Free Barabbas! - Beauty and Compromise at Notre Dame

[@followerofchristofthetrini1692]

Hunger for forgiveness brought me back into the Church. Blessed be Jesus. Blessed be His Most Holy Name.

[@greybone777]

The mortals the church or their statues can't forgive you. Only God through Jesus can

[@CadyAnBlack]

​@@greybone777 stick around, protestant. You might learn something. 😉🤗

[@CadyAnBlack]

Hunger for solemnity brought me in. The tridentine mass fills my whole heart to bursting. The first time I saw a novus ordo, I was so horrified by it that I ugly cried and turned to my friend and choked out, "There is no G-d here."

[@MrFoolingyu]

The fact remains that the Catholic religion has been irreparably compromised by satanic ritual, dress and "music" at the reopening ceremony of its flagship outside the Vatican. The world has witnessed a sinister takeover by the Cult of the Ugly.

[@56247]

@@greybone777 After his resurrection, Jesus breathed on his disciples and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained."

[@enidmorrison6103]

Thrilled by your comments, Dr. Ashenden! - from an American living in France since 1988, and received into the beautiful and endlessly brilliant Catholic Faith in 2021. God bless your work.

[@truecatholic1]

You aren't technically a part of the Catholic Church. Antipope Francis isn't the pope. See tcwblog.

[@thomasfolio7931]

There is an old quote from the late Msgr. Ronald Knox, who when asked why he baptized a baby using the Latin Ritual, when the baby did not understand Latin, replied, "No the baby does not, but the devil does." The focus must return to the Sacraments are actions of Christ Jesus and should reflect that we are submitting our wills to the Triune God. I was engaged in a conversation with group of priests several years back. One priest then in his 90s and I were the only two who had and did offer the Old Rites. One of the younger (50s) priests asked us, "You two are stuck in time, don't you believe that the New Mass is valid?" My older counterpart replied, "Theologically all the most essential elements of the Rite are present when the Missal of the New Mass is used, and I believe that our Lord is truly present at the New Mass, because he promised He would not abandon us. But I believe like the rest of us who know the old Mass, while He is present at the New Rites, He would rather be somewhere else."

[@Nicole-uq2ul]

Right, like McDonald's is a meal as such. I'll have it if I'm traveling and don't have the means to cook a meal myself, but it's quick and empty.

[@RockerfellerRothchild1776]

The original catholic mass was in Greek....😊 Catholic is after all a Greek word. Odd huh?

[@keenae]

Love from Ireland 🇮🇪.. three very smart Brits speaking wonderful catholic wisdom. God bless

[@Teneu-ym9yd]

Thank you for your commentary on the recent Notre Dame event. It is refreshing to listen to people who are historically knowledgable and rational in discussing the Catholic faith in contemporary times. Much appreciated.

[@susanparker767]

✨🙏🏼✨

[@maidoflorraine]

The re-opening of Notre Dame was a spectacle, a political gathering in a once sacred space. An desecration.

[@aWitness33]

Sadly I agree. I wonder if they even tried to re consecrate the church. That’s another thing we have that no other Christian church has. I’ve seen first hand what happens when land is desecrated that was once a sacred temple of Our Lord. People have no clue how late it is.

[@minui8758]

@@aWitness33it had never been deconsecrated tho

[@silverforest4682]

Dr. Abiden is Catholic. But trump is not really anything. Macron is Catholic, not sure of others.

[@silverforest4682]

​@aWitness33 it was never unconsecrated. They could reconsecrate, though , renewing the Spirit.

[@56247]

@@silverforest4682 Macron a Catholic? Think again!

[@iainfoxell8543]

I'm not a Catholic but the same applies across the church. Preach the gospel and do pastoral care. We are in a spiritual battle and Satan desires to keep the church weak. The leadership appears to be supporting him.

[@juliemcsweeney6434]

Traditional Catholicism is being trashed for all to see. Novus Ordo is not Catholic. Please convert to the Tridentine of 2000 years and help to stop the hemorrhaging. The converts of today, such as Dr. Taylor Marshall, are doing God’s work to a much greater degree than Cradle Catholics who have been brainwashed into Vatican II. ☘️

[@pippapearson3092]

I am Catholic and very profoundly you recognize The is being attacked and in a Spiritual Battle with Satan. Let me make this clear, not all Leaders are supporting the Pope. The majority of the people 95 % are not supporting this nonsense. We look to Jesus Christ to help us discern these extremely difficult issues. The hard Part is Pope Francis twists his words around. He will say one thing than do another. He needs to go.

[@rosburns9546]

The vestments went from those of courtiers of the king to the jesters of the king. Our job is not to worry about trappings but to keep focus, fully centered on Christ. Viva Cristo Rey. God bless.

[@valentinr.dominguez2892]

We need to worry, because it is an insult to God.

[@craigholly2596]

Ave Crux spes unica.

[@anneteller3128]

It's interesting, I read where vestments actually stemmed from the Roman's formal wear for men in the 16 th century and when Roman formal wear was modernized in the 17th century, the Roman Church said, "No, that's modernism, we will keep our formal wear vestments as they are." And, here they are still struggling with modernism. Only, I don't think all this back and forth is based in modernism this time as much is it may be based in politicism.

[@RobertodelaVega-t3w]

How can you focus on Christ when the Vestments look like Clown outfits. I thought the organist was either Drunk or had a Mental issue... Did he think Quasi Modo was still in the Bell Tower? An "Improvisation" is basically an Ego-Trip... He should have been told what to play, by the Arch Bishop. All those Modernist Elements should be thrown out with the Trash.

[@Free-flyBE]

well said!

[@Paul-talk]

Little churches all over France go unrepaired because the state wont fix them or allow local volunteers to do so. State ownership is problematic.

[@sharonscharff6878]

Little churches are important to local communities. I was raised in a small church. My Polish grandfather helped build our little St. Casimir's.

[@CadyAnBlack]

Dr Seuss is problematic; The state is just pure evil.

[@frankrusso6504]

The secular state in France has at least attempted to preserve its historic places of worship. Louis-Napoleon, DeGaulle, and other more contentious figures proved quite capable in this respect. The difference between secular patriots and those who espouse doctrinaire laicism is not insubstantial.

[@CadyAnBlack]

@frankrusso6504 🪿💨

[@CadyAnBlack]

@frankrusso6504 Frank, do you happen to know why my devastating dismissal of you, and all of my other greatest hits, are always missing from this channel? This boot-licking brown-nosing state-apologia comment of yours deserves the goose fart I initially awarded it. Seriously, why are you so eager to defend the murderous secular state? It's just weird and sad and unnerving to me. Please justify it.

[@dalecaldwell]

All in all, I can't but say that so many 'world leaders' being entertained by Our Lady in her 800-year-old house can only be a good thing, even if some of the new furniture is a bit tacky.

[@nildarodriguez3974]

It would have been better if the Popes had heeded our Lady of Fatima's message. The Church and world would not be in its sad state as it is today.

[@CadyAnBlack]

@@nildarodriguez3974 Just 4 years 6 months and 3 days until the centennial of this great apostasy. The cavalry is coming.

[@giselaperez6993]

Yes

[@CadyAnBlack]

@dalecaldwell Maybe not. I went to a novus ordo with a friend once. It was so vapid and political and unbarably ugly that I was so filled with wrath and despair that I turned to my friend with tears in my eyes and choked out, "there is no G-d here." This trash mass was even worse. The world just watched us whore ourselves out in our wedding dress. The best we can hope for is pity.

[@michellemcdermott2026]

The new altar is absolutely heartbreaking

[@normbabbitt4325]

I love your statement, Gavin, about LPP: "Love, Penance and Prayer." The only words that I can describe (very inadequately, mind you) my experience of listening you three, is "beautifully charmed" or "charmed by your beauty of love and devotion" that you so exquisitely express and portray. God Bless you all. Amen

[@56247]

I am reminded of the Divine Comedy which begins with, these lines: “Midway on the journey of our life I woke to find myself alone and lost in a dark wood having wandered from the straight path.” When will they wake up>??

[@traceyedson9652]

“They” will when “we” will.

[@56247]

@@traceyedson9652 Well America has appeared to wake up and stop the woke modernists though I doubt it will have any effect on Canada or France! We invoked God's help and He answered us- they invoke the state.

[@56247]

@@traceyedson9652 I doubt it; The majority of Americans woke up and saw we had strayed far and invoked God while people in Socialist states invoke the State!

[@56247]

@@traceyedson9652 Doubt it! The majority of Americans woke up and realized we had wandered far and invoked the aid of God; people in socialist countries wake up and invoke the state!

[@56247]

@traceyedson9652 Doubt it! The majority of Americans woke up and realized we had wandered far and invoked the aid of God; people in socialist countries wake up and invoke the state!

[@johnfisher247]

I don't know why the organist did not play works by those many French baroque composers for organ or even Medieval Church music.

[@ColinWrigley]

I agree. I thought a stray cat had got in and was jumping on the organ keys.

[@MaryG5787]

That was horrific music the organist played 😮

[@petera618]

I agree. I found the organ music very strange and intense. Poor choice considering the amazing traditional music we have in the church.

[@taraelizabethdensley9475]

Sounded like something from a horror movie

[@matthewstokes1608]

nonsense, it was powerful Olivier Messiaen territory - and he was a true Christian believer.

[@patriciazander2072]

Thank you for this...I so needed to hear this...

[@pop6997]

I was incredibly impressed that Our Lady of Paris opened up & that many risked their lives to save her. That is a sign of 'hope'. It is only tainted if we give up or are overly morose! Our Lady of Paris rose from the ashes & brought world leaders together 'today'. She is fighting & beautiful...and forgive me if I take a moment to appreciate the fact that even secular folk appreciate that Notre Dame is restored. She stands, and Thank God for her ❤

[@mishasumi6827]

It is a building. Without the authentic faith it is a waste.

[@pop6997]

The prayers of generations are in her walls & from a Catholic perspective they are the prayers of the Church triumphant! The saints of the streets of Paris long gone, but not forgot! The folk who built what we stand on today. Our Lady of Paris is not empty....she is full up to the brim, always was, always will be...

[@sharyondake4132]

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[@sharyondake4132]

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[@sharyondake4132]

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[@NR-cm2nw]

What they don't seem to realise is that people from all round the world queue for hours to see the exquisite beauty of art from centuries past, created for the praise and glory of God in the Holy Mass. No-one on Earth is going to venture inside to see clowns costumes, furniture like something brought in from Ikea, and modern stained glass windows. (I heard Macron refused to reinstate one of the rose windows NOT damaged by fire, but replace it with modern "crapulos'.

[@cecilefox9136]

This is outrageous,not to put back the original stained glass window!!!😮

[@uverpro3598]

I wanted to enjoy the ceremony but my Orthodox wife noted how the place looked unfinished and it was more about politics and ecumenism than consecration.

[@388Caroline]

Thank you all for this very interesting conversation 🙏

[@clareg845]

Thank you for this deep rooted faith you all have, based on truth and guided by the Holy Spirit. Happy Feast of the Immaculate Conception. France is so Blessed with many shrines

[@michaelalley3741]

Applauding at the end of each mass at my parish and I cringe every time.

[@anthonyhulse1248]

If the final blessing has been given it’s no longer the mass.

[@SandraHouston30]

The hunger of forgiveness - so poetically Gavin!

[@russbianchi8120]

Forgiveness of Cardinal Pell basterdizing the liturgical verbiage of the Mass, will have to be from a divine authority, not rational back pew Roman Catholics.

[@patriciarocco2610]

Investments could not even be described as modern. They were simplistic and garish. Peculiar.

[@crushtheserpent]

Colours on the Bishops vestments were exactly the same as the colours in the Order of the Eastern Star's logo

[@ColinWrigley]

I agree. Completely out of keeping with the historic surroundings so beautifully restored.

[@anthonyhulse1248]

@@crushtheserpentstop spreading disinformation and conspiracy theories.

[@koolertrek]

It’s a catholic holy place and should always have holy services.

[@beab5850]

Im not Catholic , but it is heartbreaking to me to see these turns in the church. Even I can find such hard to believe is being fostered and can see all this clownage is an abomination. Hopefully many who cant abide such ,will turn to the East rather than walk away completely and fall into the pits.

[@LambofGodKnock]

The Latin mass has saved my faith.

[@greybone777]

Do you understand Latin 🤔

[@CadyAnBlack]

​@@greybone777 Why? Do you believe that latin fluency is a prerequisite for full appreciation of the mass? Why?

[@CadyAnBlack]

Amen. I was an atheist before I saw the mass. It still drives me to tears every single time.

[@truthovercomes1273]

@@greybone777if you have a missal with English and Latin you learn to follow and pick up the Latin the more you follow. Also it’s a good idea as one gets older to learn a new language as helps keep the brain functioning as it stimulates neural pathways

[@LambofGodKnock]

@@greybone777 I use the missal, Latin one side, English on the other side. Very easy to follow. And we get to read what the priest is saying to God. So many beautiful prayers.

[@rushthezeppelin]

Okay I'm not the only person bothered by those vestments at the reopening. It looks like an Uno deck box, almost expecting the Bishop to throw a reverse card at me >

[@mta1]

The altar is also very bizarre.

[@donaldlippert6374]

I agree with Katherine that there must be an authentic return to Tradition, otherwise we will succumb to the dictatorship of the novel. (Have been reading a lot of Kwasniewski lately.)

[@ursulamarywhaley750]

I was concerned that there seemed a lack of a large crucifix . Just a big gold cross.

[@edwardbell9795]

It predates the rebuilding. It's part of a pieta sculpture, so Our Lord has been deposed from the cross.

[@NormanBjornson]

Yes your right I. Never saw the crucifix either . I wonder if the Catholic Church has much to do. Zelensky murdered priests and destroyed churches in Ukraine was there begging money

[@edwardbell9795]

It predates the reconstruction. The cross is part of a pieta, so Christ has been deposed and is in the arms of His Mother.

[@anthonyhulse1248]

@@NormanBjornsonRuzzian propaganda. No “priests” were murdered. Ruzzian nationalists were expelled.

[@anthonyhulse1248]

The cross is empty because underneath it mary is holding and grieving her son. It would look strange if Christ was on the cross at the same time.

[@outoforbit00]

The improvised organ playing was an aggressive scream, at one point it went into an atonal death, the killer of harmony. I couldn't help noticing the Archbishops confusion at what he was hearing. Regarding the vestments, I read somewhere that the designer was showing the reflections of light streaming through the cathedrals stain glass. Tbh I nearly cried when I heard the organ, as to my ears it sounded like a bad omen. On a more mundane level I wondered if an organ needed so many pipes, like what could go wrong. Anyway I'm not a musician so what would I know. Gavin I agree with you on your observations of the Bishop, I think he did come across as a holy man with calm and peaceful control of the whole event. Aside from the organ and perhaps even the vestments, it was a beautiful event, especially the Bishop and children's singing.

[@francoisvigour4224]

The music pieces on the organ and the vestments were disgusting well in keeping with Macron"s satanic nature and presence

[@seanpendulum5121]

Agree music was really gruesome...

[@DonalLeader]

I am currently in Paris but so far have not been able to get anywhere near Notre Dame. Both the Metro and street traffic was not allowed anywhere near the place. A bit of a disappointment for me. It was indeed a fortress. A friend and I are bringing an icon of Our Lady of Notre Dame to be blessed there hopefully in the next day or two once we can access the place. The Notre Dame we love still stands. The statue of the Christ Child is a miracle. During my years as a student here I often prayed before that statue. It was before this statue that so many famous Catholic writers were converted, including Paul Claudel and Bernanos. I spent two years here as a student at the ‘Catho’ otherwise known as the Institut Catholique, the preferred university for Catholic students.

[@jenyoung2473]

I agree the Notre Dame we love is still there. Christ is still there . Many of us attend Masses that are not as we would wish . However Christ is still there and 'they' cannot change that. At the moment anyway

[@francefradet2116]

The priest of my small unassuming church in Ondara sings the mass in Latin. I am a catechumen, baptised Roman Catholic but parents divorced and uprooted from Paris by South African non-Catholic mother. Notre Dame was our area. Now in Spain and Spain is proudly Marian and fighting the Vatican.

[@thomasmooney5653]

It's to drive faith out, not to "bring people in"

[@WilliamJohnson-js1kp]

The mad Phantom of the Opera organ playing was terrible, just racket. That and the disco ball censer, attached to a spring. The French seem to have a particular weakness for this sort of thing. Because?

[@catholicfemininity2126]

Yeah, it was so bad.

[@micheleruscansky8041]

Everyone listening had a very weird look on their faces. Probably thought it was terrible too.

[@ColinWrigley]

All the modern stuff was not in sync with the restored building.

[@pjmccabe5923]

And no bell was rang at consecratìn

[@lynncw9202]

Yes I thought I was the only one thinking that the organ playing was terrible! The organist looked like a child banging on the keys. Dreadful!

[@veronicarowe3960]

Faith is a gift ..

[@russbianchi8120]

VESTMENTS were atrocious, just short of rainbow flags walked by Cirque du Soliel

[@Allie-676]

Brilliant chat

[@tolkienlewis6887]

I love the passion in Gavin's words.

[@Mark3ABE]

…but not the swear words. It is possible to be expressive, without descending to vulgarity.

[@allanpelan1676]

@@Mark3ABEyes, that is disappointing.

[@edwardbell9795]

Messiaen is not horrible. His music is often deeply and profoundly Thomist - the Summa in sound, crying out "Ipsum esse subsistens" or, at times, gently unfolding the mystery of the Trinity, the Incarnation or the sacraments - but, I know, it's not to everyone's taste. Messiaen was a faithful, orthodox Catholic.

[@traceyedson9652]

He was very devout.

[@YSLRD]

Defend it if you must. The music was ugly. It was angry and discordant.

[@edwardbell9795]

My comment was directed to Dr Ashenden's sweeping dismissal of Messiaen rather than at the improvisation played by Olivier Latry. The latter may well have been the wrong choice for the occasion. I suspect he was "letting rip" after five years of silence. ​@YSLRD

[@crushtheserpent]

The colours of the Bishops vestments were exactly the same as the colours in the Order of the Eastern Star's logo

[@anthonyhulse1248]

BS.

[@crushtheserpent]

@@anthonyhulse1248 What's BS? Have you actually checked?

[@anthonyhulse1248]

@@crushtheserpentyour claim is BS.

[@crushtheserpent]

@@anthonyhulse1248 It was a factual statement. If you compare the two the colours are exactly the same. Perhaps you are color blind?

[@williammartinjr.3627]

Welcome to the Great Apostacy from So. Cal. USA. Thx for your work u-all

[@CadyAnBlack]

Just 1,648 days until our Lady of Fatima's terrible reckoning. Stay prayerful, friends. Justice is imminent.

[@nildarodriguez3974]

Praying for France.

[@MM-se6yp]

Thank you. It is a pleasure to listen to your analysis. What struck me about the opening was how small all these “powerful” people looked like against the majesty of God. Every knee shall bend even if they are against the faith. Christ has won the war, now it is just the final battles for the remaining souls

[@veronicarowe3960]

A lack of teaching is the problem with the church today..

[@jamiebussell2566]

That organ playing cracked me up ! 😂

[@severianmonk7394]

They could have had Couperin or Nivers and went for junk.

[@LUIS-ox1bv]

The sound track for Dr.Frankenstein's, mad realization; his man made monster.

[@frasersutherland1834]

CU return to form. Mark Lambert on top, top form. Great edition.

[@Knight-s2o]

I love a famous photo of priests in France performing a Latin Mass at an altar surrounded by the wreckage of WWII bombing . Another photo shows soldiers kneeling before a wrecked altar. The beauty of Christianity always needs to be seen against a backdrop of the ugliness and ruin of the world.

[@maryelisabeth7167]

There is a very famous picture of a priest offering the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass in the ruins of the old Coventry Cathedral, and the faithful kneeling amongst the rubble.

[@veronicarowe3960]

It comes back to a personal relationship with CHRIST❤

[@lynncuthbert2307]

Indeed. God dwells in us not a building. Religion is Politics..

[@kathleenprice662]

I was very fond of the "old" Notre Dame cathedral. I am glad that it was rebuild it BUT! I can't understand the fondness for the bathtub altars they seem to love so much.

[@LUIS-ox1bv]

You couldn't be fond of the, " old," Notre Dame, because you never saw it. Notre Dame has been repeatedly restored and redone, and bears little semblance to how it appeared during the Middle Ages. The interior was once sectioned off by Rood screens, which separated the laity in the nave, from the choir. They're were no pews. The interior featured colored statuary,painted murals. Today's bleached and sanitized, Notre Dame, is very much a different church.

[@davidmoore1370]

Great conversation.

[@frasersutherland1834]

Agreed. Catholic Unscripted has returned to top form.

[@seanjones1020]

Good talk team 👍🏼 God bless you all

[@eugene2596]

Dr. Ashenden I thank you for articulating for me the dis-ease I felt watching parts of the rededication vespers and mass at Notre Dame this weekend which were accompanied by much awe at the beauty of the music and architecture.

[@MsArethusa]

Both practically and metaphorically speaking, God is rebuilding our precious Catholic Church, which was gradually, insipidly lost to modernism and faithless practices, praise be Jesus in the most holy sacrament of the altar. 'Soul of Christ sanctify me, Body of Christ save me, Blood of Christ enebriate me, Water from the side of Christ wash me, Passion of Christ strengthen me, O Good Jesus hear me, within Thy Wounds hide me, suffer me not to be separated from Thee, from the immortal offender defend me, at the hour of my death call me, and let me come to Thee, to be ever with Thee, Amen'. They dressed Jesus in garish garments during His Scourging...the Church is being renewed through all these events, there is a huge renewal happening, under the surface, the people are waking from this nightmare... Thank you for broadcasting this wonderful channel.

[@Raymond-d2l7n]

Activists would need to remind themselves of Christ's words to Pilate: "My Kingdom is not of this world."

[@carmenwheatley5376]

Clown vestments? Surely they were meant to be Rainbow vestments?! Inevitably the Olympic debacle had to have a rerun somewhere.....

[@crushtheserpent]

Colors used are exactly the same as the colours in the Order of the Eastern Star's logo

[@anthonyhulse1248]

Rainbows have seven colours. These were the primary colours.

[@kbeetles]

@@anthonyhulse1248 ... and so hurray??!! Maybe you liked them, too???

[@luciadegroseille-noire8073]

Chesterton described Gothic as the only fighting architecture. See his piece on Lincoln.

[@barbarahallisy6013]

The vestments looked like gay clown outfits and the organist sounded like he was playing for a horror flick.

[@sharonscharff6878]

I agree.

[@LUIS-ox1bv]

You've encapsulated the current world we live in.

[@CadyAnBlack]

??? Gays famously have way more style than this garish hack slop. That's why queer eye for the straight guy exists. We're going to hell for our sins, friend, not our fashion choices. You guys are the tacky slovenly ones. 😉

[@janebaker966]

It was.

[@afterlate8866]

Vile vestments; beautiful music. The world as we know it with variables. Catherine, your comments here return us to the Truth, grounding and lifting us at one and the same time.

[@pallasathena1369]

Rolling on the floor howling with laughter at the faces of those attendees while old Florence Foster Jenkins aka the organist got at the keys...

[@Hope20249]

Very interesting. Thank you all.

[@katherinehales1074]

Gavin I was in Shrewsbury cathedral today and Canon Christopher and Father Sean suggested that the congregation kneel at the altar rail if we are able and take the host on the hand or tongue. This was suggested with slight trepidation but I felt that there was an almost audible sigh of relief from those present. Interesting! It seems we were all longing to go back to the traditional way

[@Mark3ABE]

No, not the “traditional” way at all. In the early Church, communion was received in the hand. Our Lord invited the Apostles to “take and eat”. Communion on the tongue is a recent innovation in the long history of the Church. It was introduced to limit the opportunity for the profanation of the host. The concept of some parts of a Christian’s body being “clean” and some “unclean” is fanciful. In any event, most people would not consider a to tongue to be cleaner than a hand. It is most unhygienic for the Priest’s hand to be constantly so close to all that saliva and exhaled breath. Of course if Our Lord had said to the Apostles: “stick out your tongues, and I shall put a bit of bread on them” then that would be a different matter.

[@RosieMcGee-u8v]

​@Mark3ABE you are mistaken...comm in the hand was stopped centuries ago by the early church due to abuses and people dropping hosts...the apostles holding the hosts were Bishops and priests not lay people...research it more to understand how abusive and or careless and or irreverent comm in the hand is..I have found over 20 hosts on the floor trodden on ...with mud etc during to irreverent comm in the hands where particles of Jesus go all over people's hands...it is not about hygiene...the early church stopped it to protect Jesus

[@thomasmooney5653]

Should the famous Churches and Cathedral's be returned by the state to the Church? What justification does the state give for it at this remove?

[@minui8758]

They’d say the churches are too important to cultural heritage to leave it to amateurs in the church - which frankly makes a lot of sense when you see medieval churches in the UK and how abused they are

[@mrbaker7443]

@@minui8758so you don’t appreciate fairgrounds and ice rinks in historic cathedrals? Get with the times! 😅

[@lisaevers3052]

The stark contrast between the grandeur of the original aspects of Notre Dame cathedral and the new modern additions (clown like vestments, altar, font, etc) shows clearly the fall of humanity during this sad “progressive liberal” adventure. Ave Maria! Ora pro nobis! Viva Cristo Rey!!!

[@christinereich6050]

The vestments were completely clown like.

[@NR-cm2nw]

Couldn't agree more

[@anthonyhulse1248]

Totally disagree.

[@VideaVice25]

As bad as it us it's not as bad as their original AWFUL plans. We dodged a huge bullet.

[@lisaevers3052]

@ agreed!

[@veronicarowe3960]

The children were so precious yes

[@ladycactus110]

Great analysis ! Subscribing 😊

[@veronicarowe3960]

Yes I saw the Holiness in the face of the archbishop too...a wonderful testimony

[@colettereed6198]

I'm really surprised they they refurbished it at all, but very happy that they did.

[@R.C.425]

So heartbreaking 😢

[@jbrian356]

The vestments and alter make me feel physically sick every time I see them. Your video is wonderful, thank you and God Bless.

[@russbianchi8120]

For those in the UK = MAKE THE TOWER BUSY AGAIN (smirk)

[@maryelisabeth7167]

😅 tempting !

[@anthonyhulse1248]

Catholics were martyred in the Tower.

[@stephengarratt5076]

Watched the EWTN broadcast of the Notre Dame Mass yesterday evening and then listened to your Catholic Unscripted KZbin in reference to this. I thought while watching the Catholic hierarchy in their almost rainbow coloured vestments of Joseph & the Technicolour Dream Coat! And as for that strange looking new altar, looked like something Obelix would have carried into the cathedral for that purpose!

[@cecilefox9136]

Ashenden has analysed this beautifully.❤

[@CadyAnBlack]

Almost. He still needs to learn that queer people hate this crap just as much as normal people do. We are not your enemy. The apostates are.

[@catholicunscripted]

There is no such thing as a ‘queer person’

[@CadyAnBlack]

@catholicunscripted We're begging you to go with us a mile, friends. I recommend you go with us two. But anything is better than this spitting in our faces. You three are too clever and too kind to be this obstinately obtuse.

[@maryelisabeth7167]

The alter and onion soup font could be replaced, as long as the infrastructure is in tact, along with anything else which is undignified and crass.

[@DrGAshenden]

Yes, that’s suddenly occurred to me as perhaps being why they accepted the price of them as compromise for keeping everything else intact

[@anthonyhulse1248]

It’s altar, not alter. If you’re going to complain about something at least get the spelling right.

[@RayWihak-nw3sv]

The ALTAR needs to be ALTERED

[@Eponagirl0810]

I wonder what St. Joan was thinking and feeling in heaven. The voices of the choir must have pleased her, but all else was no doubt reprehensible in her eyes. She is the heroine of Paris and should have been honored yesterday with her name and banner imho. PF = FP.

[@ransomcoates546]

There was one I assume hold-out bishop at the Mass who was not wearing the gay-clown chasuble, but a beautiful cope, decorated in blue.

[@anthonyhulse1248]

He was from a different rite.

[@itinerantpatriot1196]

"Our whole education tends to fix our minds on this world...Most people, if they had really learned to look into their own hearts would know that they do want, and want acutely, something that cannot be had in this world. There are all sorts of things in this world that offer to give it to you, but they never quite keep their promise. Aim at Heaven, and you will get Earth thrown in. Aim at Earth, and you will get neither.” ― C.S. Lewis

[@SabinePalmer-n5j]

The garments offended my sensibilities and I am glad that you made a point of it. Actually one day the whole so called modernism will be ridiculed. As you pointed out it makes Artists out of non-artists.

[@johnfisher247]

The event reminded me of the movie "Monsieur Hulot's Playtime".

[@Maronite2]

Thank you all for your reflectiions on the Notre Dame re-opening mass. I watched from here in the US where it was 3:45 am. Like you, I was shocked by the outrageous vestments. Your analogy to MS Windows is perfect). The organ "awakening" began with such interesting notes but after a few minutes, it had turned in cacophony. It was so bad that I had to pause the video. That might well qualify as an eternal form of punishment where one would have to listen to it ... forever. As for the copper altar, this is yet one more insult to a loving God. The altar is the central and most integral part of our liturgy; it represents Christ. II'm comfident that, like me, you have seen some beautifully caved marble altars truly befitting a place of honor. In my heart, I spologized to our Lord for their crude selection. But .... where was the CRUCIFIX? According to the GIRM, there is to be a cross with a corpus, on or near the altar and visible to EVERYONE. The only "crucifix" I saw was that small metal one with what may have been an emaciated Christ burned onto the surface on one side. Did I miss it? The progressive members of the church, diminish any artifact connected with our Lord. No crucifix, no stations of the cross and I'm guessing that whatever monstrance they have obtained for the "new" Notre Dame, will be small in size and dull in color. So glad I found your channel.

[@stevensonrf]

Ditch the clown vestments! And Make Notre Dame Great Again!

[@TheProsaicCult]

imagine the cost of vesting all those priests, bishops and arch-bishops and Cardinal Dolan in those halloween costumes. I almost could have mistaken it for a drag show.

[@severianmonk7394]

Furniture eventually wears out and can be quietly replaced. No permanent harm done.

[@clivejames5058]

King William - Gavin?!

[@moniquehuchet3646]

I am listening wishing I didn’t know about the UK Catholic assessment of what for me had been a return into a church after 15 years away from worship. I am 87 years old living in an English speaking country for most of my life, I am deeply grateful for a chance to follow in French and Latin I even appreciated Macron’s participation and recognition of all those who contributed as it was for the first bâtisseurs de cathédrales. I agree with your comments on the altar and vestments. I just saw that the Cologne Cathedral renovated with the same shaped altar. In my days involved in liturgy I learned that the altar symbol was either table for meal or table for sacrifice, when we designed our mission altar we opted for the meal. I was glad to meet the archbishop, Macron showed emotion so I do not share your opinion of him.

[@cynthiagonzalez658]

I'm curious as to the rainbow 🌈 colors of the robe worn by that French bishop...

[@anthonyhulse1248]

Rainbows have seven colours. The vestments had four. The description you’re looking for is primary colours.

[@russbianchi8120]

Go Woke, Go Broke

[@susanarojo3906]

We usted to have a Rosary with green, blue, yellow, red and white, for ea h mistery, representing ea h continent, was the missionariy Rosary, si we would Pray for the Missions all over the world, today would seem discriminatory, maybe, but I hope that was the meaning of the colores of the vestements.

[@maryelisabeth7167]

What's at stake ? The salvation of souls ! Re. The last four things. Pray for one another.

[@stufen11]

"Three euchristic monsters", gotta love it.

[@imeldataaffe433]

Oh Stop all the whining. It's beautifully restored. Our Lady Queen of Heaven and Earth , pray for us. 🙏☘️

[@Harold-fe2cz]

I love these girls and guys, but I love the Gothic, have been to numerous cathedrals as destinations, and I think you're on to something. Regarding the altar, it is actually classically elegant. Yes, spare. (Possibly even Cistercian in reaction to Cluny.) A pagan altar? Is the Church frozen at 1250? One need not be an antiquarian to be a Catholic. No one does baroque any more, and it was the Counter-Reformation style, and used for many a bacchanalia. And, as I said, I love the Gothic. Personally, I do find the asymmetrical vestments jarring and possibly suggestive. And I agree that the strafing of the churches has been horrid. God bless. Harold Stanford California USA

[@00leaveralone]

I wanted it to be said: Thank you for the delightful and intelligent talk and you all provided important insight that I don’t believe the greater world has a chance to hear very often. I am grateful to have my faith in Jesus. God keep you all in His peace.

[@allanmatch6858]

At 12.15 the organ plays Genesis, the Archbishop announces that the organ is the instrument of “entonne la louange de Dieu notre créateur, notre Père” so it is not a cacophony but the birth of the world. The ceremony is not political but what was shocking was a President who entered like the King just after the Archbishop, who made his speech in the cathedral when the King himself would not have done so. For the rest, all French people appreciated his speech which paid tribute to the 2000 craftsmen with exceptional talents and to the firefighters who saved the building. The furniture was not shocking. It has changed over time as various buried medieval elements have been found that had been removed during the Renaissance and in the 18th century by fashion. In addition, the new altar is reminiscent of Noah's ark or the stone of Abraham's sacrifice, so nothing shocking for the French who find great harmony in the balance of the inverted ridge of the cathedral's vaults, prefiguring God on earth, in the person of Jesus. This aesthetic has its foundation in the baptistery which is its primordial image, the baptism which will lead to communion. The new altar includes five pieces of relics of saints that the priests will have consecrated on Sunday with holy chrism and the five incenses representing the five wounds of Christ. This mass was extraordinary and grandiose.

[@anthonyhulse1248]

Excellent summary 👍🏻

[@kristinehaugen2305]

I heard that they had several experts design the vestments. One of them was Lady Gaga.

[@crushtheserpent]

The colours on the Bishops vestments were exactly the same as the colours in the Order of the Eastern Star's logo

[@maryelisabeth7167]

😅

[@mta1]

No it was FR designer Jean-Charles de Castelbajac but we all agree very bad idea.

[@sharonscharff6878]

Now I understand why the vestments looked like that!

[@anthonyhulse1248]

Did anyone see the beautiful mass and consecration of Notre Dame Cathedral? Dozens of bishops, many many priests, and the regular people of the parish. President Macron and his wife were present, and while Macron didn’t go up to receive communion his wife did, very reverentially and prayerfully. The organ, the chapels, the Ambo and the altar were each blessed. The archbishop covered the altar in the oil of chrism and incensed and blessed the altar. But no, many people only bothered to comment on the opening of the cathedral and not the mass reconsecrating it. Go watch the video. It’s worth it.

[@britt-nicolepeterson2375]

Thank you for saying this. I felt the same way, appreciated more the mass conesecrating the altar than the spectacle on Saturday.

[@kbeetles]

Sorry Anthony - form and meaning must be in harmony with each other - otherwise you have something monstrous.

[@mta1]

@@britt-nicolepeterson2375 Most Catholic French were a bit troubled and felt some strange vibes... Like this was Macron's coronation.

[@anthonyhulse1248]

@@kbeetlesso you didn’t watch the mass…

[@winall9]

The worst ridiculous utter ghastly looking vestments. The 4 colours looked like a kindergarten playschool outfit. This is Rome's fault for outlawing the TLM giving birth to this clown show. And pray that black round monstrosity that they call an altar, so ugly looking. Pope Saint Pius X would have gone into a coma seeing the antics of these bishops

[@edh.9584]

Love those flowers.

[@paperclip612]

I note Bergoglio refused to attend, thank God, and after listening to Gavin's account of the opening ceremony I now realise why - it was far too Catholic for a novus ordo proponent.

[@anthonyhulse1248]

Who is bergoglio?

[@TP-om8of]

@@anthonyhulse1248Who isn’t?

[@anthonyhulse1248]

@@TP-om8ofare you you’re own pope? If so you are Protestant

[@anthonyhulse1248]

@@TP-om8ofyou “isn’t”

[@NR-cm2nw]

Bishops these days act like the Pope's Jesters, seems fitting that they now dress like one.

[@followerofchristofthetrini1692]

American here…No one does beauty the way the English do-from architecture to vestments to music to ceremony.

[@anthonyhulse1248]

Except the French, the Italians, the Germans.

[@butterflybeatles]

All borrowed (and, in the case of buildings, stolen) from the Catholics.

[@lynncw9202]

I was surprised at the priests' vestments. Very strange colours! Why?

[@bonniehamilton2147]

It was so politicized.....I was disgusted.

[@francescaderimini2931]

Holy Brompton Oratory restored this American Catholics Faith ❤

[@RosieMcGee-u8v]

I love the Oratory and the one in Bham too!!

[@russbianchi8120]

Holy bells, but many bats lurk in the bellfry.