Fred And Rose West: The Couple That Killed 12 Girls | World’s Most Evil Killers | Real Crime

Fred and Rose West: Between them, they killed at least 12 girls over two decades in Gloucestershire. What fuelled their appetite for murder?
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[@Kaneseason95]

Anyone else put these killer documentarys on to go to sleep? 🤣

[@harleyhendrix9636]

No bc if i start one i gave to stay awake and finish it bc im nosy and I just have to know what happen

[@johnstaccuneddu4688]

NHL brutal hockey fights

[@sammybreezy982]

Yep....daily routine lol

[@sexyskittles6822]

Yup

[@rons7332]

Yup

[@vanessanessag9096]

The way she phrased “He lost his virginity to his mother” lady no! Word it correctly; “He was abused and raped by his mother.” Let’s not sugarcoat it the immorality that both of them were raped by the people who were supposed to love and protect them. But the fact that in Rose’s case it’s rape and Fred’s is simply a “he lost his virginity” is absolutely disgusting.

[@mbr0916]

Exactly!!! Absolutely disgusting.

[@candivarela3702]

Any way I loved playing softball as a girl riding motorcycles . Even taught myself My Sweet Lord By George Harrison

[@joshuadurham1257]

Yes it is

[@laurenanderson180]

Such a gross double standard. But lets not forgive EITHER of them for their horrible crimes. Plenty of people (sadly) are raped by their parents and don't decide to rape and torture people.

[@user-vf5em9ss8s]

I hate to be that guy, but she totally went on to describe Rose’s abuse as “rape” when they both clearly experienced rape. He didn’t lose his virginity to his mother 🤦

[@tatertott2390]

How could any parent rape their child 🤬😭

[@JayNDez22]

Evil exists everywhere. Even in our very neighborhoods...

[@lindleloverwatterson3484]

no true parent could! being a parent means you love, teach, give advise and raise a child, just because you share dna doesn't make someone a parent. rose and Fred WERE NEVER parents but they were ALWAYS messed up monsters. a real parent would willingly die to keep their child from any kind of pain, what these two did was sick asf

[@Britton_Thompson]

By believing their children exist to serve them and improve their lives, and not the other way around the way normal people do

[@carolyncha6911]

Because that parent was raped by their parent. It’s a vicious dark cycle

[@badazzbarbiePOV]

Right . Is there not any moral bound they won’t cross .. like damn at the very fuckin least not ur own kid

[@donavan34]

Why does she say his mom sexually abused him and then said rose was raped by the father. No they were both raped it just seems like stronger words are used when men are the perpetrator

[@Chimichimichi]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed.

[@Andrea-pr7wo]

That's a sad and ridiculous double standard. Child abuse is child abuse regardless of gender.

[@u1es]

It's called male privilege

[@louieberg2942]

@@u1es Eh, this would be an example of the opposite, however. The man is said to have raped (which tends to be the stronger term) whereas the female is said to have sexually abused (which, while terrible, carries less of an emotional charge than rape for most).

[@u1es]

@@louieberg2942 i was being sarcastic

[@colleta2400]

I pray the surviving children have found some peace, joy, and fulfilling life.

[@HM-xh9ot]

Their son Barry committed suicide :(

[@fathimakader6480]

@@HM-xh9ot where can you find more information about their children?

[@andreaquechingadosteimport5562]

@@HM-xh9ot may he finally have found true peace!

[@chgofirefighter]

FYI prayer doesn’t do much to prevent these crimes from happening, so how’s it going to work after death? You have to question thee existence of an all powerful supposed God that allows such evil to exist….

[@colleta2400]

@@chgofirefighter When a freed prisoner of Auschwitz was asked "how could God let this happen" he responded "You ask where was God and I ask where was man". Whatever one's spiritual or religious belief I am always in awe of comments like yours that avoid the fundamental question of "How does man allow such evil". Spirituality, religion, or a belief in Global citizenship we must question the dark heart of humanity not the peaceful beliefs. If there is a higher being they/he/she have given man the power of Choice the intelligence, consciences, and power to do the right thing.

[@RecreationalChannel99]

Nothing is more disgusting that people who dish out cruelty and then take their own lives because they don’t want to face the consequences.

[@jefferyhodges8835]

I think it was a lot more than that I think when the love of his life AKA Rose distance herself from him that could have been the catalyst

[@cassieh5506]

​@@jefferyhodges8835If she was the love of his life, he would have never treated their children the way he did. End of story.

[@jefferyhodges8835]

@@cassieh5506 I was being sarcastic, because both of them were twisted!

[@katythepsychiclady2342]

AMEN!🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@dizzymae6564]

Why do I keep clicking on these they make me feel terrible 😭 so addictive

[@barologymajor8443]

Same here!

[@teresamorabito1655]

Mee too 😒😔🥴

[@cherylharewood2549]

@ Alex Alexander me too

[@michaelthomas4275]

I know, lol it's like a venting tool

[@Mrszhersheyy]

Then stop clicking on them

[@curiousgeorge6921]

Being abused as a child is no excuse if anything it should makes them hate abuse not practice it themselves...

[@declamatory]

"Train up a child in the way he/she should go: and when he/she is old, he/she will not depart from it." Proverbs 22:6

[@nooneaskedbut1788]

@@declamatory well said a good verse for this instance

[@india239]

I agree. It is a risk factor for them being abusers but it is still their choice and to use it as a reason/excuse is a gross insult to survivors who don’t harm

[@panthera50]

@@india239 Survivors who don't harm, but have mental problems, are usually left in the cold. That's a horrible betray. 😡 😡

[@raquellofstedt9713]

Those I meet who don´t abuse don´t have the emotional make up for it and generally have always had another adult around - a relative or a teacher, a friend- who showed them that there were other choices to make. such things limit one´s choices, but there are always choices. Those who do , well, have a piece of the need to control and dominate in them, and a reason to choose wrong.

[@jamesstaggs4160]

I'm always baffled as to why those who were abused grow up to abuse others. I was sexually abused from ages 5-7 and I wouldn't put anyone else in a situation like that because I know how awful it is.

[@ragen4504]

Sorry that happened to you!

[@aryyaboi9551]

I assume it's the feeling of "If I had to go through it, why don't they? Why did *I* have to suffer while this child doesn't? They don't know how lucky they are. They don't know how bad it was for me. They have no right to enjoy their lives while I suffered through mine"

[@battyxdarko]

I'm sorry you know that pain too. I agree completely. The hell I went through...I would never ever do to another person.

[@lisamarrero7795]

You are normal with that response. They were already abnormal and they happen to have had a victim phase but that’s not what made them what they are! Just like it didn’t make you do it. They were already defective-Str8 out the womb they were cursed

[@kurybingai]

they both probably lied about being abused.

[@AaronSaltzer]

I feel so bad for their children. They probably dreaded coming home from school.

[@adrianwilkinson1031]

Yeah you can imagine how they felt when it got close to the time school finished and the dread they felt! Feel so sorry for them :-(

[@patriceaqa288]

@@adrianwilkinson1031 i just cannot get my head Around what daily life was like there. Breakfast dinner just living in that home. Its mind boggling

[@NBrookePhoto]

@@patriceaqa288 There is a book by Mae West "love as always, mum xxx" that ive just got but the reviews tell that this is a book exactly about what you want to imagine, theres none of the grim detail but just the day to day of life in 25 Crowmwell street.

[@janetandamocha7874]

Imagine if that one friend of one of the children had never talked to the police about what they were told.

[@heavenlymessages3863]

What is wrong with law enforcement across the pond? You find three bodies in the garden, but you don't search the cellar until he confesses to more murders ? Unbelievable.

[@caramelbilquees]

American police much worse!!! Corrupt and rude and nasty. I prefer British police

[@muddikissez22]

Here, that would've immediately made the house fair game! Hell, his house, the neighbors house, his grocery store checkout lady's house....

[@MargotMugs]

Riiiight, cuz the US is the beacon of efficient law enforcement 😂😂😭

[@tonsilis2]

The US is such a great example of law enforcement! Thats why their police force is a running joke all over the entire rest of the developed countries in the world.

[@TheEndtime60]

RIGHT 🤨

[@CrustyCowboy]

They really want you to know that this happened at 25 Cromwell Street

[@guitarplayerava]

i was thinking the EXACT same thing

[@alicekranyk4173]

Wait where did it take place again??🤣

[@CrustyCowboy]

@@alicekranyk4173 🤣

[@jeanniemccurdy441]

😄

[@bobbyginnings9273]

Their house. of. horror.!.

[@mistyjames212]

Fred n rose look like brothers.

[@mistyjames212]

@@dollrose3085 definitely lol

[@rickys.7933]

Doll Rose o brother. Love And Light , Always. Dexter M.

[@adrianagambina1713]

They probably are another occult story this is siooo common it just is told like it’s this big awful bizarre thing but it goes on constantly

[@ButterflyQueene07]

😆

[@gwugluud]

Hahaha

[@dcc-randomstorieswithmel7424]

I was molested as a teenager and I don’t have the urge to smack anyone in the head,I do not accept that excuse from serial killers

[@danielpkalulu7030]

So sorry about that, it's beautiful that you remain to be a strong soul

[@SirHorned19]

Thats a pretty selfish outlook on life. Do you really expect everyone to have had the same experience that you had?

[@scarletwrath9058]

They were loaded guns from birth meeting each other and feeding off each others darkness pulled the trigger.

[@dcc-randomstorieswithmel7424]

@@danielpkalulu7030 thank you so much

[@SukhdevSingh-qi9ov]

TRUE

[@coryc8819]

There's probably shit like this happening right this instant, and no one even has an inkling. Let that sink in.

[@teresas8173]

I often think about that. Multiple people all over the worlds are being brutally abused every minute of every single day. It’s so horrible.

[@yomomsahoe5797]

True but nowadays technology is wild so it’s way harder to get away with it as long as they did. But again ya never know

[@isitoveryet9525]

@@yomomsahoe5797 law enforcement says these sickos use technology to their advantage. There are millions of them who use the dark web & it’s almost impossible to shut them down. Once they realize authorities are on to them, they just disappear.

[@ascent8487]

Sweet Mary. I’m sure you’re right. Evil. Disgusting. I wish I could do something.

[@pooddescrewch8718]

Its getting more difficult for this to happen because thos is the information age and so much science is advancing polic efficiency .So when we will find it , we will be greatly shocked .

[@cherylharewood2549]

This world has a lot of weird and evil people 😕 😐 😳 😒

[@adrianagambina1713]

It’s satans world that’s why and we are with actual zombies dead people walking dead Spiritually void

[@cherylharewood2549]

@@adrianagambina1713 true words

[@tomlewis2405]

This comment makes me think that you are an alien just visiting here

[@cherylharewood2549]

@@tomlewis2405 😀😀😀

[@marvezuniga9132]

@@tomlewis2405 😂😂😂😂

[@lynnarthur1411]

Why is there always *one* neighbor who claims they’d never expect that sort of thing to happen in their neighborhood?

[@ZFern9390]

this kind of master manipulation and sick narcissism is out of most peoples Frame of reference. I think these stories are profoundly important to discuss and not live in the shadows like I grew up in swallowed up by violent abuse at the hands of my mother. People need to understand who COULD BE LIVING NEXT DOOR! You could save a Childs life if people would start discussing this and pay attention!!!

[@aurora8749]

Most people are in denial about how profoundly evil people can be.

[@lynnarthur1411]

@@ZFern9390 I agree. What’s kept in the dark, stays in the dark 😞

[@blackambrosia24kcorporatio32]

Smh

[@louieberg2942]

@@lynnarthur1411 And people are willing to remain ignorant to a large degree just to keep the illusion of normalcy going. It cannot happen here, so it must be something else. Something less vile.

[@brianneparker7544]

The fact that Fred ended his life doesn't mean the victims don't deserve justice. They deserve just as much justice had they if Fred was still alive. The family and loved ones of the victims are still alive and they all deserve closure.

[@hkazu63]

They got it through Rose’s imprisonment and it will be complete when Rose dies in prison, as she richly deserves.

[@recoswell]

the families deserve justice - the victims are dead and don't give a fuck - cause they're fcking dead - dope

[@Deborahtunes]

The fact that Fred West is dead, is justice in itself. It wouldn't make sense to spend loads of money on a trial to convict a dead person...

[@uncensoredinvestigation8072]

True crime is so interesting because it reveals the extent of human's depravity

[@elcaliforniano7411]

Shit I like these documentarys so much and yet it makes me feel so bad for human actions and I still get so hooked on this Shit😒🙏✌🍻always drinking a brew for the nerves😅😂👍✌

[@MrSefiroh]

Human depravity or something even more sinister and scary.

[@MrSefiroh]

@Leilababy89 he's the one who made his victims listen to a "welcome" cassette that laid out his plans for her if I'm correct?

[@MrSefiroh]

@Leilababy89 yea. I really felt for the woman who had to go thru that. Must have been so haunting to know what was coming. Did you ever hear the actual transcript of the cassette?

[@megh9263]

And it helps you be aware that these vermin really exists & how to better protect yourself & your children.

[@thegoldenorder1240]

Only in a UK documentary do we hear "He could charm The leaves off trees despite looking shabby. He had clean teeth."

[@lovelyt8022]

😂😂😂

[@teridimmack5193]

Dyinggg

[@texasncgirl79]

💀💀🤣🤣

[@megan_moves_atx]

😂yeah that part got me

[@mushtaaqahmed2466]

Yes only Uk here USA different stores

[@vivwei9269]

How did the neighbors not hearing anything ? 🤦‍♀️

[@riggedreality420]

It's a bullshit story

[@beth603]

@Raphael Alejandro wtf

[@dominiquemassey2742]

Same way gacys neighbors didnt

[@christineaygin6701]

Fred was a builder and soundproofed the cellar

[@sinicalypse]

Alan Sugar sold em some primo stereo systems.

[@mosa_mm]

I can’t imagine how bad their house smelled with all those dead bodies 🤢

[@cringefest8778]

How do you know the smell??

[@nosiphodywili35]

Do they still smell underground ?

[@Nikita-zo4gp]

@@cringefest8778 décompensating bodies smell awfully. To me it's like a mix of rat piss (probably the ammonia my nose links), human carnivore fava beans feces with a touch of 100 yr old smokers breath packed in a bubble of pus. Bon appétit.

[@cringefest8778]

Weee weeeeweeeeee

[@beaniebooasmr5551]

@@cringefest8778 people describe it as nothing you've smelled before, it's a smell you'll never forget. One that you can indentify immediately. It's one of the WORST smells out there.

[@LechLecha893]

Most abusers have been abused, but most abused do not go on to abuse themselves.

[@dannyroy8602]

That makes 0 sense

[@colleta2400]

According to both FBI and Scotland yard the majority of serial killers/Rapists were victims of abuse..severe traumatic childhoods. It solves nothing to keep saying the most/majority of abused do not become the abusers when the impact on society from Pedophiles, rapists, serial killers were themselves victims. Hearing Rose and Fred's history is the anatomy of killers.....it does not give license or free pass to kill, however, the affects of such trauma is higher likely hood of violence.

[@graciousgifts1221]

@@dannyroy8602 😂

[@spooookie2u]

not always the case. sometimes the abused are so psychologically damaged by the abuse as children that they become abusive or worse... especially if they were younge children and brought up in such an abusive enviroment..they just wouldn't know any better so they repeat it thinking it was the norm cos of it being programmed into them at an early age as the norm... or if they do realize its wrong, they develope a kind of anger and confusion inside them with the inability to express it properly which causes them to lash out at others aggressively or towards themselves in a self destructive manner... ...

[@misfitbrit1989]

DrPeri, can I have whatever you're smoking?

[@jenmb2679]

I cant imagine all the work put into hiding bodies under floors, i mean the extent of the work Fred took on and just ended up telling them everything. They wouldnt have found half the bodies if he didn't talk

[@normmacdonaldliveseason3ep866]

Yes if I didn't know any better I'd say Fred was a complete nutter.

[@pooddescrewch8718]

Once the y be gan to look for one then at least 3 would have been found . He buroed them all too close together . Besides the police were gonna fine tooth comb the entire lot

[@alysellscars]

@@pooddescrewch8718 but he straight up told them “you’re looking in the wrong place”

[@emptysoul5057]

So sad that these monsters were able to have children. Such a beautiful daughter they destroyed. And there are couples out there who would love nothing more than to have a child but they can't. It doesn't seem fair.

[@deanazarnush884]

life isnt fair

[@marilynwillett804]

and what are the odds that every childless couple would be so great?

[@la23s.a.22]

@@marilynwillett804 Then go for child guidance & psychological help if you feel so unsure.

[@rainbowluvher7029]

Pjlqluy

[@AndreaAlorah]

It’s disgusting. And children are suppose to be protected not abused. I’m about to become a foster parent because children need a safe place.

[@maryjanedoe]

*Why am I obsessed with these docs?!!*

[@maryjanedoe]

@Luna EBwhat are you studying to be? If I may ask.

[@maryjanedoe]

@Luna EB hahahaha! Ok just kill pedos please! Be safe lol

[@doggeelikesit9849]

You like horror.

[@suzie_bee8385]

Its ok..me too 😬

[@nourelserogy9133]

It is so sad that the circle of abuse never ends and it affects so many ppls lives

[@amandameadors4458]

Drinking game: Take a shot every time he says “25 Cromwall street”

[@yvonaamariaa]

Aren't you clever!!! Either that or an alcoholic!!!! Which, by the way, I am with 16 years sober, thank you very much😜 Yes, it CAN BE DONE!

[@Pbergo]

Thanks I'm shit faced now

[@nancyhamlin8426]

Tell me how many times and I’ll just grab the bottle. Game idea is clever. Funny

[@kaitkat27]

Challenge accepted

[@austinwalker240]

Bro, you’d die. 😂

[@MontanaDior]

“ A match made in hell” LMAO that real crime shade 🙌🏾

[@Ruckduck72]

The children went through absolute hell rest in peace Heather and Charmaine along with all the girls who were murdered

[@julierizza9798]

Always remember the victims and the day they passed not the monsters! RIP to all of the beautiful women and girls who didn’t get the chance to thrive 💐❤️

[@mistressmozart]

the narrator is SO dramatic. dude, calm it down a bit

[@sparklemotion8377]

He sounds really eager like it's a game show

[@blueviper64]

Well, at least he loves his job so good for him lmao

[@thulanilupondwan2017]

🤣 he should narrate Love Island

[@louieberg2942]

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOOOUUUUT! THIS IS MY REGULAR SPEAKING VOOOOIIICCCEEAAAAHHHHHH.

[@northernstarr]

Tbf he would sound very tame in dramatics, compared to some of the Yank narrators in crime documentaries

[@crystalwilson3466]

I remember seeing an interview with 2 of children Mae and Stephen and Stephen said Fred told him, "There are a lot more but I'll never tell where there are". These people were evil thru and thru. I feel for those kids but their parents robbed other families of their children. Sad. Sad, Sad.

[@pooddescrewch8718]

Stephen himself is showing a taste for young girls .He has been arrested for child porn . You have to think the trauma of his childhood feeds into that . Its gotta be a feat to grow up normal .

[@dcc-randomstorieswithmel7424]

@@pooddescrewch8718 he committed suicide so he’s dead

[@mamacakes6296]

I read a book about this case and finished it tonight it’s what brought me to these documentaries I wanted to watch them after the book was finished. But in the book it seemed like there was a lot of child abuse, molestation in incest in England in that day in age . I just hope it’s not as bad today as it was back then. Absolutely terrible. The poor children :( I can’t even imagine as a mother . It’s clear that rose was involved just as much as Fred and in the book it states that the author believes rose was the one killing the girls and that Fred was raping them more so killing them . They killed two of their own children and it boggles my mind that the alarm wasn’t raised when two of one families children went missing . Shame on the British authorities and courts for letting this happen. If they were locked up on their first charges of rape , maybe this could of been prevented . So many young lives lost to such horrible and unnecessary murder. The poor babies of the two women didn’t stand a chance . How can you cut a fuckin baby from the mother ??? Just absolutely terrible one of the worst cases I’ve read and I’m from America home of the serial killers . Shame on Britain for this one ! The judges have blood on their hands

[@alexandrarodriguez4467]

If you don’t mind, What book did you read?

[@nerrisamaripane4101]

What's the book name

[@Ashford369]

Book name?

[@lostpelican1883]

@@Ashford369 I just finished one called "love as always, mum" by the West's daughter, Mae West. It's pretty good--- well-written, insightful. Hope she's doing ok.

[@gowdsake7103]

Wow try reading more accurate books

[@jesusnova5329]

I never imagined there's so many twisted parents that do these things to their own, thus creating monsters more evil than themselves.

[@noldo3837]

Statistically about least one tenth. So even among your classmates, colleagues, people on a bus are such people... victims, monsters... And by my observance - the more someone preaches about morality, sin, purity and so on, the less you want to see what is on his harddrive...

[@gowdsake7103]

More importantly, they get paid to churn children out

[@notsureiL]

And you never know what child or how many children in your own class or among friends suffered or suffers abuse :/

[@yep3489]

They don't really mention their other children who lived in that home and were brought up by these monsters. I saw a documentary about their surviving children, they spoke as adults in flat monotone voices and just seemed so damaged. It was sad.

[@hits_from_the_bong]

What's the documentary?

[@hkazu63]

I don’t think anyone is more pitiable than Anna Marie West. That woman wears all the pain and damage on her face and I can’t imagine that she can even sleep at night from the amount of horrific abuse she was put through.

[@angelaburroughs957]

To claim an accidental death on one person is one thing but it gets suspicious when it happens a few times .. that's not convincing lol 😂

[@Thundralight]

The depths of depravity a human can sink to is just mind boggling

[@jeanfrida2278]

This is deeply saddening. Killed their own child. Because she sounded like she'd sell out their secret. so sad. Depraved.

[@malheab508]

"25 CROMWELL STREET!!!"

[@nicruby17]

BHAAAHAAAA

[@lilmisspsychopathic6802]

My sister was in jail with Rose. She had to be escorted round the jail by two officers at all time . She was absolutely hated by everyone and still got attacked every time she was seen . Trust me she didn't have it easy by a long shot. She was absolutely tortured by everyone. Killing someone like that in jail gets you mega points . Everyone would scream at her and call her the kidy killer .

[@timsplanet2]

Sister in prison with Rose West. I bet you’re proud of your family!

[@lilmisspsychopathic6802]

@@timsplanet2 yeah me and me sister were in prison. I was 2 cells down from her . My sister is in for man slaughter . I was in for asult.

[@ragen4504]

GOOD!

[@ryzeup5654]

GOOD.

[@tommcdonald1000]

Not a pepper?

[@Bailemos888]

this teaches you to give children respect and a safe environment, otherwise they grow up messed up.

[@AaronSaltzer]

Poor Charmaine died just months after she was pictured with her sisters. 16 years later, Heather would suffer the same fate. At least they got to see each other again in heaven.

[@TheycallmeTANK01]

who ever knew that an animatronic puppet would sing a song about them in 2005

[@jumbolumps666]

What a grotesque tale. I wonder where it took place

[@SuperBonbon11]

Same 😂

[@12rwoody]

Hahaha

[@yvngjoint]

no where near 25 cromwell street, that's for certian.

[@LarryTheInternetRePoptard]

Totally not in england

[@usagitrouble1736]

Take a shot everytime they say "25 Cromwell Street"

[@alvishunter7403]

We have a saying in TEXAS. If you ride with an outlaw, you die with an outlaw.

[@patiencekrayee9101]

I hope i don't meet anyone who wants to take me out this world

[@SuperNovaSirius]

"The chance of them meeting was probably a million to one." she is not aware of how many people are abused and exude that vibe. It's the nr.1 reason of falling back into abusive relationships. It attracts a certain kind of person. Rather a chance of 6 in 10 would be more accurate.

[@ZFern9390]

Like in my family growing up in the 70s and 80s as my mom was the violent abuser, my dad was the gentle, vacant, by stander that would disappear because he didnt like to watch the abuse. Whats the difference?? these assholes hookup and do not protect their own children. My dad never protected me. He just as well be participating in her sick games.

[@MyRennae]

I was stunned when she said that. In my teenage years, I had many friends who confided in me that they had been abused by cousins, uncles, etc. It is so common but victims don't want to go to the police hence the ignorance of the general population about this issue.

[@ascent8487]

That’s true. But people fine with this disgusting behavior? I was abused and I’ve had a few toxic relationships. That’s not the same thing as two people happy to torture and murder finding each other, you know?

[@LightofAllah00]

The chance that 2 genetic, BORN, psychopaths(1% of the world population), both got abused by their family, just happend to live close to each other and fall in love in indeed 1 in a million.

[@squidwerdz]

I think she meant they were abused and also both capable and willing to murder

[@jeannineterese1037]

What a depraved couple! Poor little Charmaine😢

[@MindPalaceASMR]

Misery loves company! the fact that they found eachother like that is just mindboggling!

[@kaseysilva1986]

Folie au deux

[@cchoo111]

victims can become abusers but the victim has to want more for themselves and others in order to escape that disturbing cycle of abuse

[@luciac9123]

He could charm the birds off the tree?? Umm, I don't think so. Those birds would fly over him, crap on his face, and fly off!

[@xminusone1]

😂😂👌

[@takeittodehart1507]

👍

[@JesusLovesYouSoMuch1]

😭😭😭

[@lydiamartin5627]

this one is best so far of all. thank you

[@shannonigans2220]

He had to be pretty charming to get two wives and a lover. Younger Fred looks like a ventriloquist dummy.

[@glennhertel1165]

We are so sorry WE GOT CAUGHT.

[@mariakelly1059]

I remember that a few years ago when watching another documentary about Fred and Rosemary West, when WPC Hazel Savage started questioning Fred about Heather's whereabouts he actually said that Heather was fine and the reason why no one had seen or talked to her the past few years was because "Heather had moved to Bahrain to pursue a career as a drug dealer." You can't make this stuff up, folks (even when you wish you could).

[@EvelineUK]

I have just finished listening to the audiobook by their daughter Mae, and when Heather first disappeared they said she'd taken a job in another town. They would even pretend to talk to her on the phone. Later Fred came out with stories about drugs, and having left the country. All the while, she was out there in the garden.....

[@chazblitz]

Unbelievable how evil people always seem to find one another.

[@supportyourtroopsathletes6460]

It easily happens and no shocker how that works now of days. Back 50 years ago and before, I am sure people were scratching their heads on the same question but with all the human trafficking victims coming forth and other situations on documentaries, it's very easy to tell the modus operandi these criminals use too do this.

[@riverrainrunsfree2672]

David Parker Ray and Cindy Hendy

[@noldo3837]

Catholic church

[@MariaTorres-hc5uq]

One good thing: he did himself in, saving the tax payers some money. She is still "enjoying" Her Majesty's hospitality.

[@LPJMagicmusic]

I dont believe in religion or heaven or hell but damn it must feel good to believe that this creature will eventually live in a place like hell with eternal torment and torture...

[@louieberg2942]

@@LPJMagicmusic But as someone who does not believe in heaven or hell... he kinda escaped punishment. He's dead, he does not get to experience anything.

[@lambchop8671]

@@louieberg2942 heaven and hell are real, Jesus is the truth

[@Philotheist777]

@@lambchop8671 Jesus is a Greek name

[@noldo3837]

​@@lambchop8671 If you beleive in Angels and your Zombie Jesus risen from grave, do you also beleive in spooks under a bed,or Loch Ness monster, or those are absurd?

[@marcopolowithsleeves8052]

" Murdered they're own daughter ". Cringing of my seat bro. Those are monsters

[@moviemonster2083]

It seems we still can't recognize that the murderous monsters among us look like us and sometimes ARE us. We always want the stereotype of who we think a maniac is and what we think they look like.

[@writerconsidered]

Kind of ironic coming from someone named movie monster. We not only can't recognize human monster but as movies have shown us we are more comfortable with man made monsters that are not human at all but exhibit perfect human monster characteristics.

[@noldo3837]

Worst are the bible-armed cornhuskers from MidWest, who always say about how morally high thier little all-white cozy small town is, and that such thing dont happen in there...

[@yellowdayz1800]

I truly believe England harbors the most devious of all killers, for all times!

[@squidwerdz]

I dont know if its a coincidence but british cases are always the most disgusting and terrifying

[@pooddescrewch8718]

Belgium . See Mark Dutroux

[@caramelbilquees]

@@squidwerdz No America has many more worse cases it has a culture of serial killers

[@SinDesigns]

Austria. See Josef Fritzl.

[@northernstarr]

You should watch some earlier crimewatch UK episodes on yt then, cause some of those cases in the 80's and 90's were sinister af. I remember watching those back in the day, used to freak me out. There was one case the show did a reenactment of a girls murder and the murderer of that girl was so cocky, he played the actor in the reenactment too. So messed up

[@ryancoulter4797]

Where did Fred West’s brother(s) end up? I had a teacher in the 80s in Canada who looked uncannily close to Fred.

[@lynnledlow8004]

I pray the rest of the children got help, and pray they are able to see what their parents have done.

[@Philotheist777]

What does praying do, take action

[@lynnledlow8004]

Phill I hope action was taken. I so pray that they got help so they could deal with what their parents did! I pray they was able to try at least to live normal lives after the fact. That maybe they didn't turn out the product of what the parents did, like they was. His mother had sex with him, rape her child. And Rose was raped by her father, and look what happened. That is the prayer I have for them!

[@Philotheist777]

@@lynnledlow8004 In the Bible Moses gives his son a wife slave so have fun

[@hoodedk9955]

@@Philotheist777 bruh I'm not a believer in god either but you ain't gotta be a jackass about it. Let people live their lives however makes them comfortable

[@Philotheist777]

@@hoodedk9955 I mean it’s a fact in the Bible and since people can speak of their philosophy I can of mine.

[@hattivatti8440]

I'm honestly surprised that the wife in this case received any prison time, when so many wives tend to always only get a slap on the wrist when their husbands commit terrible crimes such as these. They always claim they don't know what their husbands were doing, even when said husbands perform horrible things right in front of them for years. Also, what the fuck was up with that "Fred lost his virginity to his mother" part? "Losing it" implies consent, but he was frigging raped! If you allow yourself to use the word "rape" with Rose "losing her virginity" to her father, then you should also use the same word with Fred and his mother. Rapists can be both men and women - or heck, neither, as in non-binary.

[@oliviahernandez9777]

"so many wives tend to only get a slap on the wrist" this is statistically VERY untrue and usually the opposite is true. women are more likely to get convicted when their husbands are accused of felonies (especially drug/gang related felonies, which is the bulk of felonies) then a 'slap on the wrist'; there are some really well known true crime cases where some women get away with their crimes but this is not the majority. keep in mind these stories are rare, and in reality women are over-convicted as accomplices. this mythology of women getting off easier simply because they are women is a lie perpetuated very intentionally but it is not true. please do research before making such a bold claim. misogyny exists in all spheres of public life, especially criminal convictions. this is especially true for women who are non-white, gender non-conforming, LGBT, immigrant, impoverished, disabled, addicts, have previous offenses, or mentally ill.

[@SirHorned19]

@@oliviahernandez9777 Its just not misogyny at all if its regarding being "non-white, gender non-conforming, LGBT, immigrant, impoverished, disabled, addicts, have previous offenses, or mentally ill".... You say to watch out for people intentionally perpetuating lies, but im afraid that they have already got their claws in you.

[@oliviahernandez9777]

i'm extremely not interested in continuing any kinda conversation with you no disrespect truly but i just gotta say what on earth is this comment suggesting like.. of course intersections of identity exist and produce nuanced experiences? that list of identifiers you quoted of me interact with womanhood to create a gendered experience. a lesbian woman might experience discrimination for betraying gender roles (women have sex with men) by also being lgbt; in this way the woman is not facing discrimination for just being a woman or just being LGBT, but the layered experience of having both identities and what that means. this is also true of men. men can experience gendered forms of racism, such as labels of aggressive sexuality in black men that sometimes insinuate sexual predatory behavior specific to black men. these ideas lead to the mythology that black men are more likely to be rapists than other races of men. this is an experience of oppression on the axis of race and gender. the exact same is true of women. idk this just seems very obvious and intuitive to understand so your comment is just baffling ahaha also indicative of such black and white thinking

[@SirHorned19]

@@oliviahernandez9777 "i'm extremely not interested in continuing any kinda conversation with you" Then dont respond lol... You must really be more broken than i first thought.

[@pfunkhuxley8004]

Your comment reminded me of Lenard lake's wife, as well as paul Bernardo's. Both were found involved with murders but got a slap on the wrist. As someone who has been incarcerated (nonviolent) and up and down the legal system here in IL my observation is at least here YES the justice system is much more kind and lenient to female offenders. For example We have 30 some state prisons yet only one is for women. At least as of 2015, I don't really pay attention to prison news.

[@Amp8321]

Rose seems like pure evil. I believe shes the one who killed heather. Ahe killed Fred's eldest daughter Charmaine. She was also very abusive to her kids.

[@hkazu63]

I absolutely believe that Rosemary West would’ve been a killer in her own right had she never met Fred. She even molested her younger brothers at 13 and scoured her daughter’s chest with a knife. She even had Fred scared during their marriage. It beggars belief that the wife may have been the more sadistic one compared to a man who murdered around 10 women.

[@gowdsake7103]

There is no such thing as evil that is the christian excuse

[@abbieroseholden4174]

What kind of so called parents abuse their children sexually, emotionally, physically etc? You're supposed to protect your children so sad 💔💔

[@gowdsake7103]

What kind of priest, celebrity or adult would ?

[@saraanaubree]

You guys keep leaving out Anne Marie. She was Rena and Fred's daughter

[@Perfectpearl]

5:48-6:06 It’s not complicated at all! Fred and Rose had 8 children together. Fred had a daughter by another woman. Rose had three (bi-racial) children by another man. The fact that those children are mixed race is irrelevant.

[@torismalls6290]

I mean I'm not sensitive to the statement but it did stand out to me that he said "adding roses three mixed-race children", but Fred's daughter was just referred to as freds daughter. Why didn't he say "and then you have to add Fred's white daughter?" 😂😂😂😂 yeah I guess I do sound sensitive..... nevermind🤦🏿

[@nyjoramay5978]

@@torismalls6290 we became too sensitive, the fact thr three children are biracial is just an epic fact. And the fact we notice the color is because we notice the color!Before heigh or dress or age or something else. Nothing to be offended for. All colors are great! Except being a green person, tough😀 till we get used to green peple!

[@misfitbrit1989]

It does get confusing with all the kids but a simple "Rose had 3 children not by Fred" would suffice.

[@EvelineUK]

Rose's 3 children were by her clients, and the fact they were black was seen as a big deal at the time. Fred was racist, but at the same time facinated by the black race, and wanted his wife to get pregnant this way. It's part of the perversion.

[@bonnpoop1822]

TRUE CRIME ALL THE TIME “TCAT” goes over there story so well!! They start with how they both were raised and I DONT WANNA SPOIL!! They’re on Spotify and so good!! 😭

[@nerrisamaripane4101]

Also @morbid true crime podcast mad as hell

[@northernstarr]

There has been lots of creepy killer couples but to me these are the very worst. These two were/are absolutely disgusting and Fred was a total coward. Apparently the only time Rose showed any emotion, was when someone set her cell and bird on fire or something. That former female gangster Linda Calvey, spoke about her time in prison with West and Hindley

[@juanitahuisentruit1989]

So sad, so many innocent lives taken. What strikes me in this case is the sexual abuse that these two killers suffered through as children ( not excusing their crimes ) . It just makes me wonder if the evil they were was created or all ready inside them. Every one processes life experiences different as most child sexual abuse victims don't go on to become evil but it really does something to them. The world needs to understand this and punish these predators harshley as they often do more damage than if they had just murdered them. Sexual crimes against children should punished with life imprisonment.

[@LukeSly91]

I agree. Unfortunately the powers at be are sympathetic to child sex abusers

[@Amp8321]

History's ugliest serial killers...

[@LeeXiaoMei]

I remember this unfolding on my tv screen when I was a teenager, and it horrified me

[@Tseringlhatso]

I think they used to videotape the rape and torture of their victims. I remember reading at the time that the owner of their local video store was approached by Fred, and asked if she would like to buy a snuff video from him. The woman (I think it was a woman) was totally creeped out and contacted a policewoman about the incident. It was never followed up. So sad.

[@bridgetgrant2776]

I wouldn't even walk on the pathway that was built after the house got demolished.

[@jamesr1703]

Looking at the photos, one wouldn't think that these two are depraved.

[@adrianagambina1713]

You speak in my language... sarcasm

[@diaryofarealmom3264]

Lol.... I pray that’s sarcasm.

[@pooddescrewch8718]

I must have seen this 4 times . I just canpt get over how mad these two were .

[@John_Doe657]

This is why you should expect the worse out of people before they have proven the opposite...

[@valsmith2156]

C’mon! She is as responsible as he is

[@mariakelly1059]

Well duh!

[@MiZzBee1]

So 5 of the children were taken away. Why not all of them then???!

[@CBeatty59]

Probably over 18 by then.

[@Babebubby]

It's sad knowing they didn't stand a chance from the beginning.

[@antonkider7360]

That does not justify what they did but you are right. Absolutely right.

[@gfaber2869]

i cannot stop staring at rose wig 😭

[@grf15]

I knew about Fred. Until I saw this program I did not know that Rose was as guilty. A terrible story.

[@Lb2Shay]

They were together and lived together. What do you think she was doing when he all this? In the rm having Bible study?

[@karmayt8956]

“Normal family” you need to attend some group therapy sessions and see how many people get abused by their parents.

[@mariakelly1059]

No I don't. Why on Earth would I go to a group therapy session with Fred and Rosemary West?

[@Tom-sm8fw]

@@mariakelly1059 I shouldn’t laugh at anything about this but this comment got me

[@Tom-sm8fw]

Unfortunately, a lot of people are abused. But I think we can pretty safely say that a parent being sexual towards their own child is not ‘a normal family’

[@Britton_Thompson]

I can only imagine the amount of cease and desist letters the studio has received from the real estate agency, irate at what this is doing to the property value of "25 Cromwell Street"

[@alisonfriedman5288]

The house was demolished

[@heatherstewart9300]

"TEN THOUSAND missing women, ...", ... OMG!!! How the hell can anyone dispute human/child/sex trafficking????!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@noldo3837]

Who is buying these sex slaves? The rich and super rich, the untouchables from the City, Tories... and ther Russian billionare mafians...

[@sammyj5369]

It’s sad that the serial killer’s parent failed them instead of being protection for their kids they are the reason their kids normalized this actions and became who they became. They truly lost all their humanity and innocence to their parents and became sadistic notorious killers. R.I.p to all their victims they deserved to live a long life.

[@mikemck4796]

Or maybe it was their parents fault. Or maybe their grandparents. Or maybe even their great grandparents! The blame game is silly. People are responsible for themselves.

[@sammyj5369]

@@mikemck4796 true but parents or those around them have a huge responsibility to teach a kid right from wrong and get them treatment if they need it but most serial killers had parents who were abusive, drunks, junkies and parents who didn’t care about them and made them go through hell or parents who don’t believe in mental health. Kids suck in all they see go around them they are not born blood thirsty kids are like sponges and suck in what they see around them. To kids who grew up in abusive household abuse is normal to them etc. Many serial killers could have been helped before they became who they became but their families and society drove them to a point where killing was their only way to feel happy or stress free. Some with mental illness will even black out and not remember what they have done killing to them becomes and addiction. We forget this people were once kids and they were put in horrible conditions with family who would glorify killings and shows children gore photos of deaths. Like no child should be put in a position where they have to see their parents beat each other’s or kill other people or abuse them or put their kids in the hands of abuse. No one is born blood thirsty that’s something that is taught and learned

[@sammyj5369]

@@mikemck4796 but yeah at some point they should know better but sadly most of this people who grow up in this conditions will become monsters and it’s sad to how horrible and emotionless some people can be. There are some serial killers tho who were born in happy household but still ended up killing now those are just disturbing to me like Ted bunch he said he had a good childhood but his need to be violent came when he started finding violent porn magazines

[@mikemck4796]

@@sammyj5369 I think it’s far more complicated than you’re giving credit. Killers are not simply people who haven’t been taught right from wrong. Virtually all serial killers are well aware killing is wrong. They’d be really easy to catch otherwise. Think of it this way. You have many desires that have been built over time. Some come as a result of your childhood while others were found later in life. You should be happy killing people wasn’t one of them.

[@emeraldqueen1994]

People don’t do what they (and their parents) did... MONSTERS DO!! Edit : their history may explain their behavior, but NOTHING should ever excuse it! Edit two : wouldn’t it be FOUR bodies in the back garden... counting the unborn baby?

[@colleta2400]

Nothing excuses it but acknowledge it and hopefully prevent it from happening again.

[@ginaperez8139]

You shld learn what NOT TO DO UNTO OTHERS THAT WAS DONE UNTO YOU AND NOT DO WHAT WAS DONE TO YOU UNTO OTHERS WE ALL HAVE CHOICES NO MATTER WHAT WAS DONE TO YOU CANNOT BLAME YOUR FAMILY OR ANYONE YOU'RE AN ADULT AND THERE IS ALWAYS THAT FORK IN THE ROAD YOU CAN GO RIGHT OR YOU CAN GO HORRIBLY LEFT THAT IS UP TO YOU AND YOUR BRAIN YOU ARE EITHER A GOOD CITIZEN AND TRY AND DO BETTER IN LIFE THAN WHAT WAS GIVEN TO YOU IT'S CALLED RIGHT AND WRONG DON'T BLAME NO1 ELSE FOR WHAT U DO BLAME YOUR OWN SICK SELF PERIOD.

[@colleta2400]

@@ginaperez8139 You wrap life in a tidy package your view is in Black and White that is a terrifying dark place to live. The human mind is far more complicated Gina and the impact of Trauma is not something you can put a bow on. Nobody is excusing this and nobody is giving free pass, however, in understanding and acknowledging the affects of childhood trauma (sexual, physical, verbal) correlate with statistics, studies, and research in criminology of victim to perpetrator is well established. Your choice of "Yelling" in texts is concerning Gina.

[@positivevibes-relax-repair8902]

@@colleta2400 They knew what they were doing wrong. They are disgusting beasts. They were victims until they began to victimize.

[@colleta2400]

@@positivevibes-relax-repair8902 Lovely wrapped package, however, more complicated then the simplistic layout you put forward. I never said they were incompetent, therefore, rendering them unfit for trial. I never said they were "excused" or as aforementioned incompetent that they did not know "right from wrong" however, if you believe a child enduring extreme sexual and physical abuses grow into "typical" personality traits then your lost in the woods. What I said was the psychological impact of such deviant and heinous abuses on a child impacts their psychological growth pattern rendering an inability to feel empathy towards others or develop healthy relationship patterns. To denounce this you are making a grievous and horrific statement on child abuse. To acknowledge it is what global movements to end this is striving for. You are aware Rose's father continued to see her until adult hood as a prostitute? you are aware in Fred's family there is confirmed acts of bestiality's? you have any educational background even on a remedial humanistic level of the impact this has on human development? very basic course on psychology/criminology? The mind is still and will always be unchartered in terms of navigating the effects: how some survive why some offend....some being majority of those that commit these heinous acts. Did they know right from wrong? Yes and no...did this legally excuse them? absolutely not. On a sociological/criminologist position what can we learn? Much....but first one must acknowledge there was a beginning so horrific and unimaginable that constructs the path. Do you always go on defense opposed to considering solutions or open doors to understand? your commentary shouts it as you apparently had difficulty comprehending my statement.

[@planetclay]

it's weird how many of these fiends have actual ties to government or those within government.

[@chrishandsome4267]

Makes you think huh.

[@Dirtbag-Hyena]

😆😂

[@MrSefiroh]

Not weird at all actually. Just revealing. Alot worse than you can imagine.

[@dowutado]

No it really isn't. People in government are just like everyone else. Pick a profession or group of people and you can start listing psychos who were in the group or profession. Some professiona like government are more public so you hear about it. These people are doctors and nurses who you wouldn't suspect and they are cops and military who people are more likely to suspect. It doesn't really matter these people can end up anywhere. They could be your neighbors.

[@MissVioletSage]

Many? Name a couple!

[@LondonNgo]

They were victims to begin with but didn’t get help, therefore. 🙏🙏🙏

[@elizabethsohler6516]

They're still victims, nobody helped them when they were too young to help themselves.

[@Diana-zm5fy]

That is no excuse, people you know nothing about are going through unimaginable pain every single day, but they do not go out and kill and molest children, what happened to them was sad, but imagine the people who lost their loved ones because of them, like I said, no excuse.

[@Diana-zm5fy]

Yes, there is something wrong with them psyhologicly, but you cannot tell me that when you feel pleasure hurting a child, a woman, raping her, killing her was done in madness. No, when you hide something you did and put on an act, you are and were sane enough to tell right from wrong, I'm so tired of people doing stuff like this, being looked at as victims, they were old enough to go seek help when they grew up, they could of done something, anything..I just can't, thats my opinion at the end of the day, don't mean to argue. Sorry for the random reply

[@noneyabusiness9441]

I bet that place is haunted even though the house is gone..such violence could leave upset spirits

[@la23s.a.22]

They definitely had inbetween 50-100 victims.

[@brittenyevans1101]

It always blows my mind when someone becomes a murderer. like you commit a crime, knowing there's a chance you will spend the rest of your life in prison. How does that even makes sense.

[@lisawalden6738]

My husband says that I have changed since becoming absorbed into all these type of shows and my reply; I have learned alot on how evil is hiding and what to look for, im in the know.....

[@mariakelly1059]

What a horrible thing to say to your spouse! Get rid of him!

[@rageowens]

Fred hanging himself just sours justice, he got away with murder

[@RaychelD2400]

He was a Coward

[@jannepetersen4660]

No he did not, his nightmare just began after his death, because evil people will go to hell forever, so he did not get away with murder, he just did not pay on earth......

[@louieberg2942]

@@jannepetersen4660 As an atheist, this is still not satisfying.

[@jannepetersen4660]

@@louieberg2942 Well I dont have anymore to say about the matter, and you are the only one to change what does not satisfy you......

[@aprilmiller5121]

What a horrendous story. Breaks my heart.😢

[@rizzo2934]

The 70s 80s are insane...Dahmer,Gacey,Ramirez, Manson,these are just guys in the US. No one ever mentions serial killers across the sea... fucking terrifying

[@ellieplanit]

Why does that one guy seem so disappointed that "you've gotta add Rose's 3 'mixed race' children" Like, okay sir....not sure why racial background should or should not qualify kids as someone's children...

[@AnnieFlorida]

I think the race may be mentioned to indicate those children were not their children together.

[@miraclefoster5134]

Agree I didn’t understand why he said it like that 😒

[@ascent8487]

I didn’t hear disappointment myself but it was odd. There was seemingly no practical reason to point out their “mixed race,” status. Why? Idk. Old British white guy? I guess?

[@ascent8487]

I wonder if something that would explain his comment was cut? Maybe Fred was biased against Roses biracial children but we didn’t hear that so there is just this oddly placed noting of their racial background.

[@catherinegreen7003]

Ellie Planit I had to search through the comments to see if anyone else had noticed this. I had to rewind this video a couple of times to try and figure out why the hell he had to mention them being mixed race. As for Annie K saying he mentioned it to say the children were his step children' I don't buy that 🐃💩 at all....