the level...

[@freakfiveoh]

Honestly, I've never used a spacer leveling kit before. That being said, I don't remember that coming up as an issue when I was doing my own research on what to by, but I know there are entire threads on the forums from people that use the spacers, so they'd be a better resource to ask.

[@kdakrusha804]

Get sway bars

[@zakp7532]

I see, might give it another chance again with the spacer. Don't want to put a fox coil over because I'm afraid ford might give me hassle about warranty. thanks for the reply

[@chrisshields5448]

Thinking of doing this to my 2013 F150 regular cab 4x4. Any comments or suggestions? Thanks

[@isaiahanderson1874]

chris shields he just gave us suggestions. Tf

[@chrisshields5448]

@@isaiahanderson1874 I guess I was asking for anything more specific, I didn't word it correctly. tf? Does that stand for "the fuck?"

[@mconradb]

Where did the rubber boot on the upper ball joint go?

[@scottie1151]

Wouldn't that suspension kit fit the 2wd as well? I understand that the coilovers are longer than that of a 2wd, but currently, I have a 3" spacer in mine, so wouldn't that just be essentially the same using the 4wd coilovers without the spacers?

[@freakfiveoh]

I’m not 100% sure, you would think they should, but I know they offer kits for 4WD and 2WD trucks, I just don’t know what those small little differences are

[@superbeeflyyproductions9948]

I have a 00 Mercury mountaineer rwd 5.0, I want to lift it. I have options of torsion twist, add a leave, shackles, spindle, I think an axle over leaf set up, or body lift. I want to put on at least 31-33 tops, but be safe. Which route do you think I should go? How do I know what size wheel and tire to get to make the tire flush with the wheel well too? I usually drive cars, this is my first suv. Thank you for your time and if you reply ty again.

[@freakfiveoh]

Honestly, I’d look for some explorer/mountaineer forums and then look for a wheel and tire thread where you can see different size examples and how they fit. That’s what I’ve always done at least. If you can’t find that, you’d have to learn how to measure the backspacing/offset you’d want and just find a wheel that fits. I’ve never had a vehicle with a torsion suspension, I know they’re easy to lift up that way, just be mindful you’ll probably lose some ride comfort. I really haven’t looked into those combos before, but I’d start by looking into a taller front spindle and maybe the axle over kit for the rear leaf springs. I know the axle over kits were very popular on the old jeeps, as well as shackles.

[@superbeeflyyproductions9948]

@@freakfiveoh that's what I have been doing, I'm gonna keep doing solid research so I know exactly what I want and right the first time. Tyvm for your advice

[@TheBoy-sr9jw]

Should I get a lift kit or a leveling kit because I pull heavy trailers but I want to get one

[@freakfiveoh]

If you tow a lot, I would think a small level would be best. You could always get a rear airbag setup or maybe an add a leaf kit that way your truck doesn’t sag too much when it’s towing. I don’t tow with my truck currently, but from what I’ve been able to gather, you want the truck to be sitting pretty level once it’s got the trailer attached and weight distributed correctly.

[@TheBoy-sr9jw]

Ok thanks

[@gusthomas]

Thinking about the Ford performance Fox level lift for my 2020 Ranger XLT. It comes with Fox coilovers and rear shocks and adds a couple inches up front. It's a factory lift and is warrantied. Just trying to decide if it's worth the money.

[@bigf1502]

Just got the Roush Fox 2.0 for my F150, can’t wait for it to get to my house.

[@gusthomas]

@@bigf1502 Pulled the trigger a few weeks ago on the Fox kit. Loving the new look with the Dyno Gray Raptor wheels and 265/70R17 BFG KO2s. Level is the way to go

[@andrewvalenzano3257]

I have 2016 f150 crew cab. I want to add a leveling kit 2” or 2.5 not sure. Will I be able to fit 33” or 34” tires? I’m gonna be using factory 20” rims

[@matthewnelson2690]

Your "suspension lift" is no different than the spacer levels. You're simply pushing the lower control arm further down. You have addressed the upper control arm ball joint angle with your icon UCAs but have done nothing to address your lower ball joint or CV angles. This method is ok as long as you don't try to go very high with it.

[@freakfiveoh]

The difference come from the different spring rate of the coilovers, plus the better shock/strut oil capacity if you wanted to hit bigger bumps, faster and for longer. For street use I would have been better off with a spacer kit, but I had high hopes I’d have more trails in my local area when I moved...sadly I was wrong.

[@vrviktor55]

I got 2017 tundra crew max 4x4 I want installed 2.5 inches leveling kit, will this damage anything part on my truck, or misalignment ,

[@freakfiveoh]

With some camber bolts and maybe control arms, you should be able to get your alignment right. I'm not sure about the toyotas, but I know with the F150s, people don't recommend going over 2.5 inches from either a spacer or coilover lift. Anything higher than that and you'd want the front diff drop bracket from a traditional lift kit so you can keep your axles from getting into any crazy angles.

[@raider401]

How did the ride improve from stock with the 2.0s

[@papabear007]

Question I’m just looking to level my 2020 Tacoma trd 4x4 the Dealer suggested 2 inch in front . Or 3 1 kit. I seen a guy same truck he said he has a 3 2 looks nice said it was easy to do kinda leaning towards that. But Toyota said 3 1 would look better any suggestions? First lift for me and really looking or best look?

[@freakfiveoh]

A simple 2 in the front will give most trucks the level stance people are looking for, and Toyota may even sell some of their own, I really down know. Toyota might just have a relationship with whoever makes the parts they’re willing to install, so keep that in mind. Whatever you do, just get a quality kit and you should be happy. Worst case you don’t like it and you taken them back off.

[@APtS_Gh0stHunt3R]

I need some help. I have a daily driver Toyota Hilux and I want to add some wheels and bigger tires and was thinking to do a 2inch lift using a strut spacer/extension. so many people are advising me not to do it and do a full suspension upgrade. and my truck is a 4x2 rear wheel drive. should I spend $1500 for a suspension lift or $50 for a strut kit?

[@freakfiveoh]

I'm not super familiar with the Tacoma options, but if you're not looking to go off road, I wouldn't see any major issue with a small spacer on the front struts. That said, I would do more research into the size of spacer you should go with if you do. A 2 inch spacer might be more aggressive on your driveline angles on a Tacoma than something like an F150. I would still almost always recommend a suspension upgrade, but I understand the cost isn't worth it to everyone.

[@ethangorczynski3112]

BTW level kits DO CHANGE RIDE QUALITY! in fact ride quality is shit, you will destroy ball joints and other components faster with a level kit than a suspension lift. i put 10,000 miles in a level kit and completely destroyed upper and lower balls joints on both sides

[@freakfiveoh]

Yeah, you definitely gotta be careful with the taller ball joints, but that can be affected a lot by wider wheels and tires as well, or maybe I’m just thinking of wheel bearings. I got upgraded UCAs and ball joints for my kit, so no issues so far.

[@rennelnapial3999]

Can i use a longer spring to lift the front of the truck instead of using levelling kit?

[@freakfiveoh]

It depends on your truck, mine has a factory strut/spring assembly, so I lifted it with a coilover setup rather than just spacers. The only way I know of having a spring lift is if you have something with solid axels, or at least the strut and spring are mounted separately, but in that case you’d probably still want a matching combo for ride quality.

[@rennelnapial3999]

My Car Life thank you

[@JadensPressureWashingYt]

I just want a lift kit but I don’t want to take my rear air ride out so I can’t get a lift kit

[@freakfiveoh]

What kind of truck do you have? Is it a factory air suspension or a helper spring for towing.

[@JadensPressureWashingYt]

My Car Life sorry I didn’t respond earlier but i have a Toyota Sequoia so it just has air ride factory

[@freakfiveoh]

Yeah, I'd probably keep the air ride until I started having problems with it. At that point, then I might consider lifting it.

[@JadensPressureWashingYt]

My Car Life yeah man I just installed a new exhaust today so I can actually hear the 4.7 liter v8 in it and it’s loud.

[@baitse7676]

but can you jump it like a Raptor?

[@freakfiveoh]

I wouldn't recommend it, but that's why I decided to get a raptor lol.

[@johnviola3]

I've spoken to two people with spacers on their F-150's and they both complained about loosing the factory ride quality. Has anyone else experienced this ?

[@freakfiveoh]

I’ve heard of that before, but since I didn’t go that route I can’t really say for sure. I’d assume it would be some issue with the suspension geometry that would make it ride rougher with the factory struts.

[@Skysmeller1]

Yeah if you put spacers your are widening the angle that the tire turns

[@johnviola3]

@@Skysmeller1 Same issue if you were to use a Fox 2 inch lift or equivalent?

[@markcollins5026]

Man. I have a f150 I had the dealer put on two inch front spacers, no change in ride quality, I run 285-70-17 BFG KO2 any bigger you would have to trim the fender !

[@Skysmeller1]

John Viola 2 inches or less is very minimal, any more and you can mess up CV joints and other suspension components

[@JudasBytes]

if you have a 4" drop kit, does that mean you also need to add 4" spacer on the strut?

[@freakfiveoh]

What do you mean by drop kit? Are you trying to lower your truck?

[@drusaiz]

Spotted the U of A shirt. 👍

[@subswithzerovideoschallenge]

*Well I’m just trying to say i need a TRUCK*

[@quickzilver333]

Rough Country Leveling Kit has a coil and struts 2 inch level kit. It is way better than those spacers.

[@freakfiveoh]

I know rough country has gotten a bad rep with some crowds, but I’ll pretty much always take an actual suspension life over spacers if I can afford it

[@user-daviddog]

The level ing kit i see is a deffrent struts and springs am i missing somthing ?

[@freakfiveoh]

The kit on my truck is a different set of front coilovers, but it's still considered a leveling kit. Most leveling kits are just a spacer, so I was just trying to talk about the differences between the kits and why I chose this one.

[@JSalazar5.7]

Basically don’t buy Cheap Suspension Lift Kits like RC. BDS is my choice for my truck

[@freakfiveoh]

I know rough country is trying to step up their game, but they definitely focus on the entry level market. I considered some of their Jeep parts back in the day, but their springs had a reputation to start sagging over time, so I never did. I think they’ve gotten better though, and I’d consider them if I was looking to do something a lot more budget friendly.

[@politerudeboi6898]

longevity was the word

[@migueltrevizo7500]

Will I get hate from the 4x4 community for leveling my 2wd?

[@freakfiveoh]

It’s very possible, but I wouldn’t worry about it. I’ve yet to actually need my 4WD yet

[@bc_usa]

No..I have had both and 8 never off road with my 4x4. Its personal preference.

[@zacatecano1986]

What size of lift is it ?

[@freakfiveoh]

Right now it’s just 2.5 in the front.

[@BK-gc1jm]

I want to raise my 2014 Ram 1500 Longhorn (Non-air-ride) 3 inches in the front and 1 inch in the rear. I am putting an all-weather tire on it, NOT a Terrian or mud tire. Similar to my Wrangler SRA's. highway tire. How can I keep my factory ride, I hear from many folks ride is much worse. Is it the spaces giving the bad ride cause new geometry? or the Tires they put on? or both. Any help would be appreciated.

[@freakfiveoh]

I've heard the same about spacers, but I honestly don't know why that is. Even coilovers will change the ride quality, for better or worse depending on what you're looking for.

[@billpeirce7127]

Raptors hv 17" rims with 35s.😁👍

[@HelptheBroncos]

Cool man, thanks.