Fred Trump III: “I’m Concerned About This Coming Election. It’s Going To Get Very Nasty”

Fred Trump III is the nephew of former President Donald Trump and author of a new memoir about his family entitled “All In the Family: The Trumps and How We Got To Be This Way.” He says that he wrote the book in part to advocate for people with severe developmental disabilities like his adult son, William, but his story also offers some new - sometimes startling - anecdotes about his uncle over the years. He joins me to talk about it.
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[@andreaperry938]

Mary has every right to tell her story because it's hers. The same goes for Fred. He's not as good a communicator as Mary. We also have plenty of insight into Donald since we are aware.

[@freebirdseed]

Yeah, he was evasive of the first few questions and used the opportunity to malign Mary, directly implying that she doesn't know what she's talking about. Anybody with a brain can see that Mary *does* know *exactly* what she's talking about. This dude isn't a hero.

[@njosborne6152]

He’s a felonious malignant narcissist expressing itself in the abusing and exploitation of women, for power, wealth and indiscretions, of course‼️

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

​@@freebirdseed💯

[@JeffBostick222]

Sadly, Fred is just beginning to have real insight into his uncle and Donald Trump's behavior as described by Mary is spot on. Sometimes being too close to someone leads to myopathy.

[@teresabell2914]

Mary is a psychologist.

[@patriciabarlowirick]

I hope Fred is successful in improving the lot of the disabled.

[@ralphperry3576]

Better vote blue! We don’t hate and we like health care for all!

[@Irishgui83]

It shouldn't be down to Fred. It should be down to the American people and it starts at the voting booth.

[@LordDirus007]

I hope he gets get his own job and pay for his own son and stop expecting his Uncle to pay. Bum!

[@amberhastings5612]

I’m sorry but your sister is STILL very supportive of you, your wife & children regardless of your relationship with her. Your summation of her book is unfair.

[@SS-lj6dr]

He’s disgusting

[@angelapalmer6782]

I thought so too. He seems much more like Donald than Mary does that's for sure. To banter with a man who said such things about your father and your son.

[@jackiedavis5822]

100% agree. Mary has been blasting the air horn and waving the red flags from the very beginning. He just chose to not listen.

[@citizenoftheearth6]

they are still Trump family, don't forget that.

[@monikagriffin2747]

@@jackiedavis5822 I think he is afraid of the future if Trump would win a second term.

[@lynnebucher6537]

He is far too forgiving. I could not imagine ever speaking to someone again who told me I should just let my kid die because he was disabled and couldn't recognize me.

[@monav4062]

So, I take it, that you're against 'abortions' ?? Because abortions are killing thousands of perfectly normal babies every day !! I'm sure that you know of someone, a dear friend, who's had one or two -- "Are YOU still speaking to them??? Because they killed their baby !!" .

[@zackcawthon795]

poor dumb fred lol

[@jeannineflores3623]

Blessed are those who can forgive and continue to love. ❤ I can’t say that I have always been able to achieve it, but it is the most worthy and challenging goal. And I thank him for bringing attention to helping challenged individuals live quality lives. ❤❤ My brother is Downs and true to what Katie stated, I love him and would die for him, but it’s difficult to always keep up the pressure to get the care he deserves. Special people help make us all special people ❤.

[@IAMGiftbearer]

I agree. I think in some ways he is still fooled by Trump and hasn't fully grasped the reality that maybe he never was who he thought he was. I'm sure Adolf Hitler had moments when he could be nice too (when it benefitted him) but one should not be under any illusion that he was normal or kind deep down.

[@cheshirecat6518]

I've had 2 Republicans tell me my special needs grandson is a burden on society and they didn't want their taxes going towards his care in any way because it's my responsibility not theirs. I know for a fact they are not the only Republicans who feel that way.

[@simplythebest2574]

I devoted 29 years working with kids with disabilities & their families - Why? because I had been so inspired by my cousin with spastic quadriplegic cerebral palsy. It was knowing her and seeing her amazing presence as we grew up together that taught me what I needed to know about life, humans and diversity. Thanks Katie, for featuring Fred III and his son here. His dignity and your care made this a beautiful interview in spite of the horrific behavior of his uncle Donald.

[@dianedavidson3533]

I read Mary's book a few years ago and found it full of personal family stories that shed a lot of light. Fred is only 2 years older. I wondered why he said He had personal experiences with donny and Mary didn't. Strange. He shouldn't downplay Mary's book or input to the Trump story.

[@mariegeorge8865]

A few years ago, someone told me about his abusive alcoholic father. In talking about this father, his mother had been making excuses for him, talking about his going to work to support the family, having good health insurance for the family, etc. The son told her, "Just because someone is good 5% of the time, it does not make him a nice person." Fred needs to think about this. He seems afraid to see the reality.

[@meredithheath5272]

Agree.

[@amandabosca1714]

Trump doesn't relate well to women. They were boyhood friends. He probably did have more personal experiences.

[@amandabosca1714]

@@mariegeorge8865 He probably sees the reality very well but wants to retain a handful of good memories. He doesn't seem like a very confrontational person and just seeks peace in his tumultuous life. Writing this book and saying publicly he will vote for Kamala are probably huge steps for him.

[@sharonberry410]

Something about this guy I just don't feel good about. Trump treats him horribly and he still befriends him. Weird.

[@kimberlywpb]

Thank you, Fred, but be kind to your sister!

[@BillySBC]

Donald screwed his sister Mary out of inheritance, all Fred did was suck up to Donald his whole life. Fred has no integrity like his sister Mary has integrity.

[@judiruthmeredith6427]

Agree

[@SHARON.I]

Exactly

[@anneelisabethmorath531]

I totally agree. Dr. Mary Lea Trump is well known and admired for her courage here in Germany and Europe. Greetings from Munich/Germany 🌟🇩🇪🌟🇺🇸🌟

[@jburgett45]

I’m not surprised he wrote the book at this particular time. I believe Fred III was put up to writing it - funded by the Heritage Foundation- for a very hefty sum. Donald needed this to repair his image and regain points back in the Polls. The Heritage Foundation needed this book to save face and protect Project ‘25.

[@TheArcaneMaster]

It saddens me that this guy is so hypocritical about Mary's book. She had every right to publish it. Just bc it was inconvenient for him then doesn't mean it was wrong.

[@meredithheath5272]

Agree!!

[@joshmo141x]

I agree he doesn’t articulate well but if I’m being generous I think he was trying to say he had a problem with Mary’s book AT THE TIME but his feelings about it have changed (for self interested reasons? Maybe 🤷🏼‍♂️). No doubt he should have said outright that he realizes now she had every right to publish her story but either he didn’t articulate well or there are still hard feelings over it

[@Nana-gg5fk]

Fred I truly respect you coming forward now. As for your sister Mary I have high respect for her telling the truth, fighting the fight that was for your benefit also. She hasn't wavered and doesn't try to excuse any of the horrible effects your Uncle has caused for his entire life. Trump didn't change when he got in the White House (maybe to you) but listen to your own words.... how he treated your father, how he dealt with your son's condition from day one, stealing the inheritance that was suppose to be for you & Mary. Then let alone everyone along his way from his wives, his kids, employees, contractors, he screwed over anyone and everyone. Then cheating on taxes, insurance, LLCs to move money through, etc. He has been a very bad person all along. So maybe YOU had some positive interactions but what he did to Your Dad, Your Sister, Your Son alone would make most people never give him a chance to be in your life. I don't mean for this to be taken in a hateful way, but I think as long as you got things you wanted from him you pushed those evil things aside. (Actually makes me sad, especially when you said that if that devil got back in the White House you would go)😢😢😢😢😢😢 Again because that event would be more important to you than saying I will never be involved with someone so cruel. Believe me Family isn't always thicker than water. REALITY...TRUMP DOESN'T CARE ABOUT YOU, YOUR SON OR ANYONE ELSE BUT HIMSELF.....PERIOD

[@llm8268]

Spot on.

[@rickhensen3278]

I respect your lenghty thoughtful analysis(correct). I think Fred can't let go of his memory of good times & is a-hoping. No matter how mant times a snake sheds its skin, it still a snake.

[@texan903]

Fred tried to discredit Mary when she first wrote her book because he still wanted to cozy up to donald for favor. Now, because that hasn't happened, he decided to cash in. In the process, he is dismissing Mary to peddle his own project. I find Mary, with her professional training and education, to be far more credible in every way than her brother is.

[@poolmilethirty2859]

Not to mention the way he treated his first wife and cheated on all his wives.

[@victorialawhon2251]

Well said!!

[@creed1003]

I am so glad this person is finally describing his and his families struggles with a disability and how his uncle is cruel a..hole , however, he needs to support his sister Mary's platform she is not the family a...hole.

[@maryeryan2756]

I was brought to tears by this. What a wonderful man and a heartfelt story. Donald Trump is inhumane, and he was raised to be that way. Donalds brother rejected the cult of the family and he suffered for that. He was the scapegoat. Many people have this experience in toxic families, and it's extremely painful and heartbreaking. Fred is too nice about all this. But imagine having someone as aggressive as Donald in the family. It makes people afraid and it makes them step back and watch every word spoken to avoid the vicious retaliation. I'm praying for Fred and his family and for Mary Trump too .

[@mariegeorge8865]

Mary is tougher than Fred. She's willing to say, "F.U." to Trump; Fred is not.😔

[@maryeryan2756]

@@mariegeorge8865 True, but it is very hard to overcome family loyalty when there's so much power and money involved. I'm personally more like Mary Trump and I stood up to many family members, also in the public eye, and also involving a lot of money and power. It's extremely hard and takes nerves of steel. Trump is going to gaslight Fred severely now. I agree that Fred needs to learn how to put himself and his own integrity over the family. Writing this book is his first step. Endorsing Kamala and volunteering for her campaign is another step.

[@amandabosca1714]

@@mariegeorge8865 and that makes you happy. Fred is not Mary. Why do you have to compare? They are two different people and each has the right to be their authentic selves. Too many people judging here.

[@joshmo141x]

Agreed…almost hard to intellectually reconcile the fact that he shares DNA with the don

[@bridgetgardner1207]

"Trickle down cruelty" is an excellent description of what the MAGA movement is based on

[@darlenesnyder4083]

No it’s isn’t. Stop listening to the msm. You are so wrong.

[@aarenfourever]

I'm convinced...of what has been publicly presented of that family, Mary is the one with the brains.

[@freespirit7114]

Very good interview and I love that Fred is addressing the need for more adult programs for people over 21 with multiple challenges. Praying that this will help families who are in need of such programs and the very real need for funding .

[@wndrfullife]

Fred, you need to cut Donald off 100%, go gray rock. Or you will never, ever heal. Your hope, is holding you back, and hurting your family. Donald will never change. Mend your problems with Mary. There is where you both will find your joy again.

[@adarling4040]

Yes absurd you would even ever speak to him again

[@Nurjamila1]

Thank you Fred & bless your family🙏💙🌊🩵🌊

[@jaynefarrell7378]

Mary taped a very classy support of Fred’s story on her Network. Worth watching

[@mageetu]

Too bad Mary's brother couldn't have been equally supportive of her!

[@Argelius1]

I find this guy strangely unsettling. He seems deeply torn between family loyalty and willingness to see them for who they are/were.

[@user-di2on5gl2d]

I emphhatize with this guy because i'm in similar situation. Born & raised in a dysfunctional family. Never close with siblings though i had plenty, but always felt alone in younger days. All grown up now & love my independence. Wouldn't have it any other way! I'm a '"childless cat lady" and happy & peacful.❤

[@donniemoder1466]

His focus and priority is on his child who needs financial resources to stay alive. That is more his focus than skewing his uncle, so he is very measured in what he says and doesn't say.

[@ddivincenzo1194]

Well, if Trump was your relation and you differ on views, you would be as well.

[@silva7493]

True. As an outsider who has only observed his uncle through the(free) media he used to relentlessly pursue starting in the 1970s in his quest for fame, the Donald today is the same as I've always seen him to be. The only difference is that he has so much power nowadays. All of the same serious personality defects have been there all along.

[@conniewojahn6445]

If he sees them for who they really are, that's very hard to accept, would be for anyone. That is unsettling for anyone. You picked up on it. Other may have too. My answer is to pray for Fred, his son, wife, and others around him who support him, for God to give them strength and endurance. Join me?

[@KatieHiggins-hc1ph]

Would be nice if Fred Iii acknowledged the profound significance of his sister’s courage and commitment to our democracy when “outing” the Trump family dysfunction. Mary Trump provided a nuanced view based on her professional acumen - as a psychologist. Too bad Fred III is not embracing his sister, instead of promoting himself as the best intentioned “ crusader”-- narcissism runs deep in the Trump family. 🤔

[@debbieroberts2694]

Good point.

[@kathrynramsey4485]

I thought the same. But none of us can truly understand the dynamics of this unique, deeply flawed family. Fred III is walking a tightrope. His first priority, understandably, is his son's well being and care.

[@mray7503]

I think Fred was just stating the difference in viewpoints in his book vs Mary’s book. I believe even Mary mentioned that she didn’t really know the relationship that her brother Fred had with Donald.

[@KatieHiggins-hc1ph]

@@mray7503 so, then , why do you think FredIII didn’t want Mary to write / publish her book ? He says he feared it would have a negative impact on his son, then claims “ it did cause problems “ . What were those problems ? Was it that Uncle Donald would take out his outrage at Mary on FredIII; that Uncle Donald would stop all financial support for Fred’s son? So, then why would he not immediately add to his sister’s indictment of their Uncle with further even more dire evidence of DJT’s danger to our country ? My point is , FredIII missed the opportunity to expose “ the most dangerous president “ - in order to further cultivate the relationship he benefitted from - and still is not acknowledging how he, like so many past and current Trump supporters , pander to Trump for personal gain. I appreciate what he’s doing now -- with the exception of his not giving credit to his sister for opening the door to courageous disclosure of the truth for “ the greater good”.

[@necieden]

My same sentiments. Mary exposed DT and his craziness way before him.

[@denisewrona9708]

Fred, you and you wife have done such a great job loving your son. Please think about how you speak about your sister Mary. It seems to me that your uncle is the one that hurt you. Mary and you both were disinherited by him. Dont let him allow you to demonize your sister. Figure out a way to reestablish a way to speak abot her fairly. Your both victims of the same heartlessnesd.

[@mariegeorge8865]

And Mary's psychology background might help him, if he gave her a chance. Who knows how he's been affected his whole life by this dysfunctional family. Sad.

[@patriciaheflin4518]

Thank you, Katie. The story of how William was treated by Trump is heartbreaking, but the way he's talking about his sister Mary is disturbing. He needs to do better. And seeming to hold out hope trump could do the right thing is just delusional. Leaves me feeling unsettled.

[@SHARON.I]

He is delusional. I just said this. God someone is picking up on this.

[@donniemoder1466]

Don Trump will never do the right thing for Fred III. Even if Trump tries to do the right thing, he won't follow through. Trump is incapable of such acts. Trump reportedly maneuvered to cut Fred III and Mary out of their inheritance while being their Trustee, just despicable.

[@gabriellaspaeth2275]

I think forgiveness is over rated. I would never forgive a beast that treated my handicapped child the way Donald did to His nephews child.

[@judeblake2534]

It seems the only reason he brings up the subject of his sister, Mary, is because he is jealous of her. His cause would be more credible if he would just leave her out of his dialogue.

[@joedaniels1597]

Forgiveness is not for the one who wronged you. It's for you to let go of resentments and move on with your life. ​@@gabriellaspaeth2275

[@carlafinn8810]

Thank you Fred for writing the book. You have every right to share your life story, it's part of our history. Everyone has a story to tell.

[@Keepitkind7]

Mary has a psych background which I belive gives her insignt that Fred doesn't have. So maybe she's not as close, but certainly worthy to speak/write.

[@joythought]

Katie should have followed up with a question about how he sees Mary's book now in hindsight. Did he feel it was accurate? I am guessing that would have enabled him to express both how he thought it was accurate and that it was uncomfortable at the time: that it actually opened the door to him also telling his story. I imagine that with hindsight he is grateful to Mary, to what Mary's book achieved, and all the work Mary does today.

[@dylanmaxey2531]

Thank you Fred for allowing Katie interview you. The humanization of your uncle is necessary for everybody and listening to the warning you give.

[@NataliaGarcia-u3z]

May the Lord always be with you and your son, family. You're a wonderful father. God bless you.

[@johnquartieri5141]

We need someone this honest. THANK YOU

[@mark-xx1lt]

Fred seems to struggle a great deal between loyalty to family and the reality of his family. He doesn't seem to understand the amount of disfunction of his grandfather & uncle.

[@lorrainemcginnis6358]

I am glad he has told his story.

[@davidboreham]

1. Says Mary's book is all wrong because she never knew Donald. 2. Goes on to say the exact same things as Mary...

[@SS-lj6dr]

He is disgusting

[@JeffBostick222]

Yep

[@konradyearwood5845]

He is only two years older than Mary so I trust her recollections.

[@eric2500]

Useless rich man - well, almost useless. Maybe he can get through to other wealthy people.

[@janetlee4421]

I wish Fred could talk at the DNC. Tomorrow's the last day. This message needs to get out there, as much as possible. Thank you Katie and Fred the third. Mary's book was just as important. 💜😊

[@jhwatchlist6927]

You don't need to s**t-talk your sister to promote your book.

[@lesleyheller2271]

Very disappointed in his comments about his sister, Mary. He's subtly blaming her for Donald's cruelty towards his son. I had to stop watching shortly after he began because of this.

[@sarahdeesart9806]

First, I love Katie Couric for filming this without makeup. I am a woman and I don't like wearing makeup. It makes me so happy seeing a woman in media looking 'normal", just like a woman looks without spending an hour slathering products on her face. Second, I love Mary Trump and I am so proud of her for telling it like it is. I have been a long-time Mary listener. Mary does not use a lot of makeup either, which is really cool. I watched the video of Mary's reply to Fred's book. She was 100% supportive and she stands behind Fred and his book. She has had a real relationship with her brother and the two of them were robbed of their rightful inheritance by Donald and other evil Trumps. However each of them handled different aspects of their situation, the truth is that both of them were victims, like so many others, of Donald Trump. The honor the courage both of them had to stand up to this bully on the world stage. I love this video and watched it all the way through. It is wonderful to see honest journalism and to see someone sharing their truth. Not a lot of political soundbites, just honestly what happened to them. Great interview.

[@hartubmoses6645]

Would you not like Katie Couric or Mary Trump if they wore make up?

[@melanietaylor6681]

We saw him making fun of the reporter I just couldn't bełieve anybody could be sõ cruel. So we know it's true.

[@bsing2u]

Damn i didn't even know that was her.

[@cherzum]

Sorry, women look better with a dab of make up. The just rolled out of bed look is not that great.

[@judimeyers769]

I love Katie. Always have- I feel like I grew up with her! Her manner of interviewing and interaction is so unique, warm, relatable, thoughtful and respectful. This was a wonderful interview and gave me a totally new perspective of Trump’s nephew, and whole family actually.

[@christinescantlebury5455]

I love Mary , she’s so intelligent and intuitive . For some reason I couldn’t continue watching this, as one commented she feels unsettled . That was my feeling . I didn’t like it

[@sheilathomas8826]

Mary has been insightful in regards to Donald Trumps’ behavior.

[@mc-8022]

Im sorry but Mary is just as much of a relative as you are…she is only 2 years younger than you. You are gaslighting her experience as a family member in a very dishonorable way…

[@AvsFan32]

Katie you rock. Thanks to you Fred Trump. This takes a lot of courage.

[@CAStone-kq4md]

Wow Katie ! Nice to see you again , we needed real Journalists in this medium .

[@debbieroberts2694]

Katie is my all-time favorite journalist.

[@dyannnecat]

He knows Donald is a very bad man. He just has a really hard time saying so in a definitive way. Mary doesn't have that problem.

[@llc1976]

He is male Donald has a hard time being friends with women and treating them with respect. Also Mary is a lesbian another « other » category for Donald.

[@anntodd1233]

Exactly.

[@PageHawkeye2222]

I got the impression watching his head, as he kept looking like he didn’t want to condemn Trump as a family member, and I thought he really didn’t know how to react on this interview for some reason. But Mary always seems to stay on target about what she knows.

[@dorianchacko4038]

😅😅

[@workingmamma5342]

@@PageHawkeye2222 Typical of dysfunctional families. Fred thinks he should still be loyal to Dump, even as he sees the latter is abusive.

[@Barbara-gv2vw]

My guess is he feels like he has to be careful and protect himself so he is cautious with his words!

[@melissaverduin3693]

Fred is a good guy..like his father. NOT like his uncle! Thank you Fred...for caring about ALL disabled people!

[@tanyas6643]

Donald and Fred Sr didn’t think much of Fred Jr the pilot… not only because it wasn’t a job that made as much money as the real estate business… It also wasn’t a job that made you famous. And for people that are greedy and self absorbed attention seekers, that’s “underachieving.”

[@dianabehr3169]

Donald felt unloved by his harsh, unemotional father and was jealous of his brother

[@cathywithac]

When I heard Fred's first interview, my first thought was, "OMG! Donald supports post-birth abortion of people who make him feel uncomfortable! And proposing the practice in his own family."

[@silva7493]

Yep.

[@lynnebucher6537]

OMG I didn't correlate those two things, but you're right!!!

[@jessicamoore3143]

Right. I agree that Donald is nuts. He stated that the Democrats are abording babies right after their born! That is totally against the law. Not only that but it is insane! Very disturbing. He is not a true conservative republican. He uses the Republic for his own uses. Kamala and Biden are the real Presidential candidate material. I don't know what Trumpism is but it is not for the Republic or to make a more perfect Union. Dictatorship, or a King is not what our Forefathers had in mind. I know that!

[@LadyCapricorn8]

You are spot on.

[@cynthiakammann7368]

You said it just right.

[@Patrick-dn2cb]

Brilliant interview! Thank you Katie Couric, for your understanding and thank you, Fred Trump III, for your labour of love and solidarity. The line that sums it all up it: "... with the power that he has and the widespread attention, it would have been great if he could have just used it for the greater good instead of just tearing us apart..."

[@janeingram7331]

I Think Mary is the smarter of the siblings. How he could want his uncle's friendship is beyond me. His uncle took his inheritance, denigrated his son. Maybe Fred is a bit deaf and not hearing the devastating things his uncle says. Wait to his uncle starts mentioning his nephew at his rallies. Let's see how forgiving Fred is then. I think he's a phony and Mary is real

[@janicefredericks7505]

Anger and hatred is easier to whip up than compassion

[@cynthiakammann7368]

He didn't need to diss Mary's book to promote his own.

[@mariegeorge8865]

Mary did a terrific job on her post on KZbin regarding her point of view about Fred's book; she was very forceful but kind. I like her.

[@RG-hf4et]

He would know best.

[@JPCurtis-e8d]

He didn't. He said her book was told in a different angle than his.

[@angelapalmer6782]

​@@RG-hf4etWhy? Because he's a man? He seems a lot like Donald if you ask me.

[@CharleneWilliamson-h5o]

@@angelapalmer6782 Insecurity and meanness seem to run in Trump males.

[@jras68]

Enabler. Empathizer. He is selling his story for money to provide for his family. God bless. 🙏🏼

[@HalPlotkin]

Great interview, Ms. Couric! It's wonderful to see you practicing your craft again, asking smart questions and letting your subject respond fully. I look forward to watching more of your programming.

[@joshmo141x]

I have always pointed to that moment when he mocked the NYT reporter as "when it stopped being funny"

[@laurend3607]

Did you ever see that reporter? No you haven’t because if you had, he never moved his arms at all.

[@joshmo141x]

@@laurend3607 I have, I’m just saying if you remember 2015, there was once a (wonderful) time that he wasn’t a serious candidate. Back then it was still hateful garbage but it was funny in a morbid way. Mocking that reporter and continuing to lead in the pollswas my own personal moment of realizing that it wasn’t funny at all but was a very, very big problem

[@deborahrocks7530]

I have loved you since I moved to NYC in the 80's from Ireland. Was very sorry for you and your daughters when your husband passed. Great interview.

[@jaynefarrell7378]

Don’t understand comment about Mary not being around. She’s only 2-3 yrs younger. Hmm

[@lynnmarieanderson1744]

I’m not getting his book, I think we know more than enough from Mary Trump already.

[@sandywells3011]

Glad you are bravely speaking up the truth about Donald Trump and his lack of character

[@calidreamin2441]

Yep! Agreed! Sit down, buckle up, and brace for turbulence America! The next few months are likely to be tumultuous! 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

[@hannahem8604]

I grew up with my own two "Uncle Donalds" and growing up in my family was hell. Where there some good times? Yes, if you count individual hours and sometimes even half a day as "good times" - obviously only when those uncles weren't around. The adults arround me had already gotten used to their mysogyny, hate, spitting poison, touching every female person (children included) whether they liked it or not and expressed that, no one ever sued them for any of it etc. etc. Plus: one had a disabled son. That son had a "normal" brother. So, whenever he came to visit (after my aunt had divorced him), he expressedly stated he would only do so if he got to see only his "normal" son - he never went to see his disabled son (although they were brothers living with their mom under the same roof!). Now, explain that to the disabled son (who did notice and was hurt)! Men like Donald Trump suck at being human. I'm still looking for a word that truly fits them but haven't been able to come up with one. I just know that I never want to be anywhere near such a person ever again - even if that means cutting of people I generally like but who are in contact with such "beings".

[@christyann2268]

hannahem.... So glad you survived the "hell" and are here to tell about it! Two "Uncle Donalds"!!! Yikes!! I'm trying to assist you in coming up with a fitting description for them. So far, I'd suggest, inhumane. ?? Keep your chin up and let's put our very first woman President in our White House!! 👍😊💙💙

[@hannahem8604]

@@christyann2268 Thank you, Christyann. Let's do that! 💙💙💙

[@4estdweller4ever]

Heat seeking reptilian brain. Might not be a label but explains the inhumane nature. Sometimes animals in nature eat their own young.

[@bethanydee1920]

The Bible has a word for DJT. It's "beast".

[@thowl7065]

Fred needs to stop with the fond memories of his criminal uncle who is a danger to us all and apologize to Mary. Mary is his sister and they've both had to deal with the same sociopaths. His uncle took his inheritance but he still smiles about him and hopes for a future that includes him. Wow, just wow.

[@Ray-ud9bf]

God Bless You Fred. I know what it's like to take care of children with disabilities (now adults) and it can be hard. Keep up the good work that you are doing. God Bless you and your family. Hold onto your fond memories.

[@4estdweller4ever]

It takes maturity and insight to realize 2 people can have different experiences in the same family and realize both are legitimate viewpoints. But it sounds like when Mary wrote her book he saw it as a threat to his child bc he needed financial help from the family to care for him. Bad part is it makes him feel conflicted to stand up to a bully who trashed his father and went to the movies when his father was taking his last breath in a hospital. AND told him he should let his child die. Not sure what it would take for him to actually admit his uncle is a heat seeking reptile with zero redeemable qualities. I suspect he’s scared. I can understand that.

[@Liberal.Linda.]

💯🎯💯🎯💯🎯 I'm just a few minutes in, and thought it would be great with Katie starting off with that banger of a question, but after listening to Fred for ... however long it's been now, I don't think I'll be able to watch the whole thing. The Donald-apologist attitude is just too much to take. Mary's only two years younger than Fred, so he doesn't know that much more than her. She came out with a video yesterday backing up his version of events, and then he throws her under the bus to defend Donald. Nope. I get it - he's got a disabled son he needs money to care for. But if he were truly honest in interviews, his book would sell like hotcakes and he'd be set. I was going to buy it, but not now. I don't trust him after this.

[@Adele.N]

@@Liberal.Linda. 100 percent agree Linda!

[@robinantonio8870]

Yes, get off the fence and take a good hard look at Uncle Donald

[@TomThumb151515]

One thing isolating for parents of children with disabilities is that they don’t get included in conversations because people are so weak they can’t handle empathy

[@kayon5388]

I have known of trump from the 70's and I can't wait to read your book Fred III.

[@ruhafla8326]

I jut finished the book. I loved it. Very insightful. I listened to the audio version. Fred, you did a great job with narrating the book!

[@BoomerLoveforGenZ]

Mary already covered this familial territory and also from the perspective of someone with a Ph.D. In Psychology. Fred III was not supportive and still does not seem to be. He’s a little late to the party.

[@vickystafford4578]

Sounds like all his understanding & forgiveness is reserved for the narcissist DJT. Does he not have any left for Mary Trump who tragically lost her father and her inheritance?!!

[@ziziroberts8041]

Fred has a textbook case of cognitive dissonance. Clang, Clang. Don't let Donald anywhere near your son, Fred.

[@workingmamma5342]

Typical of dysfunctional families. Fred thinks he should still be loyal to Dump, even as he sees the latter is abusive.

[@tiffanyrussell6858]

Amen!

[@dnorcal1]

What a tough spot for him to be in...he seems like a really nice guy..poor guy had to be born into that family!! God Bless You Fred!!

[@precious5663]

I can't imagine being able to have a close relationship with Donald Trump. I don't believe Donald is capable of closeness.

[@JeffBostick222]

He's a drinking buddy who never buys a round. All laughs until he's asked to be thoughtful and generous.

[@sonjo2419]

Geat interview Katie. I'm constantly trying to understand Donald Trumps thinking. Fred had definitely opened my eyes to start understanding. Thank you both.

[@debmta8134]

My heart goes out to you and your family. William is blessed. Prayers for all of you.

[@yvonnefarrell1029]

As a parent of a kid who will need loads of help even after you pass away, frankly, that is such a mental burden in itself, the worry about them, the last thing you need is a family member who has the capacity to help but does not. Thanks for talking about this whether you are a Trump or not it is important to get it out there. God bless you.

[@piratessalyx7871]

May God help you and your family, its a tough world, and disabled feel the brunt of it!

[@MusicianDiva]

Thank you Fred for seeing family is everything. Mary is very courageous to write her book. It is her way of expressing herself Looking forward to reading your book. Hope family relationships can be better with grace.

[@WrenBelcher]

Thanks fred for being human, stay stronge. Keep compassion.

[@judithkidd1115]

Thank you for your courageous truth about your Uncle. And may William forever give you love and peace.

[@krispowers1657]

I found it difficult to empathize with him. I like Mary and have read her books and I often find myself going to Audible to purchase a book before an interview is even over. After seeing him on multiple platforms now he doesn't seem capable of writing an interesting book. I certainly hope he's able to help more kids and adults, like his son, but he praises truly horrendous family members that had zero time for him and his son.

[@andreleblanc7616]

To tell your nephew that his son is worthless is beyond words, I would never speak to him again if this was my uncle I would be ashamed of him forever but I do think that this is the true Donald. He does not care for anyone but himself. Narcissists do not have feelings for others.

[@garyelshaw]

I was struck and horrified by, "Are we done?". This insignificant gesture of a golf round as apology, and simultaneously soliciting legal actions would stop.

[@maryrowe506]

Thank you Katie. Thank you Fred.

[@sandyfranklin1123]

This an interview that should be widely distributed and heard by every potential voter in this country. I’m horrified and so very sad for this family and the shame of Donald Trump’s attitude.😢

[@Hope-w5l]

Everything Fred Trump III said we have already know, he just confirmed them. Thank you !

[@stellinarusich1617]

That’s enough to NEVER SPEAK TO DON AGAIN. End the relationship.

[@maryannwatkins7166]

Fred, don’t bash your sister. That’s acting like your uncle!

[@raveon4669]

Wow, even with his sister, there is dysfunction and trauma. This whole extended family is just a traumatic mess

[@danponitlong]

EXACTLY

[@theninjacat7200]

I don't agree the 'extended' family is a mess. Mary and Fred Jr are by far the most 'normal' in the family. They are not material individuals. They believe in family, taking care of family and being human. Everything in DJT's world revolves around money and women. Women are not valued, they are discarded and the money drives him. Very sad.

[@LadyCapricorn8]

And, no one seems to know how to end it.

[@4estdweller4ever]

We are all trying to survive our childhoods. If you had a loving family you’re probably good. But if while your brain is developing as a child you’re confronted with pain, trauma, insecurity, instability, confusion, fear, hostility and abandonment, life becomes a muddy hill to climb with nothing to grab onto. You have to bust your butt to dig your way out. Some are too broken to do so. You can’t build a sturdy house without a foundation. Childhood is the foundation. A child needs to be the sparkle in someone’s eye. If not, they can grow up being driven by fear and loneliness always sure someone is going to throw them away. Mary and Fred have had a lot to struggle with. Both deserve empathy.

[@mariegeorge8865]

​@4estdweller4ever ❤❤❤

[@deborahsobel3314]

Good for Fred creating more understanding for the disabled. As far as his uncle; shameful 😔.

[@freedomofreligion3248]

Being a great pilot takes an insane amount of sheer BALLS.

[@susanfrancis5471]

Pilots are very passionate about flying . My hub’s dad was one. I found some old flight logs from the 40’s while he was working for the Ministry of Defense, Kingdom of Egypt.. (I think they were helping Israel). Not up on my ancient history tho, and that side of the family are all gone. Fred II’s dad took his dream away. Such a damn shame I forget there are people with the name Trump that I don’t loathe. Mary and Fred III are both very likable people. I can’t shake the walking, talking White House-plus sh*t show that’s been going on for nearly 10 Years tho.

[@sarasherman]

I don't find writing a book about a public person to be unseemly. I feel bad for the guy as he has clearly struggled with being the victim of narcisstic behavior. I hope his book does well for him.

[@MusicianDiva]

You are a true good brother. We all need families. I too have difficult relationship with my sister and I still have hope ❤❤

[@Lark-t7v]

Katie, you are a great interviewer.

[@suen5006]

Just when I thought I couldn't like Dumpsterfire less, I was wrong. How can he be cordial to someone who suggests he just let his son die? How sick.

[@heatherdavis5445]

You settle it but did donnie ? Hes too vindictive be careful

[@melbanunez2733]

All narcissistic have one thing in common - people are furniture to Narcisist.

[@hartubmoses6645]

Perfect assessment!

[@junesecrist6719]

Hitler thought the same about the disabled and had them euthenized. If Trump ever got in total power, I would fear for them and myself. He doesn't have one drop of empathy, or compassion, qualities a good leader should have.

[@simplypositiveme]

I've seen you, Fred, on The View and I applaud you for speaking out.... as a woman... about Kamala Harris. Thank you.

[@anntodd1233]

Took him long enough! His sister has been saying stuff for years.

[@RICKY-zl8dg]

This interview made me cry.

[@carlamendez6590]

Trumps are pretty comfy throwing each other under the bus.

[@Bertina0401]

And trying to make money ... THE TRUMP FAMILY FIRST PRIORITY IN LIFE.

[@MossyMozart]

Some trumps have earned their place under that bus.

[@mexx8093]

Thank you Sir for sharing your story. Donald Trump is a narcissist, his lack of empathy to his closest family is totally dysfunctional and cruel. God bless you and your beloved family 🙏🏻

[@peterpiper487]

You don't know that yet you state it as thought it's true, leading many people astray who don't know Trump either. I know Trump personally from his actions BEFORE and after he was president and I can vouch for his generosity. Your heart would melt if you knew the truth. Yet here you are, saying things you don't know are true. Shame on you! If Trump were so bad I'm sure his own children would speak against him as well. But I KNOW Trump from past experience. That's why it doesn't surprise me to know that his children support him.

[@michellemonet4358]

He seems ro only like his kids if they look or act a certain way

[@Kurt1969]

@@peterpiper487 💯👍

[@catbb1000]

Sure you do , sure you can vouch for him. Who is actually speaking here? Is that you Eric. Your statement just screams phony. Of course his children aren't going to speak against him. They don't want to miss out on any inheritance.😂

[@catbb1000]

​@@peterpiper487 Troll alert. Copy and paste. Hope you are getting something for this phoney bologna.😅

[@gmfutube]

NO, your grandfather was a psychopath, PERIOD

[@meredithheath5272]

Exactly. And his son, Donald, learned his "lessons" quite well from his father, Fred: What a "family culture".

[@amybe3]

Everyone in the story has the right to say their story! 👀

[@msmacmac1000]

I don’t understand what Fred’s complaint with Mary is. I suspect it’s sibling rivalry? Mary certainly nailed the Orange monster’s cruelty, regardless of Fred’s belief that he had “ more access.” To the bad guy

[@4estdweller4ever]

Fred believed his son’s life would be jeopardized if Mary stirred up a hornet nest with a tell all book. Fred is a man who would throw himself in front of a train to protect his son. He is not a bad man. Mary has the advantage of an education that has given her more insight. Fred has been in the trenches trying to keep his son alive. He is coming out of a very dark place. He’s compromised himself trying to hang on to resources to help his son. It’s a dilemma. I really hope he can sort things out with his sister. She loves him and probably understands where he’s coming from. I doubt she would want people to dog pile on her brother. After all the hurt they’ve both been through it’s time to give each other some grace and be in each other’s corner.

[@msmacmac1000]

@@4estdweller4ever thank you. I respect both Mary and Fred.

[@jbt6007]

I thought Mary's book was extremely insightful.

[@sherrytaha9268]

Thank you Fred Trump III. Appreciate your candor, your advocacy for those with develoopmental disabilities and your warning.

[@NancyTrimble-z6c]

Trump was white, then suddenly turned orange….

[@great-garden-watch]

Hahaha yup he used to identify as white now suddenly because he wants to be elected, he’s orange. Its ok. Orange is the new black. He’s all set for Rikers or Sing Sing.

[@thomasroewer5673]

He turned himself into an Oompa Loompa

[@albertfinney1328]

You know the Orange Man appellation has been embraced by pro-Trumpers? US Treasury has been said to be painted Trump orange. The place is massive so I'd be surprised. Maybe lit in orange? It's the thought that counts. The US Treasury is defunct.

[@kittybluett8887]

Love it

[@MossyMozart]

@user-ki1ey2te71 - Excellent comment. I saw another good one recently that went: "She's Black. He's Orange. Vote Blue!"

[@adarling4040]

Peace and love to your family thank you for your story