FREE SPEECH ON YOUTUBE | Is It Hypocritical To Remove Comments?

[@HilltheSpill]

I agree that you get to determine what's acceptable speech in your own "home". If the company doesn't like your rules, they don't have to visit again.

[@RondaBeisner]

I agree with what you said. Very well said. If people hate you, they should not come to your house. If you want to remove their comments or block them, that is fine you are the channel creator. I don't see how people can be so negative.

[@CozyLivingMachine]

Great point, there are definitely a few folks that I have no idea why they watch the videos. I guess some people love misery if my videos and ideas are that bad! 😂

[@psybirdstudio]

This is YOUR channel, Joel, and you are free to choose your topics and foster (even moderate) the comments that align with your vision for the channel. If that means hiding users, especially those whose views are misaligned and contradict your creative outlet, then that's perfectly fine. At the same time, anyone reading these comments can create their own channel to share their opinions, even if those opinions that conflict with Joel!

[@CozyLivingMachine]

Thanks!

[@dominikb9202]

Can only disagree. You dont hide users "just" because they disagree with your views when you produce content that is openly available for viewing. This is your home but also not your home. You are sitting in an open view tent without a door to close. This does not include people who are hostile/rude or swear in every 2nd sentence. Always a good choice to maintain basic human decency.

[@Cyberdactyl]

I am shadow banned regularly in KZbin comments. I notice 95% of the time it happens when I reply to another comment. What's weird is I'll get a reply. . . then. . . when I go to the thread, my comment is gone. So my comment was visible for some period.

[@CozyLivingMachine]

The interesting thing there is that there is a strange glitch that I've noticed that sometimes I will go to reply to a comment and then it airs out and it's gone, but the person actually states they never removed their own comment. Other times I will refresh multiple times and see their comments come and go however, for your instance, it might just be that the comment is either held for a review for some reason or it was just removed altogether. I suspect that there's actually a review process that KZbin has separate from what us creators can see on our side. If it's being helpful review and it's no sort of offensive comment you might find that if you bookmark that video and return in another day it will be there after the person reviews it. Just guessing though!

[@steveegbert3554]

Agree 🙂 You know you are doing great when someone makes the hate Joel Channel.

[@CozyLivingMachine]

HA. I'm amazed it hasn't happened yet 🤣

[@jeromehebert3184]

I agree with what you said it seems to make sense to me.

[@dirtyburd71]

Benevolent dictator. In fact, it's perfectly fine to remove comments that you want. It is your platform and you are well within your rights to monitor what is said here. If you have someone in your home or on your property that you don't want to hear, they may be removed by you. If you are not allowed to do so, their rights supercede yours.

[@CozyLivingMachine]

hahaha I've been called worse than benevolent dictator! 😂 I do completely agree, and of course it's not something I use often, but there are just many accounts that have nothing positive to add and why keep that crap around? I fully expected if I leave a nasty comment on someone else's video I won't be invited back and I may be blocked. That won't keep me from making a video if I so choose though!

[@dirtyburd71]

@CozyLivingMachine BTW, it was the great Rush Limbaugh that coined the phrase "benevolent dictator" speaking of himself on his show 😉

[@CozyLivingMachine]

🤣

[@ReneeAlonzo-t8s]

I enjoy your channel. I don't usually comment or read them and don't always agree with you. On this topic I agree 100%, your house your rules. FYI for the haters...When most Content creators go "LIVE" they have Moderators to keep the trolls and nasty comments at bay. So no you're not being a hypocrite, there's a way to disagree and then there's just being rude and nasty both are unnecessary!

[@CozyLivingMachine]

That's an excellent point as well. Things get pretty damn wild without moderators in live chats especially!

[@donniecole3472]

I almost never go to Rumble, KZbin sends me a better mix.

[@CozyLivingMachine]

I agree. I found that nobody was actually watching our videos on Rumble, so I stopped uploading there. I like the idea that I have a nice backup as KZbin has actually removed a video of mine recently, and it's a great reminder of how silly policies could remove what I've worked very hard for years on with the press of a button on their side.

[@GoldenTrumpet24]

When it comes to deleting comments, I see that as being similar to ignoring someone whose trying to start a fight with you in public. About KZbin, it's NOT a private company. It's a publicly traded company, since it's owned by Google. The upcoming Presidential administration need to discuss if social media and content creation platforms, like KZbin, is really allowed to censor. They do violate section 230, by acting as both a publisher and platform.

[@CozyLivingMachine]

I love that subject. Section 230 really is an important one, because if they want to enjoy the projections these companies can no longer censor though this would also affect how the government is able to manipulate its citizens as well. That's such a great debate to be had, and I look forward to seeing what is found ultimately because it will have serious effects on free speech as we know today. It's interesting because I had to look into that and it appears that KZbin itself is not publicly traded, but it's parent company is. I'm not sure how that affects things legally speaking, but it appears that they still enjoy the same protections as any other private company. Just from my cursory research though. I completely agree, I also see it as simply trying to ignore someone who's trying to start a fight with another person - me in this case.

[@BrianAz]

Yep, a slippery slope! Without being having the chance to examine the kinds of comments you delete or block, I can only say that it's all about the context. For example, I have seen many examples of public meetings, like schoolboard meetings, where people come up and get a chance at the mic to give their opinion on an issue. They can speak strongly against something but as soon as they start cursing out the board members then they are stopped, warned, and often arrested because they refuse to stop using foul language. I think there is a common sense understanding of what speech is and what plain old fighting words or insults are. I too believe in freedom of speech but if you come in my house and use a racial slur or be an insulting to anyone, your ass is getting thrown out and you can say what you want on the sidewalk. So can you draw the line if you are marching or protesting against something out in a public square? Does the freedom of speech allow you to use racial slurs or curse in public? I know that the term "hate speech" has become quite vogue. Do I not have the right to hate things and people and policy and protest it in public using slurs and all without being arrested? I am not here to promote it, just adding to the endless questions about this controversial subject. I know that there have been folks in the U.K. arrested for giving their opinions against the Arabs on Facebook! Really? Just like some liberals who preach freedom of speech but only if it agrees with their opinion and I am sure the liberals would claim the same against conservatives. Anyway, my view is that it's just like you say. This is your house, you make the rules when it comes to how you conduct yourself. It does not sound like you band or delete opposing opinions, just nasty and rude comments. I'm down with that for sure.

[@CozyLivingMachine]

Bingo. That's exaxtly how I see it. And I could go on a whole rant about "hate speech" and the nonsense of which that encompasses but I won't. And for deleting comments, it's usually moreso that I would fully hide or block someone and every comment they've left is removed as well. Unless it's a spoiler, I will just delete those individually 😂

[@lynnepollack7991]

For this video. I agree. I don't remember if I said this before so sorry if it's a repeat. Now, I would like to thank you for the tour and review of the Aliner pop up camper. People should be aware that it is small and a pop up. But better than a tent. Tent camping is harder for me at 60 with a knee replacement and I live in South FL. HOT most of the year. AC a must or you are limited to approx. 2 months of camping during the school year. SLP in the public schools. With work it's about a month of short weekend trips. Summer is my big vacation time. HOT HOT 🥵 I also live in a townhome HOA. Confirmed by the board if It can fit in in my tiny garage/laundry area and close the door I can have it. Most people here have small boats or Jet Ski's. I am going to the Tampa RV super show in January. I hope to see and maybe be able to put up the Ranger/Scout 10 which will just fit with the trailer-hitch at 13 ft. total. If my measurements are correct I have 14 feet in length to work with. 7ft 6inches of garage door width. Height is not an issue (pop up). When I retire and move, (no HOA) I am closely looking at the NuCamp Tab 400. The one that can have bunks so my son or friends can come and not be in the tent.

[@CozyLivingMachine]

I think what we're getting next may also make your very short list. Stay tuned!!

[@KlipschHead281]

100% well stated.

[@CozyLivingMachine]

Thanks!!

[@Aaackermann]

Opinion =/= Insult Simple. People (especially in the US) mix this up a lot and therefore are just rude to each other, disguising their insults as "opinion". It is not.

[@The_VagabondZ_Jim_N_Amy]

Great video Joel.

[@CozyLivingMachine]

Appreciate it! 😎

[@frishter]

The problem with the "private platform" debate is that these platforms are highly influential. It's fine to say that people are allowed their own space, but if you're literally shaping society to your will then I think people should be given more freedom. In theory you can create your own alternative platform, but not really. People go to the same few online spaces and they are essentially the new town square. I've noticed that here and many other places my speech is highly regulated in ways that are just too controlling in ways that lack transparency. It is my opinion that this creates polarisation and leads people to become more extreme. I also think it's important to note that things are becoming more inauthentic in the online space. How can it not when authenticity is punished?

[@khatdubell]

The private platform debate is a red herring. There is freedom of speech. And there is the 1st amendment. People like to conflate the two. You can support the 1a, AND support private platforms blocking/banning/censoring. You CANNOT support freedom of speech and private platforms blocking/banning/censoring. (obviously with the caveat of illegal material) People either purposefully conflate the two, to confuse the argument. Or they are ignorant of the difference between the two. I personally believe its much more of the former.

[@CozyLivingMachine]

I appreciate this perspective because I've actually gone back and forth on this idea. As someone with more libertarian ideals, I believe in a free, open market where people can do whatever they please. And if KZbin, Facebook, Instagram, Rumble, Reddit, etc. are the most popular, then so be it - that's what the people want. But the reason I use KZbin, for example, is because I don't like the other platforms and I happen to like the tools and what KZbin has to offer me. If there was a better service out there, I'll hop on board! In fact, I've enjoyed Rumble as well. But just because someone uses a single space or private platform more than others doesn't make it any less private, just as a mall is no less private due to its popularity. I do completely agree about the lack of transparency, and would add on the obvious manipulation used by governments and other organizations that are effectively manipulating us with each click and view. I don't think websites have ever been about authenticity (hold for the original intentions of DARPA, perhaps) but it's more and more wild on the world wide web, that's for sure!

[@CozyLivingMachine]

You make an interesting point about conflating the two and I actually showed that that's what I frequently do. As someone who believes more in private property rights than most, I suspect, it's important to me that a private company or platform has full control over their service, just as a homeowner would have full control over their home. I believe in freedom of speech on public property and public forums, though of course, an online service where a private company is spending significant amounts of funds (or any funds at all, for that matter) each month to keep it going, I believe that they should have every right to control what is said and done on their platform and they can delegate the rights to select users as necessary. I also believe that in support of free speech, "illegal material" would simply be generated speech and thus should not be illegal whatsoever. The creation or the acts done in order to create the recording of the speech would be illegal, but the dissemination of the information would not. Perhaps as a simplistic point of view, but the logic seems reasonable to me in terms of true freedom of speech. It's an interesting topic!

[@shawnblankenship-2527]

Arrogant hateful Rudeness isn’t authenticity. Miserable people make people miserable. And they’re not entitled to someone else’s audience, or anything for that matter.

[@frishter]

@@shawnblankenship-2527 The thing is that right now we're letting those miserable people control social discourse. Everything they disagree with is "hate" that should be suppressed, but they will often say much worse stuff. There is little accountability to the 2 tier system that exists. It's fine to say that a creator gets control over their own audience, but there's platform wide restrictions that are not fairly enforced and instead enforced in a very subjective way. You mention rudeness, and I agree that people should be more respectful. However I have noticed that corporations take criticism as a sign of rudeness or hate and I don't really agree that they should really get to suppress opinions that aren't financially advantageous. Then there's the political sphere which is its own minefield where it's getting increasingly hard for both to exist in the same space.

[@AriaThereYet]

From a sematics perspective, everyone is entitled to free speech. Even if they are wrong! 😂 "Real Men Create Freedom". ✌️ 🇺🇸 🚌 👕 👕 🎁 🎄

[@CozyLivingMachine]

Agreed! And I'll fight for peoples' right to be morons, even if they don't appreciate it. 🤣

[@shawnblankenship-2527]

On your own platform NOT someone else’s.

[@johnstangel8918]

Joel, disrespect is disrespect, no matter how you slice it. If people want to disagree, that's one thing, but just being downright rude, well, guess what they don't need to be heard on your platform. I've been watching your channel for about 2 years, and I don't always agree with your take on things, so rather than get into a pissing contest and embarrass myself, I just change the channel but that doesn't mean I don't like you or Emma or the channel it just means for that space in time I am not jiving with your thoughts.

[@stevelange819]

I see no reason you should allow or be required to pass on negativity, in all its forms, nor outright falsehoods or misrepresentations on your channel. And if something ruffles my feathers (a couple do, but that's me and my upbringing) then I accept I'm not you AND FORTUNATE for you, you're not me and in the big picture its not worth mentioning. Generally when such a situation arose at work and I was asked to give a reply, I'd just replied "Thumper" and leave it at that. And if they were making a business decision at the table that I strongly sensed would go wrong, I'd reply "Muleskinner". Those that knew me sometimes would snicker as they were aware of what I meant, and they felt the same or would clarify with me later.

[@CozyLivingMachine]

What do those phrases mean?!

[@RamblinRoadies]

Yeah, for awhile there, the government thought they could ignore the 1st Amendment. That mistake led to actually creating more venues for the free exchange of ideas. And their downfall.

[@CozyLivingMachine]

Bingo! I could talk for a long time about that topic as well, and frankly I'm grateful for the competition and the market that it has created to circumvent manipulation and censorship. No one is surprised by the fact that they've been manipulating the media and online platforms for years, but most people have no clue how far Operation Mockingbird goes.

[@MeaghanCoyle-p6k]

WTH

[@CozyLivingMachine]

Did I miss something in the video, did it not make sense?

[@shawnblankenship-2527]

“WTH” did you not understand? Did you intend to come here to be rude? Because that’s how this sounds. Which makes you seem like part of the problem.

[@shawnblankenship-2527]

Trolls are GREAT for comment & view traffic, though. Which means revenue. Think about that trolls. Even if he doesn’t block you - which he should - he’ll make money off you anyway so either way YOU LOSE. Congratulations on a very public display of idiocy.

[@CozyLivingMachine]

🤣 Very true!!